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AT&T Fuze screens, softkeys peeling off!!!!!!!!

I am extremely disappointed in the quality of my AT&T Fuze quality. The clear plastic laminate covering the soft keys at the bottom of the phone is starting to peel off after only 2 months at the HOME and BACK button corners.
This resulted in a razor sharp edge to protrude from the phone at the Home button. My wife went to answer a call and when she pulled the phone up to her face it resulted in a very deep slash to her right cheek. I was surprised on how badly my phone cut my wife. We couldn't get the bleeding to stop as it put a deep cut into the side of her face. I called AT&T and informed them of what happened and requested that they replace the phone but they say this issue is not covered under warranty. The idiot on the phone implied that I must have dropped the phone. The request to talk to his superior got me little results.
FYI...even with the $5/mo. insurance AT&T tried to tell me that I would have to pay a $125 deductible for a replacement unit. You cannot SuperGlue these corners back down without risking also gluing down the soft keys or I would have tried to fix the phone myself. I even threatened to take the 30 lines my company has with AT&T wireless (we average $150/mo per line) back to Verizon Wireless if they did not replace my phone and still they could care less.
My next move was to call HTC America this morning but they too were of no help. I was transfered to some product specialist who claimed they had no record of such an issue. So I am stuck with a very expensive phone that is falling apart.
Since AT&T was so rude and unhelpful I am taking all 30 of my employee's lines plus those of my family back to Verizon and it will be the last HTC product I buy. High performance phones but dare you have any problem I learned the hard way that AT&T nor HTC are willing to stand behind their product. I hear that the Samsung Omnia is supposed to be a great smartphone and I've had good luck with Samsung products. The Omnia lacks the VGA screen but boasts a 5MP camera...at this point I'll take if over an overpriced HTC product that begins to fail soon after purchase! I also remember how Verizon was almost always too willing to replace a quirky smartphone every time I had an issue.
I have to believe that others must be having the same defective issue with their Touch/Touch Pro/Fuze screen or soft keys peeling off. If so we need to gang up on HTC to do the right thing and replace these phones!!!

ummmm.... The "soft keys" are the virtual buttons on the screen at the bottom. The HARD KEYS are the Home and Back, etc.
I could see them warping from sun/heat, water/sweat exposure and possibly a glue failure where the edges roll/lift up.
I expect half your issue is dealing with the wrong people the wrong way. Regardless of how/why the laminate is rolling up, there should be a repair kit at some level to replace that panel... (I doubt that you could do so without disassembling the phone) HTC OEMs the phone to AT&T/Sprint/Verizon and it is AT&T/sprint/etc's responsibility... not HTC.
Call their support line and immediately ask to speak to their supervisor, get their name if they do not do so, hang up and call again until you get transferred. Explain that you have something to the effect of manufacturer's flaw and you want a REPLACEMENT or REPAIR on your relatively new phone as the way it is now it is potentially safety issue.
Arguing with the $7.00 phone reps accomplishes nothing...

more megapixels mean better!!!!

I remember dealing with customers like this at Best Buy when i worked in the Geek Squad (not a pleasant era of my life). They come in hooting and hollering off the bat and no one wants to help them. I was willing to fight for the customer %99 of the time, but when your in my face and start the conversation with "first things first" you get no where.
Try being nice to the rep, charm can get you along way. Threats get you no where in most cases. Otherwise you become that guy who is talked about later on "hey remember that jack ass this morning? yeah he though he could get what ever he wants with that big vein popping out of his head. Classic! Ha Ha"

steeler560 said:
I am extremely disappointed in the quality of my AT&T Fuze quality. The clear plastic laminate covering the soft keys at the bottom of the phone is starting to peel off after only 2 months at the HOME and BACK button corners.
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It would be nice to see some pictures. The Dpad section looks to be one solid piece of plastic, so i'm curious as to how it actually separates.
sp00nix said:
I remember dealing with customers like this at Best Buy when i worked in the Geek Squad (not a pleasant era of my life). They come in hooting and hollering off the bat and no one wants to help them. I was willing to fight for the customer %99 of the time, but when your in my face and start the conversation with "first things first" you get no where.
Try being nice to the rep, charm can get you along way. Threats get you no where in most cases. Otherwise you become that guy who is talked about later on "hey remember that jack ass this morning? yeah he though he could get what ever he wants with that big vein popping out of his head. Classic! Ha Ha"
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Being unkind is unattractive, period. However, it's not the customer's responsibility to make you feel warm, fuzzy, and respected. When you work in customer service you're being paid money in exchange for turning angry people into not-angry people. You have to use your people skills and stop feeling so entitled. (From someone who's worked many years in customer service).

i kinda miss worded my self, i would try and work things out regardless of the attitude of the customer. I am VERY tolerant when it comes to people and i have been commented by co-workers on how well i handle things. When people become stubborn and don't listen to what you have to say is when things become difficult. If your nice i'll put a good word in to management to have a rule or two bent in your favor. I'm not saying if you act like an ass i will not help you at all, i just wont be going that extra mile.
Example, iPods. I would deal with dozens of ipods a week (and i mean 4 dozen on a good week). Some times they would be fully covered under warranty, and some times not. If it looks like your dropped it the warranty is void. Now if its not working, but has a minor dent like it was dropped, and they claim it worked post damage, then i may be able to pull a string or two to help you out. If i say it might not be covered and steam shoots out your ears and you throw it at me, well, i will tell you to leave. Telling me you will never shop at a best buy again has no effect on me. That just means i have one less jerk to deal with. I worked in one of the busiest stores in the are, and being so close to Philly and some other not so nice areas i had to deal with allot of scum bags.
What i am trying to say, be nice. It helps. What i am not saying is that i will dismiss your case if your mean or inconsiderate. If some one comes in and brightens my day, i will try and return the favor.

kgbeezr1 said:
It would be nice to see some pictures. The Dpad section looks to be one solid piece of plastic, so i'm curious as to how it actually separates.
I have heard about the button area rubbing on the corner of the screen and causing the laminate to come up, particular on the corner of the home key. Therese a few threads in here about that. That whole pad i believe is held in with some 2 sided tape and i think some got out with a crooked pad.
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I just hope your wife is fine now. I would second what Radimus said in the second post in this thread. Keep calling and try to reach a supervisor, who, most of the times, will understand your problem. What I have learned from speaking to AT&T reps is, that each one is different. Some are really willing to help, while others just doing the job because they have to. If the supervisor does not help, ask how you can formally lodge a complaint or file a report about your issue.
Something worth noticing is that the sales rep make notes - maybe not always, but they do - about what the customer called about and what was the result. So, deal with them in a way that would make things fall on your side in the future. I can certainly understand how frustrated you would be.

This is wired, because I thought I was the only one who's phne that happen to. I was trying to figure out what I did wrong. But now since this came up, I know it is the ATT Fuze phone this is happeing to. Maybe if some how we keep telling them they will figure it is there fault. I take very good of my phone, so I know it is next from heavy use. PLus just like you, I had it for ONLY a couple of months.

sp00nix said:
I remember dealing with customers like this at Best Buy when i worked in the Geek Squad (not a pleasant era of my life). They come in hooting and hollering off the bat and no one wants to help them. I was willing to fight for the customer %99 of the time, but when your in my face and start the conversation with "first things first" you get no where.
Try being nice to the rep, charm can get you along way. Threats get you no where in most cases. Otherwise you become that guy who is talked about later on "hey remember that jack ass this morning? yeah he though he could get what ever he wants with that big vein popping out of his head. Classic! Ha Ha"
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Perhaps the problem with AT&T customer care is that they think just like you. Nowhere did I say I was "hooting and hollering off the bat..." I was calm and courteous that was until 1) the jackass giggled when I told him that my wife was slashed by the phone 2) I learned the representative accused me of dropping the phone and made a note on my account that I said the phone was dropped. This phone was never dropped and not once did it come up in our call so why make a note on my account that the phone was dropped? I'll tell you a lazy service rep that took the easy way out . By the time he transfer me to a manager it was no use...she immediately noticed in my account notes that the rep noted that I had dropped the phone when I never did! I think in my case I had every reason to be upset.
UPDATE: I did get AT&T to replace the Fuze but it was only when the local AT&T store called in and said that the phone was not holding it's charge. Now, the scary part. The representative on the phone who works in the warranty department asked to speak to me and said that they were shipping out a replacement Fuze. IF they find anything on the phone that they consider "physical damage" I will automatically be billed $499 on my AT&T Wireless account with no chance for refund or opportunity to dispute.
The replacement phone has not showed up yet, but I am almost tempted to send it right back in fear that I will get charged $499 for this laminate issue. How do I know that they won't call the issue "physical damage?"
I never had these issues with Verizon and am thinking about shipping the phone right back, sell my Fuze on eBay for whatever I can get for it and run back to AT&T. I also politely called and e-mailed HTC America (for those here that assume every customer has anger issues.) No reply to my e-mail or voicemail despite sharing with them photos of my wife's injury.

extensive said:
more megapixels mean better!!!!
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NO it doesn't but if AT&T won't take care of the problem I'll switch back to Verizon and the Omina has better specs than the Verizon version of the Touch Pro...

The only thing that irks me more than people who hoot and holler is people who threaten, "If I don't get my way, I'll just switch to..." Do you actually think companies care? For every customer they lose, there are another 10 on the fence they can just convince to buy their product/sign up for their service.

BBowermaster said:
The only thing that irks me more than people who hoot and holler is people who threaten, "If I don't get my way, I'll just switch to..." Do you actually think companies care? For every customer they lose, there are another 10 on the fence they can just convince to buy their product/sign up for their service.
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The only thing that irks me more than people who hoot and holler is people who don't read a thread before replying. I never hooted or hollered at anyone, though I had every right to do so. I never "threatened" anyone at AT&T or mention pulling our phones...I know they don't care if my company leaves AT&T or they would have taken care of the issue. I just stated what my intentions were since AT&T and HTC refused to help.
Hmmm...do you work at AT&T as a Customer Care rep? Did you work Saturday afternoon? Are you that rude agent I had to work with? Darnell Walker, is that you????????

To help steer this conversation in a slightly more productive direction;
got any pictures of the damage in question? i'd just like a reference for the future if it starts popping up on my end.

Da_G said:
To help steer this conversation in a slightly more productive direction;
got any pictures of the damage in question? i'd just like a reference for the future if it starts popping up on my end.
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I will be sure to get you a few pics in the morning...thanks!

SUE!!!!!! I would sue HTC and or AT&T for the injury to your wife. Then once you get what you want out of them, then switch to Verizon.

i should prolly take pictures of mine. its doing the same thing. its very slight but very pokey. if you slide you finger across it, it stabs you.

I wouldnt really worry about AT&T billing you for the damaged phone. I probably did 3 or 4 warranty replacements over the last few years and ALL of the phones looked like they went through hell. My tilt didnt align properly and had paint chipping everywhere, also a lot of spots where it kissed the concrete. They took it back just fine.

SUE Them and Look for Overseeing Agencies.
You should sue them. Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........
You have a case here if you did not dropped the phone.
You can find direct contact to the president or regional manager (you need to insist and insist, it is not going to be easy, all the down line will tell you they can help, just don't loose your time and talk to the BIG GUYS), and ask for a meeting, once you show evidence they WILL REPLACE IT.
JUST write down the date you first NOTICED THEM about the issue, so they CANNOT say that you did not in TIME.
IF you CANNOT succeed, then I'M SURE AS HELL there's GOT TO BE an AGENCY where you can COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM (Like FCC or Whatever that will put them Penalties, and at that time they WILL BEG YOU to PLEASE let them REPLACE IT for YOU) and you will see how fast they will move.
I've Been Manager and Owner of my Own Business, Contracts, ETC. since 17, I hope my experience HELP YOU on HOW to CLAIM your RIGHTS as a CONSUMER.
AND REMEMBER TO BE GOOD and SOFT with your words, LOOK like as Responsible and Professional you can be.
Take Care.

the actual phone's laminate is coming off??? or are u guys talking about the included screen protector that doesnt seem to like to stick onto the phone around the corners.
I had to snip my screen protector with a nail clipper to keep it from ruining my pants. it started rolling back and became quite sharp.

Touch panel- fail

So the one time I decide to take the thundy out the case I drop it getting out of the car. I pick it up and its non responsive, can't get past HTC green/white screen. I tried holding vol down and I went into system info. It says touch panel- fail?!? Did I really toast this thing in one drop?

Ouch buddy let us know how it goes that makes me cringe as I always rock my phones naked, well except the nexus one neoprene that i have used on both incredibles and the nexus one I own. Wish it was big enough for my Thunderbolt that case has saved my ass a couple times

So Jcase helped me flash back to stock and it now says S-On in bootloader but I still can't get past HTC logo. I think it dropped just right and broke the screen. Be careful if your running your phone without a case guys, Im a good example. First drop, ruined the screen! Now I have to wait for a replacement to get shipped.

ok so I got the $5.18/ month insurance from Verizon, they tried to offer a $6.99/month plan that adds a 6 month warranty to the exchange and then took it back saying you cant with the thunderbolt.
So my question is should I just tell them I lost the phone and get to keep the battery, sd card, and possibly fix the touch screen later to put it on Metro PCS? Verizon says they cover lost phones, does anyone know if I will have more trouble if my phone is lost versus broken?
Also if its broken is there anyway of getting out of the $100 deductible?
Anyone know if I have to wait a day after adding insurance or any trouble I will run into with this?

So you would tell them you lost it even though you dropped it?
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Ill admit its sneaky, but to be honest Im mad that this phone didn't hold up better. The battery casing popped off relatively easy when it was dropped which was its downfall. Now I have to pay $100 and Im just supposed to be ok with this?
If Verizon still had a 30 day policy I could just take it to them but they are tightening the reigns.
Pics to follow showing light damage

Here are the pics

The only damage cosmetically to the phone is the nick on the corner and a scratch to the camera lens bezel that I can't really get to show up in a picture. Phone looks pristine, yet isn't worth more than a brick.

You can justify all you want but it doesn't make it right. Good luck
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azturbomini said:
You can justify all you want but it doesn't make it right. Good luck
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Your right this phone is built to withstand nothing. Seems weird that 15 days after the bolt's release verizon is changing all their return policy rules.
Also no extended warranty available for the replacement, when they are offering it on other devices. I think I will keep this phone as my own insurance policy..

I ended up using best buy black tie program because they gave me a phone on the spot. I didn't say I lost it, just gave them the broken phone. I was pretty frustrated yesterday when my TB failed!

Just brick it and say you downloaded an application and it shut off your phone and thats what came up
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Well I got it the 15th so Im outside of verizon's 14 day policy. Your saying if I dont tell them I dropped it they might replace the phone? You cant even tell I dropped it, the best buy lady was like why is your phone so useless? (its basically already bricked but now S-On, only going to boot screen)

Anyone try replacing a digitizer yet? Best Buy wants 30 days, plus 5 days for shipping, plus x amount of extra days cause their system was down for replacements....Im just getting so lucky, lol. I was hoping they were doing the 3 day rapid exchange, only on crapple phones though.
Link for $40 digitizer- http://www.kaboodle.com/reviews/39....zer-for-htc-thunderbolt-4g-incredible-hd-6400
This will void my warranty huh?

Correct me if im wrong as I have not actually seen a TB disassembled but is it possible that a pin connection just jolted loose? I mean it seems must more feasible in my opinion..

That is always possible. I have seen it b4. My wife has a plasma tv that just quit the day after bestbuy return policy. They were gonna send a tech, but it was gonna be a week or more. So I pulled it off the wall and tore into it. They never pushed the lock down on the ribbon cable! Been fine ever since.
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If I were you Id tell them the screen simply "Just Stopped working". From the looks of it nothing is cracked or broken so they couldent claim you did it.
I know, I know. Im a horrible dishonest person who makes things expensive and make people kill themselves.

So let me get this right. You were cheap so you didn't buy a case. Then YOU dropped it onto cement and expected to just pick it up and it to work fine. Then you go to Verizon and tell them you lost it so you can get a new phone plus keep the old one you know the one that YOU dropped. You are so freaking ridiculous. I hope you drop your new phone on carpet this time and it breaks. People these days, really.
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So let me get this right. You were cheap so you didn't buy a case. Then YOU dropped it onto cement and expected to just pick it up and it to work fine. Then you go to Verizon and tell them you lost it so you can get a new phone plus keep the old one you know the one that YOU dropped. You are so freaking ridiculous. I hope you drop your new phone on carpet this time and it breaks. People these days, really.
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I agree... They need to get rid of phone insurance and let people be more careful.

I would think from such a short drop it wouldn't be such a drastic result as the touchscreen failing. I mean, you must have dropped it "just right" for that to happen, I would think.
I accidentally dropped my BlackBerry down a flight of stairs at work and there wasn't even a scratch!
But I can see how a 4.3 inch screen could be more susceptible to damage than a BlackBerry.
Just remember, karma can be a *****, so pay it forward and be honest. You reap what you sow.

Would you replace your phone if it had one piece of dust..

Just noticed a tiny teeny spec of dust... So small I hardly notice it.its not a pixel its just one tiny spec. Anyways the phone is perfect other than this, no reboots, no bleeding. Great.
Question is would you return it? I dont want to but my ocd may get the best of me.

That would drive me bonkers. If they'll take it back, I would. But knowing that most carriers consider a burned out pixel acceptable ( and not cause to replace a phone),I'm guessing that they would balk at replacing it. If it was me, it would be one of those battles I'd "choose" to fight.
Depends on you. Can you live with it?
Also, did one speck get in when the phone was made or will more work their way in?

ickster said:
That would drive me bonkers. If they'll take it back, I would. But knowing that most carriers consider a burned out pixel acceptable ( and not cause to replace a phone),I'm guessing that they would balk at replacing it. If it was me, it would be one of those battles I'd "choose" to fight.
Depends on you. Can you live with it?
Also, did one speck get in when the phone was made or will more work their way in?
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That's exactly what I was wondering. Its so small and in the center kinda so I don't know how it could have got there after I got it.. But could have..
If it was in there I didn't notice it till now.. Its almost like after you clean the screen off, theres those few spots that you can barely see that is something sticky needing a finger nail to scratch off. So small but still I know its there... Well I got till the 18th too return it. Will see if any more come .
Edit: I guess it could be a tiny pixel the more I look at it. Some angles make it almosy vanish... Hmmm I'm not gonna worry about it unless within my return period it gets worse...
You would think if it was dust there would be more ? Or at least closer to the edges...
Meh... Whatever, don't see it on black screens thats all that I care..

If you want to return it just tell them your phone is freezing and rebooting itself after you tried multiple factory resets. If the dust gets on your nerves then you have the right to replace it. You paid for it. Personally I wouldn't because I would be afraid of getting a ****ed up device.
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jrwingate6 said:
If you want to return it just tell them your phone is freezing and rebooting itself after you tried multiple factory resets. If the dust gets on your nerves then you have the right to replace it. You paid for it. Personally I wouldn't because I would be afraid of getting a ****ed up device.
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This is exactly what I'm afraid of.... This device is perfect otherwise and you really need to look hard to see it. I wouldn't be surprised if I gave it to someone to look for dust or a bad pixel they would miss it unless very thorough....
Thanks dude..

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Personally I wouldn't because I would be afraid of getting a ****ed up device.
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I totally agree. I always thought it was bogus that they could even do this. I've been lucky, mostly received new or looks new. But we've all heard the horror stories. I'm loath to return any phone.

I had a speck of what looked like cigarette ash under my screen. Then it was gone. *shrug*
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Ok with the screen off very carefully you can see it in the right light angle..
So its a piece of dust that to me looks like it got there when made and its so small I never noticed.... I'm good thanks for the feedback I'm keepin it..

I would definitely replace it. If one piece of dust somehow got passed the supposedly sealed screen. Then more dust can and will find its' way in over time. I had that problem with my mytouch 4g. I noticed a tiny spec, then a week later more and more kept building until it was just horrible.

I have one to the left of the status bar. I know it won't be visible with 2.3 and it's black status bar so I'm not sweating it. I would exchange it if it were elsewhere tho.
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Because of screen bleed there is an opening between the LCD and the glass when u look from the angle that's how it gets in I had on mine too after I used it for a week or so.
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Because of screen bleed there is an opening between the LCD and the glass when u look from the angle that's how it gets in I had on mine too after I used it for a week or so.
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Thats definitely not where mine came from. Well more than likely cause the bottom I have no screen bleed at minimal at top.. Its more towards bottom of screen, just don't see that being the case.maybe some

Ok. So I couldnt stop looking at it even though it was barely there.
so I called them, told them I bought the phone out right 500 and I have dust under the screen. He said hold on, came back on the phone and said that they would exchange it with a 10 dollar restocking fee. I said BS, Im not paying that for dust under my screen, why? He said "because once it left the store we dont know what you did to it to get dust under the screen". I said, BS again, My phone is 9 days old without a scratch or dust around the edges under the tmobile cover its been using the whole time and that even if I was in a dusty environment that its not exceptable to have dust. I had a nexus, vibrant, vibrant 4g, hd2, touch pros etc. Im not stupid and im not paying the fee". He argued again and I said well then, it reboots too, I was not gonna mention that but since your hastling me it has a bad rebooting issue (it didnt but I read here and know what I can get away with). He then said ok well bring it in and will look at it.
So I get there ( you can tell they were expecting me) and he basically was pretty chill and returned it although another rep was trying to say I need to pay the stocking fee and asking the dude if he could replicate the reboots (ahole), and etc. Anyways they didnt charge me the fee and gave me my new device. While sitting there after it booted I inspected it very very closely. In a few seconds I found a dead pixel. I go to show him and he says " I cant see it, thats just dust on the screen protector". So we take it off, I look again and can still see the faintest pixel changing from gone to black while angling the device. I give it back and say yup, right there, (now at this point the other rep is getting mad lmfaooo). The rep thats helping me cant see it, I say what? Its right there, pointing to it, (it was very small but I could see it) he still cant see it. So I say hold on, then I go in the brower, find a i with the dot on top and put it right above that and say look right about the dot about the i. He does, still cant see it and shows the other rep getting mad. he then says yea he sees its, but they still are hasling me cause now Ive went through 3 devices (one brought back, dead pixel and now to get a new one. lol) So I say " what you mean burn through 3 devices like I chose too. I paid 500 dollars for this and im not walking out with a device with a dead pixel right off the bat". The other rep tells my rep to go talk to the manager. So that rep leaves. for a few.... LOL
As the dude is back talking to his manager, the other rude rep was helping a customer put on a screen protector. the guy and him are talking about it being a pain in the arse putting those on and dust always gets under the screen. So I using my XDA experience but in and tell the REP, " Hey bro, a little trick if your say at home is turn on the shower and let the dust fall to the ground, then wash hands realllllly good, then try it and it will be wayyyyyy easier". LoL. Then said "im kind of a phone nerd, I know my **** man"... He didnt look to happy after that cause the customer was really intrigued especially after watching me fight with them..
The dude comes back and says "ok, my Manager said its a judgment call and its up to me. My manager couldnt see it (are these idiots blind) but I know finally can so I will exchange it". Then said he cant exchange any more times (hell id refund then go down the street and buy another with a new 30 day warantee.lol). So anyways. I finally got a new device. No dust or pixel issues, lets hope I get no rebooting issues. I think it may have a little more screen bleed but that don't bother me none. If they would have made me pay the 10 dollar re stock fee I would have returned the device and went down the street also.... Jack asses. like im supposed to walk out with a dead pixel.....lol
got my new phone, so far so good...

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Ok. So I couldnt stop looking at it even though it was barely there.
so I called them, told them I bought the phone out right 500 and I have dust under the screen. He said hold on, came back on the phone and said that they would exchange it with a 10 dollar restocking fee. I said BS, Im not paying that for dust under my screen, why? He said "because once it left the store we dont know what you did to it to get dust under the screen". I said, BS again, My phone is 9 days old without a scratch or dust around the edges under the tmobile cover its been using the whole time and that even if I was in a dusty environment that its not exceptable to have dust. I had a nexus, vibrant, vibrant 4g, hd2, touch pros etc. Im not stupid and im not paying the fee". He argued again and I said well then, it reboots too, I was not gonna mention that but since your hastling me it has a bad rebooting issue (it didnt but I read here and know what I can get away with). He then said ok well bring it in and will look at it.
So I get there ( you can tell they were expecting me) and he basically was pretty chill and returned it although another rep was trying to say I need to pay the stocking fee and asking the dude if he could replicate the reboots (ahole), and etc. Anyways they didnt charge me the fee and gave me my new device. While sitting there after it booted I inspected it very very closely. In a few seconds I found a dead pixel. I go to show him and he says " I cant see it, thats just dust on the screen protector". So we take it off, I look again and can still see the faintest pixel changing from gone to black while angling the device. I give it back and say yup, right there, (now at this point the other rep is getting mad lmfaooo). The rep thats helping me cant see it, I say what? Its right there, pointing to it, (it was very small but I could see it) he still cant see it. So I say hold on, then I go in the brower, find a i with the dot on top and put it right above that and say look right about the dot about the i. He does, still cant see it and shows the other rep getting mad. he then says yea he sees its, but they still are hasling me cause now Ive went through 3 devices (one brought back, dead pixel and now to get a new one. lol) So I say " what you mean burn through 3 devices like I chose too. I paid 500 dollars for this and im not walking out with a device with a dead pixel right off the bat". The other rep tells my rep to go talk to the manager. So that rep leaves. for a few.... LOL
As the dude is back talking to his manager, the other rude rep was helping a customer put on a screen protector. the guy and him are talking about it being a pain in the arse putting those on and dust always gets under the screen. So I using my XDA experience but in and tell the REP, " Hey bro, a little trick if your say at home is turn on the shower and let the dust fall to the ground, then wash hands realllllly good, then try it and it will be wayyyyyy easier". LoL. Then said "im kind of a phone nerd, I know my **** man"... He didnt look to happy after that cause the customer was really intrigued especially after watching me fight with them..
The dude comes back and says "ok, my Manager said its a judgment call and its up to me. My manager couldnt see it (are these idiots blind) but I know finally can so I will exchange it". Then said he cant exchange any more times (hell id refund then go down the street and buy another with a new 30 day warantee.lol). So anyways. I finally got a new device. No dust or pixel issues, lets hope I get no rebooting issues. I think it may have a little more screen bleed but that don't bother me none. If they would have made me pay the 10 dollar re stock fee I would have returned the device and went down the street also.... Jack asses. like im supposed to walk out with a dead pixel.....lol
got my new phone, so far so good...
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Haha, yeah it's a huge PITA to get them to replace your phone more than once on the same day. Today I went to target to get mine replaced since it had a dead pixel and I also scratched the screen somehow lol, I new the guy would tell me that he couldn't see the dead pixel and would not accept the return so I just went into the recovery and formatted the system so the phone wouldn't boot . After I got my second phone i went straight to the darkest place I could find in the store to check for the backlight bleed and noticed that it way worse than my first phone so I went back to the guy and told him to look at the edges of my screen and he kept saying that he couldn't see anything wrong with the phone and eventually even told me that I was just being nitpicky and that he wouldn't replace it again So i figured Ill just get it replaced through CS until I get one with minimal bleed.

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Haha, yeah it's a huge PITA to get them to replace your phone more than once on the same day. Today I went to target to get mine replaced since it had a dead pixel and I also scratched the screen somehow lol, I new the guy would tell me that he couldn't see the dead pixel and would not accept the return so I just went into the recovery and formatted the system so the phone wouldn't boot . After I got my second phone i went straight to the darkest place I could find in the store to check for the backlight bleed and noticed that it way worse than my first phone so I went back to the guy and told him to look at the edges of my screen and he kept saying that he couldn't see anything wrong with the phone and eventually even told me that I was just being nitpicky and that he wouldn't replace it again So i figured Ill just get it replaced through CS until I get one with minimal bleed.
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I paid 500 cash. Damn right ill be nit picky... Lol

[Q] Anyone been charged for repairs? FORGOT MICROSD CARD! :(

I've had my TF101 since launch and recently purchased a dock. Only trackpad on the dock works, none of the keys work. Tried the dock on another tf101 and it worked fine. After trying different roms and reverting to stock, came to the point where I had to send it in to Asus.
My question is, my bezel has 2 dents/knocks on the bottom corners, what are the chances Asus is going to say it's customer induced damaged and charge me for the repairs?
I remember reading a thread where someone had the same issue but I can't find it. Also I forgot to mention my light bleed had gotten worse and the rear case creaks, can I call them back up and tell them about that?
UPDATE: I just remembered that I complete forgot my 32GB microSD in the TF and it has a bunch of custom rom .zip files in it! What are the chances I get my microSD card back with my tF if they do replace the bezel?

*Sigh*
It's 50/50 about the chances that they will call it customer induced damage.
Go ahead and call them up and tell them about it.
I'll be honest. Chances are you won't get your sdcard back. There's been too many reports of people not getting their stuff back. Here's why. In order to take out the bezel, they will need to remove the microsdcard. Chances are the card will get lost because it is so small.
My condolences.
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On a lighter note, here's a funny story. As you may know, I modify docks to solder in a 500/750gb hard drive. One time someone sent me his dock with his sdcard inside. I promised him I'd put pictures of the mod process inside his sdcard. When I opened it up, I found 16gb of gay porn inside. Thought it was hilarious.
Note that I am not homophobic. I date guys, actually. Still think that was hilarious. Hope you didn't leave your porn collection in there LOL.

Haha, thank you, but thankfully it's a fairly new card and haven't had time to put anything on it
I had the latest version of Prime! and Revolver roms on their along with cwm and root apk's. Also had some videos of a storm that rolled through here last week and I think that's about it. But I just got the card, and for a good deal so I'll be pretty upset if I don't get it back
Side story: A couple years back I found a memory stick someone had left in the student lab, so I opened it up seeing if I could identify the owner and get it back to him/her. Well, turns out it was loaded with BEASTIALITY porn! I unplugged that thing soo quick and threw it across the lab floor, I didn't want to be caught with that **** on university computers!
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Just got off the phone with Asus, I added the light bleed and rear case creak to my RMA but now i'm thinking I shouldn't have. This is probably going to make the repair longer and I'm planning on heading out of town next weekend, I highly doubt it's going to get back to me in time . Also it wasn't bothering me that much before and now i'm worried it's going to get back worse then before. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Regarding the microSD, the rep said he'd have to escalate my case to get the card sent back to me asap but no guarantee. TF hasn't reached them yet, should arrive either later today or early tomorrow. fingers crossed.

With their computer components you get ~14 days to post mark the item after you setup your RMA. You may want to read the entire email for your RMA.
And generally, no, you won't get your card back unless they immediately see the dents and package it up and send it back to you. Normally, ASUS isn't too picky, but there have been horror stories about the Texas RMA facility, sorry to say. If they do claim it as user damage, then they will email you before they repair it and ask if you want it done.
Edit: for I can count to potato.

Got the delivery confirmation earlier today at noon, but the RMA status says they still haven't received it. I Know they usually take a while to update the status but i'm going to call tomorrow to check if they've mailed back my microSD card.

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Got the delivery confirmation earlier today at noon, but the RMA status says they still haven't received it. I Know they usually take a while to update the status but i'm going to call tomorrow to check if they've mailed back my microSD card.
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The people in charge of updating your status can sometimes be pretty lazy. Last time I sent one in, confirmation said it arrived on monday, but their status said they hadn't received it until thursday. In fact, on thursday alone, it changed from not recieved to repairing to being inspected to ready to be shipped.
It's obvious they do everything and then changed the statuses all at once.

I just sent mine into the TX RMA facility and received notiifcation that the cracked screen was due to customer induced damage. I have babied that damn thing since day one and it's always been in a case when not docked in the keyboard. All this to say, if my experience is any indication, it doesn't matter what happened, they will blame it on you and you'll have to pay. Good luck, ASUS customer support is a joke.

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I just sent mine into the TX RMA facility and received notiifcation that the cracked screen was due to customer induced damage. I have babied that damn thing since day one and it's always been in a case when not docked in the keyboard. All this to say, if my experience is any indication, it doesn't matter what happened, they will blame it on you and you'll have to pay. Good luck, ASUS customer support is a joke.
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How did the screen crack?

My guess is cracked either closing it while docked to the keyboard or from inserting it into the dock/keyboard. Not sure which. It's never been dropped, abused, or misused that is for sure. I was told by the tech and her manager that the LCD screen never fails because of defects. It's always because of customer induced damage. That was an wesome hour-long conversation.

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My guess is cracked either closing it while docked to the keyboard or from inserting it into the dock/keyboard. Not sure which. It's never been dropped, abused, or misused that is for sure.
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If this is the case, then it's still customer induced damage.
I was told by the tech and her manager that the LCD screen never fails because of defects. It's always because of customer induced damage. That was an wesome hour-long conversation.
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Haha, if they said this, then it's total BS.

vf171 said:
My guess is cracked either closing it while docked to the keyboard or from inserting it into the dock/keyboard. Not sure which. It's never been dropped, abused, or misused that is for sure. I was told by the tech and her manager that the LCD screen never fails because of defects. It's always because of customer induced damage. That was an wesome hour-long conversation.
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That sucks. I had a dell streak 5" and they manufactured it by putting the digitzer on the lcd too tight. So if you'd tap normally in any of the corners it would show on the lcd as if you're pushing really hard on it. Someone on xda posted that dell had acknowledged it's their fault so a bunch of people sent theirs in for repair, but I guess they got flooded with repairs that the customer service was told the LCD was not covered. Had a fun convo with one gentleman who kept assuring me that the LCD was software and not covered by dell's hardware warranty!
In the end I just told them it was white in the corner, although the lcd was clearly damaged, sent it in and they mailed me a new one without charging me .

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If this is the case, then it's still customer induced damage.
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Really? That's like saying if GM designed the tailgate on a pick up with a defect and when you closed it, using normal, proper methods and forces, if it breaks that is customer induced damage.
My point is that unless I'm doing something that is prohibited in the warranty (abuse/misues) then the damage should be covered because it obviously is a result of a defect (manufacturing, design, etc..., take your pick I don't care which). Your logic (and ASUS') suggests that ALL damage that occurs while a customer is using the device is customer induced. So the only way to avoid customer induced damage is to not use your device. Genius.
Really, I was just sharing a data point for the OP to consider since he asked if the group thought ASUS would invoke the magical and all-encompassing "Customer Induced Damage".

So no one has yet to contact me about my microSD card although someone was supposed to. Called Asus up a few moments ago and rep said he'd put the escalation on high priority.
Also the charger on my dad's tf just went out so had to do another rma for that. Why do these companies insist on using proprietary ports?

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Really? That's like saying if GM designed the tailgate on a pick up with a defect and when you closed it, using normal, proper methods and forces, if it breaks that is customer induced damage.
My point is that unless I'm doing something that is prohibited in the warranty (abuse/misues) then the damage should be covered because it obviously is a result of a defect (manufacturing, design, etc..., take your pick I don't care which). Your logic (and ASUS') suggests that ALL damage that occurs while a customer is using the device is customer induced. So the only way to avoid customer induced damage is to not use your device. Genius.
Really, I was just sharing a data point for the OP to consider since he asked if the group thought ASUS would invoke the magical and all-encompassing "Customer Induced Damage".
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I guess in a sense you're right. You gotta understand, though, I've worked with a couple dozen units. Never had a problem with the dock causing any kind of physical damage. I'm just having a hard time visualizing how this was done.

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I guess in a sense you're right. You gotta understand, though, I've worked with a couple dozen units. Never had a problem with the dock causing any kind of physical damage. I'm just having a hard time visualizing how this was done.
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That is exactly my point! It would NEVER happen unless there was something wrong with the device or he dock.
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So no one has yet to contact me about my microSD card although someone was supposed to. Called Asus up a few moments ago and rep said he'd put the escalation on high priority.
Also the charger on my dad's tf just went out so had to do another rma for that. Why do these companies insist on using proprietary ports?
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Good luck. I just received notice that my TF shipped back today. I haven't decided if I'm going to and fix it or burn it in the backyard as I record it on my wife's iPad and upload to my new Facebook page, Asus Customer Service Sucks.
I did include all the original packaging and my wall adapter and power cord. I bet they don't make it back to me. I'd be interested to hear if your sd card makes it back.

I've had a couple folks ask to see a pic of the crack in my screen. Why can't I post directly from my phone?

I just checked the RMA status now and it finally updated from device not received to "Repairing". I guess this is a good sign as I've seen in other threads for those being charged or denied repairs had a different status.
Still no call from them regarding my microSD Said I would get a call 24-48hours from Thursday, I'll give them till afternoon today then I'll call them up and see what they have to say.
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I've had a couple folks ask to see a pic of the crack in my screen. Why can't I post directly from my phone?
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You can using the xda app, Sometimes uploads fail, but you can go into settings and change whether to upload the pic to xda or tapatalk's servers.

Just got my TF back and it's LOADED WITH ICS!!11!1!!!one11!!
ok, it's not... but on the bright side, my microSD card is still in it
As for the repair, the dock now works and I knew I shouldn't have said anything about the light bleed and case creak.
It does appear they put a new LCD and Digitizer, but now rather than having a couple light bleed spots that were only visible in the dark, there is now one really bright spot in the bottom left. I haven't even viewed it in the dark so don't know if there are more.
For the creak, looks like they just put something behind the case where the creak was, but now the rear case is sticking out by a few millimeters. This makes it hard to put the tablet in and out of the dock.
Also they didn't say anything or replace the dented bezel. I think i'm going to take things into my own hands and do what this guy did.

glad you got it back ,,,,, time for me to get an RMA mine will not power on so wish me luck now...

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glad you got it back ,,,,, time for me to get an RMA mine will not power on so wish me luck now...
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that sucks. Is your charger dead? Plug it into your pc overnight and see if that wakes it up.

Dropped my phone. Bezel chipped.

i dropped my phone last night and now i have an ugly bezel chip in a few places. lucky thats all it was. is there anywaybto repair it or will at&t help me out at all? my eyes go directly to the damage and it bugs me rotten!
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sikalb said:
i dropped my phone last night and now i have an ugly bezel chip in a few places. lucky thats all it was. is there anywaybto repair it or will at&t help me out at all? my eyes go directly to the damage and it bugs me rotten!
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If you have AT&T insurance you'll have to pay a $200 deductible. It's an eye sore but that's just it, an eye sore so there's not much to be done. Could possibly buy a new frame for it if you wanna invest the time and money. It would be a little cheaper too that route.
On the bright side it shows the durability of the phone, if all that you got was some dented in polycarbonate then consider yourself lucky heheh.

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If you have AT&T insurance you'll have to pay a $200 deductible. It's an eye sore but that's just it, an eye sore so there's not much to be done. Could possibly buy a new frame for it if you wanna invest the time and money. It would be a little cheaper too that route.
On the bright side it shows the durability of the phone, if all that you got was some dented in polycarbonate then consider yourself lucky heheh.
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would i be right if i assumed buying insurance now would be much to late?
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would i be right if i assumed buying insurance now would be much to late?
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Buying insurance now and then submitting a claim would constitute insurance fraud.

Might be cheaper to buy a case. It should cover up most of the bezel.

ATT is easy to get over, you just need to get the right representative.
I have had many problems with phones over the years. The thing i learned about att is that you can get anything you want out of them if you try, and, never pay for a new phone. When i get an annoying scratch/crack on my screen, all i do is call up att and tell them my phone is constantly freezing up. Dont go to the store, do it over the phone. Tell them it freezes up when you do a certain thing. If they ask you if the phone is rooted, the obvious answer is no. They will tell you to do a factory reset, which you can do it if you want, or just play along and say you are doing a factory reset (you dont actually need to do it, just say you are) when they ask you if the problem is fixed say no it is not fixed, it froze when the phone boot up. they will ask you if the phone has physical damage, you can answer just normal wear and ear or say no, i use a case. They will tell you they will replace the phone and you need to return the old phone, if they see any cracks/water damage they say they will charge you. I would not get scared. I must have done this over 15 times over the year and they have never ever charged me for a scratch or crack when i return the phone. I have never had water damage but from what i have heard, they do get some people on the water damage, so i would advise against this if you have water damage. Also, whenever you get an upgrade, use this method before upgrading your phone, this way you can sell it for more when you upgrade. You should always make money on an upgrade. The high end phones cost around $200 for upgrade, and by the time you are getting the next upgrade, you can sell the old phone for more than the upgrade price usually.
BTW: if the rep on the phone does not want to help you, or seems like a jerk, just say okay, hang up, call back and tell the new rep that the last rep hung up on you bc she seemed confused, they will feel inclined to help you more.

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BTW: if the rep on the phone does not want to help you, or seems like a jerk, just say okay, hang up, call back and tell the new rep that the last rep hung up on you bc she seemed confused, they will feel inclined to help you more.
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That's not a good idea. A customer service rep would never hang up on a customer. And any other customer service rep would know that. If you told them that, they would see right through you.

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That's not a good idea. A customer service rep would never hang up on a customer. And any other customer service rep would know that. If you told them that, they would see right through you.
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Not necessarily. They always feel bad and it works. Ill start off with something like i would appreciate if you can help me, im very frustrated i spent an hour on the phone just now with a rep and it finally seemed like he was going to fix the problem and then he either hung up, or we got disconnected... Works like a charm.

They hang up on you.. happened to me a few times.
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instead of trying to scam the system, how about you either (1) replace the bezel or (2) use a case and you wont see the damage anymore...after all, you DID drop it to no one else's fault but your own.

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I have had many problems with phones over the years. The thing i learned about att is that you can get anything you want out of them if you try, and, never pay for a new phone. When i get an annoying scratch/crack on my screen, all i do is call up att and tell them my phone is constantly freezing up. Dont go to the store, do it over the phone. Tell them it freezes up when you do a certain thing. If they ask you if the phone is rooted, the obvious answer is no. They will tell you to do a factory reset, which you can do it if you want, or just play along and say you are doing a factory reset (you dont actually need to do it, just say you are) when they ask you if the problem is fixed say no it is not fixed, it froze when the phone boot up. they will ask you if the phone has physical damage, you can answer just normal wear and ear or say no, i use a case. They will tell you they will replace the phone and you need to return the old phone, if they see any cracks/water damage they say they will charge you. I would not get scared. I must have done this over 15 times over the year and they have never ever charged me for a scratch or crack when i return the phone. I have never had water damage but from what i have heard, they do get some people on the water damage, so i would advise against this if you have water damage. Also, whenever you get an upgrade, use this method before upgrading your phone, this way you can sell it for more when you upgrade. You should always make money on an upgrade. The high end phones cost around $200 for upgrade, and by the time you are getting the next upgrade, you can sell the old phone for more than the upgrade price usually.
BTW: if the rep on the phone does not want to help you, or seems like a jerk, just say okay, hang up, call back and tell the new rep that the last rep hung up on you bc she seemed confused, they will feel inclined to help you more.
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So what you're saying is, you're a scammer? NO seriously, that's flat out wrong dude! You're the reason why AT&T makes it hard for everyone else to file valid claims.
Very ironic how well your name rhymes with scammer

I wrecked my new car last night. I didn't have insurance.
Maybe I should go back to Honda and see if they will fix it for free because it was my fault:cyclops::good:
Just buy a case.. it should cover the uglies

Go to squaretrade.com and buy a phone insurance, and then file for insurace replacement.
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mattdm said:
That's not a good idea. A customer service rep would never hang up on a customer. And any other customer service rep would know that. If you told them that, they would see right through you.
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I have had reps hang up or the called dropped out which I find hard to believe as I was on a land line calling them and it upset me because I would be on hold for 30 minutes to get somebody and talk to them for 5 mins and then bam hung up.

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I have had reps hang up or the called dropped out which I find hard to believe as I was on a land line calling them and it upset me because I would be on hold for 30 minutes to get somebody and talk to them for 5 mins and then bam hung up.
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I work in a call center for the a major insurance company, and people that give me attitude are the ones that have the most chances of getting the line cut, if you know what i mean. We are humans, we try to help you, but if you're impolite, aggressive and think we are your servants, then go ***** yourself and solve your own problems. I'm not saying thats your case, i'm saying about 2-3% of people think that are those are the people that leave dissatisfied. There is always room for litigation resolution, but it has to be done right, if not, we wont help you just like we know we could. I often purposely don't want to help client to my full extent when they give me attitude, and on the other side, i can go far out of my power to help a client that is nice and polite. Now that you know that, i hope it will make the right call. Polite and persistant is much easier to help then impolite and persistant

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I work in a call center for the a major insurance company, and people that give me attitude are the ones that have the most chances of getting the line cut, if you know what i mean. We are humans, we try to help you, but if you're impolite, aggressive and think we are your servants, then go ***** yourself and solve your own problems. I'm not saying thats your case, i'm saying about 2-3% of people think that are those are the people that leave dissatisfied. There is always room for litigation resolution, but it has to be done right, if not, we wont help you just like we know we could. I often purposely don't want to help client to my full extent when they give me attitude, and on the other side, i can go far out of my power to help a client that is nice and polite. Now that you know that, i hope it will make the right call. Polite and persistant is much easier to help then impolite and persistant
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I hear you I am not rude as I used to work in retail a long while ago but I think some reps are faced with a tough problem they don't know how to handle and simply kill the line or its close to them leaving as their shift is up.
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They hang up on you.. happened to me a few times.
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Impressive. I could barely use a phone, let alone call customer service when I was in 8th grade.
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the only reason i asked is because i was told i could buy the insurance within the 30 day period of receiving it. never did i imply i wanted to 'scam' the system.

crammer04 said:
I have had many problems with phones over the years. The thing i learned about att is that you can get anything you want out of them if you try, and, never pay for a new phone. When i get an annoying scratch/crack on my screen, all i do is call up att and tell them my phone is constantly freezing up. Dont go to the store, do it over the phone. Tell them it freezes up when you do a certain thing. If they ask you if the phone is rooted, the obvious answer is no. They will tell you to do a factory reset, which you can do it if you want, or just play along and say you are doing a factory reset (you dont actually need to do it, just say you are) when they ask you if the problem is fixed say no it is not fixed, it froze when the phone boot up. they will ask you if the phone has physical damage, you can answer just normal wear and ear or say no, i use a case. They will tell you they will replace the phone and you need to return the old phone, if they see any cracks/water damage they say they will charge you. I would not get scared. I must have done this over 15 times over the year and they have never ever charged me for a scratch or crack when i return the phone. I have never had water damage but from what i have heard, they do get some people on the water damage, so i would advise against this if you have water damage. Also, whenever you get an upgrade, use this method before upgrading your phone, this way you can sell it for more when you upgrade. You should always make money on an upgrade. The high end phones cost around $200 for upgrade, and by the time you are getting the next upgrade, you can sell the old phone for more than the upgrade price usually.
BTW: if the rep on the phone does not want to help you, or seems like a jerk, just say okay, hang up, call back and tell the new rep that the last rep hung up on you bc she seemed confused, they will feel inclined to help you more.
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**** move