Talk and Surf.. why doesnt Verizon Promote this? - Thunderbolt General

We all know that the Thunderbolt can talk and surf over 3G and 4G.. why doesnt Verizon promote this? This seems like it'd be a cool selling point since ATT constantly uses this as a knock against VZ's network.
Does talk and surf not work in all markets? Does Verizon not want to confuse owners of other phones? I cant see why they dont advertise this more..

i know right i rub it in peoples faces lol

It isn't quite up to Verizon standards. At least that was what was on the initial info material for the Thunderbolt. Seems to work fine the couple times I've tried it.

There have been creative differences on how to present the "Can you hear me now? Good.. Oh, and I just got your e-mail" tv commercials.
Plus only having 1 phone that can do it ATM might be a little premature gloating for the entire network.. Although yes I do it.

It would also advertise to most folks that aren't aware (the non-techies) that talk & data is not available on every other phone... It's a fine line. It's as if Verizon would admit that the lack of this feature is a problem that only 1 phone could resolve.
I'm guessing the marketing weenies took a hard look at this
just my $.02

bill102938 said:
It's as if Verizon would admit that the lack of this feature is a problem that only 1 phone could resolve.
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Technically that's the case because of the way the radios are used. The Thunderbolt could be the only one for a while capable of simultaneous voice & data over 3G.

I don't know many people who see that as a must have feature. Including friends who have ATT. Never seen anyone use it.

because AT&T iDouches need something to keep them feeling like they have the better phone/network..
verizon's just bein nice..and how would it look if they came along after all this time and advertised the one phone in the entire lineup that could do it?

There really isn't any point. LTE isn't large enough, only one phone out (as of now). And really how many times would you need to use it?

lippstuh said:
There really isn't any point. LTE isn't large enough, only one phone out (as of now). And really how many times would you need to use it?
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it works over 3g too dude

I use it at least once a day. Doesn't the Charge do it also? If so thats two phones and I believe all the future LTE phones will be able to do it.

LakerStar25 said:
I use it at least once a day. Doesn't the Charge do it also? If so thats two phones and I believe all the future LTE phones will be able to do it.
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It should do it when on LTE or Wifi but not necessarily 3G like the Thunderbolt. My understanding is that with the cpu and radio chips being made by Qualcomm, it was easier to get the voice and data working over 3G in addition to the other two.

Yeah I was over in one of the Charge forums and they were talking about how they could not talk and surf at the same time over 3G. The TBolt is definitely still unique in this regard.
As to why they don't push the issue in advertising, I agree that with only one device being able to do it over 3G, it's a little premature. Plus, they are trying to push 4G LTE and going back and touting 3G simultaneous data and voice would be taking a step back in some ways(especially when it's only one device).
When there are more LTE devices available I would expect to hear more about it's advantages, including voice+data.

this is a little bit off topic, is it just me or it seems to that there are no dual core phones with lte coming out? seem like the only one was the bionic and that got trashed

bogatyr said:
I don't know many people who see that as a must have feature. Including friends who have ATT. Never seen anyone use it.
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I always felt this was a useless feature too that att kept gloating about to make the pompous Iphone owners feel superior with their phones. I always would run into an iPhone user who would constantly compare his phone saying "can your phone do this.. can your phone do that".
I agree Verizon should hammer back that the tbolt can do that plus other things the iPhone can't. I think its worth while for Verizon to advertise who is superior now regardless if it is a useless feature.

you can talk and surf at the same time on the tbolt? haha i honestly did not know that. thanks for the tip!

I use it everyday many times... On conference calls, sending/receiving emails, looking things up, send maps links, etc. My crew calls for info, I can pull it up, countless things.
And yes, it works on both 4G and 3G. Always.
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Sent from my HTC ThunderBolt 4G LTE.

I think AT&T tried to make it a bigger deal than it actually was.
I still have yet to use voice and data at the same time, even going back to my iPhone days.

They'll tout it once it becomes more common for the phones that Verizon has available. Since only one can do it now, they'd have to specifically focus on the Thunderbolt, and would have to say ONLY the Thunderbolt has that capability.
I too never saw the big deal of chatting on the phone and surfing the web at the same time, sure it's a cool feature, but for me personally I have the phone to my ear when I'm talking, and surfing would only be a distraction. I liked AT&T when I had them, but I've always hated the iPhone and detested the iPhone users that go out of their way to point out what it can do. Here's something for them, can it do 4G LTE? Yeah, didn't think so. Dual LED flash? Far more customization? No dice!

being able to take a phone call and use the navi is a huge plus... also looking up something on the web while on the phone is a great feature

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Sprint Touch Pro vs. AT&T Fuze

So I'd like the experts to weigh in on this one: I'm pretty sure I'm getting the Touch Pro but I'd like to know the pros/cons of going the sprint route vs. the AT&T route. Do the same cooked roms on this site work on both, or only on the GSM (AT&T) version of the phone? Do people find the CDMA network faster/slower than the GSM network for Data (i.e. how do their 3G speeds compare). What other features might be different? And I know there's been some confusion on release dates but has that been cleared up at all?
...Part of me wants to wait and see if the Touch HD Pro will come out (HD w/ QWERTY) but I don't know if I can wait that long, and if it's only released for Europe w/out US 3G that'd suck...
Thanks all for your help!
I'd also like to see a good summary of the differences with the 2 providers. I'm probably going to be leaving Verizon for this phone.
I'd also read that the Touch HD would not be released in the US - so I'm pretty much counting on the Touch Pro.
jumping along with this one
Somebody can give more details, but I can still pitch in a little bit.
I'm from Canada so I can't really pitch in for pros/con for T-Mobile/AT&T. One advice is to get a real good look at the 3G coverage because ultimately that can be a big factor depending where you live/go.
From what I read, I wouldn't hold my breath for the HD, apparently it's currently not planned for North America. One with a keyboard is even a longer shot because of it's size, making it thicker would pretty much make it a huge phone, don't know if there's a big market for that.
As for the ROM, I saw that Elite Team is talking about making a CDMA rom, but in this forum, you will find much more GSM material. I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
Hope this helps a bit in your decision, overall the TP is very nice and I think the custom ROMs in this forum can make it a greater phone!
That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.
slyng1 said:
That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.
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sprint tv is tv on the go u get channels like nfl network , disney, and cnn live,but most of the channels arent live just clips and stuff...the only difference i see with them is the fuze took away the number row and replaced it with symbols, as far as networks i dont know whos is better, but sprints $15 data plan comes with sprint tv and you get 3g with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone
labbbby said:
I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
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I take offense to you lumping me, a GSM user, in with the likes of Verizon and Sprint.
A co-worker of mine has the Vogue (CDMA Touch) on Verizon, and it's total BS what you have to go through when you flash a new radio or ROM to the device. Verizon uses something called an "A-Key" to authenticate you to their data network, and that key is wiped out on radio flashes (sometimes ROM flashes), so you constantly have to call Verizon to have them resend you a key to allow data connections (ALL data, not just ICS) to work.
...and Sprint has registry keys built into their ROMs to prevent ICS from working. Admittedly, this annoyance has a much easier workaround that Verizon's, but it's still BS.
havox22 said:
...with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone
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AT&T has several different data packages available, and the device you have determines your choices, but all of them connect to 3G without additional fees.
Att All The Way!
As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!
garymedina said:
As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!
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definetly like being able to pop the sim in a crappy phone
wich my 8525 will be soon enough
The other thing to remember is Sprint is really struggling right now and may not be around much longer. If you do travel anywhere outside of the US and want to take your phone, you will want GSM. Just my 2 cents.
Sprint is better in my opinion
sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.
shadowwarz said:
sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.
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i agree with basically everything you said. The phones are basically the same, and flashing sprint phones doesn't take anything special besides making sure the Rom/Kitchen is designed for Sprint. Which most of the ones on ppcgeeks.com are on sprint first anyways sometimes only sprint.
but if you do international traveling I would definitely get the ATT version, just so all you have to do is pop in a different SIM card.
But ultimately it just comes down to which plan you can get for cheaper I'd say, like for the same minutes/data.
I travel a lot. Several times a week, and both nationally and internationally.
I use the Kaiser on ATT, and unless I am out in the middle of God's country (like, say, Carroll Iowa... don't ask), I find 3G and H all over.
I haven't used Sprint in forever.... but, as far as data goes, ATT seems to have pretty great coverage.
Making it simple:
Sprint
+Cheaper plans
+slightly better up/down speeds (especially factoring in the iphone factor)
-Harder to Flash (?, based on what's said here)
AT&T
+Usable internationally
+Easier to flash (again, based on whats said here)
-Data more expensive unless you lie to AT&T about your device (possibly causing a huge bill someday)
-Data speeds a bit slower
beyond that I couldn't say much more that isn't placebo or really effected by too many other factors... Traditionally Sprint phones will use more power then their GSM counterparts.. but there's a lotta factors involved in this issue
Also, with the Sprint CDMA network you don't get the annoying sound of speakers freaking out when you walk around and your phone does things in your pocket, unlike the AT&T GSM network.
Although if you like to be a pain, you may prefer the speaker interference caused by GSM phones.
Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!
HTC_Feind said:
Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!
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if you turn the data off the speakers shouldnt be affected unless a text comes in
I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.
rrider77 said:
I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.
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yes this has been known
but it isnt really in teh same league since they are cutting the processor and ram and also removing the tilt sensor
HTC_Feind said:
Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out.
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It's half true only.
The noise which you hear through speaker only appears when you're in GSM/GPRS/EDGE mode but not in 3G UMTS/HSDPA mode. Furthermore, all GSM phones on any carrier all around the world will do the same.

not impress with the inspire

Why do my inspire 4g seem slower than my 3g nexus1 on t-mobile network? I get a better experience watching YouTube video on my 3g nexus1. On the inspire its slow to load and I get a lot of error message that pops up during a video. I paid $580 for my n1 so I could leave when I want. I think I have 15 days trial with this cell. I don't want to be trapped in a 2 yr contract and I'm not satisfy .
And what the help is up with this black screen while I'm trying to type? I thought it was just text messages but its happening now
I am not impress with your grammar.
If you're not happy, like you said, you can always return it and go back to the N1. It's a solid phone. As for speeds? Maybe you live in an area where T-Mobile has their "4g" on and AT&T doesn't. (As in, AT&T doesn't have much if any of their backhaul implemented.)
I get around 3Mbps down and 2Mbps up at peak. Videos are smooth and this phone is fast. For me anyway.
As for the black screen...don't know what to tell you. Texting is peachy for me too.
I am very impress with this phone.
I dont know whats up with the texting issue but my speeds vary by location.
Hope you get it figured out.
simonti said:
Why do my inspire 4g seem slower than my 3g nexus1 on t-mobile network? I get a better experience watching YouTube video on my 3g nexus1. On the inspire its slow to load and I get a lot of error message that pops up during a video. I paid $580 for my n1 so I could leave when I want. I think I have 15 days trial with this cell. I don't want to be trapped in a 2 yr contract and I'm not satisfy .
And what the help is up with this black screen while I'm trying to type? I thought it was just text messages but its happening now
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Are you using Inspire on Tmobile? I believe you can only get EDGE. This phone is for AT&T...
alex4lex said:
I am not impress with your grammar.
If you're not happy, like you said, you can always return it and go back to the N1. It's a solid phone. As for speeds? Maybe you live in an area where T-Mobile has their "4g" on and AT&T doesn't. (As in, AT&T doesn't have much if any of their backhaul implemented.)
I get around 3Mbps down and 2Mbps up at peak. Videos are smooth and this phone is fast. For me anyway.
As for the black screen...don't know what to tell you. Texting is peachy for me too.
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This is not English class. You sound like a fan boy. I read many post with grammatical errors and if I could reply with a helpful comment I will.
The phone is not perfect so stop acting like it is the best thing since slice bread.
The phone was marketed as at&t first 4g phone. Is it 4g? Not.
No cell phone is perfect but having slow 4g and black screen popping up while typing in landscape mode is really annoying. If these issue cannot be resolve then I would leave when I'm ready to
andycai said:
Are you using Inspire on Tmobile? I believe you can only get EDGE. This phone is for AT&T...
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I left T-Mobile to come to at&t for the inspire .
Nope phone is not perfect... well for me it is
this phone was dirt cheap
i have not experienced the black screen while texting... you might want to look into getting a replacement
as far as 3g/4g it is pretty lame we get "4g" in april but i cannot really speak on that since i am on wifi. well hope all goes well for you if not there **** load of android phones coming out
I upgraded from Fuze, definite improvement in hardware there, but even compared to my wife's HTC Aria, the Inspire is a better experience for hardware and software.
However... AT&T where I live (Yolo County, CA outside of Sacramento) does not have 4G yet. I have not achieved the speeds and cell calls can drop because of poor reception in very specific neighborhoods. AT&T did not lie when they marketed this is the 4G phone. The coverage areas suck right now for 4G, that's all. Buyer beware, especially if you don't do your research. Your other problems with the phone may be specific for that phone itself. Get it exchanged for a new one. If AT&T wants to keep your account, they should help you.
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I upgraded from Fuze, definite improvement in hardware there, but even compared to my wife's HTC Aria, the Inspire is a better experience for hardware and software.
However... AT&T where I live (Yolo County, CA outside of Sacramento) does not have 4G yet. I have not achieved the speeds and cell calls can drop because of poor reception in very specific neighborhoods. AT&T did not lie when they marketed this is the 4G phone. The coverage areas suck right now for 4G, that's all. Buyer beware, especially if you don't do your research. Your other problems with the phone may be specific for that phone itself. Get it exchanged for a new one. If AT&T wants to keep your account, they should help you.
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The main reason why I switched from iPhone to Android was all the drop calls & esp when calling another iPhone. Lucky for me, my Inspire has yet to experience any drop calls *Knocks on wood* in the Bay Area.
@OP
I would take the phone back & ask for another one. Maybe you were unlucky & got a lemon.
simonti said:
This is not English class. You sound like a fan boy. I read many post with grammatical errors and if I could reply with a helpful comment I will.
The phone is not perfect so stop acting like it is the best thing since slice bread.
The phone was marketed as at&t first 4g phone. Is it 4g? Not.
No cell phone is perfect but having slow 4g and black screen popping up while typing in landscape mode is really annoying. If these issue cannot be resolve then I would leave when I'm ready to
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Exchange it. No one else here is seeing this black screen and getting the error messages you're talking about. As for the network speed, T-Mobile's network is just faster than AT&T's in some places right now.
simonti said:
This is not English class. You sound like a fan boy. I read many post with grammatical errors and if I could reply with a helpful comment I will.
The phone is not perfect so stop acting like it is the best thing since slice bread.
The phone was marketed as at&t first 4g phone. Is it 4g? Not.
No cell phone is perfect but having slow 4g and black screen popping up while typing in landscape mode is really annoying. If these issue cannot be resolve then I would leave when I'm ready to
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The phone is 4G capable as advertised. Just because you have a 4G phone, it doesn't mean that you live in a 4G coverage area. 4G speeds don't just magically appear by themselves.
If you don't like the phone, take it back. Nobody is stopping you.
simonti said:
Why do my inspire 4g seem slower than my 3g nexus1 on t-mobile network? I get a better experience watching YouTube video on my 3g nexus1. On the inspire its slow to load and I get a lot of error message that pops up during a video. I paid $580 for my n1 so I could leave when I want. I think I have 15 days trial with this cell. I don't want to be trapped in a 2 yr contract and I'm not satisfy .
And what the help is up with this black screen while I'm trying to type? I thought it was just text messages but its happening now
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ATT has changed the inspire firmware so it has slow upload speeds. root fixes it so it will be like the nexus one. right now you are limited to 0.3Mbps upload speed, which sucks.
2kgt said:
The phone is 4G capable as advertised. Just because you have a 4G phone, it doesn't mean that you live in a 4G coverage area. 4G speeds don't just magically appear by themselves.
If you don't like the phone, take it back. Nobody is stopping you.
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This. If you don't like the phone, get rid of it. My guess is, you don't like it because it doesn't support your language... Which by the tone of your posts, is not english
Is anyone else getting tired of the "this phone is not 4G" line? I read the at&t page about their 4G plans and they are VERY CLEAR about what they are doing. No this phone does not have LTE, yes it will have HSPA+ as it gets rolled out. With this phone we are pretty much early adopters of AT&T's network. Those of us that have been early adopters before don't seem to be too worked up, those that clearly have not been early adopters are pretty ticked off it seems.
Do I wish I had faster download speeds? Sure I do, but I knew coming into this that there would be a bit of a delay with that because I READ the AT&T 4G page. Is this the perfect phone...??? Of course not, because we all know the perfect phone has a laser beam built into it and this one clearly does not, other than that glaring weakness I think it is pretty good.
simonti said:
This is not English class. You sound like a fan boy. I read many post with grammatical errors and if I could reply with a helpful comment I will.
The phone is not perfect so stop acting like it is the best thing since slice bread.
The phone was marketed as at&t first 4g phone. Is it 4g? Not.
No cell phone is perfect but having slow 4g and black screen popping up while typing in landscape mode is really annoying. If these issue cannot be resolve then I would leave when I'm ready to
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Let me chime in here. It's NOT the phone's fault. It definitely IS AT&T's fault. Their "4G" isn't really 4G. It is what they call HSPA+. Pretty much the device is AWESOME, but AT&T's service SUCKS.
Ok as alot in this post has said 4g is not turned on in many areas, the phone is 4g capable, even 3g phone isnt always on 3g it drops to regular edge, 4g simply means that it can connect to there towers at 4g if the tower has the software upgrade. Now for the other misconceptions, 4g what is it well different people have been defining it differently, lte is considered to be 4g while it can achieve speeds up to 100 mb theoretically it does not get that, any of the lte networks that are up are running much much lower then that, hspa+ which is also considered 4g which was done first by tmobile can achieve speed up to 45 mb theoretically. U wont see those speeds for some time its room for expansion is all it is they are not going to max those speeds anytime soon. So att is rolling out hspa+ which is technically 3.5g and calling it there 4g network and also rolling out Lte which both are considered 4g and using them to overlap each other.
Same thing as cable we keep getting upgrades I have over 50mb connection wasnt long ago it was way slower, no matter what they wanna call it, u will keep seeing speed increases as they upgrade to handle the load.
simonti said:
This is not English class. You sound like a fan boy. I read many post with grammatical errors and if I could reply with a helpful comment I will.
The phone is not perfect so stop acting like it is the best thing since slice bread.
The phone was marketed as at&t first 4g phone. Is it 4g? Not.
No cell phone is perfect but having slow 4g and black screen popping up while typing in landscape mode is really annoying. If these issue cannot be resolve then I would leave when I'm ready to
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So what do you want from us? Don't like it? Return it! Problem solved.
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simonti said:
This is not English class. You sound like a fan boy. I read many post with grammatical errors and if I could reply with a helpful comment I will.
The phone is not perfect so stop acting like it is the best thing since slice bread.
The phone was marketed as at&t first 4g phone. Is it 4g? Not.
No cell phone is perfect but having slow 4g and black screen popping up while typing in landscape mode is really annoying. If these issue cannot be resolve then I would leave when I'm ready to
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1. It is marketed as 4G because it supports att's 4th gen network which is rolling out this year and is available in major cities only at the moment. Until then, you will get 3.5G speeds on 850/1900mhz frequencies. Tmobile does NOT use this.
2. Black screen? Dunno what that's all about but I'd either get a video of it for us to see or return it for another one.
3. And this phone is the best thing since sliced bread brotha. Haha. Can you say 3000 in quadrant? Wow, lets see your N1 do that.
it doesnt support lte only hspa+
simonti said:
This is not English class. You sound like a fan boy. I read many post with grammatical errors and if I could reply with a helpful comment I will.
The phone is not perfect so stop acting like it is the best thing since slice bread.
The phone was marketed as at&t first 4g phone. Is it 4g? Not.
No cell phone is perfect but having slow 4g and black screen popping up while typing in landscape mode is really annoying. If these issue cannot be resolve then I would leave when I'm ready to
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I'm not sure how you got the phone, but AT&T's return policy is 30 Days, not 15. You have a while before you make a decision to return it. If your text box is acting up or whatever, I'd exchange it... that's not a common problem. As for 4G? I think everyone here has said enough about it. It's not the fastest phone... yet. Like I said before, you need the backhaul in place. AT&T is rolling that out, but they haven't said when and where.
Am I Fanboy? No. I have logic and reason to back up why I want to defend this phone's honor. There's a reason for all your complaints (except that black text box issue, get a new phone)
It's a great phone at a great value. How many android phones can you run at stock and have it be this smooth? Camera is wicked fast, display is great, gps is awesome, and for me? Internet is speedy, and will only get faster.
I'm happy with my phone. I'm sorry you aren't. You could return/exchange it. You have options, man.
Inspire 4G>Sliced Bread

Thinking Of Moving To The Thunderbolt Opinions Wanted

Longtime GSM user, both AT&T and T-Mobile. I have a terminal aversion to CDMA but LTE looks intriguing. I use, roughly, between 13-20GB per month. Voice usage is almost nonexistent. I do text frequently.
I've been eyeballing a fellow coworkers Thunderbolt. (I'm also enititled to a 20% discount through work.) My questions:
Are you guys happy with your Thunderbolts? Like the screen? Does the LTE SIM work like GSM, just find another LTE phone pop and go? (I phone hop like mad!) LTE coverage in Ohio is actually pretty good. Your ETF is $350? (Once the AT&T&T mereger is done 12-16 months down the road I may switch back. Any general thoughts to add?
I'm happy to listen to anyone!!
I was a longtime ATT user (and Cingular before that, THOSE were the days) before switching for the TBolt. I enjoy the screen, better than my old Blackberry and since I mainly use texting/email on it instead of video, I actually prefer the screen to a SAMOLED. In theory, LTE SIM switching should work, but there hasn't been another LTE VZW device to test that with (another week and we'll know). And yes, ETF is $350 now, just like ATT.
Out of curiosity, why would you switch back soon down the road? ATT's (even if they acquire T-Mobile) "4G" technology is so far behind LTE that it's laughable. That's why I switched, ATT spent too long dawdling around not really improving their network infrastructure, at least where I live.
I use about 120 to 80 Gb monthly now that this is my only net connection. The best thing about it is the price monthly. I'm paying for a data only plan which is 50 a month unlimited before my 25 percent discount. For texting I use Google voice app and I have GV forwarded to a sipgate #, running SIPdroid on the tbolt to get my calls. Result is unlimited calls text and internet tethering for 37 bucks a month. Ya the phone ain't cheap upfront but it really is like having a cable modem in your pocket. I love it
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I just got the T-bolt and I am impressed. Although I have not tasted any 4G yet, it is a very solid phone. The battery life is not great, but that is to be expected of such a device. Getting a bigger battery seems to be the only option. I love the screen and cannot wait to watch movies on it! Waiting for a netflix app
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Longtime GSM user, both AT&T and T-Mobile. I have a terminal aversion to CDMA but LTE looks intriguing. I use, roughly, between 13-20GB per month. Voice usage is almost nonexistent. I do text frequently.
I've been eyeballing a fellow coworkers Thunderbolt. (I'm also enititled to a 20% discount through work.) My questions:
Are you guys happy with your Thunderbolts? Like the screen? Does the LTE SIM work like GSM, just find another LTE phone pop and go? (I phone hop like mad!) LTE coverage in Ohio is actually pretty good. Your ETF is $350? (Once the AT&T&T mereger is done 12-16 months down the road I may switch back. Any general thoughts to add?
I'm happy to listen to anyone!!
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The LTE SIM does not work like GSM just yet. Verizon has it on a white list. They have to approve the device it will be in. They say that they are adding approved devices all the time but not sure which devices have been added. I think they are pushing more for the LTE SIM to be taken out of your phone and you put it in a camcorder, DSLR camera and make the devices shoot live feeds. I had read this on howard forums. I would love for HTC have it where you could custom build your phone and just pop in the LTE sim card. Just think pick your own screen, ram, internal memory, speaker, etc.
howardforums.com/showthread.php/1703825-Thunderbolt-and-ALL-future-4G-VZW-devices-require-a-UICC-SIM-card.
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I remember hating verizon for crippling the bluetooth on my v710? swearing never to go back. I've been GSM since cingular dropped tdma and I switched my 3360 and got a 6620. Then winmo starting with an htc wizard up until an HD2 that I converted to android. Wife has gone from thinking I'm nuts to giving up on my smartphone crack habit. Been mostly cingular/AT&T with a few bad romances with Tmo where I think "this time the reception will be better" (last time cause I really wanted the HD2). Then I walk out of the lumber yard and get 4 voicemails all saying generally wtf are you??
Then along comes the thunderbolt. I'm currently carrying an tmo HD2 running android and cause it's better than my fuze... a hacked beyond belief iphone on att. A friend hands me his verizon phone and I walk through my 7 story concrete/glass office building with the verizon, at&t, and tmo phone all showing signal strength. Tmo fades early as expected. There's a few times where verizon gets beat but most of the time it's got a 5 db advantage.
So a saleslady at the verizon store loans her thunderbolt and I try it in a fringe area (my house). Coverage is better with the thunderbolt and while at&t speedtests better and seems to load faster initially, verizon never hiccups and pauses like at&t and loads every single webpage before at&t completes.
So then the pro's cons.
I have 7 gsm phones all unlocked that I can bring up either att or tmo on but my att contract is up and my tmo is just a $5/mo family line that I just use text on.
unlimited data. I dont have 4g here but it's a chance to grandfather in on unlimited high speed data. Previous calls to at&t complaining about having 4 iphone non-tech unlimited users on my plan where I'm the geek yet I'm the only one without unlim data fall on deaf ears. I may not use the 5 gig I've got but it's a pain having to worry.
Verizon? Really? After laughing at people who were forced to use get it now to get their pictures off their phone? After swearing never to return when they crippled the firmware on the v710? And CDMA?
But the lure of unlimited data gets me to try a thunderbolt. I get in on a 1 year contract and I too get a healthy discount.
Fast forward 3 weeks. Rooted & flashed a non vzw rom after 4 days. 14 day return day came in went without a thought. The iphone is in my desk and the tmo hd2 will probably get turned into a winmo phone when I get time just to see if it's more than an xbox facebook extension. I find there are many times I havent even bothered to turn on wifi since web pages load without pauses, hiccups or waiting. Was going to hold out for a dual core but I've got no complaints. The screen colors seem much more vibrant than my hd2. I got the extended battery but even with not being able to put the phone down be it texting or internet I still last all day on the regular battery. Besides, by now I've got a usb charger about every 5 feet at home.
very tough call and it took a lot to get past going back to verizon and cdma but I'm glad I did. Sorry if I stepped on any toes windows phone, iphone, tmo fanboys, and grammar nazi's. Just MHO. Got a microcell to help not drop calls and still do on att. Verizon goes without extra help and doesnt drop calls. Texts are quick but break at 160chars. I use the phone to monitor several production unix machines so quick sms was imperative.
Drop me a line if you have other q's. I'm generally a lurker but always up for helping. Feel your pain in deciding..
Well this is my first smartphone so I don't have any comparison. But I love it. Love the screen and it's 4.3" of manlyness. I really never understood why people have such animosity for CDMA vs GSM. Yes I get the whole SIM card thing, but is that the only reason?
For me, it was the problem of no data while on a call. Never again AT&T, never again.
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Longtime GSM user, both AT&T and T-Mobile. I have a terminal aversion to CDMA but LTE looks intriguing. I use, roughly, between 13-20GB per month. Voice usage is almost nonexistent. I do text frequently.
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Just curious, but what do you have against CDMA other than you cant port to other carriers as easy as GSM? I found CDMA voice is generally better than GSM. The ThunderBolt still uses voice for CDMA so other than it being fast for data over what is considered GSM, it's still pretty much a CDMA phone in the sense it's locked to verizon (probably more so since you cant take it to other CMDA carriers either).
ATT will be going to LTE sometime next year as well though, so eventually when phones are using LTE for voice and data, you would be able to switch between carriers (assuming they both support the same frequency of LTE, there's 2 of them) and different phones on the same carrier
I love my tbolt. I went from a D1 to the TB, and was a little scared of leaving all the great ROMs, kernels and support on my D1 (was running CM7 nightlies with the deprimed kernel on droidforums and that thing ran more amazing than it ever did) but made the jump to get in on 4G before a rumored switch to tiered plans. And I couldn't be happier, I do miss CM and prime's kernels, but the devs have been putting out some great things on the TB. Adrynalyne and thatdudebutch have an amazing ROM with das BAMF 1.5 remix and I'm running imoseyon's lean xtreme kernel. And since development is young on this phone, I can only see it getting better
I wish I could recomend this phone over my Droid x but the battery life is so pitiful in comparison. Don't get me wrong I love the thunderbolt and having 4g is nice (Seattle) but having to be tethered to the wall on charger almost constantly is just annoying. My Droid x would go all day and had better outdoor visibility. The auto brightness on the tbolt is wack. The new blur on gingerbread also puts sense to shame. Onevgreat thing about the tbolt is the camera is really good and very fast. While the Droid x takes great shots it slow to snap them.
In short I'd recomend the Droid x over the thunderbolt.
My upgrade is in 4 days, and im thinking of the thunderbolt, i have no 4g in my area, they say by the holidays maybe.
That being said i love my incredible but want a bigger screen, is this work upgrading or should i wait until the next 4g phones come out. I only want an HTC phone.
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ATT will be going to LTE sometime next year as well though, so eventually when phones are using LTE for voice and data, you would be able to switch between carriers (assuming they both support the same frequency of LTE, there's 2 of them) and different phones on the same carrier
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I have heard that AT&T will *not* use the same bands as Verizon. Here is an article stating something less general, but indicative of this discrepancy:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story...ice-wont-roam-verizons-lte-network/2010-10-26
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My upgrade is in 4 days, and im thinking of the thunderbolt, i have no 4g in my area, they say by the holidays maybe.
That being said i love my incredible but want a bigger screen, is this work upgrading or should i wait until the next 4g phones come out. I only want an HTC phone.
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Personally, I think it's worth it. The thing's fast, smooth, and powerful (insert joke here). It works well on 3g, and when 4g comes to you (or you travel to a 4g market), you will DEFINITELY not regret it!
I would consider waiting on galaxy 2. That thing looks like a complete beast.
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I wish I could recomend this phone over my Droid x but the battery life is so pitiful in comparison. Don't get me wrong I love the thunderbolt and having 4g is nice (Seattle) but having to be tethered to the wall on charger almost constantly is just annoying. My Droid x would go all day and had better outdoor visibility. The auto brightness on the tbolt is wack. The new blur on gingerbread also puts sense to shame. Onevgreat thing about the tbolt is the camera is really good and very fast. While the Droid x takes great shots it slow to snap them.
In short I'd recomend the Droid x over the thunderbolt.
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Get the extended battery my phone now lasts 30+ hours when my Droid X would be luck to last 15 even with liberty installed.
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Im just curious to what dual core phones will be coming out by HTC. I am also worried about these random reboots.
One other thing, but how is the developer community on this phone, im sure its huge being the only 4gphone.
Edit: make that second on vzw
Since it's verizon a dual core htc is a year away lol
And samsung is samsung...
Thunderbolt «» das BAMF Remix
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One other thing, but how is the developer community on this phone, im sure its huge being the only 4gphone.
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The dev community here is freaking awesome. They've been busting ass to get stuff working, tweaked, and corrected. Great group of guys.
Alrighty then, anybody have the extended battery, how does it feel, i love mine on my incredible.
Well, my Incredible is up on Craigslist, if i sell it ill be on the thunderbolt!

Switched to Verizon with poor phone choice

For the last 12 years, I have been a Sprint customer. I haven't had any serious issues with them until they started rolling out the tower updates to LTE. Since then, I have not been about to get satellite locks or use their web network without becoming absolutely frustrated. After a bit of web searching, I decided it was time to make the move to Verizon, since I need the web, on the road, for work. I made the choice of the Galaxy S III. It's a great looking phone and the specs speak for themselves. But, I got terrible service in and around my home. Every phone call in my house was breaking up and dropping. I figured it must be Verizon because this phone was a step up from my Sprint Epic 4G touch and even from the same manufacturer. I made calls to customer service and they wrote up a ticket to check service in my area. My nextdoor neighbor came home with his new iPhone (I will never buy an iPhone or any mac product) and showed me that he had almost full bars. I asked him to come to my house and see if he still had great service. No change in or around my home. This caused me to think there was something faulty with my device. I immediately went to the Verizon store with my device for troubleshooting. I told the service rep what had happened and that I wanted to get my phone tested and possibly get a replacement. She told me that the problems I was experiencing were common with Samsung phones because they have weak antennas. She mentioned that the best phones for reception are going to be the iPhones and the Motorolas. I believe this to be true because in my pre-smartphone days, I had a sanyo flip phone and my work partner had the latest samsung doohicky that looked sweet but, where he would have little to no service, I would have full bars. Until I got my first smartphone, I stuck with sanyo phones from Sprint and never had any issues.
Now the lineup of Verizon phones is pretty much last year's model for the top of the liners. So, I've gone back to Sprint until the Razor Maxx HD arrives. It looks to be a beast of a phone that surpasses the galaxy S III and is sure to have a good antenna/radio to go along with it. I just hope it doesn't take very long.
And you made this thread why? Are you asking something of the community? If not, this thread should be deleted
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And you made this thread why? Are you asking something of the community? If not, this thread should be deleted
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I don't think the thread should be deleted (but that's just me). I didn't know Samsung phones had this issue and its always good to know general info. Thanks to the OP for it. Next time an issue like this happens with me or any of my friends and if they have a Samsung phone, I would know at least one more variable to take into consideration.
I agree 100%, my service is terrible. My og Droid always had great reception, this phone (although no calls dropped) Fluctuates a lot. I love this phone though, and have no intentions of changing. I just wish it was a bit better is all
I don't see how the RARZ Maxx surpasses the S3. It is a nice phone but doesn't bring anything new to the table that the S3 doesn't already have except the large battery but, battery is not an issue with the S3 anyway.
I'm on Sprint and thinking about switching to Verizon so this is helpful to think about. I might not have considered a Motorola but now I think I'll at least give them a closer look.
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Not sure of the issues or rumors about their radio or antenna, but at least my Galaxy S III has been connecting as well as my old feature phones - by which I mean, solidly.
4G is sometimes less available than I want - e.g., there's a space of 3 blocks nearby where it's dead (odd) - but that's the only issue.
- ooofest
motorola phones are well known for getting exceptional reception.
if you live in an area where the signal strength is poor, i can understand when people end up hating certain phones.
in my case, i have never had any issues with the gs3 when it comes to reception.
BEFORE PEOPLE START BASHING TO OP, HE/SHE ISN'T SAYING THE GS3 IS A BAD PHONE FOR ITS HARDWARE (except the antenna). Yes, it is a beast of a phone.
But at the end of the day, it's still a phone and if you can't send/receive phone calls.. well, it should be replaced.
A relationship without trust is like a cell phone without service ... all you do is play games
I am a diehard Motorola guy but I went ahead and tried the SGS3. What the OP is stating is true, the Samsung radio sucks in comparison to Motorola. I am now fortunate enough to have strong enough Verizon signal at my house so I was able to keep my SGS3. Now I get 3 bars at home when with my Motorola DroidX was always full. I looked at the Droid RAZR MAXX hard and heavy, kept trying to talk myself into it, but ... it just didn't feel right in my hand. I am satisfied with my SGS3 but I still hope Motorola comes out with something good for my next upgrade.
I agree, I think this post is fine for the Verizon Galaxy S III General section of the forum!
Future modem updates will surely remedy the issue. It was the same way with the Fascinate, crappy until the radio got a couple updates.
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I get good reception at my house with the S3, but my territory at work is 920ish square miles of rural area. I've noticed areas where I had 3G before switching to Sprint 3 years ago when I had a Motorola phone I do not now that I'm back with Verizon. If anything, I would have thought in the 3 years it would have improved. Like the OP, I believe it to be the phone, not the service as other guys at work don't have that problem and don't have skips when streaming music like I do on the same roads.
I'm also waiting for the Razr HD Maxx to release. Our local retail agent has their demo already so they suspect it to be within a month or so. I'm eBaying this S3 as soon as it is released since I'm outside my window to return it.
In the meantime, hopefully the latest OTA helps reception.
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Future modem updates will surely remedy the issue. It was the same way with the Fascinate, crappy until the radio got a couple updates.<br />
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Hope you're right. Sometimes I wanna go back to my rezound.
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I have the same problem. Switched from Sprint to Verizon. GSIII. Unless the signal is nearly full strength, calls are unusable and data is inconsistent, and texts won't send. It's definitely the phone's fault, not the network.
Might be good for some folks here to call Verizon and submit a complaint, etc. When I called about a networking issue a couple months back, they told me a wi-fi and other reception/signal related issues were planned for an October update (which they called the second update from Samsung, so that seems to mesh with our getting the current OTA in September), but maybe those plans or the update contents have changed.
And, since the OTA, they can more easily diagnose issues with your phone remotely .
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Am I the only one that's satisfied with the GS3's signal strength? I came from a droid incredible and now I seem to have better signal across the board.
I've noticed that the phone manages signal poorly rather than the radios themselves being poor.
Example: If I use phone info and manually set my phone to 4g only or LTE w/ CDMA I will lock onto 4g and have a solid signal. If I rely on the default setting (LTE/EVDO/CDMA) to manage networks automatically I will end up with a weak 3g signal (with full data drops) despite medium/strong 4g being available.
Hopefully the future OTAs will take care of the network selection logic.
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Am I the only one that's satisfied with the GS3's signal strength? I came from a droid incredible and now I seem to have better signal across the board.
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One more fully satisfied customer here.
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When I compare this phone to a Razr Maxx or my old Droid X2, the difference in dbm is about -5. I live in an area with good coverage so I really haven't had any issues. What this phone SUCKS at is sticking with 4g and the hand off from 4g to 3g. It switches to 3g too quickly...should hold on to 4g. When it switches there's a pretty good lag during the switch so you lose data briefly.
The modem update gave me an additional 1-2 bars in my house at times (Still fluctuations, but it would anyhow here). I can't say it's any worse than my Droid Inc.
As for Verizon having a "poor phone choice"... Meh. It goes in cycles. Sometimes they have all the good phones, sometimes AT&T does. It's all variant as to when you are looking to buy.
lets be honest here. No company is 100% stable in all areas. Theres always a tradeoff, and as our lives change, as well as our residences, places of work, and hangouts, our choice of company may change to meet our new needs. In my area Verizon meets my needs best, but my neighbor might have a different story.
I think its unfair to judge a carrier in absolutes unless you're talking about a very densely populated area like a major city. If you set foot in the middle of manhattan and have 1 bar, I think that's an appropriate time to speak in absolutes.
And on the topic of smartphones, I think its an exercise in futility. My S3 is the best phone I've ever owned, despite the small glitches and imperfections. Did I buy it because it was the best phone out there? Absolutely. Did I know at the time of purchase it could be obsolete by the time I reached my car? I counted on it. Am I boring you all by answering my own rhetorical questions? Undoubtedly.
As long as you're happy with your phone and it meets your needs, good for you. If you're unhappy do something about it. But be warned, if you spend time comparing your phone to another one already out or soon to come out, you'll almost never feel good with the results.

Why even GS2 get premium suite and we don't?

Who's to blame?
Agreed. Once our two years is up with VZW, I plan to hit the ground running...back to AT&T.
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Agreed. Once our two years is up with VZW, I plan to hit the ground running...back to AT&T.
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Last I checked ATT hasn't gotten the "premium suite" either. I don't think they even have the official 4.1.2 update like we do. I put premium suite in quotes because premium suite probably means different things for different devices. We technically did receive a "premium suite" upgrade with the BLK3 firmware, but this only included Swype 1.4, and some other stuff I don't remember.
I guess the benefit of ATT/TMobile in this regard is that you could use the international S3 on their networks, and that will get frequent updates from Samsung directly.
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Last I checked ATT hasn't gotten the "premium suite" either. I don't think they even have the official 4.1.2 update like we do. I put premium suite in quotes because premium suite probably means different things for different devices. We technically did receive a "premium suite" upgrade with the BLK3 firmware, but this only included Swype 1.4, and some other stuff I don't remember.
I guess the benefit of ATT/TMobile in this regard is that you could use the international S3 on their networks, and that will get frequent updates from Samsung directly.
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I assume he just means month to month with an unlocked device. Otherwise it is simply illogical. To go from one overbearing carrier that holds the latest sweet treats from you to another is not a viable solution. Personally I would just root and install any premium suites along with a more refined OS, and stick with the superior network.... Rule the air!
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ManiakalSealion said:
I assume he just means month to month with an unlocked device. Otherwise it is simply illogical. To go from one overbearing carrier that holds the latest sweet treats from you to another is not a viable solution. Personally I would just root and install any premium suites along with a more refined OS, and stick with the superior network.... Rule the air!
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I have to keep wondering why the other handset makers aren't allowed the same freedom Apple is? I mean, when Apple puts out a new version of iOS, all iPhones get the update directly from Apple. They do not have to wait for the carriers to "test" or "verify compatibility" with their networks. The phones get the update and the customers get the latest software. Also, ever notice that iPhones are not jammed full of carrier bloatware? Maybe Apple told the carriers that they wouldn't get the iPhone unless Apple was able to completely control the software on the phone. So carriers caved just to get it. What about now though? Seems Android has surpassed the iPhone. Think it is about time the handset makers told the carriers that enough is enough. It's not like the carriers are in a great position to refuse. No phones, no business. At least then it would make it easier for the manufacturers and lessen the number of variants they need to make. Apple has already proven that it can be done and that the carriers will cave. Just a thought.
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I have to keep wondering why the other handset makers aren't allowed the same freedom Apple is? I mean, when Apple puts out a new version of iOS, all iPhones get the update directly from Apple. They do not have to wait for the carriers to "test" or "verify compatibility" with their networks. The phones get the update and the customers get the latest software. Also, ever notice that iPhones are not jammed full of carrier bloatware? Maybe Apple told the carriers that they wouldn't get the iPhone unless Apple was able to completely control the software on the phone. So carriers caved just to get it. What about now though? Seems Android has surpassed the iPhone. Think it is about time the handset makers told the carriers that enough is enough. It's not like the carriers are in a great position to refuse. No phones, no business. At least then it would make it easier for the manufacturers and lessen the number of variants they need to make. Apple has already proven that it can be done and that the carriers will cave. Just a thought.
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You are exactly right, Apple played hardball and only allowed carriers that let them update on their schedule and gave them control infer the firmware (no bloat).
They could do this because they had the leverage, the carriers wanted the iPhone more than Apple needed them. Now some carriers like Verizon actually held out of selling the iPhone for a while because of this reason.
This is more difficult for Android manufacturers because before the S3 there hasn't been a phone that really commanded respect from the carriers. Companies like HTC can't even get their flagship phone carried by Verizon. Now Samsung had the leverage, let's see if they start throwing their weight around.
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Exactly. If the manufacturer wants the leverage to totally control their software, they need to release a phone that people are willing to switch carriers for
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Exactly. If the manufacturer wants the leverage to totally control their software, they need to release a phone that people are willing to switch carriers for
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Maybe if all the manufacturers got together and told the carriers "No more phones until we have control of our software." I know that will never happen but what if.........
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Who's to blame?
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You are.
funnyperson1 said:
Last I checked ATT hasn't gotten the "premium suite" either. I don't think they even have the official 4.1.2 update like we do. I put premium suite in quotes because premium suite probably means different things for different devices. We technically did receive a "premium suite" upgrade with the BLK3 firmware, but this only included Swype 1.4, and some other stuff I don't remember.
I guess the benefit of ATT/TMobile in this regard is that you could use the international S3 on their networks, and that will get frequent updates from Samsung directly.
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I assume he just means month to month with an unlocked device. Otherwise it is simply illogical. To go from one overbearing carrier that holds the latest sweet treats from you to another is not a viable solution. Personally I would just root and install any premium suites along with a more refined OS, and stick with the superior network.... Rule the air!
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I guess I should have been more clear: In my experience (and everyone's is different), AT&T has always been the one to have their crap together. It took my small town a while to get 3G through AT&T, but their EDGE network was equivalent to Verizon's 3G. It still is there and here (near Fort Bragg, NC). I've never managed to get above 1Mbps with Verizon's 3G in either place. Their 4G LTE is great, but it fails to penetrate buildings (here) well at all.
At the place I work (small retail store, size of Family Dollar/Dollar General), I get nearly full LTE signal at the front of the store, but when I hit the halfway point, it just drops. When I'm on campus, 2-4 bars of LTE, but inside a building, I'm lucky to keep a consistent 1-2 bar 3G signal. AT&T just got LTE here a few months ago, but overcast, rain, shine, or deep inside of a building, their 3G, '4G' and LTE have never managed to have less than 4 bars.
Every time I bring this up, though, there are people that have nearly opposite experiences, too. I'm not saying Verizon is a terrible provider, but because of poor setups, or network saturation, it has become nearly unbearable to enjoy a 'smartphone' on their networks.
TL;DR: AT&T is multiply better than VZW in SouthEastern NC.
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I have to keep wondering why the other handset makers aren't allowed the same freedom Apple is? I mean, when Apple puts out a new version of iOS, all iPhones get the update directly from Apple. They do not have to wait for the carriers to "test" or "verify compatibility" with their networks. The phones get the update and the customers get the latest software. Also, ever notice that iPhones are not jammed full of carrier bloatware? Maybe Apple told the carriers that they wouldn't get the iPhone unless Apple was able to completely control the software on the phone. So carriers caved just to get it. What about now though? Seems Android has surpassed the iPhone. Think it is about time the handset makers told the carriers that enough is enough. It's not like the carriers are in a great position to refuse. No phones, no business. At least then it would make it easier for the manufacturers and lessen the number of variants they need to make. Apple has already proven that it can be done and that the carriers will cave. Just a thought.
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I've always wished Android phones, or at least Nexus devices were able to have this privilege. At the same time, Android has the wonderful world of rooting, and now that I've finally taken the dive, it's hard to look back at iOS for me.
I would NOT be surprised if Samsung stopped selling their big named phones at Verizon after whatever contract they probably have. We can all see Verizon pampers Motorola over Samsung. All I see from them is Update for DROID RAZR HD every 2 months. Just one the other day.
We had what 1 or 2 real ones and this new one which is worthless because it doesn't actually bring us up to International 4.1.2?
pez910 said:
I guess I should have been more clear: In my experience (and everyone's is different), AT&T has always been the one to have their crap together. It took my small town a while to get 3G through AT&T, but their EDGE network was equivalent to Verizon's 3G. It still is there and here (near Fort Bragg, NC). I've never managed to get above 1Mbps with Verizon's 3G in either place. Their 4G LTE is great, but it fails to penetrate buildings (here) well at all.
At the place I work (small retail store, size of Family Dollar/Dollar General), I get nearly full LTE signal at the front of the store, but when I hit the halfway point, it just drops. When I'm on campus, 2-4 bars of LTE, but inside a building, I'm lucky to keep a consistent 1-2 bar 3G signal. AT&T just got LTE here a few months ago, but overcast, rain, shine, or deep inside of a building, their 3G, '4G' and LTE have never managed to have less than 4 bars.
Every time I bring this up, though, there are people that have nearly opposite experiences, too. I'm not saying Verizon is a terrible provider, but because of poor setups, or network saturation, it has become nearly unbearable to enjoy a 'smartphone' on their networks.
TL;DR: AT&T is multiply better than VZW in SouthEastern NC.
I've always wished Android phones, or at least Nexus devices were able to have this privilege. At the same time, Android has the wonderful world of rooting, and now that I've finally taken the dive, it's hard to look back at iOS for me.
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I feel you, reception has always been a regional thing. Where I currently live and work ATT is pretty much useless indoors, I could be standing outside a (stone) building with 5bars of 3G, and when I stepped inside the door I would be searching for signal. On the other hand Verizon has had 4G LTE here for like 2+ years and I usually get 2-3 bars of LTE indoors. Verizon LTE here is better than all but the most expensive cable internet packages.
Elite49 said:
I would NOT be surprised if Samsung stopped selling their big named phones at Verizon after whatever contract they probably have. We can all see Verizon pampers Motorola over Samsung. All I see from them is Update for DROID RAZR HD every 2 months. Just one the other day.
We had what 1 or 2 real ones and this new one which is worthless because it doesn't actually bring us up to International 4.1.2?
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Except the lack of multi-window seems to be entirely in Samsung's court at the moment. I may be wrong but none of the US S3's have multi-window support in the stock firmware. My guess is that it may be easier to implement multi-window in the Quad-core international version than it is on our dual-core phones.
I'm asking this seriously, not just complaining.
Someone will easily think out VZW, but ATT etc. also don't get it. Someone goes with dual core, but ours should be better than GS2 right?
And even with root you don't have a reliable and bug free solution for those PS features, especially Multi-Window.
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guess I was wrong, see a new mod in app and theme section, fot MW, flashing now!
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Yeah, I'm struggling over this 3G right now, and even still I'm not sure of I successfully quoted this post. How I wish my experience with Verizon was the complete opposite.
On top of that, Apple only has one device that recieves updates; unlike Android, which has one update for several devices under different manufacturers. I wouldn't give up Touchwiz for anything, but the Nexus is clearly the way to go right now.
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Hmm cleanrom seems to have some of the premium suite features. Sound balance, best faces, not sure what else.
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