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If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.

Im not happy about this, if it is or going to happen but even if we root the device, carriers don't have to allow it on their service. After all we did modify the device and thats all they need to use agaianst us...

Yes and since when can they see what we are doing and what else could they find out using that aoftware

oh noes...my porn watching days are coming to an end....

Regarding Tmo, yes they allow tethering for free, but throttle you after 5gb. So I'm not going to jump over there. I don't think rooting should be prevented, but it is understandable that vzw would want to stop unpaid tethering. Unlike Tmo they do charge extra for that.
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Honestly, I think they should just make hotspot free after they start tiered plans. They'll get a their money either way.
But this move is something I can totally understand. Do I like it, no. It's a real shame how closed Android is becoming. I never thought we would get to this point, but this time next year, Android might not be open as we'd like it.
Only hope of keeping Android Android is the Nexus line. Hopefully Google starts to bring it to all carriers in a yearly fashion.
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So I guess the question is, since the thunderbolt was htc most locked down phone to date, is if any of this root identifying software is located deep inside its code? I'm coming from sprint and the epic 4G and there was code hidden in there called carrier IQ that pretty much logged everything you did on the phone, your calls trxt, usage, whatever. Sounds alarming that it had that ability but what was weird is that even though it was running and functional the actual logging was turned off. I, and a lot of other people, wondered why this would be in a phone and after reading this im thinking sprint made samsung put it in there. So now I'm curious about what verizon asked htc to hide in the thunderbolt?
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2 things. Verizon can see on there computer what software your on. So that right there will immediately through up a red flag. Another thing I'm kinda leaning toward Verizon on this one. For example when 4G hits my area. Verizon customers will increase. Doing so if my neighbor is tethering off his phone constantly then he's taking up all the bandwidth and my quality of service will depreciate. Now if he was capped and paying for tethering he would use it more conservative. I believe this is what Verizon is getting at. It's not about control , its about quality of network service for others.

There's probably no way to sue them bastards... It's their network and this is just a cap in data usage (like they haven't done that already.)
Verizon has been evil since the very beginning. All they wanted was our money, and probably our soul.

tyvallely said:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
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If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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Complete nonsense (ok not complete, just a lot of it), both this post and the post you link to.
I brought this up with a few friends at Verizon (in various departments) yesterday, all had the same response .. a chuckle.

This whole thread is a fail. I freaking hate nonsense rumors.
FoxRacR17 said:
So I guess the question is, since the thunderbolt was htc most locked down phone to date, is if any of this root identifying software is located deep inside its code? I'm coming from sprint and the epic 4G and there was code hidden in there called carrier IQ that pretty much logged everything you did on the phone, your calls trxt, usage, whatever. Sounds alarming that it had that ability but what was weird is that even though it was running and functional the actual logging was turned off. I, and a lot of other people, wondered why this would be in a phone and after reading this im thinking sprint made samsung put it in there. So now I'm curious about what verizon asked htc to hide in the thunderbolt?
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No, no root identifying software on the phone.
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These threats are insignificant. Blocking users from rooting their phone would be a loss for all, as it is one of the major reasons for buying Android. If they did so to stop users from tethering, then we'll be seeing a spike in T-Mobile customers as they allow you to tether at your leisure for no additional cost. Being on an open source operating system, it would be illegal for them to tell you how you can use your technology and what modifications you're allowed to make to it.
I'll stay rooted and I will continue to tether via USB and rack up my apparently corporate-rattling 1GB of stolen bandwidth to demo THEIR products. Interesting concept.
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Nothing in Apache or GPLv2 prevents them from telling you how you can use your technology, or prevents them from locking down the device.
magicriggs said:
2 things. Verizon can see on there computer what software your on. So that right there will immediately through up a red flag. Another thing I'm kinda leaning toward Verizon on this one. For example when 4G hits my area. Verizon customers will increase. Doing so if my neighbor is tethering off his phone constantly then he's taking up all the bandwidth and my quality of service will depreciate. Now if he was capped and paying for tethering he would use it more conservative. I believe this is what Verizon is getting at. It's not about control , its about quality of network service for others.
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Verizon can not tell if you are on a custom rom or not.

cuguy said:
There's probably no way to sue them bastards... It's their network and this is just a cap in data usage (like they haven't done that already.)
Verizon has been evil since the very beginning. All they wanted was our money, and probably our soul.
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Not sure if evil is the right word...sure it sucks but they are a business, not a charity.
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I dont have my TB yet, but i plan to root it and run Das BAMF, but not tether anything. Hopefully they dont just lump rooted phones together.

Jcase bringing the truth
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Hey lets pretend the article is 100% accurate which because P3Droid wrote it I would say has some possibility of being the case, as of this point verizon is not doing anything besides tracking. And no one knows when and if they will do anything else. Theirs a whole lot of what they can do, but besides having a legal and finance department, they also have a marketing department which wont let them unleash a PR nightmare. Taking 1/10 (which is what I believe the current agreed upon number of root users, i may be wrong with this figure) of your smartphone users and either canceling their contracts or killing service on their devices with threat of an ETF would probably amount to over 1 million users with root access being effected. It just wont happen that way, its not logical for them to do it, because with that many users effected it would be all over TV and such.
The only hope that you could sue them would be if they hit you with a ETF, which they probably wouldn't. Most likely their looking for people sharing wifi on their devices with 3rd party apps just like AT&T did and will tack on the mifi hotspot cost to your bill if you continue to do do, and say if you don't like it break your own contract.
If they were to all out attack everyone with root access I would really be shocked, specifically because they would have to most likely cancel everyone contract with no ETF and then users would just flock to sprint. Who regardless of what this article says probably wont follow suit, at least for a few years because of their market share and the Tmobile & at&t merger.
Again the end of this is just my two cents but the beginning is true VZ isnt doing anything besides information gathering at this point.

I work at Verizon. I can pull up basically everything you see on your about info. Including software.

magicriggs said:
I work at Verizon. I can pull up basically everything you see on your about info. Including software.
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You might be able to pull up the build finger print, or radio version, but those shouldn't differ. The fingerprints should stay consistent. You can't see that user123 is using RomX instead of stock.

Private message me and ill pull up your account.

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Private message me and ill pull up your account.
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Yes, I will get right on that, handing you (a stranger, and possibly an employee at Verizon) my name/number </sarcasm>.

cuguy said:
There's probably no way to sue them bastards... It's their network and this is just a cap in data usage (like they haven't done that already.)
Verizon has been evil since the very beginning. All they wanted was our money, and probably our soul.
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yes its their network but we paid for our phones and we should be able to do whatever we want with them

Talk and Surf.. why doesnt Verizon Promote this?

We all know that the Thunderbolt can talk and surf over 3G and 4G.. why doesnt Verizon promote this? This seems like it'd be a cool selling point since ATT constantly uses this as a knock against VZ's network.
Does talk and surf not work in all markets? Does Verizon not want to confuse owners of other phones? I cant see why they dont advertise this more..

i know right i rub it in peoples faces lol

It isn't quite up to Verizon standards. At least that was what was on the initial info material for the Thunderbolt. Seems to work fine the couple times I've tried it.

There have been creative differences on how to present the "Can you hear me now? Good.. Oh, and I just got your e-mail" tv commercials.
Plus only having 1 phone that can do it ATM might be a little premature gloating for the entire network.. Although yes I do it.

It would also advertise to most folks that aren't aware (the non-techies) that talk & data is not available on every other phone... It's a fine line. It's as if Verizon would admit that the lack of this feature is a problem that only 1 phone could resolve.
I'm guessing the marketing weenies took a hard look at this
just my $.02

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It's as if Verizon would admit that the lack of this feature is a problem that only 1 phone could resolve.
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Technically that's the case because of the way the radios are used. The Thunderbolt could be the only one for a while capable of simultaneous voice & data over 3G.

I don't know many people who see that as a must have feature. Including friends who have ATT. Never seen anyone use it.

because AT&T iDouches need something to keep them feeling like they have the better phone/network..
verizon's just bein nice..and how would it look if they came along after all this time and advertised the one phone in the entire lineup that could do it?

There really isn't any point. LTE isn't large enough, only one phone out (as of now). And really how many times would you need to use it?

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There really isn't any point. LTE isn't large enough, only one phone out (as of now). And really how many times would you need to use it?
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it works over 3g too dude

I use it at least once a day. Doesn't the Charge do it also? If so thats two phones and I believe all the future LTE phones will be able to do it.

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I use it at least once a day. Doesn't the Charge do it also? If so thats two phones and I believe all the future LTE phones will be able to do it.
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It should do it when on LTE or Wifi but not necessarily 3G like the Thunderbolt. My understanding is that with the cpu and radio chips being made by Qualcomm, it was easier to get the voice and data working over 3G in addition to the other two.

Yeah I was over in one of the Charge forums and they were talking about how they could not talk and surf at the same time over 3G. The TBolt is definitely still unique in this regard.
As to why they don't push the issue in advertising, I agree that with only one device being able to do it over 3G, it's a little premature. Plus, they are trying to push 4G LTE and going back and touting 3G simultaneous data and voice would be taking a step back in some ways(especially when it's only one device).
When there are more LTE devices available I would expect to hear more about it's advantages, including voice+data.

this is a little bit off topic, is it just me or it seems to that there are no dual core phones with lte coming out? seem like the only one was the bionic and that got trashed

bogatyr said:
I don't know many people who see that as a must have feature. Including friends who have ATT. Never seen anyone use it.
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I always felt this was a useless feature too that att kept gloating about to make the pompous Iphone owners feel superior with their phones. I always would run into an iPhone user who would constantly compare his phone saying "can your phone do this.. can your phone do that".
I agree Verizon should hammer back that the tbolt can do that plus other things the iPhone can't. I think its worth while for Verizon to advertise who is superior now regardless if it is a useless feature.

you can talk and surf at the same time on the tbolt? haha i honestly did not know that. thanks for the tip!

I use it everyday many times... On conference calls, sending/receiving emails, looking things up, send maps links, etc. My crew calls for info, I can pull it up, countless things.
And yes, it works on both 4G and 3G. Always.
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I think AT&T tried to make it a bigger deal than it actually was.
I still have yet to use voice and data at the same time, even going back to my iPhone days.

They'll tout it once it becomes more common for the phones that Verizon has available. Since only one can do it now, they'd have to specifically focus on the Thunderbolt, and would have to say ONLY the Thunderbolt has that capability.
I too never saw the big deal of chatting on the phone and surfing the web at the same time, sure it's a cool feature, but for me personally I have the phone to my ear when I'm talking, and surfing would only be a distraction. I liked AT&T when I had them, but I've always hated the iPhone and detested the iPhone users that go out of their way to point out what it can do. Here's something for them, can it do 4G LTE? Yeah, didn't think so. Dual LED flash? Far more customization? No dice!

being able to take a phone call and use the navi is a huge plus... also looking up something on the web while on the phone is a great feature

What will be the next QWERTY slider for you? Rumors welcome...

Any thoughts on your next? My wife is due to upgrade her G2 in August and I'm due next August. We are both die-hard QWERTY fans. Thoughts for the future? Dreams/rumors welcome...
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rorytmeadows said:
Any thoughts on your next? My wife is due to upgrade her G2 in August and I'm due next August. We are both die-hard QWERTY fans. Thoughts for the future? Dreams/rumors welcome...
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I honestly really like this phone. It's fast, the screen is fine, the stock ROM isn't terrible, and there's hardware buttons. The screen honestly could have been a bit bigger, but it's not unpleasant to use at all. The camera is great as well.
I just wish there'd be a new phone that's 4"+ with a keyboard. A 5-row keyboard would be great.

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I honestly really like this phone. It's fast, the screen is fine, the stock ROM isn't terrible, and there's hardware buttons. The screen honestly could have been a bit bigger, but it's not unpleasant to use at all. The camera is great as well.
I just wish there'd be a new phone that's 4"+ with a keyboard. A 5-row keyboard would be great.
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+1

Limewirelord said:
I honestly really like this phone. It's fast, the screen is fine, the stock ROM isn't terrible, and there's hardware buttons. The screen honestly could have been a bit bigger, but it's not unpleasant to use at all. The camera is great as well.
I just wish there'd be a new phone that's 4"+ with a keyboard. A 5-row keyboard would be great.
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Well yes, but what about in the future?
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ok, here is sort a dream: if Samsung would put the Sidekick 4G keyboard on the Galaxy S III! i would buy that SO fast! otherwise i just gotta wait and see what comes out i guess, there is nothing that i know of yet.
Tmobile did say the Sidekick line would continue, and if they could keep the great keyboard, AND bring up the other specs closer to a high-end device, i would get that.

I'm not a fan of QWERTY's honestly.
I only got this phone because it was a free upgrade from my MyTouch 4g which I got via a free upgrade from my G2
I only accepted the upgrade because its truly an upgrade in power specs. I haven't used the keyboard for more than 100 words in its entirety. So I will be moving to the all hailed GSIII IF it is all it is cracked to be. As I like giant screens with thin bodies. Maybe a HTC One XL because I am loving this premadonna sense right now its frickkng awesome.
Typed by ---- oh wait! I'm schizophrenic!

My hope would be for HTC to reconsider their decision and make another device with a hardware keyboard, something in the quad-core arena.
Keep the tv-out so the form factor can be kept small, and the smaller screen is off-set by plugging into a bigger one mostly anywhere.
I get the impression that hardware keyboard devices are a dying breed, and if they die out completely then so does my participation in the smart-phone arena.
I don't like cell phones, don't use the phone function of this one, and without a hardware keyboard the frustration level of using a pocket coputer like this is off the charts for me.
As convenient as this is for my job, I can be served by a transformer or something similar fine, and I have a bluetooth keyboard but it's not as worthwhile as an attached keyboard.
Samsung is my hope for the future as long as HTC intends to give us the finger...
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Droid 4, when we can start using it on gsm carriers. I think of all the qwerty phones, it's the best, because of its evolution and improvements over the generations.

gtmaster303 said:
Droid 4, when we can start using it on gsm carriers. I think of all the qwerty phones, it's the best, because of its evolution and improvements over the generations.
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The Droid line is marketed by Verizon, so we'll never see any official Droid phones off of CDMA networks.

Limewirelord said:
The Droid line is marketed by Verizon, so we'll never see any official Droid phones off of CDMA networks.
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I believe they're going to release a radio update that allows it to be used on gsm carriers.
Or I'm sure some xda member will figure out how to make the phone work on other networks.
Whatever the case may be, this will be much further down the road when everyone has moved on from this phone and if no other qwertys have come out since then

gtmaster303 said:
I believe they're going to release a radio update that allows it to be used on gsm carriers.
Or I'm sure some xda member will figure out how to make the phone work on other networks.
Whatever the case may be, this will be much further down the road when everyone has moved on from this phone and if no other qwertys have come out since then
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Lmfao. Ok its time for Some Tech Talk. Tmo and At&t both use GSM towers. Sprint and verizon use CDMA. With GSM you need a SIM Card. With CDMA there is no SIM Card. Long story short it has zero to do with Radio Flashing. I dont care what radio you flash unless verizon moves to GSM which will never happen no verizon droid phone will work with Tmo or At&t. Even if you find an unlocked verizon phone you still cant use it on a GSM Network. The hardware wont allow it. No amount of Software hacking will get you there either. It is beyond impossible.

Half right. There is such a thing as a world phone...both CDMA and GSM.
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Ima keep this phone until a WORTHY succesor is out like quadcore, hd display, good keyboard, etc
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rorytmeadows said:
Half right. There is such a thing as a world phone...both CDMA and GSM.
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Isn't the Doubleshot a world phone? I thought it was....
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20117521-85/smartphones-for-world-travelers-roundup/
After reading about world phones, this article seems to refer to quad band gsm phones. Our phone doesn't have CDMA... I guess I knew that though.

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Half right. There is such a thing as a world phone...both CDMA and GSM.
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You only need a GSM Phone to be considered a world phone. I think 2 countries including the US use CDMA the rest use GSM. So basically yes the DS is a world phone.

ReActiveDisorder said:
Lmfao. Ok its time for Some Tech Talk. Tmo and At&t both use GSM towers. Sprint and verizon use CDMA. With GSM you need a SIM Card. With CDMA there is no SIM Card. Long story short it has zero to do with Radio Flashing. I dont care what radio you flash unless verizon moves to GSM which will never happen no verizon droid phone will work with Tmo or At&t. Even if you find an unlocked verizon phone you still cant use it on a GSM Network. The hardware wont allow it. No amount of Software hacking will get you there either. It is beyond impossible.
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'sigh' even though I'm sick to the point of being bed bound, I still researched this for you. Do your home work before posting. Also, I know the difference between gsm and cdma. After over 400 posts on this site, it's remarkable how little credit you give me. But back to the point, there are cdma phones out there that have Sim slots, also known as world phones. It does depend on the hardware however. So a Sim slot =/= unlocked for domestic gsm use. Actually it never means that, because I've never come across a world phone that's already unlocked for domestic gsm. Usually you have to flash a new baseband to enable the radio to work properly (assuming the radio has the capability to run on your bands).
The thread is brewing as we speak. Maybe you guys would like to stir the pot
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25127887

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'sigh' even though I'm sick to the point of being bed bound, I still researched this for you. Do your home work before posting. Also, I know the difference between gsm and cdma. After over 400 posts on this site, it's remarkable how little credit you give me. But back to the point, there are cdma phones out there that have Sim slots, also known as world phones. It does depend on the hardware however. So a Sim slot =/= unlocked for domestic gsm use. Actually it never means that, because I've never come across a world phone that's already unlocked for domestic gsm. Usually you have to flash a new baseband to enable the radio to work properly (assuming the radio has the capability to run on your bands).
The thread is brewing as we speak. Maybe you guys would like to stir the pot
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25127887
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Fight the man!
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gtmaster303 said:
'sigh' even though I'm sick to the point of being bed bound, I still researched this for you. Do your home work before posting. Also, I know the difference between gsm and cdma. After over 400 posts on this site, it's remarkable how little credit you give me. But back to the point, there are cdma phones out there that have Sim slots, also known as world phones. It does depend on the hardware however. So a Sim slot =/= unlocked for domestic gsm use. Actually it never means that, because I've never come across a world phone that's already unlocked for domestic gsm. Usually you have to flash a new baseband to enable the radio to work properly (assuming the radio has the capability to run on your bands).
The thread is brewing as we speak. Maybe you guys would like to stir the pot
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25127887
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Yes you are correct. It was just the way you said it I assumed you were trying to say you could make a CDMA only device a "World phone" by simply flashing a radio.

Apple saw the value in iPhones with CDMA, and Google owns Motorola Mobility so the push for the Droid team to branch out past Verizon might be just the kick start they need.

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Apple saw the value in iPhones with CDMA, and Google owns Motorola Mobility so the push for the Droid team to branch out past Verizon might be just the kick start they need.
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Motorolla is in limbo - Google has repeatedly said they will not make a 'Google' branded hardware phone, they bought Motorolla for the patents. Most likely they will sell the hardware division of it off to Huwai (or however you spell it).
I wouldn't count on Motorolla making out from being a part of the Google empire, quite the opposite - they will be stripped of anything Google deems to be of value and what's left will be sold to the highest bidder.

Switched to Verizon with poor phone choice

For the last 12 years, I have been a Sprint customer. I haven't had any serious issues with them until they started rolling out the tower updates to LTE. Since then, I have not been about to get satellite locks or use their web network without becoming absolutely frustrated. After a bit of web searching, I decided it was time to make the move to Verizon, since I need the web, on the road, for work. I made the choice of the Galaxy S III. It's a great looking phone and the specs speak for themselves. But, I got terrible service in and around my home. Every phone call in my house was breaking up and dropping. I figured it must be Verizon because this phone was a step up from my Sprint Epic 4G touch and even from the same manufacturer. I made calls to customer service and they wrote up a ticket to check service in my area. My nextdoor neighbor came home with his new iPhone (I will never buy an iPhone or any mac product) and showed me that he had almost full bars. I asked him to come to my house and see if he still had great service. No change in or around my home. This caused me to think there was something faulty with my device. I immediately went to the Verizon store with my device for troubleshooting. I told the service rep what had happened and that I wanted to get my phone tested and possibly get a replacement. She told me that the problems I was experiencing were common with Samsung phones because they have weak antennas. She mentioned that the best phones for reception are going to be the iPhones and the Motorolas. I believe this to be true because in my pre-smartphone days, I had a sanyo flip phone and my work partner had the latest samsung doohicky that looked sweet but, where he would have little to no service, I would have full bars. Until I got my first smartphone, I stuck with sanyo phones from Sprint and never had any issues.
Now the lineup of Verizon phones is pretty much last year's model for the top of the liners. So, I've gone back to Sprint until the Razor Maxx HD arrives. It looks to be a beast of a phone that surpasses the galaxy S III and is sure to have a good antenna/radio to go along with it. I just hope it doesn't take very long.

And you made this thread why? Are you asking something of the community? If not, this thread should be deleted
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hopesrequiem said:
And you made this thread why? Are you asking something of the community? If not, this thread should be deleted
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I don't think the thread should be deleted (but that's just me). I didn't know Samsung phones had this issue and its always good to know general info. Thanks to the OP for it. Next time an issue like this happens with me or any of my friends and if they have a Samsung phone, I would know at least one more variable to take into consideration.

I agree 100%, my service is terrible. My og Droid always had great reception, this phone (although no calls dropped) Fluctuates a lot. I love this phone though, and have no intentions of changing. I just wish it was a bit better is all

I don't see how the RARZ Maxx surpasses the S3. It is a nice phone but doesn't bring anything new to the table that the S3 doesn't already have except the large battery but, battery is not an issue with the S3 anyway.

I'm on Sprint and thinking about switching to Verizon so this is helpful to think about. I might not have considered a Motorola but now I think I'll at least give them a closer look.
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Not sure of the issues or rumors about their radio or antenna, but at least my Galaxy S III has been connecting as well as my old feature phones - by which I mean, solidly.
4G is sometimes less available than I want - e.g., there's a space of 3 blocks nearby where it's dead (odd) - but that's the only issue.
- ooofest

motorola phones are well known for getting exceptional reception.
if you live in an area where the signal strength is poor, i can understand when people end up hating certain phones.
in my case, i have never had any issues with the gs3 when it comes to reception.
BEFORE PEOPLE START BASHING TO OP, HE/SHE ISN'T SAYING THE GS3 IS A BAD PHONE FOR ITS HARDWARE (except the antenna). Yes, it is a beast of a phone.
But at the end of the day, it's still a phone and if you can't send/receive phone calls.. well, it should be replaced.

A relationship without trust is like a cell phone without service ... all you do is play games
I am a diehard Motorola guy but I went ahead and tried the SGS3. What the OP is stating is true, the Samsung radio sucks in comparison to Motorola. I am now fortunate enough to have strong enough Verizon signal at my house so I was able to keep my SGS3. Now I get 3 bars at home when with my Motorola DroidX was always full. I looked at the Droid RAZR MAXX hard and heavy, kept trying to talk myself into it, but ... it just didn't feel right in my hand. I am satisfied with my SGS3 but I still hope Motorola comes out with something good for my next upgrade.
I agree, I think this post is fine for the Verizon Galaxy S III General section of the forum!

Future modem updates will surely remedy the issue. It was the same way with the Fascinate, crappy until the radio got a couple updates.
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I get good reception at my house with the S3, but my territory at work is 920ish square miles of rural area. I've noticed areas where I had 3G before switching to Sprint 3 years ago when I had a Motorola phone I do not now that I'm back with Verizon. If anything, I would have thought in the 3 years it would have improved. Like the OP, I believe it to be the phone, not the service as other guys at work don't have that problem and don't have skips when streaming music like I do on the same roads.
I'm also waiting for the Razr HD Maxx to release. Our local retail agent has their demo already so they suspect it to be within a month or so. I'm eBaying this S3 as soon as it is released since I'm outside my window to return it.
In the meantime, hopefully the latest OTA helps reception.
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Future modem updates will surely remedy the issue. It was the same way with the Fascinate, crappy until the radio got a couple updates.<br />
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Hope you're right. Sometimes I wanna go back to my rezound.
Gs3

I have the same problem. Switched from Sprint to Verizon. GSIII. Unless the signal is nearly full strength, calls are unusable and data is inconsistent, and texts won't send. It's definitely the phone's fault, not the network.

Might be good for some folks here to call Verizon and submit a complaint, etc. When I called about a networking issue a couple months back, they told me a wi-fi and other reception/signal related issues were planned for an October update (which they called the second update from Samsung, so that seems to mesh with our getting the current OTA in September), but maybe those plans or the update contents have changed.
And, since the OTA, they can more easily diagnose issues with your phone remotely .
- ooofest

Am I the only one that's satisfied with the GS3's signal strength? I came from a droid incredible and now I seem to have better signal across the board.

I've noticed that the phone manages signal poorly rather than the radios themselves being poor.
Example: If I use phone info and manually set my phone to 4g only or LTE w/ CDMA I will lock onto 4g and have a solid signal. If I rely on the default setting (LTE/EVDO/CDMA) to manage networks automatically I will end up with a weak 3g signal (with full data drops) despite medium/strong 4g being available.
Hopefully the future OTAs will take care of the network selection logic.

Div033 said:
Am I the only one that's satisfied with the GS3's signal strength? I came from a droid incredible and now I seem to have better signal across the board.
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One more fully satisfied customer here.
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When I compare this phone to a Razr Maxx or my old Droid X2, the difference in dbm is about -5. I live in an area with good coverage so I really haven't had any issues. What this phone SUCKS at is sticking with 4g and the hand off from 4g to 3g. It switches to 3g too quickly...should hold on to 4g. When it switches there's a pretty good lag during the switch so you lose data briefly.

The modem update gave me an additional 1-2 bars in my house at times (Still fluctuations, but it would anyhow here). I can't say it's any worse than my Droid Inc.
As for Verizon having a "poor phone choice"... Meh. It goes in cycles. Sometimes they have all the good phones, sometimes AT&T does. It's all variant as to when you are looking to buy.

lets be honest here. No company is 100% stable in all areas. Theres always a tradeoff, and as our lives change, as well as our residences, places of work, and hangouts, our choice of company may change to meet our new needs. In my area Verizon meets my needs best, but my neighbor might have a different story.
I think its unfair to judge a carrier in absolutes unless you're talking about a very densely populated area like a major city. If you set foot in the middle of manhattan and have 1 bar, I think that's an appropriate time to speak in absolutes.
And on the topic of smartphones, I think its an exercise in futility. My S3 is the best phone I've ever owned, despite the small glitches and imperfections. Did I buy it because it was the best phone out there? Absolutely. Did I know at the time of purchase it could be obsolete by the time I reached my car? I counted on it. Am I boring you all by answering my own rhetorical questions? Undoubtedly.
As long as you're happy with your phone and it meets your needs, good for you. If you're unhappy do something about it. But be warned, if you spend time comparing your phone to another one already out or soon to come out, you'll almost never feel good with the results.

Sprint to Tmobile

Ok, can someone help me. I want to switch to Tmobile because in my area Data is 10x faster with them. I have to bring my daughters as well. I'm an Android junky, they are not. My question is, will sprint I phone 4s work on tmobile? Tmo says I have to have sprint unlock them, then I can put Tmo sim in and we're good. Is that true? Will it work on Tmo 4g? And will Sprint unlock easily? Thanks. I'm just gonna wait on the ONE to switch mine, but my kids don't know the joy of Android
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Don't think so
Sprint is on a PCS network and Tmobile uses GSM. They are totally different. You could bring an ATT IPhone to Tmoblie.
You should try to get your daughters away from those IPhones...
Good Luck

Yes, the 4S has a GSM SIM card that can be unlocked, but they're not still not going to want to let you use it on a domestic carrier - they will generally unlock for a customer in good standing for international use. Looking at some threads about people trying to get the Sprint 4S to work on T-Mobile it looks like way too much hassle requiring special equipment (at least at one point in time) and with poor results when it comes to function on T-Mobile's network. The phones also need to be jailbroken because Apple is cooperating with Sprint to not allow you to take the Sprint phone to another domestic carrier's network - this brings a whole new set of potential problems.
If you really want to try it, Google it and see what it would take on your part. Personally, I wouldn't want to do something like that with a kid's phone unless they were going to understand the process and be responsible and able to troubleshoot if things went wrong (same reason I wouldn't root a kid's phone for them without them understanding what's going on and the problems they might face and how to fix them).
Unless they're deeply invested in Apple's market, I'd sell the 4S's and get them N4's or S2's or something. This doesn't have to do with any personal dislike for iPhones - but for the fact that if you're going to go with T-Mobile their ability to get a signal and what kind of signal will depend on the local network and what work T-Mobile has done, even if you traded the Sprint models for factory unlocked ones. They may end up only ever getting 2g, they might have poor coverage due to lack of 1700MHz and more. And since they're your daughters I'd guess you want to make sure they can get a signal no matter where they are in case there's an emergency. I would explain things to them like adults - explain the reason you want to switch services and the impact on them if they choose to stay with an iPhone, show them how Android is really not all that different - teach them about making informed choices and to understand why they are making a certain choice.

Big THANKS that was the BEST Answer I could hope for
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big70tom said:
Ok, can someone help me. I want to switch to Tmobile because in my area Data is 10x faster with them. I have to bring my daughters as well. I'm an Android junky, they are not. My question is, will sprint I phone 4s work on tmobile? Tmo says I have to have sprint unlock them, then I can put Tmo sim in and we're good. Is that true? Will it work on Tmo 4g? And will Sprint unlock easily? Thanks. I'm just gonna wait on the ONE to switch mine, but my kids don't know the joy of Android
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Nevermind...completely misread the type of phone.
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