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We the Government do hearby seize your market, well we want to.....

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382500,00.asp
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This looks like some well-meaning, do-gooder idea, but I can assure you that it's the camel sticking its head in a tent. I'm referring to the breaking news about how four U.S. Senators (who apparently have nothing better to do) want to control what apps you can or cannot buy. They began their effort by nearly demanding that Apple eliminate any iPhone apps that help consumers find police checkpoints, so they can avoid them.
The rationale behind removing these apps is the Senators say the only reason people would want to avoid a police checkpoint is because they're drunk. Thus, they've rationalized that the apps are a hazard to the public.
The four U.S. Senators, all Democrats, are Charles Schumer of New York, Harry Reid of Nevada, Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey and Tom Udall of New Mexico, and they should be voted out of office as soon as possible. What's wrong with the voters?
In a widely quoted joint letter to Apple's iPhone VP, Scott Forstall, the Senators wrote:
We write today with grave concern regarding the ease with which downloadable applications for the iPhone, iPad, and other Apple products allow customers to identify where local police officers have set up DUI checkpoints. With more than 10,000 Americans dying in drunk-driving crashes every year, providing access to iPhone and iPad applications that alert users to DUI checkpoints is harmful to public safety.
If this is actually about public safety, then why don't the Senators also advocate removing all the apps that show the numerous speed traps around the country? After all, speeders are a danger too, no? In fact, speeding is the leading cause of death not drunk driving.
By the way, sober people like to avoid police checkpoints, too, if you haven't noticed. Who the heck wants to go through a police checkpoint to be grilled like a criminal for doing nothing more than driving down the street?
This whole thing is an attempt to regulate apps. Already we've seen the FCC poke its nose into regulating the Internet by getting involved in net neutrality issues. As this column is being written, meetings are taking place all over Washington to find ways to regulate the distribution and use of the Internet. Watch CSPAN sometime and you can see the guys ready to set up shop to do this.
This will eventually mean licensing. In the early 1900s, when the radio hobby was blossoming, you didn't need a license to broadcast anything. We thought free access was going to change the world. Then the government jumped in because things were supposedly getting too chaotic. The hobbyists were shoved into a few specific bands and the pros (commercial companies) were required to have a license. Soon the hobbyists (ham operators) were required to have a license too.
And where is all the real action in the radio spectrum? The unlicensed bands. Now, another Legislator, Peter King wants to ban the ham radio folks—the only people who manage to communicate during real emergencies—from operating. Again there is a bogus rationale. In this case, it's because of the idea that Muslim hams can plan terrorist attacks. This is our government at work.
The nerve of these four Senators to pressure a private company like Apple to sell or not sell something is incredible to me. This crap is just going to get worse as long as guys like this remain in office.
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**** THAT!!!!!!!! (sorry mods)

Oh yea Muslims will plan terrorist attacks inside the country via open unencrypted radio waves...imagine their callsignes lol...
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Nicgraner said:
Oh yea Muslims will plan terrorist attacks inside the country via open unencrypted radio waves...imagine their callsignes lol...
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"This is big slushi calling little slushi everything is ready at the 7/11 over"

Thas SOMe POOP!!
Look there is and never will be a way to control digital media whether its APi's ir APK. they should take some lessons from the Music and Movie industries.... . so yeah know they think that an open source like android. will be kept in Cheked? what ever..... just saying that if its digital it will never be tamed!!!

thedude1313 said:
Look there is and never will be a way to control digital media whether its APi's ir APK. they should take some lessons from the Music and Movie industries.... . so yeah know they think that an open source like android. will be kept in Cheked? what ever..... just saying that if its digital it will never be tamed!!!
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What they are getting at is they want to regulate the type of applications that are made available via public access application markets. They are not wanting to watch what is made available via, forums or what not, just what is on the market. It's a stupid idea to me. Developer sends app to google, FCC/DOJ clears the app it goes lives. This could easily be controlled. But you are 100% correct if someone makes an app, we'll say this DUI checkpoint app, and post it via any forum their is no way of one person, or group of being able to control it. Esp if lets say 2 dozen people store the .apk somewhere on a hard drive.

You people are forgetting these are the same morons who can't even operate computers much less babbling about mobile platform. These idiots always try some BS as they never understand it they will never be able to control jack all I hear from them is talking but they are saying nothing honestly. Now talking about DOJ/FCC watch AT&T own them as all know the Gov works for THE DeathStar so the at&Tmobile merge will go without hitch.

xHKMx said:
You people are forgetting these are the same morons who can't even operate computers much less babbling about mobile platform. These idiots always try some BS as they never understand it they will never be able to control jack all I hear from them is talking but they are saying nothing honestly. Now talking about DOJ/FCC watch AT&T own them as all know the Gov works for THE DeathStar so the at&Tmobile merge will go without hitch.
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I was thinking that but wasn't going to say it. I didn't want to pull sides. But i do agree. 99% of everything they touch ends up FUBARd.

neidlinger said:
I was thinking that but wasn't going to say it. I didn't want to pull sides. But i do agree. 99% of everything they touch ends up FUBARd.
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Ya thats cheap publicity stunt as they trying to show brain washed Americans they are actually doing something. Its all total BS when we should be worried about real issues in USA but we have to deal with these type of BS. I still don't see why we can't just hang them for high treason and get it over with. I know I am harsh but we need this type actions to get rid of these degenerates. It don't matter who we put in office they all part of the same good ol party of BS politicians.

This is why freedom no longer exists in the USA! You can't even leave the country of your own will! Gun control is a prime example. My ssn doesn't do squat for me because some killer is in the florida state penitentiary that has the same name as me! They make me wait for a fire arm. Yet my fingerprints and ssn are suppose to help eliminate that issue. The laws are for control not protection! Why would any sane individual hold the head of a dead man up to get his picture taken with them? These are the new soldiers that are being bread. The kind of trash that will do what the government tells them to do. Not what they should no is wrong. Look at law enforcement. My wife use to be in it. Now she is disgraced that it has gotten as bad as it has. Look at education. Kids are being dumbed up instead of taught. The less knowledge, money, skill, and power you have, the more obedient you will be! Just remember George Washington! He knew what to do and when to do it.
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xHKMx Dude......Sir that was well said!!! well said.........

Interesting - Security issue on most Androids (2.3.3 and under)

Just read this.. figured I'd share. Looks like it's getting fixed.. Nothing more to see.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/18/technology/android_security/index.htm?hpt=T2

nice hope they roll out the fix for our damned phones as well.

Good thing we have .4 available to use

It's really a non-issue. Basically someone with a packet sniffer can see some information as it's synced with Google. Big deal. They can do that with any OS its just most OS's don't sync that information to the cloud.
Big deal. All they have to do is encrypt the data on the phone before it sends it out. 2.3.4 already corrects the issue.

player911 said:
Big deal. All they have to do is encrypt the data on the phone before it sends it out. 2.3.4 already corrects the issue.
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Not a big deal for current Android phones (and their users) that won't be receiving that 2.3.4 update?..

S0NiX0928 said:
Not a big deal for current Android phones (and their users) that won't be receiving that 2.3.4 update?..
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Its called marketing..... They "scare" people into buying the newest of the new.... damn communists
Let alone its coming from cnn... What a creditable non biast truthful news site
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nate420 said:
Its called marketing..... They "scare" people into buying the newest of the new.... damn communists
Let alone its coming from cnn... What a creditable non biast truthful news site
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Well, for my own sake I really couldn't care less... If the evils of the world want your privacy they could get it whether you liked it or not. I choose to think my life really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things lol. However, I will say I should've checked the sources because as with CNN, and all the other corporate lapdog news outlets, they aren't worth your time in a quest for real, truly important news. Typically all the mainstream outlets generate is shock and awe material, or seek it if you will. They either hype the fearful & devastation or ignore the stuff that would otherwise get them sued by true the criminals to humanity: corporations. We are in a whistle-blower-beware sorta society right now... You either are going to get killed or defamed for speaking out these days...
Wow, ending the rant there, sorry.

Kinda surprised at the attitude regarding the crappy google software. I guess some do not care if their personal info is stolen and used in nefarious ways.
This is Google we are talking about. Not exactly a fine upstanding corporate citizen. They have been stealing info for years. They helped China round up protesters before the Olympics. They will do or say anything to make a buck.
The fact that their software is so buggy and compromising is hardly surprising. People just need to be aware of the type of company they are and be prepared to have anything on their phone stolen and used against them.
It is what it is. I have accepted who they are and I am carefull about what I use my phone for.
Android smartphones face data breach threat
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/905bb4d6-813e-11e0-9360-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1Mo0FZQyv
Owners of Android smartphones are being warned to avoid public WiFi networks after researchers found a security flaw that could affect the vast majority of devices based on Google’s software.
A trio of researchers at Ulm University in Germany found that it was “quite easy” for hackers to intercept data from Google’s photo-sharing, calendar and contacts applications, as well as potentially other Google services such as Gmail, using a flaw that affects 99 per cent of all Android devices.
The attack works when unsecured wireless access points that imitate public WiFi hot spots that the phone has accessed before – such as a coffee shop chain – capture an authentication token.
That token can then be used by attackers to access and modify personal data in Picasa, Google’s photo site, Calendar and Contacts. Business customers using Google apps on Android are not affected by the weakness because all traffic is encrypted by default.
“The implications of this vulnerability reach from disclosure to loss of personal information for the Calendar data,” said the Ulm researchers in a posting on their website.
“Beyond the mere stealing of such information, an adversary could perform subtle changes without the user noticing. For example, an adversary could change the stored e-mail address of the victim’s boss or business partners hoping to receive sensitive or confidential material pertaining to their business.”
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jcbofkc said:
Kinda surprised at the attitude regarding the crappy google software. I guess some do not care if their personal info is stolen and used in nefarious ways.
This is Google we are talking about. Not exactly a fine upstanding corporate citizen. They have been stealing info for years. They helped China round up protesters before the Olympics. They will do or say anything to make a buck.
The fact that their software is so buggy and compromising is hardly surprising. People just need to be aware of the type of company they are and be prepared to have anything on their phone stolen and used against them.
It is what it is. I have accepted who they are and I am carefull about what I use my phone for.
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I agree. It may not be a big deal to the typical user who is txting his girlfriend and emailing his mom.. but a subjective view of this doesn't make it a minor thing all of a sudden.
I have watched google grow ever since the dot com days. I've been an avid user of their products. There has been an obvious directional move by google for those that pay close attention.. They have gone from user/community focused.. and now they have intermixed that with a focus of business .. no different than any other company pleasing the shareholders..
For anyone to think for one minute that google is a friend that can be trusted with your private data, you better get your head out of the sand and take a harder look. They are a business trying to make money. They are not a friend who is trying to serve you and look out for your best interest. They may make it appear so. They may say so.. in order for us to think so.. But I guarantee you that in the midst of a board meeting, the last thing uttered out of their mouth is anything about servicing you and looking out for your best interest. Sure, they may make it appear like that.. .but the reason why they make it appear like that? So they don't lose you as a customer and they can gain customers. Yes, they must make a good product that pleases a certain group of society. But what is the root? To be your friend and buddy?They must maintain good customer service or you will not use their service or leave. <-- The root of that mentality = $$$$$$$.
I played the game of business for many years during the dot com days. I sat in many meetings. Yes, that's how it works. "Let's do x, y, and z.. to increase our bottom line, bring upon more customers, etc.. Then we can explain it to the employees and the customers in x, y, and z manner as to why it is good for them." <-- That's business. What we see is not the "root" of their behavior. Deception at its finest.

Silent Sms attacks/tracking

so apparently the German government (and other entities) have been using silent sms attacks to keep tabs on its civilians
they send a silent sms to someones phone, it dosent show up at all on their device, but it pings back Imei numbers and other info, which can be cross reffed with the operator log of the towers and used to compile an entire movement profile for an individual
now i dont know about you but as an upstanding citizen this kind of crap concerns the heck outta me.
i believe further exploration into some sort of defense against ssms attacks is in order but it is way above my paygrade

I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.

It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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Eeroz said:
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
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Not the OS developers, it purely has to do with the carriers. I remember reading a lot about similar things in the past, like pinging a phone, class 0 sms', etc. Does anyone have any related links, whether relating to the governments use or these pinging sms' in general? Sounds like an interesting topic!

ishmael345 said:
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I hear you there. Look at the new chip they want in all cell phones in the US starting this year for government based SMS for terrorist threats and amber alerts. Wonder why it is gonna be connected to the GPS and phone mic?

I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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Any proof about this?

Do a search for Fema chips in cell phones and see.

zeekiz said:
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.

hungry81 said:
To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.

zelendel said:
Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.

M_Nation said:
I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I know that maybe a bit harsh but some of my freinds were those that stood up for our rights and freedom and for someone to say its OK for a government to remove that right rubs me wrong.
I would to if you were innocent until proven guilty but we all know that is not the case anymore. Now you are guilty until proven innocent.
I think the days of thinking that our government is out for the good of people is long over.

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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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Oh for my "protection" well thats okay then.
So whats your stance on carrier IQ then? after all its only sending information that will make our phone using experiance better, And from a safety issue SOPA and the Australian internet filter are brilliant, Means I can not access those nasty sites that will put me at risk, Just like in China. It does not stink of isolationisim and control at all. And all no one should want ANYTHING kept private if they are not breaking the law should they? Infact privacy breeds suscpicion. How about for everyones safety you post your private details and smses as well as your daily schedule so we know you are not going around consorting with terroists or drug dealers.

Anyone who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.

Mainspring said:
forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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^^^^--- This.
Anyway, as far as being able to track you they would need probable cause to even begin to attempt to defend themselves if any government type decides to do this. At least enough to warrant a search a seizure. I don't know how the laws are outside of the states but I can imagine unless you're in a dictatorship or you live in a communist nation the laws are similar.
Higher-ups have always been able to do this, that's not the question. The question is the legitimacy of the situations that they decide to use their power.

LOL
I love you guys who born and grow up in the US. and Western part where democracy is practicing daily.
Coming off a communist country, I love freedom a lot but ......... if you do no harm to the nation, no harm to the country, no harm to the community and no harm to anybody, then you SHOULD NEVER worry about it.
If you say "Obama is suck and I hate him" you not gonna be jailed for that.
If you say "I hate white president and I never vote for those again", you not gonna be fined for that.
If you say "I just have sex with my g/f and she moans like crazy", they not gonna care to listen to your conversation.
But if you are up to something, potentially put the nation, commnunity at risk, yes, you are deserved to lock up for the rest of your life as the safety issue for the rest.
Period.

Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Look at all the articles about how carriers gave the FBI an open ticket to their systems. The government has been doing unwarrented wire taps for years now in the name of security which is BS.
As for the previous comment no you don't get in trouble for things like that but let me tell you a true story about a buddy of mine.
He and his girlfreind got into an argument where she made up lies about how he said he would kill her for threating to run away with their child. The cops find him on a bus leaving state. Tosses him in jail for 4 weeks until he sees a judge as their is no bail in the state for demestic issues. Then he get 6 months probation and has to pay $4000 in fines. Cant go to trial as she cant be found. Now he has assault on his record and is having trouble finding work as all it says is ASSAULT nothing else. All for words he never said. But even if he had it was still just words. Nothing more. No history of violence. Just an empty threat.
Yeah freedom right. Guilty until proven innocent

Wow, never heard this until now

[Q] Live stream + record audio/video for police encounters?

Does anyone know of an app that can record video and upload it to a cloud/server at the same time? That way, if you use said app to record a police officer breaking the law, and then they take and smash your phone, it would be too late for them, because the recording (minus whatever few-second buffer the app had) would already be uploaded and online?

moeburn said:
Does anyone know of an app that can record video and upload it to a cloud/server at the same time? That way, if you use said app to record a police officer breaking the law, and then they take and smash your phone, it would be too late for them, because the recording (minus whatever few-second buffer the app had) would already be uploaded and online?
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Having read your signature, I'm tempted to tell you to search.
Having seen that you have been a member here for 14 months and have never once thanked another member, I'm tempted to tell you where to go.
I will simply point out that an application capable of doing this would be highly illegal in many places, of which I am sure America is one, as you can't record someone without informing them of the fact first.

SimonTS said:
Having read your signature, I'm tempted to tell you to search.
Having seen that you have been a member here for 14 months and have never once thanked another member, I'm tempted to tell you where to go.
I will simply point out that an application capable of doing this would be highly illegal in many places, of which I am sure America is one, as you can't record someone without informing them of the fact first.
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I wouldn't be asking if I hadn't searched first.
How on earth can you tell if I have never thanked another member? Have you read every single post I have ever made? In fact, I make it a point of mine to thank people for their time, for even bothering to read my post and give an answer, even if the answer is not helpful to me in anyway, for every positive suggestion anyone tries to make, provided they are not hostile.
edit: oh, I see, you mean I've never pressed the thank "button". Well then, I guess that means I'm an ungrateful, selfish bastard, doesn't it?
I'm not sure how an auto-uploading application itself would be illegal. But if what you meant to say was that it might be illegal to video record people, I'm not sure about the law in the USA, but I'll tell you what it is here in Canada:
- You can record anything, and anyone, without anyone's permission, as long as its in a public place, excluding public pools, gyms, schools and daycares. The general rule of thumb is that you can record anything that is outside or on the street.
- Your right to video record in a private establishment/business is at the discretion of the business owner/management.
- You can record the police, as long as you are not getting in their way while you do it
- You CAN record someone, in public, without informing them of the fact, but...
- You cannot distribute or publish videos of people without their prior written consent, or without obscuring their face and making it impossible to identify the person
Thanks for your time, for reading my post, and for replying!

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I wouldn't be asking if I hadn't searched first.
How on earth can you tell if I have never thanked another member? Have you read every single post I have ever made?
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Because your user profile tells me you have never thanked anyone.....
moeburn said:
I'm not sure how an auto-uploading application itself would be illegal. But if what you meant to say was that it might be illegal to video record people, I'm not sure about the law in the USA, but I'll tell you what it is in Canada:
- You can record anything, and anyone, without anyone's permission, as long as its in a public place, excluding public pools, gyms, schools and daycares. The general rule of thumb is that you can record anything that is outside or on the street.
- Your right to video record in a private establishment/business is at the discretion of the business owner/management.
- You can record the police, as long as you are not getting in their way while you do it
- You cannot distribute or publish videos of people without their prior written consent, or without obscuring their face and making it impossible to identify the person
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Nice to know that Canada has such liberal laws. I still can't get my head round why you would be expecting to require such an app unless you are planning to bait somebody?
Regardless, the data that would be consumed by such an app would be massive even if there was one available. Your best bet might be to look at one of those child-monitor type of apps which can run on a remote computer and use your phones camera to record from, but yet again without a wireless connection the date usage will be horrendous.

SimonTS said:
Because your user profile tells me you have never thanked anyone.....
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Right, I've never clicked the 'thank' button. I make it a point to actually type out a thankyou message; it feels much more human and personal than simply clicking a button to raise a numerical counter. I wasn't aware it was such an important button, do people get prizes for having the most # of thanks or something?
SimonTS said:
Nice to know that Canada has such liberal laws. I still can't get my head round why you would be expecting to require such an app unless you are planning to bait somebody?
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Actually, we have much more conservative laws in Canada when it comes to the police. We have no miranda rights. We have no "fruit from a poisoned tree" laws. Any evidence obtained with illegal means is admissable in court unless successfully challenged in a separate trial that the citizen themselves must initiate and pay for. We have a right to a lawyer, but that right doesn't mean anything, because if a person's accessibility to a lawyer was obstructed, there is no effect on the case or court proceedings whatsoever. And as far as I know, even in the USA, there are only a select few states that do not allow filming police, and then most of those say that you can film the police provided you do not record audio as well.
I'm honestly not planning on baiting any police. But I've been intentionally rammed and nearly run over while I was on a bicycle, by a cop car, because I couldn't get my headphones out fast enough to hear what they were saying. I've had a cop threaten to shoot my dog, because it was barking too much, even though it was on a leash and restrained. My female friends have, on more than one occasion, been stopped by police for petty things (jaywalking, public drunkenness, etc), and then told that they'll drop the charges if they "thank" the officer... These types of things need to be recorded for there to be any accountability.
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Regardless, the data that would be consumed by such an app would be massive even if there was one available. Your best bet might be to look at one of those child-monitor type of apps which can run on a remote computer and use your phones camera to record from, but yet again without a wireless connection the date usage will be horrendous.
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Yeah, I'm aware that even a few minutes of video can rack up several hundred mB of data. But with a well sized data plan, and turning the video resolution down as low as it can go, the data wouldn't be too massive, and besides, even if I have to pay an extra $20 to upload it, I don't plan on doing it every day, it would be worth the cost for the few occasions where it would be needed. Thanks for the suggestion about the baby-monitor app, I'll look into that.

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Right, I've never clicked the 'thank' button. I make it a point to actually type out a thankyou message; it feels much more human and personal than simply clicking a button to raise a numerical counter. I wasn't aware it was such an important button, do people get prizes for having the most # of thanks or something?
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Actually, the 'Thanks' meter does two things;-
1) It shows other members how useful to the XDA society someone is - which can also be helpful if you are working out whether to trust the advice they have given you
2) It stops threads being filled up with "Thanks", "Cheers dude", "Great work" etc posts which just waste space and bump threads for no good reason, also making it take longer to actually search for meaningful information.
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Actually, we have much more conservative laws in Canada when it comes to the police. We have no miranda rights. We have no "fruit from a poisoned tree" laws. Any evidence obtained with illegal means is admissable in court unless successfully challenged in a separate trial that the citizen themselves must initiate and pay for. We have a right to a lawyer, but that right doesn't mean anything, because if a person's accessibility to a lawyer was obstructed, there is no effect on the case or court proceedings whatsoever. And as far as I know, even in the USA, there are only a select few states that do not allow filming police, and then most of those say that you can film the police provided you do not record audio as well.
I'm honestly not planning on baiting any police. But I've been intentionally rammed and nearly run over while I was on a bicycle, by a cop car, because I couldn't get my headphones out fast enough to hear what they were saying. I've had a cop threaten to shoot my dog, because it was barking too much, even though it was on a leash and restrained. My female friends have, on more than one occasion, been stopped by police for petty things (jaywalking, public drunkenness, etc), and then told that they'll drop the charges if they "thank" the officer... These types of things need to be recorded for there to be any accountability.
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Three examples in there;-
1) The dog one - yes, you might well have been able to get your phone out in time to record, but I suspect the cop might well have changed his tone if you tried that. If a cop tried that with my dog I'd probably have ripped his head off for it though.
2) You friends jaywalking and drunk in public - the cop was out of order with those comments, but I doubt your friends would have been in any fit state to try and get a phone out, run an app etc, and the cop would probably not have been stupid enough to repeat the comment on film
3) If you were riding with your headphones on then firstly you wouldn't have been able to get your phone out, and secondly you should have been arrested and had your bike and whatever you were listening to music on taken away from you. Idiots who ride bikes while listening to music cannot hear what is going on around them and frequently cause accidents as a direct result of not being aware of their surroundings. I have no sympathy with this one at all - you would, to my mind, have deserved everything you got for being so damn stupid and inconsiderate of other people
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Yeah, I'm aware that even a few minutes of video can rack up several hundred mB of data. But with a well sized data plan, and turning the video resolution down as low as it can go, the data wouldn't be too massive, and besides, even if I have to pay an extra $20 to upload it, I don't plan on doing it every day, it would be worth the cost for the few occasions where it would be needed. Thanks for the suggestion about the baby-monitor app, I'll look into that.
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The baby-monitor app is going to be no good for you as it would need to be permanently connected. Much better to just get one of those mini 'spy' cameras with an SD-card and rolling record facility and make sure it isn't clearly visible.

GO keyboard is spying on you!!!

This is an interesting little tidbit
Security researchers warn that GO Keyboard is spying on millions of Android users
https://betanews.com/2017/09/21/go-keyboard-spying-warning/

thatsupnow said:
This is an interesting little tidbit
Security researchers warn that GO Keyboard is spying on millions of Android users
https://betanews.com/2017/09/21/go-keyboard-spying-warning/
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I already had doubt because it's cluttered.
Why it's still on play store?
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thahim said:
I already had doubt because it's cluttered.
Why it's still on play store?
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I'm not sure you'd think if it was true that Google would take it down right away. But maybe Google is in on whatever scam is happening?? Who knows

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I'm not sure you'd think if it was true that Google would take it down right away. But maybe Google is in on whatever scam is happening?? Who knows
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Must be
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thatsupnow said:
I'm not sure you'd think if it was true that Google would take it down right away. But maybe Google is in on whatever scam is happening?? Who knows
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Lol nope. Probably because they have to be 100% sure and are still investigating or it's in the queue. Otherwise if it turns out to be innocent or just outright false people will riot and be like "big evil company took my down because it completes with Gboard!!!" which is just as bad for public image if not worse.
Wtf would Google even want keylog data, much less risk immense government penalties and prosecution of its leaders?
Furthermore, if they DID want such data, wtf would they do it from some ****ty keyboard app? Why not embed it deep within the is where no one would find it? It's not like these keyboard spammer people hid it very well

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Lol nope. Probably because they have to be 100% sure and are still investigating or it's in the queue. Otherwise if it turns out to be innocent or just outright false people will riot and be like "big evil company took my down because it completes with Gboard!!!" which is just as bad for public image if not worse.
Wtf would Google even want keylog data, much less risk immense government penalties and prosecution of its leaders?
Furthermore, if they DID want such data, wtf would they do it from some ****ty keyboard app? Why not embed it deep within the is where no one would find it? It's not like these keyboard spammer people hid it very well
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You obviously don't have the slightest idea of how many times has Google being sued for human rights violations including privacy

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You obviously don't have the slightest idea of how many times has Google being sued for human rights violations including privacy
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Wow... So many things wrong with this i had trouble figuring out where to begin.
You obviously don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Let me fill you in on reality...
1. You dont get sued for "human rights violations" ?️?️
2. Privacy isnt a "human right" ?️
3. How many times someone or something is sued has absolutely no bearing on anything, and is a useless, even dangerous metric to judge by. Or maybe ill just file 500 lawsuits against you for irrelevant things. They will all get thrown out that doesnt matter to you since the number of times is the important metric ?️?️?
4. Therefore your statement was invalid, as no one ever has been "sued for human rights violations ?️?️?️?️
The question that i think maybe you wanted to ask was "do you have any idea how many times google has lost a lawsuit or admitted wrongdoing in relation to anything with privacy of their users?"
It just so happens i know this on: it's zero. Thats right, not once, have they been successfully sued for or by an
while not perfect they actually are able to safeguard privacy in many cases, for example due to the fact that they can and do push back on government requests for user logs or data they feel is too broad or on shaky ground. Not many other companies have the capital much less the legal team to do that.
Next time, do a little research into things before just repeating what you read on conspiracy websites.

Not surprised in the least