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I am concerned that Google has their tentacles all throughout the OS, and I want to take all measures to stop that. I particularly don't like their search query tracking (I use ixquick) and their nav app, as their privacy policies are atrocious.
Before someone accuses me of being a hacker or criminal, I am simply not willing to hand over my 220 year old Constitutional rights for a transient fear campaign manufactured by The Machine. And I do not want my information used for profit without permission. I used to be a cracker, and know what is possible. I'll not respond to those who call me 'paranoid'; they are oblivious.
Of course I'll not be using the apps of that-search-engine-everybody-uses. Removing them forthwith, in favor of whatever GPL open-source apps there are available for various functions. Using self-contained nav software like CoPilot or TomTom.
So, have any devs investigated whether Android phones home at any interval? Have measures been taken to privacy-enable the Android firmware?
I hear that HTC has some sort of 'phone home' function. How to neuter that?
What good is Wifi? Is it that you can use that when available, not using up 3G bytes? I am asking what use it is on a mobile in consideration of mobility and the security problems -- what uses can this be put to, and how to secure the phone?
Where is the best place to find open-source apps?
I'm curious about this as well, not so much from a privacy standpoint, but how the hell can I stop the mysterious data that is flowing out of my phone when everything like background syncing and all data connections are turned off.
http://source.android.com/
This is all you need - you could remove/modify anything you want, so... what's your problem? And actually Google apps aren't in the Android sources, so you won't have them after compiling. Yeah, two birds with one stone.
Also you could disable WiFi if you don't like it.
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how the hell can I stop the mysterious data that is flowing out of my phone when everything like background syncing and all data connections are turned off.
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Errr... what ROM and how many apps do you have installed? There is no "mysterious data" on clean system, but 25% of apps use data connection for various reasons.
I'm on the stock 2.1 ROM for the Samsung Galaxy S. I turn all the background syncing, email, and stuff like that off, and overnight it can use about 1MB of data.
I don't have any "free" apps running that might download new banners or anything like that.
The background syncing does not turn anything off as far as I know.
To my knowledge it allows 3rd party apps the ability to check if the user has flagged this, but they do not have to respect this flag.
Tachikoma_kun said:
I'm on the stock 2.1 ROM for the Samsung Galaxy S. I turn all the background syncing, email, and stuff like that off, and overnight it can use about 1MB of data.
I don't have any "free" apps running that might download new banners or anything like that.
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Syncing is just... syncing. But there are many other things, that apps do. Spare Parts -> Battery history -> Network usage.
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http://source.android.com/
This is all you need - you could remove/modify anything you want, so... what's your problem?
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What's my problem, LOL? I am a 52yo real estate developer, not a coder. This is why I'm asking the question.
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What's my problem, LOL? I am a 52yo real estate developer, not a coder. This is why I'm asking the question.
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i think he meant either put up or shut up, which is a pretty reasonable statement.
IMO it's anonymous user data.... let them build cybernet
otherwise say no to the T.O.S that is your constitutional right if you have "privacy" concerns
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Syncing is just... syncing. But there are many other things, that apps do. Spare Parts -> Battery history -> Network usage.
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Thanks, will give that a try.
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i think he meant either put up or shut up, which is a pretty reasonable statement.
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I meant we all have access to the sources, so we don't have to "investigate" what Android exactly does - we just know, that it doesn't do any "mysterious" things. There are many people working with these sources for many months, I doubt there are some undiscovered things.
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I meant we all have access to the sources, so we don't have to "investigate" what Android exactly does - we just know, that it doesn't do any "mysterious" things. There are many people working with these sources for many months, I doubt there are some undiscovered things.
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u know what they say about assuming...... it always makes you look like a jackass
Yeah, I mean we're not playing with iOS4 or anything.
In all seriousness, Android's been out for quite a while now and has been looked at by a LOT of people. Not saying that it's *impossible* but it's highly unlikely that anything nefarious is going on.
If you're still concerned, I suppose you could always opt not to install the Google Apps, but you'd be a bit limited, functionality-wise.
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let them build cybernet
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O' little do you know... many years ago I did work in Eastern Europe. You have no idea the paranoia a society can endure. For an idea, watch the old TV series Danger Man. Or the movie 1984.
If most young people share your view, it is a dark future. I'm glad I'll be dead.
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In all seriousness, Android's been out for quite a while now and has been looked at by a LOT of people. Not saying that it's *impossible* but it's highly unlikely that anything nefarious is going on.
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Understand. I just can not believe though that Google is not harvesting some sort of information, as that's their business model. They never discard any info they receive, and you can build a shockingly accurate portrait of someone from their searches over time. Google's CEO recently said, "If You Have Something You Don't Want Anyone To Know, Maybe You Shouldn't Be Doing It", echoing the Bush Doctrine of a Police State.
Maybe Android is innocuous for now, and I'm sure it's been examined. But I'm wondering what the results were? Why are ppl seeing data outflows?
I smell a rat...
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...Before someone accuses me of being a hacker or criminal, I am simply not willing to hand over my 220 year old Constitutional rights for a transient fear campaign manufactured by The Machine. And I do not want my information used for profit without permission. I used to be a cracker, and know what is possible. I'll not respond to those who call me 'paranoid'; they are oblivious...
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What's my problem, LOL? I am a 52yo real estate developer, not a coder. This is why I'm asking the question.
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A 52yo real estate developer, whose not a coder, but used to be a "cracker" and knows what is possible? Anyone else here think this doesn't make a bit of sense?
It's funny, but it sounds like someone is trying to stir up some FUD by making claims that Android is somehow doing an "All your data are belong to us...". I hope Apple aren't paying your cheques!
@perpetualmotionuk: Be advised that there is a difference between mathematics and decryption, and coding. Yes I can do some coding, but not at a level necessary to analyze and modify an operating system.
If Apple were paying my 'cheques', wouldn't I come in with some sort of proof that monitoring is taking place? Rather than asking what others have found?
Now, rather than trying to tear people down, why don't you use that considerable nose to investigate this yourself?
No one's seen anything about info leakage?
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Understand. I just can not believe though that Google is not harvesting some sort of information, as that's their business model. They never discard any info they receive, and you can build a shockingly accurate portrait of someone from their searches over time. Google's CEO recently said, "If You Have Something You Don't Want Anyone To Know, Maybe You Shouldn't Be Doing It", echoing the Bush Doctrine of a Police State.
Maybe Android is innocuous for now, and I'm sure it's been examined. But I'm wondering what the results were? Why are ppl seeing data outflows?
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Most of that data is pulled from search history, I suspect. Which you can disable, if I recall. Don't have my phone on me at the moment to confirm.
I just did a very simple test on an emulator: after ~15 minutes of running system there was 0 (zero, null) of network packets. Now I want to do the same on a device with clean system, but I think results will be the same or similar (SDK system is just normal Android - very similar to these from devices).
I have a feeling that even if I will catch zero packets as well, you will be asking whether Google send something mysterious through... errr... bluetooth? Some hidden antenna?
If you're worried about Google tracking your info...root the phone and don't install the Google apps. What do ya know...problem solved.
If you're still worried that people are tracking what you are doing see steps below.
1) Flush phone or give to a homeless guy to throw them off.
2) Destroy Computers.
3) Liquidate everything you own.
4) Walk into the woods and live off the land.
5) Kill self shortly after because they already have a file on you.
You say you're a 52 year old real estate developer...guess what...they're already tracking you. You're already helping to build "cybernet" just by living and breathing.
And if you are really worried about your "220 year old Constitutional Rights" then go read the Patriot Act and discover that you don't have ****.
I'm normally not one to flame...but you are an absolute idiot.
I'm not an English person, excuse for the syntax/grammar/... mistakes I'd could make.
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I'm normally not one to flame...but you are an absolute idiot.
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I don't understand WHY this person could be considered as "an absolute idiot" by ASKING if some 'data' are sent over the network through the phone.
Facebook, with it's ad system is sending information for each ad displayed (not alot, but still some !)....
ADS.GOOGLE do you have any idea about what's behind !?
I don't have the number (nobody have it) of webpages using it but it's huge. with this you can track navigation of people, establish profiles, link to a physical person. Without your consent.
I understand the concern of the "OP" here. I don't think the data sent are easy to "catch", or are systematically sent... maybe there is no, and you are paranoid. But it "COULD". So easily. I'm from the young tech generation.
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People who don't ask themselve the question, or wich refuse to be open minded enough to consider the right to ask this question ... could be surprised very soon. I'm not directly affraid of "google". I'm affraid of those 'blind' people.
You'll be dead in less than 10years !? I hope we can share some of the darkness you're talking about. your parent's generation started it, you continued it.
Anyway, back to the topic.
Why in my pocess list i've : (app id number) com.ap.SnapPhoto:remote
even when I do not use the camera !?
...when I notice my battery is being used more than usual I check the process list and I find this...
What's this "remote" !?
Maybe "remote" refers to "another app wich launch this app"... ? Otherwise... wow.
Be aware if you are too happy with Dropbox!
http://www.informationweek.com/news/storage/security/229500683
I hope you are not pushing your too private info to DropBox...undo it if you already did...Good luc!
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I don't think someone else is uploading the same "special" photo of me to dropbox to share among my boxes, so I should be safe
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Be aware if you are too happy with Dropbox!
http://www.informationweek.com/news/storage/security/229500683
I hope you are not pushing your too private info to DropBox...undo it if you already did...Good luc!
rcjpth
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I was warning people about them weeks ago. But that was because they had admitted they will share your files and info about them with just about anyone with some semblance of official office.
That was enough for me. I removed all files, cancelled my account and uninstalled everywhere.
Read their T&C and you will too ... if you are smart.
isn't this only important for those with sensitive data.
all i store is music, movies and school projects.
who cares if someone sees that?
Good to know. Thanks.
honestly, what files can you possibly have stored there that authorities can use as evidence against you in a court of law?
and second why warn people? unless you believe a good percentage of people on this forum are criminals in some shape, way or form AND you're okay with crimes they have or will commit like pedophiles or identity thieves... not cool!
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and second why warn people? unless you believe a good percentage of people on this forum are criminals in some shape, way or form AND you're okay with crimes they have or will commit like pedophiles or identity thieves... not cool!
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Actually, yeah - according to current IP laws - I think quite a few are. I can well imagine that many here have some app, program, song, movie or something that is not 100% legal.
As to perverts and thieves, this is not that kind of forum, so I think there are few of them here. However, just sharing an APK that is not 100% free is a crime, according to the letter of the law.
The reason I say anything at all is that quite a few otherwise good people are suffering from our current archaic and antiquated legal system.
Ignorance of the real world and how it really works is also not cool, as it can land you in jail.
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I can well imagine that many here have some app, program, song, movie or something that is not 100% legal.
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I know this might be viewed as crazy, but unencrypted cloud storage should be viewed as unsecured no matter who provides it. Because it is.
I had heard about the dropbox thing a month ago, and was not in the least surprised. Needless to say it had no impact at all on my use of dropbox.
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Actually, yeah - according to current IP laws - I think quite a few are. I can well imagine that many here have some app, program, song, movie or something that is not 100% legal.
As to perverts and thieves, this is not that kind of forum, so I think there are few of them here. However, just sharing an APK that is not 100% free is a crime, according to the letter of the law.
The reason I say anything at all is that quite a few otherwise good people are suffering from our current archaic and antiquated legal system.
Ignorance of the real world and how it really works is also not cool, as it can land you in jail.
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Trust me; they can give a rat's ass about IP laws. When I got busted running a server, the FBI were only called in because they thought I had child porn too. When they realized their mistake... nothing. All those IP law infractions in my possession and nothing happened. Their real concern is people using technology like this to further their crimes against REAL people. I say go ahead and peek.
so apparently the German government (and other entities) have been using silent sms attacks to keep tabs on its civilians
they send a silent sms to someones phone, it dosent show up at all on their device, but it pings back Imei numbers and other info, which can be cross reffed with the operator log of the towers and used to compile an entire movement profile for an individual
now i dont know about you but as an upstanding citizen this kind of crap concerns the heck outta me.
i believe further exploration into some sort of defense against ssms attacks is in order but it is way above my paygrade
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
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Not the OS developers, it purely has to do with the carriers. I remember reading a lot about similar things in the past, like pinging a phone, class 0 sms', etc. Does anyone have any related links, whether relating to the governments use or these pinging sms' in general? Sounds like an interesting topic!
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It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I hear you there. Look at the new chip they want in all cell phones in the US starting this year for government based SMS for terrorist threats and amber alerts. Wonder why it is gonna be connected to the GPS and phone mic?
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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Any proof about this?
Do a search for Fema chips in cell phones and see.
zeekiz said:
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
zelendel said:
Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I know that maybe a bit harsh but some of my freinds were those that stood up for our rights and freedom and for someone to say its OK for a government to remove that right rubs me wrong.
I would to if you were innocent until proven guilty but we all know that is not the case anymore. Now you are guilty until proven innocent.
I think the days of thinking that our government is out for the good of people is long over.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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Oh for my "protection" well thats okay then.
So whats your stance on carrier IQ then? after all its only sending information that will make our phone using experiance better, And from a safety issue SOPA and the Australian internet filter are brilliant, Means I can not access those nasty sites that will put me at risk, Just like in China. It does not stink of isolationisim and control at all. And all no one should want ANYTHING kept private if they are not breaking the law should they? Infact privacy breeds suscpicion. How about for everyones safety you post your private details and smses as well as your daily schedule so we know you are not going around consorting with terroists or drug dealers.
Anyone who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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^^^^--- This.
Anyway, as far as being able to track you they would need probable cause to even begin to attempt to defend themselves if any government type decides to do this. At least enough to warrant a search a seizure. I don't know how the laws are outside of the states but I can imagine unless you're in a dictatorship or you live in a communist nation the laws are similar.
Higher-ups have always been able to do this, that's not the question. The question is the legitimacy of the situations that they decide to use their power.
LOL
I love you guys who born and grow up in the US. and Western part where democracy is practicing daily.
Coming off a communist country, I love freedom a lot but ......... if you do no harm to the nation, no harm to the country, no harm to the community and no harm to anybody, then you SHOULD NEVER worry about it.
If you say "Obama is suck and I hate him" you not gonna be jailed for that.
If you say "I hate white president and I never vote for those again", you not gonna be fined for that.
If you say "I just have sex with my g/f and she moans like crazy", they not gonna care to listen to your conversation.
But if you are up to something, potentially put the nation, commnunity at risk, yes, you are deserved to lock up for the rest of your life as the safety issue for the rest.
Period.
Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Look at all the articles about how carriers gave the FBI an open ticket to their systems. The government has been doing unwarrented wire taps for years now in the name of security which is BS.
As for the previous comment no you don't get in trouble for things like that but let me tell you a true story about a buddy of mine.
He and his girlfreind got into an argument where she made up lies about how he said he would kill her for threating to run away with their child. The cops find him on a bus leaving state. Tosses him in jail for 4 weeks until he sees a judge as their is no bail in the state for demestic issues. Then he get 6 months probation and has to pay $4000 in fines. Cant go to trial as she cant be found. Now he has assault on his record and is having trouble finding work as all it says is ASSAULT nothing else. All for words he never said. But even if he had it was still just words. Nothing more. No history of violence. Just an empty threat.
Yeah freedom right. Guilty until proven innocent
Wow, never heard this until now
From recent new reports easily searched (my post count is not high enough to post links).
It appears that for some time now US Gov. agencies are able to activate microphones on cellular devices. While wiretapping with a warrant is certainly legal and a necessary tool for law enforcement, I cant help but feel a certain level of intrusion if people can turn my cell phone into a mobile recording device / "bug" even if I am not actively talking on it. The ramifications of cell phones allowing Gov's to turn their countries into police states is frightening.
With the level of software modification now happening with Android and iOS, is this something that can be prevented?
Do we know how this is even possible? I read one persons opinion that it might be something activated within the radio code itself as it seems to be a blackbox of various functions that has yet to be decoded (sorry for my limited knowledge on the subject)
Please lets keep the responses of "dont use your cell phone" or "you should nothing to hide in the 1st place" to a minimum.
Instead of another pointless political discussion, I'd like to see real practical suggestions and insight (not some BS like "don't do anything wrong" or "throw your phone away") for people who actually care about this. MANY people are interested, so the tendency to dismiss it repeatedly is uncalled for, no matter what you personally may think.
How about some real answers for questions like:
What is the best way to secure an Android phone and still use it normally?
What kind of apps are available to best secure your phone from spying/monitoring?
Are custom ROMs or forks in the works for this?
Did everyone not already know that? Or were all the Americans just sticking their heads in the sand? Because we(more commonly referred to as 'the rest of the planet') certainly knew that they were spying on everyone by keeping data and remotely activating phones for over a decade...
What I don't get is why you lot are all so paranoid over it. What, are you afraid they're going to find out you prefer coffee over tea and wear hello kitty panties?
The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
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Did everyone not already know that? Or were all the Americans just sticking their heads in the sand? Because we(more commonly referred to as 'the rest of the planet') certainly knew that they were spying on everyone by keeping data and remotely activating phones for over a decade...
What I don't get is why you lot are all so paranoid over it. What, are you afraid they're going to find out you prefer coffee over tea and wear hello kitty panties?
The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
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Because the methods used today to catch murders, thieves and terrorists will be used tomorrow to spy on and catch political opponents and those who choose to dissent against the people in power.
You live in the Netherlands, research the methods that the Nazi's used to catch their political enemies and then decide if you feel comfortable with this technology being used in the current manner.
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The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
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What I don't get is why you wasted your time posting here. If you don't agree, don't bother. :good:
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Because the methods used today to catch murders, thieves and terrorists will be used tomorrow to spy on and catch political opponents and those who choose to dissent against the people in power.
You live in the Netherlands, research the methods that the Nazi's used to catch their political enemies and then decide if you feel comfortable with this technology being used in the current manner.
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I'm looking at the Berlin Wall right now, do you really think I do not know? Perhaps you do not get world history in primary school, but we do. As if the US political system is not already corrupt, please.
I have no idea where you are from, but if it it's USA you have no such right to speak, considering the way US society treats everyone who isn't a straight white male.
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What I don't get is why you wasted your time posting here. If you don't agree, don't bother. :good:
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Yes, excellent idea: "If you don't agree with me, i'd rather you just don't speak at all". Very dictatorial of you.
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I'm looking at the Berlin Wall right now, do you really think I do not know? Perhaps you do not get world history in primary school, but we do. As if the US political system is not already corrupt, please.
I have no idea where you are from, but if it it's USA you have no such right to speak, considering the way US society treats everyone who isn't a straight white male.
Yes, excellent idea: "If you don't agree with me, i'd rather you just don't speak at all". Very dictatorial of you.
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No, its called "take your thread-crapping act elsewhere"
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No, its called "take your thread-crapping act elsewhere"
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I agree , ShadowLea take your politicking crap else where...
thanks
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I suspect it would likely be embedded in the hardware.
And not easily bypassed.
That's how I'd do it.
And I have nothing to hide. But the rampant corruption and abuse of power is becoming a very serious issue.
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ever wonder why sometimes your google services takes alot more battery than your screen? you think its just syncing bookmarks etc?
well.. its actually sending all your information to NSA.
It is well known that Google work close with NSA and it is also known that Android is one of the operating systems that NSA has it clutches on.
So there you know..
It is sending your call logs, sms logs, contacts, info on apps installed, web history, you name it.
luckily there are ways to solve it when you are rooted.
Samsung Knox is one measure to prevent user to stop NSA from aqcuiring information. But luckily XDA exists and some of the worlds best android developers are here to help us stop this.
It just goes under the saying "help save battery, to reduce google services wakelocks" etc.. but in reality it means.. "help stop NSA getting your information.. saving battery is a huge bonus"
well.. Thats bout it, just thought id inform you of this!
aliendna999 said:
ever wonder why sometimes your google services takes alot more battery than your screen? you think its just syncing bookmarks etc?
well.. its actually sending all your information to NSA.
It is well known that Google work close with NSA and it is also known that Android is one of the operating systems that NSA has it clutches on.
So there you know..
It is sending your call logs, sms logs, contacts, info on apps installed, web history, you name it.
luckily there are ways to solve it when you are rooted.
Samsung Knox is one measure to prevent user to stop NSA from aqcuiring information. But luckily XDA exists and some of the worlds best android developers are here to help us stop this.
It just goes under the saying "help save battery, to reduce google services wakelocks" etc.. but in reality it means.. "help stop NSA getting your information.. saving battery is a huge bonus"
well.. Thats bout it, just thought id inform you of this!
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Can you prove any of that, or should we all just join you in the tin foil hat party?
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Can you prove any of that, or should we all just join you in the tin foil hat party?
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ofc i cannot prove it buddy. if i could, i would be on most wanted list just like Snowden
aliendna999 said:
ofc i cannot prove it buddy. if i could, i would be on most wanted list just like Snowden
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Then it's really just spam.
Dan1909 said:
Then it's really just spam.
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its called a theory based on many pieces of circumstantial evidence
Dan1909 said:
Can you prove any of that, or should we all just join you in the tin foil hat party?
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Some people and the theories they come up with. Without one ounce of proof this is just "information" to scare the masses. Was getting excited thinking this might be worthwhile information oh well next thread...
It is more than likely Google Checkin that is being identified as Google Services? IMO It is actually the whole framework at use...
Google Checkin: http://androidsecuritytest.com/feat...orts-and-agents/upload-agents/google-checkin/
aliendna999 said:
its called a theory based on many pieces of circumstantial evidence
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No, without any demonstrable evidence it's about as likely as Bruce Wayne using google services to map all of our homes, just in case he needs it for the next Batman film.
And you yourself just said you have no evidence, so it really is just pointless speculation.
wake up man..
it is allready out in the open that NSA spies on us. Dont you read the news?
it is already proven that NSA uses the Android OS to spy on us aswell. or do you want a source for this too? haha.. just google it.. NSA + Android
so how then, would google services be such a wild speculation on my part? hmm?
but yes, you are probably governtment payd shills on here to derail the topic .... suuure... i see whats going on here
aliendna999 said:
wake up man..
it is allready out in the open that NSA spies on us. Dont you read the news?
it is already proven that NSA uses the Android OS to spy on us aswell. or do you want a source for this too? haha.. just google it.. NSA + Android
so how then, would google services be such a wild speculation on my part? hmm?
but yes, you are probably governtment payd shills on here to derail the topic .... suuure... i see whats going on here
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Yes, because I doubt your unsubstantiated claims I'm obviously a government employee. Top notch reasoning there!
Could you point me to where I said the NSA aren't spying on people? Here's a hint, I haven't. What I've said is that what you posted in the OP is completely unprovable, and yet you state it like fact, so I asked for your evidence. As you couldn't provide any evidence, I dismissed it as another lunatic conspiracy theory.
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Yes, because I doubt your unsubstantiated claims I'm obviously a government employee. Top notch reasoning there!
Could you point me to where I said the NSA aren't spying on people? Here's a hint, I haven't. What I've said is that what you posted in the OP is completely unprovable, and yet you state it like fact, so I asked for your evidence. As you couldn't provide any evidence, I dismissed it as another lunatic conspiracy theory.
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then i ask again, why is the leap from NSA spying to us being proven and all over news - to the fact that they use Google services to do it? how is that such a huge leap and why does that leap make it a "lunatic conspiracy theory" ?
if they dont use google services, then what then? it is already proven that they Do spy on us on Android aswell , so why not google services?
and it is also proven that Google and NSA work together so again, why not Google Services?
why is such a "lunatic conspiracy theory"?
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Degrated Shadow said:
And someone make this psychotic guy disappear..
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How? He isn't using Google Services. Big Brother can't find him.
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