Does anyone know of an app that can record video and upload it to a cloud/server at the same time? That way, if you use said app to record a police officer breaking the law, and then they take and smash your phone, it would be too late for them, because the recording (minus whatever few-second buffer the app had) would already be uploaded and online?
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Does anyone know of an app that can record video and upload it to a cloud/server at the same time? That way, if you use said app to record a police officer breaking the law, and then they take and smash your phone, it would be too late for them, because the recording (minus whatever few-second buffer the app had) would already be uploaded and online?
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Having read your signature, I'm tempted to tell you to search.
Having seen that you have been a member here for 14 months and have never once thanked another member, I'm tempted to tell you where to go.
I will simply point out that an application capable of doing this would be highly illegal in many places, of which I am sure America is one, as you can't record someone without informing them of the fact first.
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Having read your signature, I'm tempted to tell you to search.
Having seen that you have been a member here for 14 months and have never once thanked another member, I'm tempted to tell you where to go.
I will simply point out that an application capable of doing this would be highly illegal in many places, of which I am sure America is one, as you can't record someone without informing them of the fact first.
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I wouldn't be asking if I hadn't searched first.
How on earth can you tell if I have never thanked another member? Have you read every single post I have ever made? In fact, I make it a point of mine to thank people for their time, for even bothering to read my post and give an answer, even if the answer is not helpful to me in anyway, for every positive suggestion anyone tries to make, provided they are not hostile.
edit: oh, I see, you mean I've never pressed the thank "button". Well then, I guess that means I'm an ungrateful, selfish bastard, doesn't it?
I'm not sure how an auto-uploading application itself would be illegal. But if what you meant to say was that it might be illegal to video record people, I'm not sure about the law in the USA, but I'll tell you what it is here in Canada:
- You can record anything, and anyone, without anyone's permission, as long as its in a public place, excluding public pools, gyms, schools and daycares. The general rule of thumb is that you can record anything that is outside or on the street.
- Your right to video record in a private establishment/business is at the discretion of the business owner/management.
- You can record the police, as long as you are not getting in their way while you do it
- You CAN record someone, in public, without informing them of the fact, but...
- You cannot distribute or publish videos of people without their prior written consent, or without obscuring their face and making it impossible to identify the person
Thanks for your time, for reading my post, and for replying!
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I wouldn't be asking if I hadn't searched first.
How on earth can you tell if I have never thanked another member? Have you read every single post I have ever made?
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Because your user profile tells me you have never thanked anyone.....
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I'm not sure how an auto-uploading application itself would be illegal. But if what you meant to say was that it might be illegal to video record people, I'm not sure about the law in the USA, but I'll tell you what it is in Canada:
- You can record anything, and anyone, without anyone's permission, as long as its in a public place, excluding public pools, gyms, schools and daycares. The general rule of thumb is that you can record anything that is outside or on the street.
- Your right to video record in a private establishment/business is at the discretion of the business owner/management.
- You can record the police, as long as you are not getting in their way while you do it
- You cannot distribute or publish videos of people without their prior written consent, or without obscuring their face and making it impossible to identify the person
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Nice to know that Canada has such liberal laws. I still can't get my head round why you would be expecting to require such an app unless you are planning to bait somebody?
Regardless, the data that would be consumed by such an app would be massive even if there was one available. Your best bet might be to look at one of those child-monitor type of apps which can run on a remote computer and use your phones camera to record from, but yet again without a wireless connection the date usage will be horrendous.
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Right, I've never clicked the 'thank' button. I make it a point to actually type out a thankyou message; it feels much more human and personal than simply clicking a button to raise a numerical counter. I wasn't aware it was such an important button, do people get prizes for having the most # of thanks or something?
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Nice to know that Canada has such liberal laws. I still can't get my head round why you would be expecting to require such an app unless you are planning to bait somebody?
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Actually, we have much more conservative laws in Canada when it comes to the police. We have no miranda rights. We have no "fruit from a poisoned tree" laws. Any evidence obtained with illegal means is admissable in court unless successfully challenged in a separate trial that the citizen themselves must initiate and pay for. We have a right to a lawyer, but that right doesn't mean anything, because if a person's accessibility to a lawyer was obstructed, there is no effect on the case or court proceedings whatsoever. And as far as I know, even in the USA, there are only a select few states that do not allow filming police, and then most of those say that you can film the police provided you do not record audio as well.
I'm honestly not planning on baiting any police. But I've been intentionally rammed and nearly run over while I was on a bicycle, by a cop car, because I couldn't get my headphones out fast enough to hear what they were saying. I've had a cop threaten to shoot my dog, because it was barking too much, even though it was on a leash and restrained. My female friends have, on more than one occasion, been stopped by police for petty things (jaywalking, public drunkenness, etc), and then told that they'll drop the charges if they "thank" the officer... These types of things need to be recorded for there to be any accountability.
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Regardless, the data that would be consumed by such an app would be massive even if there was one available. Your best bet might be to look at one of those child-monitor type of apps which can run on a remote computer and use your phones camera to record from, but yet again without a wireless connection the date usage will be horrendous.
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Yeah, I'm aware that even a few minutes of video can rack up several hundred mB of data. But with a well sized data plan, and turning the video resolution down as low as it can go, the data wouldn't be too massive, and besides, even if I have to pay an extra $20 to upload it, I don't plan on doing it every day, it would be worth the cost for the few occasions where it would be needed. Thanks for the suggestion about the baby-monitor app, I'll look into that.
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Right, I've never clicked the 'thank' button. I make it a point to actually type out a thankyou message; it feels much more human and personal than simply clicking a button to raise a numerical counter. I wasn't aware it was such an important button, do people get prizes for having the most # of thanks or something?
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Actually, the 'Thanks' meter does two things;-
1) It shows other members how useful to the XDA society someone is - which can also be helpful if you are working out whether to trust the advice they have given you
2) It stops threads being filled up with "Thanks", "Cheers dude", "Great work" etc posts which just waste space and bump threads for no good reason, also making it take longer to actually search for meaningful information.
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Actually, we have much more conservative laws in Canada when it comes to the police. We have no miranda rights. We have no "fruit from a poisoned tree" laws. Any evidence obtained with illegal means is admissable in court unless successfully challenged in a separate trial that the citizen themselves must initiate and pay for. We have a right to a lawyer, but that right doesn't mean anything, because if a person's accessibility to a lawyer was obstructed, there is no effect on the case or court proceedings whatsoever. And as far as I know, even in the USA, there are only a select few states that do not allow filming police, and then most of those say that you can film the police provided you do not record audio as well.
I'm honestly not planning on baiting any police. But I've been intentionally rammed and nearly run over while I was on a bicycle, by a cop car, because I couldn't get my headphones out fast enough to hear what they were saying. I've had a cop threaten to shoot my dog, because it was barking too much, even though it was on a leash and restrained. My female friends have, on more than one occasion, been stopped by police for petty things (jaywalking, public drunkenness, etc), and then told that they'll drop the charges if they "thank" the officer... These types of things need to be recorded for there to be any accountability.
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Three examples in there;-
1) The dog one - yes, you might well have been able to get your phone out in time to record, but I suspect the cop might well have changed his tone if you tried that. If a cop tried that with my dog I'd probably have ripped his head off for it though.
2) You friends jaywalking and drunk in public - the cop was out of order with those comments, but I doubt your friends would have been in any fit state to try and get a phone out, run an app etc, and the cop would probably not have been stupid enough to repeat the comment on film
3) If you were riding with your headphones on then firstly you wouldn't have been able to get your phone out, and secondly you should have been arrested and had your bike and whatever you were listening to music on taken away from you. Idiots who ride bikes while listening to music cannot hear what is going on around them and frequently cause accidents as a direct result of not being aware of their surroundings. I have no sympathy with this one at all - you would, to my mind, have deserved everything you got for being so damn stupid and inconsiderate of other people
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Yeah, I'm aware that even a few minutes of video can rack up several hundred mB of data. But with a well sized data plan, and turning the video resolution down as low as it can go, the data wouldn't be too massive, and besides, even if I have to pay an extra $20 to upload it, I don't plan on doing it every day, it would be worth the cost for the few occasions where it would be needed. Thanks for the suggestion about the baby-monitor app, I'll look into that.
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The baby-monitor app is going to be no good for you as it would need to be permanently connected. Much better to just get one of those mini 'spy' cameras with an SD-card and rolling record facility and make sure it isn't clearly visible.
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382500,00.asp
for those of you on TapATalk
This looks like some well-meaning, do-gooder idea, but I can assure you that it's the camel sticking its head in a tent. I'm referring to the breaking news about how four U.S. Senators (who apparently have nothing better to do) want to control what apps you can or cannot buy. They began their effort by nearly demanding that Apple eliminate any iPhone apps that help consumers find police checkpoints, so they can avoid them.
The rationale behind removing these apps is the Senators say the only reason people would want to avoid a police checkpoint is because they're drunk. Thus, they've rationalized that the apps are a hazard to the public.
The four U.S. Senators, all Democrats, are Charles Schumer of New York, Harry Reid of Nevada, Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey and Tom Udall of New Mexico, and they should be voted out of office as soon as possible. What's wrong with the voters?
In a widely quoted joint letter to Apple's iPhone VP, Scott Forstall, the Senators wrote:
We write today with grave concern regarding the ease with which downloadable applications for the iPhone, iPad, and other Apple products allow customers to identify where local police officers have set up DUI checkpoints. With more than 10,000 Americans dying in drunk-driving crashes every year, providing access to iPhone and iPad applications that alert users to DUI checkpoints is harmful to public safety.
If this is actually about public safety, then why don't the Senators also advocate removing all the apps that show the numerous speed traps around the country? After all, speeders are a danger too, no? In fact, speeding is the leading cause of death not drunk driving.
By the way, sober people like to avoid police checkpoints, too, if you haven't noticed. Who the heck wants to go through a police checkpoint to be grilled like a criminal for doing nothing more than driving down the street?
This whole thing is an attempt to regulate apps. Already we've seen the FCC poke its nose into regulating the Internet by getting involved in net neutrality issues. As this column is being written, meetings are taking place all over Washington to find ways to regulate the distribution and use of the Internet. Watch CSPAN sometime and you can see the guys ready to set up shop to do this.
This will eventually mean licensing. In the early 1900s, when the radio hobby was blossoming, you didn't need a license to broadcast anything. We thought free access was going to change the world. Then the government jumped in because things were supposedly getting too chaotic. The hobbyists were shoved into a few specific bands and the pros (commercial companies) were required to have a license. Soon the hobbyists (ham operators) were required to have a license too.
And where is all the real action in the radio spectrum? The unlicensed bands. Now, another Legislator, Peter King wants to ban the ham radio folks—the only people who manage to communicate during real emergencies—from operating. Again there is a bogus rationale. In this case, it's because of the idea that Muslim hams can plan terrorist attacks. This is our government at work.
The nerve of these four Senators to pressure a private company like Apple to sell or not sell something is incredible to me. This crap is just going to get worse as long as guys like this remain in office.
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**** THAT!!!!!!!! (sorry mods)
Oh yea Muslims will plan terrorist attacks inside the country via open unencrypted radio waves...imagine their callsignes lol...
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Nicgraner said:
Oh yea Muslims will plan terrorist attacks inside the country via open unencrypted radio waves...imagine their callsignes lol...
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"This is big slushi calling little slushi everything is ready at the 7/11 over"
Thas SOMe POOP!!
Look there is and never will be a way to control digital media whether its APi's ir APK. they should take some lessons from the Music and Movie industries.... . so yeah know they think that an open source like android. will be kept in Cheked? what ever..... just saying that if its digital it will never be tamed!!!
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Look there is and never will be a way to control digital media whether its APi's ir APK. they should take some lessons from the Music and Movie industries.... . so yeah know they think that an open source like android. will be kept in Cheked? what ever..... just saying that if its digital it will never be tamed!!!
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What they are getting at is they want to regulate the type of applications that are made available via public access application markets. They are not wanting to watch what is made available via, forums or what not, just what is on the market. It's a stupid idea to me. Developer sends app to google, FCC/DOJ clears the app it goes lives. This could easily be controlled. But you are 100% correct if someone makes an app, we'll say this DUI checkpoint app, and post it via any forum their is no way of one person, or group of being able to control it. Esp if lets say 2 dozen people store the .apk somewhere on a hard drive.
You people are forgetting these are the same morons who can't even operate computers much less babbling about mobile platform. These idiots always try some BS as they never understand it they will never be able to control jack all I hear from them is talking but they are saying nothing honestly. Now talking about DOJ/FCC watch AT&T own them as all know the Gov works for THE DeathStar so the at&Tmobile merge will go without hitch.
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You people are forgetting these are the same morons who can't even operate computers much less babbling about mobile platform. These idiots always try some BS as they never understand it they will never be able to control jack all I hear from them is talking but they are saying nothing honestly. Now talking about DOJ/FCC watch AT&T own them as all know the Gov works for THE DeathStar so the at&Tmobile merge will go without hitch.
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I was thinking that but wasn't going to say it. I didn't want to pull sides. But i do agree. 99% of everything they touch ends up FUBARd.
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I was thinking that but wasn't going to say it. I didn't want to pull sides. But i do agree. 99% of everything they touch ends up FUBARd.
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Ya thats cheap publicity stunt as they trying to show brain washed Americans they are actually doing something. Its all total BS when we should be worried about real issues in USA but we have to deal with these type of BS. I still don't see why we can't just hang them for high treason and get it over with. I know I am harsh but we need this type actions to get rid of these degenerates. It don't matter who we put in office they all part of the same good ol party of BS politicians.
This is why freedom no longer exists in the USA! You can't even leave the country of your own will! Gun control is a prime example. My ssn doesn't do squat for me because some killer is in the florida state penitentiary that has the same name as me! They make me wait for a fire arm. Yet my fingerprints and ssn are suppose to help eliminate that issue. The laws are for control not protection! Why would any sane individual hold the head of a dead man up to get his picture taken with them? These are the new soldiers that are being bread. The kind of trash that will do what the government tells them to do. Not what they should no is wrong. Look at law enforcement. My wife use to be in it. Now she is disgraced that it has gotten as bad as it has. Look at education. Kids are being dumbed up instead of taught. The less knowledge, money, skill, and power you have, the more obedient you will be! Just remember George Washington! He knew what to do and when to do it.
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xHKMx Dude......Sir that was well said!!! well said.........
Be aware if you are too happy with Dropbox!
http://www.informationweek.com/news/storage/security/229500683
I hope you are not pushing your too private info to DropBox...undo it if you already did...Good luc!
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I don't think someone else is uploading the same "special" photo of me to dropbox to share among my boxes, so I should be safe
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Be aware if you are too happy with Dropbox!
http://www.informationweek.com/news/storage/security/229500683
I hope you are not pushing your too private info to DropBox...undo it if you already did...Good luc!
rcjpth
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I was warning people about them weeks ago. But that was because they had admitted they will share your files and info about them with just about anyone with some semblance of official office.
That was enough for me. I removed all files, cancelled my account and uninstalled everywhere.
Read their T&C and you will too ... if you are smart.
isn't this only important for those with sensitive data.
all i store is music, movies and school projects.
who cares if someone sees that?
Good to know. Thanks.
honestly, what files can you possibly have stored there that authorities can use as evidence against you in a court of law?
and second why warn people? unless you believe a good percentage of people on this forum are criminals in some shape, way or form AND you're okay with crimes they have or will commit like pedophiles or identity thieves... not cool!
DiGiTY said:
and second why warn people? unless you believe a good percentage of people on this forum are criminals in some shape, way or form AND you're okay with crimes they have or will commit like pedophiles or identity thieves... not cool!
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Actually, yeah - according to current IP laws - I think quite a few are. I can well imagine that many here have some app, program, song, movie or something that is not 100% legal.
As to perverts and thieves, this is not that kind of forum, so I think there are few of them here. However, just sharing an APK that is not 100% free is a crime, according to the letter of the law.
The reason I say anything at all is that quite a few otherwise good people are suffering from our current archaic and antiquated legal system.
Ignorance of the real world and how it really works is also not cool, as it can land you in jail.
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I can well imagine that many here have some app, program, song, movie or something that is not 100% legal.
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I know this might be viewed as crazy, but unencrypted cloud storage should be viewed as unsecured no matter who provides it. Because it is.
I had heard about the dropbox thing a month ago, and was not in the least surprised. Needless to say it had no impact at all on my use of dropbox.
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Actually, yeah - according to current IP laws - I think quite a few are. I can well imagine that many here have some app, program, song, movie or something that is not 100% legal.
As to perverts and thieves, this is not that kind of forum, so I think there are few of them here. However, just sharing an APK that is not 100% free is a crime, according to the letter of the law.
The reason I say anything at all is that quite a few otherwise good people are suffering from our current archaic and antiquated legal system.
Ignorance of the real world and how it really works is also not cool, as it can land you in jail.
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Trust me; they can give a rat's ass about IP laws. When I got busted running a server, the FBI were only called in because they thought I had child porn too. When they realized their mistake... nothing. All those IP law infractions in my possession and nothing happened. Their real concern is people using technology like this to further their crimes against REAL people. I say go ahead and peek.
I've tried a lot of apps... none work even reasonably well. Big $$$ to anyone that can show me an app that can record both sides of the conversation on the DC. Froyo preferred, but if it has to be GB, I'll still pony up cash.
Bottom line is that in some way, even if it requires speakerphone, I need both sides at an audible level. Show me an app that can do that on the DC and I'll show you the money.
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I've tried a lot of apps... none work even reasonably well. Big $$$ to anyone that can show me an app that can record both sides of the conversation on the DC. Froyo preferred, but if it has to be GB, I'll still pony up cash.
Bottom line is that in some way, even if it requires speakerphone, I need both sides at an audible level. Show me an app that can do that on the DC and I'll show you the money.
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Wrong section, and this requires kernel patches.
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Wrong section, and this requires kernel patches.
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If it requires kernel patches, wouldn't this be the right section?
*edit* I typed this when this post was still in the Development thread.
I still want to know if something requires kernel patches why it shouldn't be in the DEV thread.
Is it just because this is a request?
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I've tried a lot of apps... none work even reasonably well. Big $$$ to anyone that can show me an app that can record both sides of the conversation on the DC. Froyo preferred, but if it has to be GB, I'll still pony up cash.
Bottom line is that in some way, even if it requires speakerphone, I need both sides at an audible level. Show me an app that can do that on the DC and I'll show you the money.
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Is this even legal??
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Is this even legal??
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Conversation recording laws vary by state.
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Wrong section, and this requires kernel patches.
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Happy to patch as needed, again, if anyone would be so kind enough as to direct how this can be done on a Charge, I'm more than happy to renumerate.
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Happy to patch as needed, again, if anyone would be so kind enough as to direct how this can be done on a Charge, I'm more than happy to renumerate.
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It might be a good idea to shoot a PM or an email to the devs of MIUI (www.miui.us). When I was using MIUI on my Fascinate, it had a modified Dialer which had the option to record calls. I would love to see this feature as I have a few voicemails that I would enjoy keeping permanently.
...Also if anybody contacts them, I totally want their modified version of the File Manager. It automatically groups together similar file-types on an SD card, regardless of location. I think all of their modified apps require MIUI's framework though :-(
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One person on the recording has to have knowledge that the conversation is being recorded. I researched this in VA for my own knowledge.
The laws are different in each state. Please refer to the following for your state laws:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html
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If it requires kernel patches, wouldn't this be the right section?
*edit* I typed this when this post was still in the Development thread.
I still want to know if something requires kernel patches why it shouldn't be in the DEV thread.
Is it just because this is a request?
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I agree, it may well better belong in the Dev thread (thus why I posted it there) but here's fine too I guess.
I'm just really surprised that for as long as the Charge has been out that nobody has managed to get 2-way call recording working. I've tried a good number of apps and most just produce blank/silent results, or, that only the person speaking into the Charge can be heard, the other end is inaudible.
I'll pay a hundred bucks for someone to get it working on the Charge (working meaning both sides are clearly audible).
The probable reason why this is hasn't been developed is because it is illegal in many states. The person who develops such an app or kernel patches could face legal action against them if someone gets caught using this in a state where it is illegal.
If that were the case, many companies would be in danger of legal recourse, including the maker of Total Recall, www.killermobile.com.
This is simply not the case. Take for example the analogy of using a knife, gun, crossbow, or ballpoint pen to commit a crime such as murder. The makers of these objects are in no way liable for the action of the consumer.
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If that were the case, many companies would be in danger of legal recourse, including the maker of Total Recall, www.killermobile.com.
This is simply not the case. Take for example the analogy of using a knife, gun, crossbow, or ballpoint pen to commit a crime such as murder. The makers of these objects are in no way liable for the action of the consumer.
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That example is a bit of a stretch. What you're asking someone to develop is just outright illegal in many states if the person using the app/patch doesn't notify the other party prior to or at the beginning of the recording. Not to mention that most devs don't have end user license agreements to cover their asses. I'm NOT saying that the person who develops this for you will definitely, beyond the shadow of a doubt, receive legal repercussions. I'm saying that it's a possibility.
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The probable reason why this is hasn't been developed is because it is illegal in many states. The person who develops such an app or kernel patches could face legal action against them if someone gets caught using this in a state where it is illegal.
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Let me tell you why your opinion is wrong.
Just because a product *can*be used for illegal purposes does not MEAN
that it is/will be. There are many examples of this FACT: namely: Alcohol consumption.
Obviously it isn't illegal to buy (at the age of 21)
It also isn't illegal to drink yourself into a coma, unless you
intend to operate a car.
The word that comes to mind is "responsibility."
So it's NOT up to the developer to hinder development because YOU feel
you need to act as a law enforcement officer (under the false pretense of illegalities you deem are of a higher and moral priority) when said developer
is within his/her legal RIGHT to create it.
If there is a market for a product it can and will be sold.
What the consumer does is NOT your business nor of your concern.
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Let me tell you why your opinion is wrong.
Just because a product *can*be used for illegal purposes does not MEAN
that it is/will be. There are many examples of this FACT: namely: Alcohol consumption.
Obviously it isn't illegal to buy (at the age of 21)
It also isn't illegal to drink yourself into a coma, unless you
intend to operate a car.
The word that comes to mind is "responsibility."
So it's NOT up to the developer to hinder development because YOU feel
you need to act as a law enforcement officer (under the false pretense of illegalities you deem are of a higher and moral priority) when said developer
is within his/her legal RIGHT to create it.
If there is a market for a product it can and will be sold.
What the consumer does is NOT your business nor of your concern.
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I like how you completely overlooked my second response. I was not trying to be a law enforcement officer, despite what you may think. I have not called the police, FBI, CIA, NSA, or even a mod to try to shut this thread down. I am not telling developers not to create what they want, I'm not even telling them not to create these particular patches.
I merely made a statement saying that they may receive legal repercussions. I wasn't even throwing my own morals into this discussion. Exactly where was I preaching that this was a moral issue and that it's wrong to attempt this?
Call Recording on Samsung
Is available for Android 2.2.1
Recording works automatically for regular use and speaker phone, but is not possible for cable-headset or bluetooth. The output is amr encoded (cell phone standard), there are computer applications able to play it back.
I have not heard of it working on anything later than Android 2.2.1 Froyo, but it might be out there?
Two-way call recording requires hardware support in the device. This is somewhat rare though the predecessor Galaxy S has it, so perhaps Droid Charge has it, too?
App stores are abundant with apps claiming two-way recording, but as far as I have experienced (20 or so apps), none actually do.
To get it working, it requires rooting the phone, flashing a rom and installing a few apks. Takes several hours and may in the end not succeed.
When I did this, I got to see the black screen of death many times (telling you to return the phone to Samsung) and sometimes thought it was all over, but Samsung Kies, sometimes adb, and lots of finger grease saved the day (night.)
Conclusion is, short of a devoted software engineer attacking a Droid Charge, the world won't get to know if it works on this device.
Hope that helps!
so apparently the German government (and other entities) have been using silent sms attacks to keep tabs on its civilians
they send a silent sms to someones phone, it dosent show up at all on their device, but it pings back Imei numbers and other info, which can be cross reffed with the operator log of the towers and used to compile an entire movement profile for an individual
now i dont know about you but as an upstanding citizen this kind of crap concerns the heck outta me.
i believe further exploration into some sort of defense against ssms attacks is in order but it is way above my paygrade
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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Eeroz said:
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
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Not the OS developers, it purely has to do with the carriers. I remember reading a lot about similar things in the past, like pinging a phone, class 0 sms', etc. Does anyone have any related links, whether relating to the governments use or these pinging sms' in general? Sounds like an interesting topic!
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It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I hear you there. Look at the new chip they want in all cell phones in the US starting this year for government based SMS for terrorist threats and amber alerts. Wonder why it is gonna be connected to the GPS and phone mic?
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
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Any proof about this?
Do a search for Fema chips in cell phones and see.
zeekiz said:
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I know that maybe a bit harsh but some of my freinds were those that stood up for our rights and freedom and for someone to say its OK for a government to remove that right rubs me wrong.
I would to if you were innocent until proven guilty but we all know that is not the case anymore. Now you are guilty until proven innocent.
I think the days of thinking that our government is out for the good of people is long over.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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Oh for my "protection" well thats okay then.
So whats your stance on carrier IQ then? after all its only sending information that will make our phone using experiance better, And from a safety issue SOPA and the Australian internet filter are brilliant, Means I can not access those nasty sites that will put me at risk, Just like in China. It does not stink of isolationisim and control at all. And all no one should want ANYTHING kept private if they are not breaking the law should they? Infact privacy breeds suscpicion. How about for everyones safety you post your private details and smses as well as your daily schedule so we know you are not going around consorting with terroists or drug dealers.
Anyone who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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^^^^--- This.
Anyway, as far as being able to track you they would need probable cause to even begin to attempt to defend themselves if any government type decides to do this. At least enough to warrant a search a seizure. I don't know how the laws are outside of the states but I can imagine unless you're in a dictatorship or you live in a communist nation the laws are similar.
Higher-ups have always been able to do this, that's not the question. The question is the legitimacy of the situations that they decide to use their power.
LOL
I love you guys who born and grow up in the US. and Western part where democracy is practicing daily.
Coming off a communist country, I love freedom a lot but ......... if you do no harm to the nation, no harm to the country, no harm to the community and no harm to anybody, then you SHOULD NEVER worry about it.
If you say "Obama is suck and I hate him" you not gonna be jailed for that.
If you say "I hate white president and I never vote for those again", you not gonna be fined for that.
If you say "I just have sex with my g/f and she moans like crazy", they not gonna care to listen to your conversation.
But if you are up to something, potentially put the nation, commnunity at risk, yes, you are deserved to lock up for the rest of your life as the safety issue for the rest.
Period.
Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Look at all the articles about how carriers gave the FBI an open ticket to their systems. The government has been doing unwarrented wire taps for years now in the name of security which is BS.
As for the previous comment no you don't get in trouble for things like that but let me tell you a true story about a buddy of mine.
He and his girlfreind got into an argument where she made up lies about how he said he would kill her for threating to run away with their child. The cops find him on a bus leaving state. Tosses him in jail for 4 weeks until he sees a judge as their is no bail in the state for demestic issues. Then he get 6 months probation and has to pay $4000 in fines. Cant go to trial as she cant be found. Now he has assault on his record and is having trouble finding work as all it says is ASSAULT nothing else. All for words he never said. But even if he had it was still just words. Nothing more. No history of violence. Just an empty threat.
Yeah freedom right. Guilty until proven innocent
Wow, never heard this until now
So I am trying to find a free (hideable) phone activity monitoring app. I need to be able to hide it so it's not visible on the phone unless you really dig, I already know how to do that part. I preferably want it to save messages, app activity, pictures, phone calls, and social media activity.
My wife, soon to be ex wife, has been cheating on me and I need proof of adultery for the inevitable court case thats going to come once I serve her the papers so I can keep her from taking me for half or everything.
I don't mind paying like $5 to $10 a month but the only issue with that is she has access to bank statements and will see the charges and figure out what I am doing, I'm trying to keep that from happening, hence the need for it to be free.
Thank you in advance.
Oh yeah, she has an IPhone 13 Pro
And I am running a Samsung 21 Ultra
I'm beginning to see why you're having problems... no one likes a nosey Parker.
Yeah I know, I'm not the one hacking accounts and bringing people into our bed for me to come home and walk in on. I ain't be a nosey Parker, in reacting accordingly to the situation that I was forced into and now I'm covering my bases
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Yeah I know, I'm not the one hacking accounts and bringing people into our bed for me to come home and walk in on. I ain't be a nosey Parker, in reacting accordingly to the situation that I was forced into and now I'm covering my bases
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XDA doesn't condone illegal activities. What you're asking to do violates federal and likely state laws in the USA and many other countries as well.
Putting a legal activity tracking app on my own personal property that was purchased by me, is in my name, and is paid for by me is not illegal, and was also adviced for me to do by my lawyer. But you are entitled to your own opinion sir, but I don't need your two cents on my personal situation. I asked a simple question, if you have helpful advice I'm willing to listen, otherwise I respectfully don't need to hear it.
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Putting a legal activity tracking app on my own personal property that was purchased by me, is in my name, and is paid for by me is not illegal, and was also adviced for me to do by my lawyer. But you are entitled to your own opinion sir, but I don't need your two cents on my personal situation. I asked a simple question, if you have helpful advice I'm willing to listen, otherwise I respectfully don't need to hear it.
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Ask your lawyer to supply one. He seems to have the wherewithal.
There's no way for me or anyone here to determine the validity of your claims. Personally I think it's underhanded, unethical and illegal unless your wife is a minor.
Fair enough, I appreciate the help and banter, I look elsewhere for advice. Hell, Im pretty sure I won't find any worse treatment or un-warrented criticism elsewhere than I received from you good sir. I attempted to remove the thread but it doesn't see I have the ability, so you are more than welcome to step down from that high horse of yours to remove it yourself.
Even with the the uncalled for words and judgement I still hope you never have to experiance what I'm dealing with. But I do hope someday you learn how to talk to people with atleast a shred of common decency or respect.
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Fair enough, I appreciate the help and banter, I look elsewhere for advice. Hell, Im pretty sure I won't find any worse treatment or un-warrented criticism elsewhere than I received from you good sir. I attempted to remove the thread but it doesn't see I have the ability, so you are more than welcome to step down from that high horse of yours to remove it yourself.
Even with the the uncalled for words and judgement I still hope you never have to experiance what I'm dealing with. But I do hope someday you learn how to talk to people with atleast a shred of common decency or respect.
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It has nothing do with a lack of empathy on my part.
Five years in Federal prison is a long time. Mind you the other person you speak of is also a stranger to me as well. I'm neutral... but you're the one I -see- trying to step out of line.
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It has nothing do with a lack of empathy on my part.
Five years in Federal prison is a long time. Mind you the other person you speak of is also a stranger to me as well. I'm neutral... but you're the one I -see- trying to step out of line.
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Five years is a long time, regardless of institution or whether it's federal or state, that's still going to take a decent adjustment period. But you aren't being neutral, your throwing judgement, even just by saying I'm the one stepping out of line. You don't know any of the facts, how long it's been happening, what been done, the level of faithfulness and loyalty from each party, income from each party.....the list keeps going. So how can you say I'm the one stepping out of line? All your doing is making a judgment based off your own assumptions. I know the inside teaches men to think a certain way and act a certain way, but it also normally teaches most mutual respect is a 2 way street. That we should always start of with a level of respect towards the other, and if it isn't matched that's when you come with the un-needed rude, judgemental etiquette.
Atleast that's one of the things it taught me. Not to mention many others, another important being that your a grown man and entitled to your opinion and how you feel...I'm also a grown man, who isn't bothered by other people's opinions or how they view me, I also know I don't need to continue this, so I'm just going to end it by saying that if you really did do 5 years and you still talk to and treat people like this, it must have been a pretty cushy institution
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Five years is a long time, regardless of institution or whether it's federal or state, that's still going to take a decent adjustment period. But you aren't being neutral, your throwing judgement, even just by saying I'm the one stepping out of line. You don't know any of the facts, how long it's been happening, what been done, the level of faithfulness and loyalty from each party, income from each party.....the list keeps going. So how can you say I'm the one stepping out of line? All your doing is making a judgment based off your own assumptions. I know the inside teaches men to think a certain way and act a certain way, but it also normally teaches most mutual respect is a 2 way street. That we should always start of with a level of respect towards the other, and if it isn't matched that's when you come with the un-needed rude, judgemental etiquette.
Atleast that's one of the things it taught me. Not to mention many others, another important being that your a grown man and entitled to your opinion and how you feel...I'm also a grown man, who isn't bothered by other people's opinions or how they view me, I also know I don't need to continue this, so I'm just going to end it by saying that if you really did do 5 years and you still talk to and treat people like this, it must have been a pretty cushy institution
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Here's my retort for a cheap shot...
Electronic Communications Privacy Act
I was just returning the judgemental rudeness that you were so keen to begin with and continue to use towards me, only one person here to blame for my response.
That was a cute little click bait attempt you played there, smooth.
Except even though i have a S21 Ultra I run PureOS on it.
Debian OS is immune to most modern viruses whether they are android or iOS based because it runs as neither.
Like I said tho, good attempt. If this was ran on the typical software I would have had an issue.
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