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Small downside to Touch Pro

MICROSD is UNDER the battery cover...how lame..almost like they are reverting back to oldschool smartphones aka htc tornado and such lol

on the other hand, as it's supposed to be a business phone, maybe it's designed to prevent spies from swapping cards too easily (to upload a virus or copy your contact data without you noticing) or avoid SDs from falling out in case of earthquakes, tornadoes, plane crashes...
Those HTC guys, they think of everything !!!

Lies! The HTC TOUCH PRO HAS NO DOWNSIDES!!
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Yes. lol almost every phone has a downside that HTC makes. Otherwise, well, HTC wouldn't be HTC. I'd be surprised if HTC makes a phone that everyone likes. I want a iPhone with WM running on it. Now that would be kick-ass. Someone godly pro should get a ridiculous amout of money for doing that so he gets some motivation. I know someone can do it. And just to say, if the iPhone gets a hardware keyboard/externa memory version. We can all say bye bye to the WM market :[

hilarious!!

but wait im SURE people are gonna make aftermarket back covers that have a hole/slot so you dont have to hack it to pieces with a razor to get the ease of access lol

i am slightly concerned for the touch pro's music prowess.

I really like it that the microSD is now beneath the battery cover. I currently own a TyTN and here the microSD can be accessed from the outside and is easily ejected just by putting some pressure on it.
Sometimes it already happened, that I ejected the SD just by accident when I put it out of my pocket.
I do not swap my microSD very often because you can easy access it through ActiveSync, and for the few times I load a huge bunch of data to it, it's not a big deal just to remove the cover and put it out.
So my conclusion: Putting the microSD beneath the backcover, brings more protection to the microSD and more style to the phone. (the slot would "break" the stylish surface)

I agree. I have the same problem with my Tytn, it sometimes accidently comes out and on top of that a lot of dirt can get in the slot. And i'm not so fond of those fiddly little sd slot covers they put on other phones. They tend to break or loosen. So thumbs up for HTC that they put their sd card slot on the inside!

when does it come out??? i wanna sell my tytn ii for it. that wouldnt be much of a hastle . i usually bluetooth files to my phone aniways.

i presume there still isnt a 3.5mm jack on the touch pro?

No, there's not. Headphone/Headset is connected through the USB mini connector.

No 3.5mm jack!
That's the only down side I see with the touch pro.
But I do like that the Micro SD slot is hidden because I do not want my SD card popping out and me losing my music and files.

I don't think that's a downside at all. Like some people said, it is a lot safer there.
And think on the bright side, it could be under the battery itself, like it is on my phone, which really really sucks.

frustin said:
i presume there still isnt a 3.5mm jack on the touch pro?
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Despite what play.com syas Im sure the audio out is via the usual ext_usb socket, as is video out (with the correct adapter).

Even then I really think that to access the memory card one have to take the batt cover, is a downside, not big but a valid one.
I wonder with time if the cover will not get a bit loosely ...

"I want a iPhone with WM running on it. Now that would be kick-ass."
hehe that would solve the fact that one had to take out the batt to change sdcard pretty sufficiently
"I do not want my SD card popping out and me losing my music and files."
hhmm if you pop it back in they'd be back though

The only thing I am concerned about is the fact when I will actually be able to put a 16GB MircoSD card in the pro...
Announced in January, these "babies" are yet not available...
But HTC certainly wants us to use 16GB cards ... so where are those

Jorlin said:
Announced in January, these "babies" are yet not available...
But HTC certainly wants us to use 16GB cards ... so where are those
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Sandisk had orginally said they would be out in June but we have kinda missed that already. There a few pics on the net of Symbian phones with the a test 16GB card in and these have been around for ages.
I spoke to their customer service a couple of weeks ago.
SanDisk Technical Support said:
As of the moment we do not have any updates as to when is the exact or estimate date when this card will be release. You may check our website www.sandisk.com for updates or press release from time to time.
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jwhitham said:
Sandisk had orginally said they would be out in June but we have kinda missed that already. There a few pics on the net of Symbian phones with the a test 16GB card in and these have been around for ages.
I spoke to their customer service a couple of weeks ago.
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Very dissapointing...

The last thing you want is a spring-loaded micro-SD ejecting across a crowded pub... they're *tiny* and real buggers to find if they escape. Sounds like a flaw, but maybe not. I'll put an 8Gb card in, then probably never swap it until I get a bigger card. Lack of a 3.5mm jack is a bigger pain, but I survive now with the stupid 2.5mm jack on my Prophet.

Pros and Cons HTC Touch Pro aka HTC Raphael

Pros and Cons HTC Touch Pro aka HTC Raphael
I have Touch Pro with original ROM: 1.90.404.1 NLD
Done some registry hacks found in many threads.
Here is a PDF which has some of my noticed Pros and Cons of this phone compared to my old one: HTC p3300 and compared with the Touch Diamond and possible also the iPhone.
What do you think?
Add Pros and Cons on this thread to make the list longer, or if you have solutions for some problems place them here as well.
Greetz

Does the camera light stay on when the camera is in video mode?
I had the Eten X500+ and when I switched it to camera mode (not recording video but switched from photo mode to video camera mode) the led light on the back would stay on and made a great flashlight!
Can someone let me know if the Touch Pro does the same thing?
That would be a definite pro!

thing is, if they ever made the perfect PDA they would never be able to shift other devices unless it had major leeps in technology software and hardware wise.
That is exactly why i think they cut out the SD slot on the diamond and gave it less RAM. it makes a market for 2 devices, in this case the Diamond and the Pro, i am pretty sure that had the diamond had those two extra features sales of the pro would have been poor, only folk needing a keyboard would have bothered getting it.
Which is exactly why i cant decide which to go for yet.

paultje_007 said:
Pros and Cons HTC Touch Pro aka HTC Raphael
I have Touch Pro with original ROM: 1.90.404.1 NLD
Done some registry hacks found in many threads.
Here is a PDF which has some of my noticed Pros and Cons of this phone compared to my old one: HTC p3300 and compared with the Touch Diamond and possible also the iPhone.
What do you think?
Add Pros and Cons on this thread to make the list longer, or if you have solutions for some problems place them here as well.
Greetz
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nice info, thanks mate.

dazza9075 said:
thing is, if they ever made the perfect PDA they would never be able to shift other devices unless it had major leeps in technology software and hardware wise.
That is exactly why i think they cut out the SD slot on the diamond and gave it less RAM. it makes a market for 2 devices, in this case the Diamond and the Pro, i am pretty sure that had the diamond had those two extra features sales of the pro would have been poor, only folk needing a keyboard would have bothered getting it.
Which is exactly why i cant decide which to go for yet.
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I think it was mentioned that HTC had to leave out sd slot to keep it the size it is. I cant believe they would do that just to help with Pro sales. The keyboard is enough of a difference to get people to buy it. Just my opinion.

pjmiebach said:
Does the camera light stay on when the camera is in video mode?
I had the Eten X500+ and when I switched it to camera mode (not recording video but switched from photo mode to video camera mode) the led light on the back would stay on and made a great flashlight!
Can someone let me know if the Touch Pro does the same thing?
That would be a definite pro!
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On Pro if you open camera and click on options and then click on Flash On it turns on what I would call a "Modeling Light" that stays on then flashes when you take the shot - kind of like a strobe. So yes this modeling light is a great flashlight in a pinch. Thanks for pointing that out - I had not thought of that.

elwuero said:
I think it was mentioned that HTC had to leave out sd slot to keep it the size it is. I cant believe they would do that just to help with Pro sales. The keyboard is enough of a difference to get people to buy it. Just my opinion.
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thats possible, but if you look at the size of them, there is very little difference in it, and the actual size of a microSD is only a couple of mm including the connections, their not daft, i wonder how many folk go for the pro over the diamond only because it has SD, and that will be the number of forced upgrades HTC has made by not including the SD.
I just had the diamond in my hands and its tiny compared to my Orbit, i dont need the keyboard but the SD is a big boon on the pro so thats the way im leaning. otherwise id have the diamond in a flash. instantly more money for HTC

instantly more money for HTC
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Only of you buy it
You're right in that they obviously need to distinguish the models sufficiently so they appeal to different market segments. A microSD was probably a feature that was decided to be in the more business-like Pro, and it's their prerogative to design their phones however they like. They're in it to make money, and they are going to try to squeeze as much money out of us as they can.
Anyway, there's always the Samsung i900 Omnia. It looks like an excellent phone, thinner, 8 or 16GB of internal storage as well as a microSD slot (although it does have a lower WQVGA resolution). Personally I went with the Pro because of the microSD (over the Diamond), keyboard (over the Diamond and Omnia) and the screen (over the Omnia).
Have fun making a decision, it's half the fun of getting a phone/gadget

pjmiebach said:
Does the camera light stay on when the camera is in video mode?
I had the Eten X500+ and when I switched it to camera mode (not recording video but switched from photo mode to video camera mode) the led light on the back would stay on and made a great flashlight!
Can someone let me know if the Touch Pro does the same thing?
That would be a definite pro!
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Indeed, in camcorder mode the light on the back stays on constantly.

Incarniac said:
Only of you buy it
You're right in that they obviously need to distinguish the models sufficiently so they appeal to different market segments. A microSD was probably a feature that was decided to be in the more business-like Pro, and it's their prerogative to design their phones however they like. They're in it to make money, and they are going to try to squeeze as much money out of us as they can.
Anyway, there's always the Samsung i900 Omnia. It looks like an excellent phone, thinner, 8 or 16GB of internal storage as well as a microSD slot (although it does have a lower WQVGA resolution). Personally I went with the Pro because of the microSD (over the Diamond), keyboard (over the Diamond and Omnia) and the screen (over the Omnia).
Have fun making a decision, it's half the fun of getting a phone/gadget
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Ugh, the Omnia? I seem to be the only one who feels this way, but I think the Omnia is a piece of garbage compared to the Xperia/Touch Pro. I don't understand why it's included in all of the talks, every review I've seen makes it out to be comparable to an LG Dare... Which, although a nice phone, isn't going to really impress anybody.

Black93300ZX said:
but I think the Omnia is a piece of garbage compared to the Xperia/Touch Pro. I don't understand why it's included in all of the talks
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I wouldn't call it a piece of garbage, but you're probably right in terms of comparing it to the Xperia and Touch Pro. If the Touch Diamond is an option (as it appeared to be), however, then I would think the Omnia is as well (unless the difference in screen resolution is a deciding factor).

2 new cons
Here are 2 new cons:
I would like to see more favorites in the Contacts Tab of Tflo3d.
It would actually than be unlimited 'Contacts Tab' and no longer '15 Favorites Contacts Tab'.
PLus I would like to see a bluetooth icon on the 'Start'-bar or Menu-bar when bluetooth is on. Now when bluetooth is on and you browse through your phone there's no way to tell if bluetooth is still on, no icons or flashing lights tell you so.
If you forgot it is still on your battery will eat more power than when it's off.
Good place would be just left next to the 3G (or H [HSDPA]) icon.
Greetz
pallemans

Isnt't there a Bluetooth icon already on the start bar "just left next to the 3G (or H [HSDPA]) icon."...? Is on mine...

kempas said:
Isnt't there a Bluetooth icon already on the start bar "just left next to the 3G (or H [HSDPA]) icon."...? Is on mine...
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Just tried it on mine and I get one too, right where he suggested would be a good place

Yeap... there it is...
But the issue with the maximum of 15 contacts is bothering me too...
Did anyone find a tweak to increase that?

paulyluca said:
Yeap... there it is...
But the issue with the maximum of 15 contacts is bothering me too...
Did anyone find a tweak to increase that?
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I'm guessing there is a reg tweak. Some one on here managed to get some extra tiles and stuff on the programs tab (didnt get it 100% working but I think they're still trying). I bet there is a similar tweak for the contacts page.

Bluetooth Icon and more favorites contacts
Yep, I got the bluetooth icon back, but had to perform a hard reset to get it.
So if someone knows the reg edit to get the bluetooth icon back ones you've lost it that would be great. I probably lost it using Advanced Config Tools 3.1 or when entering some reg tweaks from several threads here on XDA.
This is for when I lose it again.
Second: The adding more persons to the contacts tab than just those 15 'favorites', so far nobody knows how. The only solution is the upcoming touchXperience by schap's, but this is a completely refurbished touchflo3d version.
I hope this touchXperience is all I need, to make TouchFlo3D better than it is now.
Greets Pallemans

Still undecided
Great feedback. However, I still cant decide. If only the Omnia had a better screen resolution. Or if only the TouchPro had generous storage as the Omnia....

illi said:
Great feedback. However, I still cant decide. If only the Omnia had a better screen resolution. Or if only the TouchPro had generous storage as the Omnia....
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I am not sure what is making it so hard, you can always get a 8gb microsd class IV on ebay for around 40, and the internal storage of 500mb is obvious sufficient for any program you'll need if you are worrying about the loading time...

that Pro has "small" (?) internal storage is a non-issue
before x-mas we'll have 16GB microSD and probably even 32GB

Anyone else with a Huawei S7 tablet here?

I have had my Huawei S7 Android tablet for a week now, and I'm really longing for some Rom hacks - especially to move apps to SD since it apparently only has room for 128MB of apps according to SystemPanel and I'm getting "low space" notifications all the time and thus can't install updates, Gtalk won't run (I think it's related), etc.
Rooting was really simple, just download and run UniversalAndroot.apk but the next steps I'm a bit uncertain about; finding and installing the right Recovery image, then if I succeed installing some apps2sd solution (Darktremor?) or just some Froyo rom.
Another issue is that the SD card is almost not used for anything, seems like all my apps uses internal memory instead of external, maybe that's a 2.1 thing. I transfered a bunch of .avi movies to my microsd card, but Rockplayer can't find them unless I move them to internal memory.
~Christopher

Hi. Just pre-ordered here in the States, hopefully this will ship by the 7th of Nov. One quick question is the screen in your device resistive or capacitive? As for your dilemma with storage I'm sure that soon a solution will be found by someone here.

manfly9884 said:
One quick question is the screen in your device resistive or capacitive?
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Resistive.

From what I have seeing, the resistive screen is pretty responsive, so this is not a major problem. The small storage space is something that must be addressed if this device is going to last. The archos 7 had this problem in the beggining untill a custom ROM took care of this by doubling the storage size. I think that the HS7 will be fixed in this way first then a2sd might kick in later on.

grenness said:
Another issue is that the SD card is almost not used for anything, seems like all my apps uses internal memory instead of external, maybe that's a 2.1 thing. I transfered a bunch of .avi movies to my microsd card, but Rockplayer can't find them unless I move them to internal memory.
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Fixed.
The internal storage memory in the S7 is called "SDCARD" for some stupid reason (have they just bought a lot of cheap 8GB SD Cards and glued them to the motherboard, not bothering with formatting and giving them a different name like "STORAGE" or "DISK"?).
This apparently confuses several applications.
The name for the external Micro SD card, I found out by using Terminal Emulator, is "SDCARD2", so by specifying to RockPlayer that /this/ is where to look for files (SDCARD2 doesn't show up when browsing the directories, not in RockPlayer, not in Astro File Manager, not in stock Video player...) I am finally able to play .avi files from my MicroSD

Good going!

Wow
Ok so got mine yesterday at BestBuy and im very impressed with this tablet. Put my tmobile sim card in and works great for data and calls. GPS also works very well.
It would be great to root and put Froyo on this. Screen is very responsive and fit and finish is great. At $299 they have a home run.

the screen is good until you try to double tap its nice but mines is going back to bestbuy and i will be getting samsung tab

Got mine over the weekend along with a Cruz Reader and a Cruz Tablet from Best Buy for comparison. Hands down the Huawei is far superior. The capacitive screen alone is just not enough to overcome the rest of the shortcomings of the Cruz Tablet. The S& screen is the best resistive screen I have used, add in BT and 2.1 and I am happy so far. Now we just need a chef to start cooking....

Got mine yesterday!
I just picked mine up for Best Buy yesterday and I am still playing with it to make my final decision. But for the most part I am liking it. The screen responsiveness it pretty good not as good and my HTC EVO which is what I am use too but it is far better than what I was expecting. A hugh plus is that it has the Android market and front and rear cameras. The only down side it that there is still not much to choose from as far as apps to use the cameras. I got this device to eliminate carrying my Mac from place to place and still be able to post to decision boards and work on my papers when I'm away from home. So far this device has exceeded my expectations.
What is everyone else feeling about their S7?

pbrauer said:
Got mine over the weekend along with a Cruz Reader and a Cruz Tablet from Best Buy for comparison. Hands down the Huawei is far superior. The capacitive screen alone is just not enough to overcome the rest of the shortcomings of the Cruz Tablet. The S& screen is the best resistive screen I have used, add in BT and 2.1 and I am happy so far. Now we just need a chef to start cooking....
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Wow, so happy you posted this! I was trying to decide between the S7 and the Cruz Tablet, so happy I got this one instead. I'm happy so far!

We have done an unboxing. Available here: http://www.mytabletlife.com/2010/11/09/huawei-ideos-s7-unboxing/
A review will be coming soon.

blazingwolf said:
We have done an unboxing. Available here: http://www.mytabletlife.com/2010/11/09/huawei-ideos-s7-unboxing/
A review will be coming soon.
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So far I am impressed with this little tablet. You get a 7 in 3G capable tablet with all the Google Apps (Market, Maps, GMail) for 200 less then the Galaxy Tab.
Two big down faults. It is running 2.1 currently (promised to be upgraded Q1 2011) and it is resistive touch. No I will say its probably one of the better resistive touch screens I have used so its not to bad.
There also may be a storage issue. Even though there is 8GB installed, its not for APPS. You have only around 180MB available with the default apps installed. Hopefully this can be remapped with the next update (or XDA members do some magic)
Battery life might be around 6 hours, 3-4 with 3G on.. Not totally sure yet.
But I am more impressed with this guy then the $399 Veiwsonic GTablet. Out of the box is just a better experience and you get google apps with no hacking.
We will have full review later on at MyTabletLife.com
CPG

Huawei S7 Android Tablet
Hello All,
I purchased this Tablet a couple of days ago and a little disappointed. I am with T-Mobile and the reception i get on this is only EDGE. Can anyone on T-MO confirm if you are able to get 3G on this? Also, when using Launcherpro or ADW, I am unable to place widgets on the desktop. Anyone experiencing this?

3G
Just got my S7 Tablet, will verify to see if I get 3g reception.

Our review of the Huawei Ideos S7 has been posted. Visit MyTabletLife.com to check it out.
This tablet needs to get in more hands. Huawei has said it will get 2.2 early 2011 but the Snapdragon processor in this baby is begging for it NOW! lol
CPG
MyTabletLife.com

got me one
I got one 3 days ago and so far I am very impressed. And yes, it is crying out for froyo. So far I like everything in it. I am using it with Simple Mobile with no problem thou I have not tried the 3G since I use clear for my internet connection. The battery life is even better than my HD2. The only downside are.
1. The front facing Camera it is not fully integrated with the system. Fring does not recognize it so for video conference uses the rear one (pointless). I tried other apps and they don't see it either, they see only one camera. The main camera app does recognize thou. This could get fixed with froyo.
2. I takes quite a bit to get used to a resistive screen after using a capacitor one.
3. Market is restricted, but you can root the tablet and use Market Enabler.
4. No video out (for now) but it does have room for a ...docking station? or some proprietary add ons.
5. The speakers are good and loud, but connected to external speakers is the opposite.
All of these things don't bother me much except for the front facing camera problem.
I can't wait to find a case or something, it looks too nice to drop it or scratch it.

totally agree about the case! I spent 45 minutes at BBY yesterday trying every case they have for e-Readers, etc but nothing was a good fit. The closest I found was a Wenger Swiss Army pouch, but I really want something that will protect it all the time. I know myself well enough to know that a pouch just means I will drop it taking it out.
I am not sure what you mean about Market restrictions though, I haven't run into this on mine, are you sure it is not just an App Version/OS Version problem?

Today I tried SIM card from both T-Mobile and At&T.
At&t- VOICE worked, however could not get any data working on this device. I hope this isnt the case. I am going to try again. CAN ANYONE confirm they tried an AT&T SIM and data didnt work for you also???
T-Mobile- Voice & DATA worked, however it is EDGE ONLY. T-mobile 3G did not work.
This will be the shame if this is the case. The box says 3G, so people will return this for not working. I am hoping the AT&T data problems were a fluke.
CPG
View review of Huawei Ideos S7 at MyTalbetLife.com

AT&T?
I just picked this from Best Buy. Great little device for it's price. I haven't been able to get either voice or data to work on ATT. I see a few people with success with T-Mobile. To the ATT folks here has anyone got it to work, and if so did you have anything special to do?
Thanks in advance.

[Q] Is there any good WP7 phones?

Hi all.
In a akward position, im limited in money and I own a Omnia 7 proven to not work with my carrier. Im on no contract for this phone, this is my second Omnia i'm now giving up on, im returning it after maaaany failuers from Samsung.
Also a friend have the LG Optimus 7 and its working great, but the SD card compared to NAND memory is visible and the screen is no good and compared to Omnia screen, not very exact on screen positions (i type i and keep getting u, and i can misstype the same letter like 4 times on a row. No, the LG are to sliw and to sheply made phone.
Now the hard thing being limited on money is knowing (and gets confirmed to some degree) they will now charge almost the double and that i cant afford.
I love big screens and looked at HD7 and while it seems to me to be the only solid working phone compared, it's not equiped with compass, the screen have got many talking(never seen it myself) And then its the Venue Pro, right screen, but it seems to be just as bothersome as Omnia 7 with buggs and errors Samsung is giving up on trying to fix. Also noted in DVP forum is that the camera is horrible compared to some WP7 models and no anti-shake!? DVP seems to have the compass etc that mango is opening up for thou. And changing SD card seems to be easy (need at least 16GB minimum and only 8GB availble here)
So what can i do, im about to give up on great hardware that no other WP phone can match (the speed of the NAND memory is visible compared to th LG phone at least) and move on to ... Nothing? Pricing on the new WP seems to get high and im about to become phone less. Im left betrayed by Samsung and will NEVER ever again rekomend there products.
HD7 and DVP is the only screen sizes i would use ... i feel lost.
So any HD7 and DVP owners that can give a helping advice to clear my foggy brain? I can't decide ... plz help.

HTC 7 Mozart, End of discussion best phone I have ever had and will be buying it bakc agian can handle any other phone.

The LG Optimius is the only wp7 phone (HTC 7) wiht 2nd gen qualcoom msm8255 , and its the cheapest

dstyl said:
The LG Optimius is the only wp7 phone (HTC 7) wiht 2nd gen qualcoom msm8255 , and its the cheapest
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Lovly, but a lot looks nice on paper. And the reality is diffrent. They must have messed up the rest. Its like, i got 650 bhp in my car but only one one gear that takes me max to 50 Kmph (30mph?) No good race car there since its kind of crippled.
Note: darn its fun to do funny comparisons. Heres one free.
Buying a Samsung Omnia 7 is the same experience as buying a new luxury sportscar, only to find they forgott to deliver a complete car, and all you get is the chassi.

What issue do you have with Omnia 7 and your wireless provider?
Also, LG Optimus 7 actually uses NAND. HTC HD7 and Dell Venue Pro uses microSD.

yeh , htc show two new phone s just a moment,you know?\

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What issue do you have with Omnia 7 and your wireless provider?
Also, LG Optimus 7 actually uses NAND. HTC HD7 and Dell Venue Pro uses microSD.
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Random call gets muted, cant hear the the other, thou call is clearly connected. Also a random issue is that voices gets throu but gives a robotic voice to us calling so nobody can hear the other. This can happen 10 calls in a row.
Internet speed is sloooow most of the times. This is the only phone in our COUNTRY reporting this issue and never experienced anything like it. Add to that that there trying to cover it up. Oh the story is looong and i seriously dont want to hear the name Samsung in my preasence. Everything the done up till now is setting a example of how to NOT treat there customers. So while being a MS fan, and still beliving in the more the merryer, i still would be happy if they went out of bussniess, they clearly showed me they have nothing to do in it ... to not explode of anger thinking about the .....
Change of topic... My friend broke his screen on his Optimus 7 (told him but did he listen? nooo Clearly a SD card installed so maybe there diff versions out?
And new topic again.
Yeah, saw the new HTac devices and also expected pricing. I would not use a phone with smaller screen then 4', and that is stretching it. So even if the screen mqy be bad, its a solid device and a obvious choise. But the price ... i bought my Omnia on a special price and therefore when money gets back, it wount be enough. All i get is like... oh, dont know dollar from top of my head, but it wont be enough thou. :'(

DVP is a fantastic phone. Get a T-Mo or unbranded version so you can get the latest firmware. I have *no* glitches/bugs at all, it is rock solid.
The only issue is that the camera is not great, but with Mango you can tweak settings and save them persistently, which mitigates this a lot.

I have a DVP and mine is rock solid too. The recent firmware update has resolved the crashing with Wifi. In the old firmware, the microSD card and Wifi were using the same DMA channel, so conflicting.
Of course, it's always possible to get a bad handset, so if you get a DVP wait until you're sure it's stable before swapping out the microSD card. Dell will void your warranty if they notice that you have removed the black tape covering the microSD slot.
The DVP is relatively thick / heavy compared to the Omnia 7 because it has a very good hardware keyboard. If you want a keyboard, the DVP is a great phone! As you mention, the camera is not the best, although better with Mango.
Shame you can't afford the Mango generation devices!

So the issuess with DVP camera is not so much the quality of pic´s as the actuall funkctions of it that will get fixed then?
Thnx for your replyes, and thickness isn´t that of a issue. The Omnia 7 had nice hardware, that what draw me in as the main thing. And i like the picture quality.
And yeah, shame on my economy holding back for a Titan, it spells everything i wanted exept maybe the screen. One you go Omnia 7 black you neverwant to go back =)

Id go with an HTC phone in general. Been using the brand along time, about 6 years. I personally have an HD7 and Id say its a pretty solid phone.
As far as the compass goes there is one available through HTC hub in HTC apps.
Not that Im biased but HTC has been around along time and has proven quality. Look at Samsung troubles with there first wp7 update. Thats after I had heard that samsung doesnt update there drivers like HTC does.
Id go with an HD7 again. Even the new phones arent that much of an upgrade from the HD7. Im waiting a few months to see if HTC comes out with anything better. AMOLED screens being one, dual core processors. Now thats an upgrade.
Not to mention easy chevron unlock and HSPL for the HD7.

I like the heft of my HTC. Really "feels" like superior build quality.

Intressting notes on HD7 thnx.
I also am a long time user of hTC, my last being the HD2. Now hTC have had a lot of bad software work in past but on the WP7 devices the way hTC works seems to fitt the new OS like a glove.
The screen quality + the bad software made me give Samsung a chance. While they never have had good rep on there phones, the shown dedication on Android devices during 2010 gave me confidence that they would not repeat past mistakes, they have once again confirmed they have nothing to do in the mobile market. And IF you have a working Samsung phone, pray to the all mighty you dont need to seek there help, cuz you will get the worst customer support i ever experienced.
Im itchy for a hTC device again, but looking att Dell im curious, allthou i should by now for my own peace of mind settle for a devi e proven stabile. Only screens and the real GEO services that made me a bit carfull on HD7. And concerning screens, what is it with hTC and good screens!?
mm, HD7 or DVP, seems you guys are giving what i was scared of, very good and solid points.
Still have some time since its taking its sweet time sorting paperwork.

The point about the DVP camera is that it's poor quality, especially in low light. The flash is totally in adequate and can result in a yellow banding effect because there's a covering over it that tints the light it emits.
On Mango you can tweak the camera settings similarly to how it worked before Mango, *BUT* you can finally persist the settings. There are some settings like sports mode and futzing with the ISO etc that make it better.
Also, Mango has the ability to take a photo when the screen is tapped, which helps keep the phone still and minimizes blurry shots -- before this I found it nearly impossible to get a clear pic at all.
So, now it's "*barely* passable" instead of "utterly horrible."
I think the DVP is the best WP7 device out there (until the Mango ones come out, I guess).

I've got the HD7 and it's a great device. Love the big screen and the cool design The kickstand is also a nice feature to have. You can't really make out a difference between MicroSD and NAND when it comes to everyday usage. NAND may be faster but you won't notice the difference. I'm really happy with it and I'd never sell it (well - maybe for a Windows Phone 7 phone with dualcore processor, front cam and Tango or Apollo on it ). And a compass is available via Marketplace (HTC only). HTC will also release HTC Watch and HTC Locations for WP7 and the HTC Hub will get a major update.
So...Take the HD7, maybe put the Mango RTM on it and you'll be as happy as a little kid

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The LG Optimius is the only wp7 phone (HTC 7) wiht 2nd gen qualcoom msm8255 , and its the cheapest
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Optimus_7 It's the QSD8650, which is basically exactly the same as the QSD8250 that all the other 1st gen phones are using.

Question 2 Days in dealing with file transfer Hell

This is my first Android phone without a micro SD card, and it sucks trying to transfer large files. I'm coming from a Note 10+ with 256GB internal storage and a 512GB micro SD card. So, with a 512GB internal storage only, I'm already taking a step backwards. I've always kept most large files on my SD card and it was simple to place the SD card in the new phone. It's always made backups simple, ever since Android did away with USB Mass Storage. I know I'm old school, but I've also chosen the Note series because it's always been the Swiss Army Knife of cell phones. But, they constantly remove features to the point where there's very little differentiation from other phones. I wish I would've bought a Note 20 Ultra before Samsung stopped making them. But, who knew they would eliminate the micro SD completely. They did it with the Note 5 and apparently realized it was a mistake because they brought it back for the next 5 generations. I almost switched to the Xperia Pro or I III. Except Sony put 95% of their phone features into the camera. I run multiple businesses and I've always relied on the Note with the option of pulling the SD card for quick file transfer. We got minor upgrades in processor and battery, but I don't know if I can except the trade off for what's been omitted. This $1,300 phone might be going in the trash if I can't find some important trade-offs. So far, it seems like a downgrade to my 2019 premium phone.

In the US you can still buy new factory sealed N10+'s and N20U's.
I bought a new N10+ 4 months ago to serve as a backup for my first one. I don't think the N20U is as reliable and it's variable refresh rate display like all of the variable refresh rate displays doesn't have as good a color rendering index as the N10+. The cam hump and that lame lefty spen... idiots.
No SD card slot, no sale. Personally I like to have two 1tb SD card slots.
Screw Sammy for turning all Apple
Call Samsung up and share the wuv

I have had to do 2 factory resets to try and solve some issues. Smart Switch isn't cutting it. Samsung wants me to put in the code off of my other Galaxy device?! I have no other Galaxy device now.
This whole deal starting with the presale has been a disaster. The phone has not been what the specs were either.

blackhawk said:
In the US you can still buy new factory sealed N10+'s and N20U's.
I bought a new N10+ 4 months ago to serve as a backup for my first one. I don't think the N20U is as reliable and it's variable refresh rate display like all of the variable refresh rate displays doesn't have as good a color rendering index as the N10+. The cam hump and that lame lefty spen... idiots.
No SD card slot, no sale. Personally I like to have two 1tb SD card slots.
Screw Sammy for turning all Apple
Call Samsung up and share the wuv
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The left handed S-pen seems retarded. I understand (but still not happy with) the constant rearrangement of the power/volume buttons. I've gotten used to everything being on the left side. But, my Tab S6 has right side buttons. So, if you're gonna switch sides, at least put the power button above or below the volume rocker to match other devices. My patience is running thin. I may be on the search for a new N20U. I still have my 10+, but the back screen's broken and the wifi antenna struggles to reconnect to existing wifi at times. Again, the brand alternatives are slim. I appreciate your point of view on tech.

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This is my first Android phone without a micro SD card, and it sucks trying to transfer large files. I'm coming from a Note 10+ with 256GB internal storage and a 512GB micro SD card. So, with a 512GB internal storage only, I'm already taking a step backwards. I've always kept most large files on my SD card and it was simple to place the SD card in the new phone. It's always made backups simple, ever since Android did away with USB Mass Storage. I know I'm old school, but I've also chosen the Note series because it's always been the Swiss Army Knife of cell phones. But, they constantly remove features to the point where there's very little differentiation from other phones. I wish I would've bought a Note 20 Ultra before Samsung stopped making them. But, who knew they would eliminate the micro SD completely. They did it with the Note 5 and apparently realized it was a mistake because they brought it back for the next 5 generations. I almost switched to the Xperia Pro or I III. Except Sony put 95% of their phone features into the camera. I run multiple businesses and I've always relied on the Note with the option of pulling the SD card for quick file transfer. We got minor upgrades in processor and battery, but I don't know if I can except the trade off for what's been omitted. This $1,300 phone might be going in the trash if I can't find some important trade-offs. So far, it seems like a downgrade to my 2019 premium phone.
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You're not wrong here, pal. I am trading in a N20U for this new S22U that I just received yesterday and the one thing I do dread, is having to backup constantly. I am certainly NOT going to succumb to cloud storage and it sucks ass through a straw to know that every time I add new memes to my collection that stays on my phone, I have to sift through to find those that aren't already backed up. In addition, I can no longer factory reset without affecting the external SD card. If a factory reset is done, EVERYTHING goes bye bye. While this new phone is extremely fast and in a class of its own, it sucks that Samsung went the Apple way — pretty lame.

Steigerelli said:
The left handed S-pen seems retarded. I understand (but still not happy with) the constant rearrangement of the power/volume buttons. I've gotten used to everything being on the left side. But, my Tab S6 has right side buttons. So, if you're gonna switch sides, at least put the power button above or below the volume rocker to match other devices. My patience is running thin. I may be on the search for a new N20U. I still have my 10+, but the back screen's broken and the wifi antenna struggles to reconnect to existing wifi at times. Again, the brand alternatives are slim. I appreciate your point of view on tech.
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You still have patience with Samsung?
The rear cover for the N10+ is cheap. Replace the battery and anything else needed.
Get a rear cover seal and the seal or assembly for the cam cover if not included with the replacement.
I use the Zizo Bolt case as it gives good drop protection. Easy to hold and keep clean.

I think you should've done your research first since it was already advertised in the first place that it won't have an SD card slot. and before you pre-order, there are device specifications to look at. blaming won't Samsung will not help you, there's a lot of information leaking out before it was introduced to the public.

I came from being an avid user of microSD-cards as well, but as sadly most current phones don't support them any more I moved on....
What I use for file transfer is the app "Total Commander" together with the "Wifi Transfer" Plugin, then connect both phones via Wifi direct (is a bit faster than going over the Wifi router in my house which is used by the whole family) and then copy files over.... Oh, and don't forget to remove battery optimization for both TC and thw Wifi plugin.....

Maximo Beniares Jr. said:
I think you should've done your research first since it was already advertised in the first place that it won't have an SD card slot. and before you pre-order, there are device specifications to look at. blaming won't Samsung will not help you, there's a lot of information leaking out before it was introduced to the public.
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I did my research. There are a lot of us that have been discussing our frustration for months over the omission of the micro SD card slot. I still like a new premium phone every couple of years.

The truth is, unfortunately, these things are spy devices. We shouldn't be keeping personal files and data on these devices. Take your pics and videos and back them up off your device. I don't do the pathetic social media thing, too, so that helps and eliminates any need for personal pictures and videos having to stay on my device. I'm just giving a bit of perspective.

Coming from a note 10 plus with 256 internal and 512 sd card. Used smart switch through a cable and took around 2 hours to transfer 450 Gb of files. I do have the 1 tb model. Don't know if that makes a difference

Get a USB C style micro-sd adapter and plug it into the phone and an SD into that? At one point I am sure samsung were even shipping adapters with their first generation of USB C devices.
Something like this (this is just a quick google, I have not checked nor am I endorsing this particular product, or seller) - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/37378004...7779&msclkid=5a468d1beed019e9d88def02ff420f60
Edit: even trusted companies like kingston sell options, and it was compatible with the S21 Ultra, so should be fine on the S22 Ultra - https://www.mymemory.co.uk/kingston-mobilelite-duo-3c-microsd-card-reader.html

I dont know how this lack of mountable storage is such a big issue for people? Buy a phone with sufficient internal storage and call it a day. And as already mentioned, keeping your entire personal history on your phone is dumb.
I use my laptop to store my files and back them up to an external drive. Super easy to transfer what I need to my new phone.
I do a fresh install of my apps over a period of days priortizing by usage.
It is best to do a clean install. Using a file transfer app to move data and apps from one phone to another can lead to problems. I guess everyone wants an instantaneous process because they want quick and easy.

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I dont know how this lack of mountable storage is such a big issue for people? Buy a phone with sufficient internal storage and call it a day. And as already mentioned, keeping your entire personal history on your phone is dumb.
I use my laptop to store my files and back them up to an external drive. Super easy to transfer what I need to my new phone.
I do a fresh install of my apps over a period of days priortizing by usage.
It is best to do a clean install. Using a file transfer app to move data and apps from one phone to another can lead to problems. I guess everyone wants an instantaneous process because they want quick and easy.
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Yep, why I got a 1TB model. Also bought a Super Speed USB 3 cable and the transfers are lightning quick. The one that came with the phone is USB 2.0 speed.

Would you provide a link to the one you purchased?

I was in the exact same boat. I spent 2 days transferring files and it sucks.

It was two hours for me also. Bundled cable is 2.0 only? What's with all the high wattage cables being USB 2.0 only. Though honestly never really had high regards to Samsungs included cables, they fall apart within a couple month of just simple plug/replug (I don't manhandle devices or cables).
Anyone else go from 65% initial charge to ~ 20% in that span as well?

Steigerelli said:
This is my first Android phone without a micro SD card, and it sucks trying to transfer large files. I'm coming from a Note 10+ with 256GB internal storage and a 512GB micro SD card. So, with a 512GB internal storage only, I'm already taking a step backwards. I've always kept most large files on my SD card and it was simple to place the SD card in the new phone. It's always made backups simple, ever since Android did away with USB Mass Storage. I know I'm old school, but I've also chosen the Note series because it's always been the Swiss Army Knife of cell phones. But, they constantly remove features to the point where there's very little differentiation from other phones. I wish I would've bought a Note 20 Ultra before Samsung stopped making them. But, who knew they would eliminate the micro SD completely. They did it with the Note 5 and apparently realized it was a mistake because they brought it back for the next 5 generations. I almost switched to the Xperia Pro or I III. Except Sony put 95% of their phone features into the camera. I run multiple businesses and I've always relied on the Note with the option of pulling the SD card for quick file transfer. We got minor upgrades in processor and battery, but I don't know if I can except the trade off for what's been omitted. This $1,300 phone might be going in the trash if I can't find some important trade-offs. So far, it seems like a downgrade to my 2019 premium phone.
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Don't trash it donate it to a charity for a good cause and stick with your Note 10+. YOU KNEW there was not gonna be an SD Card option but you bought it anyway. No SD Card and No Audio Jack is the future of phones. Without those it offers more space for the battery and better cooling solutions. If you have a 512 gb SD card why didn't you go with 512gb internal storage? It was only $100 more than 256gb which would have doubled your storage.

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Don't trash it donate it to a charity for a good cause and stick with your Note 10+. YOU KNEW there was not gonna be an SD Card option but you bought it anyway. No SD Card and No Audio Jack is the future of phones. Without those it offers more space for the battery and better cooling solutions. If you have a 512 gb SD card why didn't you go with 512gb internal storage? It was only $100 more than 256gb which would have doubled your storage.
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No SD card slot impacts chipset cooling options little. Most heat is dissipated through the display side and almost none through the frame rail.
Samsung better get their rabid gerbil dancing act together especially after their latest data breach atrocity.
Tired of Samsung telling the customer what they want and need. Screw that. Put out or get out Sammy.
My one N10+ is 512gb. It takes way too long to load that big a drive when you could simple slam in a loaded sd card and be good to go. That's what I did on my 2nd N10+, hit the ground running and setting it up.

blackhawk said:
No SD card slot impacts chipset cooling options little. Most heat is dissipated through the display side and almost none through the frame rail.
Samsung better get their rabid gerbil dancing act together especially after their latest data breach atrocity.
Tired of Samsung telling the customer what they want and need. Screw that. Put out or get out Sammy.
My one N10+ is 512gb. It takes way too long to load that big a drive when you could simple slam in a loaded sd card and be good to go. That's what I did on my 2nd N10+, hit the ground running and setting it up.
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They gonna do what they think is in the best interests of the majority of users and not the niche group (a few percentage) that actually fill up 512gb of storage. It's saves them money not having the SD card and increases their profits because they force you to buy a phone with more than the standard storage option. You got two choices. Accept it or buy a different brand.