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Small downside to Touch Pro

MICROSD is UNDER the battery cover...how lame..almost like they are reverting back to oldschool smartphones aka htc tornado and such lol

on the other hand, as it's supposed to be a business phone, maybe it's designed to prevent spies from swapping cards too easily (to upload a virus or copy your contact data without you noticing) or avoid SDs from falling out in case of earthquakes, tornadoes, plane crashes...
Those HTC guys, they think of everything !!!

Lies! The HTC TOUCH PRO HAS NO DOWNSIDES!!
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Yes. lol almost every phone has a downside that HTC makes. Otherwise, well, HTC wouldn't be HTC. I'd be surprised if HTC makes a phone that everyone likes. I want a iPhone with WM running on it. Now that would be kick-ass. Someone godly pro should get a ridiculous amout of money for doing that so he gets some motivation. I know someone can do it. And just to say, if the iPhone gets a hardware keyboard/externa memory version. We can all say bye bye to the WM market :[

hilarious!!

but wait im SURE people are gonna make aftermarket back covers that have a hole/slot so you dont have to hack it to pieces with a razor to get the ease of access lol

i am slightly concerned for the touch pro's music prowess.

I really like it that the microSD is now beneath the battery cover. I currently own a TyTN and here the microSD can be accessed from the outside and is easily ejected just by putting some pressure on it.
Sometimes it already happened, that I ejected the SD just by accident when I put it out of my pocket.
I do not swap my microSD very often because you can easy access it through ActiveSync, and for the few times I load a huge bunch of data to it, it's not a big deal just to remove the cover and put it out.
So my conclusion: Putting the microSD beneath the backcover, brings more protection to the microSD and more style to the phone. (the slot would "break" the stylish surface)

I agree. I have the same problem with my Tytn, it sometimes accidently comes out and on top of that a lot of dirt can get in the slot. And i'm not so fond of those fiddly little sd slot covers they put on other phones. They tend to break or loosen. So thumbs up for HTC that they put their sd card slot on the inside!

when does it come out??? i wanna sell my tytn ii for it. that wouldnt be much of a hastle . i usually bluetooth files to my phone aniways.

i presume there still isnt a 3.5mm jack on the touch pro?

No, there's not. Headphone/Headset is connected through the USB mini connector.

No 3.5mm jack!
That's the only down side I see with the touch pro.
But I do like that the Micro SD slot is hidden because I do not want my SD card popping out and me losing my music and files.

I don't think that's a downside at all. Like some people said, it is a lot safer there.
And think on the bright side, it could be under the battery itself, like it is on my phone, which really really sucks.

frustin said:
i presume there still isnt a 3.5mm jack on the touch pro?
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Despite what play.com syas Im sure the audio out is via the usual ext_usb socket, as is video out (with the correct adapter).

Even then I really think that to access the memory card one have to take the batt cover, is a downside, not big but a valid one.
I wonder with time if the cover will not get a bit loosely ...

"I want a iPhone with WM running on it. Now that would be kick-ass."
hehe that would solve the fact that one had to take out the batt to change sdcard pretty sufficiently
"I do not want my SD card popping out and me losing my music and files."
hhmm if you pop it back in they'd be back though

The only thing I am concerned about is the fact when I will actually be able to put a 16GB MircoSD card in the pro...
Announced in January, these "babies" are yet not available...
But HTC certainly wants us to use 16GB cards ... so where are those

Jorlin said:
Announced in January, these "babies" are yet not available...
But HTC certainly wants us to use 16GB cards ... so where are those
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Sandisk had orginally said they would be out in June but we have kinda missed that already. There a few pics on the net of Symbian phones with the a test 16GB card in and these have been around for ages.
I spoke to their customer service a couple of weeks ago.
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As of the moment we do not have any updates as to when is the exact or estimate date when this card will be release. You may check our website www.sandisk.com for updates or press release from time to time.
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jwhitham said:
Sandisk had orginally said they would be out in June but we have kinda missed that already. There a few pics on the net of Symbian phones with the a test 16GB card in and these have been around for ages.
I spoke to their customer service a couple of weeks ago.
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Very dissapointing...

The last thing you want is a spring-loaded micro-SD ejecting across a crowded pub... they're *tiny* and real buggers to find if they escape. Sounds like a flaw, but maybe not. I'll put an 8Gb card in, then probably never swap it until I get a bigger card. Lack of a 3.5mm jack is a bigger pain, but I survive now with the stupid 2.5mm jack on my Prophet.

Do you still have unlmtd data, and whats your next phone.

Im curious. Do you still have unlimited data? What are your plans about keeping it? Whats your next phone?
I switched to the 6GB share plan, and I'm either getting an iPhone 5, or a Droid DNA.

Seriously?..... I guess we should each have our own thread when we decide to get a new phone.
Each day that passes, I look more and more forward to getting away from the redundancy and boringness of these Tbolt forums.

Well I'm loving my TB its on liquid ics 3.2 I think over fast and the next fone should be the Droid DNA or Samsung note 3
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Why in the hell would you switch from unlimited to 6GB? You do realize that higher phones will pull more data, higher quality video streams, and so on right? What used to be 4GB on the TB will turn into 8GB on the DNA or other similar phones.
Anyway I bought the DNA and gave it a trial run, found out it really wasnt for me and didnt suit my needs so I'm back on the TB. The only thing I want in a new phone is a bigger screen now. The TB fills every other category on my wish list perfectly.

At this point I'm probably going to wait until I really see something I like come out. The Droid DNA had a lot of potential, but it's major shortfalls (16GB only, no uSD slot, non-removable battery) are hard to ignore. It's tough to justify the GS3 now that it's already 6 months old, so I think I'm going to wait and see what 2013 brings to the table. While I'm fine with the large phone size (although I think phablets like the Note are too large), I do wish one of the big Android manufacturers would put out a top tier phone in a smaller form factor. There's no way my wife could comfortably use the DNA or GS3 (the Tbolt is about her hand's limit), but it seems there's no top tier phone in the low 4" sizes anymore.

I still have unlimited. Next phone? I won't know that for 6 month but it will have 64GB or an SD slot. I have 64 Gig SDXC in my tbolt now.

Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.

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Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.
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I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).

Buy a used phone and keep your unlimited data. eBay, swappa, etc. I've bought my wife and I each a galaxy nexus for around $220 each. You won't regret it.
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Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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Me, too. I just got a Lenovo A1107 for $120 (as a carputer) and have a 10.1" Samsung Tablet for around the house. The Bolt can stay as a telephone and mobile hotspot.
Verizon sucks, though.

nonews said:
I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).
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You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.

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You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.
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Bad assumption, straw man and non sequitur
I had no special knowledge for what computer memory would be used. I only know, looking BACK at computer technology, that EVERY time someone has suggested “No one will ever need more than _____” we blew right past that without a pause. People are pretty clever in using all of a given resource. For myself I am just under 32GB used on my SD right now so 64GB I don’t have to worry about filling given my current usage model. (Which is why I stated that I could live with a 64GB fixed memory phone?) Even so 128GB devices are practically a given and 1TB is not much of a stretch. This trend will probably continue until we can fit no more into 1cm^2. What will use all of this storage? I don’t know. People are very clever in using all of a given resource however.
Does online storage and fast wireless mitigate the need for large local storage? Yes. Does it fully replace the need? No. Are data caps and overage charges making replacing local storage harder? Probably.
As for video I think your assumption of 7” is incorrect. Phones already have outputs (HDMI or the like) to drive large screens. What will those screens be in the future in size and frame rate be? HD, 2K 4K 8K? 24,30,48,60 FPS? I fully expect video files to grow.
Audio – I don’t see it changing much but perhaps bandwidth and storage will favor lossless CODECs.
Your car analogy is weak. Automobiles already operate close to the human ability to perform in many areas, portable devices… not so much. I would like to go 800 miles on a tank of gas.
I really disagree with you regarding designing for bigger vs smaller phones. A larger phone, dominated by say the display should offer more opportunity to fit things in. Of course if the wider and taller phone actually has less volume than previous phones then it would be more challenging and if it has to weigh less even with a larger volume then it may be really tough. Removable storage and batteries ARE harder to design as I said before and I fully understand that the extra cost of design and manufacture of removable storage and batteries favors the design of non-removable storage and batteries. No one mentioned changing SOC or coms or radios but that is another straw man.

Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?

The key word here is "right now."
Right now 64 GB might seem like a top end tier for mobile storage. But the DNA is 1080p resolution with more phones to likely follow suit. The files will be larger, and data consumption will increase.
Carrier networks are no longer in the unlimited era. Caps, throttling, and insanely annoying persistent wifi alerts rule the day. If carriers insist on treating network bandwidth like gold from Ft. Knox, then I'm going to want to carry more, and cloud less.
16 gigs of storage becomes 11 after OS and bloat. 11 gigs is pretty pedestrian on a device that can hold apps, movies, and songs. How long have we had iPods with more than 11 gigs in storage?
SGS 3 had it right. So does the Note 2. If I want locked down drudgery I'd buy an iPhone.
I love HTC, but they need to get somebody else making decisions over there. Carrier exclusive phones? Fail. No SD Card or removable battery? Sigh.
I'm considering a Nexus 4, but that's only because it has budget pricing, and I can use it with pre-paid service. (Read: I'm cheap)
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.

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Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?
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25.6GB of audio
1.1G of nandroids (each about 1Gig)
2G Ti backups, app data, app cache and system stuff
I could live with 32GB if I had to for a while at least.

If you have a few Roms you like and have nandroids of, they're almost a gig a piece.
I hate how new phones are stopping at 16 gigs with no sd slot. It's not enough memory for me, nandroids and app backups are necessary and use a lot of space.

I'm the last person I ever thought would be advocating for less storage space. Believe me I'm with you when it comes to the ignorance of people who always thought ABC/XYZ was enough. I guess a better way to justify the design of something like the Droid DNA is that it at least gets the job done. I watch tons of movies, listen to tons of music, and keep my phone docked in a cradle on my desk to surf at work all day long. I just found alternatives to storage limitation that just so happen to be the direction the industry is trying to push us in. I recognized that I dont need to have 10 movies on my device at any given moment because it's not like I'll ever really be watching them. At least not often enough to justify a need for storage to keep them. I uploaded my entire song library to Google Play which was a huge boon because now I have it with me on any device anywhere I go. I dont keep more than 1 nandroid of my device because my previous build is the only thing worth keeping. When I flash a new rom I simply keep a failsafe, and I only store about 2-3 roms on my device as redundant failsafes for each other in the event things really go sour or I just get really bored.
If this is the tradeoff necessary to have a beautiful 5" display with wireless charging and weighs light as a feather, then I consider this a win. If the alternative is a larger, heavier, more expensive phone to accommodate the best of both worlds (tons of storage and tons of power) then I consider that a loss. I will gladly take form over function since the function can be made up for in other areas that actually add quite a bit of newfound convenience. To me, this whole idea of clinging to old phone standards of sd-cards and removable batteries is just oldschool thinking. It reminds me of the business tycoon still using his monochrome blackberry thinking he's the ****, and that all these kids just dont "get it" with their fancy colors and lack of technical needs. Or the supposedly tech savvy laptop pro who buys the heaviest most impossible to carry device with a 17" screen, optical disc drive, and 10 USB ports for that 1 time he actually needs it. Everything you use your storage for is just for an emergency. 25gb of music, multiple nandroids, etc. They're all just "what if" scenarios that probably see the light of day once every few months. Sacrificing the entire build of a phone for this off-chance scenario is just very backwards thinking imo.

You dont have to believe me but the dna gets excellent battery life for a phone with a 1080p and the lack of an sd card is irrelevant since it is otg capable meaning an external hard drive can be used. The sad part is that a new one x phone is right around the corner.
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I'm the last person I ever thought would be advocating for less storage space. ....
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I glad you found a usage model with which you are happy. I prefer another.

[Completed] Purchasing Advice

As a former BES Admin, I was in no rush to get to the Android side. Eventually, I had to make the switch some years back to an Atrix 4G. Physically the phone felt like the cheaply constructed piece of garbage that it is and I had to replace it at least once along the way via Asurion.
Aside from the advertised FM Radio that the unit didn't actually contain, it was a pleasure to own. I spent time with a dozen different ROMs. There was even an Ubuntu for it!
I replaced that with an LG phone. It was physically sturdy, but much harder to mod and sans the replaceable battery. I don't consider battery replacement a feature, as much as I consider built-in batteries to be a crime against the environment and children. It was recently stolen.
I replaced it with a Samsung Note SGH-i717. It reeks of cheap plastic like Samsung's do. Rooting was easy, and a nice buffet of ROMs to choose from, just like when I rooted my friend's Galaxy... It's my first phone that can accommodate a 64Gb microSD!
With 10Gb free on internal storage and a freshly-formatted 64 Gb microSD I was surprised to see this thing whining and demanding uncompensated attention around an issue of space.
Figuring out how to repartition took forever. Immediately after I did (using sdparted) the phone will not turn on or charge. A brick headed back to where I bought it from.
I was surprised that no matter how awesome the ROM, most of the internal storage was set aside to do nothing. Luckily I snagged a VSA v.45 for $50 along with the new Samsung and microSD. My job mandates I carry a phone, and I don't want to stress. This one actually has an FM radio too!
It is doing the same thing where it seems like someone with a severe disability established the (not-at-all-easy-to-modify) partition scheme. I'm aware of options which generously "allow" me to move app data to the microSD card. But I'm not suffering from a brain injury, and so I don't want any app to ever stop working just because I need to swap in some more removable storage. At least I don't want to think about it until I filled the internal memory legitimately - an impossibility which will likely never occur.
I like to use my microSD for data, and phone space for OS and apps. I could author a book on why, likely I'm preaching to the choir.
As a long-time IT guy and American, I will not carry around a device I cannot root. I wish I could add 3 days to every week so I could donate them to hacking Android's stupidity (not).
Under $400 unlocked, no contract, is there a phone that is not tied to a horrifically unusable partitioning scheme? If it wasn't made out of plastic and falling apart by week 2, that'd be a nice bonus. I realize in asking the the hardware and software both not be trash I'm being "picky."
I love the Cisco 7960 on my home desk. If it wasn't for my being on-call for work, I'd just as soon leave it at that.
I need something modern and peppy as I work in IT.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for this forum and all the hard work you do! I would have never made it this far without you!

StupidPhonesNowMoreDumb said:
As a former BES Admin, I was in no rush to get to the Android side. Eventually, I had to make the switch some years back to an Atrix 4G. Physically the phone felt like the cheaply constructed piece of garbage that it is and I had to replace it at least once along the way via Asurion.
Aside from the advertised FM Radio that the unit didn't actually contain, it was a pleasure to own. I spent time with a dozen different ROMs. There was even an Ubuntu for it!
I replaced that with an LG phone. It was physically sturdy, but much harder to mod and sans the replaceable battery. I don't consider battery replacement a feature, as much as I consider built-in batteries to be a crime against the environment and children. It was recently stolen.
I replaced it with a Samsung Note SGH-i717. It reeks of cheap plastic like Samsung's do. Rooting was easy, and a nice buffet of ROMs to choose from, just like when I rooted my friend's Galaxy... It's my first phone that can accommodate a 64Gb microSD!
With 10Gb free on internal storage and a freshly-formatted 64 Gb microSD I was surprised to see this thing whining and demanding uncompensated attention around an issue of space.
Figuring out how to repartition took forever. Immediately after I did (using sdparted) the phone will not turn on or charge. A brick headed back to where I bought it from.
I was surprised that no matter how awesome the ROM, most of the internal storage was set aside to do nothing. Luckily I snagged a VSA v.45 for $50 along with the new Samsung and microSD. My job mandates I carry a phone, and I don't want to stress. This one actually has an FM radio too!
It is doing the same thing where it seems like someone with a severe disability established the (not-at-all-easy-to-modify) partition scheme. I'm aware of options which generously "allow" me to move app data to the microSD card. But I'm not suffering from a brain injury, and so I don't want any app to ever stop working just because I need to swap in some more removable storage. At least I don't want to think about it until I filled the internal memory legitimately - an impossibility which will likely never occur.
I like to use my microSD for data, and phone space for OS and apps. I could author a book on why, likely I'm preaching to the choir.
As a long-time IT guy and American, I will not carry around a device I cannot root. I wish I could add 3 days to every week so I could donate them to hacking Android's stupidity (not).
Under $400 unlocked, no contract, is there a phone that is not tied to a horrifically unusable partitioning scheme? If it wasn't made out of plastic and falling apart by week 2, that'd be a nice bonus. I realize in asking the the hardware and software both not be trash I'm being "picky."
I love the Cisco 7960 on my home desk. If it wasn't for my being on-call for work, I'd just as soon leave it at that.
I need something modern and peppy as I work in IT.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for this forum and all the hard work you do! I would have never made it this far without you!
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Does anyone know yet if the SD slot on this will have UHS 2 or 3 speeds?

Hopefully they have a much faster sd slot on this one than the s7
Does anyone know yet if the SD slot on this will have UHS 2 or 3 speeds (confirmed the required pins, or seen a speed test off a demo phone with a fast card)?

I am also trying to find this out

Is it having a hybrid Sim slot???

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I am also trying to find this out
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The small storage + slow sd really hobbled the s7 for me. I can't wait to be rid of it at this point.
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The small storage + slow sd really hobbled the s7 for me. I can't wait to be rid of it at this point.
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I'm curious. I did a lot with my Note 3-4, V10, and V20. I never noticed any lag in anything running from SD card. I had a 200Gig card in the V10 and V20 and am not sure what was the issue with the SD cards. If anyone can explain what the issue was, I'd be really grateful.

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I'm curious. I did a lot with my Note 3-4, V10, and V20. I never noticed any lag in anything running from SD card. I had a 200Gig card in the V10 and V20 and am not sure what was the issue with the SD cards. If anyone can explain what the issue was, I'd be really grateful.
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The 32GB is just barely enough for my storage needs for things that can't be moved to the SD card. It was totally unusable for VR since that can't be put on the SD card. Giving out free Gear VR's with a 32GB phone was pretty silly actually. Luckily we still had an s6 with 128 to use the Gear with.
When any storage medium gets more than haf full you start to notice slow downs. It's MORE obvious on mechanical hard drives but it's still noticeable on ssd's an other solid state storage. It's definitely noticeable on the s7. I've done tests where I reset it instal just a few apps and it's BLAZING FAST, then I install my apps, email, texts, etc, fill it up, and bam it's a slug.
I spent 6 months COSTANTLY screwing around with moving things from the storage to the sd card. It's a tedious and annoying thing to have to do. Having come from the s6 with 128 and never needing to even thing about storage it really pissed me off to have to go backwards on my next gen phone.
So then I finally caved in and did adoptable storage. Well the thing is the internal storage is FAST until you fill it - it's still fast, but you do notice a lot of lagging just going from screen to screen. It clocks in the mid 200MBs. But the SD card is slow. I bought a UHS 3 card hoping it would match the internal ram. The card clocks at 280MBs in a uhs 3 usb 3 reader. It clocks in the 80's in the phone when it's empty. More like the 40's when it's filled with photos and music.
So doing adoptable storage means mixing a single volume with 280MBs and 80MBs storage. Which makes the phone EVEN Slower, but at least I don't have to screw around with moving stuff constantly anymore.
The thing is that people clamored for sd storage. I have no idea WHY they clamored for it. It's beyond inconvenient. It's not like you can pull it in and out since it's on the sim tray. And Samsung decided that in order to include it they had to stop making larger storage versions.
I think what we have is a case of be careful what you wish for.
It's far better to have larger FAST internal storage and a FAST usb connection than it is to have the stupid sd card.
That's my rant on this, but here's the bottom line summary:
1. The 32GB is incredibly inconvenient if you are heavy user like me with lots of stuff. Micromanaging the storage makes the phone a chore to use, and the full card slows the phone down a little bit.
2. Using adoptable storage is more convenient, but the slow SD slot makes the phone really really laggy - at least for a heavy user like me.
I've put my s6 128 next to my s7 edge with adoptable storage, and the s6 is way more responsive. I just can't go back to that small screen!! LOL

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The 32GB is just barely enough for my storage needs for things that can't be moved to the SD card. It was totally unusable for VR since that can't be put on the SD card. Giving out free Gear VR's with a 32GB phone was pretty silly actually. Luckily we still had an s6 with 128 to use the Gear with.
When any storage medium gets more than haf full you start to notice slow downs. It's MORE obvious on mechanical hard drives but it's still noticeable on ssd's an other solid state storage. It's definitely noticeable on the s7. I've done tests where I reset it instal just a few apps and it's BLAZING FAST, then I install my apps, email, texts, etc, fill it up, and bam it's a slug.
I spent 6 months COSTANTLY screwing around with moving things from the storage to the sd card. It's a tedious and annoying thing to have to do. Having come from the s6 with 128 and never needing to even thing about storage it really pissed me off to have to go backwards on my next gen phone.
So then I finally caved in and did adoptable storage. Well the thing is the internal storage is FAST until you fill it - it's still fast, but you do notice a lot of lagging just going from screen to screen. It clocks in the mid 200MBs. But the SD card is slow. I bought a UHS 3 card hoping it would match the internal ram. The card clocks at 280MBs in a uhs 3 usb 3 reader. It clocks in the 80's in the phone when it's empty. More like the 40's when it's filled with photos and music.
So doing adoptable storage means mixing a single volume with 280MBs and 80MBs storage. Which makes the phone EVEN Slower, but at least I don't have to screw around with moving stuff constantly anymore.
The thing is that people clamored for sd storage. I have no idea WHY they clamored for it. It's beyond inconvenient. It's not like you can pull it in and out since it's on the sim tray. And Samsung decided that in order to include it they had to stop making larger storage versions.
I think what we have is a case of be careful what you wish for.
It's far better to have larger FAST internal storage and a FAST usb connection than it is to have the stupid sd card.
That's my rant on this, but here's the bottom line summary:
1. The 32GB is incredibly inconvenient if you are heavy user like me with lots of stuff. Micromanaging the storage makes the phone a chore to use, and the full card slows the phone down a little bit.
2. Using adoptable storage is more convenient, but the slow SD slot makes the phone really really laggy - at least for a heavy user like me.
I've put my s6 128 next to my s7 edge with adoptable storage, and the s6 is way more responsive. I just can't go back to that small screen!! LOL
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oooohhhh, now it all makes sense. Thanks. I always used the 200Gig card so I never ran out of space. Then again, never used VR. I will now I guess with the new stuff from Samsung.

sanjsrik said:
oooohhhh, now it all makes sense. Thanks. I always used the 200Gig card so I never ran out of space. Then again, never used VR. I will now I guess with the new stuff from Samsung.
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I've never run out of space on the sd, but there's only certain things that can be put there, so it was always half empty with like 29-31 GB of stuff clogging up the internal storage.
The s7, for people like me, made you choose between convenience and speed. That's frustrating for a phone that came out in 2016. Especially when the 64 or 128 s6 gave you the best of both worlds.
I feel like the 64 in the s8 will be enough that if I fill it it will only be every few months so less maintenance. If it has a uhs 3 reader and does adoptable storage then it's the best of every possible world. Maximum options for the maximum number of use cases.
I saw a Tested.com podcast once where they brilliantly slammed the s7 and the iphone at 32GB. They pointed out that these are the two specific phones where the least technical people are going to buy, and in the end, they are the two phones that will need you to mess with them if you take a lot of pics or download a lot of music. Meaning that for a less technical person, it's better to have the larger storage and that Apple and Samsung needed to raise their bottom number in order to not cause grief for their most common customer: the less technical user who buys the lowest price one because they don't know any better.
I get a LOT of calls from IT customers asking me to help them figure out how to get stuff off their 32 GB iphone or Galaxy because it's full. I hate that call. I didn't get into IT to babysit customer's personal music collection.

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I've never run out of space on the sd, but there's only certain things that can be put there, so it was always half empty with like 29-31 GB of stuff clogging up the internal storage.
The s7, for people like me, made you choose between convenience and speed. That's frustrating for a phone that came out in 2016. Especially when the 64 or 128 s6 gave you the best of both worlds.
I feel like the 64 in the s8 will be enough that if I fill it it will only be every few months so less maintenance. If it has a uhs 3 reader and does adoptable storage then it's the best of every possible world. Maximum options for the maximum number of use cases.
I saw a Tested.com podcast once where they brilliantly slammed the s7 and the iphone at 32GB. They pointed out that these are the two specific phones where the least technical people are going to buy, and in the end, they are the two phones that will need you to mess with them if you take a lot of pics or download a lot of music. Meaning that for a less technical person, it's better to have the larger storage and that Apple and Samsung needed to raise their bottom number in order to not cause grief for their most common customer: the less technical user who buys the lowest price one because they don't know any better.
I get a LOT of calls from IT customers asking me to help them figure out how to get stuff off their 32 GB iphone or Galaxy because it's full. I hate that call. I didn't get into IT to babysit customer's personal music collection.
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I think I just lucked out that both the V10 and V20 both had 64G of memory.

Maybe UFS support
Hi Y'all.
If this holds water:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8_s8plus_hands_on-review-1595.php
The card bay should be UFS supported like this:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3092436/storage/samsungs-blazing-fast-ufs-storage-cards-could-replace-micro-sd-media.html
But i haven't found confirmation anywhere else.
Regards
Elo

I have a 128gb sandisk extreme u3 in mine and it is working fine. Early adopter so i've had it since monday.
if anyone has any questions
http://imgur.com/a/PGnyL

zoramac said:
I have a 128gb sandisk extreme u3 in mine and it is working fine. Early adopter so i've had it since monday.
if anyone has any questions
http://imgur.com/a/PGnyL
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Looks liek passmark has a disk benchmark http://www.passmark.com/products/pt_mobile.htm. Whats the speed on that external SD card?

YellowGTO said:
Looks liek passmark has a disk benchmark http://www.passmark.com/products/pt_mobile.htm. Whats the speed on that external SD card?
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this is whats on Sandisk's website
Read Speed: up to 90MB/s5
Write Speed: up to 60MB/s5
Video Speed: C10, U3, V304
Form Factor: microSDXC

zoramac said:
I have a 128gb sandisk extreme u3 in mine and it is working fine. Early adopter so i've had it since monday.
if anyone has any questions
http://imgur.com/a/PGnyL
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zoramac said:
this is whats on Sandisk's website
Read Speed: up to 90MB/s5
Write Speed: up to 60MB/s5
Video Speed: C10, U3, V304
Form Factor: microSDXC
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This thread is about the speed of the SD Card port, not the SD card itself.

Sorry, misunderstood. tried 3 different sd cards and they all fail in the passmark bench marking- unable to write..
fwiw a1 sd bench gives
73.9 read 51.1 write with the u3 card

zoramac said:
Sorry, misunderstood. tried 3 different sd cards and they all fail in the passmark bench marking- unable to write..
fwiw a1 sd bench gives
73.9 read 51.1 write with the u3 card
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Well that seems to be in line the U3 V30
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Well that seems to be in line the U3 V30
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As usual they don't seem to be able to clearly mark the speed of anything. I have a Sandisk Extreme Plus, rated at 95mb read, 90mb write. But it says U3 and V30 on it. Which according to that table can only do 30mb (except it DOES do 95/90), this is due to the quoted speeds for V30 etc being minimum speeds and not set speeds.
Most people also get confused over U3 speeds and UHS III bus type (which has a second row of pins to enable faster speeds but most devices do not support), the UHS III bus has only recently been agreed apparently (https://petapixel.com/2017/02/25/uhs-iii-sd-card-standard-announced-maxes-insane-624mbs/) and there are no cards out yet for it, so youll only get UHS II at best on the S8 and theres no way the S8 will support UHS III. Whether it even supports UHS II, I don't know, it really shouldn't be that hard to tell since it requires a whole extra row of pins but I have seen a dozen threads in forums asking the same question and not a single answer so far, someone even asked Samsung support and as expected, they were useless.
It's like the USB-C/USB3.0/USB3.1 all over again where you need to be a detective to work out whether you get usb 3.0 speeds, 3.1 gen1 speeds (5gbps) (which are often also referred to as 3.0) or 3.1 gen2 speeds (10gbps) (which are often referred to as just 3.1) from a particular cable or device. When these geniuses setting these standards are incapable of even getting the NAMING of these things right, you know we are in trouble!

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When these geniuses setting these standards are incapable of even getting the NAMING of these things right, you know we are in trouble!
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That's because the naming is done by marketing committee. More concerned with fancy pointless marketing names than really conveying what the technology is capable of. The 'name by committee' factor is in full effect too.

Averix said:
That's because the naming is done by marketing committee. More concerned with fancy pointless marketing names than really conveying what the technology is capable of. The 'name by committee' factor is in full effect too.
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Then they should all be sacked for being useless at their jobs. Marketing is pointless if you create endless confusion for consumers (not to mention the opportunity for scam sub standard products taking advantage of the stupid ambiguous naming). Rule number 1 should be crystal clarity on 'spec x = speed y' with no possible confusion between spec x y or z!

ewokuk said:
As usual they don't seem to be able to clearly mark the speed of anything. I have a Sandisk Extreme Plus, rated at 95mb read, 90mb write. But it says U3 and V30 on it. Which according to that table can only do 30mb (except it DOES do 95/90), this is due to the quoted speeds for V30 etc being minimum speeds and not set speeds.
Most people also get confused over U3 speeds and UHS III bus type (which has a second row of pins to enable faster speeds but most devices do not support), the UHS III bus has only recently been agreed apparently (https://petapixel.com/2017/02/25/uhs-iii-sd-card-standard-announced-maxes-insane-624mbs/) and there are no cards out yet for it, so youll only get UHS II at best on the S8 and theres no way the S8 will support UHS III. Whether it even supports UHS II, I don't know, it really shouldn't be that hard to tell since it requires a whole extra row of pins but I have seen a dozen threads in forums asking the same question and not a single answer so far, someone even asked Samsung support and as expected, they were useless.
It's like the USB-C/USB3.0/USB3.1 all over again where you need to be a detective to work out whether you get usb 3.0 speeds, 3.1 gen1 speeds (5gbps) (which are often also referred to as 3.0) or 3.1 gen2 speeds (10gbps) (which are often referred to as just 3.1) from a particular cable or device. When these geniuses setting these standards are incapable of even getting the NAMING of these things right, you know we are in trouble!
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It's a minimum of 30MBps. you can probably hit 90MBps if you transferred 1 file that's over 90MB. It would be considerably slower if you transfered 90000 1kb files. Same with all storage mediums.

Most discreet storage accessory?

As you know, the Google Pixel 3a does not have a microUSB slot, or any other on-board way to upgrade storage. I didn't realize this before I bought the phone, and I definitely need more storage than my phone offers.
I'm thinking about getting one of these tiny USB flash drives, along with one of these tiny USB-C adapters that slide into the larger USB jack. This would give my phone an attachment about the side of a dime.
I have not seen any low-profile flash drives like this that are designed to work with USB-C, but maybe they exist and I just haven't found them yet. Or, maybe there's a way to put some kind of low-profile card reader behind your phone case and feed a cable into the USB-C port. I'm not sure, but I'm sure some of you have at least pondered this, so I thought I'd get your ideas. Thanks.

Doesn't give the speed rating, it's a ringer... don't fall for it! Google's greedy MS like force the user to rely on cloud storage sucks. It degrades the usefulness and redundancy of their phones severely.
I use Samsung N10+'s as dual drive devices; all critical data goes on the 1tb SD card, only apps, the download and dcim folders are on the internal memory. The Samsung Extreme card is V30 rated, fast enough the record or stream HD movies. That's the way you do it.
Your only alternative is to use OTG flashsticks but bandwidth will be an issue especially the cheap ones. On a fast one you'll get 2gb/min maybe better or worse. On the Sandisk Extreme SD card I get over 4gb/min. The big Google lie about SD cards being irrelevant does the consumer a huge disservice. I can do a full reload and restore from my SD card, nothing else needed even store installable copies of all my apps there.
I use these OTG flashsticks for "dirty" backups on my N10+'s https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1658082-REG/sandisk_sdddc3_512g_a46_512gb_usb_c_a_plastic.html/?ap=y&lsft=BI:514&smp=y
Quality could be better but many of the others are trash in comparison to these. Get a .5tb one.
Lol, my data drive size is now 1tb so I use 2 .5tb flashsticks.
If the flashstick's price seems too good to be true that's because it is. Use large name brand flash memory only bought through reputable venders only. It will save you time, trouble and data loss...