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is it that hard to give us a stable OS? a fast cpu and ram and more ram? good touch screen (i like the way the iphone screen worked). an accelerometer w/ g-sensor (that is unlocked to apps (again iphone got this right, whats wrong lg?? come on!!) wifi, gps, a normal usb (mini or micro), & at least 1gig internal mem and a micro st slot, and let me multitask all of my apps at the same time, i dont want to quit a game so i can look up something on the internet or take a call, that why we have task managers, to manage tasks.
and make it affordable!!
and don't limit the apps like apple (thank god for cydia)
and come on at&t quit filling up the memory with things i will never use, let me do that.
oh yeah, and dont forget to allow me to view flash web pages, and not just youtube. i use wixi.com, but the mobile version sucks. and Orb Live. i want to access all of my media form home for free (w/data plan)
sorry about the rant, but maybe with a lot of luck someone with some pull will stumble across this and will create a great phone.
by the way windows sucks, sorry to say it but anyone who expected windows to make a good mobile OS must have been high, when is the last time windows got it right?? never they have been playing catch up to apple forever. They should call there next os "Windows Crash" and "WMCrash" because thats all my computer and phone do is "crash"
would it be against copyright laws to take an iphone 3gs setup, add a full QWERTY keyboard (slide out or flip) change the OS to Android, slightly change the look and button layout and market it as a new phone?
Make us a great phone and put it on At&t!!
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is it that hard to give us a stable OS? a fast cpu and ram and more ram? good touch screen (i like the way the iphone screen worked). an accelerometer w/ g-sensor (that is unlocked to apps (again iphone got this right, whats wrong lg?? come on!!) wifi, gps, a normal usb (mini or micro), & at least 1gig internal mem and a micro st slot, and let me multitask all of my apps at the same time, i dont want to quit a game so i can look up something on the internet or take a call, that why we have task managers, to manage tasks.
and make it affordable!!
and don't limit the apps like apple (thank god for cydia)
and come on at&t quit filling up the memory with things i will never use, let me do that.
oh yeah, and dont forget to allow me to view flash web pages, and not just youtube. i use wixi.com, but the mobile version sucks. and Orb Live. i want to access all of my media form home for free (w/data plan)
sorry about the rant, but maybe with a lot of luck someone with some pull will stumble across this and will create a great phone.
by the way windows sucks, sorry to say it but anyone who expected windows to make a good mobile OS must have been high, when is the last time windows got it right?? never they have been playing catch up to apple forever. They should call there next os "Windows Crash" and "WMCrash" because thats all my computer and phone do is "crash"
would it be against copyright laws to take an iphone 3gs setup, add a full QWERTY keyboard (slide out or flip) change the OS to Android, slightly change the look and button layout and market it as a new phone?
Make us a great phone and put it on At&t!!
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Why not put your questions to htc direct?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=683957
Who is we ? " We " all need different things from our phone. And " we " all don't want to pay $1000 for a phone with super everything.
" ...and make it affordable ?......" That is like saying ..." hey car companies, why can't you make a car that goes 200 mph, runs on electricity, gets a thousand hours per charge, made from all titanium , works totally on voice commands , oh yeah and it has to be affordable, about 15K. "
Why doesn't HTC make a phone like that ? It would be obnoxiously expensive to put all that technology into one phone, unless they put a super new battery in it, the current batteries will never run all those features. And no one wants to pay for what it would cost to sell a phone like that.
Like cars, you pick out the features you want, find a phone that has most of those features at a price you can afford, and then spend the next year whining about all the things your phone can't do.
ATT will never get anything good in fear it would compete with the iPhone. To make a phone with all those features, would cost a fortune and some stuff isn't for everyone. That's why we have "affordable" smartphones like the Smart, Wildfire, Tattoo, etc and more extravagant phones like the HD2, Nexus, Desire, etc.
because if this does happen, companies can't make more cell phones sell because the one cellphone has everything YOU need.... and everyone's needs are different, like how I don't like the HTC HD2's large screen...
denco7: I would never pay $1000 for a phone. I wont even pay $150 for a phone with a 2 year contract. even if it had every thing. yes i understand that a lot of work goes in to making these phone but its not like the people making the phone get the big bucks. they get there regular pay check. and with technology today parts are cheap. like to replace the screen on my old iphone it cost me $20 on ebay, so that means it probable cost less than $5 to make if not less. it probable cost less than $25 in parts to make an iphone, plus the $8 per hour it cost to employ someone to watch the computer do all of the work.
and i expect a smart phone to do everything i want it to do hardware wise, now i understand that i might have to buy apps to use all the fetchers, but i dont want to be limited especially if the phone has the hardware but its locked so that you cant use it for other functions. like the lg expo. why put a g-sensor in a phone and not allow it to be used to the fullest extent? all its good for is rotating the screen, now thats dumb.
why should i have to pick a lesser phone and choose what options are more impotent than others when picking a phone?? just give them all to me and if i dont want to use them then i dont use them.
I used every feather on my iphone 3g. I use the sh!t out of my phones, and i expect them to run fast. the biggest thing i didnt like about the stock os on the iphone was it didnt multi-task but i found a fix to that (backgrounder & multifl0w)
most of the problems with phones is that they limit the hardware with the OS. and thats just dumb.
I find it funny how everyone says this would be too "expensive." Everything OP named is what "smartphones" SHOULD be at right now.
1gb ram is MAYBE 20 dollars... for buyers! (I agree, cell phone RAM would probably be more expensive.)
1gb internal storage? Again, they have cheap mp3 players the size of a nickel with this for 5 dollars. That would be NOTHING.
iPhone (well, i use iPod touch) does have an actually nice touchscreen - again which is actually already on the market. However, I'll limit Apple to my iPod touch. iPhone isn't touching ANY Android phone. =]
A hardware keyboard should be a "duh." I have a myTouch, and love it. However, I feel buyers remorse often because I just didn't get a keyboard. However, it doesn't add 400 dollars just for a hard keyboard.
Flash is on its way - which has nothing to do with the hardware.
I have to say, OP is right. Smartphones are really lacking what they're actually capable of. And, with a service plan, price might be like 300 dollars (if the manufacturer wasn't money hungry). I'd pay 300 dollars for a phone like that with a service plan. I'd pay 800 to a grand for one with no service plan. Why? Have any of you looked at the price of that p.o.s. iPad? I could go buy a laptop 2x better than the iPad WITH TOUCHSCREEN for the amount of a 64 gb (which is NOTHING) iPad. Probably 5 times better for one without touchscreen.
Of course, this is just my opinion. Also, I have to admit, they are advancing faster and faster. Even with the possibility that they could exist now... I see them actually existing VERY soon.
Edit: As PurpleLlamaLover said, though, I dount AT&T will ever get a phone better than the iPhone because A. It's not like it would even be noticed and B. What he said, they don't want to compete with it. Especially if its cheaper. Which it probably would be.
Actual cost of an iPhone
http://www.isuppli.com/News/Pages/i...ufacturing-Cost-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx
Actual cost of Steve Jobs' G5........$45 to $70 million
http://www.gulfstream.com/products/g550/
while there is room for growth on the smartphones, there are great things to be said about alot of the same phones. every user has different needs and wants and i would find it difficult to try and predict what would satisfy every consumer. the list of desirables outlined by jw_mahoney81 pretty much describe my tp2 and hd2. i still dont understand why windows devices crash. i have however heard that technology is only as good as the user.
LOL you did not just spell features like teachers with an f!
Anyway, implausible.
I wanted to break this off since the other topic was looking to be mostly about the LCD's
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I wanted to see if the blank sockets on the system board were active. So I grabbed my multimeter and tested each pin to see if any delivered power. I don't know if these sockets are controlled by software, but it looks like these sockets are inactive.
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I'm an electronics tech (avionics really) just so you know my background, and I am by no way a programmer i just hack my way throught when i need... poorly at that. I'm a long time reader but don't post much.
I havent taken mine apart yet, I bought it for the wife to use as an ereader she was using her evo before and already has bad eyesight I just dont think reading on that small screen is good for her. However we planned on returning it today because she couldn't get anything to work... But i loaded VAGAn-Tab rom on it and she likes it ALOT more now, but we still might be returning it (she thinks it to big and heavy to hold). So all I have to work with is the internal pics posted by other members and I thank you for them!
I was thinking about using a mini pci card with 3g/4g and GPS to solve my problem like this one for Sprint Customers looks very nice and they claim android support. Could someone please verify the length available for the card from the socket to the mounting holes? It should be around 50mm but i cant tell from the pic.
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Then after more research I figured out that think I can get the GPS to work on the board. I found that the RXM-GPS-SG-T looks to be the exact chip they are using, the pin look to match exactly VCC, GND, RX, TX, RF, VOUT. So they are using an active GPS antenna (but could be modded for passive). They use NMEA-0183 or SiRF Binary output selected by a serial command. So we need to figure out if the TX is going to U39 making U39 the interface to the unit, or directly to somewhere else (idk need to see board) I hope i can attach my pic i made or maybe an admin can post it for me.
However the PCI slot might be just as hard to use, the pin 20 that has 3.3v isnt what we want, but it could be a software control to disable/enable the card. However we still need A+ on pins 2,52 (3.3V), 6,28,48(1.5V) and maybe 24(3.3V Aux) dependeding on the card. We could be dealing with a "Non Standard" connector, they are out there but most OEM's dont bother with them. More likely to find them on a Asus product ect. It's common for the SIM card to be powered by the PCI card itself and the board looks wired that way. I have 2 Digi International Mini PCI express Wifi/Cell Development boards and thats how they both power the SIM card. Pin 16 should goto Pin 1 on the sim card, 14->2, 12->3, 10->6 but maybe 7 or 8.
Getting the Power to it could be software or hardware. Looks like around U8 on the frontside could a Vreg setup, Or it could be as simple as putting in some 0 ohm resistors around R15 and R14. We also see that U7 is unpopulated on backside. So that leave us with U7,U8, R15, and R16 which could mean they are all part of the same circuit if they laid it out with any logic. TP1,2,and 3 also make me believe this is true, however they match up to LED_WPAN#, LED, WLAN#,and LED_WWAN#. I sure wish they match the power input pins, but that means all those missing resistors could just be for unpopulated status LED's. Like I've said over and over i cant tell ya unless i can probe around the board.
As far as the memory, yes its possible, I do BGA replacement at work. What I am afraid of is that the other memory chips look to be exactly on the other side and I'd be afraid of messing them up. I'd have to look at my jig at work and see if I could set it up without any problems.
I'm no electronics expert but I dabble. I'd be interested in internal GPS and a memory boost. I'm pretty confident in my soldering skills and would try something if directed by someone smarter than me.
This is something I am very interested in. Any new info on this?
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This is something I am very interested in. Any new info on this?
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I sadly no longer own a G tablet, wife thought it was to heavy to read books, and hated the screen. I cant argue with her on either of those points, so we returned it. However I got the ok to buy a referb on if i can find one, but when I did at my local store i showed them the paper and they told me they dont sell that stuff there and send me away. I talked to 3 different people too basically all told me to go f off. I even tried another time with the 7" they sell same results. I dont know why it gets listed on the website if they wont sell it.
Not to get sidetracked, but i even did by the proper bga fittings to solder the ram chips too lol..
So no its probably not going to go any farther from my stand point, if anyone wants my help I still read the forums everyday.
I'm just gonna wait and see what comes out in the future that XDA gets behind, because I'de never buy anything that didnt have an active community here.
IF you were looking for a reader fo rher mainly, you should've really gone with the Nook Color... eInk devices are good too IF you don't really need good PDF support and/or need it to read more complexly formatted documents, e.g. technical manual, mathematics texts, etc. i.e. eInk is best suited for ficiton and other simply formatted documents, but it VERY readable except in poorly lit conditions where you'd need external lighting of some sort.
Very true I should have bought her a nook, but now she doesnt want it because its not powerful enough for her needs imo. She also wants to login to her school (blackboard) and be able to use overdrive. Plus she likes dungeon defenders and I dont think that can handle it. We are just gonna wait it out and see what comes along, mostly cause we have our first due next month, so trying to be frugal.
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Very true I should have bought her a nook, but now she doesnt want it because its not powerful enough for her needs imo. She also wants to login to her school (blackboard) and be able to use overdrive. Plus she likes dungeon defenders and I dont think that can handle it. We are just gonna wait it out and see what comes along, mostly cause we have our first due next month, so trying to be frugal.
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Yep, you'll want a full blown tablet then and I suspect that the NC would be too much of a bother to get setup for her for what she wants it for...
All the 10" tablets are fairly heavy too, so you'll probably have to stick to looking for 7/8" tablets and I suspect Tegra 2 or multi-core cortex-a9 SoCs from other mfgs... not much in the way of 7" ATM other than the elocity a7 (was c. $300 around xmas), but it's not very hacker friendly and I don't know if they ever got the USB port to run in non-host mode... probably best to not even look at it...
The g Tablet would, as many have already said, be a great tablet if it had gps mainly and increased memory. Adding pci-e would be even better. I would be extremely happy with the addition of gps. I would be very tempted to allow somebody with expertise and high level of confidence of success to experiment on my tablet.
GPS+
Just bought my Gtab yesterday. As you know the stock Roman/UI sucks big time. I installed Clockwork followed by CyanogenMod 7 and what a difference. Anyway I looked on the web for a dock and it seems there is a Chinese version of the Gtab that has higher spec's including GPS. It would seem logical to assume the U.S. motherboard has the same circuits built in. Who knows what's possible....
It's too bad that more people don't feel like tearing up their electronics to start soldering things to them.
Im curious. Do you still have unlimited data? What are your plans about keeping it? Whats your next phone?
I switched to the 6GB share plan, and I'm either getting an iPhone 5, or a Droid DNA.
Seriously?..... I guess we should each have our own thread when we decide to get a new phone.
Each day that passes, I look more and more forward to getting away from the redundancy and boringness of these Tbolt forums.
Well I'm loving my TB its on liquid ics 3.2 I think over fast and the next fone should be the Droid DNA or Samsung note 3
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Why in the hell would you switch from unlimited to 6GB? You do realize that higher phones will pull more data, higher quality video streams, and so on right? What used to be 4GB on the TB will turn into 8GB on the DNA or other similar phones.
Anyway I bought the DNA and gave it a trial run, found out it really wasnt for me and didnt suit my needs so I'm back on the TB. The only thing I want in a new phone is a bigger screen now. The TB fills every other category on my wish list perfectly.
At this point I'm probably going to wait until I really see something I like come out. The Droid DNA had a lot of potential, but it's major shortfalls (16GB only, no uSD slot, non-removable battery) are hard to ignore. It's tough to justify the GS3 now that it's already 6 months old, so I think I'm going to wait and see what 2013 brings to the table. While I'm fine with the large phone size (although I think phablets like the Note are too large), I do wish one of the big Android manufacturers would put out a top tier phone in a smaller form factor. There's no way my wife could comfortably use the DNA or GS3 (the Tbolt is about her hand's limit), but it seems there's no top tier phone in the low 4" sizes anymore.
I still have unlimited. Next phone? I won't know that for 6 month but it will have 64GB or an SD slot. I have 64 Gig SDXC in my tbolt now.
Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.
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Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.
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I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).
Buy a used phone and keep your unlimited data. eBay, swappa, etc. I've bought my wife and I each a galaxy nexus for around $220 each. You won't regret it.
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Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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Me, too. I just got a Lenovo A1107 for $120 (as a carputer) and have a 10.1" Samsung Tablet for around the house. The Bolt can stay as a telephone and mobile hotspot.
Verizon sucks, though.
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I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).
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You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.
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You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.
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Bad assumption, straw man and non sequitur
I had no special knowledge for what computer memory would be used. I only know, looking BACK at computer technology, that EVERY time someone has suggested “No one will ever need more than _____” we blew right past that without a pause. People are pretty clever in using all of a given resource. For myself I am just under 32GB used on my SD right now so 64GB I don’t have to worry about filling given my current usage model. (Which is why I stated that I could live with a 64GB fixed memory phone?) Even so 128GB devices are practically a given and 1TB is not much of a stretch. This trend will probably continue until we can fit no more into 1cm^2. What will use all of this storage? I don’t know. People are very clever in using all of a given resource however.
Does online storage and fast wireless mitigate the need for large local storage? Yes. Does it fully replace the need? No. Are data caps and overage charges making replacing local storage harder? Probably.
As for video I think your assumption of 7” is incorrect. Phones already have outputs (HDMI or the like) to drive large screens. What will those screens be in the future in size and frame rate be? HD, 2K 4K 8K? 24,30,48,60 FPS? I fully expect video files to grow.
Audio – I don’t see it changing much but perhaps bandwidth and storage will favor lossless CODECs.
Your car analogy is weak. Automobiles already operate close to the human ability to perform in many areas, portable devices… not so much. I would like to go 800 miles on a tank of gas.
I really disagree with you regarding designing for bigger vs smaller phones. A larger phone, dominated by say the display should offer more opportunity to fit things in. Of course if the wider and taller phone actually has less volume than previous phones then it would be more challenging and if it has to weigh less even with a larger volume then it may be really tough. Removable storage and batteries ARE harder to design as I said before and I fully understand that the extra cost of design and manufacture of removable storage and batteries favors the design of non-removable storage and batteries. No one mentioned changing SOC or coms or radios but that is another straw man.
Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?
The key word here is "right now."
Right now 64 GB might seem like a top end tier for mobile storage. But the DNA is 1080p resolution with more phones to likely follow suit. The files will be larger, and data consumption will increase.
Carrier networks are no longer in the unlimited era. Caps, throttling, and insanely annoying persistent wifi alerts rule the day. If carriers insist on treating network bandwidth like gold from Ft. Knox, then I'm going to want to carry more, and cloud less.
16 gigs of storage becomes 11 after OS and bloat. 11 gigs is pretty pedestrian on a device that can hold apps, movies, and songs. How long have we had iPods with more than 11 gigs in storage?
SGS 3 had it right. So does the Note 2. If I want locked down drudgery I'd buy an iPhone.
I love HTC, but they need to get somebody else making decisions over there. Carrier exclusive phones? Fail. No SD Card or removable battery? Sigh.
I'm considering a Nexus 4, but that's only because it has budget pricing, and I can use it with pre-paid service. (Read: I'm cheap)
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?
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25.6GB of audio
1.1G of nandroids (each about 1Gig)
2G Ti backups, app data, app cache and system stuff
I could live with 32GB if I had to for a while at least.
If you have a few Roms you like and have nandroids of, they're almost a gig a piece.
I hate how new phones are stopping at 16 gigs with no sd slot. It's not enough memory for me, nandroids and app backups are necessary and use a lot of space.
I'm the last person I ever thought would be advocating for less storage space. Believe me I'm with you when it comes to the ignorance of people who always thought ABC/XYZ was enough. I guess a better way to justify the design of something like the Droid DNA is that it at least gets the job done. I watch tons of movies, listen to tons of music, and keep my phone docked in a cradle on my desk to surf at work all day long. I just found alternatives to storage limitation that just so happen to be the direction the industry is trying to push us in. I recognized that I dont need to have 10 movies on my device at any given moment because it's not like I'll ever really be watching them. At least not often enough to justify a need for storage to keep them. I uploaded my entire song library to Google Play which was a huge boon because now I have it with me on any device anywhere I go. I dont keep more than 1 nandroid of my device because my previous build is the only thing worth keeping. When I flash a new rom I simply keep a failsafe, and I only store about 2-3 roms on my device as redundant failsafes for each other in the event things really go sour or I just get really bored.
If this is the tradeoff necessary to have a beautiful 5" display with wireless charging and weighs light as a feather, then I consider this a win. If the alternative is a larger, heavier, more expensive phone to accommodate the best of both worlds (tons of storage and tons of power) then I consider that a loss. I will gladly take form over function since the function can be made up for in other areas that actually add quite a bit of newfound convenience. To me, this whole idea of clinging to old phone standards of sd-cards and removable batteries is just oldschool thinking. It reminds me of the business tycoon still using his monochrome blackberry thinking he's the ****, and that all these kids just dont "get it" with their fancy colors and lack of technical needs. Or the supposedly tech savvy laptop pro who buys the heaviest most impossible to carry device with a 17" screen, optical disc drive, and 10 USB ports for that 1 time he actually needs it. Everything you use your storage for is just for an emergency. 25gb of music, multiple nandroids, etc. They're all just "what if" scenarios that probably see the light of day once every few months. Sacrificing the entire build of a phone for this off-chance scenario is just very backwards thinking imo.
You dont have to believe me but the dna gets excellent battery life for a phone with a 1080p and the lack of an sd card is irrelevant since it is otg capable meaning an external hard drive can be used. The sad part is that a new one x phone is right around the corner.
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I glad you found a usage model with which you are happy. I prefer another.
Hi pretty new here still, and already getting a new phone lol.
Quick Version
-Medium or + Cpu/Gfx performance
- affordable/cost effective (prefer $400 or -)
- Highly compatible with many ROMs, Recoveries, Easily unlocked either OEM allowed or well documented solid exploit, any other custom firmware capable etc.
- Prefer slots for SD card and/or Sim card work well, aren't jenky, if known. Decent Space if possible ~32GB+,
- True Airplane mode / Built in firewall? minimal concern but still nice
- Screen size, not a huge requirement, actually don't want something too large
- USB-C preference, very low on priority though
- "Tough firmware"? hard to perma-brick or has a good last resort that usually works, i.e. EDL cable or something
Original Post /Brainstorm below with more details
Little background, for the longest time I survived on an iphone 4s for various anti-social reasons
recently thats changed and been getting into phones more
Unfortunately I got suckered into a V500KL ZenFone 5 Live, a feature starved, bland, boot-loader locked, boring pos
well while trying to spruce it up i hard bricked it, and well, I brought it back
but in my frustration I destroyed something in the sim port while doing desperate last attempts before figuring out the correct UN-brick method.
(which Ive documented in my first post, its over in the zenfone 5 forum , check it out
oh and i promise the un-brick method didn't do it, shoving tweezers in a dead phone to see what i could reach, because phones been dead for days and YOLO was the cause of sim death lol.
so now i have a phone that can't be a phone... time for a new phone ya?
I wanna do it right and get opinions from pros and community opinions, so that would be here right?
So what am i looking for? decent performance, the V500KL was 2nd from the bottom pretty much for the ZenFone line i think.
I don't required the best for CPU/GFX performance, but definitely not bottom group tier.
With that said, affordable, no $1k phones please lol, maybe in the ballpark of.... $400 tops? the bigger bang but for less buck the better
I also want it to be a very compatible phone, i made the switch from my iPhone brand to android because they had a reputation, or used to, of being super customizable, rooting/jailbreaking was a non-issue etc.
Well i was shocked to find out that my V500KL had a locked bootloader with no OEM permission to unlock for that specific model.... i blame Verizon.
SO I want a phone that's unlock-able out of the box without having to do my own R&D on it, whether its OEM or a known solid exploit that's not going away either way works.
Also compatible with as many custom ROMs as possible, was very sad that CWM and TWRP were not compatible with my last phone and could never get magisk due to the boot loader.
- space, looking for 32GB give or take, with EASILY removable SD card expanded storage, not one that feels like its a d20 roll if its going to break every time
I suppose if i had to choose between the 2 it would be a smooth SD card slot though since I could always just get more SD lol, and this isn't something you can easily tell from a product sheet/page so input on this greatly appreciated .
- also extra plus if it has a easily removable sim card slot as well, or has a confirmed TRUE airplane mode.
(Verizon/Asus phones will still download FOTA/OTA updates even with wifi off and airplane mode on, mobile data off, etc.)
- Not really a screen size buff, so average size works i suppose, not against something a bit larger, but id rather it fit in something smaller than my cargo pockets
- Being USB-C would be nice, I've recently made a USB-C EDL cable so if it just so happens to be compatible or easily reconfigured for something/anything the phone may need one for could come in handy, fine with others though, more easy to get a charger from a friend, pros and cons i suppose.
- Tough to perma-brick, i abused the crap out of the software on my V500KL and never perma-bricked it, came close though, and its still not even bricked, i just fryed the sim card port... but its not bricked. Something hard to perma-brick would be nice, if it soft-bricks thats fine, and if hard-bricks are recoverable with an EDL cable thats a plus. Something thats just... perma-bricked prone somehow though, would make me nervous.
well that's all i can really think of....
if there's any key detail that needs to be added ill be happy to add, and if anyone else has a similar list feel free to thread hijack lol I'm just reaching for whats out there and really anything with some hands-on-experince information is appreciated. im in no rush and just wanna know whats good out there .
This is my first Android phone without a micro SD card, and it sucks trying to transfer large files. I'm coming from a Note 10+ with 256GB internal storage and a 512GB micro SD card. So, with a 512GB internal storage only, I'm already taking a step backwards. I've always kept most large files on my SD card and it was simple to place the SD card in the new phone. It's always made backups simple, ever since Android did away with USB Mass Storage. I know I'm old school, but I've also chosen the Note series because it's always been the Swiss Army Knife of cell phones. But, they constantly remove features to the point where there's very little differentiation from other phones. I wish I would've bought a Note 20 Ultra before Samsung stopped making them. But, who knew they would eliminate the micro SD completely. They did it with the Note 5 and apparently realized it was a mistake because they brought it back for the next 5 generations. I almost switched to the Xperia Pro or I III. Except Sony put 95% of their phone features into the camera. I run multiple businesses and I've always relied on the Note with the option of pulling the SD card for quick file transfer. We got minor upgrades in processor and battery, but I don't know if I can except the trade off for what's been omitted. This $1,300 phone might be going in the trash if I can't find some important trade-offs. So far, it seems like a downgrade to my 2019 premium phone.
In the US you can still buy new factory sealed N10+'s and N20U's.
I bought a new N10+ 4 months ago to serve as a backup for my first one. I don't think the N20U is as reliable and it's variable refresh rate display like all of the variable refresh rate displays doesn't have as good a color rendering index as the N10+. The cam hump and that lame lefty spen... idiots.
No SD card slot, no sale. Personally I like to have two 1tb SD card slots.
Screw Sammy for turning all Apple
Call Samsung up and share the wuv
I have had to do 2 factory resets to try and solve some issues. Smart Switch isn't cutting it. Samsung wants me to put in the code off of my other Galaxy device?! I have no other Galaxy device now.
This whole deal starting with the presale has been a disaster. The phone has not been what the specs were either.
blackhawk said:
In the US you can still buy new factory sealed N10+'s and N20U's.
I bought a new N10+ 4 months ago to serve as a backup for my first one. I don't think the N20U is as reliable and it's variable refresh rate display like all of the variable refresh rate displays doesn't have as good a color rendering index as the N10+. The cam hump and that lame lefty spen... idiots.
No SD card slot, no sale. Personally I like to have two 1tb SD card slots.
Screw Sammy for turning all Apple
Call Samsung up and share the wuv
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The left handed S-pen seems retarded. I understand (but still not happy with) the constant rearrangement of the power/volume buttons. I've gotten used to everything being on the left side. But, my Tab S6 has right side buttons. So, if you're gonna switch sides, at least put the power button above or below the volume rocker to match other devices. My patience is running thin. I may be on the search for a new N20U. I still have my 10+, but the back screen's broken and the wifi antenna struggles to reconnect to existing wifi at times. Again, the brand alternatives are slim. I appreciate your point of view on tech.
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This is my first Android phone without a micro SD card, and it sucks trying to transfer large files. I'm coming from a Note 10+ with 256GB internal storage and a 512GB micro SD card. So, with a 512GB internal storage only, I'm already taking a step backwards. I've always kept most large files on my SD card and it was simple to place the SD card in the new phone. It's always made backups simple, ever since Android did away with USB Mass Storage. I know I'm old school, but I've also chosen the Note series because it's always been the Swiss Army Knife of cell phones. But, they constantly remove features to the point where there's very little differentiation from other phones. I wish I would've bought a Note 20 Ultra before Samsung stopped making them. But, who knew they would eliminate the micro SD completely. They did it with the Note 5 and apparently realized it was a mistake because they brought it back for the next 5 generations. I almost switched to the Xperia Pro or I III. Except Sony put 95% of their phone features into the camera. I run multiple businesses and I've always relied on the Note with the option of pulling the SD card for quick file transfer. We got minor upgrades in processor and battery, but I don't know if I can except the trade off for what's been omitted. This $1,300 phone might be going in the trash if I can't find some important trade-offs. So far, it seems like a downgrade to my 2019 premium phone.
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You're not wrong here, pal. I am trading in a N20U for this new S22U that I just received yesterday and the one thing I do dread, is having to backup constantly. I am certainly NOT going to succumb to cloud storage and it sucks ass through a straw to know that every time I add new memes to my collection that stays on my phone, I have to sift through to find those that aren't already backed up. In addition, I can no longer factory reset without affecting the external SD card. If a factory reset is done, EVERYTHING goes bye bye. While this new phone is extremely fast and in a class of its own, it sucks that Samsung went the Apple way — pretty lame.
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The left handed S-pen seems retarded. I understand (but still not happy with) the constant rearrangement of the power/volume buttons. I've gotten used to everything being on the left side. But, my Tab S6 has right side buttons. So, if you're gonna switch sides, at least put the power button above or below the volume rocker to match other devices. My patience is running thin. I may be on the search for a new N20U. I still have my 10+, but the back screen's broken and the wifi antenna struggles to reconnect to existing wifi at times. Again, the brand alternatives are slim. I appreciate your point of view on tech.
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You still have patience with Samsung?
The rear cover for the N10+ is cheap. Replace the battery and anything else needed.
Get a rear cover seal and the seal or assembly for the cam cover if not included with the replacement.
I use the Zizo Bolt case as it gives good drop protection. Easy to hold and keep clean.
I think you should've done your research first since it was already advertised in the first place that it won't have an SD card slot. and before you pre-order, there are device specifications to look at. blaming won't Samsung will not help you, there's a lot of information leaking out before it was introduced to the public.
I came from being an avid user of microSD-cards as well, but as sadly most current phones don't support them any more I moved on....
What I use for file transfer is the app "Total Commander" together with the "Wifi Transfer" Plugin, then connect both phones via Wifi direct (is a bit faster than going over the Wifi router in my house which is used by the whole family) and then copy files over.... Oh, and don't forget to remove battery optimization for both TC and thw Wifi plugin.....
Maximo Beniares Jr. said:
I think you should've done your research first since it was already advertised in the first place that it won't have an SD card slot. and before you pre-order, there are device specifications to look at. blaming won't Samsung will not help you, there's a lot of information leaking out before it was introduced to the public.
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I did my research. There are a lot of us that have been discussing our frustration for months over the omission of the micro SD card slot. I still like a new premium phone every couple of years.
The truth is, unfortunately, these things are spy devices. We shouldn't be keeping personal files and data on these devices. Take your pics and videos and back them up off your device. I don't do the pathetic social media thing, too, so that helps and eliminates any need for personal pictures and videos having to stay on my device. I'm just giving a bit of perspective.
Coming from a note 10 plus with 256 internal and 512 sd card. Used smart switch through a cable and took around 2 hours to transfer 450 Gb of files. I do have the 1 tb model. Don't know if that makes a difference
Get a USB C style micro-sd adapter and plug it into the phone and an SD into that? At one point I am sure samsung were even shipping adapters with their first generation of USB C devices.
Something like this (this is just a quick google, I have not checked nor am I endorsing this particular product, or seller) - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/37378004...7779&msclkid=5a468d1beed019e9d88def02ff420f60
Edit: even trusted companies like kingston sell options, and it was compatible with the S21 Ultra, so should be fine on the S22 Ultra - https://www.mymemory.co.uk/kingston-mobilelite-duo-3c-microsd-card-reader.html
I dont know how this lack of mountable storage is such a big issue for people? Buy a phone with sufficient internal storage and call it a day. And as already mentioned, keeping your entire personal history on your phone is dumb.
I use my laptop to store my files and back them up to an external drive. Super easy to transfer what I need to my new phone.
I do a fresh install of my apps over a period of days priortizing by usage.
It is best to do a clean install. Using a file transfer app to move data and apps from one phone to another can lead to problems. I guess everyone wants an instantaneous process because they want quick and easy.
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I dont know how this lack of mountable storage is such a big issue for people? Buy a phone with sufficient internal storage and call it a day. And as already mentioned, keeping your entire personal history on your phone is dumb.
I use my laptop to store my files and back them up to an external drive. Super easy to transfer what I need to my new phone.
I do a fresh install of my apps over a period of days priortizing by usage.
It is best to do a clean install. Using a file transfer app to move data and apps from one phone to another can lead to problems. I guess everyone wants an instantaneous process because they want quick and easy.
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Yep, why I got a 1TB model. Also bought a Super Speed USB 3 cable and the transfers are lightning quick. The one that came with the phone is USB 2.0 speed.
Would you provide a link to the one you purchased?
I was in the exact same boat. I spent 2 days transferring files and it sucks.
It was two hours for me also. Bundled cable is 2.0 only? What's with all the high wattage cables being USB 2.0 only. Though honestly never really had high regards to Samsungs included cables, they fall apart within a couple month of just simple plug/replug (I don't manhandle devices or cables).
Anyone else go from 65% initial charge to ~ 20% in that span as well?
Steigerelli said:
This is my first Android phone without a micro SD card, and it sucks trying to transfer large files. I'm coming from a Note 10+ with 256GB internal storage and a 512GB micro SD card. So, with a 512GB internal storage only, I'm already taking a step backwards. I've always kept most large files on my SD card and it was simple to place the SD card in the new phone. It's always made backups simple, ever since Android did away with USB Mass Storage. I know I'm old school, but I've also chosen the Note series because it's always been the Swiss Army Knife of cell phones. But, they constantly remove features to the point where there's very little differentiation from other phones. I wish I would've bought a Note 20 Ultra before Samsung stopped making them. But, who knew they would eliminate the micro SD completely. They did it with the Note 5 and apparently realized it was a mistake because they brought it back for the next 5 generations. I almost switched to the Xperia Pro or I III. Except Sony put 95% of their phone features into the camera. I run multiple businesses and I've always relied on the Note with the option of pulling the SD card for quick file transfer. We got minor upgrades in processor and battery, but I don't know if I can except the trade off for what's been omitted. This $1,300 phone might be going in the trash if I can't find some important trade-offs. So far, it seems like a downgrade to my 2019 premium phone.
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Don't trash it donate it to a charity for a good cause and stick with your Note 10+. YOU KNEW there was not gonna be an SD Card option but you bought it anyway. No SD Card and No Audio Jack is the future of phones. Without those it offers more space for the battery and better cooling solutions. If you have a 512 gb SD card why didn't you go with 512gb internal storage? It was only $100 more than 256gb which would have doubled your storage.
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Don't trash it donate it to a charity for a good cause and stick with your Note 10+. YOU KNEW there was not gonna be an SD Card option but you bought it anyway. No SD Card and No Audio Jack is the future of phones. Without those it offers more space for the battery and better cooling solutions. If you have a 512 gb SD card why didn't you go with 512gb internal storage? It was only $100 more than 256gb which would have doubled your storage.
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No SD card slot impacts chipset cooling options little. Most heat is dissipated through the display side and almost none through the frame rail.
Samsung better get their rabid gerbil dancing act together especially after their latest data breach atrocity.
Tired of Samsung telling the customer what they want and need. Screw that. Put out or get out Sammy.
My one N10+ is 512gb. It takes way too long to load that big a drive when you could simple slam in a loaded sd card and be good to go. That's what I did on my 2nd N10+, hit the ground running and setting it up.
blackhawk said:
No SD card slot impacts chipset cooling options little. Most heat is dissipated through the display side and almost none through the frame rail.
Samsung better get their rabid gerbil dancing act together especially after their latest data breach atrocity.
Tired of Samsung telling the customer what they want and need. Screw that. Put out or get out Sammy.
My one N10+ is 512gb. It takes way too long to load that big a drive when you could simple slam in a loaded sd card and be good to go. That's what I did on my 2nd N10+, hit the ground running and setting it up.
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They gonna do what they think is in the best interests of the majority of users and not the niche group (a few percentage) that actually fill up 512gb of storage. It's saves them money not having the SD card and increases their profits because they force you to buy a phone with more than the standard storage option. You got two choices. Accept it or buy a different brand.