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HTC Cruise or HTC Dimond?

Please i need you advice
I'm standard Pocket PC user... I need to decide whether to buy Dimond or Cruise
I've read a lot of review and comparisons but i need user opinion
Thank you for your time

Hello Fadi,
I have a TC and my cousin just bought the Diamond. I was unlocking his Diamond, and had used his phone for 2 days.
Good :
- Lovely look and feel
- Lighter than TC
- Smaller than TC in size (screen is same 2.8")
- VGA Screen!
BAD:
- Usability is bad for the navigation pad! while pressing left or right, many times end up pressing the call buttons! they are too near, and u have to press exactly near the ring.
- The HTC Home interface is quiet slow! the phone i felt seemed slower than the TC
- VGA Screen didnt make much difference to me compared to my TC.
- the 4gb internal storage looks as if htc just put in a 4gb MicroSD card inside! If u install apps on it, they are treated as if installed on a storage card! not the main memory!
- Main memory is less - only 80mb for programs!
- this attracts too much of Thumbprints, so looks horrible after handling it for some time, have to keep cleaning it time to time, so that it stays totally clean and without any thumbprints!
- Biggest disadvantage i see is - The Scroll wheel is not there! The touch sensitive scrolling in the diamond is ONLY for album and Opera! not for browsing contacts or any other navigation work, other than those 2. I use the scroll wheel a lot in my TC
I was about to go in for this trading in my TC, but then didnt, coz i was not happy with it, i didnt like it much, and i think the Touch Cruise is more handy and better.

I think, the diamond is more for girl !

Touch Cruise vs Diamond battle wins iPhone 3G
Just returned my TC to RMA (broken camera, broken wlan, blue tooth is not stable), and ordered iPhone 3G... What will I miss for awhile is Jabra blue tooth earphones support... Everything else is already there and UI designed for fingers...
Microsoft should redesign the whole Windows Mobile shell and applications to be so user-friendly as 3G... To use even Thouch Cruise with one hand is almost impossible... Try it driving your bike, you'll see what I mean.

I just bought an iphone 3g also and I'm selling my cruise.
The iphone OS response time versus the Windows Mobile is a tremendous difference. iphone is so much faster

Thanks
Insane Devil said:
Hello Fadi,
I have a TC and my cousin just bought the Diamond. I was unlocking his Diamond, and had used his phone for 2 days.
Good :
- Lovely look and feel
- Lighter than TC
- Smaller than TC in size (screen is same 2.8")
- VGA Screen!
BAD:
- Usability is bad for the navigation pad! while pressing left or right, many times end up pressing the call buttons! they are too near, and u have to press exactly near the ring.
- The HTC Home interface is quiet slow! the phone i felt seemed slower than the TC
- VGA Screen didnt make much difference to me compared to my TC.
- the 4gb internal storage looks as if htc just put in a 4gb MicroSD card inside! If u install apps on it, they are treated as if installed on a storage card! not the main memory!
- Main memory is less - only 80mb for programs!
- this attracts too much of Thumbprints, so looks horrible after handling it for some time, have to keep cleaning it time to time, so that it stays totally clean and without any thumbprints!
- Biggest disadvantage i see is - The Scroll wheel is not there! The touch sensitive scrolling in the diamond is ONLY for album and Opera! not for browsing contacts or any other navigation work, other than those 2. I use the scroll wheel a lot in my TC
I was about to go in for this trading in my TC, but then didnt, coz i was not happy with it, i didnt like it much, and i think the Touch Cruise is more handy and better.
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Really Thank you for the great comparison
For me i like very much the idea of the SMSD chatting and call log enhancement
What do you think?

Thanks Insane Devil for the comparison, because i my self are thinking of sell my Cruise and buy a Diamond, but i wonder... I think i wait for the official Wm 6.1 for Cruise and look after that.
Isnt it so that if you made a hard reset you lost all settings like Cruise? Because when you have a backup of the setting in your Sd-card its very easy to restore the backup. With Diamond you must have the backup files in your Pc? and load it from there. isnt it so? Now with Cruise you have backups allways with you in the card and all the cab-files you need

omaga said:
Thanks Insane Devil for the comparison, because i my self are thinking of sell my Cruise and buy a Diamond, but i wonder... I think i wait for the official Wm 6.1 for Cruise and look after that.
Isnt it so that if you made a hard reset you lost all settings like Cruise? Because when you have a backup of the setting in your Sd-card its very easy to restore the backup. With Diamond you must have the backup files in your Pc? and load it from there. isnt it so? Now with Cruise you have backups allways with you in the card and all the cab-files you need
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I don't think so my friend as the 4G is seen as memory card in the Dimond
so you'll not lose any saved data on it

I see, now I understand so there is no problem with storing stuff in the memory..Thanks for your answer fadimck!! Im much more wiser now Thanks!

dyter said:
I think, the diamond is more for girl !
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I don't agree with you

I have TC and I wonder to buy Diamond too
Importent thing for me is that big different among VGA on QVGA screen.
On 2,8 seem to me that not big.

Cruise or Diamond?
So I bought a Diamond an recieved a Cruise as gift.
I sold the Diamond, The reaction time of the diamond is not so good, an Im very satisfied with the cruise!
The ones who want a nice, small and stylish device --->Diamond
The others, gamers and those who are always reflashing device for a faster and nicer ROM i think theyre better with the cruise.
(my opinion)

I like Cruise more,
1.The battery of Diamond is too weak.
2.Cruise is faster than Diamond.

Demigor said:
Touch Cruise vs Diamond battle wins iPhone 3G
Just returned my TC to RMA (broken camera, broken wlan, blue tooth is not stable), and ordered iPhone 3G... What will I miss for awhile is Jabra blue tooth earphones support... Everything else is already there and UI designed for fingers...
Microsoft should redesign the whole Windows Mobile shell and applications to be so user-friendly as 3G... To use even Thouch Cruise with one hand is almost impossible... Try it driving your bike, you'll see what I mean.
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There comes the Iphone brigade!
I too had the same dilemma but eventually opted for the TC since the Diamond model in India comes without 3G. And the Iphone was tempting but with no front camera I thought it was a waste since India is going to have 3g very soon and no video call option of Apple. And with Apple its better to wait till they are in the 4thG or 5th, even better! Anyway they have no resale value. (in India that's imp. factor, resale value, since we don't get phones on contract or anything)

Personally... I'd wait. If the Touch Pro were an option, and I had to buy now, I'd go with that. I have the Touch Cruise, it's fine -- would probably like it much better if it had T-Mobile USA 3G bands. If the Diamond had 3D video drivers, that might be a factor -- but as it doesn't, and you can't expand the memory, seems like throwing money down the drain...

the cruise faster than the diamond? how's that posible?
im buying one of these 2 pda's next week, but i cant decide wich one, i would go for the cruise bcuz of his robust material and seemingly more durable, and the diamond for its size, and its VGA screen, there is of course the battery difference, am i missing something? are these valid arguments for choosing one or other?
thanks for your advice

Cruise has expandable memory while Diamond is fixed to 4GB internal if that's important to you. Also the Cruise is more of a true world phone since it supports additional frequencies, while the Diamond is regionalized.

Abandon Raphael for HD

I have been reading several topics on the forthcoming HD and it seems that most of us are very excited and anxious about the HD. Was wondering how many of us would actually dump the TP for the new HD...!!!

I personally don't see the point. The HD is basically a bigger diamond with Pro specs.
I seem to be one of the few who still prefer phones that actually fit in a pocket.
Now a Diamond with Pro specs (RAM, card slot, video out, etc) only missing the keyboard but thinner would be something to think about.

I'm very tempted to go for the Touch HD when (if!) it eventually gets released on T-Mob UK.
Fed up of waiting for them to get the Pro out of the door, plus now I'm running TF2D on my Hermes with the Diamond keyboard I'm not so sure I need a hw keyboard, especially with the bigger screen of the HD typing should be a breeze.
It's not so big as to not fit in a pocket, same size as an iPhone pretty much and noone complains about the size of that (not even Apple haters like me!). It'll be like going back to my old Blueangel! I think the thickness of the Pro makes it less pocketable than a bigger but thinner phone like the HD.

the reason i didnt get a diamond or iphone is because theres no keyboard... so no, im still on the raphael ship

Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.

programatix said:
Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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directional buttons? make use of the accelerometer! i really wish WM has games like iphone

Hmm i'm thinking the same, i currently own a Pro but i'm thinking of selling it and get a HD later. But i'm not sure atm.

I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???

Never: it's way to big, it has no keyboard and no flash(light).

Well... talkin about the flash, I dont really think that the flash on touch pro is of any use either...

I just saw someone walking by that just might be prittier than my current girlfriend....

Because I'm spoiled (and Christmas is almost here), I'm going to get the HD and keep the TP. This way, I can alternate depending on which type of mood I'm in. Just like swapping my watches.
Geez...I love my wife!

programatix said:
Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now.

Axel2k5 said:
I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???
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5MP camera, 3.5mm headphone jack for starters.

The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing. But yes the audio jack is definately a good improvement on the HD, I always prefer to have a conventional audio connector...

akash_nu said:
The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing...
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I totally agree the camera is just a gimmick really. If you want good quality pics to keep you'll take them with a conventional digital camera with an optical zoom. Phone cameras are only good for MMS messages and snapshots to be disposed of at a later date IMHO.
As for the audio connector... why spend 200 quid to update the phone when you can get a HTC mini USB to 3.5" audio adapter on-line for £5???? Doesn't make sense to me unless you have money to burn!

I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!

"That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now."
maybe he mean useless for all those current wm games where many require more hardware buttons then any htc phones got to control various functions like tombraider don't know of any htc phone which had enough buttons for that

I wouldn't replace my TP with HD because I think it's great having a keyboard on your phone for messaging, email, even writing blogs or modifying web pages when I'm not home.

marcel808 said:
I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!
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Are you still running the stock ROM? Wouldnt hurt to explore a cooked flavour before you abandon it

*NEW PHONES* HTC Diamond 2 & Touch Pro 2 **PICTURES**

WOW BREAKING NEWS
Touch Pro 2 News From engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-touch-pro2-is-awesome-in-ways-the-touch-pro-never-could-be/)
So, how do you make HTC's Touch Pro -- already near the top of the WInMo heap -- an even beefier device? For starters, you can throw out that nasty VGA screen of yesteryear and up it with a 3.6-inch 800 x 400 replacement. Next, add a dedicated touch-sensitive zoom slider that works overtime to take maximum advantage of said screen, then throw in a few key carryovers: 512MB of ROM, 288MB of RAM, microSD expansion, and a 3.2 megapixel cam. Meet the Touch Pro2, the official follow-up to HTC's popular series of QWERTY sliders that introduces so-called "Straight Talk" technology for "seamlessly" transitioning conversations between email, single-line calls, and party calls. It'll also automatically switch to the crazy high-performance, full-duplex speakerphone simply by flipping the phone over, so it's clear that this bad boy was meant for business. It'll launch early in the second quarter in parts of Asia and Europe with other "major global markets" following in early Summer.
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DETAILED INFORMATION HERE: http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=83956

I just wish it had tv-out or I'd get it (or the diamond2) I guess I'm the one who uses that feature a lot on my omnia.
Edit: My bad... It DOES have tv-out))

awesome..
now i know why peoples selling their phones
Support HTC

The TouchPro 2 seems more like the Tytn II replacement to me,
I LIKE.​

The touch pro is more business oriented. . . so it probably wont have alot of media features were hoping it has .

A dump promise
Hopefully, someone will soon get their hands on these units to dump the ROMs and port them to Touch Diamond and Touch Diamond Pro.

1-very nice but the lack of d-pad and other buttons is annoying as hell.
2-lets hope the fix the very very poor performance of the diamond this time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZHYimU-VHM&feature=related
3-also software,themes,apps development forums will be too segmented. diamond ,diamont2,tpro,tpro2, blackstone,x1 are all very similar phones(internally). is there a clean and logical way to combine them.
4-whats the code names of these two devices

very nice. Shame they wont work for more than about 3 minutes before something falls off/a random onboard chip of some random nature starts to malfunction.
HTC, design phones then get someone decent to manufacture them.... you cant manufature for toffe.

"...something falls off". Please explain. I've had the Diamond for 2/3 of a year now and nothing has "fallen off"....
In my opinion, the build quality of HTC products is impeccable.
Monty Burns said:
very nice. Shame they wont work for more than about 3 minutes before something falls off/a random onboard chip of some random nature starts to malfunction.
HTC, design phones then get someone decent to manufacture them.... you cant manufature for toffe.
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My experience of HTC hardware is far from good. BlueAngel (dead speaker), two TyTN's, one TyTN II and now a TD - all and i mean ALL of them have had at least one warranty repair or replacement. Actually , thats a lie: TD was sent back for a full refund under UK consumer law as "Not Fit For Purpose" as at the time there was no way to play music without the famous skipping/pause issue.
Just fire up google and use terms like "HTC" "hardware" "fault" "Issue" and so on .... you'll soon see what a timebomb of a device you have.
My Toshiba G900 and now Omnia have restored my faith in Smartphones and there reliability.

thats odd....my TyTNII(Kaiser, from USA) has been nothing short of amazing, and it has taken its share of nasty falls!
anyone know what carrier in the U.S will be providing the TP2??
im praying its AT&T, Its almost time for an upgrade, and I think im in love

Perhaps you got some Gremlins
My HTC phones all work like they did on their first day. I didnt have any hardware Problems and the software problems where solved by this nice Community.
Ok, i hve to admit that HTC really doesnt care that much software-wise... I bet they wont release proper drivers for these devices either...
Thats no problem for me though, as i wont buy another arm or qualcom based Smartphone anyway. Im up for atom-powered voice capable MIDs now.

Hmmm. Quite fancy the Pro 2. Shame it doesn't have a slightly beefier processor though. I'm sure these will be replaced by Snapdragon or Tegra devices shortly after I buy one!

i opened a similar thread but it's closed cause i was to slow
now my question again
what's that "zoom bar" supposed to do

but if HTC devices are built so horribly, why use them over and over?

operative1 said:
i opened a similar thread but it's closed cause i was to slow
now my question again
what's that "zoom bar" supposed to do
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my guess its just the touchwheel from diamond and tpro. not that usuful if you ask me since they could have added more usfel buttons with dpad or remove it for the sake of bigger screen or just remove it to make the phone smaller.

Copy from Raphael Thread
My thoughts:
1. First thing I thought was: I wonder if there will be some way to buy this from AT&T without breaking my contract? I mean, what do they do for people who got a 2-year contract with the original iPhone, and then a year later they want the new iPhone?
2. Longer battery life and a bigger screen are very welcome.
3. I hope that keyboard is a mock-up. Also, I can't imagine using a non-Fuze keyboard, let alone one of those 3-row keyboards most phones have, but it's just way too convenient to have all those punctuation marks available top row.
4. I wonder when this phone will reach stateside.
5. I wonder why the phone's specs aren't improved?
6. I wonder why it's not all-black. It better just be a mockup.
7. Almost Touch HD-sized screen, and the TYTTN II tilt *drools*
But really, it took an entire year for the Touch Pro to come out in the states, so who is really banking on this thing coming out by Summer? And what will AT&T do when I'm willing to give them 300 more dollars for the Touch Pro II, and I still have a contract?
Sure, it's not the improvement we'd all have made. Not more RAM, not a better processor, or drivers... but it's still an improvement over the Touch Pro (unless that isn't a mockup keyboard, in which case I may cry over the colour scheme and the fact that there are LESS KEYS on that phone than the existing Touch Pro) and I'll take it. Plus, the front-facing D-Pad is a pain to use anyway that I just open it up and use my Keyboard D-Pad.

Good point...
drama2747 said:
but if HTC devices are built so horribly, why use them over and over?
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When will we see some dedicated forums for these devices...? moderators...?

HANDS ON VIDEOS
I'm fallin' in love... no kiddin

good to see the phone in action...all though i was tempted to mute the sound lol

HTC Touch Pro2

What do you think?
There aren't much changes compare to the HTC Touch Pro... It's a real turn off for me. I don't even feel like I want to change phone.
- Different Design (I prefer the diamond back cover)
- The Tilt is back (YAY!).
- Bigger Screen, 3.6" instead of 2.8", and it's thinner
- It's Heavier than the HTC Touch Pro
- Processor "Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz" Instead of "Qualcomm® MSM7201A™, 528 MHz" (Same Speed thou)
- Memory and RAM are the same (Disappointed)
- Faster Download Speed, Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz (no America yet, but I'm sure they will come up with something)
- Camera is the same (so disappointed)
I was so eager to change phone from the Tilt to Touch Pro, but not to this phone... Except for the bigger Screen. The Good new is the phone seem to be cheap. So is it time to sell my Fuze yet?
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And additionnaly, there's no more D-PAD.
That's the same reason why I didn't go for the Touch HD.
I don't understand this "everything touch" trend.
I love the touchscreen, but I like being able to use the D-PAD for gaming, scrolling through list items and then "right clicking" an item, etc.

mysterd said:
And additionnaly, there's no more D-PAD.
That's the same reason why I didn't go for the Touch HD.
I don't understand this "everything touch" trend.
I love the touchscreen, but I like being able to use the D-PAD for gaming, scrolling through list items and then "right clicking" an item, etc.
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x2.
I hate not having a D-Pad. What if I don't want to smudge up my screen? A D-pad is a must-have for me.

I replaced an iPhone and a Tilt with a Touch Pro (Fuze) and I *really* miss the larger screen of the iPhone and the ability to tilt the screen. From everything I've read, I will be buying a TP2 as soon as it's available in the US for less than a fortune. Slingplayer will look fabulous on it, I'm sure.
The "everything touch" trend is real easy to understand. iPhone. Period. If it wasn't for Apple, I'd probably have gotten a new one instead of opting for a Fuze. But since Apple insists on treating iPhone users as if they're retarded, I moved on.

I love the bigger screen design but would miss the D-pad, love the tilt (but it is another thing to break) but i dont like the lack of new features (camera the same, same processor speed, same ram, same memory???) seems like they are tryin to pull a iPhone 3G on us... same phone minor improvements

How well do you suppose the camera will function? Do you think we will be able to learn anything from the Touch Pro 2 camera code/functionality that will help us improve the original Touch Pro camera?

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- Camera is the same (so disappointed)
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camera is not exactly the same as it wont have a flash, even more disappointing.
the tilting screen is a great thing, as i really miss the tilting screen of the tilt (kaiser)

Not worth it for me...
For me it's simple...
SAME camera (with no 30fps video)
+ SAME processor speed
+ SAME RAM
+ NO enhanced graphics
+ NO fixed GPS lag
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Waste of $$$
Even when and IF they come out with a US 3G model, my money will be staying in my wallet.

And it's stil on WM6.1, so disapointed.
I'm getting bore of my Fuze, I want to change to a new phone, but there isn't any good reason for me to do so... I'm so bored

For me, the return of the tilt screen and a large screen itself make it worth my money. The camera is nothing to me, I use a real camera anyway. What price marks are we seeing for this phone?

While I appreciate the bigger screen, I am not sure how responsive the device would be with higher resolution and same processor since we all know HTC doesn't believe in video acceleration / drivers in business phones.

TP2 is the reason my TP will live longer in my pocket, plus I am looking for other brands (AGAIN).
WHERE IS MY D-PAD!?
...and why limit it to 3.2MP when every other model has 5?
...and where is the flash!?
No thanks.

KevinACrider said:
For me, the return of the tilt screen and a large screen itself make it worth my money. The camera is nothing to me, I use a real camera anyway. What price marks are we seeing for this phone?
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I don't care much about camera either, but I care a lot about the speed. However, i agreed with you for the big screen...
Anyway, to answer your question about the price, this website is selling it for $750, which I think it's reasonable for a new phone. Check before you buy, I think it only works for Europe and Asia so far.

The bigger screen and the Tilt feature are big pluses for me, but the lack of D-pad is just weird. Also, I have a strong feeling that 2009 and 2010 will reveal alot of amazing devices from other manufacturers...plus HTC might release somethign else that is better. I currently have a Fuze and I think I will just wait. I want to see how WM7 pans out. I sold my iPhone for $400 and I'm saving the money for something that really deserves it. If I still had my Tilt, I would probably upgrade to the TP2, but from a Fuze to a TP2 doesn't make much sense to me.

Well...HTC lost me on this TP2. Not this time...

I honestly like the first Touch Pro more. I don't like the roundedness...I prefer sharp angles. It looks too fat lol.

I love the new Tilt design, it looks more tilted, but I personally prefer the diamond sharp on the back of my Fuze. And the USB slot look too UGLY, it's just coming out too much. I take back what I said about the Camera, I do use the camera on my device a lot lately, mostly because of the fast upload to Facebook.
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Seeing the big screen on this youtube, really make me want it now

Gimme your advice about the D-PAD problem : what do you use instead of it, for example for gaming and so on ? I mean, if you want to control some game emulator, do you use on screen buttons ? As the current devices are not multitouch (I don't want to speak about some well known IwannabeaPHONE), i don't think these are suitable for proper gaming.
Maybe the simple answer is "I don't use my device for gaming...".
What do you think ?

"Some" emulator programs allow onscreen virtual Dpads... but without multitouch, you'll be unable to simultaneously press onscreen buttons.
All games are different though. Some are simply point and click games which don't require a dpad. Others work well without a Dpad.
Most games will flat out be impossible to use.
I came from the Samsung Epix with its Optical Dpad/Mouse... to the Fuze for the Dpad. I later found that the Dpad isn't really a Dpad... but a touchscreen with optical sensors (which is why the Dpad on the fuze sucks; but at least it is a functioning dpad).
I swore my next phone will have a physical dpad and a jog wheel.

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I swore my next phone will have a physical dpad and a jog wheel.
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I'm surprised how few WM devices have a jog wheel; my last one was a FSC Loox 720 and a jog wheel was one of its major positive points back then. It hardly seems like it would be an expensive or difficult control to add, but I guess it's not free and so there's something for HTC to gain by not including one.
I also prefer the diamond back of the Touch Pro, not that the Vario IV has it anyway though (not clear why they had to change that).

Reccomend a Phone thread

Hi folks, you know the drill, my current phone (an HTC Mogul) is getting past it's usefulness and once more I find myself on a hunt to find a phone that has the most of what I do want and the least of what I don't, in other words the best compremise between the device of my dreams and what's actually avaliable.
Further to this I am limited in funds so not only can I not go out and purchase a brand new top of the line model, the device I do end up getting will hopefully last me for a long time (or at least longer then the 1yr I got out of my Mogul).
Perhaps I should start by looking at why my current phone just doesn't do it for me anymore?
1) No wireless - Ever since I flashed it to 6.5 I have had no wifi.
2) No 3.5mm plug - The HTC proprieity adapter hardly works half the time either.
3) OS - 6.5 WiMo flashed is pretty unstable, I regularly have to reset the device because it locks up or just won't work.
4) QVGA - probably the best I can afford, but I do a lot of reading on this and a higher res would be better for my eyes.
5) CDMA - I really need a quadband simcard capable phone.
So what do I want?
1) Wifi, bluetooth, GPS
2) 2mp camera or better
3) 6.5 Wimo native, preferably with duel boot capibility
4) 3.5 or 2.5mm audio output, or HTCusb that actually works!
5) Keyboard if possible (I really like the qwerty thumboard on my Mogul)
6) WVGA or VGA would be nice, but it might be out of my price point.
7) GSM QUADBAND!
Any reccomendations of models would be nice, thankyou

Go for Rhodium!
Definitely the best hardware device out there
If want to spent less money you can try Rapahel or even less (if you find someone who want to sell) Universal

Thanks for the recc, I will check those two out

I agree with ORB you should go for a Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .

DannyFenton said:
I agree with ORB you should go for a
Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .
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Hmm, looking at ebay, the Rhod looks like its about $100 more then the Raph
or $300 for the Touch2 and $210 for the Raph.
At those prices it seems like it would be better just to pay the difference?
Also no one will ship to New Zealand

Yes on that case better go for Rhodium
I have seen ebay sellers who ships to almost any part of the world.
Also have a look on marketplace section, you can find very good deals
Good luck,

UPDATE: I bought myself a HTC Rhodium, very happy with it.
Now, I want to buy my GF a new phone for her birthday. Currenty she is using my ****ty old Blue Angel with WiMo 6.1
She uses the phone everyday (carries it around in her bag), but the only thing she does on it is read. She sometimes sends text messages, but usually not. She hasn't really used any of its other features or installed her own programs or anything (she is a programmer, so she does have the skills to do so).
At the moment I'm tossing up between a HTC Diamond, Diamond 2, Touch HD and another Rhodium. I'm leaning more toward the Diamond1 though. We generally try to avoid spending lots and she's more then happy with the PDA2k so even the diamond is a big upgrade and isn't too expensive.
I use my Rhodium to read alot of comics, but at 480x640 the screen should be highres enough to be an improvement. The other reason I'm leaning toward the Diamond is because of it's small size, and easier for her to carry around.
So, my question: Is there anything wrong with the Diamond that I should consider, and are there any other devices with VGA or better resolution in a similar price range that I should take a look?
Also what is the difference between the Touch Pro and the Diamond (besides the keyboard)?

If you need keyboard go for Raphael, if you don´t need it go for Diamond 2, I buyed one in marketplace for 180US a few months ago.
Or take another Rhodium

Why the recommendations for Rapheal? I am ready to put mine through a wall. The keyboard has gone flaky in the last three months...(delete requires holding down, not just press, P has started to not work, space now triple spaces)
In addition the screen started to separate over the 'x' button about two months back, now I hve that leaky black spot you get when screens break. The control pad at bottom has started to have the plastic cover start to come up.
In the last month the phone has decided to start dropping calls and even losing towers completely. (I have not changed anything on phone in over 6 months) I have rebooted the phone at least 10 times in last three weeks because of screen starting lock up, non-responsive push buttons, and complete lost of tower without attempting to reaquire.
This phone is going tits-up recently and I have had it locked to Edge forever because it will not hold a 3G signal in a very large city.
Not a recommend from me.

Thanks for the reccomendatiom - and the non recccomendation ^_^;

(silly extra text because my message was too short)

Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.

I have a moderately worn Tmo Touch Pro 2 I'm selling off on ebay later today. Only doing a 3 day auction starting at $0.99. If interested I'll post a link. Pics are great of the scratches so you can probably grab it for $125-$150.

a link sounds good

Willuknight said:
Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.
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Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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Willuknight said:
a link sounds good
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200489715435&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

ScandaLeX said:
Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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What where the main issues you had with it?
I've just upgraded from my mogul to the touch2, and the main issue I had with the mogul was the low res and slow processor compared to the touch 2, but overall it was a good phone.

NEED ANDROID PHONE WITH Qwerty keyboard
I'm looking for a new phone to replace my aging G1 but I dont want to give up the real keyboard. The mytouch slide is nice but it's hardware isn't on par with nexus one or htc incredible. The new Samsung Galaxy S Pro with sprint seems promising but not so sure about community support. I love how with my G1 I have so many options, so many great ROMs from Cyanogen and others on XDA. I'm worried that If I go with a samsung I will have better hardware but very few choices when it comes to moded roms. Is there an alternative phone out there with hardware on par with the latest HTC phones that have a slide out keyboard. Any one care to offer thier opinions??

whats your budget?
android or wimo?