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I have the G2x right now and I keep considering the Sensation. The only thing that is stopping me is that the bootloader may be hard to crack. The devs have yet to do it for several devices and this may be the next. Will this stop you or are you still buying?
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Still buying it, too tempting not to
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I rerurned my g2x just for the sensation.
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Was definitely a deal breaker for me with atrix, but sense I can live with until its hacked. Blur and touchwiz I cannot, so no, I'm still getting it
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From what HTC leaks said, it will have a level of security like thunderbolt or incredible S.
If it's like thunderbolt it will be very easy to unlock, if it's like IS given the actual R&D of the devs...it ''may'' be unlocked once released if the IS method is working.
So it doesn't look like an impossible mission for our good devs
All the N1,Desire and DHD devs will work on it, very few are going towar the SGS2
Yes. It IS a deal-breaker for me. It was the only reason I didn't get the Incredible S two months ago.
So far it looks like the only way to unlock the Incredible S is with an XTC Clip and the last time I looked it was only working for some models.
Bin4ry may have made some headway on this but the last post I see from him with any new information on the matter was on the 26th of April when he said, "I said that i made progress YES, but i have not achieved anything."
TBH I've been having a terrible Android experience so far. Being on the Motorola Milestone, I still don' tknow what it's like to be on a fully free device... not to mention the 256mb RAM really CRIPPLES the entire experience of this phone.
So while the specs on these new phones are nice, I think I'd be getting a screwed up vision of Android once again if these phones never get unlocked. Somehow I had hoped Moto's bootloader would get cracked. Boy was I wrong.
The question is : why getting the risk ? there is plenty of unlocked bootloaders devices out there from LG and SE and even some better spec'd like the SGS2. LG and SE aren't very supported by devs but HTC and Samsung are the best supported one, so if a free bootloader is important for you and you don't even want to worry about dev support take an unlocked one
But for me it is not a dealbreaker as I'm getting both (SGS2 and Sensation), but for someone that will only pick one of the two you might have to think twice..
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The question is : why getting the risk ? there is plenty of unlocked bootloaders devices out there from LG and SE and even some better spec'd like the SGS2. LG and SE aren't very supported by devs but HTC and Samsung are the best supported one, so if a free bootloader is important for you and you don't even want to worry about dev support take an unlocked one
But for me it is not a dealbreaker as I'm getting both (SGS2 and Sensation), but for someone that will only pick one of the two you might have to think twice..
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Or stick with the G2X.
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Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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Scoop24 said:
Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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I didnt hear that with the mytouch and I had it since launch. Just heard it mainly with the atrix.
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Scoop24 said:
Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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Yeah it's a huge deal breaker to me Can't have another failure like the milestone :/
charlieb620 said:
Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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MyTouch4G and G2 bootloader was lock. Dude don't worry.. if you have doubts just buy what you like Samsung S II or LG
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Yeah it's a huge deal breaker to me Can't have another failure like the milestone :/
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How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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charlieb620 said:
How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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Still the kernel can't be changed. Keep in mind that a stable 2.2 rom wasn't possible until motorola released beta's of that rom. This due to the fact that the 2.2 rom didn't really want to work with the 2.1 kernel. Motorola isn't really great at writing kernels either.
I already know the next android version will probably won't work.
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How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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HTC have their bootloader sign is different from Motorola bootloader sign with encryption is two different things htc don't use encryption moto does.
charlieb620 said:
Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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So it will be rootable and we can block ads, use apps requiring root, etc, just not load different ROMs?
Not overly concerned about custom Roms, but definitely want to be able to run some apps that require root.
If I am understanding this correctly my G2x is going back tonight.
I'm completely content to run a stock ROM if it's stable. I've never had occasion to root or put an alternative ROM on my Nexus One and all of my experiences with the HD2, G1, and Viewsonic G-Tablet ROMs have been mixed, Cyanogen or otherwise.
Definitely not a deal breaker.
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HTC have their bootloader sign is different from Motorola bootloader sign with encryption is two different things htc don't use encryption moto does.
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Hmm I did understand that the latest update of the wildfire made it impossible to flash custom firmware. Hope it doesn't go that way.
What is the point of this?
The idea of this is to convince htc to unlock the bootloaders and disable the NAND protection on their phones
Why should I support this?
Unlocking the bootloader and disabling the NAND protection will allow users to keep their phones up to date using custom roms such as CM7. Take the htc wildfire for example. In december 2010, HTC released a 2.2 update for the wildfire. However, hidden in this update was a new bootloader which could not (and still can not as of the 15th may 2011) be modified. It is unlikely that HTC will release another update for this phone, meaning that users are going to be stuck on this rom. The reason? So HTC can sell new phones. However what this is doing is putting users off buying HTC's devices since rival companies have announced that the users can easily unlock the bootloaders on their devices.
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we need way more attention to this topic...after 1.5 years with the motorola milestone I was waiting for a awesome htc device...although the sensation is inferior to the samsung galaxy s2, I would go for it..I would totally turn a blind eye on the fact that it has less ram, ridiculouse internal storage and its thickness..my only true concern was the bootloader..after the milestone I would never ever go for a device with a signed bootloader again..I would totally pass on guarantee just to have an open bootloader..
If I may interject. The point of a locked bootloader is not to sell more devices, it is to protect the intellectual property contained on said locked device from being dumped, IE full versions of otherwise payed programs that the OEM includes in their ROM(Swype etc.). If users are able to simply dump an image that contains these programs, they can then redistribute them as they see fit. Do not misread me, I am for unlocked bootloaders 100% and have used HTC devices for almost 5 years now. I just wanted to add my opinion that its not about you buying another device for an update, its about manufactures trying to protect themselves.
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Fair one
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I support!
Here goes my support
+1 support
But the dump still leaks out in the form of a ruu
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If you havent already please share
On another note its great to see that there are 133 new sigs overnight
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If you havent already please share
On another note its great to see that there are 133 new sigs overnight
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I signed and shared the information.
Good
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We got 2k sigs!!!!! And it is now a featured groubal http://www.groubal.com/
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We got 2k sigs!!!!! And it is now a featured groubal http://www.groubal.com/
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That's roughly €1000000/£877000/$1423000 in sold phones(when price in € is 500,which is lower than atleast here in Finland). That kind of money should have some effect?
Signed and shared
just signed.
3000+ nice
So, at what point does this get submitted to HTC??
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Football is on a roll lately releasing Sensation ruu, so far we have 8 ruu already in development section not including Asia ruu that would be 9 updates. It's getting very interesting indeed.
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epsix said:
Football is on a roll lately releasing Sensation ruu, so far we have 8 ruu already in development section not including Asia ruu that would be 9 updates. It's getting very interesting indeed.
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But sadly, none of these currently have an ENG H-BOOT (as far as we know )
We need that.
Would be super cool if people would support this phone like the HD2 (being able to run android and WM6.5/7). Just throwing it out there... Would have bought a HD7 but waiting for the software to do a little catch up. Thinking when mango is released it will be that point where it had matured and everyone would be content using it day to day.
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Would be super cool if people would support this phone like the HD2 (being able to run android and WM6.5/7). Just throwing it out there... Would have bought a HD7 but waiting for the software to do a little catch up. Thinking when mango is released it will be that point where it had matured and everyone would be content using it day to day.
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That would be cool.
I like WM 2003 SE.
i would be interested in a dual boot if possible for sure
Would be cool, but probably won't happen because of the massive undertaking that would have to happen. Wp7 doesn't even have drivers for dual core phones..the drivers is what would make the whole thing a headache
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No and No.
If you want a wm phone why buy an android? I don't get it..
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Montagues and Capulets here.
Do not bother me with "windows" talk.
We are Android.
P.
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When bootloader unlock comes I just want a GB Vanilla Rom or a Faster Sense Rom. I'm not a fan of WM7. Had the Focus and it sucked. I don't think ill ever leave android.
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Should have got an HD7...not a bad phone for what it is.
PaulGiz said:
Montagues and Capulets here.
Do not bother me with "windows" talk.
We are Android.
P.
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Which are we again? Well which ever we are....death to the other house. Hahaha
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A plague on BOTH your houses!
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Launcher 7 and android is a match made. There's plenty of apps that mimic wp7 looks.
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I would totally be up for that! I really like both operating systems. If the browser were just better, or there were alternative browsers that were worthwhile on WP7, I might still be using the HD7. Right up until I ended up with a Sensation.
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Would be cool, but probably won't happen because of the massive undertaking that would have to happen. Wp7 doesn't even have drivers for dual core phones..the drivers is what would make the whole thing a headache
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Mango does support dual-core. the lastest spec sheet for upcoming wp7 devices says so. so the driver headache is not there...
Windows is disgustingly terrible . Why ruin an Android device with such blasphemy ?
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Windows is disgustingly terrible . Why ruin an Android device with such blasphemy ?
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I wouldn't go that far...
And unless they are using this exact chipset, yes drivers are still a problem, dual core optimized or not
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I wouldn't mind dual-booting both. WP7 is a great mobile OS.
I don't mind to try wp7. See what's the differences.
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Yeah....in before the flame war. This isn't going to happen.
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With the great news and achieving s off I am going to try and create a security pin for bootloader. This will be my first project so any tips or suggestions would be awesome. If one exists already that would be good also. My concern is making it compatible with all hoxl custom roms. Is this a viable project and is it needed , feedback would be great thx.
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With the great news and achieving s off I am going to try and create a security pin for bootloader. This will be my first project so any tips or suggestions would be awesome. If one exists already that would be good also. My concern is making it compatible with all hoxl custom roms. Is this a viable project and is it needed , feedback would be great thx.
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What will this do?
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My goal is to have a layer of security before access to bootloader , and prevent unauthorized acess through fastboot usb. I have seen similar things on different devices. Obviously 90% of people in xda can access most phones specially when rooted. I hate remote security features myself and think it would be good to have encryption base security before boot. Devices are more powerful and resource issues should be ok....Loss of a rooted phone with no security seems to be a huge vulnerability in both identity theft and privacy.
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DESERT.TECH said:
With the great news and achieving s off I am going to try and create a security pin for bootloader. This will be my first project so any tips or suggestions would be awesome. If one exists already that would be good also. My concern is making it compatible with all hoxl custom roms. Is this a viable project and is it needed , feedback would be great thx.
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+1 I'm all for it man I agree with you! I have to much stuff on here and if someone got ahold of my phone they'd literelly have almost all of my info
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Ya the issue I'm wrestling with is if the encrypted container header gets corrupted there is possibilty to get locked out of bootloader with no way back in , at best you loose everything , at worst paper weight. This is my first project so it will take me a bit ...
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Delete......security team will be making new thread when finished ...
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What do you think if we start a facebook group or page !
I think the petition is a good start, but we need to get htc attention!
One way could be to create a page or a group on facebook of disappointed customers that can start a campaign consisting in posting on Htc related pages to express the disappointing of this shameful updates policy!
I started a group and a page on facebook, there are the links: GROUP and PAGE
We can do the same also on Goggle+!!!!
What do you think? what else we can do?
We can try, but I think that normal users/customers like us havent enough power to change htcs decisions..
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NQNH said:
We can try, but I think that normal users/customers like us havent enough power to change htcs decisions..
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Just do it we have nothing to loose now and HTC have every thing to loose.
This is not just about the one s but all there phones the more people that no there will be no updates on there phones the more people stop buying them , including there flagship phones.
I joined the group and liked the page. I think it makes it harder to defend android phones when we have this kind of lack of support and updates. At least for the average user who doesnt want to root.
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Apparently Qualcomm isn't supporting HTC with needed drivers for the s3 models and in conclusion there's no update for either device... They even said that the current stock Rom is already perfectly optimized so there is no need for an update in the first place. What kind of twisted logic is that? The phone has 2 years warranty and one year passed and update support already ends? If they pull through with this, this is my last HTC phone..
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Seriously.....this has already been tried with a more popular phone the Desire HD and NOTHING came of it. HTC just does not care what people care/think.
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DroidRunner said:
Seriously.....this has already been tried with a more popular phone the Desire HD and NOTHING came of it. HTC just does not care what people care/think.
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HTC desire its true I was there to and HTC did nothing , and here we all are again how many times are we going to let HTC screw us?
Let's see I have owned G1, Hd2,Evo4g,Sensation,and One S.Now I own S2,Droid Razr,Galaxy Nexus,Nexus7 paid about half of what I would have for HTC much happier seems crazy to pay 650 for a device that will have slow updates and early retirement plus there s off and unlock suck next up for me Moto X
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Petition on change.org
Sign the Petition on change.org mentioned here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2349075
Maybe HTC will change their mind, at least for the C1/S4-Versions.
Here's the direct link to participate, about 500 supporters still needed!
https://www.change.org/petitions/ht...utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition
greetings
Matthias
searchworlds said:
What do you think if we start a facebook group or page !
I think the petition is a good start, but we need to get htc attention!
One way could be to create a page or a group on facebook of disappointed customers that can start a campaign consisting in posting on Htc related pages to express the disappointing of this shameful updates policy!
I started a group and a page on facebook, there are the links: GROUP and PAGE
We can do the same also on Goggle+!!!!
What do you think? what else we can do?
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its too late for the one s. they dont read/dont care about these petitions and fb pages. want to make a change? vote with your wallet. stop buying HTC phones
Is the PAGE gone?
HTC must have threatened facebook into removing it lol. Scumbags
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