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[Q] HTC Bootloader and NAND campaign

What is the point of this?
The idea of this is to convince htc to unlock the bootloaders and disable the NAND protection on their phones
Why should I support this?
Unlocking the bootloader and disabling the NAND protection will allow users to keep their phones up to date using custom roms such as CM7. Take the htc wildfire for example. In december 2010, HTC released a 2.2 update for the wildfire. However, hidden in this update was a new bootloader which could not (and still can not as of the 15th may 2011) be modified. It is unlikely that HTC will release another update for this phone, meaning that users are going to be stuck on this rom. The reason? So HTC can sell new phones. However what this is doing is putting users off buying HTC's devices since rival companies have announced that the users can easily unlock the bootloaders on their devices.
To support the campaign please sign the petition at http://goo.gl/uIeqv and you can like us on facebook at http://goo.gl/e1CqN and you can see updates on my blog at http://goo.gl/KdpFr
We got featured on androidspin http://goo.gl/DryCd and eurodroid http://goo.gl/4SNf8

I've just sign it every bit help the cause.
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we need way more attention to this topic...after 1.5 years with the motorola milestone I was waiting for a awesome htc device...although the sensation is inferior to the samsung galaxy s2, I would go for it..I would totally turn a blind eye on the fact that it has less ram, ridiculouse internal storage and its thickness..my only true concern was the bootloader..after the milestone I would never ever go for a device with a signed bootloader again..I would totally pass on guarantee just to have an open bootloader..

If I may interject. The point of a locked bootloader is not to sell more devices, it is to protect the intellectual property contained on said locked device from being dumped, IE full versions of otherwise payed programs that the OEM includes in their ROM(Swype etc.). If users are able to simply dump an image that contains these programs, they can then redistribute them as they see fit. Do not misread me, I am for unlocked bootloaders 100% and have used HTC devices for almost 5 years now. I just wanted to add my opinion that its not about you buying another device for an update, its about manufactures trying to protect themselves.
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Fair one
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I support!

Here goes my support
+1 support

But the dump still leaks out in the form of a ruu
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If you havent already please share
On another note its great to see that there are 133 new sigs overnight
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brilldoctor said:
If you havent already please share
On another note its great to see that there are 133 new sigs overnight
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I signed and shared the information.

Good
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We got 2k sigs!!!!! And it is now a featured groubal http://www.groubal.com/
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brilldoctor said:
We got 2k sigs!!!!! And it is now a featured groubal http://www.groubal.com/
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That's roughly €1000000/£877000/$1423000 in sold phones(when price in € is 500,which is lower than atleast here in Finland). That kind of money should have some effect?

Signed and shared

just signed.

3000+ nice

So, at what point does this get submitted to HTC??

7k sigs
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Football is on a roll lately releasing Sensation ruu, so far we have 8 ruu already in development section not including Asia ruu that would be 9 updates. It's getting very interesting indeed.
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epsix said:
Football is on a roll lately releasing Sensation ruu, so far we have 8 ruu already in development section not including Asia ruu that would be 9 updates. It's getting very interesting indeed.
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But sadly, none of these currently have an ENG H-BOOT (as far as we know )
We need that.

Google buying Motorola

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html?m=1

Wow
Does this increase the possibility of Motorola making the next Nexus phone after Prime?

not sure what the relevance to the HTC sensation this has to be fair...

I just read this on CNN.com. Although it doesn't really have anything to do with HTC, it's still a very interesting piece of tech news. We don't know how this will affect Motorola's practices, but it's likely that bootloaders will be unlocked and Google will release future reference phones (Nexus) through the Motorola brand.
I'll be keeping an eye on further developments. Could there be a Motorola in my future?

Quite sure that won't change much in relation to OEMs. It's a defensive move (17k patents).

As long as they don't shut Moto Down like apple did Lala... I dought they will anyway but u don't know
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anarchyuk said:
not sure what the relevance to the HTC sensation this has to be fair...
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In all honesty,i don't even have a Sensation. I have the Evo 3d. I read it in the 3d general forum.
Because our phones are so similar I spend a lot of time reading about the awesome stuff your devs are doing. I was only trying to let you know whats up with Android.
Btw.. you all have a Beautiful work of art in your hands. The Sensation looks like a wonderful device. I hope the development guys go back and forth between the sensation and 3d . Maybe the answers to any flaws in the devices can be worked out together ..(ie touchscreen).
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veper said:
Quite sure that won't change much in relation to OEMs. It's a defensive move (17k patents).
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100% correct
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This has potential to be the best thing that has happened to us consumers using Motorola phones, and those planning to use Motorola devices in the future.
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Wow...this is surprising and came from no where. I don't know how much the microsoft-nokia alliance played a part in this acquisition.
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Motorola needed this for their phones.

There was quite a bit of mention of 'supercharge' in larry's blog post lol.

[REQUEST] WebOS port for One X

Well as most of you might of heard, webos has finally been released in beta to the public. I was just wandering if anyone would take on the challenge of bringing such amazing OS to a phone that i think its perfect in form factor and everything for it. And i think the sooner development starts on the One X with webos well the more accostumed developers will get and maybe with future releases from hp the One X could be one of the devices to get early builds from them. Its just a request after all though, i think it would make a lot of us hapoy to see it

Its one of my long terms goals, over the course of the next year or so, now that things with JB have smoothed over. Though it might not even happen... may be impossible. The OS is entirely different than Android. The only thing they share is the Linux kernel (which still needs heavy modification).
No ETAs. Ever.
If you want to contribute and you can contribute to the project, let me know via PM or email.

but i saw that web os is ported to htc evo 3d already.how is evo 3d different from our phone?

Because this forum doesn't have the same developers as the EVO, save reason why the One S hasn't got it either.
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usaff22 said:
Because this forum doesn't have the same developers as the EVO, save reason why the One S hasn't got it either.
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I must say isn't this statement sort of a smack in the face to our current developers?
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superchilpil said:
I must say isn't this statement sort of a smack in the face to our current developers?
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It kind of is but the fact is that our device isn't as popular as others in attracting developers. While the ones we do have are great, it simply can't match the number of developers for other devices which makes large projects like this more achievable.
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DesirableDesire said:
It kind of is but the fact is that our device isn't as popular as others in attracting developers. While the ones we do have are great, it simply can't match the number of developers for other devices which makes large projects like this more achievable.
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Ehh that's sorta true but it only takes one dev, I've been around both big and small communities on xda and its usually just one big dev who comes through with the break through that paves the way for the less experienced devs
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Really not a smack in the face at all to our current devs. Our current devs may just not be interested in webOS. They're busy making better stuff for what we have now. and doing a mighty good job thus far. You can't fault them for not having the interest in webos (i personally would consider running it just to say i could, but i'd be back on CR probably within a couple hours.

As a touchpad owner i guarantee you will hate webos because of the lack of apps.
It's funny to see people request android on touchpad and people request webos on android

Alcoholic said:
As a touchpad owner i guarantee you will hate webos because of the lack of apps.
It's funny to see people request android on touchpad and people request webos on android
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Have to agree there. WebOS had (has?) so much potential.... In some ways it's still superior to Android. But without apps, its pretty useless. With no OEM backing it anymore... Where's the incentive to develop?
It has crazy potential though. Back it the early Android porting days of the Touchpad, someone created an android environment that ran entirely as a WebOS page for running apps. If an OEM could pull that off, they'd have the best of both worlds.

With all these new phones coming out it's hard to pick which one will have the best/most developer support. Back about 1-2 years ago there were many phones but only a few "great" high end ones so most of the developers were on those all at the same time. Now there are many high end phones on all networks and internationally so the developers are spread out. It wasn't a problem before, but now I won't buy a phone at launch, no matter how great, before I see what the development will be like. I made that mistake with the Galaxy Note for AT&T. The development there wasn't even close to the international version.
The One X is an incredible phone. Imagine what it would be like with the amount of development that the Nexus or even the Evo 3d has? It's kinda sad that this phone doesn't have that much popularity with more developers. It's a better phone all around than the Nexus or Evo 3d.
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Actually I can't say that I won't buy a phone again without looking at the development because I do plan on getting the Note 2 at launch. The tough part is gonna be figuring out which version to get. It's probably gonna be like the sgs3. Some of the versions have more development than the others.
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is this useful by any means?
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/open-webos-galaxy-nexus-port-source-code-now-available/

SkizzMcNizz said:
Imagine what it would be like with the amount of development that the Nexus or even the Evo 3d has? It's kinda sad that this phone doesn't have that much popularity with more developers. It's a better phone all around than the Nexus or Evo 3d.
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Guess you didn't have the gsm 3vo then eh?
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PurpleFries said:
Guess you didn't have the gsm 3vo then eh?
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Lol nope. Maybe the evo 3d was a bad example.
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saketh91 said:
is this useful by any means?
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/open-webos-galaxy-nexus-port-source-code-now-available/
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I would actually prefer looking at how to merge some WebOS features into Android, rather than port the OS over without a halfway decent app store .
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h8rift said:
I would actually prefer looking at how to merge some WebOS features into Android, rather than port the OS over without a halfway decent app store .
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True story. I wonder if we'll start to see Webdroid or AndrOS hybrid-ports in the next couple of years.

JB in November 2012

Hi,
HTC confirmed that the S will get its JB-Update in Novemver 2012. (http://www.golem.de/news/hands-on-htc-one-x-plus-mit-schnellerem-tegra-3-prozessor-1210-94817-3.html) (german!)
Greets

YAY , only a month
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Hmm interesting. Flash player will natively work on the JB upgrade...

Vauix said:
Hmm interesting. Flash player will natively work on the JB upgrade...
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On Engadget it says that JB will be rolling out THIS month!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/02/htc-jelly-bean-one-series/

According to gsmarena.com JB will arrive this month!
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x_with_android_41_jelly_bean_is_now_official__-news-4884.php

stylus1828 said:
According to gsmarena.com JB will arrive this month!
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x_with_android_41_jelly_bean_is_now_official__-news-4884.php
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maybe they'll roll it out on different times in different countries...

Yeah... that's true.
It's sad because we the owners that use the s3 version of the htc one s didn't get android 4.0.4 and sense 4.1 and others will be getting jb this month!
Another F.U. post for HTC !

Yea, but if you read at the bottom, tmo one s won't get it with the rest, it's bad enough having to wait on manufacturers to work the new version into their skin that they just haaave to have, but we also have to wait on the carrier to approve and add their extra layer of crap. I really wish they would all just give us the option to run vanilla android if we wanted without rooting. It does me up the wall. Ok I'm done ranting now.
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The one s and one x, won't see jb until the one x+ is released
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JB come to HOS and HOX free's in october, with a company comes in november-december

This is good, seems HTC and Samsung both want to get there flagship devices on jb, but we will probably see a leak sooner I knew it was coming soon
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Yanno with how tmo is constantly trying to improve everything. Common sense would b to get these updates out quickly. To build confidence with there customers.
But it does make sense for HTC to wait for the one x+ to land in the u.s .. but screw both theories /endofrant
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Well even if that's the case we will still see it here before T-Mobile anyways but atleast we know when to expect it
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stylus1828 said:
Yeah... that's true.
It's sad because we the owners that use the s3 version of the htc one s didn't get android 4.0.4 and sense 4.1 and others will be getting jb this month!
Another F.U. post for HTC !
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Why didn't you make sure you bought the s4 before buying it?
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Many of us didn't know that there are 2 versions of the One S (i didn't).
Add to that the fact that the S3 is sold in specific regions.

greeneyes513 said:
The one s and one x, won't see jb until the one x+ is released
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One x+ ? Wtf?
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CrayzyBoy said:
One x+ ? Wtf?
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Have a look at the OP.

dbgrigg189 said:
Yea, but if you read at the bottom, tmo one s won't get it with the rest, it's bad enough having to wait on manufacturers to work the new version into their skin that they just haaave to have, but we also have to wait on the carrier to approve and add their extra layer of crap. I really wish they would all just give us the option to run vanilla android if we wanted without rooting. It does me up the wall. Ok I'm done ranting now.
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You do have a choice.... its called get a Nexus!!! HTC/Samsung/Motorola/etc, always have, and always will add a skin to their phones. It's one of the reasons I bought my One S... For Sense!!!!! I never understood why people complain and ask companies to remove the one feature they add that is PURPOSELY added to help differentiate their phones from all the rest.

I prefer vanilla over sense. I bought the One S because of the excellent hardware, not because of sense. Still I would say that sense is better than vanilla for beginners. Some reasons:
1. Labels under every button so its behavior is clear. In some Google apps, for example Gmail, there are lots of buttons without labels and its not always clear what they do. Yes, I know I can long press to get description, but not everyone does.
2. More functionality included without third party apps. Why hasn't Google included something as basic as stopwatch in their clock app?
Theres probably more, but this is what I could think of now

Habarug said:
I prefer vanilla over sense. I bought the One S because of the excellent hardware, not because of sense. Still I would say that sense is better than vanilla for beginners. Some reasons:
1. Labels under every button so its behavior is clear. In some Google apps, for example Gmail, there are lots of buttons without labels and its not always clear what they do. Yes, I know I can long press to get description, but not everyone does.
2. More functionality included without third party apps. Why hasn't Google included something as basic as stopwatch in their clock app?
Theres probably more, but this is what I could think of now
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Wow...been using Android for many years and just learned about this long press trick. I don't care about #2...I'd rather find an app that works the way I want it to rather than have some bloatware running in the background all the time.

HTC lying again

Was just on chat with support. Contiually lying to me that both versions s4 and s3 jb were released at the same time and I shouldn't rely on third party websites like xa for news hmmmmm

I hate HTC. My next phone will be a Nexus device. But that's my own rant. I still love the One S!

AW: HTC lying again
No wonder why htc is going down!
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Kinda like HTC president commenting that it was poor marketing campaigns that made for lower sales than other brands.
I really like the build quality on my HTC devices. But some things could be improved on other ends.

+1. Build quality is great, much better than sh*tty Samsung devices with plastic all over it. The software side, support, and updates are what is lacking at a disgusting level.

decievedthought said:
Was just on chat with support. Contiually lying to me that both versions s4 and s3 jb were released at the same time and I shouldn't rely on third party websites like xa for news hmmmmm
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Nope, Jelly Bean update for One S C2 is still in developement process (God Knows, when it will be live?)
I recently checked a thread on HTC UK's Facebook page they have specifically mentioned that Jelly Bean update for HTC One S C2 is in developement/testing phase
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yogeshbhandalkar said:
Nope, Jelly Bean update for One S C2 is still in developement process (God Knows, when it will be live?)
I recently checked a thread on HTC UK's Facebook page they have specifically mentioned that Jelly Bean update for HTC One S C2 is in developement/testing phase
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So there probably is an issue with it eg performance or it wouldn't be this long. Most likely the fact they used an older slower processor. They should replace every s3.
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When I buy a device, I honestly dont give a rats ass about what the manufacture says. I check the XDA section for said device and see how the custom rom/root/unlock support is , and google a bit for build quality etc.
The only thing that we have to rely on the manufacture for, is the kernel source for said device/version. GIEF THE SOURCE ALREADY!
But theres always AOSP options...
Half the point, for me at least, with an android device is that you are NOT LOCKED to whatever the manufacture puts in it - you are free to change it!