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[Q] Is The Signed/Locked Bootloader A Deal Breaker?

I have the G2x right now and I keep considering the Sensation. The only thing that is stopping me is that the bootloader may be hard to crack. The devs have yet to do it for several devices and this may be the next. Will this stop you or are you still buying?
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Still buying it, too tempting not to
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I rerurned my g2x just for the sensation.
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Was definitely a deal breaker for me with atrix, but sense I can live with until its hacked. Blur and touchwiz I cannot, so no, I'm still getting it
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From what HTC leaks said, it will have a level of security like thunderbolt or incredible S.
If it's like thunderbolt it will be very easy to unlock, if it's like IS given the actual R&D of the devs...it ''may'' be unlocked once released if the IS method is working.
So it doesn't look like an impossible mission for our good devs
All the N1,Desire and DHD devs will work on it, very few are going towar the SGS2

Yes. It IS a deal-breaker for me. It was the only reason I didn't get the Incredible S two months ago.
So far it looks like the only way to unlock the Incredible S is with an XTC Clip and the last time I looked it was only working for some models.
Bin4ry may have made some headway on this but the last post I see from him with any new information on the matter was on the 26th of April when he said, "I said that i made progress YES, but i have not achieved anything."

TBH I've been having a terrible Android experience so far. Being on the Motorola Milestone, I still don' tknow what it's like to be on a fully free device... not to mention the 256mb RAM really CRIPPLES the entire experience of this phone.
So while the specs on these new phones are nice, I think I'd be getting a screwed up vision of Android once again if these phones never get unlocked. Somehow I had hoped Moto's bootloader would get cracked. Boy was I wrong.

The question is : why getting the risk ? there is plenty of unlocked bootloaders devices out there from LG and SE and even some better spec'd like the SGS2. LG and SE aren't very supported by devs but HTC and Samsung are the best supported one, so if a free bootloader is important for you and you don't even want to worry about dev support take an unlocked one
But for me it is not a dealbreaker as I'm getting both (SGS2 and Sensation), but for someone that will only pick one of the two you might have to think twice..

touness69 said:
The question is : why getting the risk ? there is plenty of unlocked bootloaders devices out there from LG and SE and even some better spec'd like the SGS2. LG and SE aren't very supported by devs but HTC and Samsung are the best supported one, so if a free bootloader is important for you and you don't even want to worry about dev support take an unlocked one
But for me it is not a dealbreaker as I'm getting both (SGS2 and Sensation), but for someone that will only pick one of the two you might have to think twice..
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Or stick with the G2X.
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Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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Scoop24 said:
Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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I didnt hear that with the mytouch and I had it since launch. Just heard it mainly with the atrix.
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Scoop24 said:
Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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Yeah it's a huge deal breaker to me Can't have another failure like the milestone :/

charlieb620 said:
Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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MyTouch4G and G2 bootloader was lock. Dude don't worry.. if you have doubts just buy what you like Samsung S II or LG

MoonRaven said:
Yeah it's a huge deal breaker to me Can't have another failure like the milestone :/
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How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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charlieb620 said:
How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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Still the kernel can't be changed. Keep in mind that a stable 2.2 rom wasn't possible until motorola released beta's of that rom. This due to the fact that the 2.2 rom didn't really want to work with the 2.1 kernel. Motorola isn't really great at writing kernels either.
I already know the next android version will probably won't work.

charlieb620 said:
How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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HTC have their bootloader sign is different from Motorola bootloader sign with encryption is two different things htc don't use encryption moto does.

charlieb620 said:
Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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So it will be rootable and we can block ads, use apps requiring root, etc, just not load different ROMs?
Not overly concerned about custom Roms, but definitely want to be able to run some apps that require root.
If I am understanding this correctly my G2x is going back tonight.

I'm completely content to run a stock ROM if it's stable. I've never had occasion to root or put an alternative ROM on my Nexus One and all of my experiences with the HD2, G1, and Viewsonic G-Tablet ROMs have been mixed, Cyanogen or otherwise.
Definitely not a deal breaker.

epsix said:
HTC have their bootloader sign is different from Motorola bootloader sign with encryption is two different things htc don't use encryption moto does.
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Hmm I did understand that the latest update of the wildfire made it impossible to flash custom firmware. Hope it doesn't go that way.

[Q] HTC Bootloader and NAND campaign

What is the point of this?
The idea of this is to convince htc to unlock the bootloaders and disable the NAND protection on their phones
Why should I support this?
Unlocking the bootloader and disabling the NAND protection will allow users to keep their phones up to date using custom roms such as CM7. Take the htc wildfire for example. In december 2010, HTC released a 2.2 update for the wildfire. However, hidden in this update was a new bootloader which could not (and still can not as of the 15th may 2011) be modified. It is unlikely that HTC will release another update for this phone, meaning that users are going to be stuck on this rom. The reason? So HTC can sell new phones. However what this is doing is putting users off buying HTC's devices since rival companies have announced that the users can easily unlock the bootloaders on their devices.
To support the campaign please sign the petition at http://goo.gl/uIeqv and you can like us on facebook at http://goo.gl/e1CqN and you can see updates on my blog at http://goo.gl/KdpFr
We got featured on androidspin http://goo.gl/DryCd and eurodroid http://goo.gl/4SNf8

I've just sign it every bit help the cause.
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we need way more attention to this topic...after 1.5 years with the motorola milestone I was waiting for a awesome htc device...although the sensation is inferior to the samsung galaxy s2, I would go for it..I would totally turn a blind eye on the fact that it has less ram, ridiculouse internal storage and its thickness..my only true concern was the bootloader..after the milestone I would never ever go for a device with a signed bootloader again..I would totally pass on guarantee just to have an open bootloader..

If I may interject. The point of a locked bootloader is not to sell more devices, it is to protect the intellectual property contained on said locked device from being dumped, IE full versions of otherwise payed programs that the OEM includes in their ROM(Swype etc.). If users are able to simply dump an image that contains these programs, they can then redistribute them as they see fit. Do not misread me, I am for unlocked bootloaders 100% and have used HTC devices for almost 5 years now. I just wanted to add my opinion that its not about you buying another device for an update, its about manufactures trying to protect themselves.
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Fair one
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I support!

Here goes my support
+1 support

But the dump still leaks out in the form of a ruu
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If you havent already please share
On another note its great to see that there are 133 new sigs overnight
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brilldoctor said:
If you havent already please share
On another note its great to see that there are 133 new sigs overnight
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I signed and shared the information.

Good
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We got 2k sigs!!!!! And it is now a featured groubal http://www.groubal.com/
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brilldoctor said:
We got 2k sigs!!!!! And it is now a featured groubal http://www.groubal.com/
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That's roughly €1000000/£877000/$1423000 in sold phones(when price in € is 500,which is lower than atleast here in Finland). That kind of money should have some effect?

Signed and shared

just signed.

3000+ nice

So, at what point does this get submitted to HTC??

7k sigs
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Football is on a roll lately releasing Sensation ruu, so far we have 8 ruu already in development section not including Asia ruu that would be 9 updates. It's getting very interesting indeed.
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epsix said:
Football is on a roll lately releasing Sensation ruu, so far we have 8 ruu already in development section not including Asia ruu that would be 9 updates. It's getting very interesting indeed.
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But sadly, none of these currently have an ENG H-BOOT (as far as we know )
We need that.

Unlocking worth it

I just came from sprint using the HTC evo 4G lte. I couldn't stand there slow network and all the drop calls, but I did have it s off and rooted. I basically used root for tethering and some of the different themes. I really didn't want to use the cm10 cuz you lose the featured of the camera and sense image. I just bought the HTC one X through Atnt online and notice I have firmware 1.85, so I don't know if it's worth the whole hassle of unlocking the phone especially if you can't get s off. Also I noticed Atnt is more against rooting then sprint so it might be a problem especially since I don't have insurance on the phone. Thanks for your advice.
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Yeah it's worth it to root your phone. And you better do it soon before your phone auto updates. You don't have to use a ROM like cm10, you could use a normal sense based ROM like CleanROM that will provide you with all the benefits of the stock interface plus performance enhancements.
And honestly, s off doesn't provide you with any more functionality then what you get after root. (yes I realize it can remove the relocked message, but who cares)
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It was starting to auto update already but I postponed for install for another 8 hours... So I wonder if it will automatically install or will it ask me again...
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ECEXCURSION said:
And honestly, s off doesn't provide you with any more functionality then what you get after root. (yes I realize it can remove the relocked message, but who cares)
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:what:

18th.abn said:
:what:
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From a user's standpoint, if you can already flash roms and radio who cares if you get s off? I mean, I'm sure you do since you like to tinker low level, but the op is perfectly happy not even rooting.
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ECEXCURSION said:
From a user's standpoint, if you can already flash roms and radio who cares if you get s off? I mean, I'm sure you do since you like to tinker low level, but the op is perfectly happy not even rooting.
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:what:
Lol, j/k....good point:beer:
*Whispers to ECEXCURSION* what's with these guys?

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[Q] Liquid Smooth vs Carbon ROM

I flashed over carbon as I see the devs left team liquid. I honestly do not see any difference. But I do want the most stable. Especially partial reboots during normal tasks like enabling USB mode. Anyone else have thoughts? I hope this is the right thread. If not, mods can you correct it? Thank you.
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Herc08 said:
I flashed over carbon as I see the devs left team liquid. I honestly do not see any difference. But I do want the most stable. Especially partial reboots during normal tasks like enabling USB mode. Anyone else have thoughts? I hope this is the right thread. If not, mods can you correct it? Thank you.
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4.2 in general is just way too buggy for me.
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exad said:
4.2 in general is just way too buggy for me.
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+1. And on many different devices I have tried it on too.
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exad said:
4.2 in general is just way too buggy for me.
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bkmo said:
+1. And on many different devices I have tried it on too.
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well, its still running good on my end..and i guess it depends what you are using your phone for. i do have a good battery life with carbon...althought i am using greenify and setCPU, and turning my 4G off when i am using wifi

bkmo said:
+1. And on many different devices I have tried it on too.
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Its not buggy on phones that actual have native 4.2 support, like the galaxy nexus and nexus 4
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mirGantrophy said:
Its not buggy on phones that actual have native 4.2 support, like the galaxy nexus and nexus 4
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You're making me want to buy a nexus -_- ass.

exad said:
You're making me want to buy a nexus -_- ass.
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i said the same thing to myself...that nexus 4 and 10 is looking better and better

At this point I'm waiting for the next nexus device. Hoping its made by HTC
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Well if Google follows its pattern it should be Motorola. There was HTC, Samsung, and LG. Especially since they have a share in bit.
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Well Google owns Motorola but they said they will have to bid for the nexus device the same as every other manufacturer
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area51avenger said:
Well Google owns Motorola but they said they will have to bid for the nexus device the same as every other manufacturer
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All i know for sure is, i'm gonna do my best to get my hands on the next nexus phone. They're tough to get a hold of here though. Carriers and stores don't seem to carry them so I'll probably have to order it online.
Had the evo3d before this phone and while HTC tends to have a great build quality which I love. I am just so in love with stock android and the idea of getting updates as fast as they can be released is a sexy idea indeed.

Online is always the best option. But the play store (computer) should always carry them. Especially the nexus 4. 299 for an unlocked high end device? Can't beat that with a chicken bat
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Thank You

I'm not a frequent poster. Heck, I'm still not above the necessary posts for posting in Dev forums. But I wanted to delurk and say this: thank you.
I've been on XDA for a few years now, starting with the Samsung Captivate, moving on to the HTC Inspire 4G, presently on this forum and soon the One forum. In that time I've had the opportunity to see many people, many devs and countless iterations of ROMs (some of which have followed my transit, oddly).
XDA has a lot of great people: young, old and somewhere inbetween. The devs and users alike have been great on the HTC One XL. Arguably, this is one of the best groups I've frequented.
Devs: Thanks for all the tireless, sometimes thankless work. Some of you are literally half my age and are able to do things I barely understand. Remember that for every pissant whiner, there are any number of people just like me silently going along and enjoying every bit of what you do. Sense or stock, all of you make this phone fly.
Users: You guys are great, period. Funny, helpful and great bunch overall. I've seen a lot of you support the devs with bug reports, donations and sometimes just with thanks. That is awesome. Keep it up!
So, anyway. That's all I have to say for whatever it is worth. I'll be following along with the One forums. Maybe I'll talk with some of you there if/when I finally break my lurker habits.

That's funny I also went captivate -> inspire - > one x
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The_Zodiac said:
That's funny I also went captivate -> inspire - > one x
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I went captivate, one x. Next upgrade isn't until December for me suo who knows. But my wife wants me to sell her one x and buy a smaller phone.
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I started from Aria , then inspire and now one x..
Also bought the tab 2 .. Since it was only $160 what a piece of ****
But Xda wonderful people no doubt
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I'm captivate->one x too both great phones
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HTC Desire > HTC One XL... both great phones but the lack of internal storage on the Desire was a huge frustration. All the crap you had to go through to store apps properly on SD was crazy. But the awesome devs made it happen for us.
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Just have to say thanks as well. I gained a lot if knowledge especially from exad, venomtester, and redpoint. I used that knowledge to help others on and off the forums. This community is freaking awesome. Thanks again.
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Lol i had a captivate too. Went from captivate > xperia play > nexus s > htc one x. Captivate was a great device

ahm12 said:
I started from Aria , then inspire and now one x..
Also bought the tab 2 .. Since it was only $160 what a piece of ****
But Xda wonderful people no doubt
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Aria -> One X (broken) -> Nexus 4 -> Nexus "5" -> Nexus "6" (I think you get the idea )
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mirGantrophy said:
Aria -> One X (broken) -> Nexus 4 -> Nexus "5" -> Nexus "6" (I think you get the idea )
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I'm skipping the nexus 4 but that's how my future is going to be as well. At least i have my nexus 7 for now

s1l3nt said:
I'm skipping the nexus 4 but that's how my future is going to be as well. At least i have my nexus 7 for now
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I want a tablet. Just gonna wait and see what Google I/O reveals before I buy the current n7
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THANK YOU "bkcokota" AND OTHER XDA DEVS
I am new to this forum and especially new to rooting......
upon deciding to root my HTC ONE SV 3 days ago, and failing miserably, might i add, i followed "bkcokota" guide.
at no fault of his own i tried and tried again.......gave up, then tried and tred again......rinse and repeated this several times......then said F it and
decided to research anything i could find on the web about rooting phones........upon one more try at rooting this thing i finally got it......
i at this time.........about 5 minutes ago.......realized i was a complete "noob" as ive seen this word used alot the last couple of days.
but after researching all i could realized how easy it was to do, and at how clear bkcokota's directions were........one of those "doh"
moments obviously, wanted to thank him personally as well as all the xda members who posted their findings to this site. i couldn't post to his
original thread, because of obvious reasons, so i decided to post it here. i hope it gets to him as his guide was detrimental to succeeding at my
task.
again,
THANK YOU "bkcokota" AND ALL OTHER XDA DEVS AND MEMBERS ALIKE.
PS: "[GUIDE] Root for HTC One SV UPDATED 23/02/13 - bkcokota" was the guide i followed

Lol unfortunately you're in the wrong forum dude, this is the One XL forum
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panda_mode said:
I'm captivate->one x too both great phones
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I really did love my captivate, except that I flashed roms too often and wore out the sliding battery door
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While we're at it, I'd like to say thanks. Been here since the windows sliders - G1 - incredible - HOX. I never got to tell my devs how much I appreciated their work, but now I'm trying to pass my account post limit so I'm able to do so. You are all an awesome bunch, HOX/XL devs are some of the best, for sure. Please keep it up!
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The_Zodiac said:
I really did love my captivate, except that I flashed roms too often and wore out the sliding battery door
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The Captivate has remarkable legs. I was surprised to see how much support it has after all these years. I probably would've kept it longer were it not for the SOD issue.
Incidentally, the Captivate will probably be traded in to fund the new phone.