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Android on Polaris/Orbit2

Howdee,
I'm _really_ interested in this one and over at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383695 it does not seem as if anybody would tackle the Orbit2 anytime soon...
Therefore, does anybody know how to get Android running on the Polaris/Orbit2 and or can point me into the right direction as how to create images for this device? Would anybody be interested in teaming up and putting some effort into this and try to get Andoid running on our device?

There ist already a thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385023
TDO

Also, Android will be released in the not too distant future... You might want to wait for a fully working distro for the Polaris...

gnick666 said:
Also, Android will be released in the not too distant future... You might want to wait for a fully working distro for the Polaris...
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Thanks for the update. Would you know when this will be (or where I can get info on this?)

As far as I know manufacturers plan to release Android phones before september... also Google stated that they'll release the 1.0 source when the first phone hits the market...
Also the recent demo videos show even more of the OS, and I'd say it somewhere near pre-beta or closed beta testing... and there's the second round of the ADC...
For what the day of the actual release will be no one knows... my estimation is around september-october...

gnick666 said:
As far as I know manufacturers plan to release Android phones before september... also Google stated that they'll release the 1.0 source when the first phone hits the market...
Also the recent demo videos show even more of the OS, and I'd say it somewhere near pre-beta or closed beta testing... and there's the second round of the ADC...
For what the day of the actual release will be no one knows... my estimation is around september-october...
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Thanks again! ;-)
Do you think Android will stably run on the Polaris anyways? I might be wrong here, but doesn't this depend on the SDK actually supporting the Polaris? I figure that e.g. there will be a ton of drivers missing...

The SKD and the real Android distro are and will be 2 different things.
It doesn't realy matter on which device you can port the SDK to, it'll stay the SDK and won't be a fully functional Android distro... Android will be able to run on any device that has a 200 MHz processor, 32 MB Flash memory and 32 MB RAM, and I doubt that the SDK is capeable of running whith these parameters.
So don't waste your time whith the SDK (unless you're writing apps for Android).
Also the first implemented drivers for Android are the drivers for the MSM 7200 chipset, so we can expect a boost in overall performance for a change.

gnick666 said:
The SKD and the real Android distro are and will be 2 different things.
It doesn't realy matter on which device you can port the SDK to, it'll stay the SDK and won't be a fully functional Android distro... Android will be able to run on any device that has a 200 MHz processor, 32 MB Flash memory and 32 MB RAM, and I doubt that the SDK is capeable of running whith these parameters.
So don't waste your time whith the SDK (unless you're writing apps for Android).
Also the first implemented drivers for Android are the drivers for the MSM 7200 chipset, so we can expect a boost in overall performance for a change.
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Now, this sounds great (for a change) ;-) So all we need to do is be a little patient? Too good to be true...
Where do you get all your info from btw? Is there any forum/page besides the Android page at google?

Elvez said:
Now, this sounds great (for a change) ;-) So all we need to do is be a little patient? Too good to be true...
Where do you get all your info from btw? Is there any forum/page besides the Android page at google?
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Oh, there are tons of forums, groups, pages about Android...
But here are some things for starters
http://www.helloandroid.com/node/22
http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=commit;h=e8fd56a303bf5e8f84af80999fa398eb8cc1d670
http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/
http://androidwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(mobile_phone_platform)

NICE! Thanks a lot! Will look into it!

Thanks for the info gnick!

Dual Core Question

I am just wondering. I am a huge fan of android and am using Desire HD now. But I was wondering if a dual core tablet can be installed with Windows 7? I only need the W7 just to sync with my android phone. Maybe I can install RUU or any other ROMS in the future using my tablet.

Not quite sure what your asking here... Dual Core x86 processor tablets would probably run windows 7, Dual Core Arm Processor can not as windows is x86 processor specification and Android is Arm. All android devices are compatible to the best of my knowledge with windows 7 so if your worried about getting an android tablet and not having support for it then don't worry. Other than that i hope i answered your question.

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Windows 7 can only be installed on x86 systems. Older versions of Windows NT could be installed on other CPUs like Alpha and Power PC and Windows server has a version that can run on Itanium/IA-64 but they are dropping it.
Microsoft has claimed Windows 8 will run on ARM systems so when it comes out you may be able to use it but most programs won't run it.

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Windows 7 can only be installed on x86 systems. Older versions of Windows NT could be installed on other CPUs like Alpha and Power PC and Windows server has a version that can run on Itanium/IA-64 but they are dropping it.
Microsoft has claimed Windows 8 will run on ARM systems so when it comes out you may be able to use it but most programs won't run it.
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Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.

Yes, Atom x86 CPU and Android 1.6 (last version to support x86).
Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.
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GaryHypnosis said:
Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.
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Viewsonic's Viewpad 10 uses the intel atom cpu to my knowledge. I don't know the details behind it but have read that Android 1.6 is the last version of Android that can run on x86 architecture. Maybe a dev. will be able to explain that part.
It would have made lots of sense for Google to make 2.x and up compatible with x86/x64 but I suppose there may be politics involved (imho, it can't be much else, since Linux runs on everything and Android is based almost entirely on Linux)....or maybe it would be more work or too much code needed. Since 2.2 is meant primarily for phones first, maybe they didn't see a need to bloat it up.
I wouldn't mind if Android needed a 650MB-1GB install as long as it works well.
Here's a snippet, you will be able to find more if you google it....though I can't find a reason as to why myself.

Hi,
I don't know if VS did their own work or may have used stuff from the Android X86 project:
http://www.android-x86.org/
or something similar (I think that there are other efforts like this)...
As you can see, the project is currently on 1.6, but:
http://www.android-x86.org/#What_we_are_working_on_now
says their working on Froyo:
What we are working on now
Port Froyo to x86 (froyo-x86 branch)
OpenGL hardware accelerator to froyo-x86 (olv, cwhuang)
New x86 toolchain (cwhuang)
Ethernet update (Yi)
Automount for new vold (cwhuang)
New target sparta (Doug)
New target viewpad10 (Al Sutton)
New target viliv s5 (okwon)
Mplayer porting (okwon
BTW, if you have a Windows PC, you can actually run that Android (1.6) on it. I had done that earlier, before getting my Gtab.
Jim

As one of the members pointed out, and if you check out the hands ons that have been done recently, ViewPad10 does indeed use Androidx86 project. GREAT News is, they just released Froyo-x86 (http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2) and there is a specific ISO for the ViewPad10. I actually just ordered 5 from one of my vendors (1 to keep and 4 to sell) so I am definitely going to pop that Froyo-x86 in mine and see how it whirls! I'm very excited by the prospects of a dual boot Froyo7 tablet!

Did you load the 2.2 iso onto one, and if so how well did it work? I just want to use a copy of android so I can use the apps I already bought for my phone.

Some of the latest so called 'dual-boot' tablets are actually going to be using an android virtual machine which will run within windows.
If anyone's comfortable compiling their own kernel and drivers then they stand a chance of 'rolling their own' VM otherwise unless someone with the knowhow takes up the banner for a particular device, I would consider this option out of reach.

Which tablet devices have you seen running an Android VM? I ran the 2.2 live USB on my VPad10 but it was missing wifi. Everything else seems to run great. Its fast and functional! Except the wifi. :-(
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the v10 specific iso didn't support wifi?!?!?!?

VPad and Froyo
I've picked up a VPad10 and have tried upgrading Android to 2.2 and have found that the interface buttons seemed out of place . I had a hard time moving backwards through the various pages - I had to tap the upper right corner on the bar and tap a second time in order to move back to the previous screen.
I found the interface too different from the standard to make it useful. I've since reverted back to 1.6
I had difficulty loading the Froyo (.img.gz) version. I've tried opening the gz on my Linux machine (vcersus my Windows box) and still get the same problem. Can the Froyo beta be loaded as iso image like the others, it would make my life easier?

I placed an order for the 10" gtablet the other day. This thread saved me from some dissapointment by trying to save a couple bucks.
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Meego 1.2 Released!

Meego 1.2 was just recently released. I was curious to see if I could run it on my G-Tablet and found that there is a currently a port being worked on of Meego to Tegra 2 chipset. The Meego wiki even explicitly mentions the G-Tablet relating to the Tegra 2 port. I look forward to trying Meego out even if I don't end up using it. More options is always a good thing!
Personally, I don't like using mainstream OS's and we all know how popular Android has become. Additionally, Meego also has the capability of running XBMC natively which is very cool and makes me wonder what other awesome Linux applications are possible to run on Meego. I get the impression that Meego is much closer to Linux than Android since it also runs Chromium browser. What do you think? Any input is appreciated

I too wanted to install a Linux distro. So much I bought a second g-tablet from Woot.
Unfortunately, about the same time, nVidia removed it's Linux drivers from it's download page. They say that they will return after they update them, but they have moved Linux for Tegra to the unsupported section.
Without Tegra drivers, Linux isn't really viable on the g-tablet. I hope they do release newer drivers, my second g-tablet is getting lonely from lack of use.

From my understanding Meego has a different ABI then what the L4T is compiled with. Its kind of a apples and oranges issue. The precompiled portions of L4T are not compatible with a Meego install.

Wi-Fi
Who knows how to set up Wi-Fi on Linux.
Shall describe the step by step please.

Wow, that's too bad about the Tegra support being pulled. Hopefully something gets released soon.

@slysecretspy, what you said is **way** over my head. Sounds bad tho...

Ubuntu Linux (vs. Android) for phones and tablets?

Many would prefer a real Linux running on their phones or tablets, and that might not be too far away: http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2011/11/01/ubuntu-versus-android-for-phones-and-tablets/
Now how about a Gnome or KDE desktop environment to go with it?
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Plasma is already being developed for mobile devices. Looks very promising.
Shoot me if I'm wrong, but MeeGo looks great as well.
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I support all open-source variants whether it is android, ubuntu, webos or meego
by the way, someone has tried to port ubuntu 11.04 to touchpad
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1304475

Why limit it to just one distro? What I'd like to have is the ability to run any chosen distro. This would require a bootloader that can load an arbitrary kernel, and all hardware drivers in a form that allows them to be compiled for any arbitrary kernel. This means keeping up with new releases of the kernel and new X versions. Like Nvidia does it for their Geforce graphic cards. Even better would be open-source drivers, but if the vendor keeps up, I don't mind a closed driver for a few hardware pieces.
But that's utopian thinking. And that's why (plus a few other reasons) I'll always prefer a netbook over a tablet. As for phones, with Nokia dropping Meego, I don't see any "true" Linux taking off.

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:-( the 10 post limit strikes again..
sent...ah whatever its on there now..

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Native Linux (and X)?

Hi,
Has anyone got Linux working natively on this tablet? Or at least the X Window System and/or with a working touchscreen driver?
I would really like to get Linux to run on this tab (any distro).
Thanks!

No news of any?
If only I new how to do it myself...

The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.

DigitalMD said:
The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.
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It shouldn't be that hard to get everything working (Linux, X, ALSA and mtev have been ported to the original Tab and also the S2 too, so it's possible). Alternatively, (search Novo Paladin Tablet running X in Youtube) run X on top of the Android kernel.
Why would it need to be scaled down? The internal drive could be partitioned for /etc, /usr, /var and /home use.

I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.

leodfs said:
I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.
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Oh but we are working on removing the vnc layer, check out our site for more info

why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?

DigitalMD said:
why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware

Didn't get that either. My guess is that he posted in the wrong thread.
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zacthespack said:
windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware
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Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>

I just hope you are kidding dude...
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leodfs said:
I just hope you are kidding dude...
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Kidding???????????
I posted the fact filled link from Wiki , are you kidding?
Linux is a 44 year old OS>

Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.

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Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.
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I think its hilarious , people thinking they are doing something cool and new. I was doing this stuff Unix in college in 1978

DigitalMD said:
Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>
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Linux WAS NOT developed in the 1960s, nor was it developed by Bell Labs. It does copy UNIX, however. Linus Torvalds wrote the kernel from scratch and posted it to the Minix mailinglist in the 80s (what's wrong with an old OS xD at least it is being continued).
And also, Bada and Android are based on Linux, and Windows 9x won't run because it is developed for x86 chipsets, not ARM.
Go and do your research first

No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.

Ubuntu Touch is now availible for ARM chipsets!
DigitalMD, it's not the fact we're making something new, it's the fact we're improving it, making it how we want it.

leodfs said:
No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.
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Exactly.
I'm running Linux right now, and uname -a returns:
Code:
Linux kube 3.5.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 01:50:30 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Kernel last updated 7th Feb. Dead OS? I think not.

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Oh but we are working on removing the vnc layer, check out our site for more info
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That's great. Have you seen the Nova Paladin video? It would be awesome if you could kill the UI and run the X server with mtev.

DigitalMD said:
why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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Windoze???? You've got to be kidding!!
Yes, UNIX was created by Kernighan and Ritchie (K&R) at Bell Labs (BTL) in the late 60's. Its main attributes are that it is a mujlti-user, multi-tasking and processor-independent operating system. It is transportable to different hardware simply by rewriting the underlying kernel specifics before compiling. Their group also created the C language to better handle its features, finding Fortran to be too cumbersome. In other words, it was done right from the ground up; one would be hard-pressed to devise a better OS. I perceive Ubuntu and other implementations as primarily UI applications, but I'm not a programmer.
You can find a nice history (and license plates!) at unix.org.
Linus Torvalds, as previously mentioned, ported UNIX to the IBM PC by rewriting the kernel and rather narcissistically dubbed it "Linux".
Microsoft Windows can run only on the Intel boat anchor, and is a crazy-quilt of patches over the original single-user kludge, PC-DOS. Bill Gates plastered too much lipstick on that pig long ago.