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I am just wondering. I am a huge fan of android and am using Desire HD now. But I was wondering if a dual core tablet can be installed with Windows 7? I only need the W7 just to sync with my android phone. Maybe I can install RUU or any other ROMS in the future using my tablet.
Not quite sure what your asking here... Dual Core x86 processor tablets would probably run windows 7, Dual Core Arm Processor can not as windows is x86 processor specification and Android is Arm. All android devices are compatible to the best of my knowledge with windows 7 so if your worried about getting an android tablet and not having support for it then don't worry. Other than that i hope i answered your question.
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Windows 7 can only be installed on x86 systems. Older versions of Windows NT could be installed on other CPUs like Alpha and Power PC and Windows server has a version that can run on Itanium/IA-64 but they are dropping it.
Microsoft has claimed Windows 8 will run on ARM systems so when it comes out you may be able to use it but most programs won't run it.
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Windows 7 can only be installed on x86 systems. Older versions of Windows NT could be installed on other CPUs like Alpha and Power PC and Windows server has a version that can run on Itanium/IA-64 but they are dropping it.
Microsoft has claimed Windows 8 will run on ARM systems so when it comes out you may be able to use it but most programs won't run it.
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Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.
Yes, Atom x86 CPU and Android 1.6 (last version to support x86).
Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.
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Does the dual boot Viewpad 10 use (x)86 processors? Is Android 1.6 the last or latest Android OS that can run on the (x)86 platform?
I'm just curious as to how Viewsonic gets both OS's to run on viewpad 10 platform, so this looks like a good place to ask about that.
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Viewsonic's Viewpad 10 uses the intel atom cpu to my knowledge. I don't know the details behind it but have read that Android 1.6 is the last version of Android that can run on x86 architecture. Maybe a dev. will be able to explain that part.
It would have made lots of sense for Google to make 2.x and up compatible with x86/x64 but I suppose there may be politics involved (imho, it can't be much else, since Linux runs on everything and Android is based almost entirely on Linux)....or maybe it would be more work or too much code needed. Since 2.2 is meant primarily for phones first, maybe they didn't see a need to bloat it up.
I wouldn't mind if Android needed a 650MB-1GB install as long as it works well.
Here's a snippet, you will be able to find more if you google it....though I can't find a reason as to why myself.
Hi,
I don't know if VS did their own work or may have used stuff from the Android X86 project:
http://www.android-x86.org/
or something similar (I think that there are other efforts like this)...
As you can see, the project is currently on 1.6, but:
http://www.android-x86.org/#What_we_are_working_on_now
says their working on Froyo:
What we are working on now
Port Froyo to x86 (froyo-x86 branch)
OpenGL hardware accelerator to froyo-x86 (olv, cwhuang)
New x86 toolchain (cwhuang)
Ethernet update (Yi)
Automount for new vold (cwhuang)
New target sparta (Doug)
New target viewpad10 (Al Sutton)
New target viliv s5 (okwon)
Mplayer porting (okwon
BTW, if you have a Windows PC, you can actually run that Android (1.6) on it. I had done that earlier, before getting my Gtab.
Jim
As one of the members pointed out, and if you check out the hands ons that have been done recently, ViewPad10 does indeed use Androidx86 project. GREAT News is, they just released Froyo-x86 (http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2) and there is a specific ISO for the ViewPad10. I actually just ordered 5 from one of my vendors (1 to keep and 4 to sell) so I am definitely going to pop that Froyo-x86 in mine and see how it whirls! I'm very excited by the prospects of a dual boot Froyo7 tablet!
Did you load the 2.2 iso onto one, and if so how well did it work? I just want to use a copy of android so I can use the apps I already bought for my phone.
Some of the latest so called 'dual-boot' tablets are actually going to be using an android virtual machine which will run within windows.
If anyone's comfortable compiling their own kernel and drivers then they stand a chance of 'rolling their own' VM otherwise unless someone with the knowhow takes up the banner for a particular device, I would consider this option out of reach.
Which tablet devices have you seen running an Android VM? I ran the 2.2 live USB on my VPad10 but it was missing wifi. Everything else seems to run great. Its fast and functional! Except the wifi. :-(
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the v10 specific iso didn't support wifi?!?!?!?
VPad and Froyo
I've picked up a VPad10 and have tried upgrading Android to 2.2 and have found that the interface buttons seemed out of place . I had a hard time moving backwards through the various pages - I had to tap the upper right corner on the bar and tap a second time in order to move back to the previous screen.
I found the interface too different from the standard to make it useful. I've since reverted back to 1.6
I had difficulty loading the Froyo (.img.gz) version. I've tried opening the gz on my Linux machine (vcersus my Windows box) and still get the same problem. Can the Froyo beta be loaded as iso image like the others, it would make my life easier?
I placed an order for the 10" gtablet the other day. This thread saved me from some dissapointment by trying to save a couple bucks.
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Meego 1.2 was just recently released. I was curious to see if I could run it on my G-Tablet and found that there is a currently a port being worked on of Meego to Tegra 2 chipset. The Meego wiki even explicitly mentions the G-Tablet relating to the Tegra 2 port. I look forward to trying Meego out even if I don't end up using it. More options is always a good thing!
Personally, I don't like using mainstream OS's and we all know how popular Android has become. Additionally, Meego also has the capability of running XBMC natively which is very cool and makes me wonder what other awesome Linux applications are possible to run on Meego. I get the impression that Meego is much closer to Linux than Android since it also runs Chromium browser. What do you think? Any input is appreciated
I too wanted to install a Linux distro. So much I bought a second g-tablet from Woot.
Unfortunately, about the same time, nVidia removed it's Linux drivers from it's download page. They say that they will return after they update them, but they have moved Linux for Tegra to the unsupported section.
Without Tegra drivers, Linux isn't really viable on the g-tablet. I hope they do release newer drivers, my second g-tablet is getting lonely from lack of use.
From my understanding Meego has a different ABI then what the L4T is compiled with. Its kind of a apples and oranges issue. The precompiled portions of L4T are not compatible with a Meego install.
Wi-Fi
Who knows how to set up Wi-Fi on Linux.
Shall describe the step by step please.
Wow, that's too bad about the Tegra support being pulled. Hopefully something gets released soon.
@slysecretspy, what you said is **way** over my head. Sounds bad tho...
I'm juggling with this idea for a little down the road but when I sit back and think about it, I have a hard time thinking of the benefits other than just for fun. What would be beneficial to you if you're considering dual boot for the tf700. This question is directed at android/ubuntu or android/win8 (if possible) users.
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The main benefit I see is the ability to run Linux applications that are designed for laptops/desktops. Things like full office suites, more robust browsers, photo editors etc. Would add a lot more functionality to the tablet, and also get you all the advantages that a windowed environment would provide for multitasking. You can do all that without dual boot through a chroot, but since you're sharing ram and cpu time with Android its a bit slow and tight.
Would also give you the option to try Win8 if we ever get a port, if it actually delivers on its promises (I highly doubt it) it could save some money initially over buying a tablet actually designed for the OS.
I actually don't see a point in dual booting. There are not much other applications you would be able to run on Linux or win 8 other than stock apps. This is an ARM device which is not compatible with x86/x64 apps.
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I actually don't see a point in dual booting. There are not much other applications you would be able to run on Linux or win 8 other than stock apps. This is an ARM device which is not compatible with x86/x64 apps.
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That really only applies to Win8. Since Linux and most of its software is open source, applications can generally be compiled to run on (or existing packages found for) any CPU type so long as its physically fast enough to handle it. The only catagroy I can see lacking on the Linux side would be heavily optimimized or 3D accelerated games, which there arent very many of in the first place.
Is it theoretically possible for me to install gentoo on my tablet?
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That really only applies to Win8. Since Linux and most of its software is open source, applications can generally be compiled to run on (or existing packages found for) any CPU type so long as its physically fast enough to handle it. The only catagroy I can see lacking on the Linux side would be heavily optimimized or 3D accelerated games, which there arent very many of in the first place.
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I thought some Windows 8 devices were to work on Tegra 3 devices? That could mean that over time, Windows 8 could get ported, right?
Not that I care, I -myself- prefer a touch-based OS for a touch-based device.
However, I still believe the are huge possibilities to improve browsing performances on Android.
Actually, being able to dual boot is very nice if you're into flashing different roms (flashaholic). It lets you have a stable go to rom. Then you can have that experimental rom to try out that may not all things thing functional or so forth.
I use Boot Manager on my HTC Evo 4G, which lets you have multiple roms on your phone; it runs them off your SDHC card. I have a stable Sense rom on the phone. Then I have, usually two, other roms on the SDHC card, such as CM7 and CM9.
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Is it theoretically possible for me to install gentoo on my tablet?
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Theoretically, it would be possible. They got Ubuntu on the Prime, so I dont see why other variants of Linux couldn't be made to work.
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I thought some Windows 8 devices were to work on Tegra 3 devices? That could mean that over time, Windows 8 could get ported, right?
Not that I care, I -myself- prefer a touch-based OS for a touch-based device.
However, I still believe the are huge possibilities to improve browsing performances on Android.
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Not quite... Win8 is only for x86 CPUs. WinRT will be made to run on Tegra 3 and has a chance of getting ported, but it wont run any Win8 desktop software, and is completely locked down iOS style so if you wanted to add any additional software without going through an app store (or period for the Desktop) you'll have to root/jailbreak.
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Actually, being able to dual boot is very nice if you're into flashing different roms (flashaholic). It lets you have a stable go to rom. Then you can have that experimental rom to try out that may not all things thing functional or so forth.
I use Boot Manager on my HTC Evo 4G, which lets you have multiple roms on your phone; it runs them off your SDHC card. I have a stable Sense rom on the phone. Then I have, usually two, other roms on the SDHC card, such as CM7 and CM9.
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This right here is the only reason I would ever dual boot. I love having a unstable cool new JB ROM but hate losing my daily driver ROM.
I'd love to dual boot (or emulate). Using Ubuntu/Win8 would massively enhance my productivity.
Hi,
Has anyone got Linux working natively on this tablet? Or at least the X Window System and/or with a working touchscreen driver?
I would really like to get Linux to run on this tab (any distro).
Thanks!
No news of any?
If only I new how to do it myself...
The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.
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The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.
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It shouldn't be that hard to get everything working (Linux, X, ALSA and mtev have been ported to the original Tab and also the S2 too, so it's possible). Alternatively, (search Novo Paladin Tablet running X in Youtube) run X on top of the Android kernel.
Why would it need to be scaled down? The internal drive could be partitioned for /etc, /usr, /var and /home use.
I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.
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I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.
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Oh but we are working on removing the vnc layer, check out our site for more info
why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware
Didn't get that either. My guess is that he posted in the wrong thread.
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windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware
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Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>
I just hope you are kidding dude...
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I just hope you are kidding dude...
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Kidding???????????
I posted the fact filled link from Wiki , are you kidding?
Linux is a 44 year old OS>
Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.
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Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.
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I think its hilarious , people thinking they are doing something cool and new. I was doing this stuff Unix in college in 1978
DigitalMD said:
Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>
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Linux WAS NOT developed in the 1960s, nor was it developed by Bell Labs. It does copy UNIX, however. Linus Torvalds wrote the kernel from scratch and posted it to the Minix mailinglist in the 80s (what's wrong with an old OS xD at least it is being continued).
And also, Bada and Android are based on Linux, and Windows 9x won't run because it is developed for x86 chipsets, not ARM.
Go and do your research first
No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.
Ubuntu Touch is now availible for ARM chipsets!
DigitalMD, it's not the fact we're making something new, it's the fact we're improving it, making it how we want it.
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No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.
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Exactly.
I'm running Linux right now, and uname -a returns:
Code:
Linux kube 3.5.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 01:50:30 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Kernel last updated 7th Feb. Dead OS? I think not.
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That's great. Have you seen the Nova Paladin video? It would be awesome if you could kill the UI and run the X server with mtev.
DigitalMD said:
why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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Windoze???? You've got to be kidding!!
Yes, UNIX was created by Kernighan and Ritchie (K&R) at Bell Labs (BTL) in the late 60's. Its main attributes are that it is a mujlti-user, multi-tasking and processor-independent operating system. It is transportable to different hardware simply by rewriting the underlying kernel specifics before compiling. Their group also created the C language to better handle its features, finding Fortran to be too cumbersome. In other words, it was done right from the ground up; one would be hard-pressed to devise a better OS. I perceive Ubuntu and other implementations as primarily UI applications, but I'm not a programmer.
You can find a nice history (and license plates!) at unix.org.
Linus Torvalds, as previously mentioned, ported UNIX to the IBM PC by rewriting the kernel and rather narcissistically dubbed it "Linux".
Microsoft Windows can run only on the Intel boat anchor, and is a crazy-quilt of patches over the original single-user kludge, PC-DOS. Bill Gates plastered too much lipstick on that pig long ago.
I am a beginner on this page. I am writing this to backup the other developers on this form. A lot of people who has been going around on the surface forum repeating over and over fat some functions will never work. I've been around modding phones since when Windows Mobile 3 came out back when I was in middle school. I remember when Windows Mobile came out a website called geekstoolbox.com whats the phone for many modders to build custom firmware for Windows Phones. I remembered and middle school it was difficult to make certain improvements because Windows Mobile phones were close systems. I remember then listen to visit on the forum who actually broken too the phone am I allowed a dump of data to flow in Internet of his phone start new custom ROM custom firmware revolution to begin. Afterwards, I begin saying revolutionary products such as wifi tether, Bluetooth tethering, Mobile sharing, and in custom OS. to those web visiting thi about s forum repeating over and over and over, that there would be no Windows based x86 programs on when does RT we'll be eating crow when it finally does happen within the next few months. I see it being possible when you consider if someone will, compile a virtual machine enabling many features of Windows 8 x86. Furthermore, suppose it becomes like parallels Macintosh. In addition, maybe someone will develop 8 translator package for Windows 82 windows Rt to understand each other's programs. all that I am saying is please do not be downers and out other people expressions about this tablet and is always
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I meant to end by saying, please do not doubt other people's expressions about this templates capabilities in with the wish to see on this tablet because the possibilities are there and if someone desires it enough it will come to fruition.
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There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.
See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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They use virtual machines, but they're slow to the point of complete uselessness. It takes half an hour to boot XP in them.
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I meant to end by saying, please do not doubt other people's expressions about this templates capabilities in with the wish to see on this tablet because the possibilities are there and if someone desires it enough it will come to fruition.
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Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
schettj said:
Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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Wine on x86 linux isn't emulating the CPU. This is a critical difference.
schettj said:
Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.
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I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
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d'oh! flip flopping between windows phone 8 and windows RT Yep, 4 arm cores. Still like trying to emulate a V8 with an inline4.
netham45 said:
I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.
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Instead of emulating an entire OS, would anyone entertain the idea of a program translator; A program could be build with the libraries of some main OS'es. Within the translator, when an x86 program is called the programs determines what operating systems' library to use. The translator would then render a version of the program Windows with RT can understand.
Couldn't this be likely.
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There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.
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I believe I no what the issue with these are.......... Bochs and DosBox do not allow users to control processing cores for each emulation. These emulators need to be updated to take advantage of this feature, it's a blessing for other OS'es
There's already a translator project much like what you describe, actually. It's early alpha quality right now, only able to run a few apps and those slowly and with stability problems, but it's a very promising proof of concept. The developer is using the DOSBox dynamic recompilation engine, optimized for THUMB-2 (ARM variant that Windows uses) with some hacks in it to remove support for stuff that only the kernel has to care about like page tables and whatnot (these hacks apparently substantially increase speed). The recompilation engine is not currently thread-safe, which means it has to run on a single core (although it's possible that the translated program itself might be able to run across multiple cores; I don't know for sure) but the possibility of fixing that is being investigated.
The project is on the Dev&Hacking sub-forum, and there's a download link for it and a (mostly playable) demo of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 as an example of what it can currently do.
Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural
befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural
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Currently this is the porting method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096820&highlight=arm
Requires visual studio to cross compile from a desktop windows machine.