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As the thread title says it but lets do little background on why I am getting the MT4G. I just lost my beloved HD2 few days ago and the prick who found it decided to keep it for himself. I hope the karma gets the mofo as I am sure the prick lost some money at the Casino. Who knows maybe kid saw that as sign from god LOL as he wanted him to have it for all his loss that night, lets move on...
If I didn't lose the HD2 I would have never even thought about upgrading my phone unless there was another revolutionary device in the market with spec lets say dual core mobile processor. As HD2 with my custom tweak did hold its own with silly Evo fanboys and got beat down many times lol when they came up to me.
But I can't also ignore the quadrant benchmarks for MT4G against Evo 4G, Vibrant, Nexus S. As the MSM8255 CPU and Adreno 205 GPU blows away the Snapdragon(1st gen)/Hummingbird CPU and Adreno 200/SGX 540 GPU. Also head to head with Epic/G2 this owns it in terms of speed also. But the only thing I am disappointed at is that even now there are no decent GSM based phone following the full HD2 4.3" standard (HD2 had it first so F the Evo fanboys), guess we will have to see if bigger is better. Also it has no FM radio, but I can live with that as I don't listen to radio.
PS: MT4G is selling for $350 ATM and pricks are also asking $300-350 for HD2 so ill let it R.I.P. as I am not welling to pay that price for HD2 when I can get MT4G. I mean I had my for over 10-11months and paid $750 for the Leo1024 (TMoUS Unlocked) model before it even came out in USA.
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I just got mine yesterday, coming over from a Vibrant
I have the "washed out" screen....but as I don't really look at the thing from a 20 degree angle much, I really don't care..looks ok.
The screen isn't the hardest thing to get used to...its lack of capacitive buttons
holy crap, it's almost single handedly made me consider going back..but the phone is just way better

btw, MT4G does indeed have built in FM radio

hydrogenman said:
I just got mine yesterday, coming over from a Vibrant
I have the "washed out" screen....but as I don't really look at the thing from a 20 degree angle much, I really don't care..looks ok.
The screen isn't the hardest thing to get used to...its lack of capacitive buttons
holy crap, it's almost single handedly made me consider going back..but the phone is just way better
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Trust me the display now confirmed from SONY is way better than the one from SHARP. People say oh I don't look at my phone in 20 deg angles and that is true. We only do that in testing to magnify the results. It is very common to look at the display at smaller angles and while your eyes may be trained to your display you will be blown away if you get a new one with a good display. The colors are more vibrant even face on.
Do yourself a favor read through my thread and see all the comments from others who have thought the same way. Try to get a good one. I would ask for one made in China as they have been having a better ratio of good screens.

Well I am also aware of the washed out and ffc problem. But I refuse to walk in TMo store if I do order it online I doubt CS rep can verify it as they just take order and another dep just ships the item, then again I could be wrong. Now my question is when I do get it how do I verify that its washed out screen? I mean I have nothing to compare it against or is it so bad that I will know?
PS: My bad maybe I was confusing G2 with MT4G about the FM radio, as I went in for G2 but the flimzy hardware keyboard people claimed had problems so I went with the 2nd HSPA+ device currently from TMo.

HyperNode said:
Well I am also aware of the washed out and ffc problem. But I refuse to walk in TMo store if I do order it online I doubt CS rep can verify it as they just take order and another dep just ships the item, then again I could be wrong. Now my question is when I do get it how do I verify that its washed out screen? I mean I have nothing to compare it against or is it so bad that I will know?
PS: My bad maybe I was confusing G2 with MT4G about the FM radio, as I went in for G2 but the flimzy hardware keyboard people claimed had problems so I went with the 2nd HSPA+ device currently from TMo.
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You can verify your screen with using this thread with pictures and videos posted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863679
As for changing your device at a local T-Mobile store I have heard of people doing it, so I wouldn't rule this out.

To be honest I returned my phone twice because of the screen and did it completely through the tmobile online chat. Didn't have to goto a store or call or anything. super easy.

bobsbbq said:
As for changing your device at a local T-Mobile store I have heard of people doing it, so I wouldn't rule this out.
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Just went to the TMO store and asked to check newer MT4Gs to see if they could provide me with a satisfactory replacement.
"They're sealed, so we can't open them," the rep told me. "But you can check out our display model."
The display model (a white MT4G) had the same bad screen and *wayyy* off-center FFC.
"That looks just like yours," he said.
I asked how long this live model had been on display, "since the phone first came out," he said.
After a few minutes he eventually said, "oh, yeah, you can exchange it,"--which is exactly what I was looking for, "but you need your original receipt, because we don't store receipts electronically."
So I'll try the TMO store near my house later today...and I'll bring my original receipt, even though I have a damned strong suspicion that he was lying about not having receipt records on the TMO computer system.
I just unrooted my phone so I'm not turning back now, I'm going to get one with a superior screen before I re-root!

OK, so I hopped onto the TMO online chat support.
I explained the issue and they said I should go to a local TMO store.
I explained that I did that but they were unwilling to compare it to a new MT4G.
So online they said we could troubleshoot.
I asked if their "troubleshooting" had been proven to resolve the screen problem.
They said it's not a known issue and didn't know if it would help.
I provided links to HTC and T-Mobile official message boards. "Here's a 19-page thread about this problem."
They said they're unable to look at links.
They then said I could not exchange it at a store because the remorse period was over.
Whatever...so I go with their "troubleshooting," which was solely to do a master reset.
"Did that resolve the issue?" they asked.
"Nope, the problem remains," I said.
"OK, we'll process an exchange." "But there will be a $9.99 shipping charge."
...and that charge is whether or not the exchanged phone actually resolves the problem.
So all that nonsense...and now I'm going to hit up another local TMO shop to try and resolve this without costing me more.
UPDATE: I just called another local store, explained the situation and they said they'll gladly exchange it as long as it doesn't have physical damage or water damage. Woo-hoo!

thepza said:
Just went to the TMO store and asked to check newer MT4Gs to see if they could provide me with a satisfactory replacement.
"They're sealed, so we can't open them," the rep told me. "But you can check out our display model."
The display model (a white MT4G) had the same bad screen and *wayyy* off-center FFC.
"That looks just like yours," he said.
I asked how long this live model had been on display, "since the phone first came out," he said.
After a few minutes he eventually said, "oh, yeah, you can exchange it,"--which is exactly what I was looking for, "but you need your original receipt, because we don't store receipts electronically."
So I'll try the TMO store near my house later today...and I'll bring my original receipt, even though I have a damned strong suspicion that he was lying about not having receipt records on the TMO computer system.
I just unrooted my phone so I'm not turning back now, I'm going to get one with a superior screen before I re-root!
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Yes he was lying about not storing the receipt. The tmobile store I go to I know the employees very well. I exchanged my mt4g for another one because of some problems. Well I didn't have the original receipt so the rep went through all the transactions on my account (ive bought many phones and had to replace some) so there were alot but he just had to find it. Luckily for me I know him so it wasnt a problem for him. But yea that rep was just lazy
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Just tried the New Sprint Echo - Don't Bother.

Wow, complete fail. I knew I had my doubts about anything made by Kyocera, but I was not prepared for utter cheapness and ugliness of this device. And the screen quality - don't get me started. I felt like I was looking at a Blackberry from 2005.
The dual screen concept is nice and probably will be improved over time. But this first trip out of the barn really is a mule with a broken leg and a bad case of the mange.
If you were tempted to use your EVO trade-up for this device, save your time and money and wait for the EVO 3D.

Right now the only Android MFR's to consider are Motorola and HTC IMHO. Didn't think this device was worth anything anyway
Well OK you can add Samsung to this list

I was looking at this phone when I realized my 2 year was up on April 1st. It seemed interesting but I just knew there wouldn't be any app support for it. I have read a few reviews saying that the hinge, although goofy, is surprisingly strong.
I was going to just wait until the Evo 3D came out and not even get the Evo, but I caved. In a way I'm glad I did though, I have it all rooted and installed C7 on it with Tiamat 3.5.7. I used these forums to customize my hero as well.

Probably sucks now but if Samsung tries it with dual super amoled then it will be great since they are best company at hardware wise when it comes to phones but not software but that is y xda is here
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Jasonhunterx said:
Probably sucks now but if Samsung tries it with dual super amoled then it will be great since they are best company at hardware wise when it comes to phones but not software but that is y xda is here
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Dual screen cellphones are a great idea. I personally feel they may be the wave of the future just like multimonitor computer setups are so popular now. However, this phone is little more than proof of concept. Sprint will take a bath on this.
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Thanks for confirming what I already suspected. I have not had a chance to handle one yet, but the looks alone told me it was gonna be el cheapo. Kind of a shame really. The concept is pretty cool. I don't think it's going to last because of the introduction of flexible LED displays in the near future. Much better if you don't have to have a seam in the middle of your display!

Op, maybe you can complain enough to get the phone removed. You seem to be good at that...

nohbdyshero said:
Right now the only Android MFR's to consider are Motorola and HTC IMHO. Didn't think this device was worth anything anyway
Well OK you can add Samsung to this list
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Don't you mean HTC and Samsung? I don't think you'll find a whole lot of love for the Moto phones here on XDA with the encrypted bootloaders and all.

OneStepAhead said:
Don't you mean HTC and Samsung? I don't think you'll find a whole lot of love for the Moto phones here on XDA with the encrypted bootloaders and all.
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I know some people like the Moto's but I forgot about Samsung and them at the last minute. I'm just glad I didn't forget all together I would have been flammed all over the place

I demo'd this phone in store today, also. Sprint tech was "watching TV" on it at the front counter. Played with it for five minutes:
Hinge has an addicting snap sound to it, as is the whole process of folding/unfolding the phone. Even having a 1GHz Snapdragon, the phone was still laggy (opening apps, scrolling through the drawer). As we all figured, besides the Sprint bloatware, this phone is pretty much AOSP--I don't believe Kyocera ever threw in their own frontend.
Rep was running Sprint TV for roughly twenty minutes, and battery was already down to 78%! Battery percentage indicator is stock, at least. LOL! Kyocera has thrown in an extra battery in the package for a reason.
Screens by themselves are SMALL! We know the specs, but looking at the screen IRL leaves MUCH to be desired. All in all, it's a novelty, at best. You're not getting anything practical out of a dual screen phone unless you ABSOLUTELY need to shave MILLISECONDS off of your time. This phone is a miss for me, which sucks, because I was looking forward to it because my phone upgrade is due in July. EVO 3D, here I come.

My oldest son was buying his finacee an evo while my youngest son and I played the echo...I asked the manager how many they have sold and he said no a one...That was 1:34 pm today.
Within 3 minutes of playing with the echo I was blah....
Picture of my son playing with the echo today.
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Critical battery, guess it's been 2 hours, time to change to the other battery :/...

I bought one yesterday to replace my EVO which I have had since launch and had the extended battery for.
I just cannot understand where all the hate for this phone comes from. With the screens open it is nearly tablet sized. I call this phone more of a "tablet crossover", where it does great as a phone and then when needed gives you a ton of room to work on things in near tablet size.
The phone is also pretty small, but thick. Feels good in hand and in pocket and very well built.
Battery life yesterday was fine mostly connected to wifi. Today will be my first day out and about with it.
It has been buttery smooth for me, no stutters or lags. I've already become used to the small black space between the screens and don't even notice it. Not sure on the comment about the screen quality, both displays are superb in my opinion.
Sure, the phone is different than anything we have seen before. So far it has exceeded my expectations and I don't miss the Evo at all. Can't tell you how nice it is to flip the screens together to get some work done and have all the extra space.

A couple other thoughts -
I have mostly used it with apps full screen in tablet mode, and it has worked beautifully for nearly everything I have tried, including apps like Pulse reader.
Simultask works well also, although I haven't found myself using it that much. Was cool when I saw some mails coming in and I was browsing the web, I brought the mail client into one of the screens and continued to browse as I was reviewing mail. Also it's great how the mail client uses both screens to list mail on one screen and review on another.
Camera app is awesome with how it uses both screens.
Pretty much vanilla android 2.2 all the way around. Very nice in that regard.

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DomSim said:
Op, maybe you can complain enough to get the phone removed. You seem to be good at that...
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Actually, I am good at helping people. Perhaps that is why I have 420 thank-you's compared to your 23. If you spent less time attacking me and more time learning enough about Android where you could assist others, maybe you won't look so foolish by comparison next time?

mhoepfin said:
I bought one yesterday to replace my EVO which I have had since launch and had the extended battery for.
I just cannot understand where all the hate for this phone comes from. With the screens open it is nearly tablet sized. I call this phone more of a "tablet crossover", where it does great as a phone and then when needed gives you a ton of room to work on things in near tablet size.
The phone is also pretty small, but thick. Feels good in hand and in pocket and very well built.
Battery life yesterday was fine mostly connected to wifi. Today will be my first day out and about with it.
It has been buttery smooth for me, no stutters or lags. I've already become used to the small black space between the screens and don't even notice it. Not sure on the comment about the screen quality, both displays are superb in my opinion.
Sure, the phone is different than anything we have seen before. So far it has exceeded my expectations and I don't miss the Evo at all. Can't tell you how nice it is to flip the screens together to get some work done and have all the extra space.
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As with any phone, it is a matter of taste. For those who are more into utility and care less about aesthetics, this phone is probably fine. However, I am surprised you don't notice that the image quality on the screen is far inferior to the EVO? Like I said, I am a big fan of THIS IDEA, I'm just not a fan of this phone. Seems more like a proof-of-concept than a finished product.
Glad you like your Echo

Jasonhunterx said:
Probably sucks now but if Samsung tries it with dual super amoled then it will be great since they are best company at hardware wise when it comes to phones but not software but that is y xda is here
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totally agree....... +1

DomSim said:
Op, maybe you can complain enough to get the phone removed. You seem to be good at that...
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Oh ****! Hahahahaha
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Not surprising one bit. This was the last time I ever purchased anything from Kyocera. The lens cover decide to close when you turn the power ON and open when you turn the power OFF...after 2wks of pampering.

[Q] I get my Infuse tomorrow!

So, after dealing with the samsung captivate (until it broke) and using my backup phone (lg quantum) until my buttons are losing functionality, I decided it was time to upgrade. I was going to get the atrix at first, but then I read the forums and people were like, "hissssssssssss, Atrix!" so I went to the Inspire, which I planned on getting until the lady at the AT&T store told me I should only have to charge it twice a day.
Only.
So here I am again! purchasing a samsung device I swore I would never buy again. After reading some reviews and threads on this forum, I must say it seems like a fairly solid device! Can anybody give me any advice on what to expect when my new phone comes? What threads are really relevant to a new Infuse owner?
Thank you in advance, I always trust XDA!
Also... the case I'm getting for it http://www.amazon.com/Case-Mate-CM0..._1_5?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1314913318&sr=1-5
Because I want my phone to look like a storm trooper >

I love my Infuse. 100000000% better than the Inspire. The battery is great however I ordered the extended battery and it's amazing with that. Solid device for sure. Only issue is the stock browser so I froze it and use Dolphin which is awesome and fixed the problem.

shiftylock said:
So, after dealing with the samsung captivate (until it broke) and using my backup phone (lg quantum) until my buttons are losing functionality, I decided it was time to upgrade. I was going to get the atrix at first, but then I read the forums and people were like, "hissssssssssss, Atrix!" so I went to the Inspire, which I planned on getting until the lady at the AT&T store told me I should only have to charge it twice a day.
Only.
So here I am again! purchasing a samsung device I swore I would never buy again. After reading some reviews and threads on this forum, I must say it seems like a fairly solid device! Can anybody give me any advice on what to expect when my new phone comes? What threads are really relevant to a new Infuse owner?
Thank you in advance, I always trust XDA!
Also... the case I'm getting for it http://www.amazon.com/Case-Mate-CM0..._1_5?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1314913318&sr=1-5
Because I want my phone to look like a storm trooper >
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Funny looking case, almost iPhone-ish LOL
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With the exception of GPS, all is well.
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sumeet909 said:
With the exception of GPS, all is well.
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No, the GPS is fine, your just expecting too much.
You must be one of the "2 or 3" people with GPS complaints.
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I have that same case in grey but I couldn't keep it on. The phone is just too beautiful and slim to cover up in a case that thick.
Sent from my Infuse running Serendipity VII beautifully.

hmm... see, I would like to not use the case, but also with my captivate the back of it would get scratched if I didn't have a case on it, and it looks like the same back cover as the captivate... hmmm.... but still, if it makes my phone look like an iphone I'll just not use it.
I wouldn't want to look like I forgot to get the bigger GB's.
It's really great to hear good stories about this phone. I usually use dolphin browser anyway, so meh. Is rooting/flashing the same process as the captivate? I would assume since they're pretty similar phones...

I agree it needs something to protect the camera lens but I am looking for something more slim. For now it stays in my pocket or in my hands.
Rooting processes differ slightly from what I understand but once you're rooted, loading custom ROMS is pretty much the same. I never had a captivate but I did have a n1 for a while. The only real difference is the number of ROMS available for the infuse so far.
Sent from my Serendipity infused Infuse.

Oh and in no way does this phone even resemble an iPhone... case or no case. The screen is the dead giveaway. LOL.
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So, gps is an issue with the infuse?

Gratz on the Infuse, ugh why that case >< You gotta get the Seidio Surface Case! Looks way sessier then any other case!
Make sure the first thing you do is root and add the Infused v2.1 ROM man, outside the box the phone kinda blows ><
Edit: And believe me their is nothing wrong with the Atrix! That phone is a beast for gaming, just everything looks so much better on this 4.5" Super AMOLED+ screen

Eddie Bombay said:
Gratz on the Infuse, ugh why that case >< You gotta get the Seidio Surface Case! Looks way sessier then any other case!
Make sure the first thing you do is root and add the Infused v2.1 ROM man, outside the box the phone kinda blows ><
Edit: And believe me their is nothing wrong with the Atrix! That phone is a beast for gaming, just everything looks so much better on this 4.5" Super AMOLED+ screen
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*face/palm* if only I scrolled down before ordering! ahhh! at least the case will protect it. I mean I doubt my phone will still be as thick as an evo lol.
But yeah I heard the atrix had a ton of problems, plus the whole bootloader thing... meh, motorola lost me at after my RAZR.
So I'm going to put that Infused ROM on there the day after I get it. (or the same day, depending on how long I can stand being on stock.)
Does anybody use juicedefender with this phone? I could get a cool 2 days out of my cappy with that app running.

Yeah you gotta be crazy NOT to use Juice Defender.
This is what I get on average with Juice Defender.
Around x1.68 to x1.78
Seems most people who cry about the Atrix don't even really own one and those who do never really gave it a chance. Once you mod that phone up it's a monster. Oh well the Infuse is a beast w/ that 4.5" screen hands down.

Eddie Bombay said:
Yeah you gotta be crazy NOT to use Juice Defender.
This is what I get on average with Juice Defender.
Around x1.68 to x1.78
Seems most people who cry about the Atrix don't even really own one and those who do never really gave it a chance. Once you mod that phone up it's a monster. Oh well the Infuse is a beast w/ that 4.5" screen hands down.
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Wow! That looks really good! I'm now even more psyched about my Infuse!
And you're right. If for some reason I end up not liking my infuse, I'll just return it and get an atrix. the atrix is easily my second choice.

shiftylock said:
And you're right. If for some reason I end up not liking my infuse, I'll just return it and get an atrix. the atrix is easily my second choice.
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I used Atrix, and returned it under 4 days. Once u r accustomed to the screen on Captivate, the only phone u can go ahead is Infuse (as of today). I tried Inspire and Atrix, and returned for battery and for screen and Insprire even had lots of dropped calls. Atrix was better on battery, but well, that's not the only thing that counts, esp when u have a charger at home, in car, and at work

one of the worst phone in the market!

If you're expecting a large improvement over the Captivate, prepare to be disappointed.
Otherwise it's a solid but unexceptional phone.

Eddie Bombay said:
Yeah you gotta be crazy NOT to use Juice Defender.
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I did some testing, and despite TELLING me I was getting nearly double the battery life, I was actually getting worse than not having it at all.

Stock browser is complete crap compared to the one in infused rom. Stock browser lags bad, crashes and stutters viewing 480p youtube videos and stock rom will be laggy while scrolling though homepages. First thing to do when you get the phone is to flash infused 2.1.0 and infusion kernel overcklocked to 1.6ghz this phone will fly like crazy. Everything will be smooth as butter and with dozens of widgets and live wallpaper there will be no lag while moving thorough homepages. The browser will be super fast and have no lag at all and you will be able to play 1080p youtube videos without any lag. All games will have zero lag and no slowdowns. In particular i noticed on stock rom fast 5 game would stutter alot, but with infused rom it flies. This phone is much better than the crappy captivate i had half a year ago. The gps just works and tracks well. Wifi is a bit weaker than other phones, but still pretty good. The camera is one of the best out of smart phones. And finally that beautiful screen which will make everyone jealous.

Wait till you get in the car with friends and this thing flips on you. It was stormy weather few days ago and this thing decided not to lock, my buddy pulled out a 5 year old Samsung blackjack, got a 10s lock and we took off. 45 mins later, I got the lock.
If you install Copilot, your GPS will go bonkers. Unacceptable performance.
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my local Verizon's big RAZR launch

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as you can see from the enormous line, the phone is total win.
this was taken 10 minutes before they opened.
p.s. that lady just wanted a new battery for her phone and was upset that the store was still closed.

oh man.....

Heh this makes me laugh. I was pissed this morning when I had to head down to the VZW store to get a battery for a work colleague. I was expecting to have to wait forever. They had all these roped off areas with red carpet laid down and not one person standing in line.

I think with the upcoming Rezound and Galaxy Nexus, most people will wait to compare all three before making a decision. I know I will.

fillyo said:
I think with the upcoming Rezound and Galaxy Nexus, most people will wait to compare all three before making a decision. I know I will.
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we've already compared y0.
No one in their right mind is getting the RAZR, so it just comes down to the other 2.
And it's not that the Nexus is better then the Rezound(or vice versa)... just moreso which one is more suited to the individual's needs/tastes.

voxigenboy said:
we've already compared y0.
No one in their right mind is getting the RAZR, so it just comes down to the other 2.
And it's not that the Nexus is better then the Rezound(or vice versa)... just moreso which one is more suited to the individual's needs/tastes.
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Finally figured that out eh? About time you stopped pushing that one was superior over the other.

Noob Question
I'm sorry that I don't get this Moto bashing. Sure the first gen Razrs were well, not all that great, but they did their jobs well. Hey they were the most phones sold worldwide.
Either way, the new one looks pretty decent, what's the bad about it? The specs were not all that bad, from what I saw, so why the hate?

tazz5150 said:
I'm sorry that I don't get this Moto bashing. Sure the first gen Razrs were well, not all that great, but they did their jobs well. Hey they were the most phones sold worldwide.
Either way, the new one looks pretty decent, what's the bad about it? The specs were not all that bad, from what I saw, so why the hate?
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Nice phone except for the locked and encrypted bootloader, and the non-removable battery. Have fun with your Moto iPhone.

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tazz5150 said:
I'm sorry that I don't get this Moto bashing. Sure the first gen Razrs were well, not all that great, but they did their jobs well. Hey they were the most phones sold worldwide.
Either way, the new one looks pretty decent, what's the bad about it? The specs were not all that bad, from what I saw, so why the hate?
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the screen is horrible compared to the rezound and galaxy nexus. Non-removable battery is another potential problem. The phone is very wide and doesn't feel comfortable in the hand at all.
Just came back from best buy looking to play with the rezound, razr and kindle fire.
1. Razr battery was dead, was locked up in a cabinet instead of on display. Got to hold it but wouldn't stay on.
2. Only 1 Rezound in stock and none on display, asked why, they said they haven't really set up for it.
3. Fire hadn't even arrived yet to be put on display.
Total fail by best buy. Best Buy, The Borders of 2012.

nrfitchett4 said:
the screen is horrible compared to the rezound and galaxy nexus. Non-removable battery is another potential problem. The phone is very wide and doesn't feel comfortable in the hand at all.
Just came back from best buy looking to play with the rezound, razr and kindle fire.
1. Razr battery was dead, was locked up in a cabinet instead of on display. Got to hold it but wouldn't stay on.
2. Only 1 Rezound in stock and none on display, asked why, they said they haven't really set up for it.
3. Fire hadn't even arrived yet to be put on display.
Total fail by best buy. Best Buy, The Borders of 2012.
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heh.. the Best Buy Mobile in the mall here had 'dummy' RAZR & Rezound phones on display. They said they have Rezounds in stock, but have yet to receive any RAZR's.

reminds me of when the hd7 launched on t-mobile. Had to go to 3 stores to find one that even had a demo unit. None of them had set up for it on launch day. Sad that carriers don't get it. If you advertise the phone, it will sell.

Yeah I don't particularly care for the RAZR (or any Motorola products). That being said, I got to play with the RAZR and it was okay. The screen sounds bad on paper, but in person, its not the end of the world. Screen was passable, still totally usable. My store actually sold just 1 RAZR, but it was a more of a swap than a return. Haha.
But then I got to play with the Galaxy Nexus and that screen was muchhhh nicer. ICS was all flashy, and to be quite honest, a bit confusing, but I guess that's expected since a lot has changed.
Also played with the Rezound and I very much liked that phone. Screen was also beautiful, and still quality HTC build materials.
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reminds me of when the hd7 launched on t-mobile. Had to go to 3 stores to find one that even had a demo unit. None of them had set up for it on launch day. Sad that carriers don't get it. If you advertise the phone, it will sell.
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The first T-Mobile store that I went to had a live demo sitting behind the counter. I got to play with it while they activated my HD7. This was a week before the actual release day too. But yes, I agree, having phones out helps to sell them.

I entered the 11/11/11 sweepstakes on Verizon's Twitter and i won a free Droid Razr, nice! I will be giving it to my wife maybe of she performs ( insert lude sex act here ) for a ( insert a crazy lenght of time here ) I wish it came a few days back I mean come on I just bought her a phone off ebay for 100 bucks.
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Charge vs Bionic?

I have a guy that is selling his Bionic for $200. If I could sell my Charge for $150 and fork the other $50 with it for the Bionic, would it be worth it? I only paid $10 for my Charge about a month ago. I really like the fact that it has dual cores and has a few ICS roms out for it. I got to play around with ICS on my old Epic 4G before I sold it, and all I can say is WOW! I definitely want ICS now.

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I have a guy that is selling his Bionic for $200. If I could sell my Charge for $150 and fork the other $50 with it for the Bionic, would it be worth it? I only paid $10 for my Charge about a month ago. I really like the fact that it has dual cores and has a few ICS roms out for it. I got to play around with ICS on my old Epic 4G before I sold it, and all I can say is WOW! I definitely want ICS now.
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I'd say so, the screen is a definite downgrade but everything else is superior IMO. Best upgrade is probably the RAM. I guess the only other downsides are that it's a motorola phone and i heard it has trouble staying connected to 4g, like the Charge used too. But I heard that when the phone was released, who knows how it's doing now...

I would take that in an instant given the bionic is in good condition. Sure the screen sucks but it is more visible outside. Also I would expect it to have better connectivity than the Charge because it is a moto phone. The battery is a bunch bigger too, and can't forget the dual core.
Plus with the RAM you get it would have real multitasking.

JihadSquad said:
I would take that in an instant given the bionic is in good condition. Sure the screen sucks but it is more visible outside. Also I would expect it to have better connectivity than the Charge because it is a moto phone. The battery is a bunch bigger too, and can't forget the dual core.
Plus with the RAM you get it would have real multitasking.
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Exactly, the screen isn't enough of a trade off to turn me away from the Bionic. I mean the screen isn't bad but compared to the Samoled+ with voodoo screen tuning it doesn't come close. Still, with the extra RAM the multi tasking is what really intrigues me. That's one thing this phone always sucked at and always will.

The Bionic was EOL'd before the Charge, if that means anything. Personally, I'd keep the Charge, but I don't like Moto phones, or their practices.

imnuts said:
The Bionic was EOL'd before the Charge, if that means anything. Personally, I'd keep the Charge, but I don't like Moto phones, or their practices.
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I figured lol.. You are the biggest proponent of Samsung phones I have seen on here. But then again you dev for fascinate charge strat and nexus

I'm pretty certain the Bionic has not hit EOL. The Droid 3 did, but the Bionic is still sold new and likely will be for a while as it's on the official ICS upgrade list for later this year.

Yeah, Bionic is on Moto's list for ICS...but that is a moot point considering CM9 is already out and pretty darn stable on it. I'm really not a fan of Motorola as a company either, but I REALLY want ICS lol. It's about twice the upgrade that Gingerbread was from Froyo.

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Screen on the bionic straight up sucks! So does the camera. Also feels very cheaply made. If multi-tasking is extremely important and need the extra core, then ya maybe. I don't know about everyone else but I gotta have a superior screen and sound.

Why not try to pick up a Rezound? Gotta be better that the Moto phones. They have leaked ICS, with some kernel issues, but it works well overall. They might be geting S-Off soon as well, which could pave the way to ASOP and CM9.
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One thing I will say that absolutely drives me insane about Samsung phones is their stock camera. Don't get me wrong, it takes great quality photos and is extremely smooth to use, but here is the problem. Take a picture in portrait orientation. Now try to share it through a messaging application other than stock, or copy the file to your computer then open it. It will show up 90° counter clockwise. This drives me bonkers that Samsung can't get this right. Sure, I have a different camera app called vignette that saves it correctly, but it is a lot slower than the stock camera.

The dual cores and ram is nice on the Bionic but overall I like the screen and interface of the Charge better. For even more Charge fun fllash it with the Tweaked v2.0 rom. Runs just as good as a dual core phone in my humble opinion. Plus in the past I have had nothing but problems with moto android phones.

xfearxphoenixx said:
Runs just as good as a dual core phone in my humble opinion.
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Unless you are doing something that actually puts a heavy load on the CPU...

Falcyn said:
I'm pretty certain the Bionic has not hit EOL. The Droid 3 did, but the Bionic is still sold new and likely will be for a while as it's on the official ICS upgrade list for later this year.
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Just because it's getting an update doesn't mean the device isn't EOL. The Bionic was dead in the water as soon as the RAZR came out. While the Galaxy Nexus is the next in line for the Charge, there still hasn't been a real "upgrade" for it since the Nexus is stock Android and the Charge isn't. Rezound would be the replacement for the Thunderbolt, and Lucid the replacement for the Revolution, so the Charge is the only device that hasn't been fully replaced yet in VZW's lineup.

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Just because it's getting an update doesn't mean the device isn't EOL. The Bionic was dead in the water as soon as the RAZR came out. While the Galaxy Nexus is the next in line for the Charge, there still hasn't been a real "upgrade" for it since the Nexus is stock Android and the Charge isn't. Rezound would be the replacement for the Thunderbolt, and Lucid the replacement for the Revolution, so the Charge is the only device that hasn't been fully replaced yet in VZW's lineup.
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Wasn't Verizon not getting the gs2 because the nexus was supposed to replace it?
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Razr maxx
They are selling the droid razzr maxx on amazon for 200 dollars with contract. I got one for my wife to replace her droid charge. she hates the charge...i don't blame her.

rossdret said:
They are selling the droid razzr maxx on amazon for 200 dollars with contract. I got one for my wife to replace her droid charge. she hates the charge...i don't blame her.
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rossdret said:
They are selling the droid razzr maxx on amazon for 200 dollars with contract. I got one for my wife to replace her droid charge. she hates the charge...i don't blame her.
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The Charge hates your wife.
I broke my first Charge's screen and ended up using a demo Bionic that I had on hand. I used the Bionic for about a month and I couldn't get over how crappy the display was compared to the Charge. Since I look at the display 100% of the time that I use my phone, having the better display was preferable. Needless to say, I bought a refurb'd Charge for $250 and returned the demo Bionic.