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i mean, everything on this site is pretty much microsoft, which should create some copyright issues.
they are just happy to find a place where winmo doesn't get bashed constantly
duude said:
i mean, everything on this site is pretty much microsoft, which should create some copyright issues.
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LOL, your first post and you have a pop at this site?
You dont work for MS do you
GREAT first post.
anyway.
They tolerate it because we don't personally host anything and yes, we do make windows mobile better.
Also, this site actively opposes software theft, (warez and others like it,) which is the bulk of any copyright problems. It spreads goodwill towards Microsoft, believe it or not; if users have problems with standard Microsoft software, they don't have to just sit there and be unhappy, it can be tweaked. By doing so, people are happier with their Microsoft-driven equipment, and more likely to keep using it than changing to something else. There are countless people on this site who would tell you that without this site, they might not be using a Windows-driven phone.
It is also free tech-support for Microsoft, which saves them loads of money.
LOL duude...are u an attorney or do u own an iphone?
m$ knows better to keep this site alive. its their faults we are tweakin up and makin it better. beside...you never know...this draws a lot and i mean a lot of ppl towards m$. so i m pretty much sure the revenue keeps em' happy
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There are countless people on this site who would tell you that without this site, they might not be using a Windows-driven phone
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One here!!!
microsoft never sold wm to any end user
and this site never taken part in porting wm to a device that dident came with it
more because of the close to impossibility of doing so
so as ms still get their licensense from the manufactors
and better rep with users who can get more out of their devices then just
depending on what the manfucators give before they forget about older devices
and move on to their new stuff
more wm phone owners keep getting new wm devices rather then moving to iphones or symbian devices so
it helps ms out alot in their quest of getting a larger % of the market
Plus, along with the free tech ehlp, the improving of current phones, we all know new htc phones will be tweaked cooked and stuff, so buy another phone. so XDA not only saves tehm money, but actually gains them money
It's because of this site that I'm looking at the Windows Mobile platform for my next phone rather than traditional Nokia, Sony Ericsson (other than x1), or even the iPhone..... actually come to think of it, without the exisitence of this site EVER, I would get an iPhone 3G right away.
you will see that in the coming future microsoft will be incorporating programs and devs that were created through this site to their platform. There was once a time when microsoft tried to shut it down when they realised that the site actually brings more people to microsoft and keeps them there.
LOL! I was going to post something else, but I'm pretty sure everybody has already said it, or thinks it! To much good comes from this site! Think about it, how many users of this site are now WM users for good and will always be sold on the next best WM platform because of this site.
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Also, this site actively opposes software theft, (warez and others like it,) which is the bulk of any copyright problems. It spreads goodwill towards Microsoft, believe it or not; if users have problems with standard Microsoft software, they don't have to just sit there and be unhappy, it can be tweaked. By doing so, people are happier with their Microsoft-driven equipment, and more likely to keep using it than changing to something else. There are countless people on this site who would tell you that without this site, they might not be using a Windows-driven phone.
It is also free tech-support for Microsoft, which saves them loads of money.
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Yup, that's it.
TheChampJT said:
LOL! I was going to post something else, but I'm pretty sure everybody has already said it, or thinks it! To much good comes from this site! Think about it, how many users of this site are now WM users for good and will always be sold on the next best WM platform because of this site.
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Amen to that!
Why haven't they done anything?
because nobody there is smoking crack
Would you close down a site that gets people talking about your products ? that is full of people writing programs that enhances the usability of your products? that's a great place to see some ideas you might steal for later versions of your OS.
This is free R&D!
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i mean, everything on this site is pretty much microsoft, which should create some copyright issues.
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Alas, I saw this differently with others. I think the question is very out of topic since this is an All-HTC-Devices forum, not an M$ WM forum. It's only 'coincidence' that after these years, HTC always used WM as their OS.
If HTC decided in the future that they will build their own OS, or maybe use Android, then it may trigger M$ to reconsider its stance against this forum. Especially, when we -as always- try to improve our experience with the devices, do it by porting some parts (drivers/softwares) from WM to other OS, or vice versa. Then the issue may be valid.
Btw, I don't know but do you all think it's safe -legally and/or morally- to port other vendor/ODM's part (drivers/softwares/etc) into our HTC devices? I ask this because I saw many attempts already...
I don't know the exact number of people on this site, but I do know that there are a whole lot of people on this site. My point for that last sectence is "would you destroy a site that has FREE workers helping your company out to better there products and gain more money"
Yes, we might receive applications before they are release, but honestly where do you really think we receive those from uuuummmm?
So again, if I was a big company I would never touch this site because I will pass my software to this site let eveyone play with it and then I would know where all the bugs are at. So then I will fix it and then sale it.
There might be alot of poeple on this site but I think MS has a lot more customers that don't even know that this site is even alive.
There you go my 2 cents.
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I don't know the exact number of people on this site, but I do know that there are a whole lot of people on this site. My point for that last sectence is "would you destroy a site that has FREE workers helping your company out to better there products and gain more money"
Yes, we might receive applications before they are release, but honestly where do you really think we receive those from uuuummmm?
So again, if I was a big company I would never touch this site because I will pass my software to this site let eveyone play with it and then I would know where all the bugs are at. So then I will fix it and then sale it.
There might be alot of poeple on this site but I think MS has a lot more customers that don't even know that this site is even alive.
There you go my 2 cents.
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and if the truth be known, they (M$) are happy that the masses dont know., in truth, the people on this site contain more knowledge and expertise than all of m$ combined as far as HTC handsets are concerned and how to tweak and tune the software to ACTUALLY work. it could be perceived as (truth) the Big companies are just mass clearing houses of useless data they can sell for a profit. how many of us came here for the first time only looking for useable software programs? how many of us came here for the first time trying to find a solution to an OEM problem?
M$ has found a truly unique forum in the world of r&d., although probably more out of frustration than than anything else, the majority of talented people here could teach this stuff to most of the employees at m$ about these devices and how they work and why.
I would be very surprised if they didnt have a staff of several people working there monitoring and testing to roms and software packages developed or tweaked through this site. they would have to be unbelieveably arrogant to think this is a bad thing for business, and we all know who one of the richest men and companies in the world is dont we. he didnt just fall off the truck so to speak, he understands..............economics!
With all of that in mind can anyone understand why pocket development is not possible on Visual studio express editions (free).
Isn't that a shoot on the foot? I think so.
I think that a platform with a lot of developers is much more appeling, and then seel more. Only a opinion from someone that will never buy a iphone.
"...Android users will soon be able to play We Rule, a kingdom simulator that borrows a little DNA from the Facebook smash FarmVille but has more social hooks in it."
Youtube> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUVoQ_Ar-fs
And Plus+ is essentially a platform for friends to compete, connect, brag, message and obtain Trophies/Achievement like awards. Possibly multi-platform, Android-iPhone/iPad (PlayBook?)
SOURCE: by Levi Buchanan
http://wireless.ign.com/articles/112/1123959p1.html
PLEASE BRING GOD FINGER NEXT!
We Rule was a pretty darn game on ipad.
I hope this means we'll see more of ngmoco's games like Rolando
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I hope this means we'll see more of ngmoco's games like Rolando
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agreed!!! excited either way...i feel like in a few months more and more big games/companies are gonna be on android....now theres always winmo7 that will be tempting me back to the winmo side
It's almost July and still no We Rule for Android. Very dissapointing.
Today I wrote an e-mail to ngmoco:
Dear Madam or Sir:
Today I'm wrtiting you to let you know how disappointed I am by the lack of attention to questions on Facebook or Twitter.
I repeatedly contacted We Rule as well as Ngmoco on both platforms to get some information about the promised release of the We Rule game on the Android platform. .
On January 5th WeRuleGame told me via twitter that the game is "coming early this year". Since then my requests remain unanswered
It's almost July and still no We Rule for Android within sight.
It would be nice if ngmco would let the Android communty know how much longer we have to wait.Is it really too much to ask?
I really hope that my answers will find a sympathetic ear some day.
Best regards from a really disappointed (yet) fan
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I'm curious about the answer! Will let you guys know when I get one.
The answer came quick:
We've been working diligently to bring We Rule to Android these past few months. I apologize that we haven't been able to respond to your comments on Facebook or Twitter.
At this point, we expect We Rule for Android to ship in a Beta form for the most popular Android devices sometime in July or August. We don't have an exact date because as I've said before we're most interested in releasing a quality, well-tested We Rule for Android than anything else.
I hope this helps!
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I know it's not easy being a developer and not everyone can be a developer but the the tons of apps at the marketplace that have been left abandoned by their responsible developers by not updating them just pisses me off. More than 50% apps at the marketplace don't get updates and they look real bad.
Lets take the official Twitter app for example; I really love this app but suffering with it coz it's too buggy and lacks lots of functions. I have contacted support many times but still no reply. Meanwhile, Twitter app on Android gets updated all the time to bring new features, lots of functions and bug fixes, they even had an update last week and it makes using the app just great, but I'm not an Android fan and I need to fight for my OS to have the best experience.
Facebook app just got updated after so many months of cries from users and I know it's gonna take a looooong time again for us to see another update from them although the app still needs work to be done. I have apps that I've never witnessed updates for since I upgraded from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone and it hurts me a lot and not that these apps are great, the need to be worked on. I mean, how can a developer abandon his/her app?? This developer carrier needs dedication and commitment and not everyone can be one.
We really need to update our apps very often to bring the best user experience and capabilities to all of us in order to enjoy our great OS. What can an OS do without good apps??
What do my fellow forumers think about this issue??
i guess it comes down to the apps you are downloading. I get annoyed with all the updates i receive all the time. I as a developer try to update my apps atleast once a month and introduce new features as i learn how to code them in. But in comes down to the person themself. Sometimes we are busy or other issues arise that delay our ability to update the app. But some devs are just lazy looking for a quick buck in my opinion.
just imagine you are a developer.
you have a job
you have friends
you have family
-> you don't have much free time
then you can look at the effort it took to develope the apps you already released.
in my case, i worked half a year (yet) on a project, that is still in beta
(i've to mention, it's my first project at all, just take it as an approximation)
Would you feel motivated when you know, that updating your application could costs months, and maybe you wont get rewarded at all because you are such an indulgent guy and made it free?
You also have to set priorities, hobby-development has to get in line.
like HackMimic said, there are developers that update all 2 weeks (possibly briefly developed), and those, who need some time to include more well written features.
and don't forget: how should the developers know, that a user misses smth in his app? most people don't rate/review apps, and when they do, you just read smth like:
"not working",
"useless",
"not worth the money"
...
nothing constructive
so it's hard to know what is missing in his own apps sometimes.
you see, there are a quite alot of things devs have to deal with.
Just try to develope on your own, when you feel there's something missing in marketplace. It's pretty easy
greets roqstr
roqstr said:
just imagine you are a developer.
you have a job
you have friends
you have family
-> you don't have much free time
then you can look at the effort it took to develope the apps you already released.
in my case, i worked half a year (yet) on a project, that is still in beta
(i've to mention, it's my first project at all, just take it as an approximation)
Would you feel motivated when you know, that updating your application could costs months, and maybe you wont get rewarded at all because you are such an indulgent guy and made it free?
You also have to set priorities, hobby-development has to get in line.
like HackMimic said, there are developers that update all 2 weeks (possibly briefly developed), and those, who need some time to include more well written features.
and don't forget: how should the developers know, that a user misses smth in his app? most people don't rate/review apps, and when they do, you just read smth like:
"not working",
"useless",
"not worth the money"
...
nothing constructive
so it's hard to know what is missing in his own apps sometimes.
you see, there are a quite alot of things devs have to deal with.
Just try to develope on your own, when you feel there's something missing in marketplace. It's pretty easy
greets roqstr
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Hmm...it's not easy. App developing is just similar to my carrier as a research scientist. Hardly get time for anything and you really have to force yourself to do somethings. To tell you the truth, I don't even have a socialization life and that's very bad. All I do is play with my viruses and when I come home play with my windows phone. This life ain't good coz you really need to think about family and friends.....and your girlfriend.
Apps like Twitter get more updates on Android just because there are so many more ppl using Android.
Code as often and as much as you have fun on it. Don't force yourself to do so, results won't be the same.
Keep that in mind
Hello anyone reading this message.
My name is gregory. I am like most of you pretty pissed about the behavior of canonical (at least if you followed the ubuntu edge fund campaign http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge). What a lame way to make advertising. Of course, anyone with a bit of sense would smell the scam here, 32,000,000$ in a month? come on man!!! So here I am. I've been a flasholic for years and I think I came up with the idea of making my own cell phone about 3 years ago. fear, shyness and lack of funds made me drop the idea several time. But today we have the possibility to change the cell phone world together, thanx to canonical's lame way to advertise their OS. Basically here is my idea, Why not fund our own XDA phone? After all, many of us having problem or getting fed up with the slow updates of our phones are coming here to get things done. Most of us don't wait anymore for those big brands to update our devices. So why in the world are we waiting for them to build them. I've been around XDA for quite some times now and all I see here is a great mix of DEV. So correct me if i'm wrong. The dev on XDA are for most way faster and more reliable than the one at samsung, htc etc. the parts for the phones are all made in china for the most part, we all know some designers and the ubuntu edge crowfunding made it to 12,000,000 +. So here is my question to you people on XDA. Why don't we make our own phone the same way. Even 10,000,000 would be largely enough to make simply the best phone in the world. we could make a poll about each part and design in the phone, and i'm pretty sure the dev here would agree to make the device better. Not only because they will be pay for it, but because they love it. I am no business man, neither a develloper. I don't know code or anything in that matter. Now let me tell you my vision (and no i didn't take LSD for it)
imagines a phone with the latest specs like the edge. 128gb drive storage, 4gb ram, sapphire glass etc etc, it would be nice, but now imagine the same device with the XDA community back up, updates and corrections every 1 or 2 months, pushed straight to your phone without need of external program (kies, itunes or else... why is it call mobile phone if you need to have a computer to update it?), a minimum of 3 years updates, and of course, the ability to solve your problem here without having to talk with lame company commercials who would send your phone to korea just because they don't know anything about the product they sell. won't it be a dream? - more ideas are very welcome and that's why WE should do our own phone.
As I said, i'm not into the cell phone business, although I know some things about business in china, i'm no designer or dev, but i'm sure we could put up a pretty team from people here and make it happen. And when it's done, start a crowfunding. I know it would work because the name XDA alone stand for quality and improvement in our mobile world today. I have in mind that anyone willing to do that would succeed and I can't protect this kind of idea since i'm not the one who invent cell phone. but I also think the great thing with the xda community is that there is no lame boss or greedy stock sharers to decide what people should do or not. I'm hard working and if people think we should make it then i'm willing to work my ass, even travel (i'm from Paris, france not texas ) overseas to make this happen. here is the team i think we should put together to see this device built:
- people who knows the chinese technology market (where to buy and select company)
- DEV who knows about Android devellopment (maybe ubuntu or any other)
- designers ( let's try to make something more beautiful than the iphone )
- lawyers (I guess)
- commercials
any other ideas are welcome.
I opened this thread just to see your reactions on the subjects. it a little messy because i have so many things in my mind but feel free to argue, critisized, encourage, or just explain to us anything that comes in your mind. cheers
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Hello anyone reading this message.
My name is gregory. I am like most of you pretty pissed about the behavior of canonical (at least if you followed the ubuntu edge fund campaign http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge). What a lame way to make advertising. Of course, anyone with a bit of sense would smell the scam here, 32,000,000$ in a month? come on man!!! So here I am. I've been a flasholic for years and I think I came up with the idea of making my own cell phone about 3 years ago. fear, shyness and lack of funds made me drop the idea several time. But today we have the possibility to change the cell phone world together, thanx to canonical's lame way to advertise their OS. Basically here is my idea, Why not fund our own XDA phone? After all, many of us having problem or getting fed up with the slow updates of our phones are coming here to get things done. Most of us don't wait anymore for those big brands to update our devices. So why in the world are we waiting for them to build them. I've been around XDA for quite some times now and all I see here is a great mix of DEV. So correct me if i'm wrong. The dev on XDA are for most way faster and more reliable than the one at samsung, htc etc. the parts for the phones are all made in china for the most part, we all know some designers and the ubuntu edge crowfunding made it to 12,000,000 +. So here is my question to you people on XDA. Why don't we make our own phone the same way. Even 10,000,000 would be largely enough to make simply the best phone in the world. we could make a poll about each part and design in the phone, and i'm pretty sure the dev here would agree to make the device better. Not only because they will be pay for it, but because they love it. I am no business man, neither a develloper. I don't know code or anything in that matter. Now let me tell you my vision (and no i didn't take LSD for it)
imagines a phone with the latest specs like the edge. 128gb drive storage, 4gb ram, sapphire glass etc etc, it would be nice, but now imagine the same device with the XDA community back up, updates and corrections every 1 or 2 months, pushed straight to your phone without need of external program (kies, itunes or else... why is it call mobile phone if you need to have a computer to update it?), a minimum of 3 years updates, and of course, the ability to solve your problem here without having to talk with lame company commercials who would send your phone to korea just because they don't know anything about the product they sell. won't it be a dream? - more ideas are very welcome and that's why WE should do our own phone.
As I said, i'm not into the cell phone business, although I know some things about business in china, i'm no designer or dev, but i'm sure we could put up a pretty team from people here and make it happen. And when it's done, start a crowfunding. I know it would work because the name XDA alone stand for quality and improvement in our mobile world today. I have in mind that anyone willing to do that would succeed and I can't protect this kind of idea since i'm not the one who invent cell phone. but I also think the great thing with the xda community is that there is no lame boss or greedy stock sharers to decide what people should do or not. I'm hard working and if people think we should make it then i'm willing to work my ass, even travel (i'm from Paris, france not texas ) overseas to make this happen. here is the team i think we should put together to see this device built:
- people who knows the chinese technology market (where to buy and select company)
- DEV who knows about Android devellopment (maybe ubuntu or any other)
- designers ( let's try to make something more beautiful than the iphone )
- lawyers (I guess)
- commercials
any other ideas are welcome.
I opened this thread just to see your reactions on the subjects. it a little messy because i have so many things in my mind but feel free to argue, critisized, encourage, or just explain to us anything that comes in your mind. cheers
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A search would have shown you this has already been talked about and "If" it ever did happen it would not be with any parts from China at all. The parts would have to be of the highest quality. But as I said this has already been talked about before.
zelendel said:
A search would have shown you this has already been talked about and "If" it ever did happen it would not be with any parts from China at all. The parts would have to be of the highest quality. But as I said this has already been talked about before.
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i tried to find anything about this but didn't, could you tell me which thread talk about that?
zelendel said:
A search would have shown you this has already been talked about and "If" it ever did happen it would not be with any parts from China at all. The parts would have to be of the highest quality. But as I said this has already been talked about before.
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if this has been discuss already then you can close the thread. still didn't find anything on the subject, maybe i'm not using the good key words to find it. anyway thanx
Hello everyone!
I want to keep it shortly since i am not that well right now...
My Name is Marius (29Yo), i am playing with Android since 2010 and i wanted to start a Android Company for many Years, which produces not only an Android Operating System and everything tied to it, but also Devices made for it. I came to the conclusion Germany seems to be pretty un-supportive with Start-Ups the past Years and it's pretty clear that they will not grant me any Support with it in any way. Being a Person with a Vision isn't something People want to see over here how it seems... I talked to many People around the World and came to the Point where i have to admit i am done. I got Diabetes Melitus in the age of 8 (Which punishes Me hard right now) and i got some other, bigger Problems with My Health the last Years. I am tired, sick and i don't have that much energy and Money left. Things get more and more frustrating, some People even started hating Me for Reasons... I am stuck!
But... What's the Point of telling You that?
I need Your Help!
I am opening My Repo for the Public now and i want to invite everyone who is interested in building Android (AOSP)!
What am i providing?
Well, call it Scripts, an Build A.I. or whatever You want. At the end it does just automate building Android for You. On a creative, simple and interactive Way. Understand how Android can be modified, do changes locally and on your own with ease. Include Apps, Configs, Mods and whatever You want...
Why?
I am lazy... No really. Why are we wasting time with setting up the same Things over and over again!? Safe some lifetime and automate what You can!
What?
Check out My Repo down below. It's made for Pixel 7 and 7 Pro right now but i managed to create Bootloops on My 7 Pro. That's where we should start off again...
Next?
I want a Team that shares My Vision of Android Devices! I am ready to put My Skills into any ambitious Project. But... I still want to do Smartphones, XR Headsets, Tablets, Speakers and Watches. How? The Time will tell...
DIOS - Dev Ice Operating System GitHub Page:
GitHub - DEV-ICE-SOFTWARE-TECHNOLOGIES/DIOS
Contribute to DEV-ICE-SOFTWARE-TECHNOLOGIES/DIOS development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
I have pushed a lot of effort, sweat and blood in that. Please be kind if You think something is stupid!
I don't wanna leave the Earth without having shared the Project i worked on for so long. It could be My last Project and i always have that in my Mind these Days! Hope it will make some People happy as it made me developing it...
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Thank you for working on this project and for sharing it with all of us! It is a shame that Germany isn't supportive for start-ups. I mean, I'm part German myself and only recently realized that most of the products that I purchase started in or were manufactured in Germany! Whether it's pens, computer mice or watches - they all started in Germany (rOtring, Zaunkoenig, Sinn, etc)! So, it certainly seems like being supportive of start-ups there would be good idea that would likely lead to even more great German creations!
Thank you again and I wish you the best of luck with your health! I too am in a similar boat and have had health issues that started ever since I had a severe traumatic brain injury and was unconscious for months.....only to be given the "risky due to my health status at the time" COVID-19 vaccinations immediately after returning back to a more conscious state...
Depression and a large sum of internal, personal hatred reigns sky-high for me nowadays possibly because of these things. But, I always try to keep my head high and to persuade myself to keep looking forward to what comes next. Although it is difficult, I always try my best. So, I seriously do wish you the best with your health. I think that you got what it takes and can move forward positively! I hope that it all works out =D. I believe in you.
Looks like a great idea mate, following along and wishing you the best of luck. I'll give it a try on the weekend.
All the best
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Thank you for working on this project and for sharing it with all of us! It is a shame that Germany isn't supportive for start-ups. I mean, I'm part German myself and only recently realized that most of the products that I purchase started in or were manufactured in Germany! Whether it's pens, computer mice or watches - they all started in Germany (rOtring, Zaunkoenig, Sinn, etc)! So, it certainly seems like being supportive of start-ups there would be good idea that would likely lead to even more great German creations!
Thank you again and I wish you the best of luck with your health! I too am in a similar boat and have had health issues that started ever since I had a severe traumatic brain injury and was unconscious for months.....only to be given the "risky due to my health status at the time" COVID-19 vaccinations immediately after returning back to a more conscious state...
Depression and a large sum of internal, personal hatred reigns sky-high for me nowadays possibly because of these things. But, I always try to keep my head high and to persuade myself to keep looking forward to what comes next. Although it is difficult, I always try my best. So, I seriously do wish you the best with your health. I think that you got what it takes and can move forward positively! I hope that it all works out =D. I believe in you.
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Thanks again for Your honest Words! I'll keep giving My Best just like You do!
mccbrandon said:
Looks like a great idea mate, following along and wishing you the best of luck. I'll give it a try on the weekend.
All the best
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Really looking forward to that! Feel free to ask Me anything at any Time!
Google just fixed a bug regarding eSIM not activating in some cases (June Update). Think that will fix it on DIOS too since i am using forked Pixel Firmwares. Glad that happend. Now i just have to find out what causes the Bootloops. I have reverted all of My Edits so far but still get Bootloops and even a non starting System. Think it's time for a fresh Setup...