Has anyone else noticed the large amount of ghosting the Xoom display has? Its very prevalent to me, especially when a red or black object moves across the screen (red angry bird (especially when zoomed in), red icon on homescreen while scrolling (pew pew), black bars between gallery images, etc).
Its bothering me to the point of returning it (and looks like I'll have to eat the 15%/$90 restocking fee at Amazon). I'm wondering if the Asus Eee Pad Transformer or Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9/10.1 will have a better response rate. I know they both should have a better viewing angle with their IPS displays.
I have an ISF certificate and don't see any ghosting...
Really? Could it be I have a defective unit. I just find it hard to believe I would be the only one to have/see this.
Listen enable flash, then open this site on your xoom try to go full screen and tell me your findings.
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/testsoftware/ghosting.html
Btw I have ghosting as well, but never noticed it on before. Thanks for the heads up. Ill reply back when I get more info.
I have no ghosting at all on my nexus one, the screen size have a huge effect on ghosting btw, but just an fyi.
2 Days ago I've been playing DoodleJump on the Xoom, and noticed the game running faster (you can test this) ofcourse you'll have to be familiar with the usual pace of it on the phone version of the game.
I've suspected the frame rate per second to be higher on the Xoom than the Nexus one...which could also be factored in, in refresh rate and then added to the whole performance. Which could spark problems like the ghosting we are seeing.(if you ever tried emulating a PXS on a PC you'll know what I mean)
I know that the screen response time could be a major factor but I couldn't get any information regarding the specifics of this screen. (btw you could be holding two Xooms with different screens)
So my guess for now, is the problem is with the refresh rate on the screen or the way the JIT compiler emulates...which could be solved with an update or a software tweak. Take what I said about the software side of this with a grin of salt
wow horrendous ghosting!!!!! (Using the ghosting test above)
Bumping this thread. Just noticed this on my xoom! Is it normal?
Another test : try going to http://tinyurl.com/xoghost and watch the drumsets at the bottom of the page and the guy in the second last row of second page ghost when you scroll the pages up and down.
Sorry... just saw the responses to the thread. For some reason my email notifications were off.
I ended up returning my Xoom to Amazon while still in the 30 day window so I can't do any further testing. One of the primary reasons for returning was due to the screen ghosting (and overall screen quality). I've also got my eye on the Asus transformer with the IPS display, but it keeps getting delayed. I might just wait until fall reign the next wave of tablets come out... maybe something with a tegra 3
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I'm also seeing quite a bit of ghosting. Is this typical for xoom users?
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I'm also seeing quite a bit of ghosting. Is this typical for xoom users?
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It would seem so, It's absloutely terrible using the ghosting test linked. I'm getting a ghost the length of the actual cube trailing on my screen, in full screen. =/
ASUS Transformer doesnt suffer that much with the links you posted.
There are two different panels for xooms, one being AU optronics brand (typically sited as the cheap/crappy display) and the Sharp brand display which is supposed to be better.
I have the AU Optronics display and going to the ghosting URL linked previously I get terrible ghosting.
Can anyone with the sharp display test this and see what they see?
You can determine the display type by typing dmesg into a term emulator.
Sharp panels say: 'lcd_manfid=SHP'
AU panels say: 'lcd_manfid=AUO'
Now since dmesg is the kernal ring buffer you might need to reboot before you see it in your dmesg output.
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I'm not surprised by the ghosting on these displays. Every mobile device I've owned has ghosted horribly. Even a lot of monitors around the office do it, but people don't seem to notice or care. I've always used 2ms displays at my home setup because of this. That being said, I paid about twice what other displays of similar size cost. People don't want to see the price of their precious electronics going up without seeing more nice specs on the list. A low response time display won't sell as well as a faster CPU or RAM... If you find a market that is looking at those 2 specs then make them great. Cheap out on the rest.
Actually this ghosting effect is due to the speed at which the pixels can change from one color to another. Some displays have issues with different color transitions.
This is something that doesn't happen on my nexus ones amoled display. And most of my monitors that I have also don't have this issue, at least to the degree of the xoom. It is disappointing to see how cheap the xoom display is.
I bet my droidx doesn't suffer from this either.
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Maybe I'm crazy, but I began to notice ghosting on the screen, especially on the desktop after I upgraded to 3.2 Honeycomb.
If anyone can test whether the effect exists in 3.0 and 3.2, I appreciate it.
UK Xoom Wi-Fi only and I get ghosting too!
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UK Xoom Wi-Fi only and I get ghosting too!
lcd_manfid=SHP
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Yes, there's some ghosting, but so what? What does it actually affect? I haven't found any effect whatsoever.
Doesn't bother me. Just posting my findings.
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Doesn't bother me. Just posting my findings.
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I know...I wasn't shouting or anything ;^ )
I just think this ghosting thing is not a big deal.
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The only thing that is stopping me from pulling the trigger on the gtablet is the viewing angle issue that everyone is complaining about. Honestly I dont care how the screen looks if you are looking at it in an angle because one will always look straight into it anyways.. Other than this, what else is the issue with the screen?
Sears will be running a 10% off on this tomorrow AM bringing the price down to $342 and I need to make up my mind to grab it for that price.
Thanks in advance.
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The only thing that is stopping me from pulling the trigger on the gtablet is the viewing angle issue that everyone is complaining about. Honestly I dont care how the screen looks if you are looking at it in an angle because one will always look straight into it anyways.. Other than this, what else is the issue with the screen?
Sears will be running a 10% off on this tomorrow AM bringing the price down to $342 and I need to make up my mind to grab it for that price.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi,
I'seen the comments about th screen, and while I'm not an expert on LCDs, I've never understood the complaints.
The screen on mine is bright, at 80%, and I don't notice much problem even at angles. I keep wondering if some Gtabs have different LCDs!
Jim
Probably the biggest issue I have is the solarizing effect that occurs when the screen is tipped back, while in landscape. This is something that is noticeable if you have the tablet flat on a desk and you are trying to view the screen that way. You can work around it by flipping the screen, but that doesn't work with all applications.
I don't think portrait mode is so bad, as I usually look at that straight on (it might be slightly high in contrast but you can turn it slightly to fix that).
IMO, viewing angle is not an issue but .... a privacy feature!
Definitely not a deal breaker for me. There are times where I wish I could get a wider angle, such as flat on a desk. However, it works fine for the majority of uses.
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The only thing that is stopping me from pulling the trigger on the gtablet is the viewing angle issue that everyone is complaining about. Honestly I dont care how the screen looks if you are looking at it in an angle because one will always look straight into it anyways.. Other than this, what else is the issue with the screen?
Sears will be running a 10% off on this tomorrow AM bringing the price down to $342 and I need to make up my mind to grab it for that price.
Thanks in advance.
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Would be nice if they would run it at $349 again and the 10%. Let me know if they will give you the 10% on it as I will go get another.
Go check a Staples and see if they still have a demo unit out(they're apparently pulling it but some store might still have a demo unit out -- Sears just has a cheezy mockup...), or maybe an Office Depot...
The viewing angle really isn't so bad when you're using as I've found all the time that I'm holding or have it propped on my lap I have an almost dead view so the viewing angle limitation is not apparent.
As others have mentioned there have been a few times when I'd've liked a better viewing angle, such as when I have laying on the desktop while transferring files to it or having it do things and want a quick check of the screen status w/o have to crane over it...
My biggest remaining complaint is 10" form factor and weight, but mostly the 10" which makes it unwieldly which is why I'll eventually be adding a 7" to complement it, likely a Nook Color(NC) ATM although I'm resisting(strongly) running out and buying one any second now... (made it through Thursday & Friday w/o buying one... keep telling myself more tablets are on the way and to wait a bit although B&N seem to be the best at support so far, and given that they're still supporting the eInk Nook(Nook B&W? NBW?)...)
OTOH the 10" & weight allowed them to pack in a pretty decent battery, and I can manage a few days between charges which I'm sure no 7" will be able to manage, and especially not the NC... going to have to charge every night, and watch screen brightness & WiFi usage...
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Since I added in the Sears line above, it's funny I went to Sears to buy one of those crappy cases(VS $6 one), and the sales guy was laughing about how they have almost nothing in stock... He mentioned that because I asked if they had any other cases than that one, and he said that's it.. going on to mention of the two netbooks on display only the ASUS was in stock, they had 1 HDMI cable, 2 VGA cables(not sure what he meant by this one), a couple of ipods... pretty sad... I can't help but wonder if all Sears stores are like that or just that one... if they're all like that Sears is in trouble...
The Sylvania tablet display had disappeared too, since I was last there in mid-November... still had the white & black PDNs on display, along with a lone Sony eInk reader...
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I got mine site unseen and also struggled with all the negativity before opening it. I finally broke down and gave it a go and can say I really love the device. Sure, the screen is probably its weakest link but far from the bleek picture painted in most reviews.
I guess many sites are holding the Gtab up to iPad standards. The screen is just a regular old netbook LCD. Viewing angles are made for landscape and looking down at 45 degrees. Everything outside that is pretty poor but typically that is how I hold the thing and the viewing angle doesn't bother me. Portrait is another story and if you want this thing to be an e-book reader (or anything) in that form factor then you will be sorely disappointed.
Viewing angle sucks big time and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify and otherwise good amchine they purchase and spent a lot of time getting to work properly.
It is a pain to type on in any kind of angle as the most comfortable angles make screen look negative polarity.
For straight on viewing I agree it's nice
I just got mine in sears with a 5% discount off of $379. I know the stock rom is junk and I dont even care as i'll flash it with vegan or tnt. I am trying hard to like the screen. In portrait mode, when viewing web pages, the text is alright but the pictures have this solarizing effect which I am not able to get over with.. darn.. why didnt they put a good screen on this otherwise a good power house.. will play around lil bit before deciding if i should keep it or send her back
Hi Guys,
Are all variants of the Malata tablet (including the GTablet) have the same LCD screen? I want a 10" Tegra 2 tablet with a better screen.
Thanks.
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Viewing angle sucks big time and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify and otherwise good amchine they purchase and spent a lot of time getting to work properly.
It is a pain to type on in any kind of angle as the most comfortable angles make screen look negative polarity.
For straight on viewing I agree it's nice
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You HAVE to have a different screen than the one I got. I can't get it to go negative no matter what angle I turn it too. The wife and I browsed the web for hours tonight and it worked perfectly, the viewing angle is much better than her hp laptop.
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Maybe different batches have different screens. Mine is terrible if I hold it in portrait and look at it straight on. I have to tilt it to one side to make it usable unless it's completely dark.
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Maybe different batches have different screens. Mine is terrible if I hold it in portrait and look at it straight on. I have to tilt it to one side to make it usable unless it's completely dark.
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My gtab has same problem in portrait.
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You HAVE to have a different screen than the one I got. I can't get it to go negative no matter what angle I turn it too. The wife and I browsed the web for hours tonight and it worked perfectly, the viewing angle is much better than her hp laptop.
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You mind telling us where you got the GTab, and when? And your model # on the box? I wouldn't discount the possibility that you might have slightly different device than the rest of us.
I know that bekit had gotten a device that had different partitions than the "norm" - maybe the LCD is different, as well. All speculation, of course.
The viewing angle was the only thing I was worried about on this device prior to purchase as this was the main complaint, but after receiving it, its not as bad as some people made it to be, really some people are just really picky. I'm usually really anal about these things too but it is really not that bad.
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Maybe different batches have different screens. Mine is terrible if I hold it in portrait and look at it straight on. I have to tilt it to one side to make it usable unless it's completely dark.
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Ditto whoever says it is good must own a white and orange cane
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Ditto whoever says it is good must own a white and orange cane
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There's a difference between good and good enough. The screen is good enough. Could be better, but works fine. I think most "positive" responses are of similar mind.
My workaround is to place a gum eraser underneath the top of the unit when I'm using it at the kitchen counter. The extra 1 1/2" of tilt helps viewing and the eraser doesn't slip.
An annoyance but definitely not a show stopper for me....
Can someone post a picture of what this viewing angle issue. I see so many references too it, bit I can't get a good visual of what people are taking about
I just ditched my Notion ink Adam for the mighty Xoom. I'm glad to say I'm impressed. Now for the reason behind my post. Is it normal to see a diamond like pattern(what I suspect to be the digitizer) behind the glass.... I first noticed it while playing with the youtube app. The deep black colors gave way to what I thought was just noise from the video, but after looking at it on an angle with the screen off you can definitely see the pattern.
Is this normal? Last I remember seeing a digitizer was on my Mogul.
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A small moire type pattern or a large contrast difference pattern. I have seen the large pattern occasionally. It doesn't seem to interfere with actual usage.
it the screen capacitive touch sensors (dunno the technical term). i can see it on just about every touch screen except the ipad - go figure.
the 101 is a crosshatch, the nook color are dots, this xoom is a crosshatch with some kind of checker pattern.
I figured it was normal, just didn't expect it to be so profound. It has no hindering effect on user experience. I hope people don't take this and blow it out of proportion as a flaw...lol
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I figured it was normal, just didn't expect it to be so profound. It has no hindering effect on user experience. I hope people don't take this and blow it out of proportion as a flaw...lol
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They probably will.. lol I've seen people make issues of of something trivial like a button squeaking when you press it.. I can already picture people saying "my xoom screen is messed up"
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yeah the only time you notice it will be on dark scenes/backgrounds with ambient light and holding it at a certain angle. the 101 is more predominant but it's really not a bother.
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Hi everyone. I just bought my wifi-only model from Staples today (Sunday). I noticed a little "problem" with the LCD panel when I turned it on, but disregarded it.
While watching a movie, I noticed the issue in full force. When a movie file is playing and there is a black background, I can see "mini-panels" and it's very distracting. I don't see this on a solid black background without media playing so I'm guessing it's something with the backlight. I'm attaching a photo (glad I was able to capture it this way!).
Anyone else seeing this? I didn't look close enough at the store's display.
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Hi everyone. I just bought my wifi-only model from Staples today (Sunday). I noticed a little "problem" with the LCD panel when I turned it on, but disregarded it.
While watching a movie, I noticed the issue in full force. When a movie file is playing and there is a black background, I can see "mini-panels" and it's very distracting. I don't see this on a solid black background without media playing so I'm guessing it's something with the backlight. I'm attaching a photo (glad I was able to capture it this way!).
Anyone else seeing this? I didn't look close enough at the store's display.
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that's the capacitive sensors. i wonder how apple hides theirs.
Ive got them too, didnt notice it on any other devices ive used but its just the capacitor mesh that moto decided to use. My glass almost seems wavy as well (like not 100% flat) so not sure what my feelings are on that yet...
my guess on the waves is that it helps curb reflections.
Yeah what you guys are seeing is definitely the digitizer. On most touch screen devices you can see the digitizer at the right angle and with bright enough light (ie sunlight seems to bring it out the most). My guess is if you test this is a lower light setting you wont see any of the digitizer.
I have also noticed the digitizer on the xoom screen relatively easily.
well, ive just noticed the waves. i usually see small waves on screens but these are warps. good thing i'm trying to pay attention to the image on screen instead of the reflection, lol.
I have seen little warps on the bottom of the screen like 1/3 or the way to the middle and 2/3 to the right side (like a couple inches off center on each side). They are also in the same relative position on the top. My guess is this is how the screen is attached? It would be great if someone could take a good look at theirs, it may take looking at the reflection of light in those spots to actually see the warp, but I would really like to know if it is just mine or it is on all of them. And BTW I see the digitizer too, but it is worse on my HTC inspire 4g.
Hey,
I'm really loving the transformer, but am getting tired of the build issues/quality control. My first asus transformer had wifi issues (verified by asus support) and awful backlight issues. I returned this for a new one (B50 revision) that has no backlight issues, but has awful creaking on the left side. The right side speaker is better than the left, but I can live with this.
With the awful creaking on the left side I decided to get a third (and now fourth transformer) to compare. These 3rd and 4th models are B60 revisions. The 3rd is unacceptable, but the 4th has no creaking (at least not yet) - When I move the two tablets the power button shakes/makes a noise.
Here's my question/concern- at the same brightness level (whether 50%, 100%, or somewhere in between) the color temperature/screen display of the B50 is MUCH superior than the B60. Using the default background, on the B50 model I find the blue sky to actually be blue and the white color/text of the unlock screen to be white.
On the B60, the blue sky is grayish and the white text/color on the unlock screen is a little yellowed. This is on both tablet 3 and tablet 4 (B60 revision)
If I never had a B50 to compare it to, I might be fine. But there is a big difference and I think that you would all agree screen quality is most important. (I mean, that's what you stare at when using the tablet) - The B60's just look a little washed.
Here's what I'm wondering- are all B60's this way? Has anyone compared the two screens? And, do you think I should just keep the B50 and deal with the creaks (because eventually my B60's will get them) or am I better off just adjusting to the lesser screen and keeping tablet 4 as its build is a little better?
I need to send two of the tablets back soon and unsure how to proceed.
Also, is there any way to adjust the color temperate/contrast/other settings?
Anyone experiencing color issues?
Your help is really appreciated, thanks!
I'm not trying to be a troll, but I am getting sick of these threads that are flooding the general section. Just pick the one that you want. The chance of getting one that is perfect and has no flaws seems to be very slim. Just weigh the pros and cons of each and decide for yourself what is more important (in this case creaking or screen quality).
I understand what you're saying, but I'm trying to find out if anyone else notices the color temperature is off on their B60? Everyone raves about this things IPS screen, but if the color is dull than I don't want to keep it. (Maybe I have two defective units, or maybe Asus changed the way they calibrate these things) And finally, I wanted to know if there is a way to adjust the screen other than changing brightness.
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I understand what you're saying, but I'm trying to find out if anyone else notices the color temperature is off on their B60? Everyone raves about this things IPS screen, but if the color is dull than I don't want to keep it. (Maybe I have two defective units, or maybe Asus changed the way they calibrate these things) And finally, I wanted to know if there is a way to adjust the screen other than changing brightness.
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Does it matter if anyone else notices it? No one else paid for your device. It obviously sounds like you want the screen of the b5, and the creaking isnt that awful.
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Does it matter if anyone else notices it? No one else paid for your device. It obviously sounds like you want the screen of the b5, and the creaking isnt that awful.
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Yes, I agree with what you just said, but am wondering if I try another b6 if it will improve.
The power button makes a noise when you move it? Is that really that big of a deal to you?
You've already gone through four units, give it a rest already.
Cool down people !!!
Being a hobby photographer myself noticing, that many other photographers use the TF, I think it's a very interesting find, that the B60's seem to have a very different color temperature than the B50's.
That was one of the reasons for MY decision to buy it ... the colors on my TF (B50) are great compared to the other current tablets, except the iPad.
But it's right, chances are nearly zero to get a perfect unit ... mine has slight light bleed and one dust speck under the screen glass, everything else is fine. Nevertheless I keep it to avoid getting an even worse unit.
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Hey,
I'm really loving the transformer, but am getting tired of the build issues/quality control. My first asus transformer had wifi issues (verified by asus support) and awful backlight issues. I returned this for a new one (B50 revision) that has no backlight issues, but has awful creaking on the left side. The right side speaker is better than the left, but I can live with this.
With the awful creaking on the left side I decided to get a third (and now fourth transformer) to compare. These 3rd and 4th models are B60 revisions. The 3rd is unacceptable, but the 4th has no creaking (at least not yet) - When I move the two tablets the power button shakes/makes a noise.
Here's my question/concern- at the same brightness level (whether 50%, 100%, or somewhere in between) the color temperature/screen display of the B50 is MUCH superior than the B60. Using the default background, on the B50 model I find the blue sky to actually be blue and the white color/text of the unlock screen to be white.
On the B60, the blue sky is grayish and the white text/color on the unlock screen is a little yellowed. This is on both tablet 3 and tablet 4 (B60 revision)
If I never had a B50 to compare it to, I might be fine. But there is a big difference and I think that you would all agree screen quality is most important. (I mean, that's what you stare at when using the tablet) - The B60's just look a little washed.
Here's what I'm wondering- are all B60's this way? Has anyone compared the two screens? And, do you think I should just keep the B50 and deal with the creaks (because eventually my B60's will get them) or am I better off just adjusting to the lesser screen and keeping tablet 4 as its build is a little better?
I need to send two of the tablets back soon and unsure how to proceed.
Also, is there any way to adjust the color temperate/contrast/other settings?
Anyone experiencing color issues?
Your help is really appreciated, thanks!
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I had the b50 and now the b60 and immediately noticed the warmer screen on the b60. colors are definitely not the same. i'm used to working on calibrated monitors for my work so i'm pretty sure it isn't just my mind playing tricks on me.
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...i'm pretty sure it isn't just my mind playing tricks on me.
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It has been reported elsewhere here too ... the B60 has a warmer color space ... there it was called "more yellow white tones".
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...i'm pretty sure it isn't just my mind playing tricks on me.
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It has been reported in a different thread too ... the B60 has a warmer color space ... there it was called "more yellow white tones".
I think we just need a "technical hardware problems" thread so that we don't have twenty threads a day saying I have this technical hardware problem!
It is confirmed that B60 tablet has warmer color than B50. See pic below. When put them side by side, B60 color looks terrible. Just my opinion. Maybe it look better for others.
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Maybe it look better for others.
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It's has a different color temperature ... seems closer to 6500 kelvin often used for desktop publishing and photo editing.
The B50 has a higher color temperature with more blue tones.
I have a B60, and there is no yellow where there should be white. If I compare with the pictures from the last post the screen looks like the B50.
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Hi. I just wanted to chime in.
I happen to own a B40 and have two B60's that I purchased for family. I did notice that the B60's have more of a yellowish hint on white (lower color temp) compared to my B40 with a cooler color temp, but has anyone also noticed a difference in brightness? My B40 looks much brighter than the B60's with brightness settings turned all the way up on both (about 10-15% brighter)
One other thing I noticed (isn't related to the screen), is that even though the B40 suffers from the audio balance issue whereas the B60 fixed it, the older revision has overall louder volume. It's as if they lowered the volume of the right speaker to match the left speaker, which match the volume of the newer batch TF's.
Anyway, that's it.
Oh, here's a picture of both screens side by side with both at max settings:
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Oh, here's a picture of both screens side by side with both at max settings:
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Nice comparision shot, which shows both color temperature and brightness difference.
Though most people might prefer the B40 in this regard, it tends a bit too far into the blue for accurate photo viewing, except in bright daylight.
I wish the TF's color temperatur would be adjustable ... this would be very helpful for photographers, who use it for photo presentations.
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One other thing I noticed (isn't related to the screen), is that even though the B40 suffers from the audio balance issue whereas the B60 fixed it, the older revision has overall louder volume. It's as if they lowered the volume of the right speaker to match the left speaker, which match the volume of the newer batch TF's.
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I have B40. I didn't notice audio balance issue but the volume of the speakers is... random. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's too low to discern what people are talkin in videos. It happens on the same videos. There is sth wrong with setting the volume. Also I find the colour temperature is a little too high.
hey he paid 400-500 bucks for somthing that is flawed wha is wrong with wanting to get something that has nothing wrong with it
They're not at all awesome!
I'm coming from a Galaxy Nexus (Amoled display) which has close to perfect black levels, and a ASUS Transformer (IPS display) which while it wasn't to brag about, it was better than the Galaxy Note 10.1's screen.
I was really looking forward to the PLS display on the Note, I heard nothing but great reviews on the tech, but this is really bad.
I mean the blacks aren't even even, its more purple than black.
Is this normal for PLS?
Is anyone else having this issue?
Were there any mods that can be done that fix this issue on other Samsung PLS tablets?
I don't see anything wrong with the black level but I haven't tried using the tablet in the dark yet. Don't compare AMOLED with LCD. LCD will always have ****ty black because of the backlight. The only LCD type I know that has decent black level is CPVA but it's not used in tablets and it's still far from perfect. Asus Transformer TF101 has much worse black level (I have both). Are you talkin about some newer Transformer? Or maybe your brightness is set too high?
Also keep in mind that a lot of websites don't use pure black fonts.
Try turning the display mode up to vibrant and reducing the the brightness.
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if he's referring to the infinity, it's got a very annoying dynamic contrast. the screen dims and brightens as the screen changes, but it's not very discreet at doing so. my main reason for rooting the tf700 was to disable this stupid feature.
I'm sure I'm missing aomething, but I have a decent sum tied up in a plasma and HT equipment to get blacks close to right at home, so am always amazed to see people moan about black levela on $500 mobile device. I'm still amazed I can watch pretty hifh quality movies and even live tv on a mobile device like this, and just cant imagime being worried about blacks unless just atrocious. Am I expecting too little froma device like this?
I was referring to the tf101, but I went to best buy again and compared it to the demo model and realized mine was completely off.
So I TiB backed it up, flash that bad boy back to stock and exchanged it. This new screen is way better.
Although the viewing angles aren't amazing its still an awesome tablet.
Yeah, the viewing angles are the only disappointment for me.
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Yeah, the viewing angles are the only disappointment for me.
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Ive never really gotten the whole viewing angle argument. I pretty much look right at my tablet when using it.
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mitchellvii said:
Ive never really gotten the whole viewing angle argument. I pretty much look right at my tablet when using it.
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maybe his significantly other has confiscated the device and the only way to use it is over her shoulder
mitchellvii said:
Ive never really gotten the whole viewing angle argument. I pretty much look right at my tablet when using it.
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Some are pretty bad like the iPad3 where if you're not directly front and center there is significant brightness fall off.
I am going to buy this tablet very soon but i heard from some people that there are some problems with it like lines flickering over screen and creaking bezels is this true or is it already fixed?
Both of those issues are still present. Black lines are still there and bezel creaks on every one of the units I have seen.
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Yes it is still present but those are actually EXTREMELY minor issues. Every electronic you buy will have something wrong with it. If its not when you buy it then probably later on. Why it is suggested to not unlock your tab for 2-3 months to make sure its working correctly.
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jordanmw said:
Both of those issues are still present. Black lines are still there and bezel creaks on every one of the units I have seen.
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Me thinks that you have an issue with the TF700
Oh how dreadful, the case creaks... Have you ever held an sgs3 or a galaxy tab2? Sounds more like a lousy horror flick.
You're obviously no gamer, or you'd know well enough the black lines are a vsync screentearing problem, and they happen with every app not designed to handle the device's higher resolution and refresh rate. Blame the devs, not the device. (face it, no other device has this high resolution, and the one that (nexus) does has people complaining about the same bloody thing.)
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You're obviously no gamer, or you'd know well enough the black lines are a vsync screentearing problem
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Not really - vsync-related screen tearing does not cause black lines and also is only visible with movement (especially horizontal movement). This effect appears on static images.
After a lot of research, my current theory about the black lines is that for some yet unknown reason the display controller is blocked from reading the framebuffer for a short time. Since the DC needs to refresh the panel 60 times per second, it must be able to continuously stream data from the framebuffer RAM to the display.
At 1920*1200 with a pixel clock of 154 MHz, the line rate is about 74 kHz - so shutting off the DC's RAM access for only 1/74000 second would cause a full black scanline.
noahvt said:
I am going to buy this tablet very soon but i heard from some people that there are some problems with it like lines flickering over screen and creaking bezels is this true or is it already fixed?
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For what it's worth, here's my anecdotal evidence having owned an Infinity since November:
- No black lines whatsoever. But I do *rarely* get some flickering (the whole screen seems to bounce left and right) that only lasts a split second. Some apps *do* get the occasional graphics glitch, such as non-textured polygons. Overall, it's nothing I ever think about and doesn't detract me from the tablet one bit.
- Don't know what you mean by creaking bezels - all around the screen? Or just the dock connection? I don't have any creaking. The dock connection does feel "looser" than in the beginning, but it never changes position. The tablet is heavy enough that you can easily cause it to tumble backward when docked, but if left alone it never falls back. I prefer the light weight of the tablet+dock to a solution with a heavier dock.
Overall I'm very very happy with this tablet. My only gripe is the office suites aren't perfect MS Office replacements (yet? ). Other than that I've been using it LOCKED and ROOTED on stock 4.2.1 for web browsing, laptop replacement (Word/PDF viewing and editing), gaming and e-book reader without major issues.
As I said in the beginning, this is purely anecdotal since I don't know anyone else who owns this tablet. Hope it helps!