Hey,
I'm really loving the transformer, but am getting tired of the build issues/quality control. My first asus transformer had wifi issues (verified by asus support) and awful backlight issues. I returned this for a new one (B50 revision) that has no backlight issues, but has awful creaking on the left side. The right side speaker is better than the left, but I can live with this.
With the awful creaking on the left side I decided to get a third (and now fourth transformer) to compare. These 3rd and 4th models are B60 revisions. The 3rd is unacceptable, but the 4th has no creaking (at least not yet) - When I move the two tablets the power button shakes/makes a noise.
Here's my question/concern- at the same brightness level (whether 50%, 100%, or somewhere in between) the color temperature/screen display of the B50 is MUCH superior than the B60. Using the default background, on the B50 model I find the blue sky to actually be blue and the white color/text of the unlock screen to be white.
On the B60, the blue sky is grayish and the white text/color on the unlock screen is a little yellowed. This is on both tablet 3 and tablet 4 (B60 revision)
If I never had a B50 to compare it to, I might be fine. But there is a big difference and I think that you would all agree screen quality is most important. (I mean, that's what you stare at when using the tablet) - The B60's just look a little washed.
Here's what I'm wondering- are all B60's this way? Has anyone compared the two screens? And, do you think I should just keep the B50 and deal with the creaks (because eventually my B60's will get them) or am I better off just adjusting to the lesser screen and keeping tablet 4 as its build is a little better?
I need to send two of the tablets back soon and unsure how to proceed.
Also, is there any way to adjust the color temperate/contrast/other settings?
Anyone experiencing color issues?
Your help is really appreciated, thanks!
I'm not trying to be a troll, but I am getting sick of these threads that are flooding the general section. Just pick the one that you want. The chance of getting one that is perfect and has no flaws seems to be very slim. Just weigh the pros and cons of each and decide for yourself what is more important (in this case creaking or screen quality).
I understand what you're saying, but I'm trying to find out if anyone else notices the color temperature is off on their B60? Everyone raves about this things IPS screen, but if the color is dull than I don't want to keep it. (Maybe I have two defective units, or maybe Asus changed the way they calibrate these things) And finally, I wanted to know if there is a way to adjust the screen other than changing brightness.
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I understand what you're saying, but I'm trying to find out if anyone else notices the color temperature is off on their B60? Everyone raves about this things IPS screen, but if the color is dull than I don't want to keep it. (Maybe I have two defective units, or maybe Asus changed the way they calibrate these things) And finally, I wanted to know if there is a way to adjust the screen other than changing brightness.
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Does it matter if anyone else notices it? No one else paid for your device. It obviously sounds like you want the screen of the b5, and the creaking isnt that awful.
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Does it matter if anyone else notices it? No one else paid for your device. It obviously sounds like you want the screen of the b5, and the creaking isnt that awful.
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Yes, I agree with what you just said, but am wondering if I try another b6 if it will improve.
The power button makes a noise when you move it? Is that really that big of a deal to you?
You've already gone through four units, give it a rest already.
Cool down people !!!
Being a hobby photographer myself noticing, that many other photographers use the TF, I think it's a very interesting find, that the B60's seem to have a very different color temperature than the B50's.
That was one of the reasons for MY decision to buy it ... the colors on my TF (B50) are great compared to the other current tablets, except the iPad.
But it's right, chances are nearly zero to get a perfect unit ... mine has slight light bleed and one dust speck under the screen glass, everything else is fine. Nevertheless I keep it to avoid getting an even worse unit.
d does said:
Hey,
I'm really loving the transformer, but am getting tired of the build issues/quality control. My first asus transformer had wifi issues (verified by asus support) and awful backlight issues. I returned this for a new one (B50 revision) that has no backlight issues, but has awful creaking on the left side. The right side speaker is better than the left, but I can live with this.
With the awful creaking on the left side I decided to get a third (and now fourth transformer) to compare. These 3rd and 4th models are B60 revisions. The 3rd is unacceptable, but the 4th has no creaking (at least not yet) - When I move the two tablets the power button shakes/makes a noise.
Here's my question/concern- at the same brightness level (whether 50%, 100%, or somewhere in between) the color temperature/screen display of the B50 is MUCH superior than the B60. Using the default background, on the B50 model I find the blue sky to actually be blue and the white color/text of the unlock screen to be white.
On the B60, the blue sky is grayish and the white text/color on the unlock screen is a little yellowed. This is on both tablet 3 and tablet 4 (B60 revision)
If I never had a B50 to compare it to, I might be fine. But there is a big difference and I think that you would all agree screen quality is most important. (I mean, that's what you stare at when using the tablet) - The B60's just look a little washed.
Here's what I'm wondering- are all B60's this way? Has anyone compared the two screens? And, do you think I should just keep the B50 and deal with the creaks (because eventually my B60's will get them) or am I better off just adjusting to the lesser screen and keeping tablet 4 as its build is a little better?
I need to send two of the tablets back soon and unsure how to proceed.
Also, is there any way to adjust the color temperate/contrast/other settings?
Anyone experiencing color issues?
Your help is really appreciated, thanks!
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I had the b50 and now the b60 and immediately noticed the warmer screen on the b60. colors are definitely not the same. i'm used to working on calibrated monitors for my work so i'm pretty sure it isn't just my mind playing tricks on me.
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...i'm pretty sure it isn't just my mind playing tricks on me.
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It has been reported elsewhere here too ... the B60 has a warmer color space ... there it was called "more yellow white tones".
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...i'm pretty sure it isn't just my mind playing tricks on me.
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It has been reported in a different thread too ... the B60 has a warmer color space ... there it was called "more yellow white tones".
I think we just need a "technical hardware problems" thread so that we don't have twenty threads a day saying I have this technical hardware problem!
It is confirmed that B60 tablet has warmer color than B50. See pic below. When put them side by side, B60 color looks terrible. Just my opinion. Maybe it look better for others.
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Maybe it look better for others.
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It's has a different color temperature ... seems closer to 6500 kelvin often used for desktop publishing and photo editing.
The B50 has a higher color temperature with more blue tones.
I have a B60, and there is no yellow where there should be white. If I compare with the pictures from the last post the screen looks like the B50.
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Hi. I just wanted to chime in.
I happen to own a B40 and have two B60's that I purchased for family. I did notice that the B60's have more of a yellowish hint on white (lower color temp) compared to my B40 with a cooler color temp, but has anyone also noticed a difference in brightness? My B40 looks much brighter than the B60's with brightness settings turned all the way up on both (about 10-15% brighter)
One other thing I noticed (isn't related to the screen), is that even though the B40 suffers from the audio balance issue whereas the B60 fixed it, the older revision has overall louder volume. It's as if they lowered the volume of the right speaker to match the left speaker, which match the volume of the newer batch TF's.
Anyway, that's it.
Oh, here's a picture of both screens side by side with both at max settings:
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Oh, here's a picture of both screens side by side with both at max settings:
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Nice comparision shot, which shows both color temperature and brightness difference.
Though most people might prefer the B40 in this regard, it tends a bit too far into the blue for accurate photo viewing, except in bright daylight.
I wish the TF's color temperatur would be adjustable ... this would be very helpful for photographers, who use it for photo presentations.
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One other thing I noticed (isn't related to the screen), is that even though the B40 suffers from the audio balance issue whereas the B60 fixed it, the older revision has overall louder volume. It's as if they lowered the volume of the right speaker to match the left speaker, which match the volume of the newer batch TF's.
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I have B40. I didn't notice audio balance issue but the volume of the speakers is... random. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's too low to discern what people are talkin in videos. It happens on the same videos. There is sth wrong with setting the volume. Also I find the colour temperature is a little too high.
hey he paid 400-500 bucks for somthing that is flawed wha is wrong with wanting to get something that has nothing wrong with it
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Has anyone else noticed the large amount of ghosting the Xoom display has? Its very prevalent to me, especially when a red or black object moves across the screen (red angry bird (especially when zoomed in), red icon on homescreen while scrolling (pew pew), black bars between gallery images, etc).
Its bothering me to the point of returning it (and looks like I'll have to eat the 15%/$90 restocking fee at Amazon). I'm wondering if the Asus Eee Pad Transformer or Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9/10.1 will have a better response rate. I know they both should have a better viewing angle with their IPS displays.
I have an ISF certificate and don't see any ghosting...
Really? Could it be I have a defective unit. I just find it hard to believe I would be the only one to have/see this.
Listen enable flash, then open this site on your xoom try to go full screen and tell me your findings.
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/testsoftware/ghosting.html
Btw I have ghosting as well, but never noticed it on before. Thanks for the heads up. Ill reply back when I get more info.
I have no ghosting at all on my nexus one, the screen size have a huge effect on ghosting btw, but just an fyi.
2 Days ago I've been playing DoodleJump on the Xoom, and noticed the game running faster (you can test this) ofcourse you'll have to be familiar with the usual pace of it on the phone version of the game.
I've suspected the frame rate per second to be higher on the Xoom than the Nexus one...which could also be factored in, in refresh rate and then added to the whole performance. Which could spark problems like the ghosting we are seeing.(if you ever tried emulating a PXS on a PC you'll know what I mean)
I know that the screen response time could be a major factor but I couldn't get any information regarding the specifics of this screen. (btw you could be holding two Xooms with different screens)
So my guess for now, is the problem is with the refresh rate on the screen or the way the JIT compiler emulates...which could be solved with an update or a software tweak. Take what I said about the software side of this with a grin of salt
wow horrendous ghosting!!!!! (Using the ghosting test above)
Bumping this thread. Just noticed this on my xoom! Is it normal?
Another test : try going to http://tinyurl.com/xoghost and watch the drumsets at the bottom of the page and the guy in the second last row of second page ghost when you scroll the pages up and down.
Sorry... just saw the responses to the thread. For some reason my email notifications were off.
I ended up returning my Xoom to Amazon while still in the 30 day window so I can't do any further testing. One of the primary reasons for returning was due to the screen ghosting (and overall screen quality). I've also got my eye on the Asus transformer with the IPS display, but it keeps getting delayed. I might just wait until fall reign the next wave of tablets come out... maybe something with a tegra 3
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I'm also seeing quite a bit of ghosting. Is this typical for xoom users?
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I'm also seeing quite a bit of ghosting. Is this typical for xoom users?
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It would seem so, It's absloutely terrible using the ghosting test linked. I'm getting a ghost the length of the actual cube trailing on my screen, in full screen. =/
ASUS Transformer doesnt suffer that much with the links you posted.
There are two different panels for xooms, one being AU optronics brand (typically sited as the cheap/crappy display) and the Sharp brand display which is supposed to be better.
I have the AU Optronics display and going to the ghosting URL linked previously I get terrible ghosting.
Can anyone with the sharp display test this and see what they see?
You can determine the display type by typing dmesg into a term emulator.
Sharp panels say: 'lcd_manfid=SHP'
AU panels say: 'lcd_manfid=AUO'
Now since dmesg is the kernal ring buffer you might need to reboot before you see it in your dmesg output.
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I'm not surprised by the ghosting on these displays. Every mobile device I've owned has ghosted horribly. Even a lot of monitors around the office do it, but people don't seem to notice or care. I've always used 2ms displays at my home setup because of this. That being said, I paid about twice what other displays of similar size cost. People don't want to see the price of their precious electronics going up without seeing more nice specs on the list. A low response time display won't sell as well as a faster CPU or RAM... If you find a market that is looking at those 2 specs then make them great. Cheap out on the rest.
Actually this ghosting effect is due to the speed at which the pixels can change from one color to another. Some displays have issues with different color transitions.
This is something that doesn't happen on my nexus ones amoled display. And most of my monitors that I have also don't have this issue, at least to the degree of the xoom. It is disappointing to see how cheap the xoom display is.
I bet my droidx doesn't suffer from this either.
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Maybe I'm crazy, but I began to notice ghosting on the screen, especially on the desktop after I upgraded to 3.2 Honeycomb.
If anyone can test whether the effect exists in 3.0 and 3.2, I appreciate it.
UK Xoom Wi-Fi only and I get ghosting too!
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UK Xoom Wi-Fi only and I get ghosting too!
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Yes, there's some ghosting, but so what? What does it actually affect? I haven't found any effect whatsoever.
Doesn't bother me. Just posting my findings.
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Doesn't bother me. Just posting my findings.
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I know...I wasn't shouting or anything ;^ )
I just think this ghosting thing is not a big deal.
Received my replacement transformer the other day and thought it was OK on initial inspection, in a darkened room.
But actually, when you pump the brightness up to full, looking at a black screen (downloaded a black jpeg to test it as in the galley app the software buttons fade out so you get a true picture) it is actually no better than the one I sent back.
So my question is, using that system - black jpeg, full brightness, is there anyone out there who has no light bleed, particularly around the bottom left hand corner?
Cos if there is, it looks like this baby is going back to Comet for a second replacement, and if everyone has it, then I guess I will have to assume its a manufacturing 'feature' and just live with it.
Cheers for your help folks.
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Glad there is somebody know knows how to test a LCD light bleed properly.
I have the exact same issue. Maybe its part of the design.
J
Check my post in the other light bleed thread. I'd be happy to explain more if you'd like: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13478882&postcount=111
I did everything you said, and see no light bleed in mine. I just got mine today.
I did everything you said, and see no light bleed in mine. I just got mine today.
Has anyone noticed a problem with going from manual brightness to auto, and it not auto adjusting?
No light bleed here.
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Zero light bleed for me as well.
at a very extreme angle i can see a little near the camera. doesn't bother me, i would have never noticed
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Received my replacement transformer the other day and thought it was OK on initial inspection, in a darkened room.
But actually, when you pump the brightness up to full, looking at a black screen (downloaded a black jpeg to test it as in the galley app the software buttons fade out so you get a true picture) it is actually no better than the one I sent back.
So my question is, using that system - black jpeg, full brightness, is there anyone out there who has no light bleed, particularly around the bottom left hand corner?
Cos if there is, it looks like this baby is going back to Comet for a second replacement, and if everyone has it, then I guess I will have to assume its a manufacturing 'feature' and just live with it.
Cheers for your help folks.
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I mean... you went through all that to find a defect? I know that we all want the perfect device but how often will the light bleed actually affect us?
I think I also have light bleed but I had to tilt the damn thing to find it and it seemed perfectly fine before reading these posts.
Does it really bother you that much that you're even willing to go through the hassle of exchanging it?
I first noticed it when I booted the tablet with the lights out in the room. I don't have any issues in normal use and it doesn't bother me enough that I'd want to send it back.
I just got my 32GB. I didn't notice it during the daytime, but at night I do see a little towards the top. But not to the point where it bothers me.
Got a couple of small spots along the bottom that i could live with only noticeable if you have light off and brightness at full, one of the corners has quite bad bleed, can see it on darkish screens without even turning lights off or even down.
Considering whether to return it.
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I mean... you went through all that to find a defect? I know that we all want the perfect device but how often will the light bleed actually affect us?
I think I also have light bleed but I had to tilt the damn thing to find it and it seemed perfectly fine before reading these posts.
Does it really bother you that much that you're even willing to go through the hassle of exchanging it?
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'All that' is not really all that to be honest. I downloaded a black jpeg and looked at it whilst sat here watching the telly, took about 30 seconds in all to show up a significant level of light leaking in from the bottom corner.
If you have to tilt your unit to find any light then its not going to be a problem for you. On mine it casts a glow on the bottom corner when I am sat with it on my lap in a normal living room with the table lamp on.
For me there is nothing wrong with wanting a perfect device, I am pretty sure that's what I paid for. Had it not been perfect then Comet would have it marked as 'seconds, and would have charged me quite a bit less.
As it is, it arrived direct from the factory with this defect, and as I have said before, on a £100 cheapie off eBay I would probably put up with it, but not at 400 quid.
Add to this, unless Asus receives units back to their factory with these issues pointed out they will be unaware of the problem and have no incentive to tighten up their manufacturing process.
I don't know what is going on over in the US, but I do know they are far less accepting of poor service/goods than we are in the UK, and if these problems exist in units being shipped over there they will be flying back to Asus at a great rate of knots, and this is with the Us Transformer costing CONSIDERABLY less than it does over here.
If you have a good one, I am happy for you, and slightly envious of you. I wish I did.
On the blue boot screen or setting screen there is massive light bleeding on right and left side (about 2 inches wide). However, when there is an image on the screen it looks fine. Unfortunately I don't have a wireless connection at home so I haven't tried putting any movies or 'black' jpegs on the device for further testing; but will do so tomorrow. My hope is that when playing movies it looks fine and if so I won't worry about it. Screen has good fidelity; speakers seem decent and unit feels lighter than the acer/xoom. Also build doesn't seem that bad.
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So far only immediate reactions are: Why didn't amazon put something in the shipping box like bubble wrap and what the @!#)(* no charging light? Even my $10 cell phone has a charging light.
I asked Asus phone support. They said there should be NO light bleed. I said a couple of times that mine is very slight, from the lower left corner, and he repeated that there shouldn't be any at all and that I should get a replacement.
I'm requesting a replacement anyway as my compass is broken, hopefully I can get one into my local Comet store so I can see for myself first.
A picture, as they say, paints a thousand words.
(and just to rub salt in the wound, discovered the gap along the side of the screen mentioned in another thread! 'Hello, is that Comet? I have something I need to discuss.....')
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80pSCclf9Eg
Light bleed here as well
Just wanted to chime in and say I have it too. At first I didn't notice it because I had just got it.. but after a while I found my eye being drawn down to the edges where there was light bleeding through. Its an unwelcome distraction and this unite will no doubt be exchanged for another one.
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I did everything you said, and see no light bleed in mine. I just got mine today.
Has anyone noticed a problem with going from manual brightness to auto, and it not auto adjusting?
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Auto adjusting works when you turn the screen off then back on.
i feel all of you. One time I bought a car and one of the tire pressures was off by the time I got home. I took the car back to the dealer several times til they got the tire pressures right on all four tires. Took a month to get it right. The nerve of these manufacturers.
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i feel all of you. One time I bought a car and one of the tire pressures was off by the time I got home. I took the car back to the dealer several times til they got the tire pressures right on all four tires. Took a month to get it right. The nerve of these manufacturers.
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No, this is more like buying a new car and your car doors or windows not shutting fully.
Hi all,
Picked up my One S on Monday and, so far, in almost every way it's my "perfect" phone - great feel, weight, crazy slick... just lovely.
However (and why is there ALWAYS an Achilles heel?), I'm really not happy about the screen. Ok, it's pentile, but so was my Desire (AMOLED one) and I never had a single problem with that. It's just this one seems so, well, pink! Not just in white balance, but there seems to be too much red everywhere - e.g. text on grey in Tweetdeck has crazy amounts of red fringing (especially noticeable on the yellow too), and the over saturated colours are almost too much (though not much more than my Desire, to be honest).
(Quick comparison of the screen temps attached)
I mean, seriously, that's not normal, right?
Am I the only person who seems to notice red / pink outlines on everything, am I the only person bothered by it, or am I just unlucky with this phone?
I went to Carphone to swap it, but they wouldn't because their manager was out and because I traded down from the X on Monday (flickering screen nightmare), so I had a play on their display model and I convinced myself the screen on that one was better! But, I'd love a second opinion!
Cheers!
Oh that's really pink! Will check mine when it finishes the first round charging.
I would say this isn't normal. On amoled Displays white areas appear a bit blueish or grey. But this red/pink looks unnormal
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no, this doesn't look normal. But the thin red and green outlines are caused by the pentile-matrix, this is normal.
Just download Screen Adjuster and increase blue and green values a bit and your red screen will be gone
That's a v. useful app! It's definitely taken the edge off (green & blue at +5), but I'll still pursue a replacement as the contrast has taken a bit of a hit now.
(I'm such a perfectionist!)
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Hi all,
Picked up my One S on Monday and, so far, in almost every way it's my "perfect" phone - great feel, weight, crazy slick... just lovely.
However (and why is there ALWAYS an Achilles heel?), I'm really not happy about the screen. Ok, it's pentile, but so was my Desire (AMOLED one) and I never had a single problem with that. It's just this one seems so, well, pink! Not just in white balance, but there seems to be too much red everywhere - e.g. text on grey in Tweetdeck has crazy amounts of red fringing (especially noticeable on the yellow too), and the over saturated colours are almost too much (though not much more than my Desire, to be honest).
(Quick comparison of the screen temps attached)
I mean, seriously, that's not normal, right?
Am I the only person who seems to notice red / pink outlines on everything, am I the only person bothered by it, or am I just unlucky with this phone?
I went to Carphone to swap it, but they wouldn't because their manager was out and because I traded down from the X on Monday (flickering screen nightmare), so I had a play on their display model and I convinced myself the screen on that one was better! But, I'd love a second opinion!
Cheers!
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I see an difference in the white background yes... but other that that? Nope... it's just you...
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I see an difference in the white background yes... but other that that? Nope... it's just you...
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Well, when I say "see" I meant on their own One S rather than on my screenshot.
I sometimes notice it being a bit pink when the brightness is set low, have you tired using auto brightness or putting it a bit higher?
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I sometimes notice it being a bit pink when the brightness is set low, have you tired using auto brightness or putting it a bit higher?
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Same here, it is pinkish only on low brightness.
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Same here, it is pinkish only on low brightness.
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Hmm. Other than at 100% brightness, it still seems pinkish. I finally get to persuade CPW to give me a replacement tomorrow...
That's looking odd definitely. Let us know if the replacement is better.
I haven't noticed any issue on mine
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mine screen is definitely on the warm side of things (meaning the whites are yellow'ish). seeing how One X has a yellow tint issue (different screen manufacturers involved it seems) and you're playing a screen lottery i wonder if One S is the same. slightly warmer screens is not an issue per se but a strong yellow tint definitely effects the overall brightness and sharpness. i would love to compare different units in store to see if One S with cooler screens actually exist.
the pink tint is a straight up defect, however.
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Hmm. Other than at 100% brightness, it still seems pinkish. I finally get to persuade CPW to give me a replacement tomorrow...
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This probably won't help you. It won't hurt I guess, but this is something that can be worked out with a software solution. The SGS had something called Voodoo Colors, and I'm assuming that at some point that'll make it to the One S, as it's an AMOLED device as well. The colors changing on low brightness is one of the characteristics of an AMOLED screen.
As a poster above recommended, install that tool and set adjust the values for now. In due time, this'll be worked out. HTC just didnt do a great job with their color profile.
Hope someone at Asus reads this!
Louder, front facing stereo speakers
Even louder speakers on the keyboard battery dock
Direct Power toggle switch for switching between internal tablet battery and keyboard dock battery (instead of charging the internal, which is only 40% efficient)
86 the touch pad to make room for a larger battery
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Hope someone at Asus reads this!
Louder, front facing stereo speakers
Even louder speakers on the keyboard battery dock
Direct Power toggle switch for switching between internal tablet battery and keyboard dock battery (instead of charging the internal, which is only 40% efficient)
86 the touch pad to make room for a larger battery
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How does one 86 something? I can guarantee all of this will not be on the new TF tablet.
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How does one 86 something? I can guarantee all of this will not be on the new TF tablet.
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That's too bad. It would've been cool if the new keyboard dock had loud built in speakers.
The audio on the TF700 is pretty low.
They're not going to get rid of the touchpad. That's like telling Ford to get rid of the steering wheel in their new cars. The point of a Transformer is that it's a Tablet/Laptop combo. I, for one, use the touchpad a lot.
If there's front facing speakers, the bezel will get even bigger. No, thanks. The GT2 10.1 has frontfacing speakers. And it's humongous. So much, in fact, that I believe they've been moved to the back in the GT3.
Speakers on the dock, not going to happen. A tablet doesn't send audio across the power plug. Also, Speakers on dock = less room for battery. You just asked for a bigger one..
Toggle switch, nope. Also not happening. Too messy for people who don't use the dock, and potentially too damaging to both batteries. Plus Google would have to incorporate the option into Android itself for it to work.
Bit unrealistic wishlist..
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They're not going to get rid of the touchpad. That's like telling Ford to get rid of the steering wheel in their new cars. The point of a Transformer is that it's a Tablet/Laptop combo. I, for one, use the touchpad a lot.
Speakers on the dock, not going to happen. Also, Speakers on dock = less room for battery. You just asked for a bigger one..
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Okay, leave the touch pad in. For me, it's too small to even be useful, esp when you have a touch screen.
If there's front facing speakers, the bezel will get even bigger. No, thanks. The GT2 10.1 has frontfacing speakers. And it's humongous. So much, in fact, that I believe they've been moved to the back in the GT3.
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Sorry, you're wrong. These are tablets, not phones. Phones will eventually have zero bezels. No way that same trend is going to happen with tablets. Tablets need bezels because that's what people use to hold them. The Nexus 10 has front firing speakers and it sounds better than any tablet. There's no harm is making a tablet bezel slightly larger, it just means more area for people to hold + larger chassis for larger batteries. The race to be thin and small (bezel-less) makes no sense if a tablet can only get 6hrs screen-on time.
A tablet doesn't send audio across the power plug.
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It's not a power plug, it's a proprietary Asus connector, so if they wanted to, they could send audio to more beefy speakers built into the dock.
Also, Speakers on dock = less room for battery.
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Sorry, you're wrong about this too....there's plenty of space on both sides of the touch pad to add some speakers. There is no battery underneath that horizontal area directly under and on both sides of the touchpad, it's empty space...a perfect place to add some some top firing speakers. Look it up, Google is your friend plus, adding awesome sounding speakers to the dock would give people another reason to buy the dock accessory...esp true since the speakers on the TF700 are weak and sound so low.
Toggle switch, nope. Also not happening. Too messy for people who don't use the dock, and potentially too damaging to both batteries. Plus Google would have to incorporate the option into Android itself for it to work.
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The toggle switch would be a software switch. Google wouldn't have to incorporate anything, this is Android. The manufacturers add things to it, not Google. How do you think the dual battery icon in the notifications area was made? You thought Google did that? LOL :laugh: Yea, Asus did not go to Google and ask them to do that for them. Asus did it themselves.
And there is no possible way that having a system with two batteries that can directly power the device is damaging to both batteries. Perhaps you don't understand that this concept is? The current battery system works by having the dock battery charge the tablet battery. This system is VERY INEFFICIENT, only about 40% efficient from my calculations. It's like having a 10Whr battery in the dock but only getting 4Whr of real battery use out of it because you're not using the power directly but instead using it to charge another battery. If Asus switched to a direct power dual battery system, you would get 100% battery use from the dock battery versus a pathetic 40% what we get now. It's like having a swappable battery in a phone. However, instead of swapping out the dead battery for a fresh one, you just flip a software toggle switch and the tablet starts using the dock's battery instead of the internal one.
The reason why Asus went with the dual battery charging system instead of a dual battery direct power system is because the former is easier to design, from an electrical engineering standpoint and therefore cheaper.
The touchpad is no smaller than the one on my 17.3" laptop.... I much prefer to have the option to use a touchpad, especially when I'm watching films. I use handcream fairly often, and the touchpad is a lifesaver. I don't want to have to clean my screen every other minute... And a mouse isn't useful without a surface.
The speakers aren't weak if you use the right app. Try Diceplayer. You can set it to 400%, my neighbours came over asking if I could please turn the sound down a notch.
I didn't say the bezel needed to dissapear, where did you get that one from? I said it should not get LARGER.
And they wouldn't add speakers to the dock... It would render their Audio Dock (which is meant for the speakers!) redundant. https://www.asus.com/Tablet_Mobile_Accessories/Audio_Dock/
There is a significant difference between adding another icon and changing the entire power schematic. Anyone can add a secondary battery image, most battery apps do it. Found an app yet that can change the power flow? No, didn't think so.
They've released pictures and it's pretty much identical in design.
That said. The notion is good.
Maybe not front facing speakers but speakers built into the dock would be immense
Exactly it looks to be using the same housing as the infinity does now so no dreams have come true this time.
My safest guess is that none of the things in your wish list is going to materialize, especially when all the hands-on videos have shown that the new Infinity will have the exact same design, ports, etc... as our tf700 (ASUS still can change things around, but it is highly unlikely). The speakers have never been my concern. What I would like ASUS to improve is actually the glossy screen, too much glare and reflection to use the tablet outside (even though the brightness is awesome).
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Okay, leave the touch pad in. For me, it's too small to even be useful, esp when you have a touch screen.
Sorry, you're wrong. These are tablets, not phones. Phones will eventually have zero bezels. No way that same trend is going to happen with tablets. Tablets need bezels because that's what people use to hold them. The Nexus 10 has front firing speakers and it sounds better than any tablet. There's no harm is making a tablet bezel slightly larger, it just means more area for people to hold + larger chassis for larger batteries. The race to be thin and small (bezel-less) makes no sense if a tablet can only get 6hrs screen-on time.
It's not a power plug, it's a proprietary Asus connector, so if they wanted to, they could send audio to more beefy speakers built into the dock.
Sorry, you're wrong about this too....there's plenty of space on both sides of the touch pad to add some speakers. There is no battery underneath that horizontal area directly under and on both sides of the touchpad, it's empty space...a perfect place to add some some top firing speakers. Look it up, Google is your friend plus, adding awesome sounding speakers to the dock would give people another reason to buy the dock accessory...esp true since the speakers on the TF700 are weak and sound so low.
The toggle switch would be a software switch. Google wouldn't have to incorporate anything, this is Android. The manufacturers add things to it, not Google. How do you think the dual battery icon in the notifications area was made? You thought Google did that? LOL :laugh: Yea, Asus did not go to Google and ask them to do that for them. Asus did it themselves.
And there is no possible way that having a system with two batteries that can directly power the device is damaging to both batteries. Perhaps you don't understand that this concept is? The current battery system works by having the dock battery charge the tablet battery. This system is VERY INEFFICIENT, only about 40% efficient from my calculations. It's like having a 10Whr battery in the dock but only getting 4Whr of real battery use out of it because you're not using the power directly but instead using it to charge another battery. If Asus switched to a direct power dual battery system, you would get 100% battery use from the dock battery versus a pathetic 40% what we get now. It's like having a swappable battery in a phone. However, instead of swapping out the dead battery for a fresh one, you just flip a software toggle switch and the tablet starts using the dock's battery instead of the internal one.
The reason why Asus went with the dual battery charging system instead of a dual battery direct power system is because the former is easier to design, from an electrical engineering standpoint and therefore cheaper.
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Say all you want ShadowLea = not Asus and I agree this wish less is very unrealistic. If they wanted that toggle switch thing you keep blabbing on about that maggicly makes the tablet more efficient they would have done it which I highly doubt the method you are getting at even works.You've taken Asus numbers and crunched them into your calculator, which is the wrong way to do it. This dock will only last under Asus testing standards but realistically it will never last that long.
Edit: I can agree on the dock speakers though.
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My safest guess is that none of the things in your wish list is going to materialize, especially when all the hands-on videos have shown that the new Infinity will have the exact same design, ports, etc... as our tf700 (ASUS still can change things around, but it is highly unlikely). The speakers have never been my concern. What I would like ASUS to improve is actually the glossy screen, too much glare and reflection to use the tablet outside (even though the brightness is awesome).
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Asus cant please everyone but a matted screen would be a horrrible idea for a tablet. Luckly this can be fixed by adding a glare resistant screen protector so everyone's happy
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Asus cant please everyone but a matted screen would be a horrrible idea for a tablet.
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Why? Because you could no longer use it as a mirror?
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Why? Because you could no longer use it as a mirror?
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no because it distorts the overall color and clarity of the screen and viewing angles are terrible making colors look strange at certin angles. plus you can not get screen protectors to make a matted screen look glossy which most people would preffer on a tablet but you can make a glossy screen glare resistant with a screen protector thus everyone is happy. Come on man think about it! luckily ASUS doesn't take ideas from these threads.
Edit: idk maybe its an age group thing
A matte screen reduces colour depths, sharpness and brightness by about 30%.
On other tabs i agree about the glare under light, but the tf700 is bright enough to compensate. If the screen brightness is higher than the environmental light, you cant see the glare.
And you can train your eyes to focus past the glare. (the same way you adapt to a HUD.)
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no because it distorts the overall color and clarity of the screen and viewing angles are terrible making colors look strange at certin angles. plus you can not get screen protectors to make a matted screen look glossy which most people would preffer on a tablet but you can make a glossy screen glare resistant with a screen protector thus everyone is happy. Come on man think about it! luckily ASUS doesn't take ideas from these threads.
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I did not suggest that ASUS should go with matte screen, the point is that they can try to reduce the glare. One way other OEMs achieve that is to use optically bonded displays, which can be found on the iPhone 5, Optimus G, HTC One, etc... Why shouldn't ASUS try the same thing? I am no expert, but it obviously works quite well for phones. Even the Retina MacBook Pro has some tricks to reduce glare.
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A matte screen reduces colour depths, sharpness and brightness by about 30%.
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Yes it does reduce overall contrast, but in increases readability in bright environments.
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On other tabs i agree about the glare under light, but the tf700 is bright enough to compensate.
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Bright enough for indoor use, but still unusable in sunlight. There is a good reason why ebook readers do not have a glossy display.
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If the screen brightness is higher than the environmental light, you cant see the glare.
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...which doesn't work e.g. with white text on a black background, the typical terminal emulation.
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And you can train your eyes to focus past the glare. (the same way you adapt to a HUD.)
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You don't read longer text on a HUD.
I don't say a matte display is *better* than a glossy one (and I agree that it is possible to apply a matte screen protector on a glossy display), but it does have its own advantages and disadvantages, and I don't think it's such "a horrrible idea".
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Yes it does reduce overall contrast, but in increases readability in bright environments.
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True. But I'd rather have to put on a temporary protector than give up the thing that makes this screen so beautiful.
Bright enough for indoor use, but still unusable in sunlight. There is a good reason why ebook readers do not have a glossy display.
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I have a matte erearder (for use in the moments when a 700 euro device is not a good idea, like at the beach or in less safe neighbourhoods.), but it's less readable than my TF700 in sunlight. Unless I make the stupid decision to directly reflect the sun in my face .
The TF700 is the only display I can read with sunglasses on, though. Everything else is just black or nearly black.
...which doesn't work e.g. with white text on a black background, the typical terminal emulation.
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I have all my ereader apps set to night mode, because I absolutely hate white backgrounds (hurts my eyes.). But I haven't had any readability issues with the TF700.
You don't read longer text on a HUD.
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I'd use Google Glass to read ebooks if I could afford one.
I don't say a matte display is *better* than a glossy one (and I agree that it is possible to apply a matte screen protector on a glossy display), but it does have its own advantages and disadvantages, and I don't think it's such "a horrrible idea".
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No, it's not a horrible idea. But if I had to choose between glossy and matte, i'd go with glossy.
I bought a matte screen protector last year. It made t screen look like a kind e-reader. Fantastic for reading books horrible for everything else. Took it off after week.
I don't know the solution to the direct sunlight problem.
sorry, I was accidentlly in the wrong thread
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My safest guess is that none of the things in your wish list is going to materialize, especially when all the hands-on videos have shown that the new Infinity will have the exact same design, ports, etc... as our tf700 (ASUS still can change things around, but it is highly unlikely). The speakers have never been my concern. What I would like ASUS to improve is actually the glossy screen, too much glare and reflection to use the tablet outside (even though the brightness is awesome).
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Yea, it's sad that the new dock looks essentially the same as the TF201 dock.
It's good for current dock owners but bad for Asus.
I will probably upgrade to the Infinity 4K but use my original TF201 dock.
They could've sold a new dock with every new tablet if they had built in speakers and a new power management system.
Yes, and it would have made a lot of upgrading customers very angry in the process.. The backwards dock compatibility is a favour to us.
If every tab had a new, incompatible dock, we would be complaining about being ripped off.
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Hello fellow XDA members,
In the past I started some threads regarding Samsung AMOLED display quality, especially for the Note devices.
Please see here if you are interessted:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
Now, with the S8+ (and the S8, the problem is the same), even the media recognized the display problems, known as "red tint", just google for it!
Samsung tells the people that this is due to wrong settings, and/or the adaptive display setting turned on! THIS IS NOT THE CASE!!!
I got 2 pieces of S8+ today, and both displays are not OK. One screen has the red tint issue, but only on the upper half of the screen.
The other device has no red tint, but is generally darker and looks more "washed out" and has a slight yellow tint.
So again the display lottery is back, it is only "luck of the draw" if you get a decent screen or not!!!
If you do not believe me just compare a few devices beneath each other with the exact same display settings. Turn adaptive display off, then go into the dialer and type *#0*#, with this you ensure the brightness settings are the same and you have the same sceen content on both devices. You will notice that every single device has a different screen quality (tint, evenness, ...)
What do you say? Acceptable or not?
With all of us over at the tmobile shipping thread we've been waiting and crying and hoping that we get our devices early....and then when we finally got our devices ****ty things like red tint leaves a sour taste in our mouths..sad really, samsung already made this device feel rushed with all the Bixby and fingerprint scanner awkward positioning and what did we do after the note 7 debacle? We forgave these fools...and now this?....i do feel bad for those that actually paid full retail price for these expensive devices and to unbox and realize the screen is pink...that right there is not how to say forgive us for our mistakes instead a huge f u to all the customers who were unlucky enough to get such a horrible display color....but I will say I won the lottery because out of the box my s8plus came out nice no red pinkish tint whites are white...but why am I still pissed? Because my note 4 was the same whites were white and then after a year or so my eyes were fixed on a strange color that was taking up half of the screen that came out of nowhere...so yes I will be forever paranoid with sammys displays now....if my s8plus came in like that I don't think I would've came back....but then again I'm here lol
Settle down guys, this will likely be fixed with a future fw given the attention its gotten, this is pretty simple for samsung to fix actually, all samsung needs to do is what video games have been doing for years; offer the user an option to calibrate based a sample image. Once thats in, the presets can be established based off of those generated values from the user selection.
It seems like they will indeed need to implement a fix of this sorts, because it does seem the displays hue varys from device to device.
Anyways, for the most part, I hardly notice it and it seems even, and the more I look at it, the more i can't make sense out of it? Seems to play tricks on my eyes... lol.
Beautiful phone and display though!
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Settle down guys, this will likely be fixed with a future fw given the attention its gotten, this is pretty simple for samsung to fix actually, all samsung needs to do is what video games have been doing for years, offer the user an option to calibrate based on a sample image provided, once thats in the presets can be established based off of those generated values.
It seems they will need to implement thia because the displays vary so from device to device.
Anyways, for the most part, I hardly notice it, it seems even, and the more look at it the more i can make sense out of it, seems to llay tricks on my eyes, lol.
Beautiful phone and display though!
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This is a hardware problem, a real software fix IS NOT POSSIBLE!!!
Samsung can only try to cammo the problem with increasing the range of the color-sliders in the display settings, so that you can turn down red more then now. But this wont fix that the red tint is NOT EVEN ACROSS THE DISPLAY!!
What else proves that this is a hardware error is that if you put 5 devices next to each other (with the exact same settings), each of them will look different in regard to screen quality! Believe me, I know what I'm talking about, see my previous threads regarding that!
I agree that it should be even otherwise you may have a hardware problem but my concern is your criticism has more to do with amoled in gerneral and what we are observing is a consequence of the tech used. Samsung is also pushing the boundries here too with the display tech so the norms for amoled to compare to may not even apply anymore. And your comment to my comment regarding masking the problem, there is a reason why every display on the planet has picture settings.. right? No 2 displays are exactly the same...
I just went through the crap with my Surface Pro 4 too, trust me, they are a good example of no 2 displays alike, must have went though at least 11 Surface Pro 4 on my mission for perfection display and I had to give up in the end because truth is, its still an awesome device!
that happens when you get the early batches of s8+
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that happens when you get the early batches of s8+
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Absolutely unacceptable reasoning. They shouldn't be putting out a product if the "early batches" are DEFECTIVE
Obviously it's a QC problem, which they seem to have some fairly big issues with, over and over.. They will lose customer faith if they keep doing this ****
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Absolutely unacceptable reasoning. They shouldn't be putting out a product if the "early batches" are DEFECTIVE
Obviously it's a QC problem, which they seem to have some fairly big issues with, over and over.. They will lose customer faith if they keep doing this ****
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Perhaps but then again why did you buy a phone from samsung in the first place?.....
I was in the Samsung store yesterday for the launch party. They had 3 S8+ on display next to eachother. Each was running the exact same retail mode, showing the exact same content at the exact same time.
One display was white, one was red hued, and one was pee yellow.
(No, it wasn't display calibration settings, I checked).
There are definitely quality control issues.
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I was in the Samsung store yesterday for the launch party. They had 3 S8+ on display next to eachother. Each was running the exact same retail mode, showing the exact same content at the exact same time.
One display was white, one was red hued, and one was pee yellow.
(No, it wasn't display calibration settings, I checked).
There are definitely quality control issues.
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And which of the 3 do you have?
I noticed a slight pinkish tint when the shipping screen protector was on, but looks ok without it.
Something slightly different this year is there seems to be a pink tinge on all four sides of the display (top, bottom, left and right). It's a very consistent along the sides of the screen and very noticeable, a few people here have also noticed it: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/help/red-tint-screen-t3592335
So it's not just another pink/yellow/blue/green spotty tinge problem, theres now uniformity with the example i've provided.
I've got the S8+ and the screen is not red at all. The left and right edges if anything have a slight blueish tone to them but I believe this to be the effect of the screen curving to the sides distorting the colour (Colour shift?).
Unless you have bought one and have the problem with it, you have no right to complain.
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And which of the 3 do you have?
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Mine had a very slight pink tinge when I got it, at the very top and bottom (maybe half the status bar thickness), and it's since gone way.
The over all display color was a little too warm for my liking, so I knocked the red slider down to half, and now it's fine.
Got me and the wife one yesterday from At&t. No red tint and best phone yet. I love it.
My display is freaking beautiful and I love the fingerprint location. I never had any trouble. My finger finds it very naturally
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TML1504 said:
Hello fellow XDA members,
In the past I started some threads regarding Samsung AMOLED display quality, especially for the Note devices.
Please see here if you are interessted:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
Now, with the S8+ (and the S8, the problem is the same), even the media recognized the display problems, known as "red tint", just google for it!
Samsung tells the people that this is due to wrong settings, and/or the adaptive display setting turned on! THIS IS NOT THE CASE!!!
I got 2 pieces of S8+ today, and both displays are not OK. One screen has the red tint issue, but only on the upper half of the screen.
The other device has no red tint, but is generally darker and looks more "washed out" and has a slight yellow tint.
So again the display lottery is back, it is only "luck of the draw" if you get a decent screen or not!!!
If you do not believe me just compare a few devices beneath each other with the exact same display settings. Turn adaptive display off, then go into the dialer and type *#0*#, with this you ensure the brightness settings are the same and you have the same sceen content on both devices. You will notice that every single device has a different screen quality (tint, evenness, ...)
What do you say? Acceptable or not?
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im not tying to be a jerk but just curious what happens when you cycle the --blue light filter-- button in the pull down menu with the wifi, Airplane mode ect.
reason i ask my displays is perfect but with the blue light filter on which is to reduce eyestrain ..then the display is very red
Really did not know they had this till i play around with it
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I've got the S8+ and the screen is not red at all. The left and right edges if anything have a slight blueish tone to them but I believe this to be the effect of the screen curving to the sides distorting the colour (Colour shift?).
Unless you have bought one and have the problem with it, you have no right to complain.
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I have an S8+ as per my posts in the other thread, so I have a right to complain.
Firstly, it could well be fixed by software, even if its uneven, HTC had issues with the camera doing this a number of years ago (big red spot in all pictures). It was fixed with software
Secondly, it might disappear with time. AMOLED, OLED and other self lighting technologies (like Plasma in TVs) have a bed in time, where some colour ranges need to burn in. I would suggest a full red screen using a screen tester app for a few hours, to see if it beds in the red.
Guys, I would like to take this device, there is a possibility of having a faded display?