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Complain about "bad" benchmarks on Raphael/Diamond/X1/Blackstone? Check -> Asus P565

Complain about "bad" benchmarks on Raphael/Diamond/X1/Blackstone? Check -> Asus P565
Hey !
I´m a happy Sony X1 User and have also owned a Raphael / Diamond / TyTN II / Tytn and more.
In the Raphael/Diamond/Blackstone/X1 Forums many people complain about the "bad" Benchmarks/Performance they get with their phones. Especially graphics-wise.
Sometime ago I heard about the new Asus P565 which is a Diamond-style Device (VGA, no keyboard, 2,8 inch Screen, few buttons, minimalistic design... ) but with a 800 Mhz Marvel CPU !
Since I owned several devices in the past I was interested in how this first "highend CPU" Device would do feel benchmark-like.
I searched the internet but got only one review from a chinese site
Some days ago it got available in Germany so.. I decided to buy and play with it. (I love gadgets )
What should I say... This device is performance-wise a dream come true !
I wish all of the above mentioned devices had this new CPU / graphicsdrivers inside...
You can play Games using Morphgear with Sound (on best settings ! 44.000 khz) and full screen flawlessly (any emulator). On the X1 you can do mostly the same when turning sound completly off and turning frameskipping ON.
Also you can use FPSEce 0.09.6 playing Playsation Games + Sound with a wopping 40-50 FPS (frames per second) ! Ridge Racer and Final Fantasy 7 run perfect now ! With my X1 or a Touch Pro you get 12-18 FPS and the games are mostly unplayable and unenjoyable.
I was blown away... Hopefully the next-gen devices from our favourite company will feature a performance like that too !
Wanna see some SPB Benchmark and -VS Benchmark 2007- results ?
Here we go :
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(Also available in the zip file below)
ALL Benchmarks are done using my own devices with the same performance tweaks and mostly the same software installed (making them comparable)
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Update 2009-01-05
I did also some Benchmarking with the newest SK-Tools.
Here we go :

The 800 Mhz Marvel CPU is very impressive. Only wish the P565 had a bigger screen. But the March 2009 Asus P835 Galaxy 7 will, and hopefully the same cpu!!

galaxys said:
The 800 Mhz Marvel CPU is very impressive. Only wish the P565 had a bigger screen. But the March 2009 Asus P835 Galaxy 7 will, and hopefully the same cpu!!
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Yeah, a 3,5 or 3,8 inch screen would be pretty nice !
But... The Galaxy 7 will feature only the same CPU as the X1 / Raphael and stuff... NOT a Marvell one...
Cant remember where but I read this on some Win Mobile News pages (MsMobiles/WMPoweruser etc.)
One more thing that bugs me with the Galaxy is that it will "feature" a scroll ball instead of a D-Pad. Iiiiih.
-> Not good for playing games.

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Asus-P835-phone-p_3332.html
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* Windows Mobile Professional; 6.1 Professional
# Processor
* Qualcomm MSM 7200A, 528 MHz
# Memory
* 256 MB RAM / 256 MB ROM
http://www.itechnews.net/2008/12/18/asus-p835-galaxy-7-pda-phone/
. The Asus P835 Galaxy 7 is powered by Qualcomm MSM7200A 528MHz processor, 256MB of RAM, and 256MB ROM. There is also 4GB flash storage.

well at least there's hope for quality drivers (not the crap that HTC accepts from qualcomm.)

Thanks for validating the point I made that the ASUS xscale is very fast without a GPU or FPU. Is the device any more expensive than an equivalent Qualcomm device? It's nice it even has the SiRFIII GPS chip so it lasts probably at least 3x better on battery than the Qualcomm GPSone.
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well at least there's hope for quality drivers (not the crap that HTC accepts from qualcomm.)
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Since it's a different CPU (Xscale same as Omnia) architecture, it is very difficult to hope for better drivers since some of it is probably optimized WMMX instructions available only to XScale.
Don't buy HTC/Qualcomm is the only sure way to avoid this headache.

anyone noticed that P565 despite all this top performance,
is absolute crap regarding the music score?
ONLY 370 for sound? for a high end device like this too bad...
what's wrong?

xeirwn said:
anyone noticed that P565 despite all this top performance,
is absolute crap regarding the music score?
ONLY 370 for sound? for a high end device like this too bad...
what's wrong?
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I noticed that too, but what does it really mean ?
You can hear music and stuff without problems with the P565...
Actually I thought lower=faster=better in this sound-benchmark...?
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I updated the first post. -> More Benchmark comparisons ! (SK-Tools)

xeirwn said:
anyone noticed that P565 despite all this top performance,
is absolute crap regarding the music score?
ONLY 370 for sound? for a high end device like this too bad...
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The Kaiser doesn't score that much better on the music score either and there's hasn't been much complaint about the Kaiser's music abilities (except for the crappy MIDI playback in my experience).

fards said:
The Asus P835 Galaxy 7 is powered by Qualcomm MSM7200A 528MHz processor, 256MB of RAM, and 256MB ROM. There is also 4GB flash storage.
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m.carroll said:
well at least there's hope for quality drivers (not the crap that HTC accepts from qualcomm.)
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since it's a qualcomm, it may have better drivers.
does the Asus have libgles_cm/l.dll support? This would make it the killer PDA!

Hi foto
I'm really interested in getting an ASUS 565 mainly for emulators, can you play landscape using dpad and mapping buttons to screen?
So im guessing FPSECE all games are payable? ? would be a dream come true!
Many thanks for your info!

hi there,i owned couple of wm devices in the past and let me put it this way:
asus has much better mainboards (they r genius ) so if you put same cpu in htc and asus pda ,the asus pda will win for sure ,no doubt.
marvell is another leage in cpu making ( i gave them the win since xda 2 mini,s100).
as we need more 2d performance (for the phone to feel fast and videoto run smooth ,fotos to load fast ....) ,qualcomm 528 cpu with graphic ship is fast as marvell cpu at 330.
3d performance is still mostly relying on cpu these days (dont know why qualcomm are so bad in this area even with there integrated 3d hardware ship.
i just go an xperia today,upgrading from a beast of power called asus p525.
my pda history
magician,wizard,universal,prophet,artemis,elf,xda flame (sold after 1 month ,too many issues) ,asus p525(my favorite) now se xperia x1

graphic card on msm7227 same as snapdragon qsd8650

msn7227 has same graphic processor as snapdragon QSD8650 (AMD z430)
here the proof
msm7227:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9480443&D=LGE
QSD8650:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9334470&D=LG GW820
thats very good for the upcoming 7227 devices..

lol
Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?

tsalta said:
lol
Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?
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no i dont think so ...
blackstone has msm7201a that has the old generation graphics Q3Dimension MSM7500W
and the msm7227 ,Snapdragon QSD8250 B and QSD8650 has AMD z430 .
i am waiting for the msm7227 3d benchmarks to how good are they really..

hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.

Cotulla said:
hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.
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i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.

sx1-doc said:
i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.
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It wouldn't affect it. Snapdragon has faster CPU and supports 720p video where 7227 supports only WVGA and has 600mhz ARM11 CPU.
They're in completely different leagues.

MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast

Cotulla said:
MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast
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i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.

sx1-doc said:
i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.
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Do you even know what you're talking about?
MSM7227 is nothing more than upgraded MSM7201 which is by many users considered piece of sh*t.
Compared to qsd8250 it is nothing but low end.
Besides 600mhz ARM11 CPU can't compete with any higher end device, so making it a minimum for WP7S would be pointless, especially considering the timeframe.
So stop whining. I don't see people whining about ipad having 1Ghz CPU...
Other way around. If MS would make lower minimum requirements people would complain that they are not competitive where others use better parts.
P.S. You can't run XP on it! XP is x86 based not ARM based so there is no way you could run it.
For ubuntu I would recommend something faster than 600mhz...

Maybe it's not fast enough for ubuntu or Win7 or whatever, but thanks for that info. HTC just put out the Legend, an android device, which is supposed to supersede the HTC Hero. From what we've seen there was nothing substantial to differentiate the 2 (apart from a dozen of Mhz clockspeed and some ram), but this is quite substancial news to us

it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).

sx1-doc said:
it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).
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To port WP7 you need drivers. We don't have them. To make drivers you need band of developers spending their free time trying to write them all by themselves or at best trying to port drivers from newer devices.
Only device which could probably/maybe run WP7 is HD2. End of story.
Don't fool yourself thinking that WP7 will be ported for old QVGA devices or even newer devices like Diamond, X1 or even HD(Blackstone) and not just because of MS but because ODM don't want to invest in old devices when they can invest in newer(which they can then sell and get some profit from it). End of story.
About msm7227. It's not bad. It is what msm7201 should be from the beginning but unfortunately now it is nothing more than mid class.

Of course this chipset has a less performant cpu than the snapdragon, but since they have the same gpu they will offer equal 3d performance. My demo here shows that the HD2 is very powerfull when it comes to extensive per-pixel calculations. The demo uses the gpu as much as possible, the speed of the cpu doesn't matter. So I think that my demo might run even faster on the HD mini than on the HD2, since it has less that half that much pixels compared to the HD2. We'll see
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Epic fail
All i have to say is -Mytouch 3g slide-. this entire thread is one "Epic fail" of, well , i guess some sort of debate of wits. The MTS has the ARM 600 and it is BEAST!!!! Say what you will about this comment but the fact remains that this phone has proven you all wrong. Cheap, low-end, crap..... none of it true when HTC and Android 2.1 combined to use this hardware and created this device...
$h4m3 0/\/ +h3 (_)/\/1337 h4xx0r

[Q] What is your dream phone?

What's your dream phone?
Mine would be an Android phone (Of course) Running Gingerbread at least, cut from a single block of aluminium, with the psychical buttons and optical trackpad of the HD2 (with the standard android buttons. (Home, Menu, [Trackpad], Conjoined Back and Search buttons)), the 4.3" SAMOLED+ Screen of the SGS2 covered in Gorilla Glass, the 1.2ghz Dual-core snapdragon with Andreno 220, HTC Sense (I love it, but that's just me.) A nice loud speaker, 8MP camera of the Thunderbolt, i don't care for front facing cameras. HTC Made by all means.

Hmm.... im thinking the Galaxy.S 2 with a 4.5 inch screen; the same specs and....
A notification light.with multiple colors.
Captivate 2.2.1 OCed
Atrix Root
Nexus 1 2.3.3

The Dell Venue Pro pretty much hit the nail on the head for me. Great OS, great device, all around amazing phone and I don't think there's much aside from the iphone 4 that even comes close in build quality.

A combination of the Nexus One and the Desire, but with an Intel Core i7 990x Extreme Six Core processor, a nuclear battery (because otherwise it won't last more than 2 minutes ), 8 gigs of RAM and 128GB integrated storage (with a sdcard slot, of course).

Korntoff said:
What's your dream phone?
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I already have it. My Optimus T P509!
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1.5ghz dual core
+1gb ROM / +1gb RAM
4.5in AMOLED
<9mm thin

Htc desire hd 2 :d

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HTC Desire HD7 SuperMozart
Hha lol..
Running Jelly 2.5 (maybe)
Qualcomm DragonBuster Q9990
2.3 Ghz with Quad Core
GPU : Ati Radeon ®HD 2Gb
RAM 3GB Upgradable to 8GB
Internal Storage 32Gb
External Storage up to 160Gb
NanoSamoled 4.3"
Battery 4000Mhz
Price $400
HD2 TMOUSA
rom : TyphoonCyanogenMod 7
radio: 2.15.50.14
LINTEAM LEADER(gpu dev)

I've already got.........DESIRE HD would be fine...but for God's sake can i have a battery more than 3000mAh?
HTC always make powerful phones and crap battery ration...

Dream Phone
My dream phone is Iphone 4

4+ Cores on the CPU.
2+ Cores on the GPU.
2GB+ Ram.
32GB+ Internal Memory.
8MP+ Camera.
High DPI SAMOLED+.
Fuel Cell Battery.
Manufactured by - Who knows =D

Neural powered sub-skin chip device with on-demand holographic/on retina interface and memory access to unused brain cells.

OS: The lastest of Android OS
Bootloader: Unlocked
Manufactured by: Not Motorola
That's my dream phone.

Looks like i'm reading a science fiction.....even the nervous system

Realistic dream phone:Start with specs akin to that of the GS2, except with this screen and work from there.
HTC's aluminium unibody style/build qulaity.
Big-ass battery without the phone needing to be huge.​

Dream phone? Hmmm that's good question. I think I would like 1Qbit processor minimum with a hologram output and the device to be so small I can just wear it as a ring, on a key chain or something like that.
lol, probably a good 20+ years away but I wish to see that one day.

bududroid said:
HTC Desire HD7 SuperMozart
Hha lol..
Running Jelly 2.5 (maybe)
Qualcomm DragonBuster Q9990
2.3 Ghz with Quad Core
GPU : Ati Radeon ®HD 2Gb
RAM 3GB Upgradable to 8GB
Internal Storage 32Gb
External Storage up to 160Gb
NanoSamoled 4.3"
Battery 4000Mhz
Price $400
HD2 TMOUSA
rom : TyphoonCyanogenMod 7
radio: 2.15.50.14
LINTEAM LEADER(gpu dev)
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That quadrant is 90% 2D graphics! Imagine Angry birds on that beast. Even though the Nexus One has more CPU power than it.

Of course CPU is down because i underclock at 746Mhz
Its implementation on HD2driver hope i succesfully finish the amazing project
Korntoff said:
That quadrant is 90% 2D graphics! Imagine Angry birds on that beast. Even though the Nexus One has more CPU power than it.
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HD2 TMOUSA
rom : TyphoonCyanogenMod 7
radio: 2.15.50.14
LINTEAM LEADER(gpu dev)

quadcore CPU
some kind of nvidia gpu
2 gb ram
8MP+ camera with a bit bigger sensor
QWERTZ keyboard (yes german of course ^^)
android OS

I've been waiting for the iphone for a long time now to come to verizon but now that it has i'm not sure it's my dream phone anymore. I've been eyeing the htv evo 4g.

[INFO] Samsung Galaxy S 2 vs HTC Sensation: Battle of the dual core beasts.

*Display
HTC Sensation : 4.3-inch SLCD 540 x 960 pixel resolution [Gorilla Glass]
Samsung Galaxy S 2 : 4.27-inch Super AMOLED Plus 480 x 800 pixel resolution [Gorilla Glass]
*Processor
HTC Sensation : 1.2 GHz Qualcomm MSM 8260 Dual-core
Samsung Galaxy S 2 : 1.2 GHz XMM6260 Dual-core
*Camera
HTC Sensation : 8-megapixel back with autofocus, dual-LED flash, VGA 1.3-megapixels front
Samsung Galaxy S 2 : 8-megapixel back with autofocus, single-LED flash, 2-megapixel front
*RAM
HTC Sensation : 768 MB
Samsung Galaxy S 2 : 1024 MB
*Internal Memory
HTC Sensation : 1 GB
Samsung Galaxy S 2 : 16GB
*Weight
HTC Sensation : 148 grams (5.22 ounces)
Samsung Galaxy S 2 : 116 grams (4.09 ounces)
*Size
HTC Sensation : 126.1 x 65.4 x 11.3 mm
Samsung Galaxy S 2 : 125.3 x 66.1 x 8.49 mm
*Battery
HTC Sensation : 1520 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S 2 : 1650 mAh
HTC Sensation
*1.2 GHz dual-core processor, Adreno 220 GPU, Qualcomm MSM8660 chipset
*126.1 x 65.4 x 11.3 mm
*Latest fully customized HTC Sense UI
*4.3-inch S-LCD Touchscreen with 540 x 960 pixels resolution
*3G, Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi Hotspot, DLNA, GPS with A-GPS support
*Bluetooth 3.0 with A2DP and EDR
*8 Megapixel camera with autofocus and LED Flash
*1.3 Megapixel secondary camera
*Memory expandable up to 32 GB
*1GB internal storage,768MB Ram,8GB card included
*1080p video playback & capture
*DivX/XviD/MP4/H.263/H.264/WMV player
*MicroUSB (MHL) doubles as an hdmi port
*1520 mAh Battery
*Gyroscope
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SGS 2
*125.3 x 66.1 x 8.5 mm
*4.3-inch Super Amoled Plus touchscreen with 800 x 480 pixels resolution
*Dual-core 1.2GHz ARM Cortex-A9 proccessor, Mali-400MP GPU, Orion chipset
*3G, Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi Hotspot, DLNA, GPS with A-GPS support
*WiFi N 2.4 Ghz & 5.0 Ghz support
*Bluetooth 3.0 with A2DP and EDR
*8 Megapixel camera with autofocus and LED Flash
*2 Megapixel secondary camera
*Memory expandable up to 32 GB
*16GB or 32GB internal storage,1GB Ram
*1080p video playback & capture
*DivX/XviD/MP4/H.263/H.264/WMV player
*MicroUSB (MHL) doubles as an hdmi port
*1650 mAh Battery
*Gyroscope

Will update it accordingly,,if anyone has even more points,kindly let me know

Do they both support mkv format?
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I guess we should hear some more details today via the HTC announcement.
Certainly looking more forward to the SAMSUNG event tomorrow.

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Yes i am sure SGS 2 does & likewise Sensation should also support mkv{more on Sensation after today's announcement}

android_master said:
Yes i am sure SGS 2 does & likewise Sensation should also support mkv{more on Sensation after today's announcement}
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I think that HTC will be like the other "S's" (Desire S, Incredible S, etc) models of that manufacturer, meaning they will be lamy poor in codec support other than MP4

touness69 said:
I think that HTC will be like the other "S's" (Desire S, Incredible S, etc) models of that manufacturer, meaning they will be lamy poor in codec support other than MP4
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Well,I'm watching the event streaming live now
Here's the Video

Awesome video...
Seriously it could give SGS II a run for its money. Perhaps thats why they pulled back and uped the speeds to 1.2Ghz.

dhruvmalik said:
Awesome video...
Seriously it could give SGS II a run for its money. Perhaps thats why they pulled back and uped the speeds to 1.2Ghz.
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Yes,it will be pretty tuff for both of them

Here is the GSMArena's media coverage.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_london_2011-review-586.php
Seems like they are updating the news slowly bur surely.

dhruvmalik said:
Here is the GSMArena's media coverage.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_london_2011-review-586.php
Seems like they are updating the news slowly bur surely.
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Here it is full news

Dissapointed with HTC again... they could really do better... I don't like the design at all, curvy.. yuck
And also I don't think that the new Qualcomm processor will be better than Tegra or Exynos.
Still 1GB Storage... wtf? It isn't 2007 anymore.
And it has a weak battery again... oh I should shut up now.
I've already preordered the SGS2 and won't cancel my preorder.. the only thing that I will miss is the Sense experience and the HTC logo.
EDIT:
Here is the comparison in GSMArena:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3875&idPhone2=3621

It would've been the Sensation for me, but being stuck with my Nokia E65, I'm not willing to wait any longer! SGS2 it is!

WTF ???! Dissappointed
Now I think that the choice is pretty simple

Yes, after seeing its Qualcomm, certainly sticking with the SGS II.

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3875&idPhone2=3621
there's no competition, the SGS 2 is Thinner, lighter, and blasts the HTC; sensationless.

dhruvmalik said:
Yes, after seeing its Qualcomm, certainly sticking with the SGS II.
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I think you are underestimating Snapdragon by a very long way.
The 45nm Snapdragon with the Adreno 205 GPU{found in myTouch 4G which in no way is slow} changed things as it roughly doubled GPU performance. The Adreno 220 brings about another doubling in GPU performance.:
So counting it out will be a bad deal,the only real working/in production lineup is Optimus 2X {Nvidia Tegra 2}.Wait for SGS 2 with Exynos & this one with Latest dual core Snapdragon & then we can see.

I would not underestimate the performance of qualcomm. look up anandtech for the benchmark especially of the new adreno 220. qualcomm has done a darn good job in graphics part considering how shIIty there previous gen adrenos. were. i know the review is of a reference hardware and is clocked at 1.5 ghz.

touness69 said:
WTF ???! Dissappointed
Now I think that the choice is pretty simple
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Good post, completely agree with you
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awesome-member said:
I would not underestimate the performance of qualcomm. look up anandtech for the benchmark especially of the new adreno 220. qualcomm has done a darn good job in graphics part considering how shIIty there previous gen adrenos. were. i know the review is of a reference hardware and is clocked at 1.5 ghz.
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One of my friend has recently got LG Optimus 2X,i played with it for almost 2 days.Was even then hearing a lot of crap about Tegra 2 performance & that time also people were comparing it with Exynos & believe me except for Web Browsing,Optimus 2X rarely slows down,there were just no lags,almost every game plays very well in it.Camera performance,hdmi mirroring all were pretty fast.
Likewise i expect HTC Sensation to also perform similarly.Apart from difference in screen technologies there is apparently not much to choose from both of these great devices.
Battery performance & lower Ram{but still>700MB is hell lot} might be a concern for some one.

Benchmarks

OK, owners of Flex 2 please run some benches, at least Antutu , but it better to run some more from that topic

What does bench marks do or show?

mine
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yellowman82 said:
What does bench marks do or show?
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Go troll somewhere on reddit

Billy Madison said:
Go troll somewhere on reddit
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That's the best that you got? And reason I'm asking is because well i really don't know much about benchmark except that the device with the higher e-penis numbers is maybe the best device and since most folks say benchmarks barely means anything as long as real world usage and performance is great. But hey if you need some e-penis numbers i can show you mines when i get the device lol.

Benchmarks show how much SoC power you got. We're to the point where hardware isn't a problem for UI smoothness, but the software. Android still has scrolling frame drops, and the only way I fixed it was making the min CPU freq to at least 1.19ghz. You can optimize a phone as much as you want to the point where it's the smoothest in UI, but I know for a fact you wouldn't like it when things like emulators/rendering a video to a smaller resolution/heavy gaming/extracting and compressing performance is slower than other phones. The day and age where benchmarks (Quadrant/Linpack) don't matter are over, they do now. Now you should take Antutu with a grain of salt, but Geekbench/GFXBench will show what your device is truly capable of. It's like you're given two PCs with identical hardware (SSD/High end GPU etc) but the CPU in one is an Intel Pentium G3258 and the other is a 4690K. They'll both perform just fine in the OS, only way to find out is with reliable benchmarks.

i heard lg g flex 2 have snapdragon 810.. and i have a question
snapdragon 810 (gflex2,minotepro,) vs tegra K1 64bit(nexus 9), which more better(antutu benchmark score)?
snapdragon 810 usually have 50k+ antutu score
i have z1 compact with 41k antutu benchmark, the normal benchmark is 30k-35k
lg g flex 2 antutu score can be different, but usually is 50K+
sorry newbie :crying:

silentroom said:
i heard lg g flex 2 have snapdragon 810.. and i have a question
snapdragon 810 (gflex2,minotepro,) vs tegra K1 64bit(nexus 9), which more better(antutu benchmark score)?
snapdragon 810 usually have 50k+ antutu score
i have z1 compact with 41k antutu benchmark, the normal benchmark is 30k-35k
lg g flex 2 antutu score can be different, but usually is 50K+
sorry newbie :crying:
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I personally prefer the snapdragon 810 chip, but the tegra K1 is also a very nice chip, the core frequency just not as nice as the 810..
Just my personal opinion

yellowman82 said:
since most folks say benchmarks barely means anything as long as real world usage and performance is great
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Some ppl agree with your position. And it's fine. You may not care for benchmarks at all. But some other ppl do care, like this example. So, benchmarks can show problems in software implementation of kernel CPU government. Or problems with hardware implementation of proper CPU cooling, like example. And some ppl may want to not pay for such software or hardware crippled devices, it's there choice, they vote by there money and demand vendors to pay proper attention to engineering

High on Android has his up on YouTube.
The Korean model scored 41276 on 64bit then 37754 on 32bit out of the box.

This was my first. Second, third, and fourth were slightly lower, but nothing has been under 50k so far. Every test was run side by side against my Nexus 6 and the Flex 2 beat it every time. This baby really flies. Here's to hoping it gets some strong Dev support!

G Flex 2 is available now where?

lopri said:
G Flex 2 is available now where?
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Good afternoon, no... it will be available on the market starting from 2th March. It has only sent to major carriers.

wolfgart said:
mine
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I got higher than that on Moto Maxx with an 805

zombioptic said:
This was my first. Second, third, and fourth were slightly lower, but nothing has been under 50k so far. Every test was run side by side against my Nexus 6 and the Flex 2 beat it every time. This baby really flies. Here's to hoping it gets some strong Dev support!
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what is youre SOC revision ? ( use CPU-Z app )
like this :

MEGAX91 said:
what is youre SOC revision ? ( use CPU-Z app )
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Mine is...

jongilluley said:
Mine is...
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i thought , Snapdragon 810 lithography is 20 nm !!!!
since when snapdragon 810 use krait 450 architecture !!!

MEGAX91 said:
i thought , Snapdragon 810 lithography is 20 nm !!!!
since when snapdragon 810 use krait 450 architecture !!!
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That is what i thought as well. Supposed to be 20nm instead of 28nm like the 805.

Here is my first Antutu bench. 16GB Silver european model (H955)...
Not very bad, at the same level of HTC One M9...
http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.co....png?key=UDgIAwmmRRaOPjLGlvUUiQ&ts=1426441144

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That is what i thought as well. Supposed to be 20nm instead of 28nm like the 805.
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Its weird as it should be 20nm but never shows ut no matter what i do haha.
Tried a couple of other apps and they are the same. One app tells me that its revision 2 of the cpu so maybe some changes are being made for heat issues etc? But i cant find anything and im getting good benchmark scores each and everytime with no lagging or throttling yet.
And speeds are good on benchmarks and are running in 64bit mode on antutu so im happy hehe.