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Q) Need advice in choosing my next phone

Hello there!
Currently, I'm in possession of a Motorola Milestone. Great phone, but the slightly outdated RAM, crappy update support and locked bootloader made me crave for a new phone. With all the new stuff coming out this year, I'm not entirely sure of my decision. Because of the great hardware specs (dualcore processor, 1GB RAM etc.) the Galaxy S2 I9100 pulled my interest. But I'm not entirely sure if a non-TouchWIZ UI custom ROM can be installed, and if not, I'm wondering wether the Touchwiz provides a android-worthy experience. Any thoughts on this?
The most important thing is that my new smartphone will stay relevant for a good while. With my Milestone (which I bought way too late anyway) I couldn't run games like Dungeon Defenders, which has been released a few months after buying this phone.
Any advice from the experts would be greatly appreciated.
Edit: A Tegra 2 processor seems attractive, is this processor worthwhile?

Wait for the HTC Sensation
Dual core CPU @ 1.2 GHz,Tegra 2 procesor,1080p recording,1GB of RAM,4.3" screen and a resolution "Retina" like,its actually a qHD LCD screen

I'd go with the Droid Bionic!

Hexbug said:
I'd go with the Droid Bionic!
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reflexEagle said:
Wait for the HTC Sensation
Dual core CPU @ 1.2 GHz,Tegra 2 procesor,1080p recording,1GB of RAM,4.3" screen and a resolution "Retina" like,its actually a qHD LCD screen
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Well, I live in Europe so I need go with a GSM phone so Droid Bionic wouldn't do the job I'm afraid. Thanks for the advice though
I was interested in the HTC Pyramid/Sensation as well indeed, but heard negative rumors about the processor not catching up with other phones or something?
Edit: Also found out Sensation has 768MB of RAM, not that it's a huge difference or anything ;p

Well Sensation is a very good device but also HTC Evo 3D is pretty good if you like the 3D expirience without glasses

The Sensation won't have the Tegra. HTC is using the dual core Qualcomm CPU listed a 1.2GHz.
This is taken from Phonearena.com:
"HTC Sensation comes with a fresh serving of Android 2.3 Gingerbread, but it's all about the HTC Sense UI version 3.0 with a touch of refinement and functionality straight from the lock screen. You can choose between a number of lock screen options such as weather updates, quick access to apps and a handful of clock widgets. A 1.2GHz Qualcomm dual-core chipset supports the nice 3D-like transitions in the menu, all carrying resemblance to the ones on the HTC Flyer tablet. The phone is the first with a contoured glass 4.3-inch display meaning that your Super LCD screen is set back slightly to avoid scratches. The resolution is qHD (540x960) with an aspect ratio of 16:9. On the back you have an 8MP camera with dual-LED flash with “instant capture,” meaning little to no lag between pictures. The camera is also capable of recording video at 30fps in full HD (1080p) resolution."

I personally suggest the SGS2 for you, the new touchwiz seems to bring all of our favorite launcher features and some interesting widgets. It looks like a nice phone, (button seems lame tho) I say you can't go wrong with anything HTC, Samsung is pretty good hardware, software is lacking though, but that's what our lovely DEVS are for. And stay away from moto, they are just....They did horrible things to the xoom...horrible things. It could have been sooo much more... Anywayyy..
Hope this helps

This surely helps, thanks for the advice! Although I'm even more unsure of my choice, because of the new phones you guys suggested
Evo 3D comes out in Europe as well, which is great, just not sure of the battery life with 3D effect? and will it effect performance of the phone itself?
Also thanks moderator for moving my thread to the correct subforum.

I'm very skeptical about all this 3d hype. 3d screens seems to utilize the same technology that is behind 3DS, which causes nausea, headaches and some people are just unable to see it.
If i was considering buying a new android phone, i'd come up with a budget i'd like to spend and selected the phone that i find visually most attractive. Since they most likely to be priced competitevely, you can't make a too much of an error this way, and dual core 1.2 GHz processors will surely be an overkill for most applications except most advanced 3d games in closest 6-12 months IMO.

[Q] Help me choose: EVO 3D or LG Thrill (Optimus 3D)

I'm having a hard time deciding between these two phones and was hoping to get some opinions. There's a thread under the O3D comparing the phones but not really much in the way of opinions either way. I generally stick with a phone for a couple of years so I'd like to make an informed decision, and I don't know enough about how the specs are going to affect longevity. As near as I can tell the talking points are:
O3D:
+Faster CPU/GPU
+Dual-Channel Memory
-Android 2.2
-Resolution: 480x800
-512MB RAM
-Smaller Battery: 1500mAh
EVO 3D
+Android 2.3
+Resolution: 540x960
+Larger Battery: 1730mAh
+1GB RAM
-Slower CPU/GPU
-Single-Channel Memory
To be honest the 3D feature is not something I really care about but my son will like it and if I'm getting a new phone I may as well get something he can play with. I also don't care about photo quality but some decent gaming would be nice so my son could play with it. I realize there will eventually be an Android 2.3 ROM for the Thrill so that may not be a huge negative. I'm also concerned about whether the EVO will have as much ROM development as the Thrill and whether I should take that into account.
Opinions appreciated.

[Q]Torn between Phones

Hi all,
Since the Evo 3D was announced I was determined to get it but just near the launch i hear they removed 1080P video recording :S which is sh!t if you ask me. Now you know I love technical features and im pretty sure the whole 3D pictures and videos thing is a bit of a gimmick. Ive seen 3d Movies in the cinema and all it does is give you a very slight feeling of depth in a 2d picture. Nothing like how they advertise in IMax where it looks like someones coming out the screen lol. So if thats the capabilities of IMax what will it be for this tiny HTC phone?
I currently have a Samsung Galaxy S and I love it. The camera is good the features, the power and especially the Super Amoled screen. Its gorgeous.
Im sure many have pointed out before that the touchWiz interface is absolutely boring. There is no sense of design or thought in it. Im sure people just sat around and decided "well lets make some icons and then stick it in an iPhone-like menu". On the other hand HTC give a higher resolution AND the amazing HTC Sense 3.0 interface. It is absolutely lovely. I had an HTC before (TyTN) and when i changed the crappy windows UI for the Sense UI it was well worth all the hassle of learning to flash roms and so forth.
So now I present you a summary:
Samsung Galaxy S 2 Pros - 8MP camera, Full HD Recording, Super Amoled Plus, better benchmark results than the Evo 3d
Samsung Galaxy S 2 Cons - No 3D (?), Annoying TouchWiz interface, Same old design (of the phone)
Evo 3D Pros - 3D Cameras (?), Dual LED, Nice HTC Sense Interface, HTC Speaker is always LOUD, downright sexay lookin
Evo 3D cons - no 1080P Recording!!, Alot less powerful than the galaxy s 2, no amoled
So what do you guys think i should do? any opinions?

I'd go with the sgs2 just for the raw power then put a sense rom on it....many of them are great. But at the same time, if you are looking at an evo 3d that means you are on sprint like me, and we dont have sgs2 yet. It depends on if you want to wait or not. Personally, because of the power an sleekness i believe that the sgs2 is more future proof. Or you could go the same route as me and just wait for the Nexus 3....if it ever gets announced

See the thing is im in the middle east im not on sprint and the evo 3d has not been released here yet
tell me more about the sense roms is there one for the galaxy s i9000? And is there already one for the gs2? If there is something like that for the gs2 then i will take that although i do think the evo 3d has better design the gs2 could have used more buttons at the front so what about these roms?

tmobile g2x vs the sensation
anyone has any experience with these phones
and which do you prefer and why
sorry is starting a new thread and forgot to go back to general

Evo's camera is really messed, get the sgs2, it'a much better phone under every other aspect as well imho. 3d feature is bull and will bore you after a day i bet...

how bad exactly are we talking? and i had a look for the htc sense rom on galaxy s but its still in development... i have to say i really really like the htc sense UI and the last htc i had has a pretty nice camera and that was only 2MP
Edit:
I was browsing around the reviews and i saw a few clips of Evo 3D recording... Was disappointed that such quality can come from an expensive high end 2011 phone. i mean i think the original galaxy S has better quality from its 5MP camera.
So instead of constantly baiting myself with reviews about Evo 3D and comparisons (which mostly turn out in GS2's favour anyway) I thought id look at a GS2 review.
I gotta say its amazing, its absolutely blazingly fast. I change my opinion there is no more competition the GS2 is way better Why? because:
Evo 3D has worse quality than what i originally thought
The Evo 3D scores ~1900 on benchmarks (quadrant)
My Galaxy S scores 1600 on benchmark after darkys rom so why should i shell out so much cash for 300 benchmark points??
Some people said Evo 3D is still new and I should wait for some optimizations. Taking this into consideration it occured to me that even if the Evo 3D manages to hit 2800 (and i guarantee there is only so much optimizing you can do that it will not cross 2800) it still wont be as powerful as a SGS 2.
Think of it in terms of cars, I have a V6 and i can race quite a few V6s on the roads. Now if i were to modify my car i can easily beat a V8. But what if the V8 gets modified too? So as such wait till darkys crew gets their hands on the SGS 2. I mean they added about 700 benchmark points on my i9000! It just shows the durability of the SGS series to allow a huge optimization and customization. For example the headphones volume was not loud lo and behold there came the Voodoo kernel app to give a boost. Now you tell me, if a phone allows you to fix every single niggle that u hate about it is that not a perfect phone?
Im not saying the Evo 3D is bad but the galaxy S 2 really kicks its ass in terms of speed.
Now about the UI:
Sure HTC sense is nice but I never actually saw the TW 4.0 UI up close. After watching a number of reviews my conclusion is, its not bad at all! Seriously, check it out. Its got 3D rendering, its got folders in its menu. It no longer looks like a cheap iPhone clone! It is really really slick. Its got a video editor a native chat application and FULL 1080p recording with flash. I was never too concerend about camera quality because im not much of a photographer but man oh man can you see the difference. As for the screens? the AmoLed doesnt even give the Super LCD of the Evo a chance!
Ive decided, SGS 2 it is!

O3D 3D effect vs EVO 3D's?

Between the EVO 3D and the Optimus 3D/LG Thrill, which has the better 3D quality?
I'm not talking about 3D camera quality, I'm talking purely about how the 3D looks on the screen. I've probably seen an equal amount of answers going for one or the other, so I figured I'd go and ask specifically. Yes, I realize asking here I'll probably get a biased answer, but I'm hoping that somebody here has used an EVO 3D for more than a few seconds and can comment.
Reason I ask is because I'm basically deciding between getting a $600+ Galaxy Note and a ~$200 EVO 3D (one with a bad ESN) or a $300-$400 Optimus 3D and some 7" tablet down the line. If the difference isn't that huge, then I'd probably rather go for the first option partially since Otterbox makes cases for the EVO 3D.

okay. so if you are playing games in 3d or watching movies in 3d then both devices are gonna look equally great. the difference is if you are viewing images or videos you have taken with either device. in this case the lg optimus 3d will look much better... why? because the cameras have a greater distance apart between them then the evo 3d. the closer it is to the distance our eyes are actually apart the better the effect and the easier on the eyes.
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Trekfan422991 said:
okay. so if you are playing games in 3d or watching movies in 3d then both devices are gonna look equally great. the difference is if you are viewing images or videos you have taken with either device. in this case the lg optimus 3d will look much better... why? because the cameras have a greater distance apart between them then the evo 3d. the closer it is to the distance our eyes are actually apart the better the effect and the easier on the eyes.
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So what you're saying is that the 3D effect is basically the same - as in, watching the same 3D movie on each phone, there wouldn't be much of a difference? Again, I'm not talking about 3D camera quality (I'll be getting a Fuji W3 for that, which I know far outclasses either device), I'm mainly concerned about the actual 3D screen quality/effect.

Viewing 3D video & photo on on both are most the same (using other media files). But if u r taking video or photo from both devices and viewing together, O3D will be much better as Camera hardware were installed differently.
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veasna.kelly said:
Viewing 3D video & photo on on both are most the same (using other media files). But if u r taking video or photo from both devices and viewing together, O3D will be much better as Camera hardware were installed differently.
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Alright, thanks for the info.
So another related question - other than the better 3D camera, better 3D apps (like the specific 3D Youtube app), and better specs, is there anything else the O3D has over the Evo 3D? And speaking of specs, is there anything other than high-end gaming that the O3D's better CPU/RAM will do noticeably better than the Evo 3D? Don't try and sell me that it'll be smoother, because my 800Mhz single-core G2 is pretty smooth.
I'm asking because may be considering another phone instead of the Note (the Nokia N9), and figure I should know before I jump on the Evo 3D based mostly on price.

The O3D has a 2D-3D video/image/game converter. Evo3D does not to my knowledge. It is quite nice being able to take a video file that is not 3D and converting it on the fly. Instead of loading actual 3D video files, just use any ol' vid file. Even downloaded web vids. There is also the ability to take a game like Dead Space and play it in 3D. Or Angry Birds and many others. I am not knocking Evo in any way. LG has been engineering their 3D equipment longer than other manufacturers. They have just been in the game longer than htc (who has only one 3D device) and they don't use it on just mobile applications. IMHO LG wins based on its extra features which will come in handy later even if you don't plan on it until later. Hope I helped. ;-)

Deth Becomes You said:
The O3D has a 2D-3D video/image/game converter. Evo3D does not to my knowledge. It is quite nice being able to take a video file that is not 3D and converting it on the fly. Instead of loading actual 3D video files, just use any ol' vid file. Even downloaded web vids. There is also the ability to take a game like Dead Space and play it in 3D. Or Angry Birds and many others. I am not knocking Evo in any way. LG has been engineering their 3D equipment longer than other manufacturers. They have just been in the game longer than htc (who has only one 3D device) and they don't use it on just mobile applications. IMHO LG wins based on its extra features which will come in handy later even if you don't plan on it until later. Hope I helped. ;-)
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Eh, I've seen enough 3D movies to decide that unless it's made in 3D (unlike some 2D movies nowadays that tack on 3D for a cash-in) then I'd rather not bother, and same goes for gaming (had nVidia 3D Vision for a few months and played enough games to see that it's basically hit-or-miss as to whether the 3D effect is worth the inevitable headache I'll get after using 3D for more than 2-3 hours consecutively).
I guess it'll mostly come down to price when I end up buying either a month or so from now - if the O3D isn't much more than $100 more (if even that) then I'll go and buy it, and get the Evo 3D otherwise.

magus57 said:
Eh, I've seen enough 3D movies to decide that unless it's made in 3D (unlike some 2D movies nowadays that tack on 3D for a cash-in) then I'd rather not bother, and same goes for gaming (had nVidia 3D Vision for a few months and played enough games to see that it's basically hit-or-miss as to whether the 3D effect is worth the inevitable headache I'll get after using 3D for more than 2-3 hours consecutively).
I guess it'll mostly come down to price when I end up buying either a month or so from now - if the O3D isn't much more than $100 more (if even that) then I'll go and buy it, and get the Evo 3D otherwise.
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I have 3D Vision on my PC and I know about the hit-or-miss thing with some games in 3D. However this doesn't occur with the O3D, every game (if it runs at all in 3D) will look very good with the 3D feature, you will just have to worry about lower framerates on some graphically intensive games. It also has settings to change the 3D effect to your liking. The 3D technology used in the O3D is completely different from Nvidia 3D Vision, as it doesn't use active shutter glasses that can cause headaches from extended use.
If you aren't so concerned about performance, then why consider the Galaxy Note? The O3D is pretty close to the Samsung Galaxy S II in terms of performance according to most benchmarks.
As for Evo 3D vs Optimus 3D, I have not used the Evo 3D but I know the Optimus has better 3D software (Game Converter, Youtube 3D App, Video/Photo Playback/Editing), combined with more powerful hardware.
If you want a case similar to the Otterbox for the O3D, there's the Ballistic SG. I use it and can attest to it's quality.
Another note, I have seen some (used) Optimus 3D go for less than $300 on eBay...the Thrill 4G is even cheaper (if you don't need the T-Mobile USA band)

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I have 3D Vision on my PC and I know about the hit-or-miss thing with some games in 3D. However this doesn't occur with the O3D, every game (if it runs at all in 3D) will look very good with the 3D feature, you will just have to worry about lower framerates on some graphically intensive games. It also has settings to change the 3D effect to your liking. The 3D technology used in the O3D is completely different from Nvidia 3D Vision, as it doesn't use active shutter glasses that can cause headaches from extended use.
If you aren't so concerned about performance, then why consider the Galaxy Note? The O3D is pretty close to the Samsung Galaxy S II in terms of performance according to most benchmarks.
As for Evo 3D vs Optimus 3D, I have not used the Evo 3D but I know the Optimus has better 3D software (Game Converter, Youtube 3D App, Video/Photo Playback/Editing), combined with more powerful hardware.
If you want a case similar to the Otterbox for the O3D, there's the Ballistic SG. I use it and can attest to it's quality.
Another note, I have seen some (used) Optimus 3D go for less than $300 on eBay...
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Hmm, that definitely makes me rethink it then, if it really is that good - although I can't say I'm that interested in mobile gaming (compared to watching videos in 3D, at least). I'm mostly interested in performance because one thing my G2 can't do well is play high-res videos.
And I'm interested in the Note for a few reasons, such as the stylus, high screen resolution and quality, and the actual size of it (I'd use a 7" tablet as a phone if I could).
The main reason I wouldn't want to use the O3D as my phone is because the main uses out of it - 3D videos and gaming on the side - would tax the battery a bit; that's why I'm also considering the Nokia N9 as my next phone (for the nice unibody construction, long battery life, smooth/sleek/simple OS, etc.), since then I wouldn't have two similarly sized Android devices with the primary differences being that one makes phone calls and the other does 3D.
Do they make any decent extended batteries for the O3D, particularly ones compatible with any cases? A nice one might make me just go for the O3D alone...
And I'm looking at the O3D over the Thrill particularly for the better official updates and dev community, and the fact that I simply can't buy a device without original packaging/accessories (kinda OCD about that) brings up the price to $350+ for me.

magus57 said:
Hmm, that definitely makes me rethink it then, if it really is that good - although I can't say I'm that interested in mobile gaming (compared to watching videos in 3D, at least). I'm mostly interested in performance because one thing my G2 can't do well is play high-res videos.
And I'm interested in the Note for a few reasons, such as the stylus, high screen resolution and quality, and the actual size of it (I'd use a 7" tablet as a phone if I could).
The main reason I wouldn't want to use the O3D as my phone is because the main uses out of it - 3D videos and gaming on the side - would tax the battery a bit; that's why I'm also considering the Nokia N9 as my next phone (for the nice unibody construction, long battery life, smooth/sleek/simple OS, etc.), since then I wouldn't have two similarly sized Android devices with the primary differences being that one makes phone calls and the other does 3D.
Do they make any decent extended batteries for the O3D, particularly ones compatible with any cases? A nice one might make me just go for the O3D alone...
And I'm looking at the O3D over the Thrill particularly for the better official updates and dev community, and the fact that I simply can't buy a device without original packaging/accessories (kinda OCD about that) brings up the price to $350+ for me.
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mugen 3400mah with case for o3d ranging from 65-95 usd depending on where you find it. makes your phone last at least 50% more. google it and you will see.Also some japanese 2430mah gold battery that some people say is fake but for my friend it has worked great giving him round 25% more juice and this one is slim standard size so no need for cases...

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mugen 3400mah with case for o3d ranging from 65-95 usd depending on where you find it. makes your phone last at least 50% more. google it and you will see.Also some japanese 2430mah gold battery that some people say is fake but for my friend it has worked great giving him round 25% more juice and this one is slim standard size so no need for cases...
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Managed to find it (it's 3200mAh apparently), but I can't find the case - unless you mean the battery door it comes with. I'm wondering if there's a case that fits with that extended battery door.
In any case, I'm really tempted to get one with that battery now - thanks for the info.
EDIT: Two more question, actually:
-Does the stock Gingerbread update include notification power toggles (as in, pulling down the notification bar and being able to toggle Wifi, 3G, etc.) or is that something in custom ROMs?
-Are there any major problems with the stock ROM? I don't want to deal with the instability of custom ROMs or losing 3D or Bluetooth or something

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Managed to find it (it's 3200mAh apparently), but I can't find the case - unless you mean the battery door it comes with. I'm wondering if there's a case that fits with that extended battery door.
In any case, I'm really tempted to get one with that battery now - thanks for the info.
EDIT: Two more question, actually:
-Does the stock Gingerbread update include notification power toggles (as in, pulling down the notification bar and being able to toggle Wifi, 3G, etc.) or is that something in custom ROMs?
-Are there any major problems with the stock ROM? I don't want to deal with the instability of custom ROMs or losing 3D or Bluetooth or something
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The phone has notification power toggles ever since first froyo version and yes they are here in gb as well. No major bugs in gb stock. Some people report wifi and network problems (ghostcalls etc) but given that they have been reportin it since froyo versions I guess it something else going on.I have never had any problems at all neither on froyo nor on gb. Phone is really smooth and works as it is supposed to. Battery drains within normal rates for dualcore phone with a 4.2inch screen and in anyway much more resilient than sgsII (which i used to have for 3 weeks or so...)

Study says that 3D in phones is going to be huge in 2013-2018

source: https://www.prbuzz.com/business-entrepreneur/99680--new-market-study-3d-mobile-market-2013-2018.html
"With an increasing number of mobile applications and technologies being produced, 3D capture is likely to become as important as 3D viewing in TVs. Mobile phones with 3D cameras and HD video recording capabilities are set to become a rage in the near future."
Well, that'll be good!
I'm looking very hard for a good smartphone to replace my Optimus 3D in this year!
So far no news about any upcoming phones
But according to this study, it should become huge soon....

yeah and the world would end 12/2012
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Well, it's a good day for 3D news today: http://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-t...-users-to-move-45-degrees-from-center_id41154
HP is working on an improved 3D screen for smartphones!

I don't believe on those kind of studies anyway, most of them are wishful thinking.
Even if this study proves correct, the "huge" 3D trend won't probably come from LG (or HTC) phones because their small market share don't make them trend setters.
But if the next iPhone or Galaxy has a 3D screen, 3D will immediately become huge.

show that to the people back in 2011-2012

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I don't believe on those kind of studies anyway, most of them are wishful thinking.
Even if this study proves correct, the "huge" 3D trend won't probably come from LG (or HTC) phones because their small market share don't make them trend setters.
But if the next iPhone or Galaxy has a 3D screen, 3D will immediately become huge.
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All you need is a Google pushed 3D project and it'll blow up, you don't need Samsung or Apple.

if 3D does make a MIRACULOUS(and i do mean by GODS DIVINE HAND), then LG would have already had an big advantage over its competitors

if you guyzz don't know i would like to tell you that i phone can be used as a 3d by purchasing a special 3d glasses.
Just play a 3d video, put on the glasses and enjoy 3d
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xtian63 said:
if 3D does make a MIRACULOUS(and i do mean by GODS DIVINE HAND), then LG would have already had an big advantage over its competitors
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LG would have had a big advantage, if it would have put 3D on a phone with Gingerbread at release and ICS half a year later.
If it would have put 3D on a phone with double it's memory and more processor speed.
If it would have put 3D in marketing not only focussing on it's gimmicky 3d screen, but more on the camera.
If it would have re-introduced it in the new flagships that followed the Optimus 3D, most of all the Optimus G.
But now the entire experiment is considered to be a 'failure' because it was part of a phone that was badly supported, released with outdated software, and too little memory. Perhaps the thickness was also a factor, but maybe LG was just not able yet to release a thinner 3D phone.
And even then the O3D sold 1,5 million times.
I wonder how often the Optimus G was sold.... It's definitely not that much more.
LG had the big option in had to differentiate itself from it's competitors, but simply choose not to do so.

Here: http://bgr.com/2013/01/18/lg-optimus-g-sales-295602/
Optimus G sold 1 million units. Now I can imagine that it'll sell another half a million perhaps in the next year at most.
Then it'll have sold as much units as the Optimus 3D.
The Optimus G is not a bigger winner then the Optimus 3D.
Yet everybody claims that the O3D failed and that the Optimus G is LG's greatest success till today....
It all has to do with an anti-3D bias most tech-journalists seem to have...

3D, at least in it's current form is not all that good. Actually it's pretty bad. This HP screen with the 45 degrees viewing angle sounds promising. That technology may revolutionize 3D, if done right.
3D cameras will never be that important until we have good 3D screens.
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