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who Google is pitching the Nexus S at?

I don't know quite who Google is pitching the Nexus S at... To me, it makes no sense but I'd like to get the opinion of owners and why you upgraded (or if, indeed, this is your first Android phone)
As I see it, the NS makes no sense whatsoever except perhaps that panel availability for the N1 may have forced their hand - I'm wondering if the switch to Samsung as a manufacturer relates to the availability of AMOLED displays... Both the GS and the NS feel very flimsy to me compared to HTC devices... Although the GPU is much faster, I don't think that alone really justifies it and regardless of my feelings for Samsung as a manufacturer I just can't understand why Google didn't just release 2.3 for the N1, and wait for multicore Cortex A9-based SOCs like Tegra 2 to come to market and give people an actual upgrade regardless of the manufacturer of the device, rather than just the same thing in a different shell, creating yet more market fragmentation?!
Edit: And I've owned a lot of 3G phones with front-facing cameras over the years and have yet to use one! NFC might prove useful, but surely it could've waited for the next 'proper' upgrade to the 'Google Phone'?

Why? Why not.....its powerful, fairly priced, good looking, cutting edge OS, no bloatware, great screen, and it is nice and exclusive.

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Why? Why not.....its powerful, fairly priced, good looking, cutting edge OS, no bloatware, great screen, and it is nice and exclusive.
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Hmm, but that's my point... Which one of those did the N1 not fulfil? Sure, we expect a manufacturer's lines to be upgraded on a regular basis these days, but I just don't think it's enough of a step forward to justify the change... Why spend money on R&D, advertising, etc for a new device that really isn't an upgrade from the one it replaces? And it leaves N1 owners dead in the water for no good reason - I'd be a little less peeved about potentially not getting official updates from Google any more (if I were an N1 owner) if the replacement model were actually an upgrade, with a fancy dual core CPU, higher DPI screen, etc, etc... But it isn't. It just makes no sense
I mean... Imagine if the Nexus One had actually been just a G1 with a different chassis and a faster GPU, yet retained the sluggish CPU, HVGA screen, 3MP camera, etc? Everybody would have laughed at them, yet they do this with the NS and they get applauded. Tegra 2 phones are about to hit the market - does this mean another Google Phone release 6 months down the line?

I have owned both the N1 and NS. I just sold the N1 because the NS is a much better phone.
- Screen is way better - (larger, smoother, more vibrant). N1 screen, and definitely the iphone4 screen just seem too small after using this. 4" screen is the sweet spot
- Multitouch is way better
- Visibility outdoors is way better
- Capacitive buttons are way better
- gpu is way better
- CPU is better
-External speaker is better
- 16gb internal memory is better for me, 1gb for apps so no more messing with apps2sd, and I have 10GB music on there and plenty of room for everty thing else
- Read/writes to internal memory much faster than class 6 micro sdcard
- FFC is great for talking to gf when either of us are away on business
- I actually like the styling of the phone better than the nexus one. The all black look is very sleek especially with pure blacks on SAMOLED screen. Very classy looking phone
- Build quality is great
- Gingerbread is great and only getting better with CM7. Nothing is beating the NS benchmark wise.
The Nexus S makes perfect sense to me. The only thing lacking is a car dock and desktop dock. 4G would have been nice but we don't get it in my area anyway. NS is pretty much the perfect phone for me right now.
Let's not get all dual core crazy until we see their real life performance running froyo (because that is what they will be released with).
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the N1. I just like the NS more.

irishrally said:
Let's not get all dual core crazy until we see their real life performance running froyo (because that is what they will be released with).
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Let's remember that Android have to be optimized for dual cores to fully use its processor. And we all know how manufacturers are with OS updates
+1 for Nexus

Not coming from N1 I cannot comment. However it is fair to say that the original nexus had a long long life....I look at my wife's HTC desire, which we brought when it came out....its obsolete now. All phones get bettered....this time next year I expect dual cores will be rather past it. You will wait forever for the next best thing. Right now a Nexus S is a top drawer device.

Because I wanted it.
No offense, mate, neither I nor anyone else need to justify my/our purchases to you/anyone else.
EDIT: This is also thread #14831948135971 on Nexus S vs Other Phones.

irishrally said:
I have owned both the N1 and NS. I just sold the N1 because the NS is a much better phone.
- Screen is way better - (larger, smoother, more vibrant). N1 screen, and definitely the iphone4 screen just seem too small after using this. 4" screen is the sweet spot
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Hmm, that's a matter of opinion. I find 4" phones uncomfortable in the pocket.
- Multitouch is way better
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Hmm, that's true, the N1/Desire touch panel is a bit rubbish.
- Capacitive buttons are way better
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I'd prefer physical buttons either way.... Which is the main reason I got the Desire over the N1!
- CPU is better
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Not according to the benchmarks I can find. It's the same, or perhaps just a little slower MHz-to-MHz vs the Scorpion core in the Snapdragons.
- External speaker is better
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True, but they're both pretty tinny compared to some older phones like my Nokia 6233. That should be the benchmark!
- 16gb internal memory is better for me, 1gb for apps so no more messing with apps2sd, and I have 10GB music on there and plenty of room for everty thing else
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I have a 32GB MicroSD in my Desire... I'd like to have that option! No memory slot seems like a massive downgrade to me. Admittedly, I can't upgrade beyond 32GB, but when SDXC becomes more mainstream I can't see that its worth manufacturers cutting corners with the memory card slot. It was one of the most annoying things about my iPhone.
- FFC is great for talking to gf when either of us are away on business
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I guess somebody has to use it! I'm glad I've finally heard of somebody who does. Every phone I had between about since 2003 'till the iPhone has had a video calling cam, as do many people I know's phones yet nobody actually seems to use them. Perhaps the prohibitive cost of video calling in the UK is part of the reason, but I'm happy enough talking to people!
- I actually like the styling of the phone better than the nexus one. The all black look is very sleek especially with pure blacks on SAMOLED screen. Very classy looking phone
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If it's not a pentile display, that definitely counts as an upgrade Looks are very subjective - I wouldn't call the Nexus S an 'inspired' design, but at least its not ugly like the Desire HD To me, it looks no better than the N1. The iPhone 4 is prettier, but then I'm an Apple-design whore and could never live with iOS again after using Andoid
- Build quality is great
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Feels flimsy to me... But then, so do all Samsung phones. Mmm, plasticy!
- Gingerbread is great and only getting better with CM7. Nothing is beating the NS benchmark wise.
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I got 2495 on Quadrant on my Desire running MIUI. Really? And do benchmarks actually matter anyway? I've played with an NS, and it didn't 'feel' any faster than my phone running 2.3. Plus, surely I could have had that performance 10 months ago when the GS was released?
At the end of the day, I'm not questioning that the NS is a better phone than the N1, just whether such a minor upgrade justified it when new generation Android hardware is starting to hit the market now.

unremarked said:
Because I wanted it.
No offense, mate, neither I nor anyone else need to justify my/our purchases to you/anyone else.
EDIT: This is also thread #14831948135971 on Nexus S vs Other Phones.
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I'm not asking anybody to justify anything, I just wonder why Google have made such a move.... I'm sure the NS is a great phone, as for that matter is the GS which is pretty much identical and you could've had nearly a year ago!

Azurael said:
I got 2495 on Quadrant on my Desire running MIUI.
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NS hits 4100 on Quadrant. Check out the bionix kernel thread for screenshots.
Benchmarks don't mean everything but they do mean something.
EDIT: CM7 with 1.5ghz morfic kernel:
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1-star rating for yet another "NS sounds like it sucks, why should I get one?" thread... How many times have all these same questions/challenges/answers been discussed in multiple other threads?
I think anyone who says that the NS isn't a significant improvement over the N1 hardware-wise has probably never touched an NS. Now, if you want to say that the NS isn't a signficant improvement over the Galaxy S line, I wouldn't argue too much.
The display (SuperAMOLED) and touchscreen that actually does more than two points on multitouch, and does it accurately, are leaps and bounds ahead of the N1's overly-red, can't-be-used-in-sunlight display and touchscreen that is prone to inaccurate registration.
The internal ROM space is larger and faster, and you don't have to screw around with apps2sd.
The GPU is the best you can get for the near future.
It's purpose is to show manufacturers what the minimum hardware performance is, and it's market is to target users who wanted the best hardware available at the time of release with the latest version of the OS.

distortedloop said:
I think anyone who says that the NS isn't a significant improvement over the N1 hardware-wise has probably never touched an NS. Now, if you want to say that the NS isn't a signficant improvement over the Galaxy S line, I wouldn't argue too much.
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Look... I'm not slagging you, or anybody else who bought a Nexus S off - it (like the N1) is a brilliant phone. Obviously, nobody would buy an N1 over an NS now, since they're a similar price. I'm slagging Google off for needlessly diluting the market with a product that simply doesn't need to, or have a reason to exist, rather than holding out only a couple of months for a new platform which would actually have given customers something they couldn't have bought before.
And yes, if for some bizarre reason it really matters to you, I have used a Nexus S. Not for long, but for long enough to know that it's exactly the same phone as the Galaxy S (a phone I did borrow for a week or so while deciding which Android phone to buy) which I could have bought 10 months ago. The fact that it is a phone I passed over to buy the Desire due to its smaller size, better build quality and less broken software (at the time, although I'm sure both the original Galaxy S and Nexus S have brilliant software even if you stick to official releases NOW.) is irrelevant to the point I'm making and purely my opinion.

Azurael said:
Look... I'm not slagging you, or anybody else who bought a Nexus S off - it (like the N1) is a brilliant phone. Obviously, nobody would buy an N1 over an NS now, since they're a similar price. I'm slagging Google off for needlessly diluting the market with a product that simply doesn't need to, or have a reason to exist, rather than holding out only a couple of months for a new platform which would actually have given customers something they couldn't have bought before.
And yes, if for some bizarre reason it really matters to you, I have used a Nexus S. Not for long, but for long enough to know that it's exactly the same phone as the Galaxy S (a phone I did borrow for a week or so while deciding which Android phone to buy) which I could have bought 10 months ago. The fact that it is a phone I passed over to buy the Desire due to its smaller size, better build quality and less broken software (at the time, although I'm sure both the original Galaxy S and Nexus S have brilliant software even if you stick to official releases NOW.) is irrelevant to the point I'm making and purely my opinion.
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Doesn't need to exist? Sounds like you just don't like Samsung.
I own a Nexus One, Vibrant, Droid X, Nexus S, G1, etc.
The Vibrant used to be the fastest of them all. The Vibrant was my main phone but there was one problem. RFS file system. It needed stock Google. I even worked on ROMs trying to clone stock Google onto the Vibrant, then the Nexus S came out with Gingerbread.
The Vibrant itself is superior to the Nexus One. The Nexus S is better than the Vibrant because of stock Google, lack of RFS, and because of Gingerbread's Hummingbird CPU JIT optimizations.
Now, the Vibrant running Froyo was still smooth and sleaker than any phone I've touched including the G2 etc. But the Nexus S is the next level up because of Gingerbread.
The Hummingbird is superior to the Nexus S Snapdragon. However the MyTouch 4g and G2 have about equal processing power as the Hummingbird, BUT the Hummingbird has the best GPU out, and WILL continue to have the best GPU out until the Qualcomm dual core or Orion comes to phones. The Tegra2 has a worse GPU than the Hummingbird. The GPU is what makes everything smooth.
The Nexus S will be top of the line until Q4 of 2011. Just like the Nexus One was pretty up there until Q4 of 2010.
Educate yourself on the processors, Hummingbird, Tegra2, Orion, Qualcomm, etc.
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...ion-samsungs-implementation-of-arm-cortex-a9/
You may say the Nexus S was unnecessary, but in all honesty it couldn't be more necessary. We needed a new stock Android with a 4" screen, a Hummingbird or better CPU/GPU combo, front facing camera, and a Super AMOLED.
This phone will be hot stuff. Tegra2 isn't a worthy upgrade to a Hummingbird. They're about equal when you balance out CPU / GPU.
I'm crossing my fingers for a 4g Nexus running Honeycomb, with a Super AMOLED / retina combo (extra high resolution), and a Samsung Orion processor / GPU combo at the end of 2011. That would be the fastest device possible, and I won't be upgrading until that is out. Also it should have support for both T-Mobile HSPA+ and AT&T LTE and 3g, and Euro 3g standards. Be a multi-carrier device, just in case I need to move.
Now I'm not saying the Tegra2 is bad, but it's not heaps better than the Hummingbird.

Azurael said:
And yes, if for some bizarre reason it really matters to you, I have used a Nexus S.
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Doesn't matter to me at all.
What's the point of coming into a forum dedicated to the use of a specific device and throwing out remarks like yours?
It's clear you think the device isn't worth the money, and no one's going to convince you otherwise, so why bother? Go off and enjoy your Nexus 1 or whatever you're using - only Google/Samsung can your original questions, and they're not here...

Azurael said:
I'm not asking anybody to justify anything, I just wonder why Google have made such a move.... I'm sure the NS is a great phone, as for that matter is the GS which is pretty much identical and you could've had nearly a year ago!
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'cept I didn't want a Vibrant.
As there is only one poster on these forums, as far as I'm aware anyway, who actually works for Google, they are the only ones qualified to answer you on "why Google made such a move." The rest of your statement pretty much confirms you're yet another snarky poster from another section of the XDA forums who is posting here asking us to justify our purchases because you think we either A) need your permission/approval or B) are incapable of making rational and informed decisions ourselves.
Your question has been answered in the stickied FAQ in this section. I hope a mod will lock this thread soon.
unremarked said:
Q: My toys are better than your toys! Hahahaha!
Stop it and grow up. Different strokes for different folks. People spend their money on what they want to spend it on regardless of your agreement on their choice. Not to mention that this kind of behavior goes against the spirit of this community.
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irishrally said:
I have owned both the N1 and NS. I just sold the N1 because the NS is a much better phone.
- Screen is way better - (larger, smoother, more vibrant). N1 screen, and definitely the iphone4 screen just seem too small after using this. 4" screen is the sweet spot
- Multitouch is way better
- Visibility outdoors is way better
- Capacitive buttons are way better
- gpu is way better
- CPU is better
-External speaker is better
- 16gb internal memory is better for me, 1gb for apps so no more messing with apps2sd, and I have 10GB music on there and plenty of room for everty thing else
- Read/writes to internal memory much faster than class 6 micro sdcard
- FFC is great for talking to gf when either of us are away on business
- I actually like the styling of the phone better than the nexus one. The all black look is very sleek especially with pure blacks on SAMOLED screen. Very classy looking phone
- Build quality is great
- Gingerbread is great and only getting better with CM7. Nothing is beating the NS benchmark wise.
The Nexus S makes perfect sense to me. The only thing lacking is a car dock and desktop dock. 4G would have been nice but we don't get it in my area anyway. NS is pretty much the perfect phone for me right now.
Let's not get all dual core crazy until we see their real life performance running froyo (because that is what they will be released with).
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the N1. I just like the NS more.
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^ What this guy said. Plus the nexus s is not flimsy. I also own the nexus one and I can see the quality of build in both, even if one is aluminium and one is plastic. The nexus s is fantastic and the *best* android phone I have ever used, and I have owned plenty, including the dhd. Everything just works, and it's one of the first times on an android phone where a custom rom is really not required - there is enough space for a crap load of apps and music, and gaming on it is fantastic. Nothing is out of bounds on the nexus s.

for me the selection was simple
I wanted a SAMOLED phone that works in 1700+2100
with at least 1 Ghz stock CPU and 16 GB RAM, with GPS, and all the xtra toys and wishes it can pack inside this nice an think wafer
the only unfortunate thing is missing the external SD support

unremarked said:
Because I wanted it.
No offense, mate, neither I nor anyone else need to justify my/our purchases to you/anyone else.
EDIT: This is also thread #14831948135971 on Nexus S vs Other Phones.
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Agreed
Ugh really getting tired of these thread, my fault for even reading them though.

Samsung Galaxy Prevail [Boost Mobile]

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New Phone coming to Boost Mobile MNVO of Sprint USA. It features 3.5 inch display or 3.2 inch. It is running Froyo. SD Card slot up to 32gb, no information so far on card that comes with device. 3.2mp camera (no idea if it has flash)
No actual information on processor but I'm going to assume it's an arm 11.
The actual phone is supposed to be announced at a Boost Mobile / Samsung event on April 5th.
I'm betting my money on $150 usd for the device.

If anything, it'll either be the qualcomm ms11 turbo, or the Samsung SC soc they've been using a lot more. I'd rather see the qualcomm one, seeing that their older SoC's suck.

Wow, that's a lot of bezel. ;;;

I currently have a myTouch 4G, but unfortunately live in a 2G T-Mobile area. Thinking of moving to another carrier, that is also cheaper. Love Android, so this little device interest me. Came here in search of CM7 rumors for this phone. I'll sit back, wait and watch.
Since I have less than 8 posts here, I am not able to provide the Engadget link for this phone, which says: 3.2-inch touchscreen, a 2 megapixel camera, $180.

Beautiful, like everyone in the Samsung part.
Now let's see how this, in terms of internal characteristics.

Stay away, Blue Deathstar!

Boost is starting to give the customers what they want, i already have an android device on boost but Im thinking about getting this phone on a second line or give to my wife, is any rom cookers thinking about messing around with tricking out a rom for this one cause beleive me probally %50 of the boostmobile customers are gonna be all over this one! Its android baby!

I have my eye on this one knowing now that T-Mobile is about to become AT&T-mobile. I considered Boost for the $50/month unlimited plan which is a sweet deal, but at the time I was making my decision they didn't have any phones I was interested in owning. I'll definitely take a look at this once my contract is up, or able to be shredded due to AT&T related changes.

I've read that the Boost phones aren't as feature packed as some of the others... but with this being my first smart phone, will it matter much??
I currently have a phone that I just use for talk and txt on att's pre-paid service... so if I can get this and add internet and email for $10 less per month, that's what I wanna do. Coverage doesn't look too bad in my area... which hopefully it's not.
I'm mainly looking for something that I'd be able to tether with my Xoom and get 'net access to receive work emails and possibly transfer files via dropbox from time time when I'm on the road and not connected via wifi.

The Boost Samsung Prevail was finally released today. Will this entry level Android phone see lots of flashing love in the form of 2.3.3 or 2.3.4?

Wow, that's a lot of bezel.

Picked one of these up this morning. To answer some questions:
- It only comes with a 2 gig SD card
- No Flash, samsung said its not supported due to hardware restrictions. I did try to install it, but it causes browsers to close.
- 179.99, I was told by the sprint store only the "boostmobile" branded stores have them right now, I had to hunt one down and they only had one on the shelf. Also they went on sale online this morning, and now the web page is reporting "sold out online".
- I have yet to root it, but haven't tried really hard yet either. SuperOneClick has failed for me.
That being said, it actually seems pretty snappy. It also has some weight to it, maybe because the battery is 1500mah. Quadrant results show 554, just a bit higher than the Nexus One, but below the Samsung Galaxy S.
CPU is an ARMv6, rev 5, 800mhz
Display is 320x480, but still looks really good. The biggest complaint I've been reading about is the screen size, but I'll be honest, it doesn't seem that small to me. Maybe thats because I've been using an Android loaded Vogue, and they are smaller phones.
Its also only sports a 2mp camera, but I took some pics today and they turned out better than expected.
My personal opinion is the phone is well worth 179.99.

I would like to hear more about the Prevail, and look forward to learning more as more of these get out into the field. I'm considering one of these for my first venture into the Android world. Seems like a decent deal with Boost plans, and the phone is affordable. I'm a little concerned that it may not get the kind of attention that other phones get in terms of rooting, custom ROM's, etc. I know this is something we can always customize to taste, but with the limited horsepower, I for one really like the fact that the original ROM is basically vanilla Android.
I hope many others will share their initial impressions and then their progress with mods.

@dbwelch
That was my concern as well, that it might not get a ton of attention as currently the prevail is only for boost mobile.
My previous phone was a HTC Touch Vogue on boost, and I noticed some of the rom developers were Boost Customers, so there is hope. At the very least it would be nice to see someone root the thing.

Awesome, just for me!

I have a prevail and i must say...its better than advertised.
The screen is small but is more than functional. The small
keyboard is not an issue as you have swype, android and a
few that can be dowloaded from the market for free. I like
the fact that it comes with froyo stripped of all that
manufacturer bs...no sense or touch wiz to clutter it up.
It's well worth the $179 price tag.

i hope this phone picks up.
i got it yesterday for my girlfriend after hunting it for like 3 hours.
i wasnt expecting much, i mean 215 after everything shouldn't give you much, but i was wrong.
the screen is really nice and responsive, the camera is eh, but come on, is snappy, and even better with adw launcher in it, boost 3g network down here is surprisingly good, browser experience is just nice, multitouch support and all the good stuff, yeah it lacks of flash, but im sure it can be enabled, the processor is not that bad, and with customs kernels and stuff, and little oc the phone should kick some ass and then some, i mean it already does. oh and sometimes it lags, but is minimum, even my g2 lags at times.
for 215 total is a great deal, and with cyanogen, or any nice custom rom this phone would be something just awesome. i really wish this phone takes off and devs look at it, because is worth it, yeah for the price range theres the lg for virgin, but you can't go wrong if you have boost with this phone.
again, i hope this phone takes off and devs and custom goodness comes afloat because is well deserved.

ibdilbert said:
Picked one of these up this morning. To answer some questions:
- It only comes with a 2 gig SD card
- No Flash, samsung said its not supported due to hardware restrictions. I did try to install it, but it causes browsers to close.
- 179.99, I was told by the sprint store only the "boostmobile" branded stores have them right now, I had to hunt one down and they only had one on the shelf. Also they went on sale online this morning, and now the web page is reporting "sold out online".
- I have yet to root it, but haven't tried really hard yet either. SuperOneClick has failed for me.
That being said, it actually seems pretty snappy. It also has some weight to it, maybe because the battery is 1500mah. Quadrant results show 554, just a bit higher than the Nexus One, but below the Samsung Galaxy S.
CPU is an ARMv6, rev 5, 800mhz
Display is 320x480, but still looks really good. The biggest complaint I've been reading about is the screen size, but I'll be honest, it doesn't seem that small to me. Maybe thats because I've been using an Android loaded Vogue, and they are smaller phones.
Its also only sports a 2mp camera, but I took some pics today and they turned out better than expected.
My personal opinion is the phone is well worth 179.99.
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Hello,
I am very interested in this phone as I am looking to leave TMobile and this combination of phone Android plus the all-inclusive plan with shrinkage seems to be the best option for me. What I am wondering is has anybody opened the phone yet? I currently have a Samsung Vibrant and I had a Samsung Galaxy S 4G, and would like to know if the inside components are similar? I would like to install the 4G camera (FFC mod 5mp back-facing) in this Prevail, just wondering if the ribbon/connector for the camera is the same, since the location and design seems the same.
Thanks

AEguyNYC5 said:
Hello,
I am very interested in this phone as I am looking to leave TMobile and this combination of phone Android plus the all-inclusive plan with shrinkage seems to be the best option for me. What I am wondering is has anybody opened the phone yet? I currently have a Samsung Vibrant and I had a Samsung Galaxy S 4G, and would like to know if the inside components are similar? I would like to install the 4G camera (FFC mod 5mp back-facing) in this Prevail, just wondering if the ribbon/connector for the camera is the same, since the location and design seems the same.
Thanks
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Even if there were some parts compatibility (which I doubt; the SGS lineup are all 4" and roughly the same dimensions) I don't think you'd find a working ROM or other setup that allowed you to use that FFC.

Will Boost port your phone number from another carrier??
I'd like to be able to keep my #, but it's not a deal breaker if they can't.....

Why is the One S underestimated??

Guys I have seen lots of reviews of our phone.I own it for two months and I am very pleased with it.In fact in most reviews is faster than other premium phones and except for the screen resolution in terms of characteristics is great.Also its size is great and all these made me choose it between hox and gs3.In fact I had it side by side with hox and in swapping hox fealt heavy and laggy compared to hos.S4 is really great.But, it is not considered to be top range and has lost value pretty easily.Its retail price is close to the others but it is considered cheaper.These facts had made me to reconsider my buy and thinking of changing device.What you guys think?
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boulek said:
Guys I have seen lots of reviews of our phone.I own it for two months and I am very pleased with it.In fact in most reviews is faster than other premium phones and except for the screen resolution in terms of characteristics is great.Also its size is great and all these made me choose it between hox and gs3.In fact I had it side by side with hox and in swapping hox fealt heavy and laggy compared to hos.S4 is really great.But, it is not considered to be top range and has lost value pretty easily.Its retail price is close to the others but it is considered cheaper.These facts had made me to reconsider my buy and thinking of changing device.What you guys think?
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You only want a new phone because your old one lost value, although you consider your phone better then the higher priced ones? What I think is that you are a moron, lolz.

Are you happy with it? Don´t change it...

I dont think its better, but I think its equal .But I don't understand why it is so underestimated...That's all
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Get the s3 its way better
Best battery life 6-7hrs screen time
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Most probably it's because it has flaws, that are unacceptable in a top-notch high end device?
Like the premium extra-durable cover, that needs to be handled with extra care, and it still does not guarantee, that there will be no chipping?
Or the light leaks below the front glass?
Or the squeaking top cover?
Or the ridiculously small storage capacity?
Or the far from perfect video support (I need to have two extra players installed, and I still am not sure if the movie I have just downloaded will play or not)?
The only reason I am still keeping it is the perfect form factor, but every time I notice a new scratch, that appears out from nowhere, I just want to get rid of this expensive piece of crap.

Thats y u need to root. I have the rom i ported from HTC ONE S with new kernel..runs just as fast, obviously rooted, overclocked, v6 supercharged and swap enabled minus bloat...u should stay with it. Root it and get the energized from NRGZ8..themed and tweaks..He is one of the best developers
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Look at it from a customers point of view, who aren't phone/tech geeks like us. Lets say 60/70% did some homework ad looked around. They decided on andriod over ios. They seen whats on the market and might even watched some youtube clips.
What most people will likely see:
Quadcore > Dualcore (Most people wont know what or S4 can do)
Bigger screen > better form factor. I think most people won't take the time to pick the phone up and hold it. and see how it feels in their hands.
And the one S got a pretty crappy screen regarding resolution/density.
This plus the fact our phone is just about 100 euro's? cheaper than the one X or SIII which excel in all these points.
Most people wont see the elegance of this device. You have to stand still and hold it will you fall in love with the seize, form factor, build quality and design of this device. And I think most wont/will do this when they walk in the phone store, because there are so many choices.
And this is if they disregarded htc completely because their friend, bother, uncle had a htc once and they didn't like that one.

Diaze said:
Get the s3 its way better
Best battery life 6-7hrs screen time
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What a load of BS
I have yet to see anyone get 6-7 hours on screen time on the GS 3 from one charge out of the box (unless you're someone who keeps airplane mode on, screen brightness to like 0% etc.). Going by proper usage as in wifi on all the time or 3G/H data and auto brightness with some browsing, phone calls/texts, quick game, some videos etc. the one S battery life is better, (maybe not by much) due to the S4 chip and smaller screen with a lower res. At best the GS 3 seems to get about 5 hours on screen time and at best the one S gets 6 hours on screen time, however, the majority of people seem to be getting only about 3-4 hours on screen time spread across a 1-2 days with the GS 3 where as the majority of people are getting 4-5 hours on screen time spread across 1-3 days.
Also the only areas where the GS 3 is better by a lot are:
- screen in terms of res. and size
- storage
- 1080P recording
- NFC
- NLED
The S is better in:
- IMO sense largely the camera overall, way more features, much better UI (camera quality is more or less the same, wins some, looses some), gallery, calendar app etc. only good thing about touchwiz are the tweaks/features like smart stay, smart status bar, which can be had on pretty much every mobile now through apps
- build and perceived quality and IMO looks
- better CPU for performance per core (more important than having an extra 2 cores as hardly any apps utilise dual fully let alone quad), power efficiency, heat
- cheaper
Everything else is more or less the same, audio, camera quality etc.
The words, which you should be using is a more "complete package"
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Most probably it's because it has flaws, that are unacceptable in a top-notch high end device?
Like the premium extra-durable cover, that needs to be handled with extra care, and it still does not guarantee, that there will be no chipping?
Or the light leaks below the front glass?
Or the squeaking top cover?
Or the ridiculously small storage capacity?
Or the far from perfect video support (I need to have to extra players installed, and I still am not sure if the movie I have just downloaded will play or not)?
The only reason I am still keeping it is the perfect form factor, but every time I notice a new scratch, that appears out from nowhere, I just want to get rid of this expensive piece of crap.
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Have had my one S since April and have no chipping at all apart from the inside of the USB port, not exactly the most careful either, I just keep it in a pocket of its own, set it down on a clean surface, I only use a case every now and again.
Is that really an issue? I only notice it in pitch black whenever I have a black wallpaper showing. Besides the buttons are far better than the GS 3 buttons especially since the Gs3 has a hard home button, which just ruins the look of the front and better than many other devices IMO, only way it can be topped is with on screen buttons like the GN). Oh and btw so does the GS 3 and a lot of other phones:
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PB model isn't as bad but it still does as well.
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Oh wait you mean, the way the light actually goes on to the bottom of the screen? Again is that really an issue? As I said, only time I notice it is in pitch black with a completely black wallpaper. You will also probably notice black spots on the screen with a black wallpaper but again, this is normal on every AMOLED based screen.
Have had no problems with squeaking on mine. Even if there was a problem, it still has far better build quality than any other phone and the ceramic back would make up for it IMO.
Storage is a problem for a lot of people, however, if it is, then the people just won't bother looking at this phone then and get the GS 3 or something with an SD slot, I have no problems with mine, over 80 apps installed, this includes a number of games including games like dead trigger and I still have 1.53GB available, I have 876 photos including 1080P/slow motion videos, loads of emulator ROM files, wallpapers/icons etc. and I still have 4.81GB left, could easily free up the majority of that space as all my photos are backed up each day to my PC and I imagine that "average joes" wouldn't be overly fussed about it either. After all the Galaxy nexus etc. have no SD slots and limited storage yet they do very well still, just not as well as the like of the GS 3 and GS 2 etc. For me and a lot of other people storage isn't a problem therefore we don't really consider it a con for ourselves.
What problems are there with video support, any file I have thrown at it plays flawlessly on BS player, this includes 720/1080P MKV's (size is 10GB+, split up into parts), AVI, MP4 etc.
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Bigger screen > better form factor. I think most people won't take the time to pick the phone up and hold it. and see how it feels in their hands.
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Not really true, why do you think the iphone 4/4s is so popular Many "average joes" can't stand the size of a lot of these phones today or the plastic used and is why they largely go for the iphone as it is small and feels great and looks great (not keen on the looks myself but I can see why people like it so much) They even consider the one S and GS 2 to be too big
It is simply due to the lack of advertising, I still have not seen one ad on TV for the one S, always the one X and have lost count of how many ads there have been for the GS 3 now......... and HTC don't seem to be too popular here (UK), a lot of people look down on them, even the majority of average joes seem to think that they are an awful company, no idea why though, granted their support isn't the best when it comes to sending mobiles of for repair etc. and some of their phones have been rather crap but the one S and one X (now that the issues have been sorted out) are their best phones they have released to date and sense V4 is much better than previous versions.
The only real problem that people (the ones who know know a bit more about phones than the average joes) have with the one S is:
- storage
- pentile matrix used instead of RGB
I don't really have any problem with those, the pentile is noticeable in some areas, however, I only notice it when I concentrate on the edges of icons and have my face really close to the screen, the rest of the screen is great, colours, viewing angles, blacks and best of all, how easy it is to see the screen in sunlight, don't have to be above 70% brightness to easily make out what is on the screen, no need to cover the screen with your hand etc. Plus apparently pentile matrix is better for battery life and so I personally rather have it due to that reason.
Anandtech sum my views up pretty much spot on regarding the screen quality:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/6
PS sorry for the wall of text

I'm ready to go back to my S2. Scratches appear out of no where. I have never used a screen protector on any of my phones and never got a single scratch. This phone is great but now my screen has scratches and its bothering so bad.
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Mine has some drops and dont even one scratch anywhere
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Get an iphone, it still has it's value here retailing for €749 xD
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I came from a GS2 to One S (S4) - but only for a week. Reasons are, the OLED display is not good enough for me, sorry but it is not up to much in terms of resolution and light output. The black case chips on its own, it seems. I've had and sold several smartphones over the recent years and NEVER had any marks on the case or screen. I'm careful but not anal about it. This phone just made me weep! Finally, the so-called notification LED is a freakin sick joke. Pointless engineering faux-pas.
Now happy with my Sony XS...

Here are the reasons that tipped my clicker finger to buy the One S...
T-Mobile now has unlimited data and that's switchable between 5G
The One S has 42 Mbps (so does the Samsung S2/3)
Those 2 above provide backed up data at an avg of 18 Mbps in my house. So, AT&T's LTE was eliminated.
One S is a better device for my needs... size and interface
One S has a very bright display that's easier to read
That's only a few. The S3 is a nice plastic phone with a lot of stuff.
The stuff I need and the functionality of using it is on the One S.

I debated long and hard and did a lot of research on the One S and the SIII before buying and finally decided on the One S. Couldn't be happier with my decision. The quality and performance of the One S is great. The SIII feels cheap and is so hyped up. I get 6 hours screen on time overclocked at 1.72GHhz and score over 6000 on quadrent. I also like that I can choose between sense and pure android.

My gf got the S3 and I got the one S, I'm happy with my choice.
The S3 was too big for my liking and had TouchWiz. I also thought the One S would have better ROM options once I decide to root the phone.
Either way I ended up with a nice upgrade from my MT4G
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[Q] Is this phone enough?

Hello All,
I'm looking at picking up a Maxx HD, but I had some questions about a few components from those of you who have it. My three concerns are:
1. Processor - is dual core quick enough? Quad cores are coming out now, but I'm not sure how long I can wait, probably not beyond Jan, not sure what new there will be by then.
2. Ram - is 1gb enough? See any issues maxing this out?
3. Camera - This one is important to me, I want it to take some decent pics but I've read some bad things about the pics taken from the camera on this phone. I'm coming from an iPhone 4, looking for at least that quality in the pictures (I know it's an older one). I've also heard that the JB leaks give a boost to the camera as well.
Any input is very much appreciated.
Thanks,
Tim

linedpaper said:
Hello All,
I'm looking at picking up a Maxx HD, but I had some questions about a few components from those of you who have it. My three concerns are:
1. Processor - is dual core quick enough? Quad cores are coming out now, but I'm not sure how long I can wait, probably not beyond Jan, not sure what new there will be by then.
2. Ram - is 1gb enough? See any issues maxing this out?
3. Camera - This one is important to me, I want it to take some decent pics but I've read some bad things about the pics taken from the camera on this phone. I'm coming from an iPhone 4, looking for at least that quality in the pictures (I know it's an older one). I've also heard that the JB leaks give a boost to the camera as well.
Any input is very much appreciated.
Thanks,
Tim
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1. I was using a Galaxy Nexus for several months and that that phone was fast and smooth. The processor in the Razr HD is even faster. For speed, it really comes down to software at this point and the Razr has the closest skin to OEM. I don't see much of a difference when jumping from dual-core to quad-core unless you're crazy about benchmarks. At some point, benchmarks become meaningless - everything is so fast that the user won't notice a difference even though the scores may be substantially different.
2. My phone has been running for four days without a reboot or any task killing. I have have 239 MB free. Sure some phones have 2 GB of RAM but maybe they need it because their skins or so heavy. I don't have an issue with this phone and the 1 GB.
3. Sorry, I haven't used the camera much. I have taken two pictures and they came out nice
I wanted to add this in case it helps:
Some phones may come out that are faster UIs (like the Nexus 4) but the fact that this phone has LTE and the most amazing battery life in the market (I have the MAXX). Over the weekend I was at 27% after 53 hours off of the charger and nearly 6 hours of screen time. The fact the you can use your phone without worrying about running out of juice is priceless. Also, the phone comes with ICS out of the box. I'm running the JB and I can tell you that it's much smoother and basically all lag was eliminated with the update. The official OTA may be even better.

I got a screaming deal on the MAXX so ended up getting 2 and this is what I have found so far:
1. First thing I did was install the JB leak and it is now considerably faster. ICS really is what's holding the phone back. UI is buttery smooth.
2. Memory management is actually pretty good because the skin is pretty damn close to stock. With most stuff I use being open I have 300mb free right now.
3. The stock moto camera app sucks, the nexus 4 one is a lot better and gets rid of shutter lag completely.
I came from iPhone land and so far I am very impressed with this phone, plus the battery lasts forever.

gus6464 said:
I got a screaming deal on the MAXX so ended up getting 2 and this is what I have found so far:
1. First thing I did was install the JB leak and it is now considerably faster. ICS really is what's holding the phone back. UI is buttery smooth.
2. Memory management is actually pretty good because the skin is pretty damn close to stock. With most stuff I use being open I have 300mb free right now.
3. The stock moto camera app sucks, the nexus 4 one is a lot better and gets rid of shutter lag completely.
I came from iPhone land and so far I am very impressed with this phone, plus the battery lasts forever.
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For #3, are you saying there is a 4.2 camera replacement in the market? Or are you just comparing the the Nexus 4?

You can't always judge speed based on counting cores (http://www.tmonews.com/2012/05/editorial-why-a-snapdragon-s4-galaxy-s-iii-is-awesome/). As a previous poster said, the Galaxy Nexus is dual-core, and runs very smooth. I have the Razr HD, and there are many times when I think it runs better than my quad-core Nexus 7. This device is fast, and JB will make it faster.
I would of course prefer 2GB of memory. But it's really not a huge issue. Android will keep as much in RAM as it sees fit, and when it runs low, suspend apps to make room for the current one. What this means is that when you switch back to the suspended app, Android will restore it (assuming the app developer coded well). The end result is: More memory means apps get suspended less often, but unless you are a very heavy multitasker, you probably won't notice much of a difference at this point.
I can't speak much about the camera. I've heard some complaints, but I don't really have any. I would suggest you take some photos in the store, and see. I have a variety of third party camera apps, and am OK.
This phone has the same processors as the US version of the S3. Same GPU. Roughly the same screen. Really nice build quality. Awesome battery life.
It's a killer device.

Thanks for all the info. So in regards to the camera, are you saying that I'll get better shots with the Nexus 4 camera app? Meaning it's a software issue limiting the camera quality not hardware? That eases my nerves a bit. Thanks to both of you for the advice!

linedpaper said:
Hello All,
I'm looking at picking up a Maxx HD, but I had some questions about a few components from those of you who have it. My three concerns are:
1. Processor - is dual core quick enough? Quad cores are coming out now, but I'm not sure how long I can wait, probably not beyond Jan, not sure what new there will be by then.
2. Ram - is 1gb enough? See any issues maxing this out?
3. Camera - This one is important to me, I want it to take some decent pics but I've read some bad things about the pics taken from the camera on this phone. I'm coming from an iPhone 4, looking for at least that quality in the pictures (I know it's an older one). I've also heard that the JB leaks give a boost to the camera as well.
Any input is very much appreciated.
Thanks,
Tim
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1. The processor seems more than adequate, I don't notice a difference between it and the Note 2 or DNA, they are all very smooth.
2. I didn't notice the RAM holding this phone back either, I'd say it's fine for now but it will cause problems down the road when newer OS versions come out. That's a major reason why older phones are no longer able to be upgraded (so the manufacturers claim)
3. The camera sucks, plain and simple. This is one of two reasons why I returned my MAXX HD unfortunately.

Another note:
A Best Buy employee told me that they have a 14 day return policy with no restocking fee on upgrades. They have a 30 exchange period. So you can try a phone out for bit and exchange it for another one with no penalty. If you have for more than 14 days, you're forced to upgrade and you can't return the phone (but can exchange it).
Finally, my Best Buy price matched Amazon Wireless so I got the MAXX HD for $174.99

So the consensus seems to be the camera isn't very good. How would it compare coming from an older phone? I'm coming from an iPhone 4, so my camera is a bit behind the times too, will it be worse than that? I don't want to step backwards, but not as good as some out there isn't a problem for me.
Thanks,
Tim

The camera is the only problem of this mobile.Les photos are beautiful but the autofocus is long.
Super mobile ......love
Funk on 4.1.1 SFR official ( in OTA today)
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I imagine the camera has to be better than my old iPhone 4 and that's all I'm looking for I guess is the same or improved. If I'm wrong here please correct me. I don't need an amazing camera as I'll use my DSLR, but I want it to be good. I don't mind trying and returning if I don't like it, the problem is that I'm on AT&T now and have to port my number to try it, then port my number back to AT&T if I go with the One X+ instead (the other phone I was considering).
Thanks,
Tim

linedpaper said:
I imagine the camera has to be better than my old iPhone 4 and that's all I'm looking for I guess is the same or improved. If I'm wrong here please correct me. I don't need an amazing camera as I'll use my DSLR, but I want it to be good. I don't mind trying and returning if I don't like it, the problem is that I'm on AT&T now and have to port my number to try it, then port my number back to AT&T if I go with the One X+ instead (the other phone I was considering).
Thanks,
Tim
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I think the camera is actually nice when you switch the app and I came from an iPhone 4 as well. As far as porting you can always open the new line on verizon with a new number and then if you decide to keep the phone you can port your number later. That way you can get a One X+ with ATT to try out and the RAZR as well.
I will say this though that this phone does look a lot better built than the One X and even the Droid DNA but then again I have never considered HTC phones to have that great of build quality anyway.

Very good, thanks for all the info! I think I've decided, unless something new comes out in the next month, looking at getting it right after Christmas.

[Q] N5 vs G2 vs S4 showdown - pics and video now posted

I have an S4, G2 and a N5 in my house tonight and I'll be doing some comparison shots with the Cameras over the weekend to help everyone out.
I want to know what stuff you'd like to see in a 3 way between these three devices. Let me know below.
Should be a fun project, will post a YouTube video comparing different things like boot up time, Antutu scores and other stuff (suggestions welcomed). I'm happy to try include all suggestions, reasonable ofc, including full res unedited shots for direct side by side comparison on my blog when I'm done.
Go nuts... suggest your hearts out! :highfive:

Can you take some sample photos using all three phones? I want to get the N5 only if the photos taken on it is great like Google said. Thanks
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alexktz said:
I have an S4, G2 and a N5 in my house tonight and I'll be doing some comparison shots with the Cameras over the weekend to help everyone out.
I want to know what stuff you'd like to see in a 3 way between these three devices. Let me know below.
Should be a fun project, will post a YouTube video comparing different things like boot up time, Antutu scores and other stuff (suggestions welcomed). I'm happy to try include all suggestions, reasonable ofc, including full res unedited shots for direct side by side comparison on my blog when I'm done.
Go nuts... suggest your hearts out! :highfive:
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3dMark Ice Storm (whichever test they can all run).
Time from homescreen to playing youtube, netflix.
Battery life going from 100% to dead playing youtube on 50% brightness (just use one of those 100 hour loop videos).
Visibility in direct sunlight at 25%, 50%, and 100% brightness.
Camera clarity in various stages of low lighting using whatever tricks each one has.
Performance after loading up 10+ apps on each.
Loudspeaker clarity and volume with music and voice.
Recharge time from dead to full on AC.

Alot of speculation on the battery, is it good? Does it suck like the n4? In the end we know it will never be as good as the g2.

malek777 said:
Alot of speculation on the battery, is it good? Does it suck like the n4? In the end we know it will never be as good as the g2.
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What do you mean exactly in your last statement? Both phones have something the other one doesn't. The N5 uses the new Gorilla Glass 3 and the G2 is not. The G2 has a 5.2 inch screen while the N5 has a 4.95in screen. The battery on the G2 is surprisingly large in capacity.
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What im saying is a lot of people are waiting to see the battery test results to decide on whether to purchase this device or not. The g2 has a spectacular battery thats hard to beat.
Im just waiting for the reviews to start rolling.
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What im saying is a lot of people are waiting to see the battery test results to decide on whether to purchase this device or not. The g2 has a spectacular battery thats hard to beat.
Im just waiting for the reviews to start rolling.

I've shot most of the footage I need but will have to do the battery tests tomorrow as those things take time!
It's also worth bearing in mind that a brand new battery vs a 3 week old battery (my S4 and G2 are both that age) isn't really fair as the N5 won't be fully calibrated yet. My initial gut is that the N5 is about as good as the HTC one, which figures as the MaH is the same.
I've owned all 4 devices in the last 2 months (don't ask!) and honestly, the Nexus 5 is my favourite so far. I'm going to edit the footage this evening, and put it up soon. Thanks for the requests...

alexktz said:
I've shot most of the footage I need but will have to do the battery tests tomorrow as those things take time!
It's also worth bearing in mind that a brand new battery vs a 3 week old battery (my S4 and G2 are both that age) isn't really fair as the N5 won't be fully calibrated yet. My initial gut is that the N5 is about as good as the HTC one, which figures as the MaH is the same.
I've owned all 4 devices in the last 2 months (don't ask!) and honestly, the Nexus 5 is my favourite so far. I'm going to edit the footage this evening, and put it up soon. Thanks for the requests...
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Thanks for taking the time to do the comparisons. I'm looking forward to the results. I'm also glad to hear your favourite is the Nexus 5 so far, as after I ordered one I had that old twinge of buyers remorse/worry that I should've gone for the G2.

FlexiPack said:
Thanks for taking the time to do the comparisons. I'm looking forward to the results. I'm also glad to hear your favourite is the Nexus 5 so far, as after I ordered one I had that old twinge of buyers remorse/worry that I should've gone for the G2.
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The G2 is a fantastic product, but it's not £170 more fantastic.
I really liked the button placement as I cycle everywhere and adjusting volume has always been a pain whilst on the bike, but with the G2 I could do it even with gloves on! The G2 has two major points against it,
1) LGs skin - it's not a patch on Sense (which is excellent on the HTC ONE) and significantly cheapens the experience
2) Noone is buying it because of the N5 - so there aren't any ROMs coming (I enjoy the stock android experience and usually run Cyanogenmod, this doesn't look like a reality anytime soon on the G2).
The G2 battery is wonderful though lasting me a full 48 hours without issue. My S4 is usually gasping at the end of each day, I use my phone A LOT. Maybe 6-8 hours of screen on time. I'm resigned to having to buy an Anker battery pack for the N5 and just sling it in my backpack, no biggy - but hopefully once the new phone'ness has worn off I'll be able to get a full work day and then topup when I get in.
A mod to resize the on screen menu buttons can't come soon enough for the N5 though, they gobble up a LOT of space.
The N5 is my fav to hold and look at, prefer it even the HTC One. Very happy customer.

alexktz said:
The G2 is a fantastic product, but it's not £170 more fantastic.
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I wrestled with the N5 vs G2 vs Note 3 in my head over the past few weeks. and what you mention here is really what it boils down to(for me). the price difference was almost enough to sway me to the N5 alone, but then when you talk about bloatware on top of all that. the N5 wins by a mile.

How are the viewing angles? I know the Nexus 4's were pretty bad. That's one thing I miss about from my Galaxy Nexus.

Could you do a comparison of the noise cancellation on the three phones? Perhaps turn up some music and then record yourself a voicemail message on each phone and see how much they cancel out the background sound, when you play the messages back?
Both the S4 and the G2 have Audience's noise cancellation chip (Earsmart), which is much better than anything else out there. It was in the Nexus One, but no subsequent Nexus devices. I'm hoping it will be in the Nexus 5, since the G2 has it, but I kind of suspect it won't be there (to save money). Anyway, a comparison of how the noise cancellation works would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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alexktz said:
Noone is buying it because of the N5 - so there aren't any ROMs coming (I enjoy the stock android experience and usually run Cyanogenmod, this doesn't look like a reality anytime soon on the G2).
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Huh? Did you look at the XDA section for the G2. There's already Cyanogenmod for the G2, as well as Vanir. There's also unofficial versions of Paranoid Android, CarbonRom, BeanStalk, P.A.C., and AOKP. And that's just in the Original Android Development section. There's lots of ROMs.

Charging results
I let all the phones run down overnight to 0% using the battery drain app from Play store. I then used the charger and cable that came with each device, here are the results - interesting test.
N5 - 2,300mah battery, 5.6V / 1.2A charger
S4 - 2,600mah battery, 5.0V / 2.0A charger
G2 - 3,000mah battery, 5.0V / 1.8A charger
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Could you do a drop test for all three? Thanks.

eksasol said:
Could you do a drop test for all three? Thanks.
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I'll do it later
Anyway, I went for a nice walk around Norwich this morning with my dog and took several photos with each device. I've uploaded them to google+ and the results are here now for you to see.
Nexus 5
LG G2
Galaxy S4
The results are really fairly evenly matched, even in the couple of shots that I took in low light last night there's very little to tell between the cameras.
Nice job on the N5 google.

alexktz said:
I'll do it later
Anyway, I went for a nice walk around Norwich this morning with my dog and took several photos with each device. I've uploaded them to google+ and the results are here now for you to see.
Nexus 5
LG G2
Galaxy S4
The results are really fairly evenly matched, even in the couple of shots that I took in low light last night there's very little to tell between the cameras.
Nice job on the N5 google.
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Alex, thanks for doing this. Really importantly, do you have any opinions on the screen in comparison to the lg g2 or any other? It's the most important thing to me - I'm specifically talking about colour saturation/white balance as this was an issue on the not very well calibrated nexus 4.
Is it washed out? Or is it as good as the g2? Seem to be getting mixed opinions from all sources. Best way would be to turn both phones up to max brightness and google an image of some kind (yellows a good test colour) onto both to compare.
Any thoughts on this are desired and very welcome!
Thanks.

paddylaz said:
Alex, thanks for doing this. Really importantly, do you have any opinions on the screen in comparison to the lg g2 or any other? It's the most important thing to me - I'm specifically talking about colour saturation/white balance as this was an issue on the not very well calibrated nexus 4.
Is it washed out? Or is it as good as the g2? Seem to be getting mixed opinions from all sources. Best way would be to turn both phones up to max brightness and google an image of some kind (yellows a good test colour) onto both to compare.
Any thoughts on this are desired and very welcome!
Thanks.
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The G2 screen is much better, clearer and the colours 'pop' more.

alexktz said:
I'll do it later
Anyway, I went for a nice walk around Norwich this morning with my dog and took several photos with each device. I've uploaded them to google+ and the results are here now for you to see.
Nexus 5
LG G2
Galaxy S4
The results are really fairly evenly matched, even in the couple of shots that I took in low light last night there's very little to tell between the cameras.
Nice job on the N5 google.
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Thanks for the photos. Interesting results. I've done some side by side comparisons between the Nexus 5 & S4 at 100% Crop. To me there's little difference. Perhaps the S4 resolves a touch more detail due to it's higher megapixel count but I also think the the S4 applies too much sharpening. The Nexus 5 is a bit more reserved with the sharpening which I'm pleased to see as it will allowed a bit more latitude with post processing. There is a touch of noise and artifacts in the sky of the Nexus 5 photo but remember these are viewed at 100%.
Note - these screen captures were made with the windows print screen key so the colour profiles will have been stripped. So don't pay too much attention to the colours.
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Thanks for taking your time taking photos. It seems the camera is mediocre. It's an improvement over the N4 but not enough for me to buy the N5. Boo.
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A couple of more comparisons between the N5 & S4. Look at the detail in the grass on the N5 photo. I much prefer the N5 results.
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