who Google is pitching the Nexus S at? - Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

who Google is pitching the Nexus S at? - Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I don't know quite who Google is pitching the Nexus S at... To me, it makes no sense but I'd like to get the opinion of owners and why you upgraded (or if, indeed, this is your first Android phone)
As I see it, the NS makes no sense whatsoever except perhaps that panel availability for the N1 may have forced their hand - I'm wondering if the switch to Samsung as a manufacturer relates to the availability of AMOLED displays... Both the GS and the NS feel very flimsy to me compared to HTC devices... Although the GPU is much faster, I don't think that alone really justifies it and regardless of my feelings for Samsung as a manufacturer I just can't understand why Google didn't just release 2.3 for the N1, and wait for multicore Cortex A9-based SOCs like Tegra 2 to come to market and give people an actual upgrade regardless of the manufacturer of the device, rather than just the same thing in a different shell, creating yet more market fragmentation?!
Edit: And I've owned a lot of 3G phones with front-facing cameras over the years and have yet to use one! NFC might prove useful, but surely it could've waited for the next 'proper' upgrade to the 'Google Phone'?

Why? Why not.....its powerful, fairly priced, good looking, cutting edge OS, no bloatware, great screen, and it is nice and exclusive.

willcpfc said:
Why? Why not.....its powerful, fairly priced, good looking, cutting edge OS, no bloatware, great screen, and it is nice and exclusive.
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Hmm, but that's my point... Which one of those did the N1 not fulfil? Sure, we expect a manufacturer's lines to be upgraded on a regular basis these days, but I just don't think it's enough of a step forward to justify the change... Why spend money on R&D, advertising, etc for a new device that really isn't an upgrade from the one it replaces? And it leaves N1 owners dead in the water for no good reason - I'd be a little less peeved about potentially not getting official updates from Google any more (if I were an N1 owner) if the replacement model were actually an upgrade, with a fancy dual core CPU, higher DPI screen, etc, etc... But it isn't. It just makes no sense
I mean... Imagine if the Nexus One had actually been just a G1 with a different chassis and a faster GPU, yet retained the sluggish CPU, HVGA screen, 3MP camera, etc? Everybody would have laughed at them, yet they do this with the NS and they get applauded. Tegra 2 phones are about to hit the market - does this mean another Google Phone release 6 months down the line?

I have owned both the N1 and NS. I just sold the N1 because the NS is a much better phone.
- Screen is way better - (larger, smoother, more vibrant). N1 screen, and definitely the iphone4 screen just seem too small after using this. 4" screen is the sweet spot
- Multitouch is way better
- Visibility outdoors is way better
- Capacitive buttons are way better
- gpu is way better
- CPU is better
-External speaker is better
- 16gb internal memory is better for me, 1gb for apps so no more messing with apps2sd, and I have 10GB music on there and plenty of room for everty thing else
- Read/writes to internal memory much faster than class 6 micro sdcard
- FFC is great for talking to gf when either of us are away on business
- I actually like the styling of the phone better than the nexus one. The all black look is very sleek especially with pure blacks on SAMOLED screen. Very classy looking phone
- Build quality is great
- Gingerbread is great and only getting better with CM7. Nothing is beating the NS benchmark wise.
The Nexus S makes perfect sense to me. The only thing lacking is a car dock and desktop dock. 4G would have been nice but we don't get it in my area anyway. NS is pretty much the perfect phone for me right now.
Let's not get all dual core crazy until we see their real life performance running froyo (because that is what they will be released with).
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the N1. I just like the NS more.

irishrally said:
Let's not get all dual core crazy until we see their real life performance running froyo (because that is what they will be released with).
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Let's remember that Android have to be optimized for dual cores to fully use its processor. And we all know how manufacturers are with OS updates
+1 for Nexus

Not coming from N1 I cannot comment. However it is fair to say that the original nexus had a long long life....I look at my wife's HTC desire, which we brought when it came out....its obsolete now. All phones get bettered....this time next year I expect dual cores will be rather past it. You will wait forever for the next best thing. Right now a Nexus S is a top drawer device.

Because I wanted it.
No offense, mate, neither I nor anyone else need to justify my/our purchases to you/anyone else.
EDIT: This is also thread #14831948135971 on Nexus S vs Other Phones.

irishrally said:
I have owned both the N1 and NS. I just sold the N1 because the NS is a much better phone.
- Screen is way better - (larger, smoother, more vibrant). N1 screen, and definitely the iphone4 screen just seem too small after using this. 4" screen is the sweet spot
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Hmm, that's a matter of opinion. I find 4" phones uncomfortable in the pocket.
- Multitouch is way better
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Hmm, that's true, the N1/Desire touch panel is a bit rubbish.
- Capacitive buttons are way better
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I'd prefer physical buttons either way.... Which is the main reason I got the Desire over the N1!
- CPU is better
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Not according to the benchmarks I can find. It's the same, or perhaps just a little slower MHz-to-MHz vs the Scorpion core in the Snapdragons.
- External speaker is better
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True, but they're both pretty tinny compared to some older phones like my Nokia 6233. That should be the benchmark!
- 16gb internal memory is better for me, 1gb for apps so no more messing with apps2sd, and I have 10GB music on there and plenty of room for everty thing else
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I have a 32GB MicroSD in my Desire... I'd like to have that option! No memory slot seems like a massive downgrade to me. Admittedly, I can't upgrade beyond 32GB, but when SDXC becomes more mainstream I can't see that its worth manufacturers cutting corners with the memory card slot. It was one of the most annoying things about my iPhone.
- FFC is great for talking to gf when either of us are away on business
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I guess somebody has to use it! I'm glad I've finally heard of somebody who does. Every phone I had between about since 2003 'till the iPhone has had a video calling cam, as do many people I know's phones yet nobody actually seems to use them. Perhaps the prohibitive cost of video calling in the UK is part of the reason, but I'm happy enough talking to people!
- I actually like the styling of the phone better than the nexus one. The all black look is very sleek especially with pure blacks on SAMOLED screen. Very classy looking phone
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If it's not a pentile display, that definitely counts as an upgrade Looks are very subjective - I wouldn't call the Nexus S an 'inspired' design, but at least its not ugly like the Desire HD To me, it looks no better than the N1. The iPhone 4 is prettier, but then I'm an Apple-design whore and could never live with iOS again after using Andoid
- Build quality is great
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Feels flimsy to me... But then, so do all Samsung phones. Mmm, plasticy!
- Gingerbread is great and only getting better with CM7. Nothing is beating the NS benchmark wise.
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I got 2495 on Quadrant on my Desire running MIUI. Really? And do benchmarks actually matter anyway? I've played with an NS, and it didn't 'feel' any faster than my phone running 2.3. Plus, surely I could have had that performance 10 months ago when the GS was released?
At the end of the day, I'm not questioning that the NS is a better phone than the N1, just whether such a minor upgrade justified it when new generation Android hardware is starting to hit the market now.

unremarked said:
Because I wanted it.
No offense, mate, neither I nor anyone else need to justify my/our purchases to you/anyone else.
EDIT: This is also thread #14831948135971 on Nexus S vs Other Phones.
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I'm not asking anybody to justify anything, I just wonder why Google have made such a move.... I'm sure the NS is a great phone, as for that matter is the GS which is pretty much identical and you could've had nearly a year ago!

Azurael said:
I got 2495 on Quadrant on my Desire running MIUI.
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NS hits 4100 on Quadrant. Check out the bionix kernel thread for screenshots.
Benchmarks don't mean everything but they do mean something.
EDIT: CM7 with 1.5ghz morfic kernel:
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1-star rating for yet another "NS sounds like it sucks, why should I get one?" thread... How many times have all these same questions/challenges/answers been discussed in multiple other threads?
I think anyone who says that the NS isn't a significant improvement over the N1 hardware-wise has probably never touched an NS. Now, if you want to say that the NS isn't a signficant improvement over the Galaxy S line, I wouldn't argue too much.
The display (SuperAMOLED) and touchscreen that actually does more than two points on multitouch, and does it accurately, are leaps and bounds ahead of the N1's overly-red, can't-be-used-in-sunlight display and touchscreen that is prone to inaccurate registration.
The internal ROM space is larger and faster, and you don't have to screw around with apps2sd.
The GPU is the best you can get for the near future.
It's purpose is to show manufacturers what the minimum hardware performance is, and it's market is to target users who wanted the best hardware available at the time of release with the latest version of the OS.

distortedloop said:
I think anyone who says that the NS isn't a significant improvement over the N1 hardware-wise has probably never touched an NS. Now, if you want to say that the NS isn't a signficant improvement over the Galaxy S line, I wouldn't argue too much.
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Look... I'm not slagging you, or anybody else who bought a Nexus S off - it (like the N1) is a brilliant phone. Obviously, nobody would buy an N1 over an NS now, since they're a similar price. I'm slagging Google off for needlessly diluting the market with a product that simply doesn't need to, or have a reason to exist, rather than holding out only a couple of months for a new platform which would actually have given customers something they couldn't have bought before.
And yes, if for some bizarre reason it really matters to you, I have used a Nexus S. Not for long, but for long enough to know that it's exactly the same phone as the Galaxy S (a phone I did borrow for a week or so while deciding which Android phone to buy) which I could have bought 10 months ago. The fact that it is a phone I passed over to buy the Desire due to its smaller size, better build quality and less broken software (at the time, although I'm sure both the original Galaxy S and Nexus S have brilliant software even if you stick to official releases NOW.) is irrelevant to the point I'm making and purely my opinion.

Azurael said:
Look... I'm not slagging you, or anybody else who bought a Nexus S off - it (like the N1) is a brilliant phone. Obviously, nobody would buy an N1 over an NS now, since they're a similar price. I'm slagging Google off for needlessly diluting the market with a product that simply doesn't need to, or have a reason to exist, rather than holding out only a couple of months for a new platform which would actually have given customers something they couldn't have bought before.
And yes, if for some bizarre reason it really matters to you, I have used a Nexus S. Not for long, but for long enough to know that it's exactly the same phone as the Galaxy S (a phone I did borrow for a week or so while deciding which Android phone to buy) which I could have bought 10 months ago. The fact that it is a phone I passed over to buy the Desire due to its smaller size, better build quality and less broken software (at the time, although I'm sure both the original Galaxy S and Nexus S have brilliant software even if you stick to official releases NOW.) is irrelevant to the point I'm making and purely my opinion.
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Doesn't need to exist? Sounds like you just don't like Samsung.
I own a Nexus One, Vibrant, Droid X, Nexus S, G1, etc.
The Vibrant used to be the fastest of them all. The Vibrant was my main phone but there was one problem. RFS file system. It needed stock Google. I even worked on ROMs trying to clone stock Google onto the Vibrant, then the Nexus S came out with Gingerbread.
The Vibrant itself is superior to the Nexus One. The Nexus S is better than the Vibrant because of stock Google, lack of RFS, and because of Gingerbread's Hummingbird CPU JIT optimizations.
Now, the Vibrant running Froyo was still smooth and sleaker than any phone I've touched including the G2 etc. But the Nexus S is the next level up because of Gingerbread.
The Hummingbird is superior to the Nexus S Snapdragon. However the MyTouch 4g and G2 have about equal processing power as the Hummingbird, BUT the Hummingbird has the best GPU out, and WILL continue to have the best GPU out until the Qualcomm dual core or Orion comes to phones. The Tegra2 has a worse GPU than the Hummingbird. The GPU is what makes everything smooth.
The Nexus S will be top of the line until Q4 of 2011. Just like the Nexus One was pretty up there until Q4 of 2010.
Educate yourself on the processors, Hummingbird, Tegra2, Orion, Qualcomm, etc.
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...ion-samsungs-implementation-of-arm-cortex-a9/
You may say the Nexus S was unnecessary, but in all honesty it couldn't be more necessary. We needed a new stock Android with a 4" screen, a Hummingbird or better CPU/GPU combo, front facing camera, and a Super AMOLED.
This phone will be hot stuff. Tegra2 isn't a worthy upgrade to a Hummingbird. They're about equal when you balance out CPU / GPU.
I'm crossing my fingers for a 4g Nexus running Honeycomb, with a Super AMOLED / retina combo (extra high resolution), and a Samsung Orion processor / GPU combo at the end of 2011. That would be the fastest device possible, and I won't be upgrading until that is out. Also it should have support for both T-Mobile HSPA+ and AT&T LTE and 3g, and Euro 3g standards. Be a multi-carrier device, just in case I need to move.
Now I'm not saying the Tegra2 is bad, but it's not heaps better than the Hummingbird.

Azurael said:
And yes, if for some bizarre reason it really matters to you, I have used a Nexus S.
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Doesn't matter to me at all.
What's the point of coming into a forum dedicated to the use of a specific device and throwing out remarks like yours?
It's clear you think the device isn't worth the money, and no one's going to convince you otherwise, so why bother? Go off and enjoy your Nexus 1 or whatever you're using - only Google/Samsung can your original questions, and they're not here...

Azurael said:
I'm not asking anybody to justify anything, I just wonder why Google have made such a move.... I'm sure the NS is a great phone, as for that matter is the GS which is pretty much identical and you could've had nearly a year ago!
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'cept I didn't want a Vibrant.
As there is only one poster on these forums, as far as I'm aware anyway, who actually works for Google, they are the only ones qualified to answer you on "why Google made such a move." The rest of your statement pretty much confirms you're yet another snarky poster from another section of the XDA forums who is posting here asking us to justify our purchases because you think we either A) need your permission/approval or B) are incapable of making rational and informed decisions ourselves.
Your question has been answered in the stickied FAQ in this section. I hope a mod will lock this thread soon.
unremarked said:
Q: My toys are better than your toys! Hahahaha!
Stop it and grow up. Different strokes for different folks. People spend their money on what they want to spend it on regardless of your agreement on their choice. Not to mention that this kind of behavior goes against the spirit of this community.
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for me the selection was simple
I wanted a SAMOLED phone that works in 1700+2100
with at least 1 Ghz stock CPU and 16 GB RAM, with GPS, and all the xtra toys and wishes it can pack inside this nice an think wafer
the only unfortunate thing is missing the external SD support

unremarked said:
Because I wanted it.
No offense, mate, neither I nor anyone else need to justify my/our purchases to you/anyone else.
EDIT: This is also thread #14831948135971 on Nexus S vs Other Phones.
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Agreed
Ugh really getting tired of these thread, my fault for even reading them though.

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Nexus S: No SD slot, 512mb ram, no HSPA+?! WTF...

So my remorse period on my mt4g ends today and I was thinking of returning it so I can wait for the Nexus S, mainly for the pure Google experience.
Now that I see the specs I'm dumbfounded. WHY ON EARTH is it not HSPA+?
Less ram, no sd slot, no hspa+. I should probably just keep my mt4g with my whopping 768 megs of ram.
Thoughts???

**** this phone.. absolute deal breaker for me was no expansion slot... at least they should of put 32 gigs of internal memory... what a massive disappointment...

diehard2222 said:
**** this phone.. absolute deal breaker for me was no expansion slot... at least they should of put 32 gigs of internal memory... what a massive disappointment...
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I'm still thinking about it just for the pure Google...

WTF £549 UK and $529 in US For unlocked version?!
Would it be possible to buy from US and will it work in UK?
Will save $331 if its possible
Pricing is also a big issue, i mean why is there such a big price difference for the same sim free phone, surely the shipping costs are not that high?!
differences from the Galaxy S are NFC curved screen and Gingerbread. The first 2 people arent too bothered about with the galaxy s already having a beautiful screen and gingerbread will come in the future or via a custom rom (if possible)
Major disappointment was expecting a dual core processor (orion) and a higher resolution screen. oh well at least its got a flash for camera

rizzy123 said:
WTF £549 UK and $529 in US For unlocked version?!
Would it be possible to buy from US and will it work in UK?
Will save $331 if its possible
Pricing is also a big issue, i mean why is there such a big price difference for the same sim free phone, surely the shipping costs are not that high?!
differences from the Galaxy S are NFC curved screen and Gingerbread. The first 2 people arent too bothered about with the galaxy s already having a beautiful screen and gingerbread will come in the future or via a custom rom (if possible)
Major disappointment was expecting a dual core processor (orion) and a higher resolution screen. oh well at least its got a flash for camera
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No clue on the shipping, but might want to research network differences.
As for the Galaxy S similarities - yeah, I noticed that right away. Same ram, same processor (although newer version, right? Will confirm.), same screen.
It does have the NFC thing, and I noticed the other day that the Fascinate already has the flash. Why the Vibrant doesn't is completely beyond me...
I swear, I really don't understand the manufacturers' decision-making process regarding spec of new hardware.
EDIT - I have to rant about this again. Why the **** did they not include support for HSPA+? That just doesn't make any sense to anybody...

Phateless said:
As for the Galaxy S similarities - yeah, I noticed that right away. Same ram, same processor (although newer version, right? Will confirm.), same screen.
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Yup, Galaxy S and Nexus S have the same processor; cortex a8. The mt4g has a newer processor, I think; Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon.
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*Sigh* all signs point toward the MT4G being a superior piece of hardware. I wonder why Google took the Nexus away from HTC and gave it to Samsung?

I'm more surprised that so many people were considering buying a Samsung phone.
Their issues go well beyond software quality

I will stick with my Galaxy S until a better phone with NAM frequencies comes around.
No sd expansion is a deal breaker for me as I normally use around 20GB for music, videos, and pictures.
Gingerbread will be ported to the similarly specd Galaxy S soon enough.

Seriously, lack of HSPA+ is the absolute deal breaker for me. I would have bought it for 2.3 alone but no HSPA+? It's like, why make a phone for a carrier and not support all its features? Why should I bother buying the Nexus S when HTC has released phones already that are better in almost every way and will release more in the future to trump? Why buy coal today when I can get gold tomorrow?
As much as I hate the MyTouch phones, I may end up with one. Why do all the Pure Google phones have to suck? (No offence N1 or G2 but N1 lacks HSPA+ and G2 is lower on processing power.)

sticking with the galaxy s for now

In the era of 768MB phones... (HTC) and time of 1.2GHz Cortex-A8 device (Motorola) with 8MP cameras (SonyEricsson) and mandatory SD slots and PROPERLY PLACED Home/Taskman buttons!!! We're presented with so called flagship phone that brings what??
Optimization for Samsung's Cortex-A8 architecture called Hummingbird?! Yes, that's OK, but what's with the rest of the offering? NFC!? who cares!?
this is really debacle!!
I still can't figure out who's idea was to place home button, that's so frequently used in the most ergonomically painful place?!
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IMHO, Samsung made deal with Google to use Nexus brand in exchange for some benefits (money, scraping Bada, not focusing on WP7... who knows... who cares), and only thing they did is to repack Galaxy S for the fifth time!!
That's fine by Google, and marketing people with in Samsung! For crying out loud they're selling crap-load of Galaxyes despite their very well know issues with GPS, that just can't be mended by software patches... at least not properly!
What's bad for Google is that for the first time a new flagship Android device hasn't delivered and lived up to hype!

[/QUOTE]Why do all the Pure Google phones have to suck? (No offence N1 or G2 but N1 lacks HSPA+ and G2 is lower on processing power.)[/QUOTE]
My g2 is clocked at 1.4 ghz
Without perm root
It takes me 20 seconds to root and 20 seconds to unroot
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These three things (SD slot, hspa+, 512 RAM) are a deal breaker for me as well. gingerbread is not really a great exclusivity because it will show up on mytouch 4g and G2 soon.
Such a beautiful phone limited by someone in product mgmt not looking at the current state of affairs in mobile hardware.

Phateless said:
Yup, Galaxy S and Nexus S have the same processor; cortex a8. The mt4g has a newer processor, I think; Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon.
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*Sigh* all signs point toward the MT4G being a superior piece of hardware. I wonder why Google took the Nexus away from HTC and gave it to Samsung?
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Must be a moneey thing. I wont pay $500.+ for just a front camera, and plastic.

I really don't get it. All of this leads me to the conclusion that I was a ****ing idiot for not buying the N1 the very first day it was out. All the rooting and futzing I've done with my mt3g was just to try to get it to run Navi and Pandora simultaneously. That's all I ever wanted.
If I had bought that phone on day one I would still be happy.
Don't get me wrong I love the mt4g, but I'll love it a lot more when CM6 or even CM7 are officially released.

LOL! I just noticed the capacitive buttons all have a different place compared to the Vibrant. Every. Single. Button. Moved! Wut the hell?!
Google is utterly ignorant when it comes to consistency and user experience. What a fail.
I went from HTC to Samsung (both Android phones) and had to reprogram my brain for the buttons. Why would I want to torture myself again, pressing back and exiting an app when I just wanted to open the menu, etc.
No, No, No...

Who said Nexus S was going to be a flagship?
Even the best hardware needs good software and optimization AND the hardware components must be chosen wisely to work together.
Not everything works good together. Samsung is the best at this. The hardware they choose is consistently good.
If you doubt it, then aks yourself why the Galaxy S has been released in 7 different versions, sold over 5 million times and become European Smartphone of the year!
So HTC and Motorola and whatnot may have phones with one or two good hardware components but the other components suck.
Thus they have to release lots of new phone to cover that their phones actually suck while the Galaxy S is future-proof.
The only thing Samsung couldn't do was the software part.
But Google saw the potential of Galaxy S and took care of the software problem by releasing the Nexus S with optimized Android Gingerbread.

donsasan said:
Who said Nexus S was going to be a flagship?
Even the best hardware needs good software and optimization AND the hardware components must be chosen wisely to work together.
Not everything works good together. Samsung is the best at this.
If you doubt it, then aks yourself why the Galaxy S has been released in 7 different versions, sold over 5 million times and become European Smartphone of the year!
So HTC and Motorola and whatnot may have phones with one or two good hardware components but the other components suck.
The only thing Samsung couldn't do was the software part.
But Google saw the potential of Galaxy S and took care of the software problem by releasing the Nexus S with optimized Android Gingerbread.
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You really believe that the MT4G will be a letdown as a total package? The only thing that bugs me is Sense, otherwise I love the look, feel and build quality.
I've had a few Samsung phones (never a smartphone) and think they make great hardware, but the GPS issues with Galaxy leave me less than impressed, especially since Navi is one of the primary reasons I love Android in the first place.

donsasan said:
Who said Nexus S was going to be a flagship?
Even the best hardware needs good software and optimization AND the hardware components must be chosen wisely to work together.
Not everything works good together. Samsung is the best at this.
If you doubt it, then aks yourself why the Galaxy S has been released in 7 different versions, sold over 5 million times and become European Smartphone of the year!
So HTC and Motorola and whatnot may have phones with one or two good hardware components but the other components suck.
The only thing Samsung couldn't do was the software part.
But Google saw the potential of Galaxy S and took care of the software problem by releasing the Nexus S with optimized Android Gingerbread.
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Samsung fails at hardware just as much as the other manufacturers. I don't know where you're getting this from, unless you really believe the GPS issues in Galaxy S phones are a software problem (I'm inclined not to).
Furthermore, the Hummingbird SoC is not much better than Moto's OMAP SoC in the Droid X, and it will be outperformed handily by chipsets being released soon.
The potential of Galaxy S wasn't much higher (if at all) than other phones released in that time frame. That hardware is ~8 months old now and it's nothing to rave about considering what newer phones will be releasing with - probably cheaper than this one.
And some of the ommissions (like the SD card and not upping the RAM when it's fairly obvious the phones don't have 512 MB application accessible RAM, more internal storage, more DRM/Media support, etc.) are simply laughable...
What Samsung did here is about as impressive as what HTC did with the HD7.
Put a new (though less impressively new) OS on old hardware and ripped some **** out of it, then bumped the pricetag up above practically every other smartphone on the market.
Who's gonna buy this **** when they can get Vibrants/HD7s via BOGO or cheap as hell on eBay or CraigsList due to the way T-Mobile cannibalizes the phone's value on the open market?

N8ter said:
Samsung fails at hardware just as much as the other manufacturers. I don't know where you're getting this from, unless you really believe the GPS issues in Galaxy S phones are a software problem (I'm inclined not to).
Furthermore, the Hummingbird SoC is not much better than Moto's OMAP SoC in the Droid X, and it will be outperformed handily by chipsets being released soon.
The potential of Galaxy S wasn't much higher (if at all) than other phones released in that time frame. That hardware is ~8 months old now and it's nothing to rave about considering what newer phones will be releasing with - probably cheaper than this one.
And some of the ommissions (like the SD card and not upping the RAM when it's fairly obvious the phones don't have 512 MB application accessible RAM, more internal storage, more DRM/Media support, etc.) are simply laughable...
What Samsung did here is about as impressive as what HTC did with the HD7.
Put a new (though less impressively new) OS on old hardware and ripped some **** out of it, then bumped the pricetag up above practically every other smartphone on the market.
Who's gonna buy this **** when they can get Vibrants/HD7s via BOGO or cheap as hell on eBay or CraigsList due to the way T-Mobile cannibalizes the phone's value on the open market?
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Agreed. I'm crowning the MT4G the current king of hardware.
For at least a week anyway.

Captivate to Inspire to Atrix to Inspire... and Im back on the Captivate!

Well, after 3 weeks of trying the Inspire and Atrix, at the end of the day I am back on the Captivate! I think the AT&T store are sick of me becuase I got the Inspire then returned it for the Atrix, then returned the Atrix for the Inspire. Why? Sound quality, video quality, size, screen quality, buttons and ease of use.
So thats my 2c.
It is interesting to see how many people also own, or have all, all three devices.
Note that my Captivate has a custom ROM.

Lol, As much as people diss the captivate it's hard to find another android phone that can match it.

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Do all your reason apply to both the Atrix and the Inspire?

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Do all your reason apply to both the Atrix and the Inspire?
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I returned the Inspire because of all of those reasons, but the Atrix had even more problems than that.

I had the atrix...it may be better on paper but I'll stick with the captivate

You guys are all smoking bad crack. The captivate blows. Down with samsung
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I got my Atrix, and no way am I going back to my Captivate full time... I'll miss the Captivate's screen, but in the end, the Atrix is a superior phone. Just waiting for my unlock code now so I can actually use it on my carrier, but damn, its insanely fast! Still keeping my Captivate for backup purposes and to satisfy my flashing addiction.
One thing I wish manufacturers would include, dual sim slots... Then I wouldn't need 2 separate phones, one for home and one for work... Seems simple enough and wouldn't be very costly to add, considering all the cheap Chinese knockoff phones come with dual and even triple (dual GSM and a single CDMA) sim slots which all work simultaneously.
Other than that and the inferior screen compared to the Captivate, it's pretty hard to complain about the Atrix, I hope the devs get around the bootloader or Motorola finally caves in and decides to let us unlock it if we chose to (like the Xoom), but I won't complain if it doesn't happen... I can get rid of the stock launcher easily and replace it with Launcher Pro Plus, Zeam or ADW, which is really my only complaint about Blur. I'm happy it doesn't include Gingerbread yet, as it's still quite buggy and really doesn't offer much over Froyo anyways... Besides, that leaves at least 1 update that will arrive soonish where Motorola may throw in the bootloader unlock if people complain enough. ... Of course I won't be holding my breath, but it would be nice.
Overall, I'm happy with my purchase, I'll put it through more rigorous testing in the coming weeks after I get my unlock code, I'm sure it'll perform just fine though.

I went into the store to play with the Atrix...To be honext it is an nice speedy phone. BUT with a custom rom (paragon 6.0) I did not really notice that much speed difference. I enjoy the captivate's screen MUCH more than the Atrix. Benchmarks I have seen, in some cases the Galaxy S comes out over the Atrix. I am sure when dual core is optimized via the o/s that will change, but for now...I am sticking with the captivate. I know many are down on Samsung, but i must say a Galaxy S 2 with the tegra 2 looks very tasty to me...

gandalf21502 said:
I went into the store to play with the Atrix...To be honext it is an nice speedy phone. BUT with a custom rom (paragon 6.0) I did not really notice that much speed difference. I enjoy the captivate's screen MUCH more than the Atrix. Benchmarks I have seen, in some cases the Galaxy S comes out over the Atrix. I am sure when dual core is optimized via the o/s that will change, but for now...I am sticking with the captivate. I know many are down on Samsung, but i must say a Galaxy S 2 with the tegra 2 looks very tasty to me...
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I'd be all over the Galaxy S 2 if it still had a 4" screen (and possibly a higher resolution), but the 4.3" screen is the deal breaker for me. Yes, I realize that the screen's quality is far superior to the Atrix's, but when all things are considered, the Atrix makes up for it in raw specs and awesome accessories...
The Captivate is already huge for a phone (in my opinion), I can't imagine using anything bigger than that. Thickness isn't a big concern for me (I don't see why people are so obsessed with how thin phones are, a mm or 2 really doesn't make a huge difference... But meh, to each his/her own), but the overall height and width is what really bothers me, at 125mm (~5"), it's huge compared to the Atrix's 117mm (~4.5") or even the Captivate's 121mm (~4.7")...
I'm more interested to see how well Samsung's dual core Exynos processor performs than the Tegra 2 on the Galaxy S 2, knowing how snappy the Hummingbird currently is and how long it kept the performance crown, I have no doubts that the Exynos will be able to hold its own against, and possibly even beat the Tegra 2.
And yes, I completely agree, until we see some optimizations in the OS and apps for dual core SOCs, there really won't be a huge difference between single and dual cores in terms of performance... Thankfully, Tegra 2 optimized apps and games are starting to pop up on the Market, so it's only a matter of time. Benchmarks really aren't a good way to measure performance between single and dual cores, they're not very accurate with single cores either (they vary greatly between different kernels, yet real world performance remains the same), so I take synthetic benchmark results with a grain of salt.
Either way, dual cores are still very much in their infancy, it can only get better from here, and if past phones are any indication, we're in for a hell of a year in terms of Android goodness.

Well I have played with an Evo, 4.3 inch screen, and I can handle it pretty nicely in my hands. I can't imagine much bigger though for a phone myself.
Phones and basically netbooks now. Not quite up to the power a laptop, but soon that will change. I do like the docks for the Atrix, but do not really want to pay $500 for it. I can get a good laptop for the price now. I want portable power in a small package.
I would say that the tegra will have a slight advantage only on the fact that there will be more software optimized to run on it most likely. Nvida is a big company imop that leads the pc gpu market.
Certainly going to be a GREAT YEAR for 'smartphones'...(almost think the name needs to change soon...

I have the captivate and nexus one right now, had the Atrix when it came out but took it back.
now I only use the Captivare to either play games or as a backup if the Nexus 1 dies on me.

Played with an atrix. Couldn't find a justification to buy it. Not very impressive. Liked the inspire more, but still not enough to give up the captivate
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Krad said:
You guys are all smoking bad crack. The captivate blows. Down with samsung
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it blows so much you have to spend time in our forum instead of the streaks...oh wait there isn't much to see in the streak forum is there

ekerbuddyeker said:
Well, after 3 weeks of trying the Inspire and Atrix, at the end of the day I am back on the Captivate! I think the AT&T store are sick of me becuase I got the Inspire then returned it for the Atrix, then returned the Atrix for the Inspire. Why? Sound quality, video quality, size, screen quality, buttons and ease of use.
So thats my 2c.
It is interesting to see how many people also own, or have all, all three devices.
Note that my Captivate has a custom ROM.
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No wonder there are so many "refurbs" out there...
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i was going to get the Atrix because of the lapdock but i read its not very functional as for the trackpad and a bit too pricey. still happy with my cappy, good thing we have developers busy making our captivate better everyday, since at&t is too busy with the iphone

For the first 4 months, I hated it. For the next 2, I thought it was alright. Since then it grew on me.

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For the first 4 months, I hated it. For the next 2, I thought it was alright. Since then it grew on me.
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Mikey, that was almost complimentary. You must be in a good mood for a change.

there are so many of these threads and soo many people have things they like about the captivate over there other phone. i messed with the atrix and like the webtop view but wish it did more than run firefox and web apps. it would be great if the phone view could be opened in multiple windows having all the active apps open at the same time if you wish but i guess you cant get everything. also a full text editor would be cool. i know it has office apps but a more desktop worthy app would be awesome in the webtop. but hearing that the inspire and atrix have lesser call quality makes me shy away from the atrix. the call quality is one of the best things about the captivate. plus the atrix does look a bit cheap with the back cover though i am gealous of the fingerprint reader and hdmi port.
now i want to put ubuntu on my phone so i can out do the atrix in the "hey my phone is a computer" catagory. my graphics benchmarks are already better. now we just need to find someone who can write a driver to get hdmi out from the usb port... hmmm i need to get my brother to stop playing wow, quit his night job and dev for android..

My friend bought and HD7, and as I played with it, the same charm the captivate had when I first saw it was pretty much non-existant. The Captivate is anything but perfect, but it is also anything but terrible. Oh, and it looks really bad ass too

G2x, Sensation, or Galaxy S II?

Before I ask, I know there have been many threads about this topic, but my question is a little more specific than the rest. I get to upgrade my phone sometime in the next few weeks and one of these will be my first android phone. As a young artist, I am mostly looking for a phone which will take quality photos for good reference and preferably one which has video auto focus. I'm also a heavy internet user (about 5 hours a day on iPod Touch) but coming from iOS, I long for flash player. I also like to game a lot so the dual core cpu performance has to be somewhat decent with good speeds (better than my 4th gen touch at least lol). Lastly I'm a big media person with music a videos so I'm looking for a quality screen, support for multiple media formats (specifically mkv), decent speakers, and if possible, support for in-line headphones with volume, FF and RR (optional to come in the box, but if there are alternative working ones, please post below as I haven't found a solution with android devices and working in-line headphones). I've played around with my cousins EVO a lot so I've grown a liking to HTC Sense but I would also like to try out stock android sometime. And after a lot of time reading reviews and comments, I've taken a liking to the Galaxy S II's screen but I'm not a fan of TouchWiz. As previously stated, coming from an iOS user, I'm hoping one of these phones can either match or have greater quality with the screen in terms of brightness and contrast (not so much with resolution but mostly with colors, hue, and saturation). I'm hoping this narrows down the margin between these 3 phones.
P.S. I'm also hoping for one of these to have great dev support since I love to customize and test new tweaks.
EDITED - Also as an additional post, can you explain the batter life of the 3 as best as you can (even considering not having much info about the sensation)

I would say the G2X after LG fixes the Bleeding screen, restarts, and battery life issue. Both the GS2 and Sensatoin both have skins over android to which I've never been a fan of. 1st GS2 Engaget did a review and called it the best smart phone on the planet (the week before g2x was lol) but its made of plastic and its really thin so if the unthinkable happens and you drop the phone changes are its going to get jacked up and touchwiz. 2. Sensation Ive never been a fan of sense its a power hungry beast that needs to be removed. Just look at the battery life of the thunderbolt its really bad.
I had the G2X for a week and I loved it, its solid like my Nexus One it feels like a phone. I dropped it twice once on my tile floor and there were no marks and once on my naked foot to which brought me great pain. (lol) The G2X will have CM7 the galaxy s phones don't have CM support so why do you think that GS2 will? I plan on getting anothe G2x I'm just waiting until the 2nd line of them.

It honestly sounds like the Galaxy S II is just right for you. I know you say you dont like touchwiz (believe me I hate it) but the TW 4.0 or whatever its called looks really nice. From what I have seen it looks better than sense ui. Anyways, there have been battles between the G2X and the Galaxy S II and hardware wise the GSII always has the upper hand with camera, performance, screen, colors, etc.. However there are many things to consider. Do we even know what US carrier (if any) will receive the GSII? Also coming from the vibrant I swore up and down I wouild never buy a samsung phone again. Their lack of software support was just unacceptable. Im not even talking upgrades, just basic bug fixes. Development for this phone NEVER gave us a fully functioning stock android or AOSP ROM. Sure CM7 made a lot of headway and may still come to the galaxy s with all the fixes but right now it still has bugs and some things just dont work.
To make a long story short, I got the G2X because I wanted a stock android experience with a lot of developer backing (specifically cyanogenmod) and the specs of the phone are pretty amazing. Now it sounds to me like media and camera are more important to you so you may feel more welcome by the Galaxy S II if you dont care about aftermarket roms and such.

get 2x
coming from a vibrant, i can say that screen on the g2x is actually better and it being a stock android updates come faster and custom roms will also. I can't wait for the cyanogen mod either. I had battery issues but after resetting my phone the battery works just fine. they all have similar processors but the g2x being stock will get you better performance. I am a photographer also and am creating a photo journal with the g2x and it does the job well. good luck

i say go for SGS2, it works quite good out of the box and it has a great screen and you will absolutely appreciate the larger screen. Though im not really a fan of touchwiz.
I have g2x and going to return it today for SGS2.

There is no doubt in my mind that the dev support will be there for the sgs2 but it will be greater on the g2x just b/c of all the vanillaness.
The weight of the galaxy line is extremely light but believe me when I say that it is extremely durable. My old cliq felt like a brick but the second time I dropped that it stopped working completely so weight and feel have nothing to do with durability.
My vibrant has pretty much been through the equivalent of back to back fights with Manny Pacquiao and Anderson Silva only to come out as the new peoples champ. If you can wait, I would say try to see what all 3 of them are like and whether or not they come to your carrier. Its what I'm gonna do b/c I would hate to be stuck in another 2 year contract and not have the phone that I'm gonna own for atleast half of that time.

I have the same question, but new phones will probably come out because my next upgrade is in September. I really hate big phones and it seems phones are getting bigger and bigger. I really like the nexus s design (A lot!) And I like stock android, so I think I might wait until the nexus s2 comes out. Hopefully it stays a bit close to the design of the nexus s.

Sense isn't that power hungry the reason why the thunderbolt sucks on battery life is because of the lte network. A custom sense rom usually has no data drops. Like the aosp roms do.
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Sense isn't that power hungry the reason why the thunderbolt sucks on battery life is because of the lte network. A custom sense rom usually has no data drops. Like the aosp roms do.
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Each one of my friends who had a sense phone who switched to a custom rom w/o sense batter life increased alot.

jrharvey said:
It honestly sounds like the Galaxy S II is just right for you. I know you say you dont like touchwiz (believe me I hate it) but the TW 4.0 or whatever its called looks really nice. From what I have seen it looks better than sense ui. Anyways, there have been battles between the G2X and the Galaxy S II and hardware wise the GSII always has the upper hand with camera, performance, screen, colors, etc.. However there are many things to consider. Do we even know what US carrier (if any) will receive the GSII? Also coming from the vibrant I swore up and down I wouild never buy a samsung phone again. Their lack of software support was just unacceptable. Im not even talking upgrades, just basic bug fixes. Development for this phone NEVER gave us a fully functioning stock android or AOSP ROM. Sure CM7 made a lot of headway and may still come to the galaxy s with all the fixes but right now it still has bugs and some things just dont work.
To make a long story short, I got the G2X because I wanted a stock android experience with a lot of developer backing (specifically cyanogenmod) and the specs of the phone are pretty amazing. Now it sounds to me like media and camera are more important to you so you may feel more welcome by the Galaxy S II if you dont care about aftermarket roms and such.
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Thanks for your input. Also as a CFW PSP user and a Jailbroken iOS user, I like to have a combination of both dev support and media features, so I wouldn't want to leave that out. I'm surprised that only one person gave consideration to the sensation when I stated how it was the only UI I've ever used so far on android, and I read how it had an HRD camera with auto focus video so I thought most would assume that as the better choice, but my only problem with it is how its rumored to not have an unlocked bootloader. I think atm I will go with the g2x but I hope to hear about some alternatives to getting inline music controls to work.

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coming from a vibrant, i can say that screen on the g2x is actually better and it being a stock android updates come faster and custom roms will also. I can't wait for the cyanogen mod either. I had battery issues but after resetting my phone the battery works just fine. they all have similar processors but the g2x being stock will get you better performance. I am a photographer also and am creating a photo journal with the g2x and it does the job well. good luck
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Thank you very much! when I saw still photos on the G2X compared to the S II, I thought it looked inferior, but being able to make a photo journal out of it seems to counter that argument. BTW is it possible for the camera to get an update for auto focus video recording like the Galaxy S Vibrant did? For camera usage, that is the only thing pushing me back from the G2X as well as the support for multiple video formats (which I hear the Galaxy S II will have based on the Exynos processor). Hope to receive some additional feedback.

If you go bluetooth you can get inline music control. I personally have and like the plantronics backbeats and the sweatproof motorola S-10 HDs. The backbeats are more flexible and easier to wear, while the S-10s are must haves for working out and sports.
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If you go bluetooth you can get inline music control. I personally have and like the plantronics backbeats and the sweatproof motorola S-10 HDs. The backbeats are more flexible and easier to wear, while the S-10s are must haves for working out and sports.
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i hear a lot of mixed things about bluetooth headphones. even though the sound quality is great and the music controls work, I cannot always depend on headphones which need charging. Having to charge one device already is enough so i am more suited for wired inline in ear headphones.

jree said:
There is no doubt in my mind that the dev support will be there for the sgs2 but it will be greater on the g2x just b/c of all the vanillaness.
The weight of the galaxy line is extremely light but believe me when I say that it is extremely durable. My old cliq felt like a brick but the second time I dropped that it stopped working completely so weight and feel have nothing to do with durability.
My vibrant has pretty much been through the equivalent of back to back fights with Manny Pacquiao and Anderson Silva only to come out as the new peoples champ. If you can wait, I would say try to see what all 3 of them are like and whether or not they come to your carrier. Its what I'm gonna do b/c I would hate to be stuck in another 2 year contract and not have the phone that I'm gonna own for atleast half of that time.
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Well not voting for the SGS2 here but I don't think Vanilla has any bearings on Dev Support, directly. Granted, I prefer vanilla and thus may contribute to its popularity, which, indirectly, popularity = dev support.
The only thing that matters is that the bootloader is unlocked and it is easily rootable and flashable. I mean once you get a CM rom on there, they all work the same.
I think Vanilla roms are more open to other variants like MIUI and the likes because they typically share the same partition structure. I know the G2x has a different structure and I think it is safe to say the SGS2 does too. Good thing that we are able to format and change the partitions to work across multiple roms.
The SGS2 was recently rooted and I think they found the bootloader to be unlocked. So it should be able to be flashed pretty easily.
One big factor that more people don't think about is the screen size. I have small hands (vs huge sausages) and the 4" screen of the G2x pushes my comfort zone. I think 4.3" would be too much and I would be fumbling it while trying to do one handed operations.
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
Nothing like buying a new toy and finding that it doesn't work with the latest HD games.
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that is the only thing pushing me back from the G2X as well as the support for multiple video formats (which I hear the Galaxy S II will have based on the Exynos processor). Hope to receive some additional feedback.
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As far as multiple video formats, I don't think this has much to do with physical hardware as it does software. While I am most certainly not an expert, I have played a range of videos on my phones. Wouldn't all you need is a Video app that has the correct codecs and support for such file types?
I mean, really, not picking one device over another based on media format is just insane to me and defies all logic. I mean how easy is it to convert between formats, come on. I'd say that if you using a less common format or one that isn't widely available, you are only asking for trouble anyway. Most of the video I find online are either MP4 or avi and have no problem playing them on my device. If you are ripping it yourself, just save it in a format you can use.

This is a very good player, plays many formats
http://market.android.com/details?id=net.thefluxstudio.implayer

Player911:
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
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I'm quite surprised that the SGS2 folks have a buyers remorse, especially after reading your post. I was having remorse with the G2x since it just has 512MB ram and the GS2 kicks the G2x to the curb on every bullet point except Value for money/cost (I'm buying off contract). I'm also very surprised when you implicitly state that Orion cannot run Tegra games even though it's way faster than tegra.

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I'm quite surprised that the SGS2 folks have a buyers remorse, especially after reading your post. I was having remorse with the G2x since it just has 512MB ram and the GS2 kicks the G2x to the curb on every bullet point except Value for money/cost (I'm buying off contract). I'm also very surprised when you implicitly state that Orion cannot run Tegra games even though it's way faster than tegra.
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Dont just look at numbers (1ghz dual core vs 1.2 dual core) RAM numbers, etc.
It has been said the 1ghz Tegra 2 is a better processor overall, and you really dont need more than 512mb of RAM since Android closes apps on its own when memory gets low. You wont see much if any performance increase from merely more RAM.
Lets not forget Samsung's recent past with its Galaxy S line having broken GPS, wonky file systems that slowed down phones, and bootloaders locked.
I wouldnt just yet say the SGS2 is a better device because how it looks on paper.

>It has been said the 1ghz Tegra 2 is a better processor overall, and you really dont need more than 512mb of RAM since Android closes apps on its own when memory gets low. You wont see much if any performance increase from merely more RAM.
I'm not sure about that. Both use dual Cortex A9s. The difference in hardware between the two is the GPU. We all know Tegra 2 uses GeForce ULP but I'm not sure what the Exynos uses(SGX or Adreno).
I concede my point to your statement about the RAM, since I only recently learnt about memory management in Android (this is my first Android). I'm pretty sure Sammy must have fixed the GPS issues, since if they don't I'd lose all respect for them.
Oh OP, one thing you might want to consider is that the Galaxy S2 does not have an HDMI out port. They say it's got some USB-HDMI cable though.
Also, it depends on your hands. The G2x itself is a pretty big device in my opinion, and seeing that the SGS2 has a 4.3" screen it's going to be much bigger.

Definitely sgs2
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Well not voting for the SGS2 here but I don't think Vanilla has any bearings on Dev Support, directly. Granted, I prefer vanilla and thus may contribute to its popularity, which, indirectly, popularity = dev support.
The only thing that matters is that the bootloader is unlocked and it is easily rootable and flashable. I mean once you get a CM rom on there, they all work the same.
I think Vanilla roms are more open to other variants like MIUI and the likes because they typically share the same partition structure. I know the G2x has a different structure and I think it is safe to say the SGS2 does too. Good thing that we are able to format and change the partitions to work across multiple roms.
The SGS2 was recently rooted and I think they found the bootloader to be unlocked. So it should be able to be flashed pretty easily.
One big factor that more people don't think about is the screen size. I have small hands (vs huge sausages) and the 4" screen of the G2x pushes my comfort zone. I think 4.3" would be too much and I would be fumbling it while trying to do one handed operations.
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
Nothing like buying a new toy and finding that it doesn't work with the latest HD games.
As far as multiple video formats, I don't think this has much to do with physical hardware as it does software. While I am most certainly not an expert, I have played a range of videos on my phones. Wouldn't all you need is a Video app that has the correct codecs and support for such file types?
I mean, really, not picking one device over another based on media format is just insane to me and defies all logic. I mean how easy is it to convert between formats, come on. I'd say that if you using a less common format or one that isn't widely available, you are only asking for trouble anyway. Most of the video I find online are either MP4 or avi and have no problem playing them on my device. If you are ripping it yourself, just save it in a format you can use.
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Coming from iOS, I am tired of having to convert all of my videos to mp4 format and having little knowledge of android from not having owned one just increases my curiosity on the matter since the SGSII specs list stated that the Exynos processor has more support for video formats than tegra 2. Being able to directly download and play any format is one thing I am looking for in one of these phones so that is why I asked the question. Some of the videos I download are dual audio and subbed mkv's and having to download multiple programs to get the subtitles and audio working on a mobile device is very time consuming so having support for multiple codecs would make things a whole lot easier.

Wow...what a letdown - ICS

I had opportunity to visit a local Verizon store and play with a Galaxy Nexus. The first thing that surprised me was how little difference there was between ICS on the GN and ICS on my HD2. The GN ICS was laggy and sluggish, unlike the UI of the Motorolas and Samsungs. For a brand new OS with hardware acceleration, I am dumbfounded how Google cannot make a smooth system. There has never been a Google phone that has been buttery smooth with the OEM UI.
What's worse, my brother is in for the holiday and I talked the GN up to him telling him what a cool phone it is and all. Once we checked it out, we were letdown. He was impressed with the Razr but wanted to go to the AT&T store to check out the iPhone 4S before making a purchase.
My brother chose an iPhone 4S after talking with me about it. I simply told him, for the battery, you can't beat an iPhone, that none of the Androids or WP7s will come close to matching the BL of the iPhone 4S.
If Google could improve the BL of their OS and if Google had an OS with smoothness, they might have sold one to my brother. But because they didn't, they lost a sale. Same goes for WP7...for the BL, that is. The smoothness is already there in WP7. And that HTC Titan was excellent. I was surprised how well-built it was and good it felt in the hand. Made me want one bad.

You somehow managed to make another topic about Google vs. Apple.
Great job, Brosseth.

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You somehow managed to make another topic about Google vs. Apple.
Great job, Brosseth.
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That would be incorrect. Great job, though, trying to make trouble for me. The topic is how poor ICS is and how ashamed I am for talking it up to my brother, saying what an great new OS it is. I can't help that we were so letdown by the experience that we turned to an opposing system. That's Google's fault.

It's just one sale. Not much of a loss. Thousands of sales, now that's a loss. I don't really know why you were expecting ICS on your HD2 to be different from the GN. The GN has the original ICS , while your HD2 has a port of the original. As for battery life, the higher processor and 4g LTE are battery suckers. The iPhone has a lower clocked processor and no 4g, which increases the battery life. Also, iPhone ( and iOS in the process ) don't do as many background tasks as Android. Android could be smoother if they added a second gpu, which I don't know why they didn't. But at the same time, if it was smoother, they'd end up making a derivation of iOS. Since iOS doesn't task the processor and gpu as much as Android, it is smoother ( along with the way iOS runs in general causes it to be smoother ). I myself got the HTC Rezound as it has better specs and will get ics in the future along with sense 4.0. I've used the ics Rom for the Xoom and.performs much better. Anyways, you don't like it but others do. Ics doesn't let down.
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MartyLK said:
That would be incorrect. Great job, though, trying to make trouble for me. The topic is how poor ICS is and how ashamed I am for talking it up to my brother, saying what an great new OS it is. I can't help that we were so letdown by the experience that we turned to an opposing system. That's Google's fault.
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It sounds like someone should get a life. What you should really be ashamed of is how you are letting a cell phone affect you. I don't know how you can ever look your brother in the eyes again. What a travesty.

lowandbehold said:
I don't know how you can ever look your brother in the eyes again.
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PMSL! 2nd funniest thing in this thread.
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300k said:
It's just one sale. Not much of a loss. Thousands of sales, now that's a loss. I don't really know why you were expecting ICS on your HD2 to be different from the GN. The GN has the original ICS , while your HD2 has a port of the original. As for battery life, the higher processor and 4g LTE are battery suckers. The iPhone has a lower clocked processor and no 4g, which increases the battery life. Also, iPhone ( and iOS in the process ) don't do as many background tasks as Android. Android could be smoother if they added a second gpu, which I don't know why they didn't. But at the same time, if it was smoother, they'd end up making a derivation of iOS. Since iOS doesn't task the processor and gpu as much as Android, it is smoother ( along with the way iOS runs in general causes it to be smoother ). I myself got the HTC Rezound as it has better specs and will get ics in the future along with sense 4.0. I've used the ics Rom for the Xoom and.performs much better. Anyways, you don't like it but others do. Ics doesn't let down.
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From my lengthy experience with Android, none of them get good battery life. Not older ones with single CPUs, nor newer ones with multi-cpus. The information I gave my brother about BL wasn't made on one or two Androids experience. It was made on Android in general. My brother prefers the best BL and the iPhone happened to provide it. Had Android had decent BL, I would have pushed for a SkyRocket or Atrix 2. Same goes for WP7. If WP7 would have had decent BL, I would have pushed for the Titan.
I did push for the GN (an Android phone), as I clearly said.

Your brothers loss.....not saying iPhone 4S isn't a great phone....but of course GN is going to have a shorter battery life than the iPhone 4S....it has LTE, 4.65in gorgeous display, etc. I somehow get the feeling your trolling to say that ICS is slow. I don't see how you can be disappointed unless your brother has never used an Android phone before. if that's the case, the iPhone is a great choice for a beginner smartphone.

... but you do know that 4S has a worst battery life than the 4, right ?
Look at this chart, the battery life is pretty lame considering that iOS doesn't do much on the background, doesn't have LTE, and the screen is so tiny ... Why do you think that in the future products they want to introduce a hydrogen battery cell ?
They can't keep the energy drain down ...
http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-rhyme-battery-test-now-over-check-out-the-results-test/
Also, in the playback test iphone kinda cheated because the video is converted by itunes so instead of
- "The iPhone 4S managed the 9 hours and 24 minutes of non-stop video playback before its battery reached 10% (according to the rules of this test, it stops at 10% instead of 0%) "
the real playback time is:
- "In fact, if you play Xvid video on the iPhone through one of the third party players instead of converting it to its native format via iTunes, it scores slightly lower than the Nokia N9. The 4S achieved 7 hours and 19 minutes in that scenario."
http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-iphone-4s-battery-test-is-complete-meet-our-new-champion-test/

GoreTan said:
Your brothers loss.....not saying iPhone 4S isn't a great phone....but of course GN is going to have a shorter battery life than the iPhone 4S....it has LTE, 4.65in gorgeous display, etc. I somehow get the feeling your trolling to say that ICS is slow. I don't see how you can be disappointed unless your brother has never used an Android phone before. if that's the case, the iPhone is a great choice for a beginner smartphone.
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Strange how people completely avoid seeing the truth when Android becomes a disappointment. I was clear about the context of the scene.
ICS was perceived as being an excellent system.
I pushed the GN (with ICS) to my brother
First hand ICS (GN) experience left us dumbfounded how poor it was.
When people have such a contrasting experience, they talk about it.

Weird, my lumia 800 blows away my 4s in terms of battery life. I do agree that ics is a letdown though.

z33dev33l said:
Weird, my lumia 800 blows away my 4s in terms of battery life. I do agree that ics is a letdown though.
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They didn't have a Lumia 800 at AT&T. If they had, I would have auditioned it for consideration. I have zero trouble pushing any good system.

My titan is actually right on par with iPhone 4s. Older wp7 devices couldn't keep up.

Marty,for Christ's sake,haven't you heard about personal preference?
First off,with the high-end smartphones in the Android ecosystem,battery life has one single killer:Huge screens.No wonder my 42" TV drains far more power than my 24" monitor,right?If the iPhone also had a 4.3" screen,you wouldn't see that battery life.Not to mention the already mentioned stuff like 1.2GHz processors on Android versus 800MHz on the iPhone,LTE radios and such.
As for smoothness in GN's ICS,there are three things to have in mind:
i)The 4.0.3 update improves smoothness quite a lot from what I gathered.
ii)The Galaxy Nexus you used must have been using a live wallpaper,right?Live wallpapers are smoothness killers(Unless you use TouchWiz that is.It's horrible but it's smooooooooth on the Galaxy S II-I don't use it though).
iii)1280x720 screen resolution is a bit too much,ain't it?
With Android you know what you sacrifice and for what reason.With iOS you sacrifice your freedom of choice and customization.That's unacceptable if you ask me.

I'm really let down... I bought an alienware 96" laptop with a 12-disk RAID 0 array, two xeons and seven graphics cards and I can't believe it doesn't get as good of battery life as my netbook....
Must be because alienware doesn't optimize their OS...

tolis626 said:
Marty,for Christ's sake,haven't you heard about personal preference?
First off,with the high-end smartphones in the Android ecosystem,battery life has one single killer:Huge screens.No wonder my 42" TV drains far more power than my 24" monitor,right?If the iPhone also had a 4.3" screen,you wouldn't see that battery life.Not to mention the already mentioned stuff like 1.2GHz processors on Android versus 800MHz on the iPhone,LTE radios and such.
As for smoothness in GN's ICS,there are three things to have in mind:
i)The 4.0.3 update improves smoothness quite a lot from what I gathered.
ii)The Galaxy Nexus you used must have been using a live wallpaper,right?Live wallpapers are smoothness killers(Unless you use TouchWiz that is.It's horrible but it's smooooooooth on the Galaxy S II-I don't use it though).
iii)1280x720 screen resolution is a bit too much,ain't it?
With Android you know what you sacrifice and for what reason.With iOS you sacrifice your freedom of choice and customization.That's unacceptable if you ask me.
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choices are simple
Sacrifice quality, speed, and efficiency.
Sacrifice customization
Which do you pick? I'll go with the one that can offer a pleasant experience. For me, wp7 is the only choice. The others just seem horrid by comparison. For others, well, it's your choice.

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MartyLK said:
Strange how people completely avoid seeing the truth when Android becomes a disappointment. I was clear about the context of the scene.
ICS was perceived as being an excellent system.
I pushed the GN (with ICS) to my brother
First hand ICS (GN) experience left us dumbfounded how poor it was.
When people have such a contrasting experience, they talk about it.
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Here's an idea - who actually cares about if you pushed it on him or not? Who cares if you talked it up or not? You ever stop to unstick your head from your ass and think you might have just expected too much? It's happened to me a couple times. But what you need to understand in your apparent battle vs android is that I love Android. You won't convince me otherwise.
Now, how about you stop accusing us of being closed-minded and take a second to look in the mirror. Nobody here is rebuking your precious iPhone. It's a great phone. But for God's sakes man, stop being so ignorant.

tolis626 said:
Marty,for Christ's sake,haven't you heard about personal preference?
First off,with the high-end smartphones in the Android ecosystem,battery life has one single killer:Huge screens.No wonder my 42" TV drains far more power than my 24" monitor,right?If the iPhone also had a 4.3" screen,you wouldn't see that battery life.Not to mention the already mentioned stuff like 1.2GHz processors on Android versus 800MHz on the iPhone,LTE radios and such.
As for smoothness in GN's ICS,there are three things to have in mind:
i)The 4.0.3 update improves smoothness quite a lot from what I gathered.
ii)The Galaxy Nexus you used must have been using a live wallpaper,right?Live wallpapers are smoothness killers(Unless you use TouchWiz that is.It's horrible but it's smooooooooth on the Galaxy S II-I don't use it though).
iii)1280x720 screen resolution is a bit too much,ain't it?
With Android you know what you sacrifice and for what reason.With iOS you sacrifice your freedom of choice and customization.That's unacceptable if you ask me.
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One thing is certain, I have a new appreciating for the work Tytung does on custom HD2 ROMs. My HD2 is using his ICS ROM and is a little laggy. I figured it was because of the hardware not being optimal for ICS. Now that I know a real ICS phone isn't much better than ICS on my HD2, I'm impressed with Tytung's work. On a scale of 1 to 100 regarding the lag difference between the systems (GN & HD2 w/ICS), I would put the HD2 ICS at about 95 of the smoothness of the GN. Meaning the lag on the HD2 ICS is only about 5 points worse than the GN.

z33dev33l said:
choices are simple
Sacrifice quality, speed, and efficiency.
Sacrifice customization
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Err, quality and efficiency are completely subjective. I'd say I'm a lot more efficient with my phone, and you know why? Cos I was able to customize it to my work flow. So the "choices" you provided are totally bogus.

Galaxy S3 or One S ?

I've been searching everywhere for a comparison thread or video or anything between the T-Mobile One S and Galaxy S3 . I right now have the One S and I am torn between this and the S3, so simple question, what phone do you think is better and why? T-mobile One S or T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S3 ( we pretty much know the specs)
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As always, this is a question of tastes, likes and dislikes.
Looking only at the specs, the S3 is better.
But looking at practicability I think the One S is better.

If you don't care for the money go for the S3.
The benefits of the one s over the s3 are better price, better haptic due to the smaller screen and better touch due to the aluminium body.
On the other side the s3 comes with bigger battery, sd card support, better screen (hd), better cpu and probably the bigger fanbase in the future... Therefore more developers.
I don't use touchwiz or sense so this wouldnt matter for me.
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this is what ive been wondering. i have till the 18th to return my htc one s if i dont like it (since i get 30 days to return it here in california). ive had reboots, signal going in and out which has been driving me nuts and wifi calling dropping calls for no reason when i have full wifi signal. also i think the gs3 looks like crap to me and cheap and the htc one s looks way better, but the GS3 does have better features (IMO) then the htc one s.
Galaxy S3:
Bigger screen
HD screen
Expandable micro sd card
Bigger battery and also can be replaced
More ram 1gb vs 2gb which might not even matter
I think the cpu and gpu is the same as the htc one s
NFC
HTC One S:
Much better design and sexier
Camera software is better (i think it is)
Htc sense 4.0 (which i think is much better then touchwiz)
I figure for the money im better off with the gs3 since i paid 250 plus taxes for my one s. but i will see.

Firstly the GS 3 does NOT have a better processor, just because it is "quad" does not mean that it is better
The S/XL/X AT&T/Evo 4G LTE uses the latest snapdragon chip, the S4 dual core krait. Have a look at the benchmarks comparing the GS 3 and the HTC One S and the HTC One X (Snapdragon S4)
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Unless you are looking at the version that the USA is getting in which case the GS 3 will then have the s4 as well.
Also just because the GS 3 has a bigger battery does not mean that it is also going to be better
Many factors affect battery life:
- screen size/type/res.
- driver/software optimization for battery
- the hardware that is used especially the CPU
etc.
So due to the bigger screen/higher res, the bigger battery is needed.
From what I have seen (from people who know what to post for screenshots regarding battery life and the required info. ) and heard from a friend (who owns the GS 3), the battery life does not sound that good, seems very average and only slightly better than the X.
Also just look at the atrix, it had a big battery, yet its battery life was terrible.
However, due to the s4 being very power efficient, the battery life could be a fair bit better than the exynos quad gs3,
version.
At least you will be able to get an extended battery though
The GS 3 only has 1GB of RAM as well (USA version has 2GB). There really is no need for any more RAM.
The GPU in the GS 3 is better (the GPU in the GS3 USA version is the same as the HTC one s [adreno 225])
So to sum up, if you want a bigger/better screen, more storage for dropbox, internal and the choice of using an SD card, NFC, better 1080P video recording (camera/photos seems good, but not a huge difference from what I can see and the HTC one/Sense V4 has a lot more features and some of them are great along with a better UI IMO) and a larger developing community go for the GS 3.
Although play with the GS 3 first and see what you think of touchwiz as I personally don't like it one bit, hate the colour scheme, modded apps and feels like a big step down from sense V4 overall IMO. Although touchwiz is tweaked very well under the bonnet.
Also you may find the GS 3 to be too big.

I think the OP is talking about the T-Mobile Galaxy S3 which will have dual core not a quad. Sure it all comes down to preference, would you like to have "TAMPERED" written to your bootloader and documented by the same company that is supposed to honor your warranty ? How bout a VGA front camera ? Maybe the atrocious cut out for the ****ty front camera? How bout poorly designed antennae that struggle to get a signal inside a building ? What about a non expandable 16gb memory device of which only about 10 is free ?
Touchwiz and Sense both hog resources, but TW is much, much lighter. The One S restarts Sense every chance it gets, and has a serious multitasking problem.

KillaHurtz said:
Sure it all comes down to preference, would you like to have "TAMPERED" written to your bootloader and documented by the same company that is supposed to honor your warranty ?
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Not an issue for a lot of people as some are happy with the stock ROM in its current state and see no reason to root and flash a custom ROM yet as the 1S is super fast and smooth out of the box with great battery life and features.
Also is that not only if you use their method via their website for unlocking or whatever it is?
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How bout a VGA front camera ? Maybe the atrocious cut out for the ****ty front camera?
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Is the front camera really that important? Out of all my friends and family that I know who also have a front camera on their android phones, no one actually uses it......
The quality isn't amazing, but it isn't terrible....
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That was taken with some light coming in through the window (however, it is very cloudy outside, so it would be much better when we have blue skies)
The "atrocious cut out" There is nothing wrong with it IMO.
On the other hand the notification LED is atrocious and probably the cheapest/tackiest way that HTC implemented it.
At least the entire design and looks of the S is far better than the white & pebble blue GS 3, which looks like a cheap fisher price toy IMO......
Might be built very well and durable (not as durable as the GS 2 by the looks of things though) but there is no denying that in terms of "perceived quality" the HTC handsets especially the S due to the aluminium unibody/MAO process are still leagues ahead of Samsung.
KillaHurtz said:
How bout poorly designed antennae that struggle to get a signal inside a building ?
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I have had my device since release day and have had no problems with the signal whatsoever no matter where I am, just took these SS when in a shopping centre in the car park level (bottom level out of three levels) and this is my signal with a H connection, which usually results in a weaker voice reception as opposed to a G/E connection:
KillaHurtz said:
What about a non expandable 16gb memory device of which only about 10 is free ?
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Not an issue for some people otherwise we wouldn't have even laid eyes on the device just like the others....
Unless you plan on throwing your entire music collection (can use google music as well instead) on to your device along with films etc. then there won't be any problem with storage.
Over 500 photos including lots of 1080P recordings, along with emulator files, wallpapers etc. over 60 apps installed (including games) and I still have plenty of storage.
KillaHurtz said:
Touchwiz and Sense both hog resources, but TW is much, much lighter. The One S restarts Sense every chance it gets, and has a serious multitasking problem.
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I have only had 2 reloads of the sense launcher when I was just using pure stock and it was only after returning from a game whilst using the browser as well. I have disabled a lot of sense widgets/apps etc. and use apex launcher, ics browser +, snowstorm weather widget, smooth calendar, APW calendar 4x4 widget, switch pro, and tasks free widget, swiftkey beta 3 and I have no problems with the multi-tasking, or any reloads whatsoever now.
And for the people who are experiencing the "serious" problems with the multi-tasking I am sure HTC will eventually release an update tweaking it or they could just root the mobile and install this app and then set the multi-tasking to what you want:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5ycy5hdXRva2lsbGVyIl0
I have had the GS 2 (on stock ICS) right beside my 1S (complete stock sense) and the 1S was noticeably quicker and smoother in every area that I tried be it browsing, games, loading apps/menus, carrying tasks out etc.
The GS 3 seems to have just as many problems as well, seems to be some wifi problems, screen problems amongst other problems and I am sure as time goes on and more and more people get their GS 3 will see even more posts stating problems etc. just like what it was with the 1S.
No device is perfect out of the box, guaranteed that every single device will have problems, even the iphones, which are suppose "to just work out of the box" have problems with the screen, buzzing in ear piece, poor battery life for a lot of handsets and signal problems as well etc.
And just because people experience certain problems with their devices does not mean that it applies to every single handset there is in the world.....

When OP asks this question here, I assume you ask the same on s3 forum cos you will for sure have most of people recommend one s here and s3 there.
There is no definitely good or bad, or better or worse between these two. Even one s is not HTC's flagship, give it to other brands, it could enough take the crown.
We could only rationally compare the specs and provide personal preference which is so depending on individules. I wouldn't deny that s3 does have better specs in some areas but one s wins in others. And one s has a few issues such as the mao coating chipping off. But it does not stop us loving the phone, rather, it only makes us love it even more cos only when you care your device, you want it better, right? Just like me, I never know what problem s3 has and will have, simply because I don't really care, I am satisfied with my beloved one s and I am pretty sure I will keep loving it since it is almost almost perfect.
So, the best way to find out which one to get, is to see the specs first, then find out any issues with both, especially if there is any deal breaking one, if you still cannot decide, go play with both in your local shops and feel them yourselves. However, I do recommend avoiding black one s cos it has hardware issue, but grey one is fine.
In the end I would say, I lovey my one s! Hope lots of people do the same (of course, try love your one s, not mine )
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if you're mad about the reboots and random issues it has when it first came out don't think the s3 is going to be perfect and bug free either cause you're going to be dissapointed if you gave up ur one S for a rebooting brick

icecicle said:
if you're mad about the reboots and random issues it has when it first came out don't think the s3 is going to be perfect and bug free either cause you're going to be dissapointed if you gave up ur one S for a rebooting brick
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The only problem I have is the multi tasking on it, and also this weird screen flickering
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s10shane said:
this is what ive been wondering. i have till the 18th to return my htc one s if i dont like it (since i get 30 days to return it here in california). ive had reboots, signal going in and out which has been driving me nuts and wifi calling dropping calls for no reason when i have full wifi signal. also i think the gs3 looks like crap to me and cheap and the htc one s looks way better, but the GS3 does have better features (IMO) then the htc one s.
Galaxy S3:
Bigger screen
HD screen
Expandable micro sd card
Bigger battery and also can be replaced
More ram 1gb vs 2gb which might not even matter
I think the cpu and gpu is the same as the htc one s
NFC
HTC One S:
Much better design and sexier
Camera software is better (i think it is)
Htc sense 4.0 (which i think is much better then touchwiz)
I figure for the money im better off with the gs3 since i paid 250 plus taxes for my one s. but i will see.
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Im in the EXACT same boat as you. I got my One S for 290 on Tmo with upgrade and am looking to sell back my One S for the GSiii. The only thing is I have til the end of this week to decide! Haha. If I sell back to T-Mo, will I be able to upgrade again?

Regarding reboots, since release day pretty much, I have only had 2 reboots and they both happened when I was using swiftkey beta 3, so it may have been related to that app due to it being in "beta" stages.....
Haven't had any more reboots since the latest beta version and update for the 1S *touch wood*

Closed Source Project said:
Im in the EXACT same boat as you. I got my One S for 290 on Tmo with upgrade and am looking to sell back my One S for the GSiii. The only thing is I have til the end of this week to decide! Haha. If I sell back to T-Mo, will I be able to upgrade again?
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yeah u can still upgrade if u return it within the 30 days or whatever days u have. i probably will trade mine back in right before it ends. it just depends on how much the gs3 cost me. i cant stand no micro sd card expansion. i know we get drop box but what good is drop box when ur out and u get crappy 2g? its pretty much useless and so is google music. this is why i would much rather have expandable memory so i dont have to rely on my internet connection. it just sucks to give up such a sexy ass device plus i normally hate samsung and love htc but i feel like im getting more for my money if the gs3 cost me the same as the htc one s cost me. if it cost more then i will stick with the one s.

s10shane said:
yeah u can still upgrade if u return it within the 30 days or whatever days u have. i probably will trade mine back in right before it ends. it just depends on how much the gs3 cost me. i cant stand no micro sd card expansion. i know we get drop box but what good is drop box when ur out and u get crappy 2g? its pretty much useless and so is google music. this is why i would much rather have expandable memory so i dont have to rely on my internet connection.
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That is the exact same reason I am considering switching over for. Thanks for the reply, nice to know I get my upgrade privilege back. If you find out how much the GSiii will cost on upgrade, please let me know. I will do the same for you
EDIT: I read Samsung states that the newest device should be 199 with contract (upgrade I assume as well if TMo is good). So same price if not cheaper if TMo does or doesn't have the 50 mail in rebate like with the One S (at least for me in Chicago). I found that on THIS article.

Closed Source Project said:
That is the exact same reason I am considering switching over for. Thanks for the reply, nice to know I get my upgrade privilege back. If you find out how much the GSiii will cost on upgrade, please let me know. I will do the same for you
EDIT: I read Samsung states that the newest device should be 199 with contract (upgrade I assume as well if TMo is good). So same price if not cheaper if TMo does or doesn't have the 50 mail in rebate like with the One S (at least for me in Chicago). I found that on THIS article.
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Sweet if its 199 with no rebates then I will get it asap. I paid 250 plus tax and over night shipping which cost me 340 which is kinda to much money for this phone. I sent the rebate in but it can take up to 8 weeks to get my 50
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As I see it the main reason to choose the one s over sgs3 is the size. And that was a good enough reason for me
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Habarug said:
As I see it the main reason to choose the one s over sgs3 is the size. And that was a good enough reason for me
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Yeah the size is nice and its 720p which is also nice. I like the expandable micro sd and the removable battery is nice as well and NFC support.
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Terminator19 said:
Not an issue for a lot of people as some are happy with the stock ROM in its current state and see no reason to root and flash a custom ROM yet as the 1S is super fast and smooth out of the box with great battery life and features.
Also is that not only if you use their method via their website for unlocking or whatever it is?
Is the front camera really that important? Out of all my friends and family that I know who also have a front camera on their android phones, no one actually uses it......
The quality isn't amazing, but it isn't terrible....
That was taken with some light coming in through the window (however, it is very cloudy outside, so it would be much better when we have blue skies)
The "atrocious cut out" There is nothing wrong with it IMO.
On the other hand the notification LED is atrocious and probably the cheapest/tackiest way that HTC implemented it.
At least the entire design and looks of the S is far better than the white & pebble blue GS 3, which looks like a cheap fisher price toy IMO......
Might be built very well and durable (not as durable as the GS 2 by the looks of things though) but there is no denying that in terms of "perceived quality" the HTC handsets especially the S due to the aluminium unibody/MAO process are still leagues ahead of Samsung.
I have had my device since release day and have had no problems with the signal whatsoever no matter where I am, just took these SS when in a shopping centre in the car park level (bottom level out of three levels) and this is my signal with a H connection, which usually results in a weaker voice reception as opposed to a G/E connection:
Not an issue for some people otherwise we wouldn't have even laid eyes on the device just like the others....
Unless you plan on throwing your entire music collection (can use google music as well instead) on to your device along with films etc. then there won't be any problem with storage.
Over 500 photos including lots of 1080P recordings, along with emulator files, wallpapers etc. over 60 apps installed (including games) and I still have plenty of storage.
I have only had 2 reloads of the sense launcher when I was just using pure stock and it was only after returning from a game whilst using the browser as well. I have disabled a lot of sense widgets/apps etc. and use apex launcher, ics browser +, snowstorm weather widget, smooth calendar, APW calendar 4x4 widget, switch pro, and tasks free widget, swiftkey beta 3 and I have no problems with the multi-tasking, or any reloads whatsoever now.
And for the people who are experiencing the "serious" problems with the multi-tasking I am sure HTC will eventually release an update tweaking it or they could just root the mobile and install this app and then set the multi-tasking to what you want:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5ycy5hdXRva2lsbGVyIl0
I have had the GS 2 (on stock ICS) right beside my 1S (complete stock sense) and the 1S was noticeably quicker and smoother in every area that I tried be it browsing, games, loading apps/menus, carrying tasks out etc.
The GS 3 seems to have just as many problems as well, seems to be some wifi problems, screen problems amongst other problems and I am sure as time goes on and more and more people get their GS 3 will see even more posts stating problems etc. just like what it was with the 1S.
No device is perfect out of the box, guaranteed that every single device will have problems, even the iphones, which are suppose "to just work out of the box" have problems with the screen, buzzing in ear piece, poor battery life for a lot of handsets and signal problems as well etc.
And just because people experience certain problems with their devices does not mean that it applies to every single handset there is in the world.....
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I agree with this post almost completely.....except that I am definately having the data issue. I am hoping against hope that the ghost firmware update will correct this.
I returned mine yesterday and am having the same problem with this second one.
Edit-I think I'm in a fringe/low lieing area. I never get a real good signal, but the indicator fluctuates wildly. Mostly at 1-2 bars or less.
I myself would choose the One S over the SIII. Which I did.
I was a little concerned about the battery but it has turned out to be a non issue. Battery life is superb!

Changed my mind. I am sticking with the One S. Build quality is wayyyy better plus I would have to shoot myself in the groin if I had to deal with TouchWiz, even for one day. It's nice that you can have much more memory, but that's about it.

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Changed my mind. I am sticking with the One S. Build quality is wayyyy better plus I would have to shoot myself in the groin if I had to deal with TouchWiz, even for one day. It's nice that you can have much more memory, but that's about it.
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yeah it does suck but at least there is apex launcher which makes any phone nicer lol. plus im sure there will be a cm9 rom for it somewhere along the way. lol im still thinking about it. i probably wont make up my mind till i see the pricing official from tmobile

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