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who Google is pitching the Nexus S at?

I don't know quite who Google is pitching the Nexus S at... To me, it makes no sense but I'd like to get the opinion of owners and why you upgraded (or if, indeed, this is your first Android phone)
As I see it, the NS makes no sense whatsoever except perhaps that panel availability for the N1 may have forced their hand - I'm wondering if the switch to Samsung as a manufacturer relates to the availability of AMOLED displays... Both the GS and the NS feel very flimsy to me compared to HTC devices... Although the GPU is much faster, I don't think that alone really justifies it and regardless of my feelings for Samsung as a manufacturer I just can't understand why Google didn't just release 2.3 for the N1, and wait for multicore Cortex A9-based SOCs like Tegra 2 to come to market and give people an actual upgrade regardless of the manufacturer of the device, rather than just the same thing in a different shell, creating yet more market fragmentation?!
Edit: And I've owned a lot of 3G phones with front-facing cameras over the years and have yet to use one! NFC might prove useful, but surely it could've waited for the next 'proper' upgrade to the 'Google Phone'?

Why? Why not.....its powerful, fairly priced, good looking, cutting edge OS, no bloatware, great screen, and it is nice and exclusive.

willcpfc said:
Why? Why not.....its powerful, fairly priced, good looking, cutting edge OS, no bloatware, great screen, and it is nice and exclusive.
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Hmm, but that's my point... Which one of those did the N1 not fulfil? Sure, we expect a manufacturer's lines to be upgraded on a regular basis these days, but I just don't think it's enough of a step forward to justify the change... Why spend money on R&D, advertising, etc for a new device that really isn't an upgrade from the one it replaces? And it leaves N1 owners dead in the water for no good reason - I'd be a little less peeved about potentially not getting official updates from Google any more (if I were an N1 owner) if the replacement model were actually an upgrade, with a fancy dual core CPU, higher DPI screen, etc, etc... But it isn't. It just makes no sense
I mean... Imagine if the Nexus One had actually been just a G1 with a different chassis and a faster GPU, yet retained the sluggish CPU, HVGA screen, 3MP camera, etc? Everybody would have laughed at them, yet they do this with the NS and they get applauded. Tegra 2 phones are about to hit the market - does this mean another Google Phone release 6 months down the line?

I have owned both the N1 and NS. I just sold the N1 because the NS is a much better phone.
- Screen is way better - (larger, smoother, more vibrant). N1 screen, and definitely the iphone4 screen just seem too small after using this. 4" screen is the sweet spot
- Multitouch is way better
- Visibility outdoors is way better
- Capacitive buttons are way better
- gpu is way better
- CPU is better
-External speaker is better
- 16gb internal memory is better for me, 1gb for apps so no more messing with apps2sd, and I have 10GB music on there and plenty of room for everty thing else
- Read/writes to internal memory much faster than class 6 micro sdcard
- FFC is great for talking to gf when either of us are away on business
- I actually like the styling of the phone better than the nexus one. The all black look is very sleek especially with pure blacks on SAMOLED screen. Very classy looking phone
- Build quality is great
- Gingerbread is great and only getting better with CM7. Nothing is beating the NS benchmark wise.
The Nexus S makes perfect sense to me. The only thing lacking is a car dock and desktop dock. 4G would have been nice but we don't get it in my area anyway. NS is pretty much the perfect phone for me right now.
Let's not get all dual core crazy until we see their real life performance running froyo (because that is what they will be released with).
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the N1. I just like the NS more.

irishrally said:
Let's not get all dual core crazy until we see their real life performance running froyo (because that is what they will be released with).
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Let's remember that Android have to be optimized for dual cores to fully use its processor. And we all know how manufacturers are with OS updates
+1 for Nexus

Not coming from N1 I cannot comment. However it is fair to say that the original nexus had a long long life....I look at my wife's HTC desire, which we brought when it came out....its obsolete now. All phones get bettered....this time next year I expect dual cores will be rather past it. You will wait forever for the next best thing. Right now a Nexus S is a top drawer device.

Because I wanted it.
No offense, mate, neither I nor anyone else need to justify my/our purchases to you/anyone else.
EDIT: This is also thread #14831948135971 on Nexus S vs Other Phones.

irishrally said:
I have owned both the N1 and NS. I just sold the N1 because the NS is a much better phone.
- Screen is way better - (larger, smoother, more vibrant). N1 screen, and definitely the iphone4 screen just seem too small after using this. 4" screen is the sweet spot
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Hmm, that's a matter of opinion. I find 4" phones uncomfortable in the pocket.
- Multitouch is way better
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Hmm, that's true, the N1/Desire touch panel is a bit rubbish.
- Capacitive buttons are way better
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I'd prefer physical buttons either way.... Which is the main reason I got the Desire over the N1!
- CPU is better
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Not according to the benchmarks I can find. It's the same, or perhaps just a little slower MHz-to-MHz vs the Scorpion core in the Snapdragons.
- External speaker is better
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True, but they're both pretty tinny compared to some older phones like my Nokia 6233. That should be the benchmark!
- 16gb internal memory is better for me, 1gb for apps so no more messing with apps2sd, and I have 10GB music on there and plenty of room for everty thing else
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I have a 32GB MicroSD in my Desire... I'd like to have that option! No memory slot seems like a massive downgrade to me. Admittedly, I can't upgrade beyond 32GB, but when SDXC becomes more mainstream I can't see that its worth manufacturers cutting corners with the memory card slot. It was one of the most annoying things about my iPhone.
- FFC is great for talking to gf when either of us are away on business
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I guess somebody has to use it! I'm glad I've finally heard of somebody who does. Every phone I had between about since 2003 'till the iPhone has had a video calling cam, as do many people I know's phones yet nobody actually seems to use them. Perhaps the prohibitive cost of video calling in the UK is part of the reason, but I'm happy enough talking to people!
- I actually like the styling of the phone better than the nexus one. The all black look is very sleek especially with pure blacks on SAMOLED screen. Very classy looking phone
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If it's not a pentile display, that definitely counts as an upgrade Looks are very subjective - I wouldn't call the Nexus S an 'inspired' design, but at least its not ugly like the Desire HD To me, it looks no better than the N1. The iPhone 4 is prettier, but then I'm an Apple-design whore and could never live with iOS again after using Andoid
- Build quality is great
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Feels flimsy to me... But then, so do all Samsung phones. Mmm, plasticy!
- Gingerbread is great and only getting better with CM7. Nothing is beating the NS benchmark wise.
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I got 2495 on Quadrant on my Desire running MIUI. Really? And do benchmarks actually matter anyway? I've played with an NS, and it didn't 'feel' any faster than my phone running 2.3. Plus, surely I could have had that performance 10 months ago when the GS was released?
At the end of the day, I'm not questioning that the NS is a better phone than the N1, just whether such a minor upgrade justified it when new generation Android hardware is starting to hit the market now.

unremarked said:
Because I wanted it.
No offense, mate, neither I nor anyone else need to justify my/our purchases to you/anyone else.
EDIT: This is also thread #14831948135971 on Nexus S vs Other Phones.
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I'm not asking anybody to justify anything, I just wonder why Google have made such a move.... I'm sure the NS is a great phone, as for that matter is the GS which is pretty much identical and you could've had nearly a year ago!

Azurael said:
I got 2495 on Quadrant on my Desire running MIUI.
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NS hits 4100 on Quadrant. Check out the bionix kernel thread for screenshots.
Benchmarks don't mean everything but they do mean something.
EDIT: CM7 with 1.5ghz morfic kernel:
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1-star rating for yet another "NS sounds like it sucks, why should I get one?" thread... How many times have all these same questions/challenges/answers been discussed in multiple other threads?
I think anyone who says that the NS isn't a significant improvement over the N1 hardware-wise has probably never touched an NS. Now, if you want to say that the NS isn't a signficant improvement over the Galaxy S line, I wouldn't argue too much.
The display (SuperAMOLED) and touchscreen that actually does more than two points on multitouch, and does it accurately, are leaps and bounds ahead of the N1's overly-red, can't-be-used-in-sunlight display and touchscreen that is prone to inaccurate registration.
The internal ROM space is larger and faster, and you don't have to screw around with apps2sd.
The GPU is the best you can get for the near future.
It's purpose is to show manufacturers what the minimum hardware performance is, and it's market is to target users who wanted the best hardware available at the time of release with the latest version of the OS.

distortedloop said:
I think anyone who says that the NS isn't a significant improvement over the N1 hardware-wise has probably never touched an NS. Now, if you want to say that the NS isn't a signficant improvement over the Galaxy S line, I wouldn't argue too much.
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Look... I'm not slagging you, or anybody else who bought a Nexus S off - it (like the N1) is a brilliant phone. Obviously, nobody would buy an N1 over an NS now, since they're a similar price. I'm slagging Google off for needlessly diluting the market with a product that simply doesn't need to, or have a reason to exist, rather than holding out only a couple of months for a new platform which would actually have given customers something they couldn't have bought before.
And yes, if for some bizarre reason it really matters to you, I have used a Nexus S. Not for long, but for long enough to know that it's exactly the same phone as the Galaxy S (a phone I did borrow for a week or so while deciding which Android phone to buy) which I could have bought 10 months ago. The fact that it is a phone I passed over to buy the Desire due to its smaller size, better build quality and less broken software (at the time, although I'm sure both the original Galaxy S and Nexus S have brilliant software even if you stick to official releases NOW.) is irrelevant to the point I'm making and purely my opinion.

Azurael said:
Look... I'm not slagging you, or anybody else who bought a Nexus S off - it (like the N1) is a brilliant phone. Obviously, nobody would buy an N1 over an NS now, since they're a similar price. I'm slagging Google off for needlessly diluting the market with a product that simply doesn't need to, or have a reason to exist, rather than holding out only a couple of months for a new platform which would actually have given customers something they couldn't have bought before.
And yes, if for some bizarre reason it really matters to you, I have used a Nexus S. Not for long, but for long enough to know that it's exactly the same phone as the Galaxy S (a phone I did borrow for a week or so while deciding which Android phone to buy) which I could have bought 10 months ago. The fact that it is a phone I passed over to buy the Desire due to its smaller size, better build quality and less broken software (at the time, although I'm sure both the original Galaxy S and Nexus S have brilliant software even if you stick to official releases NOW.) is irrelevant to the point I'm making and purely my opinion.
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Doesn't need to exist? Sounds like you just don't like Samsung.
I own a Nexus One, Vibrant, Droid X, Nexus S, G1, etc.
The Vibrant used to be the fastest of them all. The Vibrant was my main phone but there was one problem. RFS file system. It needed stock Google. I even worked on ROMs trying to clone stock Google onto the Vibrant, then the Nexus S came out with Gingerbread.
The Vibrant itself is superior to the Nexus One. The Nexus S is better than the Vibrant because of stock Google, lack of RFS, and because of Gingerbread's Hummingbird CPU JIT optimizations.
Now, the Vibrant running Froyo was still smooth and sleaker than any phone I've touched including the G2 etc. But the Nexus S is the next level up because of Gingerbread.
The Hummingbird is superior to the Nexus S Snapdragon. However the MyTouch 4g and G2 have about equal processing power as the Hummingbird, BUT the Hummingbird has the best GPU out, and WILL continue to have the best GPU out until the Qualcomm dual core or Orion comes to phones. The Tegra2 has a worse GPU than the Hummingbird. The GPU is what makes everything smooth.
The Nexus S will be top of the line until Q4 of 2011. Just like the Nexus One was pretty up there until Q4 of 2010.
Educate yourself on the processors, Hummingbird, Tegra2, Orion, Qualcomm, etc.
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...ion-samsungs-implementation-of-arm-cortex-a9/
You may say the Nexus S was unnecessary, but in all honesty it couldn't be more necessary. We needed a new stock Android with a 4" screen, a Hummingbird or better CPU/GPU combo, front facing camera, and a Super AMOLED.
This phone will be hot stuff. Tegra2 isn't a worthy upgrade to a Hummingbird. They're about equal when you balance out CPU / GPU.
I'm crossing my fingers for a 4g Nexus running Honeycomb, with a Super AMOLED / retina combo (extra high resolution), and a Samsung Orion processor / GPU combo at the end of 2011. That would be the fastest device possible, and I won't be upgrading until that is out. Also it should have support for both T-Mobile HSPA+ and AT&T LTE and 3g, and Euro 3g standards. Be a multi-carrier device, just in case I need to move.
Now I'm not saying the Tegra2 is bad, but it's not heaps better than the Hummingbird.

Azurael said:
And yes, if for some bizarre reason it really matters to you, I have used a Nexus S.
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Doesn't matter to me at all.
What's the point of coming into a forum dedicated to the use of a specific device and throwing out remarks like yours?
It's clear you think the device isn't worth the money, and no one's going to convince you otherwise, so why bother? Go off and enjoy your Nexus 1 or whatever you're using - only Google/Samsung can your original questions, and they're not here...

Azurael said:
I'm not asking anybody to justify anything, I just wonder why Google have made such a move.... I'm sure the NS is a great phone, as for that matter is the GS which is pretty much identical and you could've had nearly a year ago!
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'cept I didn't want a Vibrant.
As there is only one poster on these forums, as far as I'm aware anyway, who actually works for Google, they are the only ones qualified to answer you on "why Google made such a move." The rest of your statement pretty much confirms you're yet another snarky poster from another section of the XDA forums who is posting here asking us to justify our purchases because you think we either A) need your permission/approval or B) are incapable of making rational and informed decisions ourselves.
Your question has been answered in the stickied FAQ in this section. I hope a mod will lock this thread soon.
unremarked said:
Q: My toys are better than your toys! Hahahaha!
Stop it and grow up. Different strokes for different folks. People spend their money on what they want to spend it on regardless of your agreement on their choice. Not to mention that this kind of behavior goes against the spirit of this community.
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irishrally said:
I have owned both the N1 and NS. I just sold the N1 because the NS is a much better phone.
- Screen is way better - (larger, smoother, more vibrant). N1 screen, and definitely the iphone4 screen just seem too small after using this. 4" screen is the sweet spot
- Multitouch is way better
- Visibility outdoors is way better
- Capacitive buttons are way better
- gpu is way better
- CPU is better
-External speaker is better
- 16gb internal memory is better for me, 1gb for apps so no more messing with apps2sd, and I have 10GB music on there and plenty of room for everty thing else
- Read/writes to internal memory much faster than class 6 micro sdcard
- FFC is great for talking to gf when either of us are away on business
- I actually like the styling of the phone better than the nexus one. The all black look is very sleek especially with pure blacks on SAMOLED screen. Very classy looking phone
- Build quality is great
- Gingerbread is great and only getting better with CM7. Nothing is beating the NS benchmark wise.
The Nexus S makes perfect sense to me. The only thing lacking is a car dock and desktop dock. 4G would have been nice but we don't get it in my area anyway. NS is pretty much the perfect phone for me right now.
Let's not get all dual core crazy until we see their real life performance running froyo (because that is what they will be released with).
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the N1. I just like the NS more.
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^ What this guy said. Plus the nexus s is not flimsy. I also own the nexus one and I can see the quality of build in both, even if one is aluminium and one is plastic. The nexus s is fantastic and the *best* android phone I have ever used, and I have owned plenty, including the dhd. Everything just works, and it's one of the first times on an android phone where a custom rom is really not required - there is enough space for a crap load of apps and music, and gaming on it is fantastic. Nothing is out of bounds on the nexus s.

for me the selection was simple
I wanted a SAMOLED phone that works in 1700+2100
with at least 1 Ghz stock CPU and 16 GB RAM, with GPS, and all the xtra toys and wishes it can pack inside this nice an think wafer
the only unfortunate thing is missing the external SD support

unremarked said:
Because I wanted it.
No offense, mate, neither I nor anyone else need to justify my/our purchases to you/anyone else.
EDIT: This is also thread #14831948135971 on Nexus S vs Other Phones.
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Agreed
Ugh really getting tired of these thread, my fault for even reading them though.

Why can't Samsung/HTC be like Nokia? Why does Android still somewhat sucks?

I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.

And where exactly are you purchasing these Android brand cell phones?

What brand? The HTCs and Samsungs? Well, one came from Ebay, few came from the carriers. See, I didn't specify any specific models because every single ones that I used lacked in few important things, such as battery life. Either way, let's hope Android survives its retarded fragmentation and becomes just as stable (but not as stale) as Symbian has.

herzzreh said:
I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
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You should consider WP7. Nokia is doing some hardware with WP7 in mind. They currently have the Lumia 800 (N9) and the Lumia 710. There isn't anything better than WP7 in my experience. It's even better than iOS. The battery life isn't too good right now, but Nokia's hardware may have that resolved.
Give WP7 a nod and check it out.

herzzreh said:
I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
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My camera is great. And as much as I use my phone...a day is pretty good for battery life..my. phone is a beast..
sent...ah whatever its on there now..

Well no OS is perfect, but all are satisfactory. Battery life is more or less due to Android inefficiency at handling resources. Camera, well that depends on the maunfacturers. To be honest, we all don't need or atleast I don't even need a N8 camera on my phone. I'm not the best photographer or do I expect to be, hence why my average 8MP is good enough for me. Nor do I always want to zoom into a photo to see the little details I captured. I like it exactly 8"x11".

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Well no OS is perfect, but all are satisfactory. Battery life is more or less due to Android inefficiency at handling resources. Camera, well that depends on the maunfacturers. To be honest, we all don't need or atleast I don't even need a N8 camera on my phone. I'm not the best photographer or do I expect to be, hence why my average 8MP is good enough for me. Nor do I always want to zoom into a photo to see the little details I captured. I like it exactly 8"x11".
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It's perfectly understandable. This was more of personal rant for me - I'm kinda pissed that what I think is a superior OS doesn't do it for me, nothing more.
P.S. I disagree that all are satisfactory... Symbian S60v5 was something truly out of a horror movie.

Well I can't really say for symbian since I have never extensively used it. But judging from what I read about symbian, I will retract my statement of all are satisfactory.

I have to say, although Im an avid Android user, I feel its unfinished and lacks the polish both WP7 and iOS have. Whether ICS attempts to rectify this I'm not sure yet. The only thing thats stopping jump onto WP7 is lack of lastest gen hardware.
Give my a 720p with a dual-core proccessor and I'll be first in line!

I think the deal with battery life isn't always the battery or OS, but WHAT the phone can do and how often you use it. My old N95 8gb which I LOVED and hung onto for many years (and claimed a high price when recycled), that thing had many functions and that battery could last for hours or days, things like GPS/Maps (with the 3G loading more map squares as you move). The only time my Nexus S hasn't lasted a day unexpectedly was when I found the Facebook chat talking away in the background !! (quickly removed after that incident) I like the battery monitor graph so I can identify if there's a specific battery hog, but otherwise I always think if your phone is awesome and has many apps then the battery won't last long because you'll want to use it all the time. I imagine blackberry's last for a long time because they don't do anything fun afaik. :3
Also I find my OS very good ("pure Android"), and it gets frequent updates.

khsbenny said:
I have to say, although Im an avid Android user, I feel its unfinished and lacks the polish both WP7 and iOS have. Whether ICS attempts to rectify this I'm not sure yet. The only thing thats stopping jump onto WP7 is lack of lastest gen hardware.
Give my a 720p with a dual-core proccessor and I'll be first in line!
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Mine looks and feels very polished.
Android is Linux. Ubuntu doesn't look good out of the box, you gotta tinker with it to get it just right.
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And where exactly are you purchasing these Android brand cell phones?
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everywhere..
and I think we must consider iPhone now..

I agree, Nokia is just superb in overall quality. Samsung focuses on great screens, HTC caters to gimmicks and openness and is pretty much favored largely by members here because they push the openness... Horrid build quality though. Nokia is just superb in quality. I'm so glad that they now utilize an OS that can keep up.

herzzreh said:
I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
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hmmm.. the camera on my evo 3D works amazingly. it is exceptional in my opinion. just because the the default "auto settings" aren't amazing, doesn't make it terrible. adjust the exposure, sharpness (all available in settings) bam, amazing pictures.
i'm not quite sure why the battery life is so bad on most android phones? the only thing i can think of (theory obviously, but logical) is that a lot of the top end android phones like mine for example have big processors and bigger screens... that display CHEWS through my battery life like you would not believe. it is rarely less than 50 percent of the battery consumption.
needless to say, another thing i enjoy about android is the fact that there are always expandable battery options. the one in my phone is currently the 4,000 mah from seido... i charge my phone once a week.
i have said it once, and again, i will never own a smartphone that cannot be rooted/jailbroken... there is too much spying going on from carriers and phone companies. they know what apps you use, how often you use them, and when you uninstall them. if you think i am making this up, you are a fool. they do this to market to you every time you log into the app store/market so they know what to throw at you - things you like...
i personally like to have all of that stuff NOT on my phone. for me, android provides freedom to choose what i put on my phone and who gets to see it... not the other way around. plus all of the customization that comes with android platforms. i would take a dream machine phone to move me in a different direction.
either way, here is a screen shot of my last battery cycle, this a modest example as there was very heavy use this past weekend. usually i charge it on a monday and it lasts till saturday/sunday...
oh and cool story bro
EDIT*** oh and z33, i totally agree with you about build quality. the build quality on the evo 3D seems rugged and archaic. i wish it was a little more "sexy" looking. i just love the utter performance of the thing. it is astounding the things this phone is capable of.
i think of it like.... apple products and a select few of other phones are like ferraris to me... and my phone is like a 67 camaro with a chevy big block and blower.... doesn't look to nice, but eats up anything in performance.

the lumia 800 is said to get over 27 hours heavy usage on 1450 mh, and that's immensely heavy use. I'll be testing this once I have it in my possession but it's another testament to Nokia optimization.

that would be expected out of a single core phone with a 3.7 inch low resolution display. not surprising.
and i shouldn't say low resolution, i guess the appropriate observation would be "lower" resolution than many others out there. most are pushing HD pixels.... 800x480 or whatever it is, is pretty bare minimum by today's standards. but on a smaller screen i suppose it will still look pretty slick and sharp.

z33dev33l said:
the lumia 800 is said to get over 27 hours heavy usage on 1450 mh, and that's immensely heavy use. I'll be testing this once I have it in my possession but it's another testament to Nokia optimization.
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No matter what the build quality...it is just straight ugly. There is nothing sexy whatsoever about that phone. And the colors? It looks like it is made for a teenage girl. Also, you already admitted to the fact that they use second rate hardware...

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I have to say, although Im an avid Android user, I feel its unfinished and lacks the polish both WP7 and iOS have. Whether ICS attempts to rectify this I'm not sure yet. The only thing thats stopping jump onto WP7 is lack of lastest gen hardware.
Give my a 720p with a dual-core proccessor and I'll be first in line!
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The apps are atrocious, I have been using an HD7 for about a week and I am quite reaady to switch back. Moving to a Nexus One by the end of the week.

i tried the n9 yesterday, and i must say that the UI i far ahead of both android and ios. however, it has almost no apps compared to android/ios, and it is probably going to stay that way since nokia has dropped meamo.

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No matter what the build quality...it is just straight ugly. There is nothing sexy whatsoever about that phone. And the colors? It looks like it is made for a teenage girl. Also, you already admitted to the fact that they use second rate hardware...
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I admitted that they often use outdated processors. Please stop attempting to troll, you're not particularly good at it.

which phone more future proof? Galaxy S2 or iPhone

Hi there, im just wondering which phone is more future proof, i MIGHT be getting rid of 1 of them so i need 2 know which 1 i should keep. Which one of the phones is more future proof in terms of gaming?
By future proof i mean i dont want 2 upgrade in 2 years when my contract ends, i want the phone for about 3 yrs atleast.
I know Galaxy S2 has 4G and a bigger screen but on the other side of the coin the iphone 4S has a better graphics chip(dont know how much by) and i know games are always continually developed for iphones....hard decision, someone please help me make one lol
I want facts not just fanboy opinions for either device. 10 points best answer.
P.S: I already know that Andoid has less apps/games but most the ones i play are on Android.. so that particular issue aint really an issue for me.
I also want a phone that will continue running super smooth over the time also...the reason why i have both is because something about the largeness of the galaxy s2 screen keeps me coming back 2 it, but the games seem 2 run smoother on iPhone so its a hard decision

1. If i not mistaken Galaxy S2 has been awarded "The Phone of the Year",
2. S2 is more durable when come to drop test, you can easily find relevant video on youtube.
3. S2 has 1GB RAM, I4 has only 512MB, my guess is program run smoother on S2
4. Android Platform can multitask, I4 can't
5. Camera on S2 is 8MP while I4 is only 5MP.
6. S2 support 1080p while I4 support 720p
That all i can think of for the moment...

Definitely the s2. There's just more you can squeeze out of it in terms of gaming performance.
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I have to go with the Galaxy S2. Its just so nice looking.

lol are u guys just android fanboys?
gaming performance apparently the iphone 4s beats the galaxy s2 in gaming benchmarks..so how could u squeeze more out of it??

You didn't mention what iPhone you have. Anyway assuming it's at least an iPhone4 then you can bet your ass on it: iPhone all the way. It's not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of optimization: Modern Combat 2 runs much better on a 3gs rather than on an overclocked SGS2, just go on youtube and see it yourself. Every iOS game has better textures and better smoothness compared to its Android counterpart, regardless the hardware you're running it on; just have a look at some youtube game reviews and compare: it's really easy to see. Even Shadowgun, designed to take advantage of dualcore cpus still runs better on the iPhone4 rather that on my SGS2 which is tweaked like hell. There is no comparison: also, if i had to pick an Android right now mainly for gaming purposes (which is imho a bad idea anyway) i'd go for a Tegra device: sure they have their flaws and are overall slower compared to the Exynos chipset, but if you only care about games Nvidia makes good drivers and i'm pretty sure there is much headroom for improving the performance of this soc in terms of gaming.
On the other hand, talking about real life usage and overall performance and functionality the SGS2 is a much better device compared to the iPhone4, even slightly ahead of the 4s. Think about it, is it really worth it to pick up a device just because of the "gaming factor"? Not really imho. At the end of the day iPhones have more or less the same price of a decent desktop gaming rig: does it really have sense to throw so much money on a phone, if you really love games? Wouldn't you spend that money otherwise?
Edit: woops i missed the "s" in your post.

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You didn't mention what iPhone you have. Anyway assuming it's at least an iPhone4 then you can bet your ass on it: iPhone all the way. It's not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of optimization: Modern Combat 2 runs much better on a 3gs rather than on an overclocked SGS2, just go on youtube and see it yourself. Every iOS game has better textures and better smoothness compared to its Android counterpart, regardless the hardware you're running it on; just have a look at some youtube game reviews and compare: it's really easy to see. Even Shadowgun, designed to take advantage of dualcore cpus still runs better on the iPhone4 rather that on my SGS2 which is tweaked like hell. There is no comparison: also, if i had to pick an Android right now mainly for gaming purposes (which is imho a bad idea anyway) i'd go for a Tegra device: sure they have their flaws and are overall slower compared to the Exynos chipset, but if you only care about games Nvidia makes good drivers and i'm pretty sure there is much headroom for improving the performance of this soc in terms of gaming.
On the other hand, talking about real life usage and overall performance and functionality the SGS2 is a much better device compared to the iPhone4, even slightly ahead of the 4s. Think about it, is it really worth it to pick up a device just because of the "gaming factor"? Not really imho. At the end of the day iPhones have more or less the same price of a decent desktop gaming rig: does it really have sense to throw so much money on a phone, if you really love games? Wouldn't you spend that money otherwise?
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i actually did state what device i had... the 4S

vnvman said:
You didn't mention what iPhone you have. Anyway assuming it's at least an iPhone4 then you can bet your ass on it: iPhone all the way. It's not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of optimization: Modern Combat 2 runs much better on a 3gs rather than on an overclocked SGS2, just go on youtube and see it yourself. Every iOS game has better textures and better smoothness compared to its Android counterpart, regardless the hardware you're running it on; just have a look at some youtube game reviews and compare: it's really easy to see. Even Shadowgun, designed to take advantage of dualcore cpus still runs better on the iPhone4 rather that on my SGS2 which is tweaked like hell. There is no comparison: also, if i had to pick an Android right now mainly for gaming purposes (which is imho a bad idea anyway) i'd go for a Tegra device: sure they have their flaws and are overall slower compared to the Exynos chipset, but if you only care about games Nvidia makes good drivers and i'm pretty sure there is much headroom for improving the performance of this soc in terms of gaming.
On the other hand, talking about real life usage and overall performance and functionality the SGS2 is a much better device compared to the iPhone4, even slightly ahead of the 4s. Think about it, is it really worth it to pick up a device just because of the "gaming factor"? Not really imho. At the end of the day iPhones have more or less the same price of a decent desktop gaming rig: does it really have sense to throw so much money on a phone, if you really love games? Wouldn't you spend that money otherwise?
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I dont buy a phone just for gaming, i want an all round, best featured phone with gaming as a major part of it but i also want a phone that will atleast last me 2-3 years without NEEDING an upgrade. iphones are closed soure and i dont use itunes i purchase my music from other sources so android seems 2 be the go, but then why is iphone so popular and why do games/updates come out on them first usually?

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I dont buy a phone just for gaming, i want an all round, best featured phone with gaming as a major part of it but i also want a phone that will atleast last me 2-3 years without NEEDING an upgrade. iphones are closed soure and i dont use itunes i purchase my music from other sources so android seems 2 be the go, but then why is iphone so popular and why do games/updates come out on them first usually?
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All in all it's a matter of personal preference: if you keep the GS2 now you probably won't *need* (unless you don't wanna use a case for it) an upgrade: the phone will still be overall fully functional and usable but i'm pretty sure that many console quality games coming out next year or so will lag on it, and probably software wise don't expect to go further than ICS...also, the lack of optimization within the Android platform makes you need better hardware in order to run the games that will be baked for the A5 chipset, wich is greatly superior to Exynos (about twice as powerful). Long story short this is what i mean: the phone itself won't be outdated soon, but the gaming part will take a severe hit quite soon (imho), because most of the games coming out will be first of all designed for the 4s, so they will obviously look worse on every other phone available at the moment. You will see that already when MC3 will hit the Android market: people will start complaining for the lag and the crappier textures compared to the iPad2/iPhone4s version.
Why do games come out on iOS first? This is pretty self explanatory: when developing a console quality game you have to take full advantage of the hardware of each device the said game will be released for. Doing this for nearly each Android device will be way too expensive for the software houses, and their income wouldn't improve much either: iPhone is still the most sold phone on Earth after all, and all together i'm pretty sure that Apple outsells Android talking about higher end devices, and games are meant mainly for those, so go figure... You also have to take into account that also the software differs quite a lot through androids, and i honestly don't know how well ICS will address this issue, we'll see. Another show stopper for devs is the fact that Android is easily hackable, so it's almost pointless to sell expensive high grade games on it. This said you're still right when you say that iOS is really locked down, but this is actually the price you have to pay for an unmatched software optimization. Oh, and about the iTunes thing, you don't need to buy music from itunes if you have an iPhone, just add the one you have to the library. Also, if you're an audiophile please note that the GS2 is very average (basically it sounds like a mid range phone) as a media player, while the 4s delivers much better sound quality.

the thing about the iphone's tho is that its a really small screen. so when playing mc3 i have 2 squint 2 see. whats the point on having console quality if its only on a small screen?
also, the gs2 has more RAM, double what iphone 4s has, that is another thing that gets me... but u are helping me a make decision.
To be honest, i dont think MC3 on the GS2 will be too much different graphically then it is on iPhone... thats why its not released yet, cos they need 2 optimize it for each and every android device hat is capable of playing it. All the faster GPU does is account for faster rendering, not better textures
i know you dont have 2 purchase music through itunes... but then u NEED a pc or laptop 2 be able 2 add the songs 2 the official music player library and playlists...do you not?

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the thing about the iphone's tho is that its a really small screen. so when playing mc3 i have 2 squint 2 see. whats the point on having console quality if its only on a small screen?
also, the gs2 has more RAM, double what iphone 4s has, that is another thing that gets me... but u are helping me a make decision.
To be honest, i dont think MC3 on the GS2 will be too much different graphically then it is on iPhone... thats why its not released yet, cos they need 2 optimize it for each and every android device hat is capable of playing it. All the faster GPU does is account for faster rendering, not better textures
i know you dont have 2 purchase music through itunes... but then u NEED a pc or laptop 2 be able 2 add the songs 2 the official music player library and playlists...do you not?
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Yeah i know, infact i got the GS2 because i wanted a big, badass amoled screen and didn't care too much about games. Audio quality was a big let down to me tho, i was expecting it to sound at least as good as the SGS, which was really boss. Actually i tried to play MC2 on a friend's iPhone a while ago and the screen felt like a joke, but i got big hands, so that might have been just me. I really hope MC3 will be good, but i'm not very optimistic because MC2 was delayed too and was still quite rushed when it came out, and right now the Android version still has poorer textures. But who knows after all: Tintin came out in two different versions, for both high and low end devices, so there might be hope.
Talking about music afaik there isn't a way to load it on an iPhone without a pc, but i'm not really into iOS (as many here) so i'm not sure, maybe you can if you're jailbroken.

None of the above
Quad cores phones (HTC Edge) already made it on the stage, so that means everything dual core and single core will be obsolete or abandoned soon after, probably in a year or two
and there's no such thing as futureproof
when i7 CPU extreme black edition was the top of the line 3~4 years ago, now has been far surpassed by its younger brothers with 12 cores 2 years later (from 8 cores...)
so, just buy what you can afford today, and what you like best today.
if you are not in a hurry to get a new phone, then wait for as long as you can wait before getting a new phone, because 3 months down the row, a new and better phone is waiting for you
peterdan1506 said:
Hi there, im just wondering which phone is more future proof, i MIGHT be getting rid of 1 of them so i need 2 know which 1 i should keep. Which one of the phones is more future proof in terms of gaming?
By future proof i mean i dont want 2 upgrade in 2 years when my contract ends, i want the phone for about 3 yrs atleast.
I know Galaxy S2 has 4G and a bigger screen but on the other side of the coin the iphone 4S has a better graphics chip(dont know how much by) and i know games are always continually developed for iphones....hard decision, someone please help me make one lol
I want facts not just fanboy opinions for either device. 10 points best answer.
P.S: I already know that Andoid has less apps/games but most the ones i play are on Android.. so that particular issue aint really an issue for me.
I also want a phone that will continue running super smooth over the time also...the reason why i have both is because something about the largeness of the galaxy s2 screen keeps me coming back 2 it, but the games seem 2 run smoother on iPhone so its a hard decision
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My example
i switched phone provider, i needed a new phone, there was nothing decent at the time, i was forced to pick up the Nexus S with all its downside
so now that the SGS2 finally made its way, i switched to it right away, because that's the phone that can actually accomplish what i needed to do
but say for example if the Nexus S was able to meet all my needs, i wouldn't have bothered to upgrade to the SGS2, i'd probably have waited for Nexus 4 or SGS3 before getting a new phone
so it all comes down to your needs, and what you want to do with it, and if the phone is able to do what you want

@AllGamer: i agree, but we must not forget that it's not just a matter of hardware: most games still run better on an old as **** 3gs rather on the latest Android superphone. If the software (games or whatever) isn't optimized all the cores in the world won't make our gaming experience better, and this is especially true on a mobile platform.

lol its funny how ppl think old android devices will become obsolete. as th guy under all gamer.stated they still optimize games for older phones. my brother has a htc legend and most of the games are playable on that still through optimization and besides if needed u can overclock android devices cpu and gpu.
With that being said. Do ppl think games will still be made and optimized for dual devices like the
gs2?? As it would still be a very capable phone? Im new to android so what are peoples experience with past android game compatibility with phones??

i would go with the sg2... i will give advantage to the android system in general... even now it show its supremacy over iOS... and with no doubt it will become better

Well simply the iphone im a android fan at heart. But even I know the apple has the best reselling value for devices period. By the time the new iphone 5 comes out most people would of sold their iphone 4 or 4s by then to get it. You can get unreasonable amount of money for devices which are last gen on various selling sites.

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games that works in one phone will not work on another
mainly due Tegra, Exynos/Hummingbird, Qualcomm
then it comes the RAM sizes
so it's up to the game developer to provide support or not for their games
good example
Gameloft said they will no longer update Dungeon Hunter 1, which i paid for, but is not compatible with newer phone
other typical example Tegra games will not run on non tegras phones
some games are only available in certain models, some other are available in all, so it really depends on which games you plan to play, or might play in the future

depends
I think hardware wise, you're better with the android phone....
is you want to keep up with software, the iphone.
as an owner, for a year now, of a SGS1, and having it abandoned, if you're ok with the software that comes on it possibly being the only os update you get, and nearly no luck of them quickly releasing patches for bugs, then the SGS would be ok...
I'm not a big iFan, so am a little biased, but am jealous of the control apple has over their software updates...with the Iphone, you'll likely get fairly quick bug fixes pushed to your phone, and good chance your phone will get the next 1 or 2 os updates apple releases.
I think with the SGS, you'll be better with the larger screen...as I think phones are trending that way...and the more memory..and of course you get the future speed bumps as the carrier's 4g (3g+) tech gets updated and expanded....
personally...ny next phone is the nexus prime. updates straight from google, in a timely manner, and many of the specs similar to the sgs2.
just my 2 cents

Galaxy S2 vs. iPhone 4 vs. LG E900 vs. Lag myth

So I made this video to put an end to this nonsense myth about lagging propegated by people who have no idea at all what they're talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPqXwerQZps
As can be seen the S2 is the only device which performs smoothly on all fronts. The menu is smooth, webbrowser is smooth and gaming is smooth.
The iPhone 4 has problems loading taxing sites and clearly does lag in a very annoying way. I can also point to several situations where the iPhone 4 clearly lags in a very annoying way. Didn't have games on there but gaming is good as we all know very well.
WP7 has a smooth menu and everything looks nice. Does lag in the browser but it's not as annoying as the iPhone 4. Altho the main menu is smooth some apps do lag horribly, like the Xbox Live app. Gaming is horrible on this device altho I hear it's better on the Lumia 800.
All devices are Wifi N but the S2 is the only one who achieves good rates. The LG is the phone with the worst download rate and the iPhone 4 comes in second.
I know both youtube and 9gag have mobile sites which work better but I picked these sites off the top of my head as a showcase. There are enough sites out there which do not have a mobile site and are taxing to load.
So in conclusion, S2 Android is the best and doesn't lag, iPhone 4 doesn't lag usually but when it does it is the worst. Also there are several case in which the phone starts lagging so bad that it feels as if the phone has crashed.
WP7 has mediocre lag, the lag is there but workable.
All phones have been hard reset, I was in the process of reinstalling my S2 when the idea occurred to me. This is why the S2 has some apps on it and both the iPhone 4 and LG are stock and fresh.
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Why not test the iPhone 4s?

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Why not test the iPhone 4s?
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I don't have one here rightnow but I can say that it's webbrowser is more or less the same.
The only real improvement the 4S has to offer on the lag front is the following. If you have a lots of menu pages (8 pages is best for demonstration but it starts at 5), you go to the end of your menu and then press home. You'll see that on the 4 it clearly starts to lag and on the 4S this doesn't happen.
I wanted to film this too but it would take too much effort to fill the menu with apps right now, maybe later. I think the point has been made and as you can see the iPhone isn't the holy grail of lagfreeness some might have you believe.

Zee, where you at bro? I'm waiting for you to debunk this guys whole arguement, because anything you don't experience, absolutely can't be possible. Right?
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Zee, where you at bro? I'm waiting for you to debunk this guys whole arguement, because anything you don't experience, absolutely can't be possible. Right?
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I don't know who this Zee is but I'd welcome his input. I made this thread to open up discussion not to start a flame war. The video it self isn't perfect and open for criticism but I didn't make it to be perfect. I made it just to show there is lag in Apple.

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I don't know who this Zee is but I'd welcome his input. I made this thread to open up discussion not to start a flame war. The video it self isn't perfect and open for criticism but I didn't make it to be perfect. I made it just to show there is lag in Apple.
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You welcome Zee's output but you don't want to start a flame war?You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Anyway,talking about what 1gb of RAM can be used for...

I did a vid last night to show lag free ui using screencast but not uploaded it anywhere yet, even capturing video and superimposing a visual pointer to show where and when touches happened on screen in realtime I was able to swipe through screens and folders etc with no lag.
In fact it was so quick you barely see the pointer on screen where I touched screen to initiate action but still people say it lags.
Only lag I notice is opening or installing apps on stock gb rom.
I saw zee mentioned, surprised he hasn't commented yet as usually android lag is something he comments on. He has wp7 and android and says that android has lots of lag where wp7 is flawlessly smooth. Be interesting to see his take as he has used all phone systems whereas I haven't so can only speak from experience of android but to me the ui doesn't lag.
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Don't forget S II has Dual-Core CPU and the others has Single-core.

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Don't forget S II has Dual-Core CPU and the others has Single-core.
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WP does not even support dual core cpu yet.

When people says that iphone doesn't lag they mostly mean that it has 60fps buttersmooth interface without any dropped frames most of the time (In my opinion incorrect use of the word lag though).
It is physically impossible to show such smoothness on a 30fps hard compressed youtube video that isn't captured in sync with phone screen refresh rate.
I find my SGS2 pretty smooth most of the time, so I'm not defending iPhone (in fact I dislilke iPhone...), but your video is not enough to visualize the smoothness of the phones.

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Iphone 4S has dual core as well.
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The test isn't perfect but it's fine i guess. Honestly tho the comparison is a bit ubalanced imho: you compared the fastest android device on the market (i know how good it is, i owned one for 5 months) with possibly one of the slowest and oldest WP7 devices, and ofc the iPhone4 is as well a piece of history nowadays. To be fair you should have compared similar hardware: the LG phone you have there has the same hardware (cpu+gpu) as the HTC Desire, but compared to it the Desire feels like a sluggish piece of **** (not talking out of my ass, i've been using one for over a year), even if you tweak it and OC it like hell. Anyway there's no denying that right now even with the latest hardware WP7 sucks badly in terms of gaming, and the few games we have are insanely overpriced. Android has good hardware and good games, and many free ones look way batter than most "top" WP7 games; not that i really care tho, i'm not a heavy gamer and therefore this doesn't bother me much. Anyway in terms of usability WP7 is a pretty sweet spot between Android and iOS imho: it's, refreshing and new, pleasant to use out of the box and you don't have to spend 600€ nor hack the phone in order to have a smooth and consistent experience.
To each their own i guess...

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The test isn't perfect but it's fine i guess. Honestly tho the comparison is a bit ubalanced imho: you compared the fastest android device on the market (i know how good it is, i owned one for 5 months) with possibly one of the slowest and oldest WP7 devices, and ofc the iPhone4 is as well a piece of history nowadays. To be fair you should have compared similar hardware: the LG phone you have there has the same hardware (cpu+gpu) as the HTC Desire, but compared to it the Desire feels like a sluggish piece of **** (not talking out of my ass, i've been using one for over a year), even if you tweak it and OC it like hell. Anyway there's no denying that right now even with the latest hardware WP7 sucks badly in terms of gaming, and the few games we have are insanely overpriced. Android has good hardware and good games, and many free ones look way batter than most "top" WP7 games; not that i really care tho, i'm not a heavy gamer and therefore this doesn't bother me much. Anyway in terms of usability WP7 is a pretty sweet spot between Android and iOS imho: it's, refreshing and new, pleasant to use out of the box and you don't have to spend 600€ nor hack the phone in order to have a smooth and consistent experience.
To each their own i guess...
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He may have compared the fastest android phone on the market, but the simple fact of the matter is that the GSII has outsold any other android device by far (over 15 million). I still believe more people have an Iphone 4 and not a 4s, and is there a such thing as a popular WP7 device? So either way he is comparing the top sellers of each OS.

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He may have compared the fastest android phone on the market, but the simple fact of the matter is that the GSII has outsold any other android device by far (over 15 million). I still believe more people have an Iphone 4 and not a 4s, and is there a such thing as a popular WP7 device? So either way he is comparing the top sellers of each OS.
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Sure but is this little LG phone the top selling WP7 device? I hope not.
I still think that the simple fact that most people have a specific phone doesn't make it the best one. If it was so then the Galaxy 5 aka i5500 would be an amazing phone compared to the Titan, but last time i checked it was a cheap low end Android and sucked balls. Ok sorry, just kidding.
Anyway call me weird, but i still think that a fair comparison is the one between devices with at least comparable specs (or at least price tags), rather than the one between those with comparable sold units. I know there isn't such a thing as a dual-core WP7 device, but there's quite a big difference between a Snapdragon [email protected] and a Snapdragon [email protected], believe me.

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Sure but is this little LG phone the top selling WP7 device? I hope not.
I still think that the simple fact that most people have a specific phone doesn't make it the best one. If it was so then the Galaxy 5 aka i5500 would be an amazing phone compared to the Titan, but last time i checked it was a cheap low end Android and sucked balls. Ok sorry, just kidding.
Anyway call me weird, but i still think that a fair comparison is the one between devices with at least comparable specs (or at least price tags), rather than the one between those with comparable sold units. I know there isn't such a thing as a dual-core WP7 device, but there's quite a big difference between a Snapdragon [email protected] and a Snapdragon [email protected], believe me.
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So to even out the comparison he should be using and android device that is a year and a half old?

I'm actually surprised at the lack of attention this thread is getting, seeing as there have been quite extensive (and usually unproductive) discussions on this subject I was expecting people to flock to this thread.
The iPhone 4 / 4S is irrelevant IMO. The iPhone 4S has only been released recently and isn't mainstream yet. Past discussions have always concerned the 4 for one and the 4S does nothing to solve the issues I've demonstrated.
As for the question: "Why these phones", these are the ones I had in the shop at the time. I'll see if I can update or add when I have other devices.
As for my credentials, I own several repair shops (yes actual physical shops not somebody who works at home). I pride myself in being able to repair just about any phone with any issue unless it has water damage. I have most popular phones in stock and I also deal in used phones. Thus I have easy access to all the phones and I also get to play with all of them.

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I'm actually surprised at the lack of attention this thread is getting, seeing as there have been quite extensive (and usually unproductive) discussions on this subject I was expecting people to flock to this thread.
The iPhone 4 / 4S is irrelevant IMO. The iPhone 4S has only been released recently and isn't mainstream yet. Past discussions have always concerned the 4 for one and the 4S does nothing to solve the issues I've demonstrated.
As for the question: "Why these phones", these are the ones I had in the shop at the time. I'll see if I can update or add when I have other devices.
As for my credentials, I own several repair shops (yes actual physical shops not somebody who works at home). I pride myself in being able to repair just about any phone with any issue unless it has water damage. I have most popular phones in stock and I also deal in used phones. Thus I have easy access to all the phones and I also get to play with all of them.
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Oh it will get attention, trust me...the trolls are still asleep!

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So to even out the comparison he should be using and android device that is a year and a half old?
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Not really, picking a "high end" one like the Titan or the Lumia should be fair enough imo. I have this Omnia W here which should behave fine enough (despite being a mid range phone it still packs the latest gen WP7 SOC) but unfortunately I sold my GS2 a couple weeks ago because I was low on cash, so I can't make a decent comparison myself.

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Not really, picking a "high end" one like the Titan or the Lumia should be fair enough imo. I have this Omnia W here which should behave fine enough (despite being a mid range phone it still packs the latest gen WP7 SOC) but unfortunately I sold my GS2 a couple weeks ago because I was low on cash, so I can't make a decent comparison myself.
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I've had a Lumia 800 here and to be honest it doesn't matter that much. Games are still jerky, the XBox Live app is the same and the browser is the same. When it comes to specs most WP7 devices aren't that much different from one and other. The Lumia 800 has better specs but that bit extra doesn't really make a big difference in the end.

GIR said:
I've had a Lumia 800 here and to be honest it doesn't matter that much. Games are still jerky, the XBox Live app is the same and the browser is the same. When it comes to specs most WP7 devices aren't that much different from one and other. The Lumia 800 has better specs but that bit extra doesn't really make a big difference in the end.
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Yeah I wasn't talking about games, we all know they suck on WP7. But as far as regular usage is concerned my Omnia W feels a lot snappier compared to the Omnia 7 I've had for a few months. Ofc there's no night and day difference, but they are different to be honest.

Galaxy S3 or One S ?

I've been searching everywhere for a comparison thread or video or anything between the T-Mobile One S and Galaxy S3 . I right now have the One S and I am torn between this and the S3, so simple question, what phone do you think is better and why? T-mobile One S or T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S3 ( we pretty much know the specs)
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As always, this is a question of tastes, likes and dislikes.
Looking only at the specs, the S3 is better.
But looking at practicability I think the One S is better.

If you don't care for the money go for the S3.
The benefits of the one s over the s3 are better price, better haptic due to the smaller screen and better touch due to the aluminium body.
On the other side the s3 comes with bigger battery, sd card support, better screen (hd), better cpu and probably the bigger fanbase in the future... Therefore more developers.
I don't use touchwiz or sense so this wouldnt matter for me.
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this is what ive been wondering. i have till the 18th to return my htc one s if i dont like it (since i get 30 days to return it here in california). ive had reboots, signal going in and out which has been driving me nuts and wifi calling dropping calls for no reason when i have full wifi signal. also i think the gs3 looks like crap to me and cheap and the htc one s looks way better, but the GS3 does have better features (IMO) then the htc one s.
Galaxy S3:
Bigger screen
HD screen
Expandable micro sd card
Bigger battery and also can be replaced
More ram 1gb vs 2gb which might not even matter
I think the cpu and gpu is the same as the htc one s
NFC
HTC One S:
Much better design and sexier
Camera software is better (i think it is)
Htc sense 4.0 (which i think is much better then touchwiz)
I figure for the money im better off with the gs3 since i paid 250 plus taxes for my one s. but i will see.

Firstly the GS 3 does NOT have a better processor, just because it is "quad" does not mean that it is better
The S/XL/X AT&T/Evo 4G LTE uses the latest snapdragon chip, the S4 dual core krait. Have a look at the benchmarks comparing the GS 3 and the HTC One S and the HTC One X (Snapdragon S4)
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Unless you are looking at the version that the USA is getting in which case the GS 3 will then have the s4 as well.
Also just because the GS 3 has a bigger battery does not mean that it is also going to be better
Many factors affect battery life:
- screen size/type/res.
- driver/software optimization for battery
- the hardware that is used especially the CPU
etc.
So due to the bigger screen/higher res, the bigger battery is needed.
From what I have seen (from people who know what to post for screenshots regarding battery life and the required info. ) and heard from a friend (who owns the GS 3), the battery life does not sound that good, seems very average and only slightly better than the X.
Also just look at the atrix, it had a big battery, yet its battery life was terrible.
However, due to the s4 being very power efficient, the battery life could be a fair bit better than the exynos quad gs3,
version.
At least you will be able to get an extended battery though
The GS 3 only has 1GB of RAM as well (USA version has 2GB). There really is no need for any more RAM.
The GPU in the GS 3 is better (the GPU in the GS3 USA version is the same as the HTC one s [adreno 225])
So to sum up, if you want a bigger/better screen, more storage for dropbox, internal and the choice of using an SD card, NFC, better 1080P video recording (camera/photos seems good, but not a huge difference from what I can see and the HTC one/Sense V4 has a lot more features and some of them are great along with a better UI IMO) and a larger developing community go for the GS 3.
Although play with the GS 3 first and see what you think of touchwiz as I personally don't like it one bit, hate the colour scheme, modded apps and feels like a big step down from sense V4 overall IMO. Although touchwiz is tweaked very well under the bonnet.
Also you may find the GS 3 to be too big.

I think the OP is talking about the T-Mobile Galaxy S3 which will have dual core not a quad. Sure it all comes down to preference, would you like to have "TAMPERED" written to your bootloader and documented by the same company that is supposed to honor your warranty ? How bout a VGA front camera ? Maybe the atrocious cut out for the ****ty front camera? How bout poorly designed antennae that struggle to get a signal inside a building ? What about a non expandable 16gb memory device of which only about 10 is free ?
Touchwiz and Sense both hog resources, but TW is much, much lighter. The One S restarts Sense every chance it gets, and has a serious multitasking problem.

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Sure it all comes down to preference, would you like to have "TAMPERED" written to your bootloader and documented by the same company that is supposed to honor your warranty ?
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Not an issue for a lot of people as some are happy with the stock ROM in its current state and see no reason to root and flash a custom ROM yet as the 1S is super fast and smooth out of the box with great battery life and features.
Also is that not only if you use their method via their website for unlocking or whatever it is?
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How bout a VGA front camera ? Maybe the atrocious cut out for the ****ty front camera?
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Is the front camera really that important? Out of all my friends and family that I know who also have a front camera on their android phones, no one actually uses it......
The quality isn't amazing, but it isn't terrible....
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That was taken with some light coming in through the window (however, it is very cloudy outside, so it would be much better when we have blue skies)
The "atrocious cut out" There is nothing wrong with it IMO.
On the other hand the notification LED is atrocious and probably the cheapest/tackiest way that HTC implemented it.
At least the entire design and looks of the S is far better than the white & pebble blue GS 3, which looks like a cheap fisher price toy IMO......
Might be built very well and durable (not as durable as the GS 2 by the looks of things though) but there is no denying that in terms of "perceived quality" the HTC handsets especially the S due to the aluminium unibody/MAO process are still leagues ahead of Samsung.
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How bout poorly designed antennae that struggle to get a signal inside a building ?
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I have had my device since release day and have had no problems with the signal whatsoever no matter where I am, just took these SS when in a shopping centre in the car park level (bottom level out of three levels) and this is my signal with a H connection, which usually results in a weaker voice reception as opposed to a G/E connection:
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What about a non expandable 16gb memory device of which only about 10 is free ?
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Not an issue for some people otherwise we wouldn't have even laid eyes on the device just like the others....
Unless you plan on throwing your entire music collection (can use google music as well instead) on to your device along with films etc. then there won't be any problem with storage.
Over 500 photos including lots of 1080P recordings, along with emulator files, wallpapers etc. over 60 apps installed (including games) and I still have plenty of storage.
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Touchwiz and Sense both hog resources, but TW is much, much lighter. The One S restarts Sense every chance it gets, and has a serious multitasking problem.
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I have only had 2 reloads of the sense launcher when I was just using pure stock and it was only after returning from a game whilst using the browser as well. I have disabled a lot of sense widgets/apps etc. and use apex launcher, ics browser +, snowstorm weather widget, smooth calendar, APW calendar 4x4 widget, switch pro, and tasks free widget, swiftkey beta 3 and I have no problems with the multi-tasking, or any reloads whatsoever now.
And for the people who are experiencing the "serious" problems with the multi-tasking I am sure HTC will eventually release an update tweaking it or they could just root the mobile and install this app and then set the multi-tasking to what you want:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5ycy5hdXRva2lsbGVyIl0
I have had the GS 2 (on stock ICS) right beside my 1S (complete stock sense) and the 1S was noticeably quicker and smoother in every area that I tried be it browsing, games, loading apps/menus, carrying tasks out etc.
The GS 3 seems to have just as many problems as well, seems to be some wifi problems, screen problems amongst other problems and I am sure as time goes on and more and more people get their GS 3 will see even more posts stating problems etc. just like what it was with the 1S.
No device is perfect out of the box, guaranteed that every single device will have problems, even the iphones, which are suppose "to just work out of the box" have problems with the screen, buzzing in ear piece, poor battery life for a lot of handsets and signal problems as well etc.
And just because people experience certain problems with their devices does not mean that it applies to every single handset there is in the world.....

When OP asks this question here, I assume you ask the same on s3 forum cos you will for sure have most of people recommend one s here and s3 there.
There is no definitely good or bad, or better or worse between these two. Even one s is not HTC's flagship, give it to other brands, it could enough take the crown.
We could only rationally compare the specs and provide personal preference which is so depending on individules. I wouldn't deny that s3 does have better specs in some areas but one s wins in others. And one s has a few issues such as the mao coating chipping off. But it does not stop us loving the phone, rather, it only makes us love it even more cos only when you care your device, you want it better, right? Just like me, I never know what problem s3 has and will have, simply because I don't really care, I am satisfied with my beloved one s and I am pretty sure I will keep loving it since it is almost almost perfect.
So, the best way to find out which one to get, is to see the specs first, then find out any issues with both, especially if there is any deal breaking one, if you still cannot decide, go play with both in your local shops and feel them yourselves. However, I do recommend avoiding black one s cos it has hardware issue, but grey one is fine.
In the end I would say, I lovey my one s! Hope lots of people do the same (of course, try love your one s, not mine )
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if you're mad about the reboots and random issues it has when it first came out don't think the s3 is going to be perfect and bug free either cause you're going to be dissapointed if you gave up ur one S for a rebooting brick

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if you're mad about the reboots and random issues it has when it first came out don't think the s3 is going to be perfect and bug free either cause you're going to be dissapointed if you gave up ur one S for a rebooting brick
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The only problem I have is the multi tasking on it, and also this weird screen flickering
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s10shane said:
this is what ive been wondering. i have till the 18th to return my htc one s if i dont like it (since i get 30 days to return it here in california). ive had reboots, signal going in and out which has been driving me nuts and wifi calling dropping calls for no reason when i have full wifi signal. also i think the gs3 looks like crap to me and cheap and the htc one s looks way better, but the GS3 does have better features (IMO) then the htc one s.
Galaxy S3:
Bigger screen
HD screen
Expandable micro sd card
Bigger battery and also can be replaced
More ram 1gb vs 2gb which might not even matter
I think the cpu and gpu is the same as the htc one s
NFC
HTC One S:
Much better design and sexier
Camera software is better (i think it is)
Htc sense 4.0 (which i think is much better then touchwiz)
I figure for the money im better off with the gs3 since i paid 250 plus taxes for my one s. but i will see.
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Im in the EXACT same boat as you. I got my One S for 290 on Tmo with upgrade and am looking to sell back my One S for the GSiii. The only thing is I have til the end of this week to decide! Haha. If I sell back to T-Mo, will I be able to upgrade again?

Regarding reboots, since release day pretty much, I have only had 2 reboots and they both happened when I was using swiftkey beta 3, so it may have been related to that app due to it being in "beta" stages.....
Haven't had any more reboots since the latest beta version and update for the 1S *touch wood*

Closed Source Project said:
Im in the EXACT same boat as you. I got my One S for 290 on Tmo with upgrade and am looking to sell back my One S for the GSiii. The only thing is I have til the end of this week to decide! Haha. If I sell back to T-Mo, will I be able to upgrade again?
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yeah u can still upgrade if u return it within the 30 days or whatever days u have. i probably will trade mine back in right before it ends. it just depends on how much the gs3 cost me. i cant stand no micro sd card expansion. i know we get drop box but what good is drop box when ur out and u get crappy 2g? its pretty much useless and so is google music. this is why i would much rather have expandable memory so i dont have to rely on my internet connection. it just sucks to give up such a sexy ass device plus i normally hate samsung and love htc but i feel like im getting more for my money if the gs3 cost me the same as the htc one s cost me. if it cost more then i will stick with the one s.

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yeah u can still upgrade if u return it within the 30 days or whatever days u have. i probably will trade mine back in right before it ends. it just depends on how much the gs3 cost me. i cant stand no micro sd card expansion. i know we get drop box but what good is drop box when ur out and u get crappy 2g? its pretty much useless and so is google music. this is why i would much rather have expandable memory so i dont have to rely on my internet connection.
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That is the exact same reason I am considering switching over for. Thanks for the reply, nice to know I get my upgrade privilege back. If you find out how much the GSiii will cost on upgrade, please let me know. I will do the same for you
EDIT: I read Samsung states that the newest device should be 199 with contract (upgrade I assume as well if TMo is good). So same price if not cheaper if TMo does or doesn't have the 50 mail in rebate like with the One S (at least for me in Chicago). I found that on THIS article.

Closed Source Project said:
That is the exact same reason I am considering switching over for. Thanks for the reply, nice to know I get my upgrade privilege back. If you find out how much the GSiii will cost on upgrade, please let me know. I will do the same for you
EDIT: I read Samsung states that the newest device should be 199 with contract (upgrade I assume as well if TMo is good). So same price if not cheaper if TMo does or doesn't have the 50 mail in rebate like with the One S (at least for me in Chicago). I found that on THIS article.
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Sweet if its 199 with no rebates then I will get it asap. I paid 250 plus tax and over night shipping which cost me 340 which is kinda to much money for this phone. I sent the rebate in but it can take up to 8 weeks to get my 50
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As I see it the main reason to choose the one s over sgs3 is the size. And that was a good enough reason for me
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As I see it the main reason to choose the one s over sgs3 is the size. And that was a good enough reason for me
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Yeah the size is nice and its 720p which is also nice. I like the expandable micro sd and the removable battery is nice as well and NFC support.
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Terminator19 said:
Not an issue for a lot of people as some are happy with the stock ROM in its current state and see no reason to root and flash a custom ROM yet as the 1S is super fast and smooth out of the box with great battery life and features.
Also is that not only if you use their method via their website for unlocking or whatever it is?
Is the front camera really that important? Out of all my friends and family that I know who also have a front camera on their android phones, no one actually uses it......
The quality isn't amazing, but it isn't terrible....
That was taken with some light coming in through the window (however, it is very cloudy outside, so it would be much better when we have blue skies)
The "atrocious cut out" There is nothing wrong with it IMO.
On the other hand the notification LED is atrocious and probably the cheapest/tackiest way that HTC implemented it.
At least the entire design and looks of the S is far better than the white & pebble blue GS 3, which looks like a cheap fisher price toy IMO......
Might be built very well and durable (not as durable as the GS 2 by the looks of things though) but there is no denying that in terms of "perceived quality" the HTC handsets especially the S due to the aluminium unibody/MAO process are still leagues ahead of Samsung.
I have had my device since release day and have had no problems with the signal whatsoever no matter where I am, just took these SS when in a shopping centre in the car park level (bottom level out of three levels) and this is my signal with a H connection, which usually results in a weaker voice reception as opposed to a G/E connection:
Not an issue for some people otherwise we wouldn't have even laid eyes on the device just like the others....
Unless you plan on throwing your entire music collection (can use google music as well instead) on to your device along with films etc. then there won't be any problem with storage.
Over 500 photos including lots of 1080P recordings, along with emulator files, wallpapers etc. over 60 apps installed (including games) and I still have plenty of storage.
I have only had 2 reloads of the sense launcher when I was just using pure stock and it was only after returning from a game whilst using the browser as well. I have disabled a lot of sense widgets/apps etc. and use apex launcher, ics browser +, snowstorm weather widget, smooth calendar, APW calendar 4x4 widget, switch pro, and tasks free widget, swiftkey beta 3 and I have no problems with the multi-tasking, or any reloads whatsoever now.
And for the people who are experiencing the "serious" problems with the multi-tasking I am sure HTC will eventually release an update tweaking it or they could just root the mobile and install this app and then set the multi-tasking to what you want:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5ycy5hdXRva2lsbGVyIl0
I have had the GS 2 (on stock ICS) right beside my 1S (complete stock sense) and the 1S was noticeably quicker and smoother in every area that I tried be it browsing, games, loading apps/menus, carrying tasks out etc.
The GS 3 seems to have just as many problems as well, seems to be some wifi problems, screen problems amongst other problems and I am sure as time goes on and more and more people get their GS 3 will see even more posts stating problems etc. just like what it was with the 1S.
No device is perfect out of the box, guaranteed that every single device will have problems, even the iphones, which are suppose "to just work out of the box" have problems with the screen, buzzing in ear piece, poor battery life for a lot of handsets and signal problems as well etc.
And just because people experience certain problems with their devices does not mean that it applies to every single handset there is in the world.....
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I agree with this post almost completely.....except that I am definately having the data issue. I am hoping against hope that the ghost firmware update will correct this.
I returned mine yesterday and am having the same problem with this second one.
Edit-I think I'm in a fringe/low lieing area. I never get a real good signal, but the indicator fluctuates wildly. Mostly at 1-2 bars or less.
I myself would choose the One S over the SIII. Which I did.
I was a little concerned about the battery but it has turned out to be a non issue. Battery life is superb!

Changed my mind. I am sticking with the One S. Build quality is wayyyy better plus I would have to shoot myself in the groin if I had to deal with TouchWiz, even for one day. It's nice that you can have much more memory, but that's about it.

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Changed my mind. I am sticking with the One S. Build quality is wayyyy better plus I would have to shoot myself in the groin if I had to deal with TouchWiz, even for one day. It's nice that you can have much more memory, but that's about it.
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yeah it does suck but at least there is apex launcher which makes any phone nicer lol. plus im sure there will be a cm9 rom for it somewhere along the way. lol im still thinking about it. i probably wont make up my mind till i see the pricing official from tmobile