[Q] N5 vs G2 vs S4 showdown - pics and video now posted - Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

[Q] N5 vs G2 vs S4 showdown - pics and video now posted - Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I have an S4, G2 and a N5 in my house tonight and I'll be doing some comparison shots with the Cameras over the weekend to help everyone out.
I want to know what stuff you'd like to see in a 3 way between these three devices. Let me know below.
Should be a fun project, will post a YouTube video comparing different things like boot up time, Antutu scores and other stuff (suggestions welcomed). I'm happy to try include all suggestions, reasonable ofc, including full res unedited shots for direct side by side comparison on my blog when I'm done.
Go nuts... suggest your hearts out! :highfive:

Can you take some sample photos using all three phones? I want to get the N5 only if the photos taken on it is great like Google said. Thanks
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alexktz said:
I have an S4, G2 and a N5 in my house tonight and I'll be doing some comparison shots with the Cameras over the weekend to help everyone out.
I want to know what stuff you'd like to see in a 3 way between these three devices. Let me know below.
Should be a fun project, will post a YouTube video comparing different things like boot up time, Antutu scores and other stuff (suggestions welcomed). I'm happy to try include all suggestions, reasonable ofc, including full res unedited shots for direct side by side comparison on my blog when I'm done.
Go nuts... suggest your hearts out! :highfive:
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3dMark Ice Storm (whichever test they can all run).
Time from homescreen to playing youtube, netflix.
Battery life going from 100% to dead playing youtube on 50% brightness (just use one of those 100 hour loop videos).
Visibility in direct sunlight at 25%, 50%, and 100% brightness.
Camera clarity in various stages of low lighting using whatever tricks each one has.
Performance after loading up 10+ apps on each.
Loudspeaker clarity and volume with music and voice.
Recharge time from dead to full on AC.

Alot of speculation on the battery, is it good? Does it suck like the n4? In the end we know it will never be as good as the g2.

malek777 said:
Alot of speculation on the battery, is it good? Does it suck like the n4? In the end we know it will never be as good as the g2.
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What do you mean exactly in your last statement? Both phones have something the other one doesn't. The N5 uses the new Gorilla Glass 3 and the G2 is not. The G2 has a 5.2 inch screen while the N5 has a 4.95in screen. The battery on the G2 is surprisingly large in capacity.
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What im saying is a lot of people are waiting to see the battery test results to decide on whether to purchase this device or not. The g2 has a spectacular battery thats hard to beat.
Im just waiting for the reviews to start rolling.
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What im saying is a lot of people are waiting to see the battery test results to decide on whether to purchase this device or not. The g2 has a spectacular battery thats hard to beat.
Im just waiting for the reviews to start rolling.

I've shot most of the footage I need but will have to do the battery tests tomorrow as those things take time!
It's also worth bearing in mind that a brand new battery vs a 3 week old battery (my S4 and G2 are both that age) isn't really fair as the N5 won't be fully calibrated yet. My initial gut is that the N5 is about as good as the HTC one, which figures as the MaH is the same.
I've owned all 4 devices in the last 2 months (don't ask!) and honestly, the Nexus 5 is my favourite so far. I'm going to edit the footage this evening, and put it up soon. Thanks for the requests...

alexktz said:
I've shot most of the footage I need but will have to do the battery tests tomorrow as those things take time!
It's also worth bearing in mind that a brand new battery vs a 3 week old battery (my S4 and G2 are both that age) isn't really fair as the N5 won't be fully calibrated yet. My initial gut is that the N5 is about as good as the HTC one, which figures as the MaH is the same.
I've owned all 4 devices in the last 2 months (don't ask!) and honestly, the Nexus 5 is my favourite so far. I'm going to edit the footage this evening, and put it up soon. Thanks for the requests...
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Thanks for taking the time to do the comparisons. I'm looking forward to the results. I'm also glad to hear your favourite is the Nexus 5 so far, as after I ordered one I had that old twinge of buyers remorse/worry that I should've gone for the G2.

FlexiPack said:
Thanks for taking the time to do the comparisons. I'm looking forward to the results. I'm also glad to hear your favourite is the Nexus 5 so far, as after I ordered one I had that old twinge of buyers remorse/worry that I should've gone for the G2.
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The G2 is a fantastic product, but it's not £170 more fantastic.
I really liked the button placement as I cycle everywhere and adjusting volume has always been a pain whilst on the bike, but with the G2 I could do it even with gloves on! The G2 has two major points against it,
1) LGs skin - it's not a patch on Sense (which is excellent on the HTC ONE) and significantly cheapens the experience
2) Noone is buying it because of the N5 - so there aren't any ROMs coming (I enjoy the stock android experience and usually run Cyanogenmod, this doesn't look like a reality anytime soon on the G2).
The G2 battery is wonderful though lasting me a full 48 hours without issue. My S4 is usually gasping at the end of each day, I use my phone A LOT. Maybe 6-8 hours of screen on time. I'm resigned to having to buy an Anker battery pack for the N5 and just sling it in my backpack, no biggy - but hopefully once the new phone'ness has worn off I'll be able to get a full work day and then topup when I get in.
A mod to resize the on screen menu buttons can't come soon enough for the N5 though, they gobble up a LOT of space.
The N5 is my fav to hold and look at, prefer it even the HTC One. Very happy customer.

alexktz said:
The G2 is a fantastic product, but it's not £170 more fantastic.
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I wrestled with the N5 vs G2 vs Note 3 in my head over the past few weeks. and what you mention here is really what it boils down to(for me). the price difference was almost enough to sway me to the N5 alone, but then when you talk about bloatware on top of all that. the N5 wins by a mile.

How are the viewing angles? I know the Nexus 4's were pretty bad. That's one thing I miss about from my Galaxy Nexus.

Could you do a comparison of the noise cancellation on the three phones? Perhaps turn up some music and then record yourself a voicemail message on each phone and see how much they cancel out the background sound, when you play the messages back?
Both the S4 and the G2 have Audience's noise cancellation chip (Earsmart), which is much better than anything else out there. It was in the Nexus One, but no subsequent Nexus devices. I'm hoping it will be in the Nexus 5, since the G2 has it, but I kind of suspect it won't be there (to save money). Anyway, a comparison of how the noise cancellation works would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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alexktz said:
Noone is buying it because of the N5 - so there aren't any ROMs coming (I enjoy the stock android experience and usually run Cyanogenmod, this doesn't look like a reality anytime soon on the G2).
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Huh? Did you look at the XDA section for the G2. There's already Cyanogenmod for the G2, as well as Vanir. There's also unofficial versions of Paranoid Android, CarbonRom, BeanStalk, P.A.C., and AOKP. And that's just in the Original Android Development section. There's lots of ROMs.

Charging results
I let all the phones run down overnight to 0% using the battery drain app from Play store. I then used the charger and cable that came with each device, here are the results - interesting test.
N5 - 2,300mah battery, 5.6V / 1.2A charger
S4 - 2,600mah battery, 5.0V / 2.0A charger
G2 - 3,000mah battery, 5.0V / 1.8A charger
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Could you do a drop test for all three? Thanks.

eksasol said:
Could you do a drop test for all three? Thanks.
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I'll do it later
Anyway, I went for a nice walk around Norwich this morning with my dog and took several photos with each device. I've uploaded them to google+ and the results are here now for you to see.
Nexus 5
LG G2
Galaxy S4
The results are really fairly evenly matched, even in the couple of shots that I took in low light last night there's very little to tell between the cameras.
Nice job on the N5 google.

alexktz said:
I'll do it later
Anyway, I went for a nice walk around Norwich this morning with my dog and took several photos with each device. I've uploaded them to google+ and the results are here now for you to see.
Nexus 5
LG G2
Galaxy S4
The results are really fairly evenly matched, even in the couple of shots that I took in low light last night there's very little to tell between the cameras.
Nice job on the N5 google.
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Alex, thanks for doing this. Really importantly, do you have any opinions on the screen in comparison to the lg g2 or any other? It's the most important thing to me - I'm specifically talking about colour saturation/white balance as this was an issue on the not very well calibrated nexus 4.
Is it washed out? Or is it as good as the g2? Seem to be getting mixed opinions from all sources. Best way would be to turn both phones up to max brightness and google an image of some kind (yellows a good test colour) onto both to compare.
Any thoughts on this are desired and very welcome!
Thanks.

paddylaz said:
Alex, thanks for doing this. Really importantly, do you have any opinions on the screen in comparison to the lg g2 or any other? It's the most important thing to me - I'm specifically talking about colour saturation/white balance as this was an issue on the not very well calibrated nexus 4.
Is it washed out? Or is it as good as the g2? Seem to be getting mixed opinions from all sources. Best way would be to turn both phones up to max brightness and google an image of some kind (yellows a good test colour) onto both to compare.
Any thoughts on this are desired and very welcome!
Thanks.
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The G2 screen is much better, clearer and the colours 'pop' more.

alexktz said:
I'll do it later
Anyway, I went for a nice walk around Norwich this morning with my dog and took several photos with each device. I've uploaded them to google+ and the results are here now for you to see.
Nexus 5
LG G2
Galaxy S4
The results are really fairly evenly matched, even in the couple of shots that I took in low light last night there's very little to tell between the cameras.
Nice job on the N5 google.
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Thanks for the photos. Interesting results. I've done some side by side comparisons between the Nexus 5 & S4 at 100% Crop. To me there's little difference. Perhaps the S4 resolves a touch more detail due to it's higher megapixel count but I also think the the S4 applies too much sharpening. The Nexus 5 is a bit more reserved with the sharpening which I'm pleased to see as it will allowed a bit more latitude with post processing. There is a touch of noise and artifacts in the sky of the Nexus 5 photo but remember these are viewed at 100%.
Note - these screen captures were made with the windows print screen key so the colour profiles will have been stripped. So don't pay too much attention to the colours.
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Thanks for taking your time taking photos. It seems the camera is mediocre. It's an improvement over the N4 but not enough for me to buy the N5. Boo.
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A couple of more comparisons between the N5 & S4. Look at the detail in the grass on the N5 photo. I much prefer the N5 results.
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Initial Impressions of Compare my Captiviate vs buddies Atrix

Thought you all might find this interesting. My buddy got his Atrix yesterday and I got to play with it this morning and compare to my Captivate running FireFly 2.1 rom. Initial impressions are frankly not impressed. I think my screen is brighter and pretier. The resolution seems to be higher on the Atrix, which is great, but the fonts are hard to read and buttons much harder to press then on my captivate which has same screen size. My phone seems to be generally snappier and when I ran NeoCore on both phones the Cappy beat the Atrix by 2 FPS or more every time. Not too impressed with duel core or perhaps the phone just needs an XDA hacked rom to fix it. Anyway, didn't love it to be honest which was a surprise to me. Love my Captivate even with the few issues it has. Just my thoughts and initial impressions.

I got my GF the Atrix to replace her N1, played with it all day yesterday. I liked it.
I think I could be perfectly happy with this screen.......... if I had never seen an amoled before.
The resolution is great. Very sharp. Text looks awesome.
Its a tough call. Images look sharper on the Atrix, but the color/blacks is better on the Captivate. Both phones set to 1/2 brightness, and the Atrix just has that LCD backlight washout look. But its not bad, its slight. Way better than an Evo for example. (or my galaxy tab)
I'm looking at both side by side, and I can't decide. One is sharper, but one has better looking color/black levels. I guess it will have to come down to preference. I'm really torn. And I will admit I'm an amoled fanboy.
The speed is much better on the Atrix. (I have the latest paragon ROM on my cap) I tried some webpages that the captivate would choke on, and the Atrix was fine. Also moving around the market, installing apps, much quicker. And never any lag anywhere. Doing a Titanium restore was *much* faster than I've ever seen on the N1 or SGS.
If you bench with Quadrant or Linpak, it destroys the cap.
Here is a crude photo of the screens side by side, you can see some subtle differences, but to really compare you have to see in person.
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Wow, Boosted, that is interesting. Wonder if the diference is the different roms we are running. My Cappy running FireFly 2.1 was very obviously faster to me moving around the phone and in the market. My friends Atrix right out of the box was visibly slower. Even found it laggy when moving from portrait to lanscape. Anyway, thanks and always neet to hear others impressions.

Houndog said:
Thought you all might find this interesting. My buddy got his Atrix yesterday and I got to play with it this morning and compare to my Captivate running FireFly 2.1 rom. Initial impressions are frankly not impressed. I think my screen is brighter and pretier. The resolution seems to be higher on the Atrix, which is great, but the fonts are hard to read and buttons much harder to press then on my captivate which has same screen size. My phone seems to be generally snappier and when I ran NeoCore on both phones the Cappy beat the Atrix by 2 FPS or more every time. Not too impressed with duel core or perhaps the phone just needs an XDA hacked rom to fix it. Anyway, didn't love it to be honest which was a surprise to me. Love my Captivate even with the few issues it has. Just my thoughts and initial impressions.
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Do another test when 2.4 rolls out. That is when true dual core support rolls out for Android. I'm willing to guess then you will actually see a boost.

Houndog said:
Wow, Boosted, that is interesting. Wonder if the diference is the different roms we are running. My Cappy running FireFly 2.1 was very obviously faster to me moving around the phone and in the market. My friends Atrix right out of the box was visibly slower. Even found it laggy when moving from portrait to lanscape. Anyway, thanks and always neet to hear others impressions.
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I will honestly say it went back and forth. Somtimes the Atrix would be quicker, sometimes my Cap. But one thing I did notice for sure, was the web page scrolling, the app installing, and the Titanium restore was much faster on the Atrix. (and the bench numbers, but they are meaningless I spose)
As far as my overall impression... I still have my Cap. And I'm a sucker for getting phones on release day. I think playing with it for a day was enough for me, I'm going to wait and see how things play out with the Atrix getting updates, and the SGS2 coming.
My non-techie GF does however like it, seems to be a good upgrade from her N1.

I'm a photographer and looking at the pics above I'd say the Cappy is better. The Atrix has slightly better color rendition, but the Cappy's shadow detail is much better. Look at the car's front grille and the dark area in the trees to the left. Look at the front wheel. On the Atrix it is almost all one color, but on the Cappy you can see some more definition. Better shadow detail means better pictures in lower light and more crispness overall, areas where many cameras fall short. Can't speak to performance, but on picture quality alone I would take the Cappy. Of course, what you see on the phone's screen could be completely different than what you see after you transfer the pic to a computer, but if something like watching a movie on the device is important, the phone that better renders pics will also look better with movies.

Miami_Son said:
I'm a photographer and looking at the pics above I'd say the Cappy is better. The Atrix has slightly better color rendition, but the Cappy's shadow detail is much better. Look at the car's front grille and the dark area in the trees to the left. Look at the front wheel. On the Atrix it is almost all one color, but on the Cappy you can see some more definition. Better shadow detail means better pictures in lower light and more crispness overall, areas where many cameras fall short. Can't speak to performance, but on picture quality alone I would take the Cappy. Of course, what you see on the phone's screen could be completely different than what you see after you transfer the pic to a computer, but if something like watching a movie on the device is important, the phone that better renders pics will also look better with movies.
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I am by no means a photographer, but I can see what your pointing out. Also for info, the pic on the phones was shot with my Nikon D80 w/Nikon lens, and the pic of the phones was shot with the same cam/lens.
Also forgot to mention I have a couple of the 720p Samsung movies that came on the vibrant (or epic or something) just like showcase vids. Played one on both phones, and the cap was the *clear* winner. If I think about it, I'll do it again tonight, and take some pics of that, the difference is *much* greater than my car photo.

Another thing to look at is the bright areas. On the Atrix they are just blobs, but the Cappy still shows some detail. Look at the bright hedges to the left and right of the light pole. Very little detail in the Atrix ones. The detail of the bricks is also clearly better on the Cappy.

So to the OP or anyone that also had hands on with the device, I am assuming that the Atrix, to you, is not worth the off-contract price and/or renewing your contract for 2 more years? Just need your opinion

Xstop said:
So to the OP or anyone that also had hands on with the device, I am assuming that the Atrix, to you, is not worth the off-contract price and/or renewing your contract for 2 more years? Just need your opinion
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It's not that cut and dry, I think the Atrix has it's purpose and performs very well at it.

ryude said:
It's not that cut and dry, I think the Atrix has it's purpose and performs very well at it.
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Sorry, but it was to me after a couple of days with the Inspire. Yes I returned it.
Just wasn't worth the 2 year upgrade for that phone and definitely not worth the no-contract price.
Edit: But I probably won't get the Atrix either because I don't want to do it all over again with the buying and returning, just wanted some opinions. But I can wait til the 3rd or 4th quarter of new phones.

Xstop said:
Sorry, but it was to me after a couple of days with the Inspire. Yes I returned it.
Just wasn't worth the 2 year upgrade for that phone and definitely not worth the no-contract price.
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I haven't seen an Inspire in person, but on paper it would be awesome if it had come out a year ago. I would imagine the Atrix would be better in every single way. I would rather have my Cap than the Inspire.

I have to tell you that I thought this might be my next phone, but initial impression was not better than what I have now with the Cappy for sure. Maybe a future update will fix the speed and make it much faster. Funny, my buddy with Atrix just walked in the room while I was typing this and he is struggling to read the screen. I noticed that with the resolution being higher that the words and icons appeared smaller myself. He is an older gentleman and having trouble reading the screen. Have to admit that I think I would be struggling as well. Does anyone know how to increase the fonts overall on an android phone? His is not rooted yet of course.

Awww weak, I was planning on getting this phone but it looks like qdisplay or w/e it's called isn't for me. Guess I'll wait for SGS 2

2011 is a sucky year for smartphones, even though it's the most hyped I've seen in a while.

Houndog said:
Does anyone know how to increase the fonts overall on an android phone? His is not rooted yet of course.
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I haven't messed with this myself, but I've seen a lot of guys with the Galaxy tabs playing around with it, you can at least give it a shot.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/change-android-screen-resolution-with-lcd-density/

Wow, thanks Boosted. I will tell him about this. This does require root though. I was hoping for a solution that woudn't require root.

Houndog said:
Wow, thanks Boosted. I will tell him about this. This does require root though. I was hoping for a solution that woudn't require root.
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Rooting the Atrix is super easy, only takes a couple of minutes. One click pretty much. I might even give this a try on my Galaxy tab for giggles..

Interesting write-ups and thanks for the information. I was impressed when I saw the Atrix on paper but haven't made it into the store to mess around with one. I love the screen on my cappy and it will be hard for me to migrate away from it. Once I finally got the ROM setup where I wanted it, I do like this phone. I am however, anxiously awaiting whats down the road this year.

Regarding the photo of the screens...
Think about it: a photo of an SAMOLED screen displayed on a computer's LCD display is not going to be of any use. By viewing the photo on LCD you're immediately eliminating 99% of the stuff that makes OLED stand out.
It's pretty useless to judge an SAMOLED screen (or a SAMOLED-vs-LCD comparison) via an image on a computer as a result.

Thanks for a really nice forum!

The time has finally come. My HTC One X is in my hot little hands, and the wife has hijacked my DS. Time I was moving on.
Thank you all for the last 13 months here. I've actually felt a strong sense of remorse about leaving the DS forums behind, which hasn't happened on previous upgrades. It has been a pleasure.
I'll pop back to answer questions on my subscribed threads, and of course i will be continuing support on the CoreDroid ROM thread.
Cheers guys.
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How many more will we lose?!
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Crap... Lost a good one there. We're crumbling fast here... But I guess its only a matter it time before we all change our devices. Maybe I ought to take a look at this one x hoopla myself...?
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Ohh i looked at it alright, couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It's great but costs like 35k. I'm probably here for another year or so, so i seriously hope we don't lose devs over this.....

shrome99 said:
Ohh i looked at it alright, couldn't take my eyes off the screen. It's great but costs like 35k. I'm probably here for another year or so, so i seriously hope we don't lose devs over this.....
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Where'd you find it? I'm willing to spend 35K man... just didn't think it was already available!! Is it selling already ??!!

Yup, it's available here in chandigarh, at almost every shop that sells htc phones.

enigmaamit said:
Where'd you find it? I'm willing to spend 35K man... just didn't think it was already available!! Is it selling already ??!!
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flipkart has it too
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We have it here in Greece for about 3 weeks now.
Official release will be at 15th of April or so however many resselers have it right now.Probably these are independent imports.
The price starts from 626 to 699 euros.
I will try to blackmail a provider to get it for free or at very low price.
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wnp_79 said:
The time has finally come. My HTC One X is in my hot little hands, and the wife has hijacked my DS. Time I was moving on.
Thank you all for the last 13 months here. I've actually felt a strong sense of remorse about leaving the DS forums behind, which hasn't happened on previous upgrades. It has been a pleasure.
I'll pop back to answer questions on my subscribed threads, and of course i will be continuing support on the CoreDroid ROM thread.
Cheers guys.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
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Will you please tell us your impressions and how good is the device?
It will be nice to hear the comments coming from a long time user of DS.

wnp_79 said:
The time has finally come. My HTC One X is in my hot little hands, and the wife has hijacked my DS. Time I was moving on.
Thank you all for the last 13 months here. I've actually felt a strong sense of remorse about leaving the DS forums behind, which hasn't happened on previous upgrades. It has been a pleasure.
I'll pop back to answer questions on my subscribed threads, and of course i will be continuing support on the CoreDroid ROM thread.
Cheers guys.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
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We want a detailed review!!!
Coming from a long standing user of Android, HTC, Sense and the DS, your review will definitely be more informative and genuine than the ones floating around everywhere...
So we're waiting for a lowdown on the One X from you.
P.S. : Make it an embarrassingly long one!!
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shrome99 said:
Yup, it's available here in chandigarh, at almost every shop that sells htc phones.
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35K flat rate? Or is there bargaining room...? With papers and warranty i presume?

Some shops say 37k, so i assume 35k after bargaining rate...... Even if i were to get a new phone (highly unlikely) then i would go for the smaller One S. 4.7 inches is too big for me.
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I thought HTC was only launching the X and V in India, not the S... maybe i'm wrong... haven't been able to keep up with development due to real world work... But no half way (4 in) measures this time. I'll either keep the 3.7 incher DS or get the 4.7 in monster!!!

Don't worry, he said he will have one up soon
I knew this would happen. It happens to every forum during upgrade time, and you see the forum shrink
Det66, and LBC also got a One X....
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enigmaamit said:
I thought HTC was only launching the X and V in India, not the S... maybe i'm wrong... haven't been able to keep up with development due to real world work... But no half way (4 in) measures this time. I'll either keep the 3.7 incher DS or get the 4.7 in monster!!!
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One S will launch in May..
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Thanks guys. Yes I'll give it a week or so to get a good idea of it, then do one of my mega reviews! I'll post it here. There is an ota update due so i also want to wait on that before i comment on battery life! ;-)
Early impressions are very good. Once you get used to the size (my DS already seems like a baby) it's screen just blows you away. No matter how hard i squint closely at the screen, i can't make out a single pixel! It's like the screen is painted on. Obviously you notice it's power getting it set up. Flies through menus and homescreens.
Watch this space!
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suku_patel_22 said:
One S will launch in May..
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Well worth a read: http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...c-one-x-vs-one-s/&category=classic&postPage=1
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wnp_79 said:
Thanks guys. Yes I'll give it a week or so to get a good idea of it, then do one of my mega reviews! I'll post it here. There is an ota update due so i also want to wait on that before i comment on battery life! ;-)
Early impressions are very good. Once you get used to the size (my DS already seems like a baby) it's screen just blows you away. No matter how hard i squint closely at the screen, i can't make out a single pixel! It's like the screen is painted on. Obviously you notice it's power getting it set up. Flies through menus and homescreens.
Watch this space!
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Damn it, stop making me jealous!!
Haha , looking forward to your review mate
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Can you please inform the internal storage capacity for users?

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Can you please inform the internal storage capacity for users?
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Just over 25gb is available to users...
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OK I said I would put my [MEGA] review here when I was finished with it. Had the phone for a couple of weeks, so will be posting this on Amazon pretty soon....
My first venture in to the world of Android and HTC was with HTC's flagship device of 2010: The HTC Desire. When it came to upgrade that, going with the next flagship (the Sensation) didn't seem worth-while. I didn't like the larger size, and wasn't convinced the dual core CPU was going to be utilised properly and provide any real advantage. Instead I chose to go with the successor to the Desire, the Desire S and I never regretted it for a minute. A fantastic device despite it's minor flaws.
Time marched on, and it came time to look at the next upgrade. The logical choice for me was the HTC One S. Still a large phone, I loved the aluminium uni-body construction also used in the Desire S. However, HTC (as well as other manufacturers of late) have made the curious design choice of removing the SD card slot. I was disappointed to learn that my planned upgrade device had been hobbled with a mere 16GB internal memory. I knew this wasn't enough for me. I wasn't convinced with the offer of free Dropbox space to appease me either. The extra data allowance I'd need on my contract to use this cloud storage regularly would amount to an extra £210 over 24 months. Plus my carrier's 3G isn't fantastically reliable. Who wants to wait an hour, draining their (non-replaceable) battery for their album to download before they can listen to it?
This forced me to look at the One X, a phone I wrote off initially when I learned of it's dimensions and OTT processing power. Being as the X is only £50 more than the S, it made more sense to me than paying to increase my data allowance. Still not being convinced of the need for a dual core phone (I don't do much gaming on my phone) I was definitely sceptical about all this quad-core business, but hey, I needed 32GB storage and that was that.
So now that you know where I am coming from and after having this phone for a few weeks now, here are my findings.
Note: At the time of writing this I am on firmware release 1.26.401.2 which has the following bugs:
Sense occasionally reloads after exiting an app.
nVidia Power Management put in the wrong part of the ROM by HTC. (Epic Fail HTC)
HTC Agenda Widget causes Sense to reload if scrolled.
OTA updates are expected to fix these soon.
Build Quality.
I decided to break from the norm and go for the white model. The first thing that struck me upon removing from the box for the first time (not surprisingly) was the size. I actually LOL'd. To this day I still think it is a bit too uncomfortable to hold compared to my Desire S, but after a couple of days I got used to it. It is much lighter than it would appear to be, but I suppose this is because I'm used to an aluminium phone, not a polycarbonate one. I find that one handed operation is not quite possible in all circumstances, the most irksome one being the power button. Yes it's where all the others have been, on the top-right edge of the phone. However using one hand I can no longer reach this whilst maintaining a reliable grip on the phone. A two-handed on/off is required. Fitting a case makes it slightly easier to grip, but of course adds more bulk and detracts from the gorgeous aesthetics. I can't help but feel they could have taken a leaf out of Nokia's book, and put it on the side where it's easily reached by the thumb.
Whilst waiting for it to full charge before turning on for the first time (following HTC recommendations as I didn't want to risk damaging a battery you can't replace) I gave it a good look over. All is in line with HTC usual build quality. Some have reported a gap between the top of the screen and the body, but doesn't seem to be a problem on mine. The volume keys however, do not have much tactile feedback when pressed as they have been set flush to the edge of the phone. Possibly to reduce accidental pressing, but only a small gripe there.
The protruding camera lens is a concern. Lying flat, the glass of the camera lens will be in direct contact with the surface it's on. Even some cases don't help here, as the cut-out for the camera lens still lets the lens poke through. At the time of writing this (as is common with a new release) there are no Case-Mate cases available for this phone. I am having to be very careful about putting it down.
Despite all this, I was impressed with the look, feel and weight of the phone. And then I got the green 'Fully Charged' light and I turned it on....
Holy cow. Now this is how you do a screen. I cannot make out a single rough edge or pixel. It is pin sharp. Colours are represented well and it is a joy to look at. I am so glad I did not go with the One S and it's pentile screen. Performance in strong daylight is still not perfect, but at least at full brightness it does much much better than my Desire S did. After a couple of days, my wife (now the proud owner of my Desire S) asked me for assistance with some settings. After two days of looking at the One X, the Desire S screen was like looking at rough, grainy tiny little toy by comparison!
Operation.
Needless to say the CPU power on offer here makes navigating around the phone's menus and apps slicker than a buttered weasel. There is just no waiting, even for a second, for commands to be carried out. No stutter scrolling through lists or panning across full web pages. I tried one of those games optimised for Tegra chip-sets just to see for myself what the phone was capable of. Pinball HD ran without a single stutter or hiccup and looked fantastic.
I am also liking HTC's refined and slimmed down Sense 4.0. I was never a fan of the Sense 3.5 fancy animations. They were cool at first, but quickly became annoying. The home screen carousel effect was just a pointless effect that frequently had me rolling my eyes. I was worried that more CPU power would encourage more fancy fluff. Thankfully HTC appear to have listened to their critics and gone the other way. A lot of the needless animations are gone, scrolling wallpaper is back (thank you), and Sense has returned to being a pretty yet functional UI. It improves on areas of the stock Android 4.0 but doesn't completely smother it. Of course if Sense is not your thing then there are a wide selection of alternative launchers for you to download from the Market, but I have not tried those so I wont go into that here.
HTC were keen to promote the improvements made to the camera on this device, and I can confirm that for the first time since my Sony Ericsson k800i, I have a fantastic camera on my phone! It is not quite good enough yet to get me to forget about my dedicated compact digital camera (we'll need to see the return of xenon flash for that IMO) but this the best camera phone you can get today. Shots in strong light are all but indistinguishable from my compact camera. Shots in low light are vastly better than my Desire S, with much less noise and correction required. I used to regularly have to open up photos in PicSay Pro (a nice photo editing app) on my Desire S and correct the exposure and saturation of low light shots, but I have yet to open that app on my One X. I may not need it at all, as HTC have for the first time included native photo editing that can now do more than just crop and rotate. Despite HTC having added 5 levels of LED flash intensity, I still find that if the flash goes off it still makes photos look a little bleached. It could have done with something like Sony's 'Flash Mode' on the White Balance settings, which amps up the reds to counteract the bleaching effect of the flash. But so far I have left the flash set to 'off' and have yet to be disappointed with low light shots. HDR mode is very good at helping here.
I was a big fan of Swype keyboard. The stock HTC one takes up too much screen space on this phone in my opinion, plus their trace keyboard is still not a match for Swype's. Too many corrections required. However Swype worked well when one thumb could comfortably reach across the screen. I find the far corners of the keyboard too uncomfortable to reach on the One X. To that end I have accepted two handed typing is a must on this phone, so have made the switch to Swiftkey which works very well.
Beats Audio. Gimmick. HTC saw fit to not include official Beats headphones in the box, so it is merely a Bass Boost button that has been around since Walkmans of the eighties. OK if you are listening to bassy music, but make the switch to something else and it sounds terrible. I quickly turned Beats off and returned to my much loved music app PowerAmp. This has a very comprehensive EQ that lets you tune the sound to your liking, and to suit your choice of headphones. To this end the sound I can get from my One X is very good. I also like that it goes slightly louder than my Desire S, which I always found to be a bit too quiet. I can't comment on the quality of included headphones as I've only used my a-Jays.
Battery Life & no SD Card.
Two major concerns of mine were the sealed battery and no SD card slot. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking I wouldn't have mined the phone being slightly thicker and heavier to be able to change the battery and swap SD cards. Also was the concern that with over 4 times the processing clout of my Desire S, with a much larger screen, and only slightly larger battery capacity that battery life would be sacrificed. Relax. So far the battery life is shaping up to be exactly on par with previous HTC phones. Not better, but not worse either. Don't judge the battery life in the first two weeks. You'll only get 6 hours out of the first charge, but 10 hours out of the second charge. 12 hours out of the third charge. After a week I was getting 18 hours which as a heavy user is all I'd expect. Now that I am two weeks in I am getting 24 hours with regular use. Playing HD games of course brings this right down, but that's what you would expect if you want to have this much power at your finger tips.
There is a shade over 25GB available of space on the virtual SD card. I can live with that. The One S has only 11GB out of the 16GB which would definitely be insufficient for my needs. I just have to be a little bit more brutal about which albums I have on my phone, and keep on top of transferring large files like video and backups to my home network. I wont let this phone get as cluttered as my last one! I am not suffering for the loss of 32GB storage capacity.
Conclusion.
I am relieved that my major worries about this phone have turned out to be acceptable. I am very happy with it. Others may find the early bugs unacceptable for HTC to have allowed to be released, but I am a member of XDA. Bugs are there to be conquered!
I have gotten used to the size, and the screen means that any other phone I look at (including the iPhone) causes me to scoff! I can never go back to anything less than 720p now! Anything else just looks rough next to the One X.
If you wait until HTC release an OTA update to squash these silly faults or you'd be happy accepting them to fix yourself using the help of XDA, then it is in my opinion, the best phone I've ever had.

Wow, that's really long. Thanks very much for that.
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Nexus 5 or G2 if they are priced the same?

I can get a 16gb nexus 5 and LG G2 base model for around the same price (give or take 20 dollars) Which one would you choose? My concern about the nexus 5 is its battery life, which the G2 is great at.
Thanks for the input!
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Between the two at this exact moment, I'd take the LG G2 personally because battery life is quite important to me in a portable device of most any kind. Reviews show it has fantastic battery life (meaning the G2) and I doubt seriously - considering the size of the battery in the Nexus 5 - that the Nexus 5 will get anywhere near what the G2 is proving quite capable of.
So, for me the LG G2 would be a no-brainer since we know KitKat will be showing up quite soon since the source is available - we just had a 4.4 build created by houstonn for the LGOG which I happen to have, it's mostly functional but I'm sure soon enough it will be 100% to go.

br0adband said:
Between the two at this exact moment, I'd take the LG G2 personally because battery life is quite important to me in a portable device of most any kind. Reviews show it has fantastic battery life (meaning the G2) and I doubt seriously - considering the size of the battery in the Nexus 5 - that the Nexus 5 will get anywhere near what the G2 is proving quite capable of.
So, for me the LG G2 would be a no-brainer since we know KitKat will be showing up quite soon since the source is available - we just had a 4.4 build created by houstonn for the LGOG which I happen to have, it's mostly functional but I'm sure soon enough it will be 100% to go.
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That was a quick response. Thanks man!
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Agreed. If battery is your main concern and the price is similar, I would choose the G2. Battery isn't that important to me though. All I really need from a phone is a full average day on a single charge and I think I will get that from the N5. I get a full day with my N4 on most days, but I run it conservatively.
I have a G2 now, and I get 2-3 days with the G2 and I get 1-2 days with the Note 3.
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Another possible benefit to the G2 is that has Audience's Earsmart noise cancellation chip. It remains to be seen if the Nexus 5 will have it, but since it would impose extra licensing fees, I'm guessing it's more likely than not that the Nexus 5 won't have it (Google has to cut corners somewhere, to sell the Nexus 5 for a low price).
Audience's noise cancellation chip is by far the best noise cancellation out there. Much better than Qualcomm's native solution Fluence (which the Nexus 4 uses). The Nexus One had the Audience chip and was one of the first phones to use it. I really miss that. I could be in super loud environments and people thought I was at home. The Nexus 4 has been a huge step down in this respect. After the Nexus One, the iPhone 4 used the Audience chip (and of course everyone acted like Apple invented noise cancellation, even though they were late comers to the game). In any case, it got much praise on the iPhone 4. But it has been dropped from the iPhone 5 for Apple's own in house solution and the (very few) critics how pay attention to this have pointed out that it's much worse. These days for the most part it's only Samsung that consistently uses the Audience chip in its top tier phones.
Anyway, I care a lot about call quality, so I'd really like the have the Audience chip again. I'm still waiting to see if it's in the Nexus 5. But if I had to decide now, without knowing, that would definitely be a feature pulling me toward the G2 instead.

I would take the G2 because of the battery life and camera performance ... and I'm saying this while I bought the nexus 5

im lucky that the price is so different!
it would be horribly tough to work it out.
g2 is clearly the better phone. better accu, bigger screen, better camera.
but hell man...nexus5 will have 18 month of Top noth Updates PLUS the Community will blow minds becwuse it will be THE device they All have and develope for. with the g2 you wont have that.
i keep telling people that Not the Hardware is the big Star of the cellphone but the Software is.
So choice is as the Situation is thaaaaat easy for me.

I had both and I'd recommend the Nexus 5 any second. KitKat runs super smooth and I love the looks! I hate the glossy plastic on the G2 and I totally love the soft silky back of the N5. I have been touching it nonstop for the last hour. I might need professional help.

DJ-Tumor said:
im lucky that the price is so different!
it would be horribly tough to work it out.
g2 is clearly the better phone. better accu, bigger screen, better camera.
but hell man...nexus5 will have 18 month of Top noth Updates PLUS the Community will blow minds becwuse it will be THE device they All have and develope for. with the g2 you wont have that.
i keep telling people that Not the Hardware is the big Star of the cellphone but the Software is.
So choice is as the Situation is thaaaaat easy for me.
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+1 in a couple weeks, there'll be some announcement where this cpu is better than etc etc. Hardware gets better all the time but software more or less stays the same and that's what we as users can compete on. Not on the hardware because something will be better in a matter of weeks / months etc.
If having a good community in terms of rom and kernels as well as receiving the newest and latest android on a stock android experience matters to you then a nexus phone is a no Brainer.
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DJ-Tumor said:
im lucky that the price is so different!
it would be horribly tough to work it out.
g2 is clearly the better phone. better accu, bigger screen, better camera.
but hell man...nexus5 will have 18 month of Top noth Updates PLUS the Community will blow minds becwuse it will be THE device they All have and develope for. with the g2 you wont have that.
i keep telling people that Not the Hardware is the big Star of the cellphone but the Software is.
So choice is as the Situation is thaaaaat easy for me.
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I'm still disappointed with the 2300 mah battery, I would have been totally satisfied with a 2600 mah battery...
Better accu? :silly: this forum is filled with Germans , I love when i realize that I'm not the only one who keeps mixing the languages :laugh:

Chad_Petree said:
I'm still disappointed with the 2300 mah battery, I would have been totally satisfied with a 2600 mah battery...
Better accu? :silly: this forum is filled with Germans , I love when i realize that I'm not the only one who keeps mixing the languages :laugh:
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We say Akku in German though

Chad_Petree said:
I'm still disappointed with the 2300 mah battery, I would have been totally satisfied with a 2600 mah battery...
Better accu? :silly: this forum is filled with Germans , I love when i realize that I'm not the only one who keeps mixing the languages :laugh:
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yeah happens.. *smile*
but accumulator is Not wrong either in english i guess....but yeah native english speakers Do say battery All the time.
/edit: but it seems BATTERY seems ok from One can read from others. but be careful with that Information! people are still hyped to the Max with the new device the may get too euphoric about it.

Hard decision but honestly I got burned hard by the Optimus 2X and anyone else who owned that phone would likely agree with me, it was a solid phone but the software support was horrendous (not helped by Nvidia...). The only reason I got the Nexus 4 was the fact it was made by LG which make QUALITY hardware but lack a large software dev team so as the Nexus is done by Google it was a very easy decision . I wouldnt leave the Nexus series so long as it stays at the price point of £300 as the developer community alone is amazing, so many talented developers working on one device we would never get left in the dark.
The G2 is a better device interms of battery life but for me the device size definitely goes past the perfect spot which is the N4 and N5 (width is important!). Would I have paid extra if the N5 had a stepped battery in it, of course I would as I do want longer battery life but I think the N5 will meet my requirement now as its better than the N4! I think the decider for me if they were the same price would be the developer community as I would go for the one with the biggest following, if the G2 can keep up with the N5 in terms of custom rom android versions then it would be fine and I would be tempted but still would need to hold it in the hand as I think its too wide.
Tough call! Would wait till Jan before deciding on the community personally.

I would get Nexus 5. I don't use my phone 8 hours a day and I don't live in the woods so I have access to the charger most of the time.

DJ-Tumor said:
im lucky that the price is so different!
it would be horribly tough to work it out.
g2 is clearly the better phone. better accu, bigger screen, better camera.
but hell man...nexus5 will have 18 month of Top noth Updates PLUS the Community will blow minds becwuse it will be THE device they All have and develope for. with the g2 you wont have that.
i keep telling people that Not the Hardware is the big Star of the cellphone but the Software is.
So choice is as the Situation is thaaaaat easy for me.
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Do you assume that after 18 months Google will no longer update the N5?

mazinya said:
Do you assume that after 18 months Google will no longer update the N5?
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Honestly, after Google said they stopped supporting the Galaxy Nexus I'm not that optimistic either. But it doesn't matter to me since this is a Nexus.

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Do you assume that after 18 months Google will no longer update the N5?
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that is what Google says and seems to be the reason why the samsun nexus does Not get updates any more.
possibly because of Qualcomm being the cpu we may get Lucky to get One Last Update after that 18 month.
only time will tell.
As of what we Do Know now...we should shot expect Updates after the 18 month.

eksasol said:
Honestly, after Google said they stopped supporting the Galaxy Nexus I'm not that optimistic either. But it doesn't matter to me since this is a Nexus.
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DJ-Tumor said:
that is what Google says and seems to be the reason why the samsun nexus does Not get updates any more.
possibly because of Qualcomm being the cpu we may get Lucky to get One Last Update after that 18 month.
only time will tell.
As of what we Do Know now...we should shot expect Updates after the 18 month.
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Google did say the reason that the Gnex will no longer get updates... Im not a fortune teller but I think Qualcomm will survive more than 18 months.
Either way, once I see that the N5 will stop getting updates, that will be the moment when I root my phone.

mazinya said:
Google did say the reason that the Gnex will no longer get updates... Im not a fortune teller but I think Qualcomm will survive more than 18 months.
Either way, once I see that the N5 will stop getting updates, that will be the moment when I root my phone.
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What reasons, this is all I see so far: https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/3468085?hl=en
And if its because TI is no longer making the chips, that's not convincing, while I'm no developer, TI OMAP chips are much more open than Qualcomm (which is why they are found in a lot of other opensource linux devices) so even if Google receives no help from TI it should still be easier to release KitKat for it than with a Qualcomm device having to deal with more proprietary codes (one of the reason a Nexus 7 factory image was temporary pulled).
Anyway, what ever the reason its unfounded and here is why: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-nexus/development

Exactly - the reason for the lack of a 4.4 update for the Galaxy Nexus is because TI basically pulled out of ARM chip making and they won't provide support to Google so Google has no choice but to pull out of any potential updates for that particular device.
In time I'm sure you'll see a 4.4+ ROM appear soon enough for the Galaxy Nexus. Hell, if old devices like the Galaxy S can run 4.3 (and it does, surprisingly well, probably will run 4.4 too without a problem) you can be positive that 4.4 will make it's way to the Galaxy Nexus soon enough.
But it's not Google that pulled the plug for that update, it was Texas Instruments...

Anyone come from a Moto X?

As the title suggests, i'm just curious how many people came from the Moto X or have both phones.
I have been using a Moto X for 3 weeks now and my Nexus 5 will be here soon (hopefully) so I was wondering how they compare mostly in terms of battery life or anything else that you guys think is worth mentioning.
Thanks in advance

I did . I just got my nexus 5 today and all i can say is that I love this phone. Too soon to tell about the battery life, but its pretty good so far. I've read in the battery discussion thread that others are having great battery life.
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cc16177 said:
As the title suggests, i'm just curious how many people came from the Moto X or have both phones.
I have been using a Moto X for 3 weeks now and my Nexus 5 will be here soon (hopefully) so I was wondering how they compare mostly in terms of battery life or anything else that you guys think is worth mentioning.
Thanks in advance
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I have both. I've been pretty disappointed with the N5 thus far. I've only had it for about 8 hours but I'm fairly confident when I say that the Moto X is the vastly superior device.
Things I don't like about the N5 so far-
1. UI of Kit Kat (not the N5's fault but treating it as a whole package). The Moto X (4.2) has a wonderful techie theme to it and 4.4 has all but done away with it.
2. Hangouts for SMS (who's idea was this? Fire them)
3. The screen- Washed out colors, poor black levels, bad viewing angles when viewed from certain angles. It's passable, and better when you don't compare it to any other device, but I will take the Moto X's screen over this one any day of the week.
4. Battery life *seems* mediocre at best, but I need to give it a week before I can truly comment on it. I unplugged it at 100% 30 minutes ago and it's already down to 96% and I haven't even touched it. By contrast, I'd have at least 3 hours off charger and 15-20 minutes of solid screen time by the time it hit 96% on the Moto X.
5. Physical feel of the phone/lack of heft- it feels like a fragile, empty shell. Almost like a store mockup that just so happens to work. The Moto X on the other hand, is the best feeling phone I've ever held.
I'm sure I'll come up with more but these are just my initial thoughts.

_MetalHead_ said:
I have both. I've been pretty disappointed with the N5 thus far. I've only had it for about 8 hours but I'm fairly confident when I say that the Moto X is the vastly superior device.
Things I don't like about the N5 so far-
1. UI of Kit Kat (not the N5's fault but treating it as a whole package). The Moto X (4.2) has a wonderful techie theme to it and 4.4 has all but done away with it.
2. Hangouts for SMS (who's idea was this? Fire them)
3. The screen- Washed out colors, poor black levels, bad viewing angles when viewed from certain angles. It's passable, and better when you don't compare it to any other device, but I will take the Moto X's screen over this one any day of the week.
4. Battery life *seems* mediocre at best, but I need to give it a week before I can truly comment on it. I unplugged it at 100% 30 minutes ago and it's already down to 96% and I haven't even touched it. By contrast, I'd have at least 3 hours off charger and 15-20 minutes of solid screen time by the time it hit 96% on the Moto X.
5. Physical feel of the phone/lack of heft- it feels like a fragile, empty shell. Almost like a store mockup that just so happens to work. The Moto X on the other hand, is the best feeling phone I've ever held.
I'm sure I'll come up with more but these are just my initial thoughts.
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Damn bro. I remember u calling sick for this. I think I'm definitely staying with my G2. I have a nexus 5 coming Wednesday and I'm gonna sell it as soon as it arrives.
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Here are my G2 battery stats that I took this morning
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schwartz.matthew.e said:
This is very interesting. I want a moto x more and more every day lol. What carrier are you with?
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AT&T.
barondebxl said:
Damn bro. I remember u calling sick for this. I think I'm definitely staying with my G2. I have a nexus 5 coming Wednesday and I'm gonna sell it as soon as it arrives. Here is my G2 battery stat, took a screen shot this morning
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Yeah, I was really excited to get it but was disappointed by it within the first hour. Sorta wish I went into work today, lost a few hundred bucks from taking the day off.
Another thing I forgot to add to the list are ACTIVE NOTIFICATIONS. I can't tell you guys how many times I pulled my N5 from my pocket today only to be incredibly frustrated that I had to actually turn on my phone to see who texted me. Seriously, who uses the power button anymore? Neanderthals. lol

I like Moto Droid Maxx and Droid Ultra :3 it look very nice :3

_MetalHead_ said:
AT&T.
Yeah, I was really excited to get it but was disappointed by it within the first hour. Sorta wish I went into work today, lost a few hundred bucks from taking the day off.
Another thing I forgot to add to the list are ACTIVE NOTIFICATIONS. I can't tell you guys how many times I pulled my N5 from my pocket today only to be incredibly frustrated that I had to actually turn on my phone to see who texted me. Seriously, who uses the power button anymore? Neanderthals. lol
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Lmao hahhahahah. Looks like the moto x is a beast, many ppl love that phone. It's decided, I'll sell my nexus 5 as soon as it arrives. I'm way too spoiled by G2 battery life.
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I got hold of a N5 today too, much like Metal I'm coming from a Moto X and I hate to say it with the exception of the KitKat changes which will come to the X anyway so I'll call that a wash I agree with him on nearly all counts.
The form factor and the battery life are the two biggest things for me. The X just feels so incredible in hand it's spoiling all these larger phones, at least for me. The speaker on the N5 is also far, far worse than the X and thus far the battery life isn't close though it's still on a first charge so I'll wait and see. Going to use it for a day or two and see how it holds up with regular use.

barondebxl said:
Lmao hahhahahah. Looks like the moto x is a beast, many ppl love that phone. It's decided, I'll sell my nexus 5 as soon as it arrives. I'm way too spoiled by G2 battery life.
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Why not just return it? I've been watching ebay out of curiosity and some people are paying more but when you factor in ebay and PayPal fees, they are losing money.

I like nothing about g2 except battery life. I love my nexus it's a perfect phone pure aosp roms and kernel and new dialer is sick. 4.4 is out of this world perfect phone
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barondebxl said:
Lmao hahhahahah. Looks like the moto x is a beast, many ppl love that phone. It's decided, I'll sell my nexus 5 as soon as it arrives. I'm way too spoiled by G2 battery life.
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Yeah man, the Moto X is hands down the best phone I've ever owned. And I have had every flagship Android device on Sprint and quite a few on AT&T. The X is the only phone that I have had no desire to flash a custom ROM on. Just made a few mods with GravityBox and it is perfect. Definitely NOT getting rid of it for the N5. I'll probably still keep the N5 just because, but the X will remain my primary phone until the X2 comes out.

I'll sell it locally on craigslist.
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I'll sell it locally on craigslist.
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Only way to do it! I sell all my old devices on Craigslist. It's a godsend.

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Only way to do it! I sell all my old devices on Craigslist. It's a godsend.
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Yep. And I live in the DC area and craigslist is pretty busy here so hopefully it shouldn't be too hard. I won't even unbox it to see how it look. I might get a moto x as a secondary device, way too many great feedback for me to over look it.
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Can't speak to battery life yet, but...
Nexus 5 looks better.
Nexus 5 feels much sturdier.
I can see why some people (especially females) might find the N5 too big, but to me, the N5 fits better in my hand. I'm convinced it is the increased bezel at the bottom that makes it easier to use the navigation buttons when holding it.
Nexus 5 screen looks so much better than the cartoony, over-saturated AMOLED screen of the Moto X.
Nexus 5 is smoother, less laggy, more buttery all around.
Nexus 5 camera is much better, even after the Moto X update.
Nexus 5 has KitKat now; with Motorola's track record, there is no telling when the Moto X will get the 4.4 update. GNex was released with ICS 4.0, while the Moto RAZR was released as "ICS upgradeable." It took what, nine months?
The only things that the Moto X wins in are...
Active Notifications is a pretty great feature. It needed improvement (more interaction than open or dismiss), but it is better than just an LED indicator.
Shake twice for camera. I enjoyed that.
Unless the Nexus 5 battery is just horrendous--i.e. 2.5 hours of screen-on time, like the GNex--it is clearly the superior device. I would take the Nexus 5 hands down at an even price. The facts that the Nexus 5 is much cheaper, it is unlocked on AT&T, and it will have much more development makes it seem like a silly question to even consider the Moto X. Maybe if I had kid hands?
tl; dr: Nexus 5 wins by a long shot.

I am currently debating between these two phones. I really like the active notifications feature I have heard about on the Moto X, but not sure if that alone would justify the price difference to me. I am fine with the battery life on my N4, so if the N5 battery is similar it won't matter to me that the Moto X is better in that regard. I like the performance I have seen from the N5, but from what I understand the Moto X is silky smooth even with a weaker processor.
I am most curious though how the wake-by-voice / touchless controls compares between the two. Can anybody who has used both compare those at all? Are they the same? Is the Moto X slightly better (if so, how)? Is the Nexus 5 slightly better (again if so, how)?
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I have both. I've been pretty disappointed with the N5 thus far. I've only had it for about 8 hours but I'm fairly confident when I say that the Moto X is the vastly superior device.
Things I don't like about the N5 so far-
1. UI of Kit Kat (not the N5's fault but treating it as a whole package). The Moto X (4.2) has a wonderful techie theme to it and 4.4 has all but done away with it.
2. Hangouts for SMS (who's idea was this? Fire them)
3. The screen- Washed out colors, poor black levels, bad viewing angles when viewed from certain angles. It's passable, and better when you don't compare it to any other device, but I will take the Moto X's screen over this one any day of the week.
4. Battery life *seems* mediocre at best, but I need to give it a week before I can truly comment on it. I unplugged it at 100% 30 minutes ago and it's already down to 96% and I haven't even touched it. By contrast, I'd have at least 3 hours off charger and 15-20 minutes of solid screen time by the time it hit 96% on the Moto X.
5. Physical feel of the phone/lack of heft- it feels like a fragile, empty shell. Almost like a store mockup that just so happens to work. The Moto X on the other hand, is the best feeling phone I've ever held.
I'm sure I'll come up with more but these are just my initial thoughts.
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Wow....I also have both devices, and you've summed up my thoughts perfectly. I do like the Nexus 5 and plan on using both phones regularly, but the screen being washed out irritates me, especially since the Nexus 4 had the same well known problem. Battery life also is on par with yours; I had an HTC One as well and the battery was also nothing to write home about. Maybe its just 1080p phones in general.

ZaelFaroe said:
I am most curious though how the wake-by-voice / touchless controls compares between the two. Can anybody who has used both compare those at all? Are they the same? Is the Moto X slightly better (if so, how)? Is the Nexus 5 slightly better (again if so, how)?
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Nexus 5 (and all other 4.4 android phones) will need to be powered on before they can start listening.
Moto X is the ONLY phone that allows you to do it while the screen is off.

ZaelFaroe said:
I am currently debating between these two phones. I really like the active notifications feature I have heard about on the Moto X, but not sure if that alone would justify the price difference to me. I am fine with the battery life on my N4, so if the N5 battery is similar it won't matter to me that the Moto X is better in that regard. I like the performance I have seen from the N5, but from what I understand the Moto X is silky smooth even with a weaker processor.
I am most curious though how the wake-by-voice / touchless controls compares between the two. Can anybody who has used both compare those at all? Are they the same? Is the Moto X slightly better (if so, how)? Is the Nexus 5 slightly better (again if so, how)?
Thanks
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The Nexus 5 is smoother. This isn't even close. The Moto X can get laggy. I've only had the Nexus 5 for 24 hours, but it has shown zero signs of lag. The Moto X showed signs within the first ten minutes.
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Nexus 5 (and all other 4.4 android phones) will need to be powered on before they can start listening.
Moto X is the ONLY phone that allows you to do it while the screen is off.
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That being said, the Moto X's always-on listening is vastly overrated. For one, the "Okay, Google Now" command screws up all the time. More often than not, the "Now" part shows up as part of the command being issued when the speech is converted to text. So, for example, when I say "Okay, Google Now. Call John." instead of calling John, it does a Google search for "Now call John." I'd say the Moto X has a 15-20% accuracy when speaking to it from the off position. Remember the commercial where they say "Okay Google Now, play [insert track name]?" Give it a shot. I tried 15-20 times, and it never worked. On top of all of this inaccuracy, there is a several second delay between issuing the command and the phone actually recognizing the speech and processing. The real killer is that it is supposed to be trained to your voice, but it obviously lacks the technology to really do so. Therefore, the voice commands that can be issued with a secure lock screen are very limited. If you have a secure lock screen, this feature is useless.
With the Nexus 5, yes, the phone does have to be on to issue a command, but it works. So far, my Nexus 5 has always recognized my command first try. It converts my speech to text more accurately than I thought possible. Coming from the Moto X, I noticed a huge difference here, and I was very pleasantly surprised.
So, sure, the always-listening function on the Moto X would be cool, but it simply doesn't work within any acceptable range of accuracy. I would much rather turn on my phone and have it register my command first try than have to issue the command three times only to give up and do the task manually.

First Impressions of the a9

Alright....first off this is 100% opinion and my specific experience so yours may be different. I doubt it though lol. So this is my second day with the a9 and let me say I am pleasantly surprised. I was extremely sceptical when HTC dropped the specs on it. I've been a die hard HTC fan for the last 10 years and I was upset when they announced the a9 because I feared I'd have to go to another company from my m8 ( which is still a great device my usb port was acting up though). After seeing reviews though and realizing that expandable memory is a deal breaker for me I went for the a9. First impressions after a few hours was the phone was quick! A lot smoother then my m8 and that was overclocked. I really thing this 617 is fantastic. I hadn't had an ounce of lag and I've stressed it out pretty good. Mixed with 6.0 it's a dream to use. I'm grasping for reasons to pick this thing up. The screen is vibrant and I love the gorilla glass taper on all sides. The build quality is typical HTC, fantastic. Camera is by far the best HTC camera I have used as far as I can remember. Now on to the big question, the battery. I can tell you there's no need to worry about it. Marshmallows enhancements mixed with this greatly efficient 617 is getting me better battery performance then my m8. Went to work yesterday with the phone at 48% and came home 9 hours later with it at 22 and that's while it was doing the initial boot up and install of allllllllll my apps and normal usage. The. Got home charged it exptreamly fast and used the hell out of it for hours. Then went to bed and left it off the charger to test doze. Man does that work. It dropped maybe 2% in 7 hours. Sorry for making this a long posts but I just want people to enjoy this device as much as I am. This is by far worth the 399 and without a doubt the 499 tag. I could even say it's worth more then that.

Thank catches could share with GSAM battery Batery,thank you very much!
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Thanks for sharing, makes me more excited than ever to get mine

thanks for the info Cameron.
BTW, where did you pick it up? It seems like most of us are still waiting on their orders shipping.

eelpout said:
thanks for the info Cameron.
BTW, where did you pick it up? It seems like most of us are still waiting on their orders shipping.
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It's strait from AT&T. I pre-ordered the 1st and they said it ships the 5th. I ended up getting it the 3rd. Kind of unfortunate HTC should have sent theirs first seeing you had to pay full price. But I guess att already had their stock. Maybe HTC got more pre orders then expected?

cameron1292 said:
It's strait from AT&T. I pre-ordered the 1st and they said it ships the 5th. I ended up getting it the 3rd. Kind of unfortunate HTC should have sent theirs first seeing you had to pay full price. But I guess att already had their stock. Maybe HTC got more pre orders then expected?
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hmm, i imagine AT&T wanted first dibs in their U.S. sales agreement with HTC.

Yea that's probably it. Hopefully you all get yours soon. I'm really anxious to get this rooted and throw aosp rom on here and see how much more efficient this phone can be. Sense is already almost non existent. Give me the HTC camera and gallery apk and I'll be fine.

cameron1292 said:
Alright....first off this is 100% opinion and my specific experience so yours may be different. I doubt it though lol. So this is my second day with the a9 and let me say I am pleasantly surprised. I was extremely sceptical when HTC dropped the specs on it. I've been a die hard HTC fan for the last 10 years and I was upset when they announced the a9 because I feared I'd have to go to another company from my m8 ( which is still a great device my usb port was acting up though). After seeing reviews though and realizing that expandable memory is a deal breaker for me I went for the a9. First impressions after a few hours was the phone was quick! A lot smoother then my m8 and that was overclocked. I really thing this 617 is fantastic. I hadn't had an ounce of lag and I've stressed it out pretty good. Mixed with 6.0 it's a dream to use. I'm grasping for reasons to pick this thing up. The screen is vibrant and I love the gorilla glass taper on all sides. The build quality is typical HTC, fantastic. Camera is by far the best HTC camera I have used as far as I can remember. Now on to the big question, the battery. I can tell you there's no need to worry about it. Marshmallows enhancements mixed with this greatly efficient 617 is getting me better battery performance then my m8. Went to work yesterday with the phone at 48% and came home 9 hours later with it at 22 and that's while it was doing the initial boot up and install of allllllllll my apps and normal usage. The. Got home charged it exptreamly fast and used the hell out of it for hours. Then went to bed and left it off the charger to test doze. Man does that work. It dropped maybe 2% in 7 hours. Sorry for making this a long posts but I just want people to enjoy this device as much as I am. This is by far worth the 399 and without a doubt the 499 tag. I could even say it's worth more then that.
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Hi Cameron,
Thanks for your note, not too long at all I enjoyed reading your first impressions, If anything of note comes up that might be of interest please follow up, Cheers!!!

gheymann said:
Hi Cameron,
Thanks for your note, not too long at all I enjoyed reading your first impressions, If anything of note comes up that might be of interest please follow up, Cheers!!!
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Sure thing I'll update with whatever I find. One thing I've seen today is I've been really using it. I have off of work and I've been on YouTube and browsing the web. A lottttt of whatsapp messaging for hours and it does drain fast with heavy usage. I'd say with constant usage all day it lasted about 6 hours before it dropped to 20%. Way more usage then you normally would do.I usually switch to my tablet when I'm home anyway, but I've wanted to test this out. When it hit 20 though I plugged it in, did some dishes and made lunch and it was back up to 79 lol so it makes up for it. Can't wait to see quick charge 3.0

cameron1292 said:
Sure thing I'll update with whatever I find. One thing I've seen today is I've been really using it. I have off of work and I've been on YouTube and browsing the web. A lottttt of whatsapp messaging for hours and it does drain fast with heavy usage. I'd say with constant usage all day it lasted about 6 hours before it dropped to 20%. Way more usage then you normally would do.I usually switch to my tablet when I'm home anyway, but I've wanted to test this out. When it hit 20 though I plugged it in, did some dishes and made lunch and it was back up to 79 lol so it makes up for it. Can't wait to see quick charge 3.0
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How does it compare to the M8 when using it one-handed? I've seen reports that claim it's more and less slippery.

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How does it compare to the M8 when using it one-handed? I've seen reports that claim it's more and less slippery.
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One handed use is fine. It is slippery though. Not any more then my m8 but I think because of the size. It's a lot thinner. Had to get a case today and I'm not a case person. Never had the m8 in one . Only cases online were weird brands so I picked up a casemate from att. Nice actually it's see through and very thin it's mainly for a grip and small falls which is what I like.

cameron1292 said:
Sure thing I'll update with whatever I find. One thing I've seen today is I've been really using it. I have off of work and I've been on YouTube and browsing the web. A lottttt of whatsapp messaging for hours and it does drain fast with heavy usage. I'd say with constant usage all day it lasted about 6 hours before it dropped to 20%. Way more usage then you normally would do.I usually switch to my tablet when I'm home anyway, but I've wanted to test this out. When it hit 20 though I plugged it in, did some dishes and made lunch and it was back up to 79 lol so it makes up for it. Can't wait to see quick charge 3.0
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Thanks for the thoughtful review. I find I have similar battery experience with my M9. If I'm using it a lot, the battery drains very fast (similar to your experience with the A9 today). If usage is light it lasts a long time. Anyway, I'm looking forward to playing with the A9 myself (hopefully shipping tomorrow?).

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Thanks for the thoughtful review. I find I have similar battery experience with my M9. If I'm using it a lot, the battery drains very fast (similar to your experience with the A9 today). If usage is light it lasts a long time. Anyway, I'm looking forward to playing with the A9 myself (hopefully shipping tomorrow?).
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Yea I think tomorrow I'll run it with saver on and see if there's any lag and what performance I get. I also didn't mention the fingerprint scanner. I always thought they felt gimicky. This one doesn't. Its stupid fast. I love the feature of it not being a button just tap it with the screen off and it unlocks everything.

Rooting an A9
Received an A9 today. Lovely phone. Is there any information available on rooting the device? Is it too soon, or is there some general procedure? Would like to give CyanogenMod a try sometime soon.

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Received an A9 today. Lovely phone. Is there any information available on rooting the device? Is it too soon, or is there some general procedure? Would like to give CyanogenMod a try sometime soon.
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I'd love to know. I don't think there is yet. I know HTC is very open this go around with rooting though. I'd love a stock Android rom with HTC camera apk OT would get even better performance. I'll post a picture later of my battery stats today they are fantastic

Unplugged at 830 this morning. At work all day being used and 13+ hours later not too shabby. Better then my m8 for sure. Not as good as something with a 3K mah phone but it's not bad at all.
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I went to at&t today to play with it. Very responsive compared to my m9. Design is 100% iphone. No ambient display though. Not worth the $500 tag they want but if tmobile had it id consider financing. I do like the fact its very slimmed down sense. Almost aosp feel and look. Htc should of kept the price at $399.

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I went to at&t today to play with it. Very responsive compared to my m9. Design is 100% iphone. No ambient display though. Not worth the $500 tag they want but if tmobile had it id consider financing. I do like the fact its very slimmed down sense. Almost aosp feel and look. Htc should of kept the price at $399.
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Maybe if you had it for a few days. I think it's worth 500 considering the build quality and the parts used inside are high quality. Not to mention the surprisingly good battery. But Yea I wouldn't pay 500 strait up I'm doing next with att

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Maybe if you had it for a few days. I think it's worth 500 considering the build quality and the parts used inside are high quality. Not to mention the surprisingly good battery. But Yea I wouldn't pay 500 strait up I'm doing next with att
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I'll admit it was speedy, no lag but the 617 is still midrange. I'd also assume the at&T model has a unlockable bootloader. Most of the YouTube reviews claim the battery life terrible so we shall see. If one pops up on swappa or craigslist for $300 I'd buy it.

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I'll admit it was speedy, no lag but the 617 is still midrange. I'd also assume the at&T model has a unlockable bootloader. Most of the YouTube reviews claim the battery life terrible so we shall see. If one pops up on swappa or craigslist for $300 I'd buy it.
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Yea I noticed that every review was different I mean you see the picture I posted I got good performance yesterday. I think when I went to bed I was at 18 hours. And I use my phone. But some reviews said it sucked. Some reviews said sound sucked too . It's not as stereo as my m8 but louder and clearer I think. 300 would be a good price. I want to get this rooted and tinker with the 617

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