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People need to stop whining about dual core...

You guys who complain constantly that the Thunderbolt isn't running a dual core processor need to just stop and realize that software follows hardware development by months and years. That means that even if the TB HAD a dual core processor, not only would Gingerbread not be able to fully utilize it, but none of the software available in the market would know what to do with dual cores either.
When dual cores came out for PC systems, Windows XP wasn't even capable of using more than one core. They had to put out a new OS, Vista - which sucks - and then service patch the hell out of XP for it to take advantage of the dual core systems. Hell, Windows didn't even natively support Hyperthreading when Intel first announced it, it also took a huge patch to be recognized and dealt with by the XP Operating System.
All you guys complaining about not having dual cores in HTC phones should be THANKING HTC for giving us the most stable and best hardware on the market... No, they aren't "bleeding edge" like Samsung, but lets be honest here... How many Android users do you know who own any number of HTC phones, and how many do you know who are either not happy with, or returned their Samsung phones? I love the Droid 1, and don't get me wrong, the Droid Bionic looks like one badass phone, but I'll stick with HTC and stability any day over bleeding edge features that might not work for months because of the software not being able to keep up with the hardware changes.
Again, Gingerbread does NOT have the capability to take full advantage of dual core processors yet, so stop worrying about it, and just be happy with the fact that they are still producing phones for us that work, that people are pleased with, and don't get returned because of a ****ty UI or sluggish response compared to another phone. I dunno about you guys, but I'm getting a Thunderbolt on release day, and in three months, I'll upgrade another line to the next HTC release, and three months after that, and so on until I've replaced all 5 of my lines with brand spankin new HTC phones. Screw the lockdown on Moto phones - and even if the Bionic isn't locked down, it will still have Motoblur (read: failsauce) - and the crappy UI and toyish feel of Samsung phones... HTC is always on the forefront of Android development... and for everything they've given us in the Eris, the Incredible, and now the Thunderbolt, we should be a bit more appreciative.
Feel free to complain about the battery life, cuz yeah... it sucks.

What incentive do you have for upgrading if you already contain one of the countless other android phones that were released in the last year with
A 1ghz processor
<3.7inch screen 800x480
5/8mp HDR rear cam
VGA/1.3 mp ffc
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Including the DINC
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Better processor, better gpu, more ram, LTE.

karnovaran said:
Better processor, better gpu, more ram, LTE.
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Theres other phones with the same cpu and gpu releaaed in the past year, the DHD for example.
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Well yeah, but the DHD isn't available to Verizon users. The comparable for most of us is the Incredible and the Thunderbolt IS an upgrade, despite misconceptions about its processor.

The thunderbolt is an upgrade if:
A) you have a DInc but you're in one of 38 lte marketplaces
B) you have an eris
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A_Flying_Fox said:
The thunderbolt is an upgrade if:
A) you have a DInc but you're in one of 38 lte marketplaces
B) you have an eris
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and C) you're wife just dropped her D1 and broke the screen, and now you have to give her your Droid Incredible. heh.
I can pretty much guarantee an upgrade yearly thanks to her butterfingers...

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A) you have a DInc but you're in one of 38 lte marketplaces
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A lot of us are in those markets.

Hoping to ditch my Eris as soon as this comes out. Hopefully they'll offer an early upgrade option since my contract doesn't expire until May. Still, that wouldn't be too long to wait. Here's hoping I don't get screwed with extra 4G prices since I won't be in any of those 2011 markets, and I only want a 1-year contract for this puppy.
Since the LTE functionality has it's own SIM, it could be removed if the user didn't want LTE and then VZW wouldn't need to charge extra for 4G. Of course, all of this would depend on VZW not being greedy and not following the Sprint's example... which is pretty unlikely, I guess.

LTE is the reason for change. As for XP... It handles multiple cores just fine, op.
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Casshern said:
LTE is the reason for change. As for XP... It handles multiple cores just fine, op.
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it handles multi cores fine now..
Not when it came out which is entirely his point.

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it handles multi cores fine now..
Not when it came out which is entirely his point.
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This, exactly.
I'm still rocking my G1 that I got almost two years ago with T-Mo. Contract is up mid-Feb. I can't WAIT to hop on VZW with the Thunderbolt.

Well, I am rockin the Eris still, can upgrade in March, and I'm stuck between ThunderBolt, LG Revolution, and Samsung's no-name. I'm just disappointed because the ThunderBolt is essentially an Evo. So in the like 9 months since that was released, has HTC not made any advances? That's what's most upsetting to me, you know?

Totally. I have noticed every phone worth caring about for the last 6 months at least have had 4.3" screens. The last 4 or so HTC phones have been basically the same hardware. I understand the draw of the huge screen but I'm 5'2" so... HTC please give me thunderbolt specs in Eris / Nexus size >.<
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gee7201 said:
I'm just disappointed because the ThunderBolt is essentially an Evo. So in the like 9 months since that was released, has HTC not made any advances? That's what's most upsetting to me, you know?
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That would be upsetting if it were true. Luckily it's not.

Not all processors are created equal. The 1ghz processor is not the same 1ghz processor as the incredible (google pipelining). I think the incredible has a version 1 snapdragon and the thunderbolt is a version 3.
As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have sense with a single core than blur with a million cores!
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I love you OP.

To the person that said they were waiting on the Samsung with no name. A little advice, save yourself because that phone will start off an entire OS version behind. And it won't even be samsungs flagship device as far as we know ATM. so it will likely never even get gingerbread. And even if it is a flagship device from them, look at the entire US galaxy s line. All five of them are "flagship" type devices. Question. Do they even have froyo. Answer. NO! I wasted almost $600 on that POS fascinate. That is actually a nice phone just doesn't have froyo. So don't waste any more time with Samsung. I think we, as paying customers needto make sure they pay a price for their disloyalty(word?).
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I have an eris. Every once in awhile I go on craigslist and search for stuff for sale. Found a like new Droid X with case for $200. They go for 300+ on ebay. Dude wants an iPhone I'll be picking it up on the 31st....already got the MEID from him and checked it with verizon.
I'm gonna use that for a few months and see what develops in LTE. I've seen rumors that Moto has been modifying Blur to make it less intrusive, more like vanilla. Should be able to get 200-250 for the DX ina few months.
I like the RAM increase in the Thunderbolt (can also OC) vs the Bionic. And, though still speculative since they aren't out, the TB should be easier to root and install custom roms.
Is the atrix the only upcoming phone with 1GB of ram? I can't find anything on the revolution.
The samsung is weird looking.

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Hey guys,
I have been debating on if i want to get the charge (when it drops) or hold off for something else.
I have the fascinate and I like it but samsung kind of pissed me off with how long it took them to update it to 2.2 froyo, and I am wondering if anyone thinks this is going to happen with the charge.
I mean shouldn't they have released it with gingerbread anyhow?
sure the devs always have our backs but it'd be nice to be assured the company hasn't forgotten about us.
anyone else have these concerns with the charge?

frogdod said:
Hey guys,
I have been debating on if i want to get the charge (when it drops) or hold off for something else.
I have the fascinate and I like it but samsung kind of pissed me off with how long it took them to update it to 2.2 froyo, and I am wondering if anyone thinks this is going to happen with the charge.
I mean shouldn't they have released it with gingerbread anyhow?
sure the devs always have our backs but it'd be nice to be assured the company hasn't forgotten about us.
anyone else have these concerns with the charge?
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if you have a fascinate and dont live in a 4g area there is no reason to get this phone
if you need a 4g phone and want to tie yourself to a 2 year deal save a few bucks (and headaches) and get a bolt or wait on the sgs2

I have the Charge. I had been using the HTC Thunderbolt three weeks prior to my Charge arriving courtesy of Samsung. The Charge is a very good device, comparable to the Thunderbolt. It's considerably llighter in terms of weight but does not feel cheap at all. Don't believe the lame bloggger idiots over at Gizmodo and Engadget that claim the phone should be dual core to be worth the price. The device is just as fast as the Thunderbolt. This phone has the best display than anything I've seen so far. I've owned the OG Droid, Droid X and Thunderbolt, the Droid Charge's display is stunning.
As for size the Charge doesn't feel larger than any other 4.3" device on the market, looks are deceiving. Samsung definitely put some effort in making the Droid Charge the more polished looking device in Verizon's Droid lineup. I've never been a fan of Moto's MotoBlur and was beginning to like HTC's Sense for the brief time I owned the Thunderbolt, but Touchwiz is a nicely designed UI, not as intrusion to the Android experience as I and many others feel MotoBlah is.in my opinion, make your next device The Droid Charge so that the talented people here on XDA Forums have a reason to unleashed the power and potential of the Charge. Only thing I didn't like about the phone was the name. The internal Samsung name for the device was the Stealth. Droid Stealth has a ring to it.
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DRAZY said:
I have the Charge. I had been using the HTC Thunderbolt three weeks prior to my Charge arriving courtesy of Samsung. The Charge is a very good device, comparable to the Thunderbolt. It's considerably llighter in terms of weight but does not feel cheap at all. Don't believe the lame bloggger idiots over at Gizmodo and Engadget that claim the phone should be dual core to be worth the price. The device is just as fast as the Thunderbolt. This phone has the best display than anything I've seen so far. I've owned the OG Droid, Droid X and Thunderbolt, the Droid Charge's display is stunning.
As for size the Charge doesn't feel larger than any other 4.3" device on the market, looks are deceiving. Samsung definitely put some effort in making the Droid Charge the more polished looking device in Verizon's Droid lineup. I've never been a fan of Moto's MotoBlur and was beginning to like HTC's Sense for the brief time I owned the Thunderbolt, but Touchwiz is a nicely designed UI, not as intrusion to the Android experience as I and many others feel MotoBlah is.in my opinion, make your next device The Droid Charge so that the talented people here on XDA Forums have a reason to unleashed the power and potential of the Charge. Only thing I didn't like about the phone was the name. The internal Samsung name for the device was the Stealth. Droid Stealth has a ring to it.
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I agree with everything he said. If you are on Verizon and want a new phone, this is the one to get.

Im just curious has it been said that the galaxy s2 was coming to verizon, cause I thought it was a gsm phone
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As far as I know from my Samsung contacts the Galaxy S II isn't in the lineup for Verizon at least for the time being.
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The Mobile Panda aka Black Man X (if you don't know him look for him on Twitter) as a Verizon employee who tests their phones he has not heard of the SG2 coming to Verizon this year, and also mentioned there is no room for LTE in that thin shell so it would be a 3G phone.
I personally keep bouncing around from 4G to 3G (with a 4G modem I have) phones from going back to the TB to the Charge or holding out for the Bionic etc. Its a tough time right now because nothing truly blows me away in the mobile device world, sad isn't it.
The display on the Charge is simply stunning and for that alone I would get one, the only major concern I have is 512MB of RAM (the 17 BLOATWARE apps Verizon put on will come off immediately giving me back about 250MB or more). Will it be enough to handle some memory intensive apps, I don't want to be limited.
Since the Galaxy S was rooted and it received Cyanogenmod and the TB is in an Alpha stage we could also see CM7 or with luck other ROM/Kernels.
If I do get the Charge I will donate to Devs here so we can get the Fascinate goods on this phone. ROM's are critical and so are the kernels to boost speed and help battery life.

well best of luck to those who buy this

nitsuj17 said:
if you need a 4g phone and want to tie yourself to a 2 year deal save a few bucks (and headaches) and get a bolt or wait on the sgs2
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Why would any Fascinate owner want to spend money on downgrading to a Thunderbolt?
Your "no developers" FUD has already been proven wrong. Enough with trying to herd people.

s44 said:
Why would any Fascinate owner want to spend money on downgrading to a Thunderbolt?
Your "no developers" FUD has already been proven wrong. Enough with trying to herd people.
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my answer would be: dont by either phone unless you live in a 4g area and need one..
wait for anything thats actually a significant upgrade..and yes i know the charge has a nicer screen and hdmi out as well...but to me that does warrant 300 bucks and a 2 year deal
to those that dont care about development and such then yeah i guess this phone is fine...but id bet there will be a rom or two and a voodoo kernel or two but that ll be as far as that goes on this phone...and with the nasty lte ril forget aosp on the level that the fascinate has (which isnt to say the fascinate even has fully working aosp)
and aside from imnuts saying he ll do kernel work if he gets enough donations to get a charge..i havent seen anyone else commit to it
and depends on you define "downgrade" to the bolt...personally i dont want one and have made my reasons why known...but it has a significant amount of development going on..and it can do voice/data on 3g as well..which for many (not me) is a big plus....and the vast majority of fascinate owners who have left for it seem happy
personally im happy with my fascinate until a significant upgrade comes along

^^ What he said. There is no reason to buy the Charge unless you're desperate for 4G. I'll get it and do at least kernel work if I can get enough support to buy one, otherwise, I'd hold off for the SGSII.
If I can get a Charge, I'd attempt to get an AOSP/CM ROM going for it, but given the success that jt1134/kaos have had with it on the Fascinate, I wouldn't expect a fully working ROM ever, unless someone else would get one as well. However, creating deodexed and debloated ROMs would be no issue at all, and I planned on doing that already.

You're da man...thanks

There is no GS2 scheduled for release on Verizon this year. The Charge will more than likely be the flagship Samsung LTE handset for Verizon and followed up by the 7" and 10.1" LTE Galaxy Tabs end of May or early June. With the delay of the Charge release you can almost be certain that it will push back the release of any new LTE handset that was scheduled. Samsung needs to recoup on the R&D/marketing of this phone and Verizon is obligated to make this happen.
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There is no GS2 scheduled for release on Verizon this year. The Charge will more than likely be the flagship Samsung LTE handset for Verizon and followed up by the 7" and 10.1" LTE Galaxy Tabs end of May or early June. With the delay of the Charge release you can almost be certain that it will push back the release of any new LTE handset that was scheduled. Samsung needs to recoup on the R&D/marketing of this phone and Verizon is obligated to make this happen.
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Are you the ceo of verizon? Cud otherwise its tough to say that the sgs2 won't make its way there
Att just is releasing the infuse 4g and the att compatible sgs2 just cleared the fcc....so its not like one can't follow rather quickly
Would the sgs2 vzw variant make it out before august though? Probably not
Look what vzw did with the droid 2 and the droid 2 global and now the bolt and inc 2

Considering how thin the SGS2 is and how tightly packed the internals are it likely won't ship until the next gen of LTE chips are ready. They CDMA + LTE is a fatter phone and the SGS2 is all about thin and sexy, not portly and ugly.
That said EOY could happen, but my money says CES 2012 for Verizon since the Charge is still not out.
Now the Infuse caught my eye today and I have searched for the SGS2 info (I want the SAMOLED+ screen) and a better phone, but not jazzed about AT&T and I have not heard much about AT&T release date.
So for me the money is on the Droid Charge especially given how AT&T is now marketing their BS 4G on the with upgraded backhaul mumbo jumbo.

I'm not the CEO of Verizon but I have reliable contacts at Samsung that have informed of the Verizon product lineup coming from Samsung.
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Not trying to brag but how do you think I was able to score a Droid Charge before the release? My sources are very reliable.
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Everytime I read an article on the gs2 it specs slways say gsm in case you didnt know we over here at verizon are cdma+lte, so I dont see this version coming any time soon, besides I stay in atlanta and were in 4g heaven here. So I couldnt go back to in of those other so called 3gs aka 4g companies
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poloboogie said:
Everytime I read an article on the gs2 it specs slways say gsm in case you didnt know we over here at verizon are cdma+lte, so I dont see this version coming any time soon, besides I stay in atlanta and were in 4g heaven here. So I couldnt go back to in of those other so called 3gs aka 4g companies
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The original SGS was GSM as well, and it came to Verizon via the Fascinate. I'd go with a time frame of Aug/Sept/Oct for the SGSII on VZW. As for "sources inside Samsung", those same sources said the Fascinate would get Froyo OTA in November last year, not April of this year, so I wouldn't trust any source inside Samsung...

ok so i guess no one else is concerned about the charge being updated like i am.
the main debate seems to be whether or not the upgrade from fascinate to charge is worth $300.
so what is different between the two?(besides 4g)
charge has better camera
is that about it? both have 1ghz processor and 512 ram rom
Super AMOLED screens
I live 40min south of San Jose CA
and i don't think the 4g reaches down here
i was totally ready to buy this
but now i am comparing the specs of the two phones i am not sure.
and most the views here seem to be split
either for or against
and maybe one for the thunderbolt.

Captivate to atrix

As above
I'm getting a straight trade +100~
Would out be worth it? Sounds nice......but.....its locked down and still only on froyo :/
Swyped from my gingerfied captivate

What its a straight trade +100~?
If you are getting atrix plus $100 then there is your answer, but if you are throwing in $100 with your captivate then no its not worth it.

Jemack said:
What its a straight trade +100~?
If you are getting atrix plus $100 then there is your answer, but if you are throwing in $100 with your captivate then no its not worth it.
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throwing in 100 with my captivate
can I ask why is it not worth it to you?

droid_does said:
throwing in 100 with my captivate
can I ask why is it not worth it to you?
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I hava an Atrix and a Captivate. I love both phones. He is right though, its not worth it. I would say that you should wait, hold off a few months and wait for the SGS II. AT&T has a variant coming sometime this year, and with the rollout of their LTE network starting this summer, you have to imagine that the SGS II would be a great canidate to be one of their 1st LTE enabled phones (that's personal opinion, not based on any verified info). Aside from that, the performance differences between the two phones is noticable, but not DRASTIC. Having actual, working GPS is nice, and some of the other features are cool, but honestly I would say wait.

10tonhammr said:
I hava an Atrix and a Captivate. I love both phones. He is right though, its not worth it. I would say that you should wait, hold off a few months and wait for the SGS II. AT&T has a variant coming sometime this year, and with the rollout of their LTE network starting this summer, you have to imagine that the SGS II would be a great canidate to be one of their 1st LTE enabled phones (that's personal opinion, not based on any verified info). Aside from that, the performance differences between the two phones is noticable, but not DRASTIC. Having actual, working GPS is nice, and some of the other features are cool, but honestly I would say wait.
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well TBH, I don't really mind about the SoC other than the fact that its a dual and it would be significantly better than the single core that my captivate has.
and I don't live in the states, so I"m not really affected about LTE and such since we don't have LTE or anything where I live.
what I am worried about is the locked bootloader and such cause I can safetly run gingerbread on my captivate, but I won't be able to be on gingerbread once I'm on the atrix and my ROM choices and tweakign and such will be very limited until we can get the bootloader unlocked since motorola is such an ass to lock it.
I'm still debating this....with half of me saying "no" and half of me saying "yes"
does your atrix "feel faster or smoother" compared to the captivate?

droid_does said:
well TBH, I don't really mind about the SoC other than the fact that its a dual and it would be significantly better than the single core that my captivate has.
and I don't live in the states, so I"m not really affected about LTE and such since we don't have LTE or anything where I live.
what I am worried about is the locked bootloader and such cause I can safetly run gingerbread on my captivate, but I won't be able to be on gingerbread once I'm on the atrix and my ROM choices and tweakign and such will be very limited until we can get the bootloader unlocked since motorola is such an ass to lock it.
I'm still debating this....with half of me saying "no" and half of me saying "yes"
does your atrix "feel faster or smoother" compared to the captivate?
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Ahh, then yea all the AT&T stuff is kinda irrelevant, lol. The rom choices out there are minimal due to the bootloader encryption, obviously, but there is a HELL of a lot of working going on to fix that. Don't want to speak too soon but we may be close. Khoulk, tenfar, TBH, and a bunch of others are working on it. The Atrix is faster and smoother, yes, but we still don't even have an ETA for Gingerbread.

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Ahh, then yea all the AT&T stuff is kinda irrelevant, lol. The rom choices out there are minimal due to the bootloader encryption, obviously, but there is a HELL of a lot of working going on to fix that. Don't want to speak too soon but we may be close. Khoulk, tenfar, TBH, and a bunch of others are working on it. The Atrix is faster and smoother, yes, but we still don't even have an ETA for Gingerbread.
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so do you"feel" that my captivate+100 would be a decent deal for a nice more "up to date" phone?
cheers

droid_does said:
so do you"feel" that my captivate+100 would be a decent deal for a nice more "up to date" phone?
cheers
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I have an atrix and since i have bought it i love my cappy more. The only thing better in atrix is GPS from end user perspective. Somebody was right when he mentioned that maybe its a better idea to wait for galaxy S II

watsaa said:
I have an atrix and since i have bought it i love my cappy more. The only thing better in atrix is GPS from end user perspective. Somebody was right when he mentioned that maybe its a better idea to wait for galaxy S II
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If you don't mind....can I ask you why do you like your captivate more?
Thanks
Swyped from my gingerfied captivate

droid_does said:
If you don't mind....can I ask you why do you like your captivate more?
Thanks
Swyped from my gingerfied captivate
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I would check online to see what the going rate for a used captivate is before offering it up + 100 for the Atrix. Compare that to the price for an off-contract atrix and you'll have your answer as to whether or not its a "fair" trade, value wise. Comparing the two phones to each other depends on how much you value aftermarket development. I'm a hardcore themer and that's why I kept my cappy. I haven't released anything for the Atrix yet, and I've had it almost since launch. I was able to get the Atrix through work at no cost, so it was win-win for me. Hardware wise, it is superior (except for the screen. Super Am. beats out the qhd 960x540 IMO). Development wise, there's no contest. Cappy is on Gingerbread. End of discussion. Its a trade-off either way. That's why I said wait for the SGS II to become available whereever you're at: dev friendly + hardware that is equal to or bettan than the atrix is almost every way. They're both great phones, IMO... but the SGS II is gonna be even better. And some phone that no one knows about that will be announced 2 months from now will be even better than the SGS II, lol.

10tonhammr said:
I would check online to see what the going rate for a used captivate is before offering it up + 100 for the Atrix. Compare that to the price for an off-contract atrix and you'll have your answer as to whether or not its a "fair" trade, value wise. Comparing the two phones to each other depends on how much you value aftermarket development. I'm a hardcore themer and that's why I kept my cappy. I haven't released anything for the Atrix yet, and I've had it almost since launch. I was able to get the Atrix through work at no cost, so it was win-win for me. Hardware wise, it is superior (except for the screen. Super Am. beats out the qhd 960x540 IMO). Development wise, there's no contest. Cappy is on Gingerbread. End of discussion. Its a trade-off either way. That's why I said wait for the SGS II to become available whereever you're at: dev friendly + hardware that is equal to or bettan than the atrix is almost every way. They're both great phones, IMO... but the SGS II is gonna be even better. And some phone that no one knows about that will be announced 2 months from now will be even better than the SGS II, lol.
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going rate for the captivate is around 300~ but then the atrix goes for alot more as well........
Maybe I should just wait longer for more dual core phones.....?
Swyped from my gingerfied captivate

I definitely wouldn't do it - the Captivate just has so much more to offer with a thriving developer community. The Atrix is supposedly on the verge of being rooted, but it will likely take awhile for things to really boom (and there's no telling when the root will even be successful). I have a few friends with the Atrix, and while it looks to be a decent phone, most complain about battery life and call quality.
I'm no fanboy - I'd jump ship from the Captivate tomorrow if the price was right and hardware/software looked to be legit, but right now the Captivate feels like one of the best possible phones a regular user and geek can have.

Syntax3600 said:
I definitely wouldn't do it - the Captivate just has so much more to offer with a thriving developer community. The Atrix is supposedly on the verge of being rooted, but it will likely take awhile for things to really boom (and there's no telling when the root will even be successful). I have a few friends with the Atrix, and while it looks to be a decent phone, most complain about battery life and call quality.
I'm no fanboy - I'd jump ship from the Captivate tomorrow if the price was right and hardware/software looked to be legit, but right now the Captivate feels like one of the best possible phones a regular user and geek can have.
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The devs have already rooted the phone I think. They are trying to unlock the bootloader.
Don't do it OP. After messing around on an Atrix for awhile, it is a good phone but feels a little finnicky.
A captivate on GB feels a lot smoother than a stock Froyo Atrix IMO.

My opinion you would be paying for a downgrade
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Syntax3600 said:
I definitely wouldn't do it - the Captivate just has so much more to offer with a thriving developer community. The Atrix is supposedly on the verge of being rooted, but it will likely take awhile for things to really boom (and there's no telling when the root will even be successful). I have a few friends with the Atrix, and while it looks to be a decent phone, most complain about battery life and call quality.
I'm no fanboy - I'd jump ship from the Captivate tomorrow if the price was right and hardware/software looked to be legit, but right now the Captivate feels like one of the best possible phones a regular user and geek can have.
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its already rooted....only thign missing is the bootloader's still locked
KTownGT said:
The devs have already rooted the phone I think. They are trying to unlock the bootloader.
Don't do it OP. After messing around on an Atrix for awhile, it is a good phone but feels a little finnicky.
A captivate on GB feels a lot smoother than a stock Froyo Atrix IMO.
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"finnicky"? don't get me wrong
I'm running CM7 and have tried other gingerbread ROM's on my captivate
but I kill the battery so fast and it slows to a halt once I try to multi task with browsing and stuff
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My opinion you would be paying for a downgrade
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why would I be paying for a downgrade?
can you describe in more detail please if you don't mind

I'm digging the front facing camera, the working GPS, and the resolution bump.
The atrix doesn't run as hot when playing games (my backplate used to burn me) or when running GPS and the battery last considerably longer.
What do you do on your phone? If you read more news and the like, the screen is great. If you watch more movies on your phone, then you might like the sammy screen better.
The fingerprint reader is nifty as well.
I am weary of samsung's gps on the infuse and the SGS II so I will steer clear..

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I'm digging the front facing camera, the working GPS, and the resolution bump.
The atrix doesn't run as hot when playing games (my backplate used to burn me) or when running GPS and the battery last considerably longer.
What do you do on your phone? If you read more news and the like, the screen is great. If you watch more movies on your phone, then you might like the sammy screen better.
The fingerprint reader is nifty as well.
I am weary of samsung's gps on the infuse and the SGS II so I will steer clear..
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I do a mix of both.....
I think i've decided....atrix it is.....now just to wait for the other party to finalize the deal

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I do a mix of both.....
I think i've decided....atrix it is.....now just to wait for the other party to finalize the deal
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In the end it's your decision. The only way you can really go wrong is if you went to the extremely locked down iphone. Enjoy your new atrix my friend.

don't do it! I have a captivate and I just bought an atrix for $300 and was planning on selling my captivate. But after using the atrix for a couple of days I decided to sell the atrix instead. It is just a bad user experience. Mainly because of the screen and the lack of response. Whenever I would use the slider to slide through contacts, it would lose track of my finger and call someone on accident. Also it is an eyesore to look at when you are scrolling.

which phone would be the best to get?

so i am coming from sprint with a Samsung Epic 4g (we dont have 4g in des moines ia) and well i have to get a phone on the 16th and the phones i am lookin at are
Samsung droid charge,HTC thunderbolt , and the Motorola droid x2
and im wondering which phone would be the best to get? i dont think 4g matters as there is no 4g here and i mostly use my phone for emulators,email,IM,texting,and alot of web, what would be the best phone to get? i dont take pics and well i never use video chat before for a front facing cam on my epic
what phone would u guys choose?
also im a root user and love flashing roms

i mean verzion lol wow

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Ive tried all three i recommend the droid charge
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so i am coming from sprint with a Samsung Epic 4g (we dont have 4g in des moines ia) and well i have to get a phone on the 16th and the phones i am lookin at are
Samsung droid charge,HTC thunderbolt , and the Motorola droid x2
and im wondering which phone would be the best to get? i dont think 4g matters as there is no 4g here and i mostly use my phone for emulators,email,IM,texting,and alot of web, what would be the best phone to get? i dont take pics and well i never use video chat before for a front facing cam on my epic
what phone would u guys choose?
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I'm on Sprint but I work at a Verizon retail store. I've used all the phones. The Droid X2 is not much of any upgrade from the Droid X. It's basically a Droid X without a camera button, and with a dual core CPU. Not really worth it, especially since it has an encrypted bootloader. I really like the Thunderbolt (I have an Evo), but if you're going to play a lot of games, get the Droid Charge. It has the same (or slightly better) CPU that's in the Epic, and the Thunderbolt doesn't quite compare in terms of speed. There's also the LG Revolution, which is Bing'd out, but is still a great phone. Personally, if you're going to be gaming, I say go for the Droid Charge.

i saw that the droid x2 has a duel core and well my epic has the same cpu as the charge is there a BIG speed difference in these phones? even after root and everything clean from crapware?
i saw the charge is 299$ where the droid x2 is 199$ is it rly worth the 100$ to get a single core cpu? i know the screen is bad ass on the charge but i heard the x2 is pretty darn good

Don't forget that there is more to the phone than fancy hardware. Droid X2 might be nice, but it still runs moto blur, a UI that often is rated as one of the worst ones of Android. I personally remember playing around with the original Droid X at the VZW store months back and the model on display was lagging from menu to menu.
Software > Hardware, at least in most cases.

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i saw that the droid x2 has a duel core and well my epic has the same cpu as the charge is there a BIG speed difference in these phones? even after root and everything clean from crapware?
i saw the charge is 299$ where the droid x2 is 199$ is it rly worth the 100$ to get a single core cpu? i know the screen is bad ass on the charge but i heard the x2 is pretty darn good
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I won't lie, the latest version of Motoblur on the Droid X / Droid X2 is not bad at all (though a little laggy on the home screen). But the thing has an encrypted bootloader, which means you can't flash custom kernels, which means your ROM selection will be very limited. Also, the Gingerbread update also introduced something retarded: If you root and try to tether without a tethering plan, you will be redirected to a Verizon page to buy the plan every time you try to load a website.
I haven't used the Droid Charge enough to see differences from the Epic other than they use an orange/brown theme instead of blue on the Epic. Also, the Charge has 4G, so you'll be future-proof. On the other hand, the Droid X2 is dual-core so you'll be future-proofed in terms of performance (Android 2.3 and under don't make use of both cores). I'm really not sure how well it compares, or rather WILL compare against the GPU of the Charge, which is hard to beat.
In terms of price, I think the Droid X2 is priced pretty fairly. The Charge on the other hand is a $100 more and, besides HDMI output and 4G LTE, doesn't really add much to your Epic. In the end it's really up to you. You always have 30 days to change the phone. Drop into a Verizon store and try them out. But keep in mind that Quadrant Standard isn't optimized for dual cores and Neocore is optimized for Qualcomm (ie Snapdragon) chipsets.

i did forget to add a phone.... the sony xperia play i do play a ALOT of ps1 emualtor on my epic.... how is the xperia play? i mean i forgot it was even out lol im use to the 4inch screen but if its bad ass for games and then that maybe be the phone to get

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But keep in mind that Quadrant Standard isn't optimized for dual cores and Neocore is optimized for Qualcomm (ie Snapdragon) chipsets.
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Would someone mind explaining to a n00b what the above means? I too am considering the Thunderbolt (or maybe the Evo 3D).
TIA

he is talkin about benchmarkn its nothing really just a score on how fast is the phone and stuff but some programs are more into other CPUS then others so give more points to the slower cpu

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i did forget to add a phone.... the sony xperia play i do play a ALOT of ps1 emualtor on my epic.... how is the xperia play? i mean i forgot it was even out lol im use to the 4inch screen but if its bad ass for games and then that maybe be the phone to get
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I've played with the Xperia play. The good thing about it is that it's mainly stock Android (no skin, but it does have extra Sony Widgets and some crapware). It comes with Crash Bandicoot (the PS1 version) and some Bruce Lee game, among other games. It played pretty smooth, but it only has a 1GHz Snapdragon, so nothing too impressive. If you want a video with a good benchmark, watch this one. It even compares it to other phones (ps the Optimus 2X has a Tegra 2):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_SyXQtcTmQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=102s
If you can hold off, the Galaxy S II, which is the most powerful Android phone out right now, will be coming to Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T anywhere from July to August. It's all unofficial as of now, but they're definitely coming because they've been named (AT&T Attain, Sprint Within, Verizon Function).
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Would someone mind explaining to a n00b what the above means? I too am considering the Thunderbolt (or maybe the Evo 3D).
TIA
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Quadrant Standard and Neocore are benchmarking apps used to show the CPU and GPU capablities of a phone. The issue is that neither will give you an accurate result of the raw power of a phone.

Avoid Moto ATM
I used to be a staunch supporter of Motorola phones, but in the last couple years, especially with Android OS, they've been very lackluster to me. I support the phones in our office, and we've got several versions of Motos here that give us all sorts of issues. Its amazing what features that Moto manages to turn off natively that all other phones seem to have, plus they go out of their way to make it difficult to update to custom ROMs, etc.

I would definitely go with the TBolt, I've had mine for a couple months now and came from a N1 i was using with iWireless and love the TBolt, Rooted and running Gingerbread, everything works great

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what phone would u guys choose? also im a root user and love flashing roms
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I have a Tbolt & I love it. Mainly because (1) it has 4G and (2) the *very* active dev community here. You may not be concerned with 4G now, but it may come to your area before you are allowed to upgrade phones, so that may be worth considering. Also, some of the TB kernels allow overclocking up to 1.92ghz. The DX2 will proly still give better emulator performance, but I'd bet an overclocked Tbolt would emulate better than a stock Droid Charge (an o/c'd Charge would be a different story. Idk if you can even o/c a Charge, I don't follow the Charge threads). The last time I checked the Charge rom dev section, it was pretty sparse. That will change as more devs get their hands on it, but for the moment you can't get flash happy with a Charge. The Charge's amoled screen is freaking gorgeous. There is nothing else like a Samsung amoled. Colors are really vivid & bright and black is *black*, not dark grey like on a lcd. The Charge's battery life is better than the Tbolt too. I don't know much about the DX2 but I do know that if you like playing with custom roms & kernels, the DX2's bootloader will be very frustrating. I have never messed with Moto Blur but the majority of comments I've read about it are not positive. Ultimately it's a matter of tradeoffs & what is most important to you. If you want the best emulator performance & don't mind giving up custom roms, go for DX2. If you want an awesome screen & can wait a few weeks for rom development to pan out, get the Charge. If you've gotta have custom roms/kernels *right now* & don't mind lackluster battery life, check out the Tbolt.
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I would definitely go with the TBolt, I've had mine for a couple months now and came from a N1 i was using with iWireless and love the TBolt, Rooted and running Gingerbread, everything works great
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I have a Tbolt & I love it. Mainly because (1) it has 4G and (2) the *very* active dev community here.
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If you want an awesome screen & can wait a few weeks for rom development to pan out, get the Charge. If you've gotta have custom roms/kernels *right now* & don't mind lackluster battery life, check out the Tbolt.
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Thunderbolt now or wait for Galaxy S II or Evo 3D?
Will the Bolt be outdated soon with dual processors out now? I'm in no real hurry and can wait a few months so I'm thinking of waiting for Galaxy S II since I've read it is going to be open source now.
In Los Angeles will it matter whether I'm on Sprint or Verizon as far as 4G performance goes? The speed tests I've found are outdated and one listed Verizon as the very worst performing network but they tested in Columbus, OH and people posted that it wasn't an accurate test because of that.

I would go with the thunderbolt, and i just did a few days ago actually. It has the most dev support on here and I hate moto with a passion so the choice was easy for me.
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Nexus prime?

do you guys think it would be a good idea to get a nexus prime?

Yes
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yup, if it comes in AWS

So finally a phone you guys think is worth switching to?

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So finally a phone you guys think is worth switching to?
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Only if T-Mobile isn't cut out of the loop again and that curve on the screen isn't so insanely exaggerated as the teaser makes it appear to be.

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Only if T-Mobile isn't cut out of the loop again
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Nexus 1 and the Nexus S launched with T-Mobile and AWS before anyone else, not sure how they got "cut out of the loop"

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Nexus 1 and the Nexus S launched with T-Mobile and AWS before anyone else, not sure how they got "cut out of the loop"
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The Nexus S 4G (which wasn't really different), so I did do a bit of keyboard-in-mouth, for a minute there I did forget the Nexus S came out on T-Mobile first. Tired.

I came from the Nexus One, bought the G2x off-contract, specically to be able to pick up the Nexus Prime at a discount.
I just hope the nexus prime won't disappoint. Rumors on specs are mixed. The qualcomm chips in the Tmo SG2 and Amaze are meh. Also 5mp camera is meh.... other specs say it'll have the Exynos chipset and 8mp cam. Some say Verizon will get it first others say T-Mobile. Verizon has the Droid Prime with similar specs already and aren't ones to keep it clean with Android.
Either way, if the specs are worthwhile over the G2x, I'll grab it.
Best solution for me personally would be Verizon with sweet specs as my old work blackberry needs upgraded and I set up our new exchange to work properly so my company is allowing Android sets now... meaning I can kill my $70 personal T-Mobile line, sell my G2x and profit.
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I honestly don't think it's that much of an upgrade of our G2x's. Our phone is still up to par with alot of the phones out there now.. Once we get ICS on this thing, we should be fine.

Will it work on at&t?
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Yeah. I think it'll get more development support and the devs won't have to worry about nvidia giving up the source codes.
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The Prime looks nice but I plan on holding onto my G2x until the phone hits at least the one year mark if not more to see what's coming next spring and summer. Quad core phones anyone?
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I know everyone wants the latest and greatest, but sometimes it's a bit overkill. Unless you have a good job with 500+ bucks to throw I don't see why we should be running to get the Prime when you already have a Tegra 2 Dual core device. Nothing can even tough this device yet.
It'd be hard for me to dump my dual core device for another dual core. At this point might as well wait for whatever the next gen quads come out next year. And once that happens, I don't even know what we'd do with a quad core lol.

Well... We'd buy more batteries, of course.
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Well... We'd buy more batteries, of course.
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Lol, I seriously think they should just take a break on the progression of processors, screens, GPU's, etc. and use that time and man power in advancing the technology of battery's... That's literally the only Achilles heel that even the best smartphone's have these days.
At this point, I'd rather have the creation of a 5,000 mAH battery with out changing it's size than a quad core processor.

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Lol, I seriously think they should just take a break on the progression of processors, screens, GPU's, etc. and use that time and man power in advancing the technology of battery's... That's literally the only Achilles heel that even the best smartphone's have these days.
At this point, I'd rather have the creation of a 5,000 mAH battery with out changing it's size than a quad core processor.
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Agreed ten fold. I'm waiting til the Nexus Double Prime before I plan to upgrade. This phone is doing just fine, and has a very nice set of developers working on it for us.
If they did make quad core phones, I bet the battery life would be at least 20% worse than now. When I'm not even getting super amazing battery life to begin with, it might be a problem.

FatalityBoyZahy said:
I honestly don't think it's that much of an upgrade of our G2x's. Our phone is still up to par with alot of the phones out there now.. Once we get ICS on this thing, we should be fine.
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Yeah, main difference between the two will be updates. Something the G2X will probably never officially see. After the half ass 2.3 update we got I'm pretty much over it.
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I really don't see the point of quad core phones; unless Google does something unbelievable with Jelly Bean that needs an insane amount of processing, nothing a smartphone does needs that much. Hell, dual core isn't even that necessary unless you run a lot of 3D stuff.
There is such a thing as overkill people. I'd like to see phone manufactorers declare the smartphone as it exists now finished and start working on some new innovations that would make better hardware necessary. 3D screen ala Nintendo 3DS with FFC capable of eye-tracking to orient the 3D so you see it at any angle?

While I agree that the G2x can hold its own, I do miss owning a nexus device. My friend still has his Nexus One and running official software we can only get via custom roms.
My reasoning to grabbing the Nexus Prime IF if launches on Verizon is so my work can pay for it. Unfortunately I heard Verizon is launching the Galaxy Prime.... which is similar but not the nexus prime backed by Google.
Well just have to wait until Tuesday. All the rumors running around its hard to make any reasonable decision.
If Verizon gets gimped on Google support then I'll keep my G2x for a long while.
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Agreed. My work is on sprint and I am waiting to see if it launches on sprint. If it does, I'll pick it up. If not, either sii or stay on g2x. It looks to me that the prime is going to launch on everyone but sprint.
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