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So I went into Best Buy yesterday and wanted to see if they had a G2 to play with. I've noticed that there cell phone sales presence has become much more prevalent lately, but I hadn't dealt with any of the salesmen at this point.
I'll say as a side note, that the salespeople at T-Mobile stores have generally been helpful and informative. Unfortunately, few in my area have a live G2.
Within seconds of getting over to the counter, strong cologne alerted me to the presence of the salesman before the **** eating grin.
I asked if he had a live G2 or a Vibrant, and he had neither. I mentioned that I had done a lot of research and mostly wanted a little more face time with each phone prior to buying. I brought up Android 2.2 as a major consideration for me and the salesman very quickly told me "Oh, you didn't hear? Froyo is out now for the Vibrant. My phone downloaded it this morning (10/15)."
"Really? You have Froyo on your Vibrant? As of this morning?" I asked.
"Yup, I got the update this morning, it's awesome."
At this point, his cohort had come by. The competing fogs of Aqua di Gio and Hollister California were starting to make my eyes water. I can only assume the second monkey's fake sky blue contact lenses were there to protect his eyes from the flammable air.
"So I overheard you asking about Froyo on the Vibrant? He just got it on his phone this morning. It really screams on the Vibrant's dual core CPU." said monkey number two.
"Well," I said, "would you mind if I took a look at your phone then? See how Android is?"
"Sure, go for it!" said monkey number one.
Opened the browser, went to streetfire.net, and pulled up a Top Gear video, something that I know works on the G2 and displays the little Flash alert pane on the Vibrant. Shockingly, the video didn't play.
"So how's the battery holding up for you?" I asked.
"Oh, it's awesome. I haven't charged it for a day and a half and it's still at 35%. An that's with people playing with it at the store all day long."
"Wow, that's pretty amazing. I think I'll sleep on it, but maybe I'll be by tomorrow" (at this point I hadn't heard about the Froyo push in Norway and wanted to learn more)
"Cool, can I give you a call tomorrow to follow up?"
"Sure" (I proceeded to give him my @home number so he could sit there and leave voicemails all day if he wanted)
I really enjoyed how the two of them could just stand there lying their asses off after I told them I had done a significant amount of research already.
Anyway, enjoy; I found it amusing.
Yeah, that's corporate business for ya. People will do whatever they have to just to make a sale. Well, most people at least. But I agree, it's hilarious! For two reasons:
1.) Dual core? Really?! That isn't on any smart phone yet.
2.) For someone to boldly lie to their customers face is just ridiculous and shows ya that their are actually people out there that buy this crap.
I mean, would you constantly lie to people if you knew that your lies wouldn't be believed? I wouldn't. So that goes to show you how gullible some people are and how much they actually need to you the great searching tools that the internet has given us.
They probably went from alphabetizing dvd's to selling phones in a week.
I hope you made no mention of xda. For our sakes.
good day.
Wow, I went to future shop( its like best buy but Canadian) I asked for the HTC desire and he didn't even know what it was, plus it was right behind him LOL
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Just kidding, the phone is great. Merry Christmas all!
Seriously, some of the people on here are fvckin retarded.
Sorry, but I have to totally disagree with you. When you pay $300+ for a phone you better be getting one that isn't defective or full of issues. Luckily the only issue I've experienced on mine is the creaking buttons, and they've been freaking loud as hell. Not just something you barely hear, it's just flat out f'n annoying. No way in hell should something like that have ever passed HTC's QC process. If you're fine with buttons that make noise every time you press on them, then good for you.
Merry Christmas.
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Sorry, but I have to totally disagree with you. When you pay $300+ for a phone you better be getting one that isn't defective or full of issues. Luckily the only issue I've experienced on mine is the creaking buttons, and they've been freaking loud as hell. Not just something you barely hear, it's just flat out f'n annoying. No way in hell should something like that have ever passed HTC's QC process. If you're fine with buttons that make noise every time you press on them, then good for you.
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Mine hardly even make a noise.
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What's wrong with people on these forums? I bet if half of you never read any forums you wouldn't have returned your phones nearly as many times as you have. Sure, I can understand if your screen looks terrible, but constantly exchanging your phone because the FFC is off by 1 millimeter is ridiculous.
So many people here have returned their phone 5+ times, what's the point! If you really have to return it 5 times you might as well get a dumb phone because you'll never be happy. Even if you get a good screen and everything is good, you might complain that an application you installed forced closed and you're going to return it. The **** people complain about is really annoying.
I've owned several android phones and I've NEVER had such a problem with any where I felt I had to exchange it 5+ times. myTouch Slide, perfect out of the box. Vibrant, perfect out of the box, even after I dropped it twice on concrete without a case. G2, perfect out of the box. MT4G, perfect out of the box! Yes my back button creaks a little but I can only hear it when I'm somewhere where it's completely silent, I mean not even a sound. Otherwise I can't hear it, ever.
With every phone I've had there's just been people complaining and complaining about the silliest things. If you have to go through 5+ phones then the issue is with you, not the phone. I've dropped my MT4G about 3 times without a case where the battery just flew out. Guess what, its still perfect! At a party last night some little kid came by and punched it out of my hand onto some rocks, battery flew out and everything but it's still running perfectly.
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Luckily you got a good MT4G out of the box, but some (many) weren't has lucky. And if you think they should only return their phone once and if it isn't a good screen either just settle for it because they are returning the phone too many times then you are mistaken. The place you need to put the blame is squarely on HTC and the QC of the out going phones. A phone with this magnitude of issues should not pass the QC. And the fact that people (and it's not just one or two people, it's tons of us) continually find issues with the phones points to an issue with the phone manufacturing process, not the consumers. I paid full price for this phone, I want a that phone to be free of manufacturing defects.
Magnitude of issues???? I have the SH screen and hardly think it is "defective" - my back button occasionally makes a creak, but not enough to warrant the trouble to return it. Should I have a real issue, I will warranty the phone. But to clog the system by returning your phone 3,4,5 times for a off center FFC or just trying to game the best display is ludicrous.
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But to clog the system by returning your phone 3,4,5 times for a off center FFC or just trying to game the best display is ludicrous.
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Yeah, we're the problem here, not HTC. That totally makes sense. You know, since we're the ones shipping phones with defective buttons, off-centered FFCs and washed out displays.
Even more annoying are the people who come here to complaint about other people because they haven't been lucky enough to get a good one right out of the box. I'm on my third one...all with terrible washed out looking screens.
If you are happy with what you have why don't just enjoy it and stay out of the threads about the physical issues regarding this phone. Nobody is forcing you to read about it right? The simple remedy for you...stay away and save yourself from being annoyed.
Merry Christmas, champ!
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What surprises me is the one who started this thread. Great videos on his YouTube page that are helpful and informative, and then he starts a thread that is only going to start a heated discussion.
And to call people retarded for simply wanting a phone free of defects is total bullsh1t.
Happy New Year.
C'mon guys its Christmas! All I can say is, if ur happy with the phone you have right even with defects, keep it. If not return it and get a new one till your satisfied with the quality. Wat im really trying to say is, it all comes down to self preferences, cuz everyones opinion may not be the same. Some people expect there phones to be great quality because of wat they paid for.
And Some peepz dont give rats ass. As long there phones works. So there u go guys. Theres no sense to keep dis heated disscussion going on. No bashing before u end up being banned by the mods. Lol
Merry Christmas guys.
Ok yes I did return my phone because of the camera and screen because it was off pretty bad and the touch pad hardly ever worked. This phone the touch pad works great but it is not only worse on the ffc but now I'm having serious issues with connecting to the network. This is the first phone ive had where the issues bug me. All my other ones are perfect out of the box. So yes I will return it but when it works correctly yes I will keep it.
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how do i tell if the ffc is off center?
sorry to hijack.
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how do i tell if the ffc is off center?
sorry to hijack.
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Look at it, is it out of the middle of the hole? If not its off center. Simple.
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thanks.Yeah mine is off center.
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Look at it, is it out of the middle of the hole? If not its off center. Simple.
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wrong. FFC off center means when you use the FFC and you have to tilt the hpone to get yo face in the center.
well... i guess a lot of people returned it because of that too..
Hmmm washed out screen, off center ffc, creaky buttons. Looks like POS HTC QC failed again, WTF did these phone even get though? Is HTC/TMo still denying it? Looks like ill hold on ordering MT4G but as everyday passes I do miss my HD2
BTW did anyone get to order MT4G via TMobile website? All I see is when I pick the device is with 2year contract with discount, I mean WTF do you order the phone and pay full price? They don't expect me to walk in to TMobile store to just buy a phone now do they? WTF even have online shopping then if you can't order that POS.
Also WTF is up with the plans? Last time I checked EM+ 500Talk unlimited text/web was $59.99 and now thats changed to 200MB/month and if you want unlimited web thats $30? WTF? I remember $29.99 for 500min, $10 for unlimited text, $20 for unlimited web. But now they want $79.99? All these bull**** makes me want to keep my TMo account suspended and move to Sprint.
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Hmmm washed out screen, off center ffc, creaky buttons. Looks like POS HTC QC failed again, WTF did these phone even get though? Is HTC/TMo still denying it? Looks like ill hold on ordering MT4G but as everyday passes I do miss my HD2
BTW did anyone get to order MT4G via TMobile website? All I see is when I pick the device is with 2year contract with discount, I mean WTF do you order the phone and pay full price? They don't expect me to walk in to TMobile store to just buy a phone now do they? WTF even have online shopping then if you can't order that POS.
Also WTF is up with the plans? Last time I checked EM+ 500Talk unlimited text/web was $59.99 and now thats changed to 200MB/month and if you want unlimited web thats $30? WTF? I remember $29.99 for 500min, $10 for unlimited text, $20 for unlimited web. But now they want $79.99? All these bull**** makes me want to keep my TMo account suspended and move to Sprint.
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My phone has none of those problems. Go to Sprint then, I'm sure the Evo gets fantastic battery life. For the same plan on Sprint you pay $80 because of the $10 "data fee" they charge on all 4G devices.
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eunkipark92 said:
wrong. FFC off center means when you use the FFC and you have to tilt the hpone to get yo face in the center.
well... i guess a lot of people returned it because of that too..
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Right I understand that but usually that's a good sign that it will be aimed over your shoulder
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My phone has none of those problems. Go to Sprint then, I'm sure the Evo gets fantastic battery life. For the same plan on Sprint you pay $80 because of the $10 "data fee" they charge on all 4G devices.
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What are you TMobile-Fanboy? I was just pointing out there sneaky tactics, thats all. So level with me here so you can see what I see thus be enlightened with logic.
Before: Even More Plus Smartphone Unlimited Web - $19.99
After: Even More Plus Smartphone Unlimited Web - $39.99
So what can you see here? the price went up x2.
Alternative: Even More Plus webConnect® 200MB - $24.99
And what does this say? This is +$5 on old unlimited web plan with 200MB/month bandwidth cap.
Unless you think bandwidth is getting expensive, which is not the case as its going down. The only reason for them to do this is to milk it for whats it worth. Competition is a good thing to bad I can't say the same about actual Teleco/Cableco ISP MPLS.
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What are you TMobile-Fanboy? I was just pointing out there sneaky tactics, thats all. So level with me here so you can see what I see thus be enlightened with logic.
Before: Even More Plus Smartphone Unlimited Web - $19.99
After: Even More Plus Smartphone Unlimited Web - $39.99
So what can you see here? the price went up x2.
Alternative: Even More Plus webConnect® 200MB - $24.99
And what does this say? This is +$5 on old unlimited web plan with 200MB/month bandwidth cap.
Unless you think bandwidth is getting expensive, which is not the case as its going down. The only reason for them to do this is to milk it for whats it worth. Competition is a good thing to bad I can't say the same about actual Teleco/Cableco ISP MPLS.
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Of course they charge more money for the data plan you want (HSPA+ 4G data network that is). They invested billions in a 4G network to MAKE money, not lose it.
My favorite part, "Unless you think bandwidth is getting expensive, which is not the case as its going down". Really? Who is REDUCING prices for their services on cell sites? I'm not even sure what went through your head when you posted that. Do you think all of the required equipment and man hours it took to install the equipment in T-Mobile's cell sites was free? Do you think the required data back haul to provide the 4G speeds is free? Maybe next time you think before just randomly typing complete BS on the website.
(If this is the wrong place for this, Mods feel free to close, move or delete it.
It really only pertains to the Inspire 4G because I own and have modified one.)
It happened last night. My mom has decided that, finally, she wanted a smartphone. Not only a smartphone, but she had done some research and asked me what I thought about the HTC Aria and the LG Pheonix. I told her that the Aria is basically discontinued, so no need in getting that one; and the Pheonix, I didn't know enough about. She had read online that either phone was a good first-time, smartphone to have.
So we went to the AT&T store and looked around, found a Pheonix, messed around with it and I decided sure...it would be a great phone for my mom. For her needs it would do perfectly and well hell, it was running 2.2.1. (of course, I was already running through my mind how to root it and get into it.. )
The amusing part of the whole thing was that the saleslady came over and began to tell us the most off the wall stuff about Android. Of course, I had just got off work and didn't look as smart as I am, so I listened and waited patiently for her spiel...rolling my eyes at the appropriate time, sighing at the right moments and all that.
I noticed she (the saleslady) was getting irritated with me, when especially my mom would look over at me questioningly, as the saleslady would state the capabilities of the phone and I would nod yes or shake my head no.
I could tell the saleslady began to question her confidence at trying to make the sale and finally I said to her, "look we've already decided to get this phone. Its perfect for what she (my mom) needs."
So we went to the counter to finalize the deal and of course, the saleslady started in on "how you should consider getting the 2gb data plan, as with android its always on the internet checking for updates." "There's a lot of settings which are hard to turn off, so it's just easier to get the bigger plan."
I just looked at her..."I can turn them off." Stated simply...with no arrogance or sarcasm intended or noted. She looked at me and paused for a moment; then continued on like I hadn't said anything. She was trying really hard to make this sale and she kept on and on to the point I was getting irritated with her and said,
"look, by midnight tonight I can have that phone turned inside out and backwards...I know what it can do and I'm pretty sure I know its capabilities. Believe me when I say I can turn off the mobile data."
By then she was looking at me with a kinda of stunned expression, like nobody had ever challenged her. Probably didn't make it any better that there were other sales associates and customers standing around.
So she tried a different approach...by trying to sale my mom a case and car charger. I said mom, you can get one cheaper on line...to which the sales lady, in a desperate attempt, stated "you will void your warrenty using 3rd party chargers on your phone."
To which, I again, sighed and said with no malice or harm intended "no...it will void the warrenty if we fry the phone and you can prove we used a 3rd party charger."
By that time, I looked around and several of the other customers were watching our exchange, because it went back and forth for several minutes, like I was some kind of God or even a Demon. I dunno.
I could tell she was rattled and if nothing else I gave her a little learning not to assume that everybody who comes through the door is clueless. Maybe I was an ass/jerk but that really wasn't my intentions.
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Haha, I hate listening to salespeople who have basically no clue what they are talking about and sometimes i throw out questions that I know for a fact that they cannot answer.
And wow, who would actually say using a third party charger will void your warranty... personally I would be embarrassed just to say that in my head.
Cool. Story. Bro.
ThEiiNoCeNT said:
Your My Hero!
Haha, I hate listening to salespeople who have basically no clue what they are talking about and sometimes i throw out questions that I know for a fact that they cannot answer.
And wow, who would actually say using a third party charger will void your warranty... personally I would be embarrassed just to say that in my head.
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I had heard that before, but I don't know how they could prove it.
Nice one. Thanks for starting my day with a smile.
I can recall when I went to look for Atrix how the salesperson was telling some other customer that Inspire was a dual core and had 1 GB RAM. I was like with a "?" on my face and told him, it didn't, and that he was confused between Atrix and Inspire specs.
i had the same type of exchange when i went in for my inspire. I think they should really inform the employees a little better, or at least a little!
Sales ppl suck. I always tell them, Nicely but firmly. "Thank you, but I will inform you when I am ready to purchase." If they continue I let them know that I have things in hand and am not requesting thier service at this time.
It usually works. Sometimes I have to tell them, Please excuse us, but I know more about electronics then you and do not apprecaite your miscomunication.
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Sales ppl suck. I always tell them, Nicely but firmly. "Thank you, but I will inform you when I am ready to purchase." If they continue I let them know that I have things in hand and am not requesting thier service at this time.
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Yep, that's a prime example between salespersons that work on commission, and those that do not.
Rofl- ya I usually shut them dudes up real quick. Start talking about bootloaders and kernels, they'll back off
di11igaf said:
Rofl- ya I usually shut them dudes up real quick. Start talking about bootloaders and kernels, they'll back off
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Funny story but remember the sales people need to make commission so they will try anything to make a sale. And they don't get the proper training as these phones are released I know because I used to be a sales rep for at&t therefore they look stupid to phone tech savvy people.
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Bootloader.... what you call my momma?
droe411 said:
Bootloader.... what you call my momma?
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Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!
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I do have to say that using a third party charger is not the best move. It won't void your warranty ( I work for ATT Corp.) but it does have a habit of destroying phones.
I usually say to people that you wouldn't want to run cheap wiring in your house so why would run cheap wiring from your car to your phone and risk frying both for something that is at most 20 bucks cheaper.
But that's just my 2cents.
There are differences in usb cables..... My wifes old Xperia X10 would burn up if I plugged in my Inspire's cable. Literally high temps and reboot.....
This is awesome! I feel the same exact way every time I go into that store. Last time I went in to upgrade my iPhone 3GS and I went in with it jailbroken and modded and themed to hell and the guy saw it and was like "WOAH! THATS SO COOL! WHAT IS THAT?" i told him it was an app as he proceeded to hand me the iPhone 4 lol
veritas2884 said:
I do have to say that using a third party charger is not the best move. It won't void your warranty ( I work for ATT Corp.) but it does have a habit of destroying phones.
I usually say to people that you wouldn't want to run cheap wiring in your house so why would run cheap wiring from your car to your phone and risk frying both for something that is at most 20 bucks cheaper.
But that's just my 2cents.
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Heh...well she shouldn't have assumed; I never stated we were ordering a 3rd party charger. I could have ordered a proprietary charger online...and perhaps a better price.
di11igaf said:
Rofl- ya I usually shut them dudes up real quick. Start talking about bootloaders and kernels, they'll back off
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+1 i bought an inspire may 23rd and since then my aunt, uncle, other aunt, and my father have bought the same phone. I was with them each sale, what a major mindnumbing experience.. Radioshack was worse though, at best go to best buy, haven't had any problems with them and they do price match...
The reps at my store are actually pretty cool. When I went to get my inspire,the only thing he said was "if you want eye candy,sturdyness,great support and cool customization's then the inspire is for you. If you want better battery life or a future proof phone,then I'd go for the attic,but I've learned the consumer usually knows what they want if they walk in,and go straight for the high end phones" those were the exact words lol. Then i told him I would flash a ROM on the inspire to improve battery life and he was like yeah,that would work too and told me how he did the same with his captivated. The. Got his store manager to whip out his inspire,to show me the custom ROM he was running LOL. The reps here are all cool and never push for you to get something different then what you laid eyes on when you walked in the store. But its different with the Verizon store here. Every time I go in to pay my laptop bill they always trying to get me to add a line,and then i tell them how I would only consider there incredible 2,but wouldn't get it due to boot loaders being locked,and they would be like huh? So I'd be like,uhh I wouldn't be able to hack it. And they a rep said "well ya know,Verizon phones usually come with the best software period and no hack/mod will make it any better" I looked around like,umm you do know verizon owns the worst phone ever....the Droid x,rite? They just laughed and I left. But anyways,at&t here is awsome
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I do have to say that using a third party charger is not the best move. It won't void your warranty ( I work for ATT Corp.) but it does have a habit of destroying phones.
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If the charger doesn't have HTC written all over it, it's a 3rd party charger. The one I bought from AT&T has a USB port on it and the AT&T deathstar glows when plugged in. I do believe that's a "3rd party" charger.
There may be quality differences in construction of chargers but they're not that complicated since the phone is actually doing all the charging and battery monitoring.
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Music to my ears
I think the worst thing about this is how it will affect the everyday Samsung phone user. They've already shown they are willing to even preemptively alter software (local search) in order to avoid lawsuits and after the court loss it's only going to get worse. What updates are on the horizon as Samsung scrambles to avoid more jury "decisions" and patent cases? Sure, maybe it forces them to do something new and imaginative and finally dump the questionable TouchWiz, but the short term could mean bad OTA updates for people who bought an amazing phone. I know I won't be going back to stock.
Some people are wondering why Samsung/Google don't wage war back holding parts or search hostage, but the reality is that they need Apple more than Apple needs them. The gigantic marketshare they hold means Google needs their users eyeballs, and Samsung cannot lose the income from supplying iComponents. They even released a statement during the trial stating they considered the divisions absolutely sealed from one another, signaling loud and clear to Apple it won't even be a bargaining chip.
I hate this. It's all the more sickly ironic when you think back to Apple fighting to survive in Microsoft's shadow, now playing an even worse villain. And Microsoft is probably the one who wins from all this. It seemed like maybe the general tech press was starting to get wise and there was a small voice of outrage beyond just the Android community starting to form in the face of this bulls***, but now that the iPhone and mini-iPad are launching it's just going to be months of the gadget press fellating a minor upgrade in software and form as Apple steamrolls more competitors.
I never understood the Apple vs Microsoft debate, like If you want a PC, just buy one and forget about Mac, who cares it's a computer. But in light of current press, I see the reasoning and I also see why Apple needs to die. Shame on them
ahh thank you. this forum needs heavy moderation!!
I would also guess that the parts Samsung sells for iPhones are under an ironclad contract and would just create another law suit. Maybe when that contract is up Samsung will double the price of those parts to get their money back.
Just be prepared for all the ones who havent purchased the SGS3 yet. Apple is now going after 4 more devices that Samsung has released since the trial to remove them from the market, and the SGS3 is one of them. It was all over Fox News yesterday. Greedy ass Apple cant take the fact that Android is overtaking them by storm, and they cant compete with the technology and speed Android now has over Apple.
What I am going to find interesting is what other technology Apple will try to use(if they try) since Samsung holds a Lte patent
Samsung already said they are ready to file a suit if the next Iphone has Lte
Imagine the Iphone being banned in the US..... heaven....
From what I understand Samsung is going to keep to its promise and take it to an appeals court that deals more directly with patents.
I saw a list of just a few of the phones that were listed that apple wanted to ban from sales, some of which like the droid charge are 1. out of date and not a big seller anyway and 2. look nothing like the iphone. It amazes me to see how low a company will go to corner the market in the smartphone/tablet industry.
I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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From what I understand Samsung is going to keep to its promise and take it to an appeals court that deals more directly with patents.
I saw a list of just a few of the phones that were listed that apple wanted to ban from sales, some of which like the droid charge are 1. out of date and not a big seller anyway and 2. look nothing like the iphone. It amazes me to see how low a company will go to corner the market in the smartphone/tablet industry.
I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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Yeah the ban is not really an issue, but the damages will most likely be in billions of $. No really the issue either...
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I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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Part of the strategy is to hamper development of the S4, the same as Apple actually had a hand in the S3 (and later versions of the S2) being more round-ish than the original S2. Samsung will probably have to limit certain features of any new phones to avoid the traps Apple has laid (like having the product banned for using unified search, slide to unlock, spelling prediction, and any number of bone-stupid things Apple should have no business dictating to anyone else.) In dodging Apple's bull****, Sammy has more limited design options for the S4 right out of the gate- and like the S3 and Galaxy Note 10.1 that clearly they made look nothing like Apple's stuff... they'll probably STILL get sued.
I like to remind people how Apple blocking sales of the Galaxy Nexus reveals their true motivations. Why? The GNexus doesn't look anything like any of Apple's products, but more importantly, it runs STOCK Android- not Samsung's touchwiz. Apple could basically have sued ANYONE using the same bull**** reasons as they did to block the Nexus, but they once again went after a flagship device that they don't want in the market.
So next time you hear some Apple-apologist say the predictable: "Well if Samsung would just stop copying Apple blah blah blah..." just slap them. It's already public record: Apple sues to block Samsung's most successful designs no-matter-what. Resembles iPhone or not / Touchwiz or completely stock Android. Doesn't matter.
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What I am going to find interesting is what other technology Apple will try to use(if they try) since Samsung holds a Lte patent
Samsung already said they are ready to file a suit if the next Iphone has Lte
Imagine the Iphone being banned in the US..... heaven....
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Apple is a lot of things, but one of them is not stupid. There is just no way that they have been this aggressive toward Samsung if Samsung truly does have this supposed hammer in their back pocket. Worst case, Apple has to pay fair licensing fees for standards essential patents--anything beyond that just doesn't pass the smell test IMO.
The latest iPad is 4G LTE, so I'm not quite sure where people get this idea from that Apple has/will have any problem using LTE in the iPhone 5.
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I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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mdt73 said:
I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I'd have to think that you have a defective phone. Battery life on this beast is incredible. I easily get 24 hours and 4-5 hours of screen time on this phone. And that is with a much bigger screen than the iPhone. As far as resale value, that will be determined when the next phone comes out. I got $280 for a refurb rezound. Not bad.
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mdt73 said:
I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I had an iphone 4s for like 7 months and I can honestly say that the battery on my s3 is as good or better than the 4s. Also I don't know what stores you shop at but every one I've been to has cases and such for the s3 widely available.
losdog12001 said:
I had an iphone 4s for like 7 months and I can honestly say that the battery on my s3 is as good or better than the 4s. Also I don't know what stores you shop at but every one I've been to has cases and such for the s3 widely available.
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Yesterday was spent just getting situated with the phone and rooting it. Today I am going to read up a ton more and get smarter on it, hopefully, lol.
Regarding cases and such, you misunderstood me. I know we're both S3 owners, and we might even consider ourselves fanboys... but take the time to be honest about everything that goes with a phone, including accessories. We WANT to have the plethora available to us like Apple does, but we're not even close. Samsung finally stopped releasing different types of the same phone to different carriers, which helped a ton. Where you are not looking at is every other flippin Android device out there. I was a very early owner of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Very little community support for that device, even here on xda. Usually "community" turns into iPad or Galaxy Tab bashing... and there's not a ton of residual community. At least, for now, the S3 is sexy and everyone seems to enjoy them. The minute the S4 comes out... next year?, this community will dry up. That's the problem for me... I have seen what a large community can do for a phone, which touches almost every part of my life. Hell, I almost bought a rezound over this phone, because of the screen and the radio... but that community might as well be called a ghost town.
Quick question, are you saying a stock S3 is better than an iPhone with regards to battery life? I just started testing out the stock battery tools... trying to not load up a rom yet, as I seriously have owned the phone for less than 24 hours and want to at least know what I am fixing first, lol.
this flame war is getting annoying
Lots of threads with discussion about the notch itself, please continue to post your love or hate for notches on those threads. This thread is strictly for addressing the hoax theory and why you think it's either true or false.
My own opinion is a straight up not sure, I cant deny it seems unlikely Google pulled it off but on the other side of the coin there is a lot of material that makes me go, "hmmmm." I think the largest thing that comes to mind is in regards to the lost phones. It's hard to believe any outfit could be so inept and their response seems to be incredibly lackadaisical considering the corporate secrets/strategy/ intellectual property involved. I expect a response much more like what you will all recall came from the Fruit company when their phone was left in a restaurant but that absolutely didn't happen.
It would be great if there were a different phone than the one we've seen on stage for the reveal but I don't think that will happen. The leaks were pretty phony but I don't think their purpose was a giant prank. That would be very cool, but unlikely. I think I'm getting more accepting as I get older. I'm not crazy about that notch but it's not a deal breaker for me. There are too many things I like about the Pixel phones to let that ruin it. I'm glad the new forums are up. Part of the fun of a new Pixel is the conversation here. I hope it isn't just a bash the notch fest. Maybe a designated thread for that would work. Unless there is no notch...
It is a deal breaker for me
Gents, please, your love/hate of the notch already has many a thread for you to express your opinions. This one is for the alleged possibility of Google pulling one over on the leak machine or not if that be the case. Thanks for your forbearance.
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Gents, please, your love/hate of the notch already has many a thread for you to express your opinions. This one is for the alleged possibility of Google pulling one over on the leak machine or not if that be the case. Thanks for your forbearance.
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You are right, the last thing I'd want to do is fuel the notch discussion. If Google pulled that off it would be great. The fact that there is even speculation about it is quite an accomplishment on their part.
I love to beat on Google as much as the next guy but there is no way I'm not throwing them some cred if they really did get one over on all of us. It would change the leak factory over night to one of much greater uncertainty. Right now I feel likei know what a phone is before the reveal almost every time.
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The notch does look a bit too big, not sure it would be a deal breaker for me. I recently just traded my note 8 for a pixel 2 XL i missed the pure android feel so i may wait until its in the store and i can see it in person to tell if it ridiculously too big or just something to get use to. As cool as it would be for google to have tricked us all and have a surprise big notch free device i highly doubt it even a possibility , but i guess we will see in a few weeks
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what i am concerned about is that apple hasn't gone after anybody for notch designs. they weren't the first, though i am quite sure many of their fans think so, but this will probably be most high profile phone with a notch even though the sales won't be there to back it up. i'm sure the apple hate will grow even larger if the XL 3 does indeed have a notch and apple makes a lawsuit against google. i am still aggravated apple started suing OEMS, especially google, to inforce their patent for one press app openings when you have multiple apps to choose from. because of apple, we have to press twice. so petty, especially for a trillion dollar company that doesn't own any factories and has the power to make working conditions better for workers even though they don't those factories. let's not forget apple is also exempt from the tariff trade war. we shall see.
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Thanks for the LOL mate...
Why didn't Google add more RAM for more ROM on this device knowing that they are going to charge so much for it? P.S. please bring the headphone jack back with an unlocked FM Radio chip.
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It's wide open gents and you don't even need to search for duplicate threads because there are so few; you can post a thread about a wish list for the pixel 4, a thread to complain about any lack or omissions in the 3, or, a thread to discuss a lawsuit that wont happen because third doesn't get to complain about being copied. But that would be on those threads, not here. We're not even complaining about the notch here. This is just where we're discussing the possibility of Goog being involved in a subterfuge to mask exactly what they're going to deliver with the 18 Pixel devices.
At this point with Goog releasing official renders you have to figure the only trick left is if they actually have a 3rd device, the so called "Ultra". The thinking being something along the lines of Apple outing a phone which hadn't even seen the FCC to keep it secret and releasing after the leaked devices. I'm doubtful on the concept but that's the only remaining hope for those hoping to go big and notchless with Pixel this year.