Best Buy Cell Phone Salesmen: Integrity Optional - General Topics

So I went into Best Buy yesterday and wanted to see if they had a G2 to play with. I've noticed that there cell phone sales presence has become much more prevalent lately, but I hadn't dealt with any of the salesmen at this point.
I'll say as a side note, that the salespeople at T-Mobile stores have generally been helpful and informative. Unfortunately, few in my area have a live G2.
Within seconds of getting over to the counter, strong cologne alerted me to the presence of the salesman before the **** eating grin.
I asked if he had a live G2 or a Vibrant, and he had neither. I mentioned that I had done a lot of research and mostly wanted a little more face time with each phone prior to buying. I brought up Android 2.2 as a major consideration for me and the salesman very quickly told me "Oh, you didn't hear? Froyo is out now for the Vibrant. My phone downloaded it this morning (10/15)."
"Really? You have Froyo on your Vibrant? As of this morning?" I asked.
"Yup, I got the update this morning, it's awesome."
At this point, his cohort had come by. The competing fogs of Aqua di Gio and Hollister California were starting to make my eyes water. I can only assume the second monkey's fake sky blue contact lenses were there to protect his eyes from the flammable air.
"So I overheard you asking about Froyo on the Vibrant? He just got it on his phone this morning. It really screams on the Vibrant's dual core CPU." said monkey number two.
"Well," I said, "would you mind if I took a look at your phone then? See how Android is?"
"Sure, go for it!" said monkey number one.
Opened the browser, went to streetfire.net, and pulled up a Top Gear video, something that I know works on the G2 and displays the little Flash alert pane on the Vibrant. Shockingly, the video didn't play.
"So how's the battery holding up for you?" I asked.
"Oh, it's awesome. I haven't charged it for a day and a half and it's still at 35%. An that's with people playing with it at the store all day long."
"Wow, that's pretty amazing. I think I'll sleep on it, but maybe I'll be by tomorrow" (at this point I hadn't heard about the Froyo push in Norway and wanted to learn more)
"Cool, can I give you a call tomorrow to follow up?"
"Sure" (I proceeded to give him my @home number so he could sit there and leave voicemails all day if he wanted)
I really enjoyed how the two of them could just stand there lying their asses off after I told them I had done a significant amount of research already.
Anyway, enjoy; I found it amusing.

Yeah, that's corporate business for ya. People will do whatever they have to just to make a sale. Well, most people at least. But I agree, it's hilarious! For two reasons:
1.) Dual core? Really?! That isn't on any smart phone yet.
2.) For someone to boldly lie to their customers face is just ridiculous and shows ya that their are actually people out there that buy this crap.
I mean, would you constantly lie to people if you knew that your lies wouldn't be believed? I wouldn't. So that goes to show you how gullible some people are and how much they actually need to you the great searching tools that the internet has given us.

They probably went from alphabetizing dvd's to selling phones in a week.
I hope you made no mention of xda. For our sakes.
good day.

Wow, I went to future shop( its like best buy but Canadian) I asked for the HTC desire and he didn't even know what it was, plus it was right behind him LOL
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I'm returning my MT4G for the 6th time...

Just kidding, the phone is great. Merry Christmas all!
Seriously, some of the people on here are fvckin retarded.
Sorry, but I have to totally disagree with you. When you pay $300+ for a phone you better be getting one that isn't defective or full of issues. Luckily the only issue I've experienced on mine is the creaking buttons, and they've been freaking loud as hell. Not just something you barely hear, it's just flat out f'n annoying. No way in hell should something like that have ever passed HTC's QC process. If you're fine with buttons that make noise every time you press on them, then good for you.
Merry Christmas.
dustrho said:
Sorry, but I have to totally disagree with you. When you pay $300+ for a phone you better be getting one that isn't defective or full of issues. Luckily the only issue I've experienced on mine is the creaking buttons, and they've been freaking loud as hell. Not just something you barely hear, it's just flat out f'n annoying. No way in hell should something like that have ever passed HTC's QC process. If you're fine with buttons that make noise every time you press on them, then good for you.
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Mine hardly even make a noise.
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Arcadia310 said:
What's wrong with people on these forums? I bet if half of you never read any forums you wouldn't have returned your phones nearly as many times as you have. Sure, I can understand if your screen looks terrible, but constantly exchanging your phone because the FFC is off by 1 millimeter is ridiculous.
So many people here have returned their phone 5+ times, what's the point! If you really have to return it 5 times you might as well get a dumb phone because you'll never be happy. Even if you get a good screen and everything is good, you might complain that an application you installed forced closed and you're going to return it. The **** people complain about is really annoying.
I've owned several android phones and I've NEVER had such a problem with any where I felt I had to exchange it 5+ times. myTouch Slide, perfect out of the box. Vibrant, perfect out of the box, even after I dropped it twice on concrete without a case. G2, perfect out of the box. MT4G, perfect out of the box! Yes my back button creaks a little but I can only hear it when I'm somewhere where it's completely silent, I mean not even a sound. Otherwise I can't hear it, ever.
With every phone I've had there's just been people complaining and complaining about the silliest things. If you have to go through 5+ phones then the issue is with you, not the phone. I've dropped my MT4G about 3 times without a case where the battery just flew out. Guess what, its still perfect! At a party last night some little kid came by and punched it out of my hand onto some rocks, battery flew out and everything but it's still running perfectly.
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Luckily you got a good MT4G out of the box, but some (many) weren't has lucky. And if you think they should only return their phone once and if it isn't a good screen either just settle for it because they are returning the phone too many times then you are mistaken. The place you need to put the blame is squarely on HTC and the QC of the out going phones. A phone with this magnitude of issues should not pass the QC. And the fact that people (and it's not just one or two people, it's tons of us) continually find issues with the phones points to an issue with the phone manufacturing process, not the consumers. I paid full price for this phone, I want a that phone to be free of manufacturing defects.
Magnitude of issues???? I have the SH screen and hardly think it is "defective" - my back button occasionally makes a creak, but not enough to warrant the trouble to return it. Should I have a real issue, I will warranty the phone. But to clog the system by returning your phone 3,4,5 times for a off center FFC or just trying to game the best display is ludicrous.
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But to clog the system by returning your phone 3,4,5 times for a off center FFC or just trying to game the best display is ludicrous.
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Yeah, we're the problem here, not HTC. That totally makes sense. You know, since we're the ones shipping phones with defective buttons, off-centered FFCs and washed out displays.
Even more annoying are the people who come here to complaint about other people because they haven't been lucky enough to get a good one right out of the box. I'm on my third one...all with terrible washed out looking screens.
If you are happy with what you have why don't just enjoy it and stay out of the threads about the physical issues regarding this phone. Nobody is forcing you to read about it right? The simple remedy for you...stay away and save yourself from being annoyed.
Merry Christmas, champ!
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What surprises me is the one who started this thread. Great videos on his YouTube page that are helpful and informative, and then he starts a thread that is only going to start a heated discussion.
And to call people retarded for simply wanting a phone free of defects is total bullsh1t.
Happy New Year.
C'mon guys its Christmas! All I can say is, if ur happy with the phone you have right even with defects, keep it. If not return it and get a new one till your satisfied with the quality. Wat im really trying to say is, it all comes down to self preferences, cuz everyones opinion may not be the same. Some people expect there phones to be great quality because of wat they paid for.
And Some peepz dont give rats ass. As long there phones works. So there u go guys. Theres no sense to keep dis heated disscussion going on. No bashing before u end up being banned by the mods. Lol
Merry Christmas guys.
Ok yes I did return my phone because of the camera and screen because it was off pretty bad and the touch pad hardly ever worked. This phone the touch pad works great but it is not only worse on the ffc but now I'm having serious issues with connecting to the network. This is the first phone ive had where the issues bug me. All my other ones are perfect out of the box. So yes I will return it but when it works correctly yes I will keep it.
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how do i tell if the ffc is off center?
sorry to hijack.
blancoisgod said:
how do i tell if the ffc is off center?
sorry to hijack.
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Look at it, is it out of the middle of the hole? If not its off center. Simple.
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thanks.Yeah mine is off center.
jjjackson56 said:
Look at it, is it out of the middle of the hole? If not its off center. Simple.
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wrong. FFC off center means when you use the FFC and you have to tilt the hpone to get yo face in the center.
well... i guess a lot of people returned it because of that too..
Hmmm washed out screen, off center ffc, creaky buttons. Looks like POS HTC QC failed again, WTF did these phone even get though? Is HTC/TMo still denying it? Looks like ill hold on ordering MT4G but as everyday passes I do miss my HD2
BTW did anyone get to order MT4G via TMobile website? All I see is when I pick the device is with 2year contract with discount, I mean WTF do you order the phone and pay full price? They don't expect me to walk in to TMobile store to just buy a phone now do they? WTF even have online shopping then if you can't order that POS.
Also WTF is up with the plans? Last time I checked EM+ 500Talk unlimited text/web was $59.99 and now thats changed to 200MB/month and if you want unlimited web thats $30? WTF? I remember $29.99 for 500min, $10 for unlimited text, $20 for unlimited web. But now they want $79.99? All these bull**** makes me want to keep my TMo account suspended and move to Sprint.
HyperNode said:
Hmmm washed out screen, off center ffc, creaky buttons. Looks like POS HTC QC failed again, WTF did these phone even get though? Is HTC/TMo still denying it? Looks like ill hold on ordering MT4G but as everyday passes I do miss my HD2
BTW did anyone get to order MT4G via TMobile website? All I see is when I pick the device is with 2year contract with discount, I mean WTF do you order the phone and pay full price? They don't expect me to walk in to TMobile store to just buy a phone now do they? WTF even have online shopping then if you can't order that POS.
Also WTF is up with the plans? Last time I checked EM+ 500Talk unlimited text/web was $59.99 and now thats changed to 200MB/month and if you want unlimited web thats $30? WTF? I remember $29.99 for 500min, $10 for unlimited text, $20 for unlimited web. But now they want $79.99? All these bull**** makes me want to keep my TMo account suspended and move to Sprint.
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My phone has none of those problems. Go to Sprint then, I'm sure the Evo gets fantastic battery life. For the same plan on Sprint you pay $80 because of the $10 "data fee" they charge on all 4G devices.
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eunkipark92 said:
wrong. FFC off center means when you use the FFC and you have to tilt the hpone to get yo face in the center.
well... i guess a lot of people returned it because of that too..
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Right I understand that but usually that's a good sign that it will be aimed over your shoulder
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Arcadia310 said:
My phone has none of those problems. Go to Sprint then, I'm sure the Evo gets fantastic battery life. For the same plan on Sprint you pay $80 because of the $10 "data fee" they charge on all 4G devices.
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What are you TMobile-Fanboy? I was just pointing out there sneaky tactics, thats all. So level with me here so you can see what I see thus be enlightened with logic.
Before: Even More Plus Smartphone Unlimited Web - $19.99
After: Even More Plus Smartphone Unlimited Web - $39.99
So what can you see here? the price went up x2.
Alternative: Even More Plus webConnect® 200MB - $24.99
And what does this say? This is +$5 on old unlimited web plan with 200MB/month bandwidth cap.
Unless you think bandwidth is getting expensive, which is not the case as its going down. The only reason for them to do this is to milk it for whats it worth. Competition is a good thing to bad I can't say the same about actual Teleco/Cableco ISP MPLS.
HyperNode said:
What are you TMobile-Fanboy? I was just pointing out there sneaky tactics, thats all. So level with me here so you can see what I see thus be enlightened with logic.
Before: Even More Plus Smartphone Unlimited Web - $19.99
After: Even More Plus Smartphone Unlimited Web - $39.99
So what can you see here? the price went up x2.
Alternative: Even More Plus webConnect® 200MB - $24.99
And what does this say? This is +$5 on old unlimited web plan with 200MB/month bandwidth cap.
Unless you think bandwidth is getting expensive, which is not the case as its going down. The only reason for them to do this is to milk it for whats it worth. Competition is a good thing to bad I can't say the same about actual Teleco/Cableco ISP MPLS.
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Of course they charge more money for the data plan you want (HSPA+ 4G data network that is). They invested billions in a 4G network to MAKE money, not lose it.
My favorite part, "Unless you think bandwidth is getting expensive, which is not the case as its going down". Really? Who is REDUCING prices for their services on cell sites? I'm not even sure what went through your head when you posted that. Do you think all of the required equipment and man hours it took to install the equipment in T-Mobile's cell sites was free? Do you think the required data back haul to provide the 4G speeds is free? Maybe next time you think before just randomly typing complete BS on the website.

For those considering jumping ship to Verizon, and or getting iPhone on Verizon...

Here's an interesting article and video to check out. Brings up several points to consider before making that decision...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_techn...ife-reasons-to-hold-off-on-the-verizon-iphone
thanks for the tip, chatting and surfing at the same time = big issue
Good info but what does this have to do with the captivate?
Why would anyone on AT&T go to Verizon for the iPhone?
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Good info but what does this have to do with the captivate?
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Lancered said:
Why would anyone on AT&T go to Verizon for the iPhone?
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Thanks for the link in the op. I've been hearing a lot about this lately.
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Good info but what does this have to do with the captivate?
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Lancered said:
Why would anyone on AT&T go to Verizon for the iPhone?
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I was wondering the same thing. Not like we couldn't get an iPhone if we wanted...
What this has to do with captivate...
There has been plenty of closet apple fanboys that are current captivate owners posting on this forum about how much better iphone is. So this is mainly for them.
Also, this is good information to know if you are considering going from AT&T to Verizon, because plenty of people on here complain how much AT&T sucks. The grass is always greener on the other side...until you start comparing facts instead of speculation and conspiracy theories. The information passed through that article is just an FYI, some things you should know and consider, so that you can make a well informed decision.
And again, hince, the title of this thread...for those considering...
cavsoldier19d said:
What this has to do with captivate...
There has been plenty of closet apple fanboys that are current captivate owners posting on this forum about how much better iphone is. So this is mainly for them.
Also, this is good information to know if you are considering going from AT&T to Verizon, because plenty of people on here complain how much AT&T sucks. The grass is always greener on the other side...until you start comparing facts instead of speculation and conspiracy theories. The information passed through that article is just an FYI, some things you should know and consider, so that you can make a well informed decision.
And again, hince, the title of this thread...for those considering...
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All cell phone companies suck.......some just more than others.In my area...with all of the over lapping coverages...the ones with the biggest dead zones is Verizon then Sprint...and I have had more issue with both of them,for customer service issues as well...these issues to the point of canceling service and changing carriers...all within 1 year too...
As to the OP...I had this type of discussion/debate last night at work with some heavy duty Verizon fan boys (co-workers)...They all saying AT&T had the worst coverage around and the worst customer satisfaction scores...let alone the crappiest phones...Most everything on paper was compared...but it's funny how things like this are compared...something someone wrote in a review being taken as gospel by JQP...That is till real world testing is done before their very eyes...and even then...the disbelief and excuses ensue...
Speed test...that almost shut them up right there...When compared...the best they could muster standing side by side was 314 kbps down...mine hit 5997 kbps down... This is with all of theirs showing 2&3 bars while 1 other was on Sprints 4g network...and my lowly rooted Captivate running it's custom I-9000 rom... was at full strength (duh)...Their admiration of just how good their cell coverage was their main stay...and was very compelling to those who didn't understand anything about it after all...it said so in the review article they had prepared before my arrival and the basis of their Damming Proof......Their main argument was saying AT&T cell coverage sucks a big one where I work and in the surrounding areas......and "after all "...the real test of any phone was how good a signal their phones got...and how they could talk anytime anywhere when no-one else couldn't..( again...this is widely reported as a major issue with these phones...per the article/review )...so...just to prove I didn't have any issues with my coverage except for a couple of places inside where any realistic person would know cell coverage was next to impossible..(lead lined areas...massive electrical equipment interference ) It was suggested...just to prove them right.. how ineffective my phone was under normal circumstances...so we all got on a elevator on the 18 floor and rode it down 2 stories below ground to the lower level......mine was the only one still working...and could still manage to make calls...until we moved into a dead area...as mentioned above...It's rather funny...though extremely anemic on their part... how they changed tactics after that brief demonstration...and how it was lamented that I tampered with the phone to make it as good as it is...
Granted...while that aspect is true enough...I asked them..what their point was and what their objections were...and the warranty issue was first and foremost their main thing...and since I wasn't going to bother flashing back to stock to prove my point that that was irrelevant..the conversation ended...and they felt vindicated in some manner...as most fan-boys grasp at the most anemic excuses to prove their point...let alone realize their arguments have no merit...
Moral of the story...My Captivate is the best phone I have ever owned...and the sheep people will never know the benefits to having a truly unlocked phone...and only buy and use what they are sold as is...Fan-boys will believe what ever drivel is spoon fed them and never admit they have been deceived....and...the most important thing...all cell phone companies suck...some...just more than others...and of course YMMV...
Mac
why warn them
let darwinism take its course
only way they will truly learn that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
mac11700 said:
all cell phone companies suck.......some just more than others.in my area...with all of the over lapping coverages...the ones with the biggest dead zones is verizon then sprint...and i have had more issue with both of them,for customer service issues as well...these issues to the point of canceling service and changing carriers...all within 1 year too...
As to the op...i had this type of discussion/debate last night at work with some heavy duty verizon fan boys (co-workers)...they all saying at&t had the worst coverage around and the worst customer satisfaction scores...let alone the crappiest phones...most everything on paper was compared...but it's funny how things like this are compared...something someone wrote in a review being taken as gospel by jqp...that is till real world testing is done before their very eyes...and even then...the disbelief and excuses ensue...
Speed test...that almost shut them up right there...when compared...the best they could muster standing side by side was 314 kbps down...mine hit 5997 kbps down... This is with all of theirs showing 2&3 bars while 1 other was on sprints 4g network...and my lowly rooted captivate running it's custom i-9000 rom... Was at full strength (duh)...their admiration of just how good their cell coverage was their main stay...and was very compelling to those who didn't understand anything about it after all...it said so in the review article they had prepared before my arrival and the basis of their damming proof......their main argument was saying at&t cell coverage sucks a big one where i work and in the surrounding areas......and "after all "...the real test of any phone was how good a signal their phones got...and how they could talk anytime anywhere when no-one else couldn't..( again...this is widely reported as a major issue with these phones...per the article/review )...so...just to prove i didn't have any issues with my coverage except for a couple of places inside where any realistic person would know cell coverage was next to impossible..(lead lined areas...massive electrical equipment interference ) it was suggested...just to prove them right.. How ineffective my phone was under normal circumstances...so we all got on a elevator on the 18 floor and rode it down 2 stories below ground to the lower level......mine was the only one still working...and could still manage to make calls...until we moved into a dead area...as mentioned above...it's rather funny...though extremely anemic on their part... How they changed tactics after that brief demonstration...and how it was lamented that i tampered with the phone to make it as good as it is...:d
granted...while that aspect is true enough...i asked them..what their point was and what their objections were...and the warranty issue was first and foremost their main thing...and since i wasn't going to bother flashing back to stock to prove my point that that was irrelevant..the conversation ended...and they felt vindicated in some manner...as most fan-boys grasp at the most anemic excuses to prove their point...let alone realize their arguments have no merit...
Moral of the story...my captivate is the best phone i have ever owned...and the sheep people will never know the benefits to having a truly unlocked phone...and only buy and use what they are sold as is...fan-boys will believe what ever drivel is spoon fed them and never admit they have been deceived....and...the most important thing...all cell phone companies suck...some...just more than others...and of course ymmv...
Mac
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bames said:
why warn them
let darwinism take its course
only way they will truly learn that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
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The ad at the end of that video made me LOL! An app that lets u see (uses your phones camera) where ur going while you text! lol is that for reals??
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I'm no Verizon fanboy but I definitely see some bias, tactical mudslinging and slippery slope fallacies here.

Amusing AT&T anecdote

(If this is the wrong place for this, Mods feel free to close, move or delete it.
It really only pertains to the Inspire 4G because I own and have modified one.)
It happened last night. My mom has decided that, finally, she wanted a smartphone. Not only a smartphone, but she had done some research and asked me what I thought about the HTC Aria and the LG Pheonix. I told her that the Aria is basically discontinued, so no need in getting that one; and the Pheonix, I didn't know enough about. She had read online that either phone was a good first-time, smartphone to have.
So we went to the AT&T store and looked around, found a Pheonix, messed around with it and I decided sure...it would be a great phone for my mom. For her needs it would do perfectly and well hell, it was running 2.2.1. (of course, I was already running through my mind how to root it and get into it.. )
The amusing part of the whole thing was that the saleslady came over and began to tell us the most off the wall stuff about Android. Of course, I had just got off work and didn't look as smart as I am, so I listened and waited patiently for her spiel...rolling my eyes at the appropriate time, sighing at the right moments and all that.
I noticed she (the saleslady) was getting irritated with me, when especially my mom would look over at me questioningly, as the saleslady would state the capabilities of the phone and I would nod yes or shake my head no.
I could tell the saleslady began to question her confidence at trying to make the sale and finally I said to her, "look we've already decided to get this phone. Its perfect for what she (my mom) needs."
So we went to the counter to finalize the deal and of course, the saleslady started in on "how you should consider getting the 2gb data plan, as with android its always on the internet checking for updates." "There's a lot of settings which are hard to turn off, so it's just easier to get the bigger plan."
I just looked at her..."I can turn them off." Stated simply...with no arrogance or sarcasm intended or noted. She looked at me and paused for a moment; then continued on like I hadn't said anything. She was trying really hard to make this sale and she kept on and on to the point I was getting irritated with her and said,
"look, by midnight tonight I can have that phone turned inside out and backwards...I know what it can do and I'm pretty sure I know its capabilities. Believe me when I say I can turn off the mobile data."
By then she was looking at me with a kinda of stunned expression, like nobody had ever challenged her. Probably didn't make it any better that there were other sales associates and customers standing around.
So she tried a different approach...by trying to sale my mom a case and car charger. I said mom, you can get one cheaper on line...to which the sales lady, in a desperate attempt, stated "you will void your warrenty using 3rd party chargers on your phone."
To which, I again, sighed and said with no malice or harm intended "no...it will void the warrenty if we fry the phone and you can prove we used a 3rd party charger."
By that time, I looked around and several of the other customers were watching our exchange, because it went back and forth for several minutes, like I was some kind of God or even a Demon. I dunno.
I could tell she was rattled and if nothing else I gave her a little learning not to assume that everybody who comes through the door is clueless. Maybe I was an ass/jerk but that really wasn't my intentions.
Your My Hero!
Haha, I hate listening to salespeople who have basically no clue what they are talking about and sometimes i throw out questions that I know for a fact that they cannot answer.
And wow, who would actually say using a third party charger will void your warranty... personally I would be embarrassed just to say that in my head.
Cool. Story. Bro.
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Your My Hero!
Haha, I hate listening to salespeople who have basically no clue what they are talking about and sometimes i throw out questions that I know for a fact that they cannot answer.
And wow, who would actually say using a third party charger will void your warranty... personally I would be embarrassed just to say that in my head.
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I had heard that before, but I don't know how they could prove it.
Nice one. Thanks for starting my day with a smile.
I can recall when I went to look for Atrix how the salesperson was telling some other customer that Inspire was a dual core and had 1 GB RAM. I was like with a "?" on my face and told him, it didn't, and that he was confused between Atrix and Inspire specs.
i had the same type of exchange when i went in for my inspire. I think they should really inform the employees a little better, or at least a little!
Sales ppl suck. I always tell them, Nicely but firmly. "Thank you, but I will inform you when I am ready to purchase." If they continue I let them know that I have things in hand and am not requesting thier service at this time.
It usually works. Sometimes I have to tell them, Please excuse us, but I know more about electronics then you and do not apprecaite your miscomunication.
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Sales ppl suck. I always tell them, Nicely but firmly. "Thank you, but I will inform you when I am ready to purchase." If they continue I let them know that I have things in hand and am not requesting thier service at this time.
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Yep, that's a prime example between salespersons that work on commission, and those that do not.
Rofl- ya I usually shut them dudes up real quick. Start talking about bootloaders and kernels, they'll back off
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Rofl- ya I usually shut them dudes up real quick. Start talking about bootloaders and kernels, they'll back off
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Funny story but remember the sales people need to make commission so they will try anything to make a sale. And they don't get the proper training as these phones are released I know because I used to be a sales rep for at&t therefore they look stupid to phone tech savvy people.
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Bootloader.... what you call my momma?
droe411 said:
Bootloader.... what you call my momma?
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Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!
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I do have to say that using a third party charger is not the best move. It won't void your warranty ( I work for ATT Corp.) but it does have a habit of destroying phones.
I usually say to people that you wouldn't want to run cheap wiring in your house so why would run cheap wiring from your car to your phone and risk frying both for something that is at most 20 bucks cheaper.
But that's just my 2cents.
There are differences in usb cables..... My wifes old Xperia X10 would burn up if I plugged in my Inspire's cable. Literally high temps and reboot.....
This is awesome! I feel the same exact way every time I go into that store. Last time I went in to upgrade my iPhone 3GS and I went in with it jailbroken and modded and themed to hell and the guy saw it and was like "WOAH! THATS SO COOL! WHAT IS THAT?" i told him it was an app as he proceeded to hand me the iPhone 4 lol
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I do have to say that using a third party charger is not the best move. It won't void your warranty ( I work for ATT Corp.) but it does have a habit of destroying phones.
I usually say to people that you wouldn't want to run cheap wiring in your house so why would run cheap wiring from your car to your phone and risk frying both for something that is at most 20 bucks cheaper.
But that's just my 2cents.
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Heh...well she shouldn't have assumed; I never stated we were ordering a 3rd party charger. I could have ordered a proprietary charger online...and perhaps a better price.
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Rofl- ya I usually shut them dudes up real quick. Start talking about bootloaders and kernels, they'll back off
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+1 i bought an inspire may 23rd and since then my aunt, uncle, other aunt, and my father have bought the same phone. I was with them each sale, what a major mindnumbing experience.. Radioshack was worse though, at best go to best buy, haven't had any problems with them and they do price match...
The reps at my store are actually pretty cool. When I went to get my inspire,the only thing he said was "if you want eye candy,sturdyness,great support and cool customization's then the inspire is for you. If you want better battery life or a future proof phone,then I'd go for the attic,but I've learned the consumer usually knows what they want if they walk in,and go straight for the high end phones" those were the exact words lol. Then i told him I would flash a ROM on the inspire to improve battery life and he was like yeah,that would work too and told me how he did the same with his captivated. The. Got his store manager to whip out his inspire,to show me the custom ROM he was running LOL. The reps here are all cool and never push for you to get something different then what you laid eyes on when you walked in the store. But its different with the Verizon store here. Every time I go in to pay my laptop bill they always trying to get me to add a line,and then i tell them how I would only consider there incredible 2,but wouldn't get it due to boot loaders being locked,and they would be like huh? So I'd be like,uhh I wouldn't be able to hack it. And they a rep said "well ya know,Verizon phones usually come with the best software period and no hack/mod will make it any better" I looked around like,umm you do know verizon owns the worst phone ever....the Droid x,rite? They just laughed and I left. But anyways,at&t here is awsome
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I do have to say that using a third party charger is not the best move. It won't void your warranty ( I work for ATT Corp.) but it does have a habit of destroying phones.
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If the charger doesn't have HTC written all over it, it's a 3rd party charger. The one I bought from AT&T has a USB port on it and the AT&T deathstar glows when plugged in. I do believe that's a "3rd party" charger.
There may be quality differences in construction of chargers but they're not that complicated since the phone is actually doing all the charging and battery monitoring.

Anyone Else LOVE their captivate?

I've had it for about a year now, and I love it.
Anyone else? Seems like a lot of people complaining about it.
GPS works fine for me.
samvillian said:
I've had it for about a year now, and I love it.
Anyone else? Seems like a lot of people complaining about it.
GPS works fine for me.
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I love mine. Mostly for the fact that I can customize it to how I specifically want it. And it seems that every piece of it IS customizable.
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I love mine. Mostly for the fact that I can customize it to how I specifically want it. And it seems that every piece of it IS customizable.
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Exactly why i love it. Plus the dev community is alive and kicking.
Never had any major issues i wasn't able to resolve.
I laugh when I see an iphone now.
Love mine. First phone in a long time that I actually feel I will have all the way until my next upgrade.
Other than the fact that GPS sucks, I love mine.
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Love mine. First phone in a long time that I actually feel I will have all the way until my next upgrade.
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aint that the dam truth
Very fond of mine as well.
Never lags behind any of my friend's phones, GPS is acceptable (though not excellent), screen is absolutely superb, and battery life since upgrading to Gingerbread has been wonderful.
Custom ROM and Kernel are a must however.
Not many 1 year old phones on the market that can still run with the front of the pack...
Had mine since day one. For the first time I can remember in the years I've been on att I am not counting days til early upgrade. I actually passed the upgrade date this week (I had an Aria and traded for captivate in the 30 days).
Now I can patiently wait for the SGS II with a year old phone I still love.
Sent from my Captivate running Continuum 5.6
My cappy ****S on all my other friends phones except for my buddy who also has one and lets me customize it for him!! The development for I897 just keeps growing and I love it.
I love both of mine...
Love mine, shame I'll be moving to sprint soon.
I'm still a big fan. Love is a little too strong a word. If the GPS was perfect it'd be the perfect phone. I still get remarks about how amazing the screen looks.
Missed out on being truly great because it is missing an LED notification light and a flash with the camera.
With those two features it would be unbeatable.
PS. My GPS locks in seconds with the newest Continuum.
Yep. First Android device I got. Love it.
Build quality especially.
Helped a friend to update his i9000 to ginger. Can't help noticing how solid the Cappy is.
Sent from my Captivate. Andromeda3, Onix 2.0.5, Matted Blues.
I agree that the one and only thing I'm jealous of the other phones is the Flash for the camera.
I've never had an issue with GPS though, oddly.
I can't think of any other faults though... I also hate the slider for the usb plug. I almost feel like taking the phone apart just to remove that piece. Anyone ever done that?
GPS works for general vicinity.....unfortunately its response time is atrocious.
I've been in downtown Atlanta attempting to locate "Cheetah Club" (not difficult to route to).....while you're on the Interstate, you will get repeated "Do a U-Turn" because you will pass your exit before the GPS ever updates. DOWNTOWN ATLANTA (it isn't like this isn't a technological hub). Our party had to resort to a Blackberry Curve (triangulation) GPS to get us there.
I've been in the Marigny in New Orleans (off Frenchmen) trying to find my car on Touro and Royal (this is actually a unique intersection)......taking 40 minutes of walking around near midnight from St.Claude to Chartres to locate one specific spot (routing GPS) before giving up and just trying to just figure it out on my own (without the phone's GPS).
**and yes, this is with ALL THE GPS 'fixes' enabled.
The GPS works adequately if you're trying to route you to a large destination (city to city), but you're up the creek for inner city navigation.
This phone is a pile of **** and an afront to consumers. Out-of-the-box, you're screwed. With rooting and several improvement modifications, the phone is possibly serviceable. This device is FAR FROM being an acceptable product, let alone an ideal (love) device.
^Trade it in and why did you buy it^
definitely love. Once rooted and customized i still think its one of the top 3 out there and still the best att option.
Be hard to go back to another screen.
Run alot and do martial arts so i take a lot of soaking baths to recover......not only has it worked great as an mp3 player for runs i have recently been using it at home on wifi + netflix to catch up on TV shows while soaking. The picture quality for watching TV/movies is unparalleled when it comes to other smartphones.
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^Trade it in and why did you buy it^
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can't handle the truth?
* bought it because - not many decent Androids to purchase w/ ATT back in Nov '10 and unrealistic reviews posted on forums like these from delusional fans
* I'll upgrade (after purchasing the phone in Dec '10) soon enough.
* if the device requires a great deal of modifications to make it operational -then it isn't a good device.
The AMOLED screen is great. the Camera isn't bad (the fact that it doesn't have a flash actually is nice). The audio/speaker/headphone output sucks balls even with VooDoo overrides, though
first phone i love
ive had the: tmobile dash; tmobile mda 2; blackberry 7105t; tmobile g1; iphone 3g; blackberry 8820; nokia surge; and a few others i cant remember. this is the first phone ive had for this long. got it the first day it was out last july. my upgrade is in a few weeks but theres nothing out there that i would upgrade to at this point. when the galaxy s2 comes out then this will be used for developement. ive sold every other phone ive had but i wont sell this one this is my baby. im new to the flashing and all but im enjoying all that you can learn to do with this phone. btw my gps works great; im a truck driver and used to drive cross country and after i crushed one of my captivates by running it over with a truck the replacement is excellent.

Not really a smart phone

Samsung Galaxy S II plus is probably the worst phone I've ever had. In it's time of course. But certainly and by far the worst of the three smart phones I've had. Or I can't really call it a smart phone because it wasn't exactly smart. I mean the look was fine. But that was about it. Before the S2 I had a SONY Experia Mini Pro which I found rather nice. But after it had died - as a Mac user I thought of iPhone and considered it unjustifiably expensive. Over the top. So I looked around, read all the reviews and bought the S2. That's where the drag started. And it went on for another three months! It never broke down it never froze but it never really worked or delivered results either. There always seemed to be some inexplicable BUT. As someone used to the indulgent efficiency of Apple products I couldn't bear it any longer. Some three day ago a good man replied to my advertisement - with a deep relief I gave him the S2 and 120€ and he gave me a worn-out iPhone 4s. All the problems I'd have with the tiam-tun somehow miraculously evaporated the first night and I woke up into new days without a device that never really works, presumably speaks some outlandish language you just can't understand, which keeps being a nuisance and is not much of use.
Yes it cannot make coffee... it cannot help me to shave...neither helps me to get ready I m so unhappy...a dumb phone indeed.. my to be wife is much smarter
+1 =))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) very bad that this smart cannot even buy a products =((
doctor_droid said:
Yes it cannot make coffee... it cannot help me to shave...neither helps me to get ready I m so unhappy...a dumb phone indeed.. my to be wife is much smarter
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Dear apple fanboy.
S2 Plus is a BUDGET PHONE. iPhone is a Premium class phone. Do not expect miracle from phone worth 200$
No comparisons
doctor_droid said:
Yes it cannot make coffee... it cannot help me to shave...neither helps me to get ready I m so unhappy...a dumb phone indeed.. my to be wife is much smarter
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You're absolutely right - it does not make coffee, it does not help me to shave, neither does it help me to get ready. I don't need, want nor expect it to. Do you? Or do you know a phone that does that? I certainly wouldn't want one. Anyway, there' s only one crucial mistake in what you're saying - I'm not at all unhappy - you see I've sold the Samsung. And bought an iPhone. But I'm actually quite the opposite of what you're suggesting - I don't play games on my iPhone or Macs - not even "social media" games - in fact I use very few apps. I don't even use my iPhone to tell me the time - I use a proper wristwatch. I don't even use my iPhone to wake me up - at night it's switched off and the role of waking me up is left to my alarm clock. But yes - I do expect my phone to phone. And text and direct me to places and remind me things, generate bank codes for internet banking, take and send pictures and that's about it. And I do expect the device to do it in a smooth way. That's why I'm happy with iPhone - there are no other reasons. By the way you're saying that your wife to be is much smarter than me? How do you know? Anyway it's so rare and therefore interesting to hear that from an Indian man.
The problem with nearly all active Apple haters is that they have a very hazy picture of the object they so passionately talk about. They've never used one. They just assume. They see the people queuing up for the latest Apple product in the news and assume that this is the Apple user. Envy flies high. The reason why Apple products keep their value over time so much is that they keep on serving you. I bought my iMac, MacBook and iPhone all second hand.
When a friend of mine years ago bought iPhone and kept telling me how wonderful it was I thought: "What's the deal - it's just a phone" - I didn't understand. It took me years to buy a smart phone - SONY Experia Mini Pro. And I thought: "What a brilliant thing to have". Then I bought the Samsung and the fight started. Had no option. Eventually I bought an iPhone and only then understood that other "smart phones" are just copies of the original. But just like me - you wouldn't believe or understand until you use one yourself. It's the same story you get with Apple computers…
Quite recently a university I know were given some EU grant for which they bought 50 MacBooks for the teachers, most of whom had presumably used Windows computers. Do you know what happened? There were 48 happy teachers. Two got back to Windows. 4%. And that's that. Save up and buy one - there's about 96% chance you'll love it the way Apple users love their device. It's beyond words…
It's not the design, it's not the apple, it's not the numbers. My father - when I showed him the iPhone and said something about the camera - asked me how many pixels it had. I said I had no idea. Then I showed him a picture and he went "Oh yeah." That's the story with Apple products - they are for those who don't care about the numbers and technical stuff - they are for people who are after what it does.
After I started using my iMac I entirely forgot I had a computer. I'm not interested in it the slightest bit. The device itself has ceased to exist. Never lets me know it's there either. No breakdowns, no moans. But what has come is work I'm now able to do. Suddenly I'm able to do much more work, in much better style and much higher quality. The device has completely vanished from sight. Suddenly I happen to have the capacity. Which in part had previously been given to the device. Now it's mine. Long gone are the times when I had to phone someone all the time being unable figure out how it's done. No more Windows, no more Android. No - never again - thanks! I want to use a tool which works for me, not against me.
michal80 said:
Dear apple fanboy.
S2 Plus is a BUDGET PHONE. iPhone is a Premium class phone. Do not expect miracle from phone worth 200$
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I'm not a blind Apple fan. I don't care what the name is. I don't care about the apple. I'd be perfectly happy with a different brand. In fact I have recently given back an Apple product because it was not doing what it was supposed to. In fact I had bought two other "smart phones" before the Apple. And I quite liked the SONY. It's only thanks to the fact that the SONY died and the Samsung so heavily failed. It's not about the brand. Not at all. And nor about price…
I certainly didn't expect miracles from the Samsung phone. But I didn't expect it to be as bad as it was either. I bought an iPhone 4s for as low as 240€ and can say that compared to the overpriced copy it indeed is a miracle - I certainly never imagined it to be this good. It's like going from a Windows PC to an iMac - first you can't believe it. Pull your socks up and save up for one - you won't be disappointed.

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