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windows mobile devs could OC same CPU as magic's CPU to 800Mghz

hey guys,
I saw winmo devs OCing this same Magic's CPU up to 800Mhz with great performance boost.
any one could reach same with android OS so far?
URL: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7461
thnx!

first off, the touch pro 2 isn't a magic. at all.
second of all, this is completely wrong forum. please read rules.
third, it probably never will happen. someone did it a while back and there was a huge debate about whether it worked or not and it was finally confirmed that it didn't work.

I can't find the word magic anywhere in there!!! Damnitt!!
so it leads to this question,
How did you come to the assumption that you could OC the magic when nothing about the magic is there?

The cpu is the same on the magic...

Deviser said:
The cpu is the same on the magic...
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yup thats why I've asked...thanks!

Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630450

Rugga said:
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630450
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It's a shame that project died. I really believe that it's possible if the right person would try cause it already worked on a lot of phones. I used to clock my Omnia at 800Mhz which gave it a great boost and there was no real battery drain. They've also managed to clock the N900 cpu at 1Ghz:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39753

renegadEEE said:
It's a shame that project died. I really believe that it's possible if the right person would try cause it already worked on a lot of phones. I used to clock my Omnia at 800Mhz which gave it a great boost and there was no real battery drain. They've also managed to clock the N900 cpu at 1Ghz:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39753
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indeed sad :/ could give us nexus cpu power on magic if some one could work this out....

rommark said:
indeed sad :/ could give us nexus cpu power on magic if some one could work this out....
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No, it wouldn't. You're buying into the megahertz myth. The magic has a ARM11 (ARMv6) chip, whereas the N1 has a Cortex (ARMv7). It's more like a P3 against a P4 - the clockspeeds may match, but the performance is still going to be off. Not to mentium ARMv7 has a bunch of new instructions (NEON), that are not present on the v6. And the GPU still wouldn't support OpenGL ES 2.0. It may speed things up sure, but it wouldn't really matter.

sadly it's not the cpu preventing me from overclocking it! it's the software in the phone, the pll's are defined in the spl and it would take i SIGNIFICANT skill of hexing and backporting to do something about them! and by the way it would almost certainly brick the phone! i'm sorry guys the only thing i ever was able to play a litlle with was some parameters giving a little better gpu performance, but it's unstable

Nintendo DS Roms for android?

Hey guys, Ive been doing a little bit of reading on roms, and ive managed to get hold of Gameboid, which is a emulator for the android found on the market. Ive put the GBA, emulator on, but really wanted a Nintendo DS.
Does any one know if one exist?, I Have a Sony Ericsson X10 ..
Thanks

duffy1807 said:
Hey guys, Ive been doing a little bit of reading on roms, and ive managed to get hold of Gameboid, which is a emulator for the android found on the market. Ive put the GBA, emulator on, but really wanted a Nintendo DS.
Does any one know if one exist?, I Have a Sony Ericsson X10 ..
Thanks
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not that i know of.

there won't be a ds emulator for a looong time. the screen size would be too small to fit the two screens + on screen buttons. Maybe it can fit into the evo4g

would the phone's hardware even be able to play ds games at a steady framerate? i wouldn't think so, but what do i know.

yeah there is one i have it but with no games cause i dont know where to get them just go to you're browser and type: market.ltiger.cn/demo/nds ; and theres a download link there but as i said i dont know where to get the games im doing my research so ill reply when i find out

Yes there is one.. But with current hardware its pretty useless.. Other than for developmental uses.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA App

TigerDS exists but its nothing more than a tech demo atm.
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

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It would be fun to play Animal Crossing on my phone!

The general rule is to emulate a gaming system you need x10 the power of the device.
Ram wise the original nintendoDS has very little. I tink I worked it out once and figured that some higher end phones would be capable hardware wise to handle running nds roms (.nds files) but due to the fact we only have one screen, which on many devices isn't big enuf to split it mightnt be practical.
Ever heard of the kyochera echo? Google it. That would be one phone which would be ideal fr nds emulation. . . .but afaik its hardware specs are abit dissapointing so power wise it mightnt be able to handle it.
EDIT: but for tabs, (galaxy tab, ipad, xoom etc) it might be an ideal and realistic project . . .

Jandyman said:
The general rule is to emulate a gaming system you need x10 the power of the device.
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This is quite not true. It all matters on how well you program the emulator and on what hardware you are emulating on.
You see, it would really actually be possible to run NDS games even on lowest end Android phones. NDS is running on ARM9 and ARM7 processors (ARM9 being 67MHz, and ARM7 being 34MHz). And most of the Android phones are running on ARM9 chips, but at clearly much faster speeds. I don't think there are Android phones that go lower than 600MHz, so probably all Android phones should be able to run it. The main problem lies within programming issues.

bladez said:
This is quite not true. It all matters on how well you program the emulator and on what hardware you are emulating on.
You see, it would really actually be possible to run NDS games even on lowest end Android phones. NDS is running on ARM9 and ARM7 processors (ARM9 being 67MHz, and ARM7 being 34MHz). And most of the Android phones are running on ARM9 chips, but at clearly much faster speeds. I don't think there are Android phones that go lower than 600MHz, so probably all Android phones should be able to run it. The main problem lies within programming issues.
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Well that's true to a point, but for example no matter how well you program your emulator our fones won't be able to handle psp emulation . . . . So the x10 isn't a 'hard/set in stone rule' but more a guidline to keep us within the realms of reasonable possibility. I didn't come up with it but I'm quoting what I was told on another forum where this was brought up
Even taking this into account nds emulation is still more then possible on 'most' android fones if we can overlook the screen space issue.
Also does the huawei U8150 not have a 528mhz processor?
(I'm running android off a tp2 (also 528mhz). Off a build based on the huawei's rom and it was used because of the hardware similarities ie same processor speed)
Also I'm sure there are some lower end eclair/donut and lower android phones which would also be 528.

XT720 Motoroli performance issue

In my opinion, the XT720 is a piece of junk. I'll take the Galaxy S over the XT720 any day. As far as "hacking" goes, you can only root it, overclock it, install app2sd, and install JIT. There are no custom ROMs because of the locked bootloader. The phone isn't smooth at all even when overclocked at 1000 MHz (Unless you have like two homescreens and 1 widget). The only good thing about this phone is that it has a 8MP camera with Xenon flash. Take note on spiderx_mm's post, he has everything covered.
If you'd like, I'll sell you my XT720 if you're in the Toronto or Ottawa area. It's lightly used and has no scuffs or knicks.

Beako said:
In my opinion, the XT720 is a piece of junk. I'll take the Galaxy S over the XT720 any day. As far as "hacking" goes, you can only root it, overclock it, install app2sd, and install JIT. There are no custom ROMs because of the locked bootloader. The phone isn't smooth at all even when overclocked at 1000 MHz (Unless you have like two homescreens and 1 widget). The only good thing about this phone is that it has a 8MP camera with Xenon flash. Take note on spiderx_mm's post, he has everything covered.
If you'd like, I'll sell you my XT720 if you're in the Toronto or Ottawa area. It's lightly used and has no scuffs or knicks.
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u proof me wrong dude!..here my 7 home screen...

The XT720 is quite laggy even at 1000MHz. I absolutely despise this phone.

Hi heat my XT720 all ppl have 2.2 yeah all and my XT720 don't even Moto think to get it out i have post to Moto on facebook and i say to do them i heat Moto and even my friends thy never will buy Moto what ever the do if thy give it for me for free i will not take it i have order Nexus S so bye Moto for ever ...........

This phone is a piece of ****. Im using a motoroi(korean version of Milestone) this phone is slow as hell on 2.1. After waiting for how many months this is what i got? All i got is a hotspot tha i dont use. I expect sonething new or speed boost. Speed boost especially. But its getting worst. F.... This phone. I tried all the tweaks. I even overclocked it to 1.2 ghz. But the phone just reboot randomly. Now im using it just for sms and call. Even during a call its so annoying that the screen was so sensitive the i always touched the mute button accidentally..

That's weird. You say you have Motoroi, but the Motoroi has 2.2 atm. Please explain
I totally love this phone. It's the best phone I had to date (I swear). Especially the camera rocks and unlike others, it works extremely good here and no pixels at all like some suggest
I don't care for 2.1 to be honest. 2.2 is a free update so if they don't wanna give it, then fine, I don't care. I don't need 2.2 anyway. If there would be a reason to have 2.2, then I say it's for the apps 2 SD, 'cause my internal memory is almost full So I leave it to Dexter to make an awesome 2.2 ROM and count me in as a tester for the rom (-hint- MotoBlur is awesome -hint- )

I mean the phone is slow on 2.1. I thought that they fix it on 2.2. Yah its weird that`s what i thought when i got tjis phone. But my korean friend has a galaxy s. And i played with it. Man! My motoroi was way far than this. Anyway maybe im wrong. Maybe the milestone model was more faster than motoroi.

jakelights said:
I mean the phone is slow on 2.1. I thought that they fix it on 2.2. Yah its weird that`s what i thought when i got tjis phone. But my korean friend has a galaxy s. And i played with it. Man! My motoroi was way far than this. Anyway maybe im wrong. Maybe the milestone model was more faster than motoroi.
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I'm not sure what the issue is. I have my XT720 (NA version) overclocked to 1000mhz on 58 vsel and find it to be quite stable and speedy (I also have JIT installed). My experience that anything over 1000mhz begins to get unstable and you have to jack the vsel way up (more battery usage). Also, replacing the homescreen launcher really helped (Launcher Pro, ADW, etc) because the stock one really kind of sucks.
If my carrier comes out with the Nexus S in March as the rumour is - I might move over to that as I'm sure it will continue to be supported and none of the this 'staying on 2.1' BS will happen. But we'll see if and when my carrier does that...and how much it will cost.

Riley600 said:
If my carrier comes out with the Nexus S in March as the rumour is - I might move over to that as I'm sure it will continue to be supported and none of the this 'staying on 2.1' BS will happen. But we'll see if and when my carrier does that...and how much it will cost.
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$700 to $800 CDN
$699.99 at best
now back on topic, the XT720 at 1000 Mhz runs really nice, even on stock 720 Mhz runs good with Launcher PRO or Go Launcher EX
heavy 3D games runs fast, everything else runs great
so i really have no idea of those 3 people that have complained about the phone.
they might have not configured something right

Indeed AllGamer.
The phone is really fast here when overclocked to 800 Mhz or 1000 Mhz. Angry Birds lags somewhat at 800, but at 1000 is runs great. Also HD Video Recording runs the best at 1000 Mhz, but I don't care. Also, I noticed that when HD Video Recording at 1000, the battery doesn't use more than at stock. And 800 also doesn't use more overall.
I really love this phone and I won't be selling it for a long time (and my next one will also be a Motorola, I'm a Motorola-fan for years now, although I had a few other phones though between my previous Motorola and this one).
So people: please configure it right, 'cause this thing is really speedy when overclocked

I have to admit, that my xt720 runs absolutely fine..angry birds and any other game i've tested are totally smooth - only hd-video recording becomes a bit stuttering ( is this correct english? ^^) sometimes. And until now no JIT or apps2sd is installed
Sent from my Milestone XT720 using XDA App

wat nid to imporved in xt720 froyo is:
- camera software (increase img quality)
- custom kernel (enable swap space, prepare for future games)
- greater space for cache (enable installation of battle bears -1.apk)
- stock oc to 1.1ghz (battery life can extended by setcpu)
- DEfy's stock music player
- xda xt720 special bootscreen (required a talented graphic designer)
xt720 ll be perfect..

wrong thread...sorry.

It's possible that the Motoroi is not as stable as the XT720 at 1GHz. The XT720 has a TI OMAP3440 (officially rated 800MHz) and the Motoroi has an TI OMAP3430 (officially rated 600MHz).

Stay away from this phone. The small memoy 256MB is really laggy when you have more than 1 widgets and/or running multiple applications (running overclock at 1000 already). Also, 2.1.... who would want a smartphone that doesnt keep up? Not exactly smart is i?

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Stay away from this phone. The small memoy 256MB is really laggy when you have more than 1 widgets and/or running multiple applications (running overclock at 1000 already). Also, 2.1.... who would want a smartphone that doesnt keep up? Not exactly smart is i?
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Trolling?
Seriously, the memormy may be small, but you're exaggerating here. It's not laggy at all with more than 1 widget and multiple apps open (even w/o overclock). And 2.1, alright, but Dexter is working on the 2.2 port and he's gonna throw out a bèta one of these days. So 2.2 is on it's way and if the kexec crack starts to work good, then we could also have newer android versions later this year. So updates are not a problem for now.
To the TS I'd say: throw away that Wave and get yourself the XT720 It's a really good Android-phone and like AllGamer says: not the top of the line, but it sure can keep up and the camera is really good, hardware too and it just does what it does and that's what a phone needs to do IMHO: do what it does.
But indeed, check the MHz to see if it's compatible.

With JIT, we beat stock Samsung Galaxy. It is unfortunate to be cheated by Motorola, but this phone is a good piece of hardware and sure a head-turner. I have done what Link2SD did, move apks to an "ext3" partition of SD card, and with 1GHz OC, it feels snappy all the way.
I won't recommend someone to buy it new (just because of Moto's stupidity), but if happen to have it, do not regret.

i've been using xt720 for almost 4 months and before that i used milestone, galaxy s and some of LG and sony devices from friends... i can tell u the best touch-screen is in Moto(after apple ofcourse), the hardware is awsome, screen is a REAL scratchresist, the cover is strong and the backside cover is stable + looks classy. software is android as u know and always getting improved(we're about to have froyo from dexter-thnx to him-with all other functions). the speed? it workes so fine withOUT oc. for HD record or even faster actions u can OC it to 1ghz without any problem and even with oc battery life is almost same! besides that, if u turn off all wifi-3g and other web connections and 3d games stop showing ads inside nothing has lags at all!!
if u dont know how to use a new device, dont say bad things about it!

i have samsung galaxy spica (i5700) which has only 168mb of ram and 800mhz processor clock,with several widget its still running well,still has a smooth scrolling,compare with xt720,xt720 device is fastest than samsung spica although its has only 50mb of free ram on system

[Q] 1.6 Ghz OC cpu damage?

hi all, i was just wondering, will OCing my captivate to 1.6 Ghz damage the CPU?
thanks!

stewi21 said:
hi all, i was just wondering, will OCing my captivate to 1.6 Ghz damage the CPU?
thanks!
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Couple of things for you:
First, I doubt your device will run stable at 1.6 GHz. Most Galaxy S-type devices won't run stable above 1.4 GHz, and while some do, only a very lucky few can run at 1.6 GHz.
Second, yes, you can damage your CPU doing that. Higher clock speed = more heat generated & more time at higher voltages. That means more chance of doing physical hardware damage to your device.
That being said... you are *probably* not likely to do harm to your device if you overclock to 1.6 (and it manages to be stable) and you aren't running benchmarks 24/7.
I think the real question for you, is why would you want to run your device that fast? If you want high benchmark scores to impress your friends, just cheat Quadrant, way easier, and less chance of causing problems. If your device is so unresponsive at it's current speed, then find a different ROM/software setup.
1.6 GHz should never really be necessary.

oh okay, it hasnt actually arrived yet, i was thinking it would help running games meant for dual core procs.
thanks for the reply!

stewi21 said:
oh okay, it hasnt actually arrived yet, i was thinking it would help running games meant for dual core procs.
thanks for the reply!
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Take a look at Chainfire3d with the Nvidia module.
Long story short, all of the current "dual core" phones are running Tegra2. But Tegra2 GPU <= Hummingbird GPU.
Problem is, games optimized for the Tegra will have a harder time running on our PowerVR. Not because of graphics horsepower, but because of specific optimization done by the programmers.
Chainfire's driver deal should help with that, in fact there is a thread floating around here somewhere with all the files you need.
PS Don't worry about those dual cores phones beating up on your little Captivate. Once you get it rooted, loaded up with a custom ROM and kernel, and running Gingerbread, I think you'll find none of the competition comes close...

I tried 1.6 ghz once and it was like insta-freeze. I'm very stable at 1.4 though.
Samsung Captivate running Paragon RC6 with 1.4ghz kernel.
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Sensation thread open at Fpse forum

The sensation setion on Fpse (PS1 emulator) has be opened today
http://www.fpsece.net/forum2/viewforum.php?f=44
Every feedback of Fpse running on the HTC Sensation is welcome !
So far, I'm not really happy with the results, it seems that an Xplay defeats my Sensation, so I'm sure there's a lot of space for optimization here!
I definitly hope Schtruck will have a look at it
I guess Fpse uses only one core so far, that's the only explaination I can find.
Every info, feedback, opinion, experience might be useful
Thanks !

99% android apps dont take advantage out of the additional core. And it will take some time until they do because they have to be programed differently. So i guess for an emulator like FPSE your performance should be about the same as on a DesireHD with singlecore 1.2ghz.
But then the Xperia Play has the about the same hardware as the DHD so i dont know :/
What games do you have fps issues with? I run almost everything at full speed that i tried (TombRaider 3, Ridge Racer, FF7, Resident Evil) on my DesireHD at 1.1ghz.

I know Schtruck has better results for Tekken 3, with screen filtering ON, with his Xplay
(tekken 3 has always been my reference for test, since 2009, when I was beta testing with my Omnia 1 i900 )
I remember when we started to have multitouch on the HD2, firts with Morphgear, then for FpseCE, when originally the HD2 only supported pinch to zoom, and the OS was not supposed to handle multitouch.......
So now we have a dual core device, the OS doesn't support dual core except for a few HTC homebrews? I hope devs will manage to fix all this, it's kind of the same situation, having to bypass a limitation due to the OS using what HTC did for some apps

It will come eventually. But implementing working dualcore support isnt an easy thing to do from what i've heard^^ Its not the same thing as using multitouch.
Even on PC where multicore is established for years, support is still very basic. But im not a programmer so maybe someone else could explain it in details or use the mighty google.

I know how to use google, don't worry, but I've also seen many miracles since I've been in smartphones world, like for example playing tekken 2 full speed on a 624mhz CPU and no GPU or graphic chip, and I now cross my fingers.