This has been something that I have been wondering for a while.
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because OTAs will remove root, and screw up the recovery and most likely b0rk the rom
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because OTAs will remove root, and screw up the recovery and most likely b0rk the rom
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That is not what I meant. I meant why can't rom developers send there own OTA's so the rom can pick up on them and download it Over The Air.
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That is not what I meant. I meant why can't rom developers send there own OTA's so the rom can pick up on them and download it Over The Air.
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I suppose they could if they really wanted to, but it isnt that hard to plug into a computer and just flash an update from your ROM maker.
I think roms in the past have tried it before, just didnt end up working out I think
Doesn't ROM Mgr sort of do this already? Track new ROMs and updates for you and let you download and flash them?
yeah basically ROM manager is quite literally getting an OTA update from your specific ROM developer. i see what you mean that you dont get a pop up from them. but for all purposes, you check rom manager for a new version, download it, and it flashes it for you automatically, all OTA.
Oh, this is too funny. I normally wouldn't bother, but I just watched this Cyanogen Mod V7 Preview demo video on youtube, and at the 3:42 mark he shows the screen that allows you to enable OTA notification of ROM updates.
So, the answer to the OP is that they can, it's just most don't choose to for one reason or another...
Correct. The latest CyanogenMOD 7 Alpha 2-2 released January 6, 2011 for the Nexus S now has an OTA option.
Well I need to look through the rom more and the reason I do not like rom manager is because I do not want to pay $5 just for that but thanks everyone here.
tominater12 said:
Well I need to look through the rom more and the reason I do not like rom manager is because I do not want to pay $5 just for that but thanks everyone here.
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If you're using CM7 Alpha (latest), go to Settings then CyanogenMOD Settings, and it's there on top "Update Notifications"
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Well I need to look through the rom more and the reason I do not like rom manager is because I do not want to pay $5 just for that but thanks everyone here.
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I paid the $5 as a thank you to Koush for all his development support of the devices I own, not for the features of it - I hardly use it at all.
I do however use his CWM recovery, his root instructions and files, and he's the main dev for Cyanogen Mod on the NS. Several of my phones are much better experiences because of his work. He doesn't ask for direct donations, he just says "if you like my work, please buy one of my apps."
YMMV.
This is the first time I have actually used a koush rom but I do see where you are coming from. I just thought that titanium backup and root explorer were better deals.
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I paid the $5 as a thank you to Koush for all his development support of the devices I own, not for the features of it - I hardly use it at all.
I do however use his CWM recovery, his root instructions and files, and he's the main dev for Cyanogen Mod on the NS. Several of my phones are much better experiences because of his work. He doesn't ask for direct donations, he just says "if you like my work, please buy one of my apps."
YMMV.
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Hello all this is my first post here. I have a question in regard to Rom Manager on the Transformer running 3.1. When I go into Rom Manager and click on backup rom, it asks me to install ClockworkMod Recovery. That isn't a problem except when I click Install it asks for me to confirm the phone model. Which phone should I select that will allow me to use backup on the transformer? There are so many different ones to choose from. lol
Thank you!
I may be wrong but I don't think ROM Manager is compatible with the TF...
Well crap that stinks. I hope that in the future there will be support for the TF.
i dont. rom manager sucks.
Zepius said:
i dont. rom manager sucks.
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Why does it suck? The creator of ROM manager is responsible for creating Clockwork Recovery.
The TF101 Clockwork Recovery still uses his code. All the person did was port it to the TF101 but official support has not been supported as of yet.
zephiK said:
Why does it suck? The creator of ROM manager is responsible for creating Clockwork Recovery.
The TF101 Clockwork Recovery still uses his code. All the person did was port it to the TF101 but official support has not been supported as of yet.
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because it works 1/2 the time?
CWR is ok, but rom manager is just crap.
Zepius said:
because it works 1/2 the time?
CWR is ok, but rom manager is just crap.
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Half of the time? On TF101, it has no support. On the devices, I've owned.. I've had NO problems with ROM manager. It's very helpful for beginners.
I personally don't really use it but to flash ROM Manager.
But I 100% disagree with you that ROM Manager sucks. And the fact that ROM Manager Premium is a top five paid app, more than 80%+ of the Android community disagrees with you.
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Half of the time? On TF101, it has no support. On the devices, I've owned.. I've had NO problems with ROM manager. It's very helpful for beginners.
I personally don't really use it but to flash ROM Manager.
But I 100% disagree with you that ROM Manager sucks. And the fact that ROM Manager Premium is a top five paid app, more than 80%+ of the Android community disagrees with you.
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considering on my OG droid its mangled every rom downloaded from it and sometimes refuses to do a backup when i tell it to? yeah i think its crap. you can disagree all you want... but i will always think its crap.
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considering on my OG droid its mangled every rom downloaded from it and sometimes refuses to do a backup when i tell it to? yeah i think its crap. you can disagree all you want... but i will always think its crap.
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Ever thought it wasn't the app and that it was your phone? It's a very outdated phone and its way past its generation.
Whatever you say, ROM manager & Clockwork Manager are made by the same person. So yeah, have fun trying to bash him but at the end of the day. You're still using his work
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Ever thought it wasn't the app and that it was your phone? It's a very outdated phone and its way past its generation.
Whatever you say, ROM manager & Clockwork Manager are made by the same person. So yeah, have fun trying to bash him but at the end of the day. You're still using his work
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Edit: forget it. its like arguing with a wall.
dont dispute my opinions again.
I agree with zephik on this one, rom manager is a great tool for people with updated as well as outdated phones. I think the creator deserves payment from google for what he has given all of us android users. I got the paid version as soon as i realized what it was capable of doing.
Just my opinion, don't hate on me for it please.
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Rom manager works great on my g2. On my evo thats a different story. Amon_ra all the way for that device.
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How can you get into Clockwork recovery if not through Rom Manager?
Rom manager works flawlessly on my Nexus one
Being that so many DEV guy's are crapping on ROM Manager should I be requesting a refund from the ROM Manager owners as I had purchased this a while ago and if it is no good then I want my money back for purchasing a flawed product. Thoughts?
Blackberrynomore said:
Being that so many DEV guy's are crapping on ROM Manager should I be requesting a refund from the ROM Manager owners as I had purchased this a while ago and if it is no good then I want my money back for purchasing a flawed product. Thoughts?
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unfortunately I feel you won't get your money back...the refund terms are very specific and clearly outlined
the dev guys aren't crapping on it..it is crap
seriously though...coming from other devices..NO ONE uses it lol
I was shocked that so many around here don't know how to manually flash something from recovery
Blackberrynomore said:
Being that so many DEV guy's are crapping on ROM Manager should I be requesting a refund from the ROM Manager owners as I had purchased this a while ago and if it is no good then I want my money back for purchasing a flawed product. Thoughts?
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It's not that it's a bad produce per-se, it's that it hasn't been updated to work with the Infuse correctly. For THAT reason most devs dump on it. The other related reason is that it's not really a necessity item. It's more a convenience that for most, becomes more inconvenient. ;-)
Is there a thread that gives the steps to flash a ROM without ROM manager. I got it but not really sure I could again.
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Is there a thread that gives the steps to flash a ROM without ROM manager. I got it but not really sure I could again.
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Just about all the ROM download threads have instructions for you.
Boot into recovery, wipe what you need to wipe, tell it to install a zip, done.
It's not hard to do at all.
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unfortunately I feel you won't get your money back...the refund terms are very specific and clearly outlined
the dev guys aren't crapping on it..it is crap
seriously though...coming from other devices..NO ONE uses it lol
I was shocked that so many around here don't know how to manually flash something from recovery
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I actually learned how to flash manually first before trying ROM Manager. I just liked it because of the convenience. No real big advantage to using it over the manual method just more convenient.
This recovery every one is speaking of, could it be the one created by Koush? Personally. Rom manager has been a great asset to me. It's like any other peice of code. It won't always behave the same way across a broad range of device's. I have no knowledge of cooking roms or writing code, but is it really necessary to make thread just to flame something? If you don't like it don't use it.
My 2¢.
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This recovery every one is speaking of, could it be the one created by Koush? Personally. Rom manager has been a great asset to me. It's like any other peice of code. It won't always behave the same way across a broad range of device's. I have no knowledge of cooking roms or writing code, but is it really necessary to make thread just to flame something? If you don't like it don't use it.
My 2¢.
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Everyone uses Koush's Clockworkmod Recovery. The problem is that ROM Manager insists on using a crippled version of Clockworkmod ("green" CWM) that doesn't play nice with Voodoo Lagfix.
The problem is that instead of accessing whatever recovery the system comes with, ROM Manager insists on going to an "alternate" recovery (known as "green" CWM) which is crippled compared to the recovery included with almost all alternate kernels. Green CWM used to flash on any device with active Voodoo Lagfix = softbricked phone. It creates way too many support requests to developers, and also there's the issue I previously stated where downloading ROMs through ROM Manager causes people to go to ROM threads and not read the first post.
As to "if you don't like it, don't use it" - I don't, neither do any of the other devs. But other people do and we get all sorts of ridiculous support requests because of people who are too lazy to read threads on XDA, they want their ROMs spoonfed to them with ROM Manager.
Thanks for expanding my knowledge on the subject,
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Apex rom
Hey everyone, question for you.
I'm running the Apex Rom and when I play my music, I can't forward or pause the music and when I try to forward or pause it, it FC.
Is anyone running this rom and don't have any problems playing music?
any feedbacks will be appreciated. Thx
I got my MTS4G last week. I rooted my phone before I installed anything. I wanted the ability to use my full version of Titanium. In this I suceeded.
BUT
When I tried to use my copy of ROM Manager, it will not let me do anything with it because I need the Clockwork Mod. My phone is not listed.
Here, I keep seeing references to MoDaCo.
When I had my G2, I rooted with a long process through adb then updated back and forth with ROM Manager. Mostly I had the CM7 nightlies.
Now, there is nothing for my new (replacement) phone. Just saw a new one posted yesterday but it needs MoDaCo to install.
So, where do I go from here?
Instructions on how to get the recovery is in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179125
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Instructions on how to get the recovery is in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179125
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That's really just the Modaco recovery. There is no "official" koush ClockworkMod Recovery for the MT4GS. And there is still not yet support for the MT4GS in ROM Manager so you're not going to see your device there yet. Just keep your eyes peeled, sooner or later we'll get full official support once they realize how kick ass this device truly is!
Agreed. New devices don't always have full dev support right off the bat. It usually takes a couple of months before CWM supports a device and another month or two before it sees CM.
so there is still hope we will be supported officially? I am s-off and rooted, I have been waiting to do the same to my boyfriend's phone, because he has no experience dealing with any small problems that may come up, like the charging issue. I am hoping by getting supported with an "official" recovery he will let me root his phone, and CM7 would be awesome....still waiting on the kernel though....
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so there is still hope we will be supported officially? I am s-off and rooted, I have been waiting to do the same to my boyfriend's phone, because he has no experience dealing with any small problems that may come up, like the charging issue. I am hoping by getting supported with an "official" recovery he will let me root his phone, and CM7 would be awesome....still waiting on the kernel though....
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I mean there's some hope. We had word that koush was working on an official recovery but I haven't heard anything in a long time from anyone so who knows. If he doesn't know how to handle any issues that may come up then you'd be better off not rooting his phone honestly. The kernel will come out eventually but probably another month or so. CM7 will be a while too, as there aren't many devs out there that care about our phone - which is unfortunate cause it's such a beast. But for the meantime there are some great stock(ish) ROMs in the dev section and the support for them is incredible!
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But for the meantime there are some great stock(ish) ROMs in the dev section and the support for them is incredible!
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I think UndeadK9 posts here in his sleep he's here so often!
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Noooooooo.........Zzzzzzzzzzzz oh sorry fell asleep. Zzzzzzzzz sh*t I did it again.
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Im putting this here because im wondering if its an issue specific to this device?
Rom Manager ... when i was on my dInc there seemed to be a ton of ROMs available to download from RM.
Now i have this device, but it seems its just CM10 nightlies?
Is this just this device? or did RM just stop allowing roms to list or something?
thanks
The ROM developers must contact Rom Manager for their respective Roms inclusion within that application. From what I recall, in RM's early development stages, ROMs were input into the application which was not authorized by the individual Rom developers. Then a while lagter RM's developer trued up. That's why you don't see nearly as many Roms within the app. So no it is not the device, and no RM did not stop allowing Roms. The rom developers need to setup their roms to work within RM. Most don't allow it.
-Just my 2 cents from what I recall from memory-
Rom Manager blows anyways...
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Rom Manager blows anyways...
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Exactly. Don't use it. It's a thing of the past...
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Exactly. Don't use it. It's a thing of the past...
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i used to love it! Was able to view available rooms, see feedback, and with 1click i can download and install one, after backing up
seemed like a great resource. is there a better alternative now?
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i used to love it! Was able to view available rooms, see feedback, and with 1click i can download and install one, after backing up
seemed like a great resource. is there a better alternative now?
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Goo manager works well for nightlies through twrp. Though I think with all the potential problems that could arise with flashing through an app, I'd stick with manual installs.
i am new to the one s but not to flashing. i am coming from a galaxy s sprint epic. while i was on that, cm10.1 & 10.2 were great advancements to the stock gb which always seems to take forever for updates. but with this huge leap in smartphone power, do i really need to root & flash? even with all the bloatware that i don't use, the phone is very fast. and i can get two days easily from my battery (which i charge every night so that's not an issue). i used to flash just to have the latest but i think i just want functionality. also, i don't put that much on my phone so 16g should be plenty, even with all the bloatware. not that i wouldn't flash to get better use out of my device but i just don't think i need to. please convince my otherwise.
Root just to try new roms or mods that improve your experience. Otherwise no need
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The stock experience is great IMO. Only point in rooting is to remove bloatware
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I'm surprised--
You joined in 2008 and still posted in wrong section
You have flashed roms before and still curious to the benefits of rooting
No disrespect--just a thread you would expect a new member/user to start
Either way, Happy New Year to you and all--
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Root just to try new roms or mods that improve your experience. Otherwise no need
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Once youve been rooted, you cant be without root, regardless of ROM.
There are plenty of benefits in rooting even on stock roms.
Infact, a non-rooted device is like a windows PC with only access to your desktop...
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I'm surprised--
You joined in 2008 and still posted in wrong section
You have flashed roms before and still curious to the benefits of rooting
No disrespect--just a thread you would expect a new member/user to start
Either way, Happy New Year to you and all--
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should i have posted in Q&A? i thought i did. i even had to go through statistics to see where i started this thread because i couldn't find it in Q&A. if i should've posted somewhere else, whoops, feel free to move.
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Once youve been rooted, you cant be without root, regardless of ROM.
There are plenty of benefits in rooting even on stock roms.
Infact, a non-rooted device is like a windows PC with only access to your desktop...
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explain why?
why?
i guess i wasn't clear. i know the benefits of root. i've been flashing roms on my last 3 devices. the answers i was trying get were more along the lines of what are the main changes people are making to their stock phones. does all the bloatware inhibit speed or limit space? are there roms or tweeks that people can't live without? or do people unlock, root and flash just because they like to mess with their phones/have the latest even if it doesn't work correctly?
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should i have posted in Q&A? i thought i did. i even had to go through statistics to see where i started this thread because i couldn't find it in Q&A. if i should've posted somewhere else, whoops, feel free to move.
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No, it is in General--It's all good--
When I get my Note 2/3 I will probably only root for Nandroids and Titanium BackUp. I think that phone and maybe SGSIV may stand on their own without a need to flash roms. Might be wrong though-- There are still more sweets after Jelly Beans--
Your last question answered your own question. Today's smartphones don't really require root, UNLESS you like tweaking your phone.....which most of us love to do, otherwise we wouldn't be here. You can easily get rid of bloatware with a new launcher. IE: Nova or Apex are my favorites. Just disable and hide them, you'll never see them again. Back in the day people rooted mainly to get the latest OS quicker....these days the newer smartphones already come with the latest OS, so it's all a matter of whether you like tweaking your phone or not. There are still great benefits to rooting, but these days it's more personal preference over flashing the latest OS.
Just my 2 cents.
tap'n
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explain why?
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I can explain it in one word: Control.
I want to be in charge of the device, not letting the device be in charge of me. If you want that you might as well go with apple, who makes good devices with a terrible OS, imo.
Well I will root my htc one s because the latest update to 4.1 is crap. My battery drains so fast. So if I don't find a solution for this I might downgrade back to ics 4.04 or maybe a better custom rom...otherwise I would've kept the rom not rooted. Especialy because now we can disable an app that it is not usefull.
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Well I will root my htc one s because the latest update to 4.1 is crap. My battery drains so fast. So if I don't find a solution for this I might downgrade back to ics 4.04 or maybe a better custom rom...otherwise I would've kept the rom not rooted. Especialy because now we can disable an app that it is not usefull.
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is it just the official update that is bad? or is it a jb thing that hasn't been worked out. battery is huge for me.
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is it just the official update that is bad? or is it a jb thing that hasn't been worked out. battery is huge for me.
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Can't comment on stock but Blackout rom has been good for me.
I root because you can never seem to turn the screen brightness down far enough without root access, that and I don't like being locked out of a file system by manufacturers who don't trust my common sense.
I flash only when a device is older and/or no longer getting updated and something like CM gives me a major improvement.
Even if you want to run a stock ROM, unlocking/rooting (and flashing a custom recovery) enables you to make and restore nandroid backups and use tools like Titanium. It's also makes it easier to repair if you ever run into trouble like boot loops.