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Why can't custom roms have OTA updates?

This has been something that I have been wondering for a while.
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because OTAs will remove root, and screw up the recovery and most likely b0rk the rom

slowz3r said:
because OTAs will remove root, and screw up the recovery and most likely b0rk the rom
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That is not what I meant. I meant why can't rom developers send there own OTA's so the rom can pick up on them and download it Over The Air.

tominater12 said:
That is not what I meant. I meant why can't rom developers send there own OTA's so the rom can pick up on them and download it Over The Air.
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I suppose they could if they really wanted to, but it isnt that hard to plug into a computer and just flash an update from your ROM maker.
I think roms in the past have tried it before, just didnt end up working out I think

Doesn't ROM Mgr sort of do this already? Track new ROMs and updates for you and let you download and flash them?

yeah basically ROM manager is quite literally getting an OTA update from your specific ROM developer. i see what you mean that you dont get a pop up from them. but for all purposes, you check rom manager for a new version, download it, and it flashes it for you automatically, all OTA.

Oh, this is too funny. I normally wouldn't bother, but I just watched this Cyanogen Mod V7 Preview demo video on youtube, and at the 3:42 mark he shows the screen that allows you to enable OTA notification of ROM updates.
So, the answer to the OP is that they can, it's just most don't choose to for one reason or another...

Correct. The latest CyanogenMOD 7 Alpha 2-2 released January 6, 2011 for the Nexus S now has an OTA option.

Well I need to look through the rom more and the reason I do not like rom manager is because I do not want to pay $5 just for that but thanks everyone here.

tominater12 said:
Well I need to look through the rom more and the reason I do not like rom manager is because I do not want to pay $5 just for that but thanks everyone here.
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If you're using CM7 Alpha (latest), go to Settings then CyanogenMOD Settings, and it's there on top "Update Notifications"

tominater12 said:
Well I need to look through the rom more and the reason I do not like rom manager is because I do not want to pay $5 just for that but thanks everyone here.
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I paid the $5 as a thank you to Koush for all his development support of the devices I own, not for the features of it - I hardly use it at all.
I do however use his CWM recovery, his root instructions and files, and he's the main dev for Cyanogen Mod on the NS. Several of my phones are much better experiences because of his work. He doesn't ask for direct donations, he just says "if you like my work, please buy one of my apps."
YMMV.

This is the first time I have actually used a koush rom but I do see where you are coming from. I just thought that titanium backup and root explorer were better deals.
distortedloop said:
I paid the $5 as a thank you to Koush for all his development support of the devices I own, not for the features of it - I hardly use it at all.
I do however use his CWM recovery, his root instructions and files, and he's the main dev for Cyanogen Mod on the NS. Several of my phones are much better experiences because of his work. He doesn't ask for direct donations, he just says "if you like my work, please buy one of my apps."
YMMV.
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Rooting/roms/flashing HELP

Hi. Im fairly new to the Android OS. I just switched from an iphone. And ive been seeing/hearing a lot of talk about rooting, flashing roms, etc. I know that there are probably many threads on this, but I just wanted to know what are the pros and cons of rooting, flashing roms and such. And if I decide to do so, how do I? What rom would be best (for my sgs4g)? Sorry if this was too muxh to ask. Thanks in advance
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edwenoid said:
Hi. Im fairly new to the Android OS. I just switched from an iphone. And ive been seeing/hearing a lot of talk about rooting, flashing roms, etc. I know that there are probably many threads on this, but I just wanted to know what are the pros and cons of rooting, flashing roms and such. And if I decide to do so, how do I? What rom would be best (for my sgs4g)? Sorry if this was too muxh to ask. Thanks in advance
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Well right now, the best ROM you can have is Gingerbread, which just came out recently.
Rooting is very similar to Jailbreaking when it comes to iPhone; it allows you to perform speed tweaks, and enable functionality not available on standard software.
As for flashing these ROMs, make sure you download a program called ODIN.
Before that, install the Samsung USB Drivers and read THIS.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849028
I compiled a few tutorials on some various tweaks on my site as well, and have a few download links for files if you need them.
Good luck!

danstheman7 said:
Well right now, the best ROM you can have is Gingerbread, which just came out recently.
Rooting is very similar to Jailbreaking when it comes to iPhone; it allows you to perform speed tweaks, and enable functionality not available on standard software.
As for flashing these ROMs, make sure you download a program called ODIN.
Before that, install the Samsung USB Drivers and read THIS.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849028
I compiled a few tutorials on some various tweaks on my site as well, and have a few download links for files if you need them.
Good luck!
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Im not sure that Gingerbread would be the best choice right now for someone just starting out. It appears that the ROM that whitehawkx just releases still has a few bugs to be worked out. I would say that Bionix is probably a better choice for the moment.

Hah thanks. But I just had a few more questions. Do I need to be rooted to install gingerbread? Is flashing necessary? And is installing the new software just as easy as jailbreaking like an iphone?
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First off. Post in the correct section. This belongs in General. Please try searching before making a new thread. You know that this has been answered several times in multiple threads. I came from and Iphone too and I took the time to do the research. First just go to the Bible for SGS 4G. You'll find it here in this section. Make sure you read everything. I too was a noob but I took the time to read everything before posting a new thread on what's been answered just for your convenience.

edwenoid said:
Hah thanks. But I just had a few more questions. Do I need to be rooted to install gingerbread? Is flashing necessary? And is installing the new software just as easy as jailbreaking like an iphone?
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I would suggest doing TONS of reading on all the topics related to flashing/rooting/etc... Another reason why I think Gingerbread would be a bad choice for you right now is because I don't think ClockworkMod works with it yet. Without CWM you won't be able to do things like installing zips from your SD card and doing complete backups of your phone in case you mess something up. Yes, you will need to be rooted in order to flash to a new ROM. Flashing is only necessary if you want a ROM. Like what you have? Then don't flash.
Android is a pretty easy OS to use when you get used to it. But make sure that you take it slow and read everything carefully. Hope this helps.

Thanks for all the feedback everyone.. I'll be sure to look into this morw before I decide what to do.
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yentlequible said:
Im not sure that Gingerbread would be the best choice right now for someone just starting out. It appears that the ROM that whitehawkx just releases still has a few bugs to be worked out. I would say that Bionix is probably a better choice for the moment.
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Ehh, I've been running on Gingerbread and aside from a single bluetooth issue, I really have no complaints.
Bionix is a good choice too, though. You may be right in suggesting that as a beginners ROM.
So, Go with Bionix, edwenoid, it'll allow you to do many more tweaks.
Remember, this might seem pretty complicated at first, but I've had a Galaxy S 4G for only about a month now and i'm not too bad at this whole tweaking thingamajig

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[Q] Rom Manager question on 3.1 Transformer

Hello all this is my first post here. I have a question in regard to Rom Manager on the Transformer running 3.1. When I go into Rom Manager and click on backup rom, it asks me to install ClockworkMod Recovery. That isn't a problem except when I click Install it asks for me to confirm the phone model. Which phone should I select that will allow me to use backup on the transformer? There are so many different ones to choose from. lol
Thank you!

I may be wrong but I don't think ROM Manager is compatible with the TF...

Well crap that stinks. I hope that in the future there will be support for the TF.

i dont. rom manager sucks.

Zepius said:
i dont. rom manager sucks.
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Why does it suck? The creator of ROM manager is responsible for creating Clockwork Recovery.
The TF101 Clockwork Recovery still uses his code. All the person did was port it to the TF101 but official support has not been supported as of yet.

zephiK said:
Why does it suck? The creator of ROM manager is responsible for creating Clockwork Recovery.
The TF101 Clockwork Recovery still uses his code. All the person did was port it to the TF101 but official support has not been supported as of yet.
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because it works 1/2 the time?
CWR is ok, but rom manager is just crap.

Zepius said:
because it works 1/2 the time?
CWR is ok, but rom manager is just crap.
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Half of the time? On TF101, it has no support. On the devices, I've owned.. I've had NO problems with ROM manager. It's very helpful for beginners.
I personally don't really use it but to flash ROM Manager.
But I 100% disagree with you that ROM Manager sucks. And the fact that ROM Manager Premium is a top five paid app, more than 80%+ of the Android community disagrees with you.

zephiK said:
Half of the time? On TF101, it has no support. On the devices, I've owned.. I've had NO problems with ROM manager. It's very helpful for beginners.
I personally don't really use it but to flash ROM Manager.
But I 100% disagree with you that ROM Manager sucks. And the fact that ROM Manager Premium is a top five paid app, more than 80%+ of the Android community disagrees with you.
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considering on my OG droid its mangled every rom downloaded from it and sometimes refuses to do a backup when i tell it to? yeah i think its crap. you can disagree all you want... but i will always think its crap.

Zepius said:
considering on my OG droid its mangled every rom downloaded from it and sometimes refuses to do a backup when i tell it to? yeah i think its crap. you can disagree all you want... but i will always think its crap.
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Ever thought it wasn't the app and that it was your phone? It's a very outdated phone and its way past its generation.
Whatever you say, ROM manager & Clockwork Manager are made by the same person. So yeah, have fun trying to bash him but at the end of the day. You're still using his work

zephiK said:
Ever thought it wasn't the app and that it was your phone? It's a very outdated phone and its way past its generation.
Whatever you say, ROM manager & Clockwork Manager are made by the same person. So yeah, have fun trying to bash him but at the end of the day. You're still using his work
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Edit: forget it. its like arguing with a wall.
dont dispute my opinions again.

I agree with zephik on this one, rom manager is a great tool for people with updated as well as outdated phones. I think the creator deserves payment from google for what he has given all of us android users. I got the paid version as soon as i realized what it was capable of doing.
Just my opinion, don't hate on me for it please.
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Rom manager works great on my g2. On my evo thats a different story. Amon_ra all the way for that device.
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How can you get into Clockwork recovery if not through Rom Manager?

Rom manager works flawlessly on my Nexus one

ROM Manager

Being that so many DEV guy's are crapping on ROM Manager should I be requesting a refund from the ROM Manager owners as I had purchased this a while ago and if it is no good then I want my money back for purchasing a flawed product. Thoughts?

Blackberrynomore said:
Being that so many DEV guy's are crapping on ROM Manager should I be requesting a refund from the ROM Manager owners as I had purchased this a while ago and if it is no good then I want my money back for purchasing a flawed product. Thoughts?
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unfortunately I feel you won't get your money back...the refund terms are very specific and clearly outlined
the dev guys aren't crapping on it..it is crap
seriously though...coming from other devices..NO ONE uses it lol
I was shocked that so many around here don't know how to manually flash something from recovery

Blackberrynomore said:
Being that so many DEV guy's are crapping on ROM Manager should I be requesting a refund from the ROM Manager owners as I had purchased this a while ago and if it is no good then I want my money back for purchasing a flawed product. Thoughts?
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It's not that it's a bad produce per-se, it's that it hasn't been updated to work with the Infuse correctly. For THAT reason most devs dump on it. The other related reason is that it's not really a necessity item. It's more a convenience that for most, becomes more inconvenient. ;-)

Is there a thread that gives the steps to flash a ROM without ROM manager. I got it but not really sure I could again.

msnyder said:
Is there a thread that gives the steps to flash a ROM without ROM manager. I got it but not really sure I could again.
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Just about all the ROM download threads have instructions for you.
Boot into recovery, wipe what you need to wipe, tell it to install a zip, done.
It's not hard to do at all.

00mred00 said:
unfortunately I feel you won't get your money back...the refund terms are very specific and clearly outlined
the dev guys aren't crapping on it..it is crap
seriously though...coming from other devices..NO ONE uses it lol
I was shocked that so many around here don't know how to manually flash something from recovery
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I actually learned how to flash manually first before trying ROM Manager. I just liked it because of the convenience. No real big advantage to using it over the manual method just more convenient.

This recovery every one is speaking of, could it be the one created by Koush? Personally. Rom manager has been a great asset to me. It's like any other peice of code. It won't always behave the same way across a broad range of device's. I have no knowledge of cooking roms or writing code, but is it really necessary to make thread just to flame something? If you don't like it don't use it.
My 2¢.
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shadow65781 said:
This recovery every one is speaking of, could it be the one created by Koush? Personally. Rom manager has been a great asset to me. It's like any other peice of code. It won't always behave the same way across a broad range of device's. I have no knowledge of cooking roms or writing code, but is it really necessary to make thread just to flame something? If you don't like it don't use it.
My 2¢.
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Everyone uses Koush's Clockworkmod Recovery. The problem is that ROM Manager insists on using a crippled version of Clockworkmod ("green" CWM) that doesn't play nice with Voodoo Lagfix.
The problem is that instead of accessing whatever recovery the system comes with, ROM Manager insists on going to an "alternate" recovery (known as "green" CWM) which is crippled compared to the recovery included with almost all alternate kernels. Green CWM used to flash on any device with active Voodoo Lagfix = softbricked phone. It creates way too many support requests to developers, and also there's the issue I previously stated where downloading ROMs through ROM Manager causes people to go to ROM threads and not read the first post.
As to "if you don't like it, don't use it" - I don't, neither do any of the other devs. But other people do and we get all sorts of ridiculous support requests because of people who are too lazy to read threads on XDA, they want their ROMs spoonfed to them with ROM Manager.

Thanks for expanding my knowledge on the subject,
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Apex rom
Hey everyone, question for you.
I'm running the Apex Rom and when I play my music, I can't forward or pause the music and when I try to forward or pause it, it FC.
Is anyone running this rom and don't have any problems playing music?
any feedbacks will be appreciated. Thx

Rooting Mesmerize already running 2.3.4?

I picked up a Mesmerize yesterday and was surprised to find it already running 2.3.4. I'm not sure if that's already a common thing on these, but coming from the Captivate world (still have it for personal use, the Mez is for work) it seemed very surprising.
Anyway, I definitely want to root this thing and get rid of the bloat; Is there a specific process for rooting these things with 2.3.4? I keep seeing stuff for Eclair and Froyo, but am unsure if GB uses the same Z4Root process or not.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Good luck.. there is NO development going on for this phone.

Dante04SRT said:
Anyway, I definitely want to root this thing and get rid of the bloat; Is there a specific process for rooting these things with 2.3.4? I keep seeing stuff for Eclair and Froyo, but am unsure if GB uses the same Z4Root process or not.
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There doesn't appear to be any way for users to root GB on our phones at the moment. The only solution that I've found presented so far is to flash a pre-rooted ROM.
Rippley05 said:
Good luck.. there is NO development going on for this phone.
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There are several ROMs available, just not available here.

foxfire450 said:
There are several ROMs available, just not available here.
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The developers didn't want to get fisted.
To the best of my knowledge, you basically have to flash in a rooted image - the older root exploits used apparently were finally patched in 2.3.

foxfire450 said:
There doesn't appear to be any way for users to root GB on our phones at the moment. The only solution that I've found presented so far is to flash a pre-rooted ROM.
There are several ROMs available, just not available here.
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can you pm me where please? My GF has a mesmerize and it needs some custom rom love..

Google: mesmerize CM-7

Bumping for a better place to look for mez roms and development. Seems xda is lacking on this device. Trying to hook up my wifes new replacment with some cyanogen goodness. Anyone got any links?
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mikedavis120 said:
Bumping for a better place to look for mez roms and development. Seems xda is lacking on this device. Trying to hook up my wifes new replacment with some cyanogen goodness. Anyone got any links?
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there really isn't another place where developing is going on for this Rom regardless of what people say.
There might be a rom out there somewhere, but I can't find it.

Rippley05 said:
there really isn't another place where developing is going on for this Rom regardless of what people say.
There might be a rom out there somewhere, but I can't find it.
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Simply not true.
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Rippley05 said:
there really isn't another place where developing is going on for this Rom regardless of what people say.
There might be a rom out there somewhere, but I can't find it.
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There is a lot of good stuff being developed for this phone...just not here.

Rippley05 said:
there really isn't another place where developing is going on for this Rom regardless of what people say.
There might be a rom out there somewhere, but I can't find it.
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I've counted about 10 or so Gingerbread ROMs available for the Mesmerize, 2 AOSP and the rest TW-based. Roughly half have had some sort of activity within the month.

Oh yea and CM7.1 just dropped this morning, so yes there is still dev for this phone............

Anyone actually looking check out rootzwiki.com its got a decent mez section. Also if u have a new eh09 outta the box it wont except anything below eh09. Weird modem issues.
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The method in this thread works. I did it myself and so far I haven't had any problems.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268617
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Rippley05 said:
there really isn't another place where developing is going on for this Rom regardless of what people say.
There might be a rom out there somewhere, but I can't find it.
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ya i'll have to disagree too, there are lots of TW and non-TW based roms out there, personally I use MIUI...honestly unless u have to root specifically for an application and don't want to use a custom rom rooting the stock rom is useless, since the mes has an unlocked bootloader you can just flash clockwork whenever you want and load whatever rom suits you.