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iphone designed websites
are super when your stuck in a edge area i cant lie
facebook actually works, found a movie listings, tv listings from aol that are very simple. gotta love it
but of course when data permits, nothing beats the REAL internet
Well at least you found one good thing.
The one good thing about iphone is how much it made me miss windows mobile.
The iPhone is actually a great phone for if you wanna get away from it all; and by "it all" i mean doing anything productive or worthwhile.
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The iPhone is actually a great phone for if you wanna get away from it all; and by "it all" i mean doing anything productive or worthwhile.
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Oh c'mon, paying a dollar for the "Be like Lil' Wayne" app in the app store is totally worthwhile.
How about the fact that if it was not for the iphone and Apples inovative thinking most of the apps and phones we now have based on WM6 would not be available to us yet.
Touch scrolling, accelerometers, larger screens, better browsers, etc.
I never would buy an iphone do to the fact that I cound not add my GPS software or my task managers and customize it the way I like it, but if it wasn't for the great thought process it invoked for so many programmers we would still be stuck with using the stylus.
The only good thing about the iphone is that it made my AT&T ESOP get bigger. THATS IT.
the only reason why the iphone is good is because qualcomm devices make it look good.
One "redeeming" feature is the app store. Even with that feature there are so many useless apps and the Apple store policy keeps any useful apps from being developed.
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How about the fact that if it was not for the iphone and Apples inovative thinking most of the apps and phones we now have based on WM6 would not be available to us yet.
Touch scrolling, accelerometers, larger screens, better browsers, etc.
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I hope you are being sarcastic?
I believe HTC were the first company to release Touch Nav, Large screens have been around for awhile and Opera has been a fine browser for phone for awhile as well...
All apple has done is released another consumer toy to play with... Windows Mobile/ Windows CE has been around a hell of a lot longer. They have copied the idea of "custom" application, MS and Palm have had custom apps for yeaaaaaaars.
Next you are going to tell me apple invented the mp3!
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Good lord, what is this, disinformation central? I've been FAR more productive while mobile in the last 2 weeks since I traded my Fuze in for an iPhone than I ever would have been on the Fuze. As someone who does a lot of web work, the iPhone blows the Fuze or any other WM phone out of the water. The free WordPress app *alone* guarantees that anyone doing mobile blogging will be more productive.
As a 3 year veteran of the great HTC Wizard, I'm a serious lover of Windows Mobile devices, but let's face facts here guys: In 2008, let alone 2009, the current incarnation of Windows Mobile is sadly, woefully and pathetically behind the times. iPhone is, to be sure, a VASTLY overrated device, but statements like this are just as misleading, but in reverse.
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I hope you are being sarcastic?
I believe HTC were the first company to release Touch Nav, Large screens have been around for awhile and Opera has been a fine browser for phone for awhile as well...
All apple has done is released another consumer toy to play with... Windows Mobile/ Windows CE has been around a hell of a lot longer. They have copied the idea of "custom" application, MS and Palm have had custom apps for yeaaaaaaars.
Next you are going to tell me apple invented the mp3!
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WM has certainly been around longer--and it's also been neglected longer, too. The App store is a brilliant innovation, and it's loaded with tons of useful apps (though I'd be lying if I didn't also say that it's loaded with gimmicky horse ****, too). WM truly NEEDS something like the App store, by which I mean that it needs a method for distributing apps and games via download, through the device itself, with a transparent installation process that is easy for users to understand and use.
What Apple really needs to do to take the device to the next step is adopt some WM ideas--specifically it needs to be able to do multitasking (beyond just playing music in the background with the iPod app), it needs cut and paste, and it desperately needs for ALL apps to support a landscape keyboard (Windows Mobile also suffers from this problem). Apple also needs to open the device a bit more for a greater range of app types from a greater range of programmers.
Windows Mobile is good and proven system. iPhone is a relatively new system but it's also very good and it brings a LOT of great ideas to the table.
Neither system is perfect, but where iPhone needs some polish and additional openness, Windows Mobile needs a major overhaul in the User Experience area, because right now it's idly back in about 2004, and that's just sad. Hopefully Microsoft's recent work overhauling the Xbox interface will have some runoff into the Windows Mobile arena.
I look forward to WM7, but for my money, WM6 is a waste of time on a modern device.
Android has pretty much taken over the XDA-Portal
Everyday there are more and more posts about users who switched over from winmo to android.
I am planing on buying WP7 device, but my fear is I'll be one of few to do so, and as a result of this there will be little development going on for the device. I am a pretty die-hard windows fan so I hope they regain some popularity with WP7.
What does everyone think?
One thing will decide, microsoft wp7 ads.
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I wouldn´t worry for that, despite Android is now "in fashion" as soon as WP7 arrives will happen the same
I am also looking forward WP7 I´m sure it will be a funny one too
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Android has pretty much taken over the XDA-Portal
Everyday there are more and more posts about users who switched over from winmo to android.
I am planing on buying WP7 device, but my fear is I'll be one of few to do so, and as a result of this there will be little development going on for the device. I am a pretty die-hard windows fan so I hope they regain some popularity with WP7.
What does everyone think?
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Dont worry if your WP7 device is lacking in WP development, Im sure there will be several ways and ROMs to run Android on it
haha, i dont want to run android on it!!!!!!!
dont get me wrong, its a great os, but i am a much bigger fan of windows
Can someone explain to me the "greatness" of WinMo? From what I've seen of it, it's terrible :<.
Then again, I've only seen 1 WinMo Phone and it was a weird one.
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Can someone explain to me the "greatness" of WinMo? From what I've seen of it, it's terrible :<.
Then again, I've only seen 1 WinMo Phone and it was a weird one.
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WM is great because of the amount of free software available for it and the openness of the OS. Yes many times the carriers do a lousy job of programming their version of the phone software but thats where the custom roms come in. Remeber iOS and Android are babies in the world of phone software. So most of the worst specs for an android phone are really good for WM. That being said take about any WM phone and hack it with a good stable custom rom and you will be amazed. I've seen many of hte new android phones and I can say I 'm not that impressed. I think its a great phone for people who aren't phone smart. Thats not saying you can't root it and do really cool things with it. But out of the box its pretty locked down. Unfortunately WP7 is going the way of android and iOS because of their success putting smart phones in normal non techies hands. But for the true techie WM is where its at. Hoped that helped. I fear owning my HD2 for years because all the new phones will be locked down like iphone.
hopefully this eases your concerns about lockdown
one of my great friends recevied their developers wp7 device just the other day and theyve already hacked deep into it, done a plethora of customizations and so on. with wp7 i think we will see more apps and such since they say it has lots of appeal to developers. weve got xda, so we hopefully will never have to face a locked down windows phone haha
i agree, if you are very phone smart, and want to get your phone the exact way you like it windows is where its at. they get a bad rep in the smartphone world only because there is a pretty big learning curve before you can truly dig into the device.
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dont get me wrong, its a great os, but i am a much bigger fan of windows
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Same here
Despite I´m testing droid on my Leo
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hopefully this eases your concerns about lockdown
one of my great friends recevied their developers wp7 device just the other day and theyve already hacked deep into it, done a plethora of customizations and so on. with wp7 i think we will see more apps and such since they say it has lots of appeal to developers. weve got xda, so we hopefully will never have to face a locked down windows phone haha
i agree, if you are very phone smart, and want to get your phone the exact way you like it windows is where its at. they get a bad rep in the smartphone world only because there is a pretty big learning curve before you can truly dig into the device.
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I've been seeing alot about this on other sites. Devs seem to want the os cause it's market is not filled to the brims so thier apps get lost. First ones out the gate wins kinda thing. I'm eager to see what happens, though I plan on replacing my two raph's with a captivate. I'm really not digging the multitasking in wp7.
The rumored specs for the HD3 has me very interested in WP7. 4.5" 1280x800 screen, 1.5ghz dual core, 1gb ram, 32gb mem. Depends on the Apps too. I really like the Android market more so than what WinMo has offered. I'm a diehard WinMo user, but after running Android on my HD2.... I've found myself using WinMo less and less and less.
edit: Does WP7 even allow 1280x800 screen res? hmm.
If you use Outlook (I do for both business and personal), the sync between PC and device using ActiveSync/WMDC is (although far from perfect) essential. Doing sync between Android devices and Outlook appears to require either 3rd party apps of variable reliability/ease and/or use of Google mail and calendar. If you're paranoid about your data (like me) and don 't want to use someone else to store it, that make WinMo about the only option. So I think the corporates will keep WinMo alive and XDA-dev will keep it interesting!
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If you use Outlook (I do for both business and personal), the sync between PC and device using ActiveSync/WMDC is (although far from perfect) essential. Doing sync between Android devices and Outlook appears to require either 3rd party apps of variable reliability/ease and/or use of Google mail and calendar. If you're paranoid about your data (like me) and don 't want to use someone else to store it, that make WinMo about the only option. So I think the corporates will keep WinMo alive and XDA-dev will keep it interesting!
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Amen and Halleluiah!
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WM is great because of the amount of free software available for it and the openness of the OS. Yes many times the carriers do a lousy job of programming their version of the phone software but thats where the custom roms come in. Remeber iOS and Android are babies in the world of phone software. So most of the worst specs for an android phone are really good for WM. That being said take about any WM phone and hack it with a good stable custom rom and you will be amazed. I've seen many of hte new android phones and I can say I 'm not that impressed. I think its a great phone for people who aren't phone smart. Thats not saying you can't root it and do really cool things with it. But out of the box its pretty locked down. Unfortunately WP7 is going the way of android and iOS because of their success putting smart phones in normal non techies hands. But for the true techie WM is where its at. Hoped that helped. I fear owning my HD2 for years because all the new phones will be locked down like iphone.
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I dunno, Android, even un-rooted seems pretty Open, i never had a problem with it being "Locked Down"
Could be interesting stuff between the release of Android 3.0 and WM7...
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I've been seeing alot about this on other sites. Devs seem to want the os cause it's market is not filled to the brims so thier apps get lost. First ones out the gate wins kinda thing. I'm eager to see what happens, though I plan on replacing my two raph's with a captivate. I'm really not digging the multitasking in wp7.
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its important for everyone to know these 3 thing:
-WP7 will be sending ota updates to the phone directely from microsoft. these updates will improve performance in some cases, and add features in other cases. microsofts goal is to bypass the carrier and avoid all of the bs that comes with carriers.
- keeping this in mind, microsoft has two major updates scheduled ALREADY for release within the the first few months of the phones release. one update is the addition of copy and paste, the other is suppose to have something to do with multi tasking
-they intentionally left copy and paste out of launch so they could distribute it in an ota update.
the multitasking issue isnt a bad thing actually. you can run as many native apps as you want at the same time, you just cant run multiple third party apps at the same time. HOWEVER, lets say i am running a third party app (app1) then lets say i launch a second third party app (app2) app1's state will be saved and placed in the background on "pause" if you will, while app2 runs. if i relaunch app1 its last known state will be restored and app2 will go into pause.
This may be just from my perspective but yeah. Here goes.
Android/Linux-Nice if you work it just right, however it takes hours of tinkering and at least a basic knowledge of the operating system before it can really be considered asa daily driver. It has it's problemd but because it's open source AND pretty easy people flock to it.
Windows/WP7- Very simple, very clean, lacks a few functions that we'd like to have but all in all very usable and good at what it does. The most well known and for most people easiest to understand and operate. (Yes I know WP7 is not the most well known)
Iphone/Mac- Just simple, without some major hacking it cant perform a lot of basic functions, anything that can be done on this can likely be done on another OS, comes with all the software necessary for it to work but doesnt give you much choice on what you want. Essentially pick this program or do without. Computers/phones for dummies or people who think they're "indie" by going with a corporate giant :/
Android - it's a basic interface phone, does what it says on the tin, but can be customised to do more.
Linux - great as a free server, great as an office PC, not so great if you're a home user who doesn't know how it works.
WM6.5 - It works, excellent business integration, GB of support, plenty of aftermarket improvements to simply customise it, never really understood by MS.
WP7 - simplistic, dull, lacks simple features which phones 10 years ago had. If you think the iphone is too complicated then this is the phone for you. Let uncle Bill look after your data, you can trust him...
W7 - Nice aero snap and peek features. We don't want you to use the program menu though.
Iphone - Simple phone, external airplane mode feature, other phone users will think you're a prat. It has the GB, and the WIFI. It can download apps.
Mac - show the world you have more money than sense. For people who find mice with more than one button complicated, and don't get sarcasm.
there may be a smidge of sarcasm in this post, can you spot it?
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Android - it's a basic interface phone, does what it says on the tin, but can be customised to do more.
Linux - great as a free server, great as an office PC, not so great if you're a home user who doesn't know how it works.
WM6.5 - It works, excellent business integration, GB of support, plenty of aftermarket improvements to simply customise it, never really understood by MS.
WP7 - simplistic, dull, lacks simple features which phones 10 years ago had. If you think the iphone is too complicated then this is the phone for you. Let uncle Bill look after your data, you can trust him...
W7 - Nice aero snap and peek features. We don't want you to use the program menu though.
Iphone - Simple phone, external airplane mode feature, other phone users will think you're a prat. It has the GB, and the WIFI. It can download apps.
Mac - show the world you have more money than sense. For people who find mice with more than one button complicated.
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That was a grand reply
That I can, if a fluid UI makes you simpler than the iphone then I will take simplicity over linux any day... I just dont get the benefit other than the android gaming community and that's coming form someone who dual-boots fedora on his computer regularly.... aside from things like the cube it just cant do much that windows cant and windows can do so much more.
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That I can, if a fluid UI makes you simpler than the iphone then I will take simplicity over linux any day... I just dont get the benefit other than the android gaming community and that's coming form someone who dual-boots fedora on his computer regularly.... aside from things like the cube it just cant do much that windows cant and windows can do so much more.
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A simplistic and uninspiringly dull interface on a phone which is missing features even my old Ericsson handset had, then yes it's simpler than the iphone.
As for android, personally I find it meh, I use it for a couple of games and kindle. I can't see what all the fuss is about it.
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A simplistic and uninspiringly dull interface on a phone which is missing features even my old Ericsson handset had, then yes it's simpler than the iphone.
As for android, personally I find it meh, I use it for a couple of games and kindle. I can't see what all the fuss is about it.
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Nor can I, its decent but not astounding. I have an HD2 that I still use to tinker with. It's a great phone but only if you really want to tinker. I still play with it frequently and always keep it at its most up to date state in terms of roms but with windows 7 its nice to have a phone that works well out of the box, thats something I havent seen since before the days of smartphones and it's a great thing to see. The UI might be dull to some but I like the simplicity there, a lot of people on android go out of their way to make the UI as plain as possible rather than making it look jumbled. WP7 just mad that necessary and added some very fluid animations. In time we will be able to sideload properly and we'll have the support. For now I have a phone that works well that has not been modded in the least and I enjoy that.
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Nor can I, its decent but not astounding. I have an HD2 that I still use to tinker with. It's a great phone but only if you really want to tinker. I still play with it frequently and always keep it at its most up to date state in terms of roms but with windows 7 its nice to have a phone that works well out of the box, thats something I havent seen since before the days of smartphones and it's a great thing to see. The UI might be dull to some but I like the simplicity there, a lot of people on android go out of their way to make the UI as plain as possible rather than making it look jumbled. WP7 just mad that necessary and added some very fluid animations. In time we will be able to sideload properly and we'll have the support. For now I have a phone that works well that has not been modded in the least and I enjoy that.
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I don't recognise the asertion that you have to tinker with the HD2 to get it to work.
I only ever run stock roms, not had an issue with any of them, they just work.
I don't want animations that seem to take forever or somehow give me travelsickness (thank you htc hub), I like that in WM6.5 I tap on a shortcut and the program starts, I tap on the program grid and it appears straight away. I don't have to wait for things to flip over or spin round.
I like that on WM6.5 I can have a wallpaper to brighten my day whenever I use my phone, I do really like that android has live wallpapers (I have fish swimming around my phone).
I also like that I've got so much integration with exchange.
The CEO of one of my clients likes how he can use WinMo to synchronise his work contacts and calender entries with his home PC's Outlook just by plugging his phone in. He's not techie but he has no problems with WinMo and certainly hasn't done any tweaks. Thankfully he's techie enough to understand the dangers of the cloud so certainly won't be going for WP7.
What do you mean by "dangers of the cloud" something like big brother? I guess that is a concern if theres something to hide but I guess thats not me. I love the HD2 but definitely not stock, I liked the vanilla that looked similar to zune player but even then the keyboard was just awful without swype going into menus without a stylus was terrible unless you have the hands of a three-year-old, and it still seemed slow to react. As for wallpapers it doesnt concern me, I have a lockscreen of my son that does fine because if im on my phone im seldom on the homescreen. I feel windows mobile was just intended for a stylus and through our community here we made it something better but certainly not flawless. Also, I've never even had to plug in to sync my contacts. Between past phones with google and microsoft and a couple facebook contacts I've got all the people I need and then some. I just feel android is intended for low end devices and WM6.5 was a stylus phone rather than a finger friendly phone regardless of the hardware.
All in all, WM6.5 was the last bastion of free and personal mobile OS, which many have failed to embrace (and really, who can blame them?). From here on out, it'll be like Orwell's 1984 and every person will be tagged with an RFID in a form of their mobile phone. Resistance is futile...
GET TO THAA CHOOPPPPAAAA!!!
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What do you mean by "dangers of the cloud" something like big brother? I guess that is a concern if theres something to hide but I guess thats not me. I love the HD2 but definitely not stock, I liked the vanilla that looked similar to zune player but even then the keyboard was just awful without swype going into menus without a stylus was terrible unless you have the hands of a three-year-old, and it still seemed slow to react. As for wallpapers it doesnt concern me, I have a lockscreen of my son that does fine because if im on my phone im seldom on the homescreen. I feel windows mobile was just intended for a stylus and through our community here we made it something better but certainly not flawless. Also, I've never even had to plug in to sync my contacts. Between past phones with google and microsoft and a couple facebook contacts I've got all the people I need and then some. I just feel android is intended for low end devices and WM6.5 was a stylus phone rather than a finger friendly phone regardless of the hardware.
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With MS3.5 WM becomes the most finger friendly phone I've used.
From the sounds of things, you don't use a phone for much, so I can see the appeal of WP7 for you.
The issue with the cloud is not MS poking around but some hacker. MS is a much larger target than my clients' own servers. They cannot risk their data in the hands of an entity which they have no control over and no SLA with.
MS has a history of poor security, both regards to hacking and data redundancy, look at the user data they lost without having backups. It is not plausible to expect businesses to expose themselves to such risks.
If someone hacks in and gets access to your data, then it's no big deal, someone hacks into my clients' data and companies can go bust, court cases get dismissed, generally not good.
I run my own exchange server so have no need to sync with a desktop, but for those who want to be able to sync their work mailbox data with their home computer it was an excellent secure business feature.
Funny you should mention swype, I've never needed it on winmo, but on Android (and WP7 if I ever was forced to use one longer than 5 minutes) I've installed it simply because the stock keyboard (pretty much identical to WP7's) is vile.
Why should I have to flip to a different overlay to enter numbers when it has the function of longpress?
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All in all, WM6.5 was the last bastion of free and personal mobile OS, which many have failed to embrace (and really, who can blame them?). From here on out, it'll be like Orwell's 1984 and every person will be tagged with an RFID in a form of their mobile phone. Resistance is futile...
GET TO THAA CHOOPPPPAAAA!!!
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Don't forget new phones which detect the stock rom isn't being run so hard reset to it.
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You, in fact, are a prat. The amount of work needed to put into Linux to make it simply usable is simply ridiculous. Mac runs the fastest out of the box and is insanely reliable.
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You, in fact, are a prat. The amount of work needed to put into Linux to make it simply usable is simply ridiculous. Mac runs the fastest out of the box and is insanely reliable.
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bwhahahahaha
Thank you, I've just had to edit the original post
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With MS3.5 WM becomes the most finger friendly phone I've used.
From the sounds of things, you don't use a phone for much, so I can see the appeal of WP7 for you.
The issue with the cloud is not MS poking around but some hacker. MS is a much larger target than my clients' own servers. They cannot risk their data in the hands of an entity which they have no control over and no SLA with.
MS has a history of poor security, both regards to hacking and data redundancy, look at the user data they lost without having backups. It is not plausible to expect businesses to expose themselves to such risks.
If someone hacks in and gets access to your data, then it's no big deal, someone hacks into my clients' data and companies can go bust, court cases get dismissed, generally not good.
I run my own exchange server so have no need to sync with a desktop, but for those who want to be able to sync their work mailbox data with their home computer it was an excellent secure business feature.
Funny you should mention swype, I've never needed it on winmo, but on Android (and WP7 if I ever was forced to use one longer than 5 minutes) I've installed it simply because the stock keyboard (pretty much identical to WP7's) is vile.
Why should I have to flip to a different overlay to enter numbers when it has the function of longpress?
Don't forget new phones which detect the stock rom isn't being run so hard reset to it.
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I dont use my business phone for much, so its perfect for that. My fun phone is an HD2 where I do my tinkering and such. Even when I run WM on it which is most of the time I theme it like WP7, it's just more fluid. I love all the additional features but I still cant find a keyboard on it that can keep up as well as the Samsung Focus' keyboard... I mean I guess it's different user to user but I could never use a stock HD2, it just doesnt work well for me.
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You, in fact, are a prat. The amount of work needed to put into Linux to make it simply usable is simply ridiculous. Mac runs the fastest out of the box and is insanely reliable.
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Not anymore, Ubuntu is voted as one of the user friendliest linux OS's, and has been holding this since 2006.
User friendly =/= Linux. And this is coming from a guy that used Linux on my old computer. Ubuntu is good but still below par and not on pace with OS X or W7.
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User friendly =/= Linux. And this is coming from a guy that used Linux on my old computer. Ubuntu is good but still below par and not on pace with OS X or W7.
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Ok, different people have different pars
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z33dev33l said:
.... aside from things like the cube it just cant do much that windows cant and windows can do so much more.
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You got to be kidding right, linux hands down eats windows for breakfast and then some. Linux has no limits (well almost), yeah its complicated but anything good is.
I used WinMo 6.5 for about a year and I found it good, but definitely not good enough out of the box. Very customizable though.
I just got Android and I like it, out of the box very good with alot of potential.
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You got to be kidding right, linux hands down eats windows for breakfast and then some. Linux has no limits (well almost), yeah its complicated but anything good is.
I used WinMo 6.5 for about a year and I found it good, but definitely not good enough out of the box. Very customizable though.
I just got Android and I like it, out of the box very good with alot of potential.
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That'd likely be the case if there was more support for it or even if they would make a few games for it because WINE doesnt emulate too much... Theres a severe lack of aplications for it and thats its biggest fault. Android might be usable out of the box but its not pretty and compared to iOS/WP7 its laggy...
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That'd likely be the case if there was more support for it or even if they would make a few games for it because WINE doesnt emulate too much... Theres a severe lack of aplications for it and thats its biggest fault. Android might be usable out of the box but its not pretty and compared to iOS/WP7 its laggy...
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There is support for Linux, Ubuntu offers some professional support but main support is Internet/Community. Linux is not focused on gaming and this isn't mobile world where number of applications determine how good a OS is ?? (I never get that... OMG iphone has 500000 apps....like who cares, most are crap anyway).
In terms of what the OS is able to do, Linux wins, can Windows kernel be modified? No, it's not open source. Imagine Linux as a canvas which you can freely paint on and Windows as a small circle on the canvas which you can't paint outside of.
I got Desire HD and Android looks great with Sense and there's zero lag anywhere, and it's totally stock. iOS is horrid and WP7 I haven't used/seen yet.
I wonder if the transitions/animations in WP7 is actually there to hide the lag because they're bloody long winded and I'd need an option to turn them off to get it to my HD2's level.
Had another disappointment with android today, sent myself an email with a phone number, opened it in android an no obvious option to dial the number (hopefully someone will pop on and say there's a setting or a knack) so rebooted to wm and just tapped the number in the email.
This phone is amazing. Very surprised by the poor sales of WP7? I mean why wouldn't anyone want it! Previous iOS and Android user. Love WP7... Don't think ill go back... Maybe EVO 3D just to stay on top of tech untill newer WP7 Sprint phone
I agree, Love WP7 despite the lack of Mango. I guess it's a multiple reason situation. Recent report of sales reps steering customers away from the OS. Users that can't live without tethering. Others who are addicted to customising WinMo who have transitioned to Android. Maybe some don't like the size,weight,keyboard. Doesn't help either that on Sprint we only have one choice so far. I like it so far that I am willing to wait it all out.
I like the phone too. However WP7 is just not functional enough for me. To be honest I bought the hardware only and I am trying to figure out a way to change the OS. I need a vpn client with certificate support, full exchange support and good JAVA. Unfortunately this device supports nothing out of the box. No VPN, no Exchange sync via wifi ... Just that the JAVA is native, but I do not need it as I cannot connect to my corp system without VPN.
Further music and videos are pain in the ars as the most common formats are not supported.
Please review my questions in the Android on HTC arrive thread in this section if you have some extensive knowledge and if you are willing to help me run something different on this device.
No idea, friend. I had to forgo 4G to get this phone but WP7 was so compelling that there are now 2 gleeful Arrive users in my household. We love these things to pieces and Mango is going to make them even more excellent. I can seriously say that MS has knocked it out of the park with this one and I stand behind the platform all the way.
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I like the phone too. However WP7 is just not functional enough for me. To be honest I bought the hardware only and I am trying to figure out a way to change the OS. I need a vpn client with certificate support, full exchange support and good JAVA. Unfortunately this device supports nothing out of the box. No VPN, no Exchange sync via wifi ... Just that the JAVA is native, but I do not need it as I cannot connect to my corp system without VPN.
Further music and videos are pain in the ars as the most common formats are not supported.
Please review my questions in the Android on HTC arrive thread in this section if you have some extensive knowledge and if you are willing to help me run something different on this device.
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Sorry drelisimo, but I think that you are mistaken. WP7 certainly does support exchange sync over Wifi. I have done it on 4 different WP7 devices MANY times.
I agree that java and VPN are another matter, but then if you had done your homework before buying the device, you wouldn't have had any nasty suprises.
As I said I bought hardware with the idea to tackle the OS later somehow. I did my homework and I am not surprized.
Anyway, would you please tell me how did you sync your exchange over wifi? It always tells me that I need my data connections to be turned on.
Thanks.
as stated, probably the largest reason Windows Phone 7 sales are so slow is because sales representatives aren't pushing the products.
an example article found here --> You Can't Buy A Windows Phone If They Won't Sell You One.
sh4d0w86.
currently, there is a sales offer where i can get the 7 Pro for half the price, is it worth?
DAyellow said:
currently, there is a sales offer where i can get the 7 Pro for half the price, is it worth?
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The only 2 things its missing is tethering and downloading files straight to the phone.
If I had these two features there would be no doubt that this phone was huge upgrade from the tp1
Hopefully we'll get tethering figured out in the next few weeks and hopefully someone smarter than me is working on a way to download files to the phone
(did that all the time with mp3s on my tp1)
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The only 2 things its missing is tethering and downloading files straight to the phone.
If I had these two features there would be no doubt that this phone was huge upgrade from the tp1
Hopefully we'll get tethering figured out in the next few weeks and hopefully someone smarter than me is working on a way to download files to the phone
(did that all the time with mp3s on my tp1)
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I would say that the two biggest gaps are tethering and 3G-only. That being said, I love the device so much that I easily overlook those features.
I actually am fine with 3g. Almost everywhere I go has wifi. 4g kills battery life. 3g is pretty fast for most everything I do.
Mango will address every complaint I have, but until then, I am still a very happy camper.
I have not received the info, but after further research I just understood that I am asking stupid things.
Otherwise ... the phone is maybe the best piece of mobile hardware I have ever acquired.
Cheers.
I own a business and I'm my own secretary, so you could say I work 2 full time jobs. I have not touched my laptop for 2 years. Been using the various transformers as my daily driver. Currently, my infinity is being used daily for work. I have a laser printer mounted inside my car for me to print documents and invoices from my infinity. I do everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, on my infinity. Make my living with it. Run my entire business and keep all records on my infinity. And I keep a daily backup with dropbox.
It would be great if someone somewhere could develop cornerstone-like split screen ability for my infinity. Would make my life way way way better.
I'm kinda sad that it seems like no one has picked up cornerstone and tried to make it better. Lots of roms in development, and they kinda all look the same. I'm sorry if I have offended you, but that's what it looks like to me.
I know that the devs are using their own time to do what they love. And I thank them for it. What about google? How come they haven't picked up cornerstone or something like it so that their OS could be even more productive?
Like I said, I run a business with my infinity. Why won't google develop android to a point where it's more than just a toy for most people?
While this may not be what you want, you can always remote into a desktop somewhere, or even install ubuntu on the tablet itself.
Alternatively, there are many "floating" apps that allow you to run things in windows.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5teWJveWZyaWVuZGlzYWdlZWsuYWlyYnJvd3NlciJd
Hi i've tried to open a thread about that here but I haven't got a response as I wish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961027
I hope that someone could help us, lol
By the way, I couldn't download Overskreen web browser on playstore: it said "my device is not compatible" Thanks if smeone knows why
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using XDA Premium HD app
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It would be great if someone somewhere could develop cornerstone-like split screen ability for my infinity.
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Yes, I'd also like to see that. At least something like Windows 8 has.
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I'm kinda sad that it seems like no one has picked up cornerstone and tried to make it better. Lots of roms in development, and they kinda all look the same. I'm sorry if I have offended you, but that's what it looks like to me.
I know that the devs are using their own time to do what they love. And I thank them for it. What about google? How come they haven't picked up cornerstone or something like it so that their OS could be even more productive?
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CyanogenMod once planned to integrate Cornerstone, but Google threatened them to lock them out of the app store, because apparently they had concerns about app incompatibilities.
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Hi i've tried to open a thread about that here but I haven't got a response as I wish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961027
I hope that someone could help us, lol
By the way, I couldn't download Overskreen web browser on playstore: it said "my device is not compatible" Thanks if smeone knows why
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using XDA Premium HD app
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I couldn't care less for floating browsers. Again, unlike most other people, I don't treat my infinity as just a toy. I earn a living with my baby (my infinity). All my documents, records, invoices, etc. are kept in this thing.
How many people you know make a living armed with just a tablet-laptop hybrid? I'm not surprised the first response is to tell me to use a floating browser. People have trouble understanding how the infinity could be productive at all. They think I use my infinity to browse the web all day. And money grows on trees.
I believe the answer to your problem should be the ASUS Transformer Book, the upcoming hybrid from ASUS. Much as I love Android, Windows is the solution for all business needs.
Samsung and Google are in the loop on this Multi-View ability because right now SAMSUNG has rolled out Multi-View for the Galaxy Note 2 and now the Galaxy S III.
If SAMSUNG has worked on this Multi-View and Google's approved it, hopefully Google would be wise to get that feature available to every new Android device.
I am right there with you! I replace old laptops with these!
We give these out as laptop replacements for sales and marketing staff. They currently use the tf700 as a thin client replacement when at their desk- connected to a 24” hdmi monitor, usb hub with Ethernet, kb/mouse connected also. Many of them connect to a full desktop TS connection, but others are running a remote-app connection that allows the use of any company application without a full desktop having to be presented. This allows them to do most of their work on their android desktop and only launch those applications (like MS Office apps) that they have to. Their other choice would have been a thin client but obviously this is miles better!
I have always had an interest in cornerstone and really with that CM would have done it anyways. You can still use the tf700, just with limited ability to truly multitask. It may not make sense on all devices, but with the tf700, it would be a great device to setup a customizable app resizer to allow several apps to be open next to each other.
Same here.. I was excited when I did see Cornerstone for the first time. However was saddened to see how old it was and that none taken a stab at it for ours or someone else.
I would pay for such app or even a dev team to really implant this ability.
There was an alpha version of Cornerstone implemented on the Prime, but it certainly wasn't a daily driver...
To the OP - it may help if you provide a bit more info on what sort of apps you want multi task with. I use a browser quite a lot for work, but apparently you don't...
I also do a bit of coding in my spare time, and I've found apps like AirTerm (floating terminal), and ClipIt (universal clipboard) to be pretty helpful, appreciably when used with a floating keyboard and notepad...
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I believe the answer to your problem should be the ASUS Transformer Book, the upcoming hybrid from ASUS. Much as I love Android, Windows is the solution for all business needs.
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I know. I intend to buy the 14 inch i7 as soon as its available.
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I couldn't care less for floating browsers. Again, unlike most other people, I don't treat my infinity as just a toy. I earn a living with my baby (my infinity). All my documents, records, invoices, etc. are kept in this thing.
How many people you know make a living armed with just a tablet-laptop hybrid? I'm not surprised the first response is to tell me to use a floating browser. People have trouble understanding how the infinity could be productive at all. They think I use my infinity to browse the web all day. And money grows on trees.
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I kept on trying to use the TeamEos version of Cornerstone on my Xoom. It's a good idea, but a PITA to implement and use. The only windows that would work without fcing were browser and gmail. You could run one more app in the central window but it would fc sooner or later. Eos didn't officially support it and didn't port it to JB. It's a great idea, like i said, but a real work in process.
Was looking at the Galaxy Note 10.1 Premium Suite upgrade video the other day.
The multitasking was pretty impressive to me.
That's what Google should do. And make use of that virtual buttons black bar in multitasking as right now it is a damn waste of space.
You guys realize that even Google'rs have full-fledged company-issued Windows laptops and that while Google Docs is the "official" product used internally most have MS Office too for working with the outside world. And MS products (as well as others) are also used in the back office to comply with privacy and security requirements as well as data retention regulations. Using any Android tablet (or even Chrome Book) for mission critical work or when you have to share files externally isn't very practical. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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You guys realize that even Google'rs have full-fledged company-issued Windows laptops and that while Google Docs is the "official" product used internally most have MS Office too for working with the outside world. And MS products (as well as others) are also used in the back office to comply with privacy and security requirements as well as data retention regulations. Using any Android tablet (or even Chrome Book) for mission critical work or when you have to share files externally isn't very practical. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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I know. For a while, I was going back and forth between my windows 7 laptop and the original transformer. After months of this, I slowly but eventually stopped using my laptop completely and just carried around my transformer. Yes, there are limitations. I am fully aware of all of them. I carefully weighed out the advantages and disadvantages between a laptop and the transformer and eventually decided that the advantages of the tablet-laptop hybrid outweighed the advantages of the laptop.
This is why I have already put the money aside for the i7 14" transformer book. As soon as it becomes available, I will be among the first to get it.
To me, it's more than just something for the occasional work and game. It's my livelihood. Google seems to have trouble understanding that some of us just don't care much for the games that are available on android. We want true productivity, damn it!
In other news, quasars in iOS is kicking our asses.
jordanmw said:
I am right there with you! I replace old laptops with these!
We give these out as laptop replacements for sales and marketing staff. They currently use the tf700 as a thin client replacement when at their desk- connected to a 24” hdmi monitor, usb hub with Ethernet, kb/mouse connected also. Many of them connect to a full desktop TS connection, but others are running a remote-app connection that allows the use of any company application without a full desktop having to be presented. This allows them to do most of their work on their android desktop and only launch those applications (like MS Office apps) that they have to. Their other choice would have been a thin client but obviously this is miles better!
I have always had an interest in cornerstone and really with that CM would have done it anyways. You can still use the tf700, just with limited ability to truly multitask. It may not make sense on all devices, but with the tf700, it would be a great device to setup a customizable app resizer to allow several apps to be open next to each other.
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Just curious, which Android RDP client do you use for RemoteApp connections?
goodintentions said:
I know. For a while, I was going back and forth between my windows 7 laptop and the original transformer. After months of this, I slowly but eventually stopped using my laptop completely and just carried around my transformer. Yes, there are limitations. I am fully aware of all of them. I carefully weighed out the advantages and disadvantages between a laptop and the transformer and eventually decided that the advantages of the tablet-laptop hybrid outweighed the advantages of the laptop.
This is why I have already put the money aside for the i7 14" transformer book. As soon as it becomes available, I will be among the first to get it.
To me, it's more than just something for the occasional work and game. It's my livelihood. Google seems to have trouble understanding that some of us just don't care much for the games that are available on android. We want true productivity, damn it!
In other news, quasars in iOS is kicking our asses.
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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet. As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
Are there any specific Android apps you would like to see that support being in their own window?
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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet. As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
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That's what xda is for. Using things the way they were intended.
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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet.
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And people were never meant to fly thousands of feet in the air at incredible speeds, and yet millions of people do it every day.
As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
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I've already tried all of that. Too laggy for it to be of any use.
Are there any specific Android apps you would like to see that support being in their own window?
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Again, I'm not looking for specific floating apps. I'm a technophile. I've tried them all. What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
Don't get me wrong. For now, I've figured out how to get around all the limitations of android on the infinity. That's how I'm able to run my business with it.
I'm just disappointed and sadden that most people still see the tablet as just a toy and therefore keep developing it to act like a toy. Google's entire presentation of jellybean composed entirely of how great it is for gamming.
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What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
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It's called a netbook.
goodintentions said:
And people were never meant to fly thousands of feet in the air at incredible speeds, and yet millions of people do it every day.
I've already tried all of that. Too laggy for it to be of any use.
Again, I'm not looking for specific floating apps. I'm a technophile. I've tried them all. What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
Don't get me wrong. For now, I've figured out how to get around all the limitations of android on the infinity. That's how I'm able to run my business with it.
I'm just disappointed and sadden that most people still see the tablet as just a toy and therefore keep developing it to act like a toy. Google's entire presentation of jellybean composed entirely of how great it is for gamming.
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I agree using the tf700 for many work-related activities would make life simpler but I am always going back to windows if I need to write something and I can't even imagine trying to create a power point on this. I prefer reading on it but generally use it for entertainment. What kind of work arounds have you done to get this functional?
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It's called a netbook.
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And that's called sarcasm? I think his point is to move away from windows or to find a viable alternative.