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Don't slam me because I admit I'm a NOOB. I love my TP2 . . . best phone I've ever owned. Am I missing out by not waiting for an android phone?
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Don't slam me because I admit I'm a NOOB. I love my TP2 . . . best phone I've ever owned. Am I missing out by not waiting for an android phone?
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I have had these 3 phones..Iphone, G1 and HTC Touch Pro 2. The Iphone is the best phone i have owned but the AT&T service killed it! Just Bad service all the way around....Same as the G1 with T-Mobile....seemed like a good phone but NO SERVICE! I wanted to hate the TP2 because of the windows mobile part of it but I have to say I like it very much. I also like the fact im back on Verizon. I am like you and thinking I might miss out on something by not getting the new Android phone but I would stick with the TP2 for awhile.its a good phone.
Won't lie to you and tell you I know much about android. What I do know, however, is that there is a site (link below) that compares "PalmPre vs. iPhone vs. WinMo vs. Android vs. BlackBerry"
In it the writer in the article had very little love for the Android system (at this time), but eluded to the fact that it could be the next big thing, someday. Take a look for yourself and decide.
http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/01/palmpre-vs-iphone-vs-winmo-vs-android-vs-blackberry-fight/
That article is 9 months old, I haven't even heard of the android at that time( I really wasn't into phones that much then anyways, but still ). And he was basing all his tests on the G1, I hope someone writes an updated article of that( I like his style ), and compares it to the droid that is out for verizon. I personally have 24 days until I can get a phone, it's between the TP2, and the droid, but I hear they are in the works of porting android 2 to the TP2 so...
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That article is 9 months old, I haven't even heard of the android at that time( I really wasn't into phones that much then anyways, but still ). And he was basing all his tests on the G1, I hope someone writes an updated article of that( I like his style ), and compares it to the droid that is out for verizon. I personally have 24 days until I can get a phone, it's between the TP2, and the droid, but I hear they are in the works of porting android 2 to the TP2 so...
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I agree, I have sent them an e-mail requesting the same article, but updated with new software/firmware/hardware.
I would recommend that you, and anyone else who wants it, do the same.
http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/sendmessage.php
Once there, click on Request review, do their little non-bot verification thing and then be sure to include the following:
1. The Original Article Link - http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/01/palmpre-vs-iphone-vs-winmo-vs-android-vs-blackberry-fight/
2. That you request the same article, but updated with the new software versions, Firmware, and hardware.
I've used both. After I got past the initial excitement of the newness of it, I didn't find anything that gave one phone a significant advantage over the other. At first, it seemed really cool, but it was more of a new car effect. Once I settled in the coolness faded and it was just another OS. If choosing between an Android phone and a Windows phone, I would let the hardware be your guide, not the OS. Just my $0.02.
Edit... actually, I should mention one area Android does shine, not surprisingly, it's integration with Google. If you are a heavy Google apps user then Android wins. Otherwise, my comments above apply.
Again, I don't know much about android... However, I've just gotten used to WinMo and it's seemless integration with Windows Operating systems through it's various Mobile versions of Windows Apps (Word, Excell, Outlook, etc) (FYI, I rarely, if ever, Use Active Sync, which is a piece of $#!+). I've also gotten really used to the wide range of free apps and endless stream of mods for WinMo Phones.
I believe that it really depends on 1) what you are use to, 2) what you are looking for, and 3) what, if anything, you are comfortable compromising on. Bottom line, I cannot make up someone's mind, only offer my opinion and experience and encourage someone to make up their own mind.
Edit... actually, I should mention one area Android does shine, not surprisingly, it's integration with Google. If you are a heavy Google apps user then Android wins. Otherwise, my comments above apply.
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I would be interested to see how this works. The only thing I really use from the Google apps is the Google Maps. I do have the GPS software, and Bing. However, I've found that usually (not always) when I cannot find something with one GPS/Map software, one of the other two will find it. But to say I use that heavily is not totally true. I also use the other apps very little, if any. So Overall, though I would like to see how it works, I don't believe that Android is for me.
After spending all weekend with the Droid. There are a few things it does better.
Integrated search, and voice control. Secondly it is much quicker to switch tasks. Amazon MP3 store is really great to have integrated as well
Aside from that even playing with OpenHome skins, I think the most recent version of HTC Sense 2.5 for the TP2 is a much better interface.
Android claims it is such an open platform but they dont have sites like PPC or XDA to support their phones yet.
Windows Mobiles biggest problem is its windows mobile. Its not the trend, and there is so much negative press about it that people overlook it.
I love my windows mobile device. I have the TP2. I have seen where people have flashed the TP to Andriod and it seems to work well. Im thinking of doing it to my old TP. The Driod is very cool. My store just got a shippment in. But it hasnt impressed me enought to switch. Flash my old TP maybe. Since it just sits in its box.
Tried it out, but didn't like it. Android isn't really an operating system it's more like a "skin" for a really poor operating system.
System preferences and commands aren't congregated in one place.
Apps can't be saved to an external memory card. You can't back them up, either.
Preferences and customization is limited, compared to what you can do with Windows Mobile.
As far as being an "idiot proof" OS it still has a pretty high learning curve, and compared to the iPhone, which has an elegant UI, one that I respect tremendously despite my dislike of AT&T and Apple products in general, it doesn't measure up.
Last of all, call quality sucks compared to my TP2. I've been on a train and people can still hear me clear as day.
Win Mob 6.5
Windows mobile is not at all horrible.I’ve had the best experience using winmo 6.5 on HTC HD2.The QWERTY keypad makes it soo easy to send messages, its even helpful for browsing.it Even has the in-built apps such as facebook widget,MSN widget etc.
Android has an excellent feature, where if you click on a phone number in a webpage, it will dial that number for you. TP2 can't do that. This gives Android a HUGE usability advantage over TP2 (and other WM phones).
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Android has an excellent feature, where if you click on a phone number in a webpage, it will dial that number for you. TP2 can't do that. This gives Android a HUGE usability advantage over TP2 (and other WM phones).
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actually... TP2 DOES do that...
I use both and they are both good phones. I would not give up my TP2 to use a Droid full time, but it does have its advantages.
The Droids screen is nice, but so is the TP2. The keyboard on the TP2 blows the Droids away.
The voice search on the DROID is awesome, much better and accurate than TellME, which I do have working on my TP2.
Droid is more responsive and the Android marketplace is great, but I have XDA for my TP2
Droid ships with a 16GB memory card, which is nice.
I like and use both the tilting screen and TV out on the TP2. Droid does neither. Just my 2 cents
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Android has an excellent feature, where if you click on a phone number in a webpage, it will dial that number for you. TP2 can't do that. This gives Android a HUGE usability advantage over TP2 (and other WM phones).
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Um, seriously, man... this has been a feature of WinMo Phones for quite a while. In fact, most apps that can display a phone number (GPS, Google, Windows Live, any browser that I've used, etc) do allow you to click on them and call them. Most of them require that you confirm it, making sure you pressed the right one, but, other than that the functionality is there.
The only thing that I like Google/Google Maps over the rest of them is that when you dial a number from it's search list, it will transfer the name of that listing (e.g. "Tom's Tire") to the call history and associate it with that number. This does make it a lot easier to go back and find a number that I wouldn't have normally saved. Other than that, they are all pretty even.
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Um, seriously, man... this has been a feature of WinMo Phones for quite a while. In fact, most apps that can display a phone number (GPS, Google, Windows Live, any browser that I've used, etc) do allow you to click on them and call them. Most of them require that you confirm it, making sure you pressed the right one, but, other than that the functionality is there.
The only thing that I like Google/Google Maps over the rest of them is that when you dial a number from it's search list, it will transfer the name of that listing (e.g. "Tom's Tire") to the call history and associate it with that number. This does make it a lot easier to go back and find a number that I wouldn't have normally saved. Other than that, they are all pretty even.
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Ummm, seriously, out-of-the-box TP2 (I know I just took mine out of the box) the TP2 *doesn't* do this. Is there a special setting for this or does Verizon (where I got my TP2) disable this feature? I don't think you have your facts straight... WM might be able to do this, but TP2 *does not*
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Ummm, seriously, out-of-the-box TP2 (I know I just took mine out of the box) the TP2 *doesn't* do this. Is there a special setting for this or does Verizon (where I got my TP2) disable this feature? I don't think you have your facts straight... WM might be able to do this, but TP2 *does not*
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Most definitely does do it. Use Bing, web, or email with phone #s displayed. I can click to dial them.
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Ummm, seriously, out-of-the-box TP2 (I know I just took mine out of the box) the TP2 *doesn't* do this. Is there a special setting for this or does Verizon (where I got my TP2) disable this feature? I don't think you have your facts straight... WM might be able to do this, but TP2 *does not*
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Well, I have the Sprint TP2.... I've never really had this problem. To tell the truth, I am not a big fan of Verizon after they screwed ma a few years back. It wouldn't surprise me if they did.
On a separate note, there are a few places I have seen that it doesn't come up as a clickable link, but that is usually due to poor formatting.
To tell the truth, I rarely use the function. I find TeleNav (or Sprint Navigation, as it is on the sprint phone) to be a much easier way of doing things. Google Maps, Bing, and various other apps are also excellent way of searching for phone numbers. Both Bing (Initally called Windows Live "out of the box" but prompts for update soon after) and TeleNav (I know is available on Sprint phones and most AT&T phones) are available "out of the box" and can do what you are looking for.
If I cannot find a number through them, I know of many mobile sites that offer look-up services that show the phone numbers as links, regardless of what browser you are using.
I guess I had taken it for granted that phone numbers have always been available to me and with very little work, if any.
Maybe it needs further looking into, by both us the consumers, and the makers of our software.
Good luck with Verizon.
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Most definitely does do it. Use Bing, web, or email with phone #s displayed. I can click to dial them.
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What?? Are you sure? So if you go to: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/pa/recordedforecasts.php (using Opera or IE on your TP2) the phone numbers there are links that you can click on? How did you do that? Mine doesn't and right now it is bone stock (about to flash NRG LEO ROM). I have a Verizon TP2.
I'd much prefer Android over WinMo. I tried 6.5 roms on the vogue and disliked it even more than 6.1.
Granted I haven't got to look into WinMo's new market, but the Android one is nice.
Google Maps navigation in 2.0 is really nice.
Push on my Gmail.
Nice integration on my Google Voice.
Or Guava with my Gizmo5 account so I can use Google Voice over 3g data for free phone calls. I have yet to find a good sip program to integrate with gizmo5 and google voice in WinMo.
How much of Android is ported to the TP2? I'm looking at upgrading and don't like Sprint's Android options at the current moment. Wondering about picking up the TP2 and wondering if I could sale it for enough to grab the next android phone. Unless the android port is 100%.
Hi all,
I am new to the forum and am in the process of updating my Next G phone. I am limited by time as my current phone [Blackberry Bold 9000] is fast becoming unusable and I will have to make a choice quickly, maybe tomorrow. The HD2 impressed me, especially with the Roms being developed and available. Making Windows more user friendly and taking the phone to its best. Talking with my phone provider - Telstra, they informed me that the HTC Desire is just now on the market and I am reading glowing reports on the latest Android system and the Desire... So I have been researching all I can on these 2 phones. I have only a little Windows mobile experience from some years ago with an Imate, however have no experience with the Android system.
I don't plan on returning to Blackberry and have narrowed my choice to ether the HD2 or the Desire... This phone will be on a renewed 24 month business contract, so is a phone I will "be with" for sometime! I do understand many of the criticisms of Windows mobile and the very positive reaction to the latest Android system. Also that the all new Windows 7 will be available later in the year. The Desire reads very well in its specs and the few reviews that are available have it as the one to beat for 2010? The HD2 has had much more reviews and comment available, having been on the market longer. Many people satisfied with the phone in standard form [and some not so] and many very happy with it in its modified form with custom Rom.... My decision doesn't seem easier.
Some areas I am thinking on are - Will the HD2 become dated quickly, with fewer windows 6.5 apps and less dev work once the totally new Windows 7 becomes available and the new handsets reach the market? Does this make the current Desire with its latest Android system a better long term option as it is not faced with the release of a whole new operating system just around the corner within its brand and apps and updates will continue to grow? Part of me is saying go with my original choice of the HD2 and its big screen, with a custom Rom. AND, part of me is saying go with the new Android Desire.... ohhh and yes I have read reference to Dev work being done on Windows 7 for the HD2 [That's a potential plus]
Unfortunately I am not in a situation of being able to handle and get to know these phones pre purchase. However would be interested to hear the thoughts of others ie: what would have you chose one over the other?
cheers,
Cam...
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I would prefer Leo
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I've had both What do you want it for? If you need WM for office use get the HD2 otherwise get the desire! Android is much better in a social aspect I would say. The only thing I like about the HD2 was the Sense overlay and it is the same if not better on the desire
Oh and there is a gameboy advanced emulator on the desire which works great... just in case that would be a deciding factor for you
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I've had both What do you want it for? If you need WM for office use get the HD2 otherwise get the desire! Android is much better in a social aspect I would say. The only thing I like about the HD2 was the Sense overlay and it is the same if not better on the desire
Oh and there is a gameboy advanced emulator on the desire which works great... just in case that would be a deciding factor for you
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Morphgear and Fpsece work well on the HD2.
I must say I prefer the look of the HD2 and the bigger screen, but android is just that much better than WM and thus think you should get the desire.
I am a farmer/rancher and also have a small business importing workwear/casual wear from the USA. I will use the phone for accessing manufacturer websites. Storing photos of my products. Recording expenses, checking weather updates. Email and Instant messaging... I do travel from time to time and recently sat next to a guy on a flight who was wathcing James Bond movies on his Ipod touch. That was neat I did contact HTC Australia a month ago, to see if the HD2 would be released with Android here Down Under, but was told not planned at present and my contact and interest would be passed on. Of course thats what is always said. I have to think long term use out of this phone ie: to 24 months - The Desire seems a great choice, however would the HD2 with an aftermarket custom Rom be equally as good? Which is the best rom around right now? Will Windows 6.5 App availability continue to rise once Windows 7 hits the streets or will it taper off? Android Apps I am sure will continue to grow...
I have a Leo, so far i love it in every way possible. I had an android device before and i think they are a lot easier to use. Yet i still wouldn't trade my Leo for the world
Yes, my personal preference is Android. WM has always proved to be too slow and buggy for me. But hey, it's all about YOUR preference. You can't really go on what we say. 10/10 of us might say get one phone, and you might get it and hate it. Too bad you can't try before you buy on cell phones. :/
I totally agree and am not looking to be told what direction to take. More intertested in hearing why others would choose one phone over the other...
Yep woud great to handle both phones and see them working. I live rural, tho did get into Telstra shop to take a look, but had nothing for me to see working.
Cheers.
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I totally agree and am not looking to be told what direction to take. More intertested in hearing why others would choose one phone over the other...
Yep woud great to handle both phones and see them working. I live rural, tho did get into Telstra shop to take a look, but had nothing for me to see working.
Cheers.
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I never buy a phone I didn't get to at least play with first. All the videos and reviews in the world couldn't change that.
I like that policy too. However when u live rural, somethings are not possible and research is your best tool...
I would go with the Desire. The HD2 is running Windows Mobile 6.5, which is still pretty much the same underlying Windows CE kernel that's been in use since Windows Mobile 5. Because been confirmed that the HD2 will not recieve an offical Windows Mobile 7 upgrade, meaning your new shiny phone will be obsolete by the end of the year, you likely be stuck with this obsolete operating system forever if you buy this device. The only option would be an unofficial port of Windows Phone 7 to the HD2, but I'm not sure how that is coming along lately.
Conversely, Android is constantly undergoing development, and seeing as the Desire is a top of the line Android device, updates to the latest versions of Android are pretty much guaranteed for that device. The Desire will probably have support for longer than the HD2, considering it won't be obsolete only a few months after you bought it.
I don't think that you could go wrong when choosing a new device, as they're both top of the line smartphones with grade A hardware and XDA behind them, but IMO the Desire is the superior of the two.
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I like that policy too. However when u live rural, somethings are not possible and research is your best tool...
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Lol, you're talking to a guy who would drive at least an hour no question, just to play with a phone to make sure I liked it. You can't be THAT rural. Can you? o.o
Thanks Dave, I do appreciate all you have said. I did read that Microsoft was not going to allow Windows 7 to be installed on the HD2 and that there were devs out there working on Windows 7 as an unofficial OS for the HD2. The desire is a great option and makes sense, especially for the obvious reasons you mention... I have managed to gain a couple of extra days to make a decision, as I will not be in a mobile service area and not in desperate need of the phone till Monday. Thanks again...
Hi R3s,
I take it you havent been to Australia? At present I am a 6 hour round trip from the nearest Telstra shop. [Telstra is the contracted provider of these phones right now.] Also a week ago, on a visit to the nearest Telstra shop to my home - a 2 hour return trip, I was informed there will be no shop demos available of these phones, only the non functioning store dummies! Which is the norm... I will travel 6 hours for a beer, but not 6 hours to look at a phone!, especially a store dummy So I will keep researching.
In your opinion (keep it short please) what is the difference between win mobile and android and pros and cons please?
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George
Android pros:
Open source
Huge market proliferation (ensuring compatability and development)
Huge app market
Stable faster linux kernel
Winmobile pro:
More compatable with windows
Wifi router (until froyo)
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I have 2 Windows phones and 2 Android phones and I can't think of a single thing the Windows phones do better than the Android phones.
Well, when I got my phone at T mobile today (I was tired of att and verizon, long story..) I asked for an android phone and I get home and see it's a windows phone...?
Mind you, I'm not surprised considering they didn't even know what GSM is when I asked if t mobile was gsm.
I LIKE the fact that it acts as a hot spot so what is FROYO?
I also thing I'l like droid better so here's the question, do they make the HD2 for android and is it available for t mobile?
Also, the navigation on the windows hd2 I have seems totally retarded...
Yes, the droid (I had the 8183) was much better.
Does it mean I liked the 8183? Nope and whoever the idiot is that wrote the software that only lets you use a FRACTION of the big a$$ screen to display info, phone numbers, names and such should be shot, SLOWLY!
You guys have NO idea how many countless hours I've spent in frustration, trying to find a way to SEE things on the screen with my $hitty eyesight and all because some moron is too stupid to figure out that MAYBE they should start with making the BASICS work on the phone.
You know, kinda like the iPhone. It was great, EXCEPT at being a friggin' PHONE! Let's see, iPHONE, what part of phone didn't you understand?
Sadly enough, ALL these idiots make more money at what they do than I do
Thanks
George
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In your opinion (keep it short please) what is the difference between win mobile and android and pros and cons please?
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George
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xda-developers > Android Development and Hacking > Android Apps and Games
FAIL.
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I have 2 Windows phones and 2 Android phones and I can't think of a single thing the Windows phones do better than the Android phones.
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Well, I loved MyPhone on Windows Mobile. And I just have my Android for 3 days, but I haven't found something as good and for free yet.
Next to that, I can't think of anything I missed yet. Even eBuddy managed to easily fulfill my needs of MSN/WLM. Even with offline messaging.
There are two things i don't like about android:
First, there isn't only one good videoplayer(ffmpeg is a must have!) EDIT: Rockplayer is a nice start, but the fps is ~100% lower than the ones i get with coreplayer
And i havent found something like Audiobooster.
Try both and take the OS which you prefer
Android Cons:
None
Windows Mobile Cons (based on my experience with 6.1 Buisness):
Too hard to install games and apps
Not enough games and apps
Not user friendly
Too slow response
Android pros:
huge application
Google serious to maintain the android development
Android Cons:
No Wifi proxy support
hard to copy paste beetwen app
Winmobile cons:
too late microsoft your windows mobile is dying. your development team is slow
Old win 6.5 kernel..
windows phone 7 is too late to release...your market app is not working...
all developer moving to another platform
No multitasking support for windows 7...thats shame
Search for rockbase player for videos. Funambol or mybackup pro for closest to myphone off the top of my head.
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there's a lot of things to look at but the best way to choose is this.
if you are running an app and it has issues or require a bit of memory, window will lock up and then you have to reset the phone.
with android you'll get a force close notification which you just ok it and keep using it with out having to reset.
Android FTW
Android:
Fast
User friendly
great multitasking
many apps and great games
works better on slow phones
user driven market
WM:
horrible performance, only WM phone with good performance is the hd2
bad multitasking, but happily arkswitch makes it easier
almost no 3d games, marketplace is not worth a ****
OK, As a windows Fanboy turned android here is the main thing Windows does better than android: Multimedia!!
Android is still new to the game and in my opinion hasn't really got a good video and music player. There are some ones that can pass but compared to Windows and iphone they are not that great. On the flip side I plan on developing my own music player which counts for the openness of android. WinMo is arguably just as open BUT with them going a different direction with WM7 I had to jump ship. As for Androids advantages......everything else is just as good if not better than windows (except how they manage the SD card)
Well, the few minutes I've spent with the windows platform already makes me hate it. Whoever did the software for the HD2 is totally retarded. I couldn't even get myself out of whatever app happened to come on last night and I was about ready to throw this big piece of $hit out the window.
I now know what Froyo is and if I'm not mistaken, it'll have a wifi proxy which I guess it to be is that it acts like a hot spot which should put a damper on some of the greedy phone companies (IF it is released on their phones) like ATT who charges you another 30 bucks extra for connecting to your laptop.
That to me is bull**** and greed and IS costing them customers.
Verizon is better with that but I hate their support AND I think their coverage in my area is worse. The support is TOTALLY useless and I left them once because of it and I will AGAIN leave them I think and yes, mainly because of it.
I'll try the t mobile service out for a week or so and if the coverage is good, I'll return this locked piece of $hit and get me one of the unlocked phones from NEgri Electronics. If anyone hasn't heard of them yet (which kinda would surprise me) here they are...
I mean, seriously, in order NOT to pay the full price at t mobile, I have to sign up for two years AND the phone is locked which means I can't use proggies like this one which I NEED! http://www.androlib.com/android.application.org-pbxes-fontsize-BiEA.aspx
For a buck fitty (not fifty, fitty, like fitty cents) I can get this proggy which could fix my problem but I can't do it on a locked phone. Well, they can ki$$ my ass then with all the restrictions. I'll get this one for example http://negrielectronics.com/touch-smartphone-unlocked-tmobile-2747.html , get me a monthly account instead and I can put anything I want on it. Now how the hell can I go wrong with that, AND, they're easier to sell should you want to get rid of them.
Put some of this stuff on it and some silicone case on it and you can sell it years later looking brand new which is what I did with my iPhone.
I'm going to wait for a week or so and decide if I like tmobile and if I do, I'll tell verizon where they can stick their phone.
Would you believe I had to make THREE attempts to get them to port my att number over and meanwhile, I'm paying ATT for the account. I even called and talked to VERIZON people to make sure it got done right and in BOTH cases, they screwed it up. I finally got it done the right IN The store, a WEEK after!
After all this crap AND a busted phone that was only two weeks old, I tried to get a free charging cable from one of the store manager, NOT a charger or the ac adapter thingie, just the stinkin' cable and he wouldn't even give me that. Now that is tacky and petty. Oh, the reason I wanted another cable was so I could keep one in the car cause that piece of $hit pre wouldn't hold a charge over 5-6 hours and let's not talk about TALKING time. This was a LITTLE talking and lots of stand by.
What a damn joke.
I like the pre platform and concept in general and I have several PDA's that are PALM but the PRE phone, they kinda dropped the ball on a little.
No on screen keyboard (now how hard is that to figure out), the actual keyboard should have been horizontal for size and the damn thing is a gas guzzler, AND, I don't see an option to keep the damn notifications from coming up and crowding your screen when you turn it on. Also, it's slow as $hit from when you click that you want the keypad till it finally opens up.
NO Predictive dialing and you can't get the beautiful HUGE clock to stay on top that I know of. Again, how hard is that to figure out? Does this take so long to program into the software? I mean, they almost went belly up. You'd think they had the TIME and STAFF to do things right. Sheesh!
Anyway, enough bitc*in'
George
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Again, how hard is that to figure out? Does this take so long to program into the software? I mean, they almost went belly up. You'd think they had the TIME and STAFF to do things right. Sheesh!
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That's not how business works. Any phone advertised on TV (like the Pre) is designed for general consumers (people who don't care about the things you're talking about). It would be a terrible business decision to spend more time and money incorporating things that 99% of their target market don't care about or don't even know they're missing. If you're posting on XDA you're probably a lot more tech savvy than the average consumer, thus phones marketed towards the average consumer won't have 100% of the features you request. I always like to buy phones that are rarer and not advertised, mainly because I like having stuff that other people don't have, but also because they usually end up being a cut above the rest of the phones on the market.
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If I were you guiri_too, and can afford it, I'd order the Nexus One unlocked and as soon as it arrives, root the thing, put Froyo on it (if I could find it) and take that winblows phone back to T-Mobile. I can't believe they gave you that after asking for an Android phone. That has to be one of the dumbest salesmen ever! Or if you want to stay with T-Mobile and happen to like Sense (Espresso Sense), pick up the the MyTouch Slide. It has a keyboard, MS Exchange support and is pretty snappy to boot (speaking of boot, it only takes about a minute from hitting the power button to making a call). If you need a more business-like phone, I would suggest the Sprint Evo 4G. It's the same size as the HD2, 4.3", but it's Android. The UI looks like the HD2 as well (Sense), but it's a lot quicker and more stable. A friend of mine picked this up after having the Sprint Hero, which he got after the TouchPro (winmo) and couldn't be happier.
As far as the original question, I can only give you an anecdote; when I got my G1, my wife had a Wing which she hated. After a few months of watching me play with my phone all the time, and her Wing being replaced twice, she bought hers and was instantly hooked. We have been android fans ever since. So the advantages of Android for me are awesome stability, openness and apps, of which you don't have to use the market for (unless you get an ATT android).
Let me try to address the replies in one window.
First as for being tech savvy, yeah, I guess I am and I've been around long enough to be picky, HOWEVER, my BASIC needs are a phone I can HEAR and SEE. How come Nextel have speakers that you can hear clear across the next state and this thing I got, the HD2 I can barely hear with the fans in the car running despite them telling me it was really loud...?
Sure, I want a lot of stuff but if you read through all my info, you'll see that some of the things i don't really care about like social networking, streaming video, mp3 player and much more. LARGE FONT! How the hell hard is that to figure out? I mean, for those here who program and considering it's even in very simple programs. IS IT THAT hard to have an option of making the font bigger?
To Heybob. Bob, the problem is that I can't try and see these phones live so to speak. ALL the phones at tmobile are dummies or at least the ones I'm interested in.
Second, to be quite honest and when I think about it, I am not sure if she did mention this one was windows but I DID tell her I prefered android. In any case, NOT knowing what GSM is or if tmobile was GSM is not something I can let slide, ESPECIALLY considering she was the manager...
Now, so far, my tmobile coverage has seemed good. Yes, the phone as in the UI is still totally retarded so the windows OS has got to go. More than likely when I return this, if I still like tmobile then, I'll get a phone from Negri that's unlocked and if I'm not mistaken, he HAS Froyo phones in stock. Hold, gonna call and check..yep, he's got Nexus One with Froyo ready to ship.
Tell'em George with the long wish list sent ya if you buy one. Not that I think I'll get any referrals but hey, it never hurts when it comes time to bug them about finding me the right phone.
Anyway, back to the phones. I do NOT like this windows UI so that one is out. I like that I have found a site with something like 80,000+ apps all in one place and although I'm not stingy, when you're TRYING apps and don't know if you'll like them or not, it helps if they're cheap or free. I got something on hte Pre I didn't like but hell ,I wasn't about to ask for a $1.50 refund.
Many of the windows apps were $15 or around there. I'm not paying it if I can't get a refund if I don't like the software and I AM picky with software too.
By the way, is there someone here that has a rooted android phone that wouldn't mind putting this font proggy on there (hell, I'll be happy to pay for it at only 2 bucks or something) and show me the different font size options? http://www.androlib.com/android.application.org-pbxes-fontsize-BiEA.aspx
I WAS going to do that but as you know, I didn't get a droid phone
I showed this dude on the androlib forum this proggy. He gets it, his wife likes it (he got it for her) and now he's too busy to show me some screen captures. Thanks a lot
George
I've owned 4 different winmo phones and I can say that android leaves those respond FOOLS in the dust.
Android is more compatible with exchange server than windows mobile solution or blackberry.
Work gets done faster and I smile a lot more now.
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Well, I just took a few pictures of the HD2 to show people what I'm facing to illustrate it a little better.
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Hello everyone!
I will buy a new phone this week and i want to know your opinion to decide which model should i decide for.
In relation to Operative Systems, in terms of apps, games, development, contacts, and updates, it's better to chose Android or WM?
And what models do you reccomend in the OS that you indicate?
Thank's!
Unless there's a specific WM application you need (which appears to be the case so far, there is some specific scientific measurement application that does not exist on Android) then I would say go to Android. That is, if you've never used either before: Android all the way.
Model? HTC Desire
Which Phone OS Should I Select?
APista said:
Hello everyone!
I will buy a new phone this week and i want to know your opinion to decide which model should i decide for.
In relation to Operative Systems, in terms of apps, games, development, contacts, and updates, it's better to chose Android or WM?
And what models do you reccomend in the OS that you indicate?
Thank's!
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I know that WM is on its last legs, but I still love it and the HTC phones that use the OS. But just looking at a phone is just the first step. Look at the cost, not only of the phone but of the 2 year service contract (especially with the data plan). For example, the phone may be $200 but the 2 year service may add over $2400 to that cost.
And what about service? AT&T is threatening to limit internet use. Sprint (which has the best Android phone, the Evo) may have poor coverage in your area.
Is there hidden fees? I hear that Verizon still has roaming fees within the US.
So don't just look at which OS is best, look at the whole picture. It can get very frustrating if those monthly bills keep growing or that dropped calls is an issue, or that the use of the internet is limited, especially if you are tied to a 2 year contract.
I recently switched to Android after using WM for over 4 years. I don't regret it a bit. Android is the future.
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It really just depends on your interests. I have a thing for having my phone work exactly how I want it, I make lists of thing I don't like and find solutions for all of my problems. So if your a totally anal perfectionist, wm may just be your thing.
I don't have much experience with android, but my experiences were pretty positive. The only thing that bothers me is the reliance on hardware buttons to go back and home. It just seems like a bit annoying for me. But its definetly the future, there are thousands of apps and very good support across the forums.
For windows mobile, if you like touching and stuff, HD2 is definetly the way.
For android I'm not 100% sure but I hear the evo and desire are good. Personally pretty much all the android phones look pretty much the same to me.
Pretty much, if you want the smoothest, most pretty and reliable experience, go android.
If you want total customisation and be able to modify the device to suit your needs, go
WM.
On the subject of plans and whatnot, I always buy my phones outright and go prepaid since its the best option for me. But its up to you about your plans.
Android wins here. No contest.
I'm not even putting into consideration that WinMo 6.x is no longer being developed.
I'm going to assume that you've used WinMo before and have not used Android yet. If you have, you wouldn't be asking this.
You may have just flashed a new ROM on your WinMo device. You would think it's fast and snappy. But in fact, compared to even an average Android device, your tricked out WinMo device is actually still significantly slower.
http://jason-says.blogspot.com/2010/03/reasons-i-leaving-windows-mobile-for.html
http://jason-says.blogspot.com/2010/04/thoughts-on-android-from-former-windows.html
I have until 12AM tonight to decide if I accept a 7 Pro / HTC Arrive for £120.
The offer is tempting however having researched WM7 I just don't know if I should wait and get a cheap TP2 with 6.5 instead.
It seems everything I loved about WM6.5 is gone in WM7 which appears to be more like an iOS interface and locked out of many apps. I know there is some improvement in Mango but this just seems to be more of an enhancement over the original canvas.
Currently using a TP1 but the keys have worn out.
Any contributions would be appreciated.
matt09 said:
I have until 12AM tonight to decide if I accept a 7 Pro / HTC Arrive for £120.
The offer is tempting however having researched WM7 I just don't know if I should wait and get a cheap TP2 with 6.5 instead.
It seems everything I loved about WM6.5 is gone in WM7 which appears to be more like an iOS interface and locked out of many apps. I know there is some improvement in Mango but this just seems to be more of an enhancement over the original canvas.
Currently using a TP1 but the keys have worn out.
Any contributions would be appreciated.
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What do you use your phone for? What would you want to use your phone for?
How much does the apps matter to you? What apps do you 'need'?
Are you into Music subscriptions? Are you into Xbox games?
I don't use an Xbox and am not interested in music subscriptions.
I don't tend to use it for internet much either, mainly calls and texts but I have alot of rare apps relating to hobbies like tone signal generators and other stuff, it seems all of these would be gone.
Is it true that the phone can still not be accessed as a drive and has to go through web software still as this really puts me off the device.
matt09 said:
I don't use an Xbox and am not interested in music subscriptions.
I don't tend to use it for internet much either, mainly calls and texts but I have alot of rare apps relating to hobbies like tone signal generators and other stuff, it seems all of these would be gone.
Is it true that the phone can still not be accessed as a drive and has to go through web software still as this really puts me off the device.
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I think in that case 6.5 is mostly a better choice. However the Gen1 phones have gone to a stage full unlock where you could use the root tools to edit registry, custom ROMs, use file explorers, advanced config tool etc - that lets you use your phone to side load apps, more or less as an usb drive too. However, I am not very sure if all your apps can come with you. The kernel is different and I am pretty sure there will be limitations to it.
I am guessing there is no way a stock WM 6.5 install would work on this phone?
It seems a dreadful shame that such a great piece of hardware is essentially going to waste from locked software since the specs of this phone are very nice.
Thanks
matt09 said:
I am guessing there is no way a stock WM 6.5 install would work on this phone?
It seems a dreadful shame that such a great piece of hardware is essentially going to waste from locked software since the specs of this phone are very nice.
Thanks
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i personally have an htc 7 pro which is the arrive. and i can say after 10/11 month of use, its a really good phone. i have all the apps that i need, and WP7 is just the future, and dont look back on wm6.5. or do you still run you PC on a win95??? just look in the future, there are coming all the apps that you need for wp7 in the future, but the new ones arent coming to wm6.5.
and the future for wp7 holds a new system, which is about to come later this year. i mea nthe wp8. and all thing tend that its an update that all users of wp7 get. sooner or later
matt09 said:
I am guessing there is no way a stock WM 6.5 install would work on this phone?
It seems a dreadful shame that such a great piece of hardware is essentially going to waste from locked software since the specs of this phone are very nice.
Thanks
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Not at the moment. The system is pretty much locked down and secured. Even if someone is able to have custom ROMs on most WP7.5 phones, I think they might prefer making custom WP7.5 ROMs. It might be hard to find a ROM chef willing to port a WM6.5 to WP7.5 hardware!
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Not at the moment. The system is pretty much locked down and secured
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Ok thanks that pretty much settles it then, i just wish it was possible to upgrade the TP2 hardware there seems to be no equivalent other than the expensive Droid phones
matt09 said:
Ok thanks that pretty much settles it then, i just wish it was possible to upgrade the TP2 hardware there seems to be no equivalent other than the expensive Droid phones
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Could you not keep your old phone as your toy for hobbies and get a new WP7 phone? You never know you might like it! Plus in a few months or even a year while you continue your hobbies on the old phone, someone might be able to think of having 6.5 on WP7 (to me I will still be surprised if anyone wants to go back!)?
I am saying this with a huge stone on my heart and bitting a few too many bullets but ---
IF you think one of the droid boys can let you use your old hobby apps on those phones, get a droid.
I have the 7 Pro and I have to say it really is a great phone. I wouldnt go back to TP2 or similar anymore.