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Why IPhone will beat them all.

After looking at the presentation of IPhone 3G v3.0 and already have read the articles about the WM v6.5 and v7.0, a huge disappointment came over me.
You see I am a top shouter in my environment for the HTC phones which are all equipped with the WM OS's.
The greatest impression on me where some articles about guys(who seemed in my eyes a real priority on this, i am dutch so not quickly impressed by anything), who wrote all similar story's about the WM v6.5/7.0. Stating Microsoft is not at all doing anything to compete with the Google and APPLE OS's. There are just very few improvements and absolutely not at all impressive enough as the IPhone OS.
Reading some article they are looking for a lead developer for the new core for WM v7.0 are not honored and contradicting, like saying oke guys i know the current OS is ****ty so we need to start over, can anyone help us?
That is not the sort of message I as WM lover like to hear.
It seems that Apple is just about the only one who is really listening to the users and they are working their ass off getting all requested functionality integrated. APPLE have done more on the OS in 1 year then Microsoft did on all development of the WM versions.
I am working at an IT company where the IPhone is making a serious entry and I am working at support and people asking me for information getting the IPhone working with the company applications. and guess what, it is sooooooo much easier getting it setup then every other WM-device i have seen. And they seem to shrink in number at the company.
Now I am really in love with the HTC-devices, but i am slowly getting confused by the latest IPHONE OS.
I expect that Microsoft will loose this battle due to their arrogance and dragging all major mobile company's down with it. So expect another crisis in a year or 3 because now the smart phones are booming but people will come to their senses and they switch to IPhone after their subscriber to the providers has ended.
So please bring me to my senses and say I am totally wrong!!

yes and no
the problem is migrators. people whove had there nokias and stuff then want a better device. theyll run to iphone dueto the flashy marketing and support
bu winmo is more like an old pair of sneakers. sure theyre ugly aan dirty
but they do the job they were built to do. in my opinion as long as they do there job making it work i can do my job making it look pretty. coz id rather get ther in my old confy sneakers to get there than getting blisters from a new pair
i dont think any die hard winmo fan will move not really because at the end of the day we always go back to those old trainers
ive got a headache now
stop making me use my brain

i went from iphone to iphone 3g to windows mobile
i prefer my diamond to be honest even thou iphone can do alot more in ways the diamond does more in other ways
hands down id rather go with diamond or pro

@jayjay8585
Thanks for your response.
I hope you are familiar with ice skating?
They where skating years and years on the normal skates and the fastest times stayed longer and longer on the list.
Then someone decided to change the skate(klikskate, the iron comes half lose when lifting the skate) so significantly everybody said out loud that will not work, so they tried it a bit but went back to their old skates(sneakers).
Until someone who always was just under the top 10 decided, oke I reeeeeeealy going to try this and trained for 2 years on it.
So the next major tournament this person broke all long standing records.
Now everybody is using the new ice skates and up until now, records keep broken almost every new major tournament.
Shortly: I half agree with the sneaker story but it will not hold on the long term.
Microsoft just messed up to big, so if Bill wants to see another billion or 2 added on the Forbes list he has to get serious on this.

Windows Mobile 7 is not even beta yet so how can you be making comparisons with that OS? And while apple has added features to bring it on par with modern smartphones I personally am too used to the freedom of using a device of my own choosing with whatever carrier I choose and not being tied to using apple software and hardware products.

Here is what I have to say about the iPhone. The iPhone............

iPhone = Flashy Fashiontoy laden with DRM Crap no one here wants. Period.

Yup!
jadephyre said:
iPhone = Flashy Fashiontoy laden with DRM Crap no one here wants. Period.
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Quoted for the Mo-Fo'm truth!

How about the g1? It listens to its users the users and devs nake this phone better everydaay. I have had my for just over a week and don't know how I livd without it. I love how it works It can do all the iphone can and more. My main thing is it needs flash player other than that. also anyone seen or have any ideas on the new plam?

I personally wouldn't touch the G1 even if my life depended on it... Someone has to remove all the frickin' Google Crap from the OS (mandatory googlemail acc, anyone ?) before I'd be willing to shell out a few hundred bucks for one of these.
I'm not willing to let Google put a leash up my ass...

To the above guy. Besides making a mail account that's ur only leash. That beats being to to steve and bill in my opion. U can change the browser and well just about every u can get a lot of apps on line. U don't have to use the market that came on the phone everything is open.

the G1 I tested required a Googlemail Account.
Granted, I already have one and only Spam gets redirected there, but I don't want Google to know who i have as Contacts on my Sim and my Appointments no one has to read either.
Google on G1 = No Phone for me

Well whre are getting that they do that? And if they do why dosent everyone else? I figuer all cell phone data is almost public anyways

just wanted to add my 2 pence worth.
I've only had 2 WM devices so far, the XDA Exec and now the Touch Dual.
As much as I've enjoyed playing with these, I'm starting to really like the look of the iPhone. Everyone I speak to that has one say they love it because it does what is says on the lid. It works.
I'm fed up with having to reset my phone when it crashes on an incoming call, or re-syncing it to my BT car Hands free set...............
I've had to work hard and rely on the good devs here (thanks folks)to be able to get to a point where my phone is just about stable.
The iPhone is starting to look like a possability when my contract is up in six months

WM 6.5 will make it better as well as ROM Cookers. I have the Iphone 3G - in the box. Yes its flashy and its more fluid I like the control I have over my Touch HD. I like being able to flash it and try it out. I like the fact that I can change the BATTERY out on it. I like the ability to sync with Outlook, I like the fact that there are many many apps for the WM 6.1 and 6.5(when it becomes available).
And I like my screen resolution and Garmin XT NAV
Oh yeah.. Did I mention that I hate ITUNES and DRM?

jadephyre said:
the G1 I tested required a Googlemail Account.
Granted, I already have one and only Spam gets redirected there, but I don't want Google to know who i have as Contacts on my Sim and my Appointments no one has to read either.
Google on G1 = No Phone for me
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you do realize that you can turn off syncing, which means that you wont send any data to the google acct. so none of your contacts/appointments will leave your phone, and gmail wont sync. if you root your G1 you dont even have to use a google acct.

This is an article from BRIGHTHAND:
Cut, Copy, and Paste
Confirming the earlier rumors, iPhone 3.0 will -- finally -- allow iPhone users to cut-and-paste and copy-and-paste. Naturally, the process for selecting text will take advantage of this device's multi-touch screen. This feature will be available in Apple's own software and third-party apps.
And it extends to more than just text. Users will be able to copy images and paste them into an email.
MMS, A2DP, Etc.
iPhone 3.0 will also mark the arrival of other features long available in the iPhone's competitors, including MMS messaging, Stereo Bluetooth, device search, and voice memos.
In addition, landscape support is being added to more of the bundled applications.
Apple is also going to release a new SDK (software developer kit) for handling streaming audio and video, including HDTV streaming.
Still No Multitasking
Apple had some good news and bad news for users. The bad news is that it's still not allowing multitasking because running third-party applications in the background is more than the device can handle. Scott Forstall, Apple SVP iPhone Software, who handled much of today's presentation, said that an IM application running in the background reduced the iPhone's standby battery time by 80%.
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I don't think the iPhone is able to beat anybody yet, as you can see, the above upgrade or fix to the coming iPhone 3 are qualities that should have been there since it's first release. They are still playing catch-up to Windows Mobile.
The only thing I like about the iPhone is the speed. Other than that, nothing else. With more powerful processor coming out, this will definitely be a brighter future for WM.
mavrik64 said:
I'm fed up with having to reset my phone when it crashes on an incoming call, or re-syncing it to my BT car Hands free set...............
I've had to work hard and rely on the good devs here (thanks folks)to be able to get to a point where my phone is just about stable.
The iPhone is starting to look like a possability when my contract is up in six months
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Sorry to see you are having trouble, but for me, my setup is very stable. No crashes nor freezes, so I am happy with Windows Mobile. BT works flawlessly too. I believe stability is related to what applications you have installed. I have about 350 applications and games installed, you just need to try them one by one and see which one causes the problem. This is the proceedure I do each time I upgrade my device. By the way, I have an HTC Advantage X7510. I just use my HTC Universal as the test subject nowadays.

I'd like to thank those brave enough to say that the iPhone does in fact pose a huge problem to WM, and those brave enough to say that they're willing to move away. Another thing I'd like to say is that being tied to a carrier/network that you don't like is not actually an argument against the iPhone, rather the circumstances surrounding it. Let's keep this thread based around an SIM-unlocked iPhone for a change. Also, let's just look at the OS, and not the extras HTC/Samsung/SE has overlayed on top.
Now, let's face it, WM is losing appeal- fast. WM is dynamic and flexible- almost like an open-source OS, but the UI is outdated and still bears an uncanny resemblance to it's oldest predecessor almost 10 whole years ago. Also, it can get laggy, and crashes even on stock ROMs, so there's another bunch of disadvantages.
Not much left. Let's hope WM7 saves MS.

I agree 100% with cktlcmd.
Thanks for putting it exactly how I would,
so I don't have to think.

This is what I'm feeling so far.......... (my two cents)
I love my wimo (6700, 8525, tilt and now touch Pro) and at first I use to tell people that only way that iPhone is making a killing is because how they advertised the phone.
People with iPhones use to be like your phone looks and feels like a brick. I will tell them how the wimo can do all types of things, so they started coming back to me and showing how once they jail break the phone they can do about all most the same thing. I would laugh and say well you still can't get mms, teathering, or cut/paste......3.0 is coming out for the iPhone, now I feel like hiding from the ones I laughed at.
If Microsoft is reading......please help us out, because the reason I love the phones is because they can do wonders but now I'm starting to feel like an old school guy with and old phone not willing to give up.............We (I hope I can speak for all the wimo people) spend at alot of time and money on these phone and just want a little something back, beside a new phone......think about the inside the phone and help us out so we can stay and be the top dogs again.

switch to iphone?

I hate it but every company makes apps for the iphone. Windows mobile always left in the cold when it comes to new applications. Random companies make apps for the iphone. The Weather Channel, CNBC, eBay, NBA, MLB, ESPN, Showtime plus thousands of other companies choose to make apps for the iphone only. I hate it but when my contract runs out i might swich to the iphone. Anyone feeling this way?

No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.

player911 said:
No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.
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Mmm, gotta disagree with you on that. Are you speaking from experience? Do you own an iPhone? I agree with the OP, I've been frustrated by the useful apps that have come out for the iPhone while WM has been all but forgotten.

android?
You could switch to a nice android device. I really like my g1 quite a bit. The app store doesn't have the volume of apps that the iphone one does, but if you factor out all the sound boards and fart machines, there isn't a huge difference.
Also, android is a platform, not a single device. I'm betting long term, you will see android win market share. It wouldn't be the first time that apple lost out with a closed, proprietary system. They did the same thing when competeing with IBM and Microsoft, and lost out there too.

I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.

edit nevermind

Android is gaining a number of apps in the Android Market. Some of the apps mentioned by the OP are now available on Android and more a coming online all the time.

i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.

good for you...

Gotta say, there's still a place in my heart for WinMo, and I'm really looking forward to WM7, hoping not to be disappointed. But once you jailbreak an iPhone, it's superior in basically every way. I'm sick to death of Job's draconian resistance to JB, but fortunately the community has some geniuses who can tell him where he needs to go stick his head.
Valkryomnia may hate it, but that's only because he clearly doesn't have a jailbroken iPhone, because all the things he's talking about are laughably false except for the non-removable battery and memory. However, those aren't big deals for me because at this point the choice is 32GB of non-removable memory on iPhone vs 16GB of removable on WM. Not a hard choice for me. And as for the battery, I probably will get a new phone by the time it dies anyway, so... meh.
It's funny, but at this point the thing I miss most about WM is having to fiddle around with it to get it to work. With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can), but because it really just works. And giving up the fun of fiddling with it is a small price to pay for also giving up the frustration of the constant crashes, memory problems, incompatibilities, abandoned software that has promise but never gets finished, flashing, reflashing, and flashing, flashing, flashing constantly, etc. It's just a world of difference.

I jumped from the n-gage into the WM world and its disappointing at best in the games deppartment.
Emus and ports are good, but the iphone games are looking better each day.
Plus, 3 years ago when the iphone came out, M$ made a lot of promisses that WM could be as good as and i havent seen any yet.
I still remenber a youtube video showing the (soon to come out) Windows Vista gadgets running on the WM... where are they?

I love WM and sometimes i miss a FUN Application and Games that iPhone have but at all i can say that the iPhone is made for the Kids for peoples betwen 14 and 18 years Because the WM is more for Bussines Peoples etc.
So our HTC Phones are more Stylish for Example i use Blackstone.. we can`t even compare iPhone Vs Blackstone.
So if someday HTC start to support the device better and make new apps often some for bussines some just for fun... you know what will heppand.
I only don`t know one thing.
If i was a owner of HTC and i want to Grown Alot alot more... the 1st thing that i will do is More Support with ROM`s with Apps i can tell you with sure that if WM have the same FUN apps like iPhone and even better NO ONE WILL BUY an iPhone!!!
And i wonder why HTC don`t kick this iPhones from the Market they can do it very easy.
Even that we dont have alot WM apps made by HTC or other i still prefer to have a stylish bussines device that have many futures and potential in the future
So if you are under 18 then just buy iPhone )))

mkerr said:
i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.
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I agree with that!
I've been a windows mobile user for a couple of years and while I love tweaking everything and writing apps in c#, I'm quickly growing tired of it falling so far behind the iphone and android. 6.5 is really just a new start menu and lock screen with WM2003 underneath. Back when I had a tytn I loved flashing new roms, but recently I've lot interest in it, especially when the benefits aren't really that great in terms of features.
My contract is up in January and at the moment I'm leaning towards an iphone. I like the look of android (plus I would be able to write apps for it in java), but it doesn't feel that complete to me.
My main uses for a phone are:
Web browsing - nothing beats the iphone here. Opera is nice but its painfully slow. Opera mini is also very good but the rendering doesn't look that nice.
Facebook - the iphone app is by far the best, and the windows mobile one is a joke.
Twitter - there are decent clients for all 3
Email (not push) - Pocket outlook isn't finger friendly, so its iphone or android here, but I haven't seen the android email client that much.
Writing apps - I'm happy to write java or C#, and hate objective C
Random apps - The iphone is a clear winner here
Golf scorecards with GPS - I wrote one for windows mobile, but nothing I can write could compare to apps like airvue for the iphone
Satnav - I love igo, so windows mobile wins here
Music - Once more, the iphone blows everything else away (S2P is nice, but still laggy on my diamond).
I think that if the HD2 was android then it would be a serious contender, but unless anything amazing comes out within the next 3 months I'll be jumping ship to the iphone (and probably jailbreaking it straight away).
Going back a year, I was one of the 'iphone haters', and I still hate the mac fanboy mentality of apple is best whilst blocking out all forms of logic and reason. Now I just want something which does everything I need easily and quickly.
18 months ago, if I knew I'd be thinking like this, I probably would've punched myself in the face.

same here.. i owned a o2 mini for years now using elf but when my contract finish.. hmmm 75% chance i will get iphone - hopefully by then it will have removable storage and radio..
1 i like from iphone is speed - and almost (never?) crash..

I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.

I do love the HTC design and style, but why is it always bad on hardware?
The ram and speed upgrades are always small and the video drivers are sad at best.
Its true, the WM ppcs were made for business, and never had a real "gamer liberation"... that, for me, is the problem with them.
I wanted a cheap ppc that could be, like the magician (qtek s100/s110), way ahead of its time.
All the phones I see around me are slower than my magician from 2003.
Thats why I am starting to look at the iphone.

Yes.. befor more than a year when i was looking for a new Device just to say that here in Bulgaria we don`t have so good contracts etc so when you want a new Device you just need to Buy it by yourself Cash.
So from the time i start to use Mobile Phones i always own a Nokia and i always use the latest models befor to move in WM i was on Symbian and i use the Nokia almost everyone from N series.. but befor a year i was thinking i need something new something diferent and powerfull...
and the Blakcstone just come out on the market this days and he amazed me with the Screen with thedesign and with many other things...
So the Blackstone was more expensive than the iPhone 3G here and many peoples told me better buy a HTC device this Blackstone ROCK some peoples say buy iPhone so beause everyone talk about iphone and i want something diferent that iphone because i hate when everyone use the same thing.... and the iphones become something like a madness i decide to buy my Blackstone and here cost me $900 around the iPhone 3G cost on the same time around $600 so i buy the expensive one HTC and after more than a year of use... im feeling a bit desapointed for this.
I love my Blackstone and he look cool and is a good device but i hate that i understand this later that HTC didn`t give alot support to the products they make.. so when i register here in that forum i see that many peoples Coocking ROM`s and some of the ROMs can be better than the original one..but im asking myself WHY THIS PEOPLES must to do ROMS by themselfs where is the HTC COMPANY now?
If someone say Ok we have ROMs here and etc fine but where are the FUN Enterteinment apps for our Device?
Nobody do anything for WM all USA companyes make apps for iPhone so in internet they are thousend and thousend and everyday something new.
Some peoples here try theyr best to do something but this is not enought HTC must really to think about this.. because this is a serious problem and i think in the future if they didn`t do anything to fix this problem they will lose alot costumers .....
Now i don`t like how the iPhone look... i prefer my Blackstone design i don`t like the Apple but i can`t say on the Black to say its White...really i play with some iphones and they are very FAST interface and responding to the touch and you are able to have so much FUN with that device...
Someone will say the device is made for Bussines and to calling but this is not true if i want to calling i will buy a phone for $30 without any OS and will not have delay in the ringing will not crash and etc and will be ablel to calling and etc.
Now i seriously think that soon i will be totaly pissed..from all this and will need to buy an iPhone 3G the problem is that like i say we dont have a contracts and now if i wana buy it i need to pay cash around $500 and what to do with my Blackstone? i can`t just spend money for phones like this.
Maybe i need to sell my Blackstone to take some money and to spend money buying an iPhone i hate that liek i say im not iPhone fan...but............. just HTC lose me like a costumer.
Befor a Year if someone tell me that i will buy an iPhone and will wana sell my HTC i will not believe him but this is the truth....
Not Fun Apps, Not Software not ANything they just sell you a expensive device and you can download a few ringtones from the HTC Club... THANK YOU

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With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can),
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oh really? Please explain. No you cant, that is completely false. Show me an alternate UI? So me multi tasking? Show me anything other than the possibility of changing an icon lol. The iphone is an app launcher, plain and simple. You simply cant customize it, you can just put different apps on it.

bb69 said:
I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.
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i agree with what you say other than "aesthetically pleasing interface as the iphone"
How is a screen full of icons aesthetically pleasing? Its arguable that it isnt even a UI Just a program launcher

hi
with ref to the camera i dont think the HTC camera is any better
my phone has a 3.2megpik and it suks
valkryomnia said:
I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.
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Im old and lost. WM on HD2, Android??, iPhones?

Ive been using HTC phones since forever.... Ive had the Canary, Tanager, Voyager, Hurricane, Polaris (Touch Cruise) and am currently using the Touch Diamond. Ive enjoyed Windows Mobile but never really took to TouchFlo3d. I liked Windows Mobile because I have CoPilot and used to do quite a bit of geocaching.
Now im up for contract renewal and soooo much has changed in the last two years.
Im wondering what the score is with windows mobile? Has it been overtaken by Android? What about my CoPilot, geocaching programs and Bejewelled Blitz game?
Im assuming the HTC HD2 is considered the best WM phone at the moment but should I be looking at Android phones.... if so, which one?
And how does the iphone fit in. I dont like the look of all though little boxes of "apps"! Im a minimalist kinda guy! Im considering an iphone because I have been forced into using a mac cos my partner has run off to uni to do a post grad course and taken the family laptop!
Any help of choosing between the HTC HD2, the android phones and the iphone would be great.

Here you can see what is considered the best device by XDA members:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5391877#post5391877
As for Android, I prefer to stay with WM, android is too young and immature for now, I´m sure in the future can be a good OS option, but not by now.
Just my opinion
Good luck,
p.d: Never consider yourself an old!!, as a Mexican saying says: Old? old the mountains and they are still green!

rikpotts said:
Im wondering what the score is with windows mobile? Has it been overtaken by Android?
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That depends on whether you are normal, healthy human being or an extreme technology geek. The most important thing to understand about Windows Mobile is that when you first start up a WM phone, it really doesn't work very well. It can be made to work reasonably well, but it takes a great deal of tweaking to do it. If you're the sort of person who actively enjoys tweaking, hunting down applications and .cabs to customise the phone to make it behave in exactly the way you want, then WM is a good choice. If you simply want it to work, it's a terrible choice.
Android is already well ahead of WM in terms of usablity for normal people, but hasn't yet caught up in terms of programmability or customisability.
The iPhone is effectively two completely different devices in one, depending on whether or not you go through the "jail-breaking" procedure. (This is a bit like installing a cooked ROM on a WM phone, only rather less drastic and easier to reverse; like flashing custom ROMs it does void your warranty, though). Without jail-breaking the iPhone is very much a "black box" - you only do what Apple has chosen to let you do. That said, it's the best piece of user-interface design I've ever seen, beautifully intuitive, and it has far more applications than every other smartphone platform put together (and what's more they're all in one place so you can actually find them - WM apps are scattered all over the Internet with no catalogue).
By contrast, a jail-broken iPhone is as flexible as an Android phone, and very close to Windows Mobile.
If you don't want TouchFLO (a.k.a. Sense) then investing in a high-end HTC phone is probably a waste of money. You get the support of this website, and (in the case of the HD2) a capacitive screen, but neither is worth the price premium over rival devices - Sense UI is what you're paying for if you buy an HD2. Obvious WinMo equivalents are the Toshiba TG01, or the Acer NeoTouch. On the Android side you should check out the Google Nexus One, Motorola Droid, and Acer F1.

Many Thanks for the replies. I was worried my question didnt get to the point but the answers covered my confusion.
So windows mobile still has some life left in it yet!
I had no idea about where Android was up to... now I know.
"you only do what Apple has chosen to let you do."
This is what I feared. Despite flashing phones for a large portion of my spare time I dont actually like doing it. I agree with what you said about WM phone not working well out of the box but can be good if you spend a few days googling and messing about. My diamond is a hand me down from my partner cos she hated it... but like the look of my old orbit 2. I spent many weeks tuning that one. Ive just left the diamond as is..... except disabling TF3d (I have actually started to use it for the last 2 days only!)
I find the iPhone appealing, especially after reading that it has more application around for it. Plus I only have a couple of ibooks now. Ive even done away with the pc at work! (only cos I do the bookkeeping at home on the mac, its easier to throw it in the back of the car and take it with me!)
I know the like of high street banks etc are making "apps" for it but ive also waded my through WM Smartphone, 2003SE and WM6 applications for years. It sound iike the iphone has made good ground.
I think its gonna be a HD2. Though ill have a quick look at how people have customised the iphone. Ill bend arms in the call centres to get either one for free!
Once again, thanks for spending the time in answering my questions. You have saved me a long evening in front of the laptop!

Well, make sure you demo an iPhone before buying, and do some serious reading in some of the jail-break community forums. In my experience a good rule of thumb is: if you can't think of any specific reason not to buy an iPhone 3GS, you should buy one. By contrast, anyone who is any doubt about whether they want an HD2 or not should definitely not buy one; and I say that as an HD2 owner who has no intention of selling it. It's a great device for some, but its appeal is deep rather than broad. In my case the things I use it for most are web-browsing and video playback, and a big, hi-res screen helps a lot with both of those. Even there it was a close thing - Apple's "Safari" browser is superior to the HD2's Opera in several ways.
There's a recent survey from Gartner which found that Apple currently controls 99.4% of the smartphone app market.
Demo a couple of the high-end Android phones, too - HTC Hero and Motorola Milestone are good places to start. And try an HD2 before you buy as well - see whether or not the keyboard drives you nuts!

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That depends on whether you are normal, healthy human being or an extreme technology geek. The most important thing to understand about Windows Mobile is that when you first start up a WM phone, it really doesn't work very well. It can be made to work reasonably well, but it takes a great deal of tweaking to do it.
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IMO that's not exactly true. I had bought a Touch Diamond 2 in early 2009 and with the stock ROM it was awesome. I used it for couple months without facing any problems. After few months I switched to custom ROMs but only because I needed to have newer OS builds (6.5, 6.5.x) on my phone.
Android is so superior in few years? You better wait few years and see if Android is still running so smooth when supporting more than 5 different phones.... Probably you'll switch back to WM 8 then because it's supposed to run so stable.

I just went to the Apple Store in town for an iPhone demo only to be told they don't sell them, or have demo versions.
So I asked for the lead to plug my iBook into the telly. He gave me a DVI Macbook one. "no, I have an iBook"
"Sorry mate, you cant get em"
I said "yeah you can, £18.99 + del on the Apple Store website.
He clicked around on his iPhone for 5 mins until I gave up and found one myself in the shop.
I gave him my Visa card only to be told that they dont accept Visa Debit!
Im not surprised Apple stuff is so expensive.... they have to markup to cover the loss of sales for reasons similar to my first ever contact with Apple!

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Android is so superior in few years? You better wait few years and see if Android is still running so smooth when supporting more than 5 different phones.... Probably you'll switch back to WM 8 then because it's supposed to run so stable.
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How exactly is any of this in any way connected to a purchase decision? Are we supposed to say "well, WinMo may not be very good, but there's a good reason why it's not very good (has to support so many different phones) so we should buy it anyway out of sympathy"? Or are we supposed to buy a WM6 phone now on the grounds that in three years time the next-but-one version of WinMo will, in your opinion be superior to the next-but-six version of Android? Even if your prediction turns out to be accurate, nothing you say here can possibly be relevant.

rikpotts said:
I just went to the Apple Store in town for an iPhone demo only to be told they don't sell them, or have demo versions.
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Ouch. Well, try a mobile phone shop. Here in London you'll find a demoable iPhone in O2 or Carphone Warehouse stores. Probably Orange and Vodafone too these days.

I would at least consider looking at Android handsets that are currently on the market. Windows Mobile is an alright OS, but Windows Mobile 6.x is on its way out, with WM7 coming in towards the end of this year, so you might not want to buy a WM device until WM7 ships, or you may get stuck with 6.x. I've used Android extensively through ports and emulators, and I can safely say that it's a very good mobile OS. Either a Windows Mobile or Android device would work fine, but I would recommend waiting until the end of the year if you want Windows Mobile. The best Android and Windows Mobile devices on the market are probably the Nexus One and HD2, respectively.
As for the iPhone, I don't really get what's so special about them. I own a first generation iPhone and a first generation iPod Touch, and while they're both nice devices, I wouldn't say they're the Jesusphone that everyone claims them to be. Maybe it's just because I like an open OS like Android (Linux kernel, open source) or WM (proprietary yet infinitely customizable), but the iPhone doesn't seem that great to me. And while Jailbreaking makes things a little more bearable, it still doesn't make the iPhone worth using to me

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How exactly is any of this in any way connected to a purchase decision? Are we supposed to say "well, WinMo may not be very good, but there's a good reason why it's not very good (has to support so many different phones) so we should buy it anyway out of sympathy"? Or are we supposed to buy a WM6 phone now on the grounds that in three years time the next-but-one version of WinMo will, in your opinion be superior to the next-but-six version of Android? Even if your prediction turns out to be accurate, nothing you say here can possibly be relevant.
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I'm not saying "WM may not be very good". I think it kicks ass. Honestly! I already ran Android on the emulator to check it out but I don't see anything special that I don't have with WM. And besides that on Android you can only code applications in Java despite the Linux kernel. I stick to my C/C++ and I see no f'kn reason to downgrade to Java just because of Google.

I think the best way is to go to the store and play a bit (like 15-30min) with the competing phones. I would suggest that you pay a bit more attention to HD2, iPhone 3GS and in march the Bravo will be out, if you can wait that long. I would also suggest the Nexus one, however you can't see before you buy, and people are reporting numerous problems. You can see the nexus in action on youtube.
What works for me, won't necessarily work for you, and vice versa.
Don't let the sales rep tell you that google maps is navigation, it's not.
Have in mind that iphone and some android devices don't support BT file transfer, if you use that.
If you like multitasking don't go for the iphone.Another "glitch" is that its browser doesn't support download.
If you use exchange, it works best on winmo and blackberry
If you use the phone as usb stick go for android or winmo.
There are of course other differences. It all depends on what you use and what you need.
For satnav winmo has the widest range of apps. However there are nice apps for android and iphone.

rikpotts said:
Ive been using HTC phones since forever.... Ive had the Canary, Tanager, Voyager, Hurricane, Polaris (Touch Cruise) and am currently using the Touch Diamond. Ive enjoyed Windows Mobile but never really took to TouchFlo3d. I liked Windows Mobile because I have CoPilot and used to do quite a bit of geocaching.
Now im up for contract renewal and soooo much has changed in the last two years.
Im wondering what the score is with windows mobile? Has it been overtaken by Android? What about my CoPilot, geocaching programs and Bejewelled Blitz game?
Im assuming the HTC HD2 is considered the best WM phone at the moment but should I be looking at Android phones.... if so, which one?
And how does the iphone fit in. I dont like the look of all though little boxes of "apps"! Im a minimalist kinda guy! Im considering an iphone because I have been forced into using a mac cos my partner has run off to uni to do a post grad course and taken the family laptop!
Any help of choosing between the HTC HD2, the android phones and the iphone would be great.
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wait for the 4th gen iphone, if you can't, i recommend you jailbroken iphone 3gs.
you'll fly, if you try iphone.

When I went to the Apple store and asked to look at the iPhone the first thing the chap said was "wait til mid 2010"
Thankyou for the great replies.
In the end....!! I got a Sony Ericsson Naite. And a laptop! Samsung N130.
I love my iBook but ive just enrolled with the OU to finish a couple of Uni quals I never actually finished and need windows. Plus I can synch my Diamond properly now. I run a shop on an ind est and have just setup a website and my orders come through to the phone. I need to synch.
Once again, many thanks for the time spent.
Rik

BYE (?)

Firstly, let me thank all of you wonderful people, here on XDA, for all of your help with my many devices over the years!
But the time has come to move on. I'm afraid I have 'jumped ship' and got my self an iPhone 4!
I know, I know!
But I have to say, I love it! Is it as adaptable or individual as an HTC device? No! Is it more reliable and easy to use use? Yes! The plain fact is, it simply works. I have had it with hours / weeks / even months of fiddling, tweeking, crying and swearing over my HTC devices to get them to do what I want, or, in the caseof my HD2, simply get it to work!
It is refreshing to have a device which took just one hour to have just the way I wanted it. Nothing freezes or crashes, no resets (my HD2 required a soft reset with Memaid running every day or it was unusable), and customer service that is quick and very helpful (example, paid £40 for igo and couldn't get it to sync. Apple answered my email in 2 hours, I had an email conversation with an advisor over two days, trying various fixes which eventually worked. Then they emailed to tell me 'sorry for all the inconvenience' and 'as a valued member of the Apple family' (I know, yuck) they were refunding the £40 in full and hoped I would enjoy the app!
When did HTC ever respond like that?
I still have my HD2 (and my Touch HD) but they are being used by my wife and neice. The iPhone, much as I hate to say it, is just... better. It works, is quick and reliable. When I need it to work, it does and that is what, in the end, I need in my device.
I wish you all enjoyment in the use of your devices and health to use them!
Maybe, I'll be back some day...
Scottmo

Can i have you stuff ???

Lol enjoy your downgrade. Have fun being boring.

hungry81 said:
Lol enjoy your downgrade. Have fun being boring.
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maybe he doesn't to do the same to his device that you do to yours.
he clearly just want a more intelligent feature phone. i myself have toyed with the idea but i always want to be able to mess around with stuff

scottmo said:
When did HTC ever respond like that?
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They don't even respond to bug reports...

Thanks!
Hey, guys, thanks for the replies. I thought people might be a bit more... negative. I appreciate the tone
You are all right, of course. Yes, it is more boring, in some ways a downgrade. I accept all that. However, there is no getting away from the face that it just works and has some amazing features (yes, I had a lot of them on my HD2, but they either took ages to work or didn't work right at all. I might sell my stuff eventually but my wife and neice are enjoying their 'new' phones ATM.
I am no fanboy and am quite progmatic about everything, I may well be back, or on android if / when things change, who can say?
Thanks again, and bye...

Another assimilation by the iBorg...
Mate, jeez why did you have to get a bloody iPhone? If you really hated your Leo so much, what you could've done is get an N1 or a Desire, and whacked MIUI on it. My mate bought a Desire, and had no dramas setting it up and using it.
If you need the apps from an iPhone, GET AN iPOD TOUCH! iPhone is just an overrated piece of ****e that does not do a lot more than a dumbphone, you are forced to use iTunes, it is locked down to the hilt, plus it loses reception when you touch the bottom left corner. Not to mention that you can't change the battery. (iPhone 4 is not the first phone capable of video calls, not to mention you can't do them over 3G)
I do see his point with WinMo being unstable (well it's an M$ product after all, and yeah I had a Leo too, but changed to a Desire due to WM being unstable, bugger all apps, unfriendly, buggy, and Android being the next big thing) but seriously, you should've changed to an Android phone. I talked most of my mates out of the iHype, and suggested a Galaxy S or a Desire instead of being Apple's slave. I like my freedom, mate!
Just my $0.02 ...

wocko1 said:
Another assimilation by the iBorg...
Mate, jeez why did you have to get a bloody iPhone? If you really hated your Leo so much, what you could've done is get an N1 or a Desire, and whacked MIUI on it. My mate bought a Desire, and had no dramas setting it up and using it.
If you need the apps from an iPhone, GET AN iPOD TOUCH! iPhone is just an overrated piece of ****e that does not do a lot more than a dumbphone, you are forced to use iTunes, it is locked down to the hilt, plus it loses reception when you touch the bottom left corner. Not to mention that you can't change the battery. (iPhone 4 is not the first phone capable of video calls, not to mention you can't do them over 3G)
I do see his point with WinMo being unstable (well it's an M$ product after all, and yeah I had a Leo too, but changed to a Desire due to WM being unstable, bugger all apps, unfriendly, buggy, and Android being the next big thing) but seriously, you should've changed to an Android phone. I talked most of my mates out of the iHype, and suggested a Galaxy S or a Desire instead of being Apple's slave. I like my freedom, mate!
Just my $0.02 ...
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Mate, last year I would have agreed with you. Fact is I have had this phone for a fortnight now: no problems, no crashes, no resets. It is quick, responsive and does what it says on the tin!
Reception is fine, I've had no problems and don't use a 'bumper' or anything. As for itunes, I thought the same - then thought jailbreak. Fact is iTunes works just fine! Most of the apps I 'bought' were free or just 59p so I don't see the problem. I have never changed a battery in any phone I've owned... so don't anticipate a problem there. Android is great and, soon, it may be just what I want, but not now. Not yet. It just isn't quite there.
GPS on this thing is MUCH quicker, MUCH more accurate, MUCH more powerful (I get lock at home and work which I have never got close to before - HD2 couldn't even lock on OUTSIDE my work!) than anything I've used before.
Yes, there is an issue of being 'locked down' and I worried about this. However, when you use the phone and iTunes etc, there simply isn't an issue! If it works, and works well, what's the problem? I can't customise the phone but I'd rather have something that looks the same and works than something that looks different and either doesn't work or doesn't work as well or takes a lifetime to get it to work!
Don't get me wrong, if android comes of age by the end of my contract (12 Mnths) then I'll sell and come back to the fold. Untill then, I'm loving my iPhone and I don't care who knows it
Scottmo

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Mate, last year I would have agreed with you. Fact is I have had this phone for a fortnight now: no problems, no crashes, no resets. It is quick, responsive and does what it says on the tin!
Reception is fine, I've had no problems and don't use a 'bumper' or anything. As for itunes, I thought the same - then thought jailbreak. Fact is iTunes works just fine! Most of the apps I 'bought' were free or just 59p so I don't see the problem. I have never changed a battery in any phone I've owned... so don't anticipate a problem there. Android is great and, soon, it may be just what I want, but not now. Not yet. It just isn't quite there.
GPS on this thing is MUCH quicker, MUCH more accurate, MUCH more powerful (I get lock at home and work which I have never got close to before - HD2 couldn't even lock on OUTSIDE my work!) than anything I've used before.
Yes, there is an issue of being 'locked down' and I worried about this. However, when you use the phone and iTunes etc, there simply isn't an issue! If it works, and works well, what's the problem? I can't customise the phone but I'd rather have something that looks the same and works than something that looks different and either doesn't work or doesn't work as well or takes a lifetime to get it to work!
Don't get me wrong, if android comes of age by the end of my contract (12 Mnths) then I'll sell and come back to the fold. Untill then, I'm loving my iPhone and I don't care who knows it
Scottmo
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You're quite right about the HD2's GPS lock, it was slower than that N95 I had, but the GPS in my Desire is top notch, only takes a few seconds, and accuracy at its best was about 3 metres (HD2 was 7m). I do know the iPhone 3G had **** GPS signal (took ages for TomTom and Navigon to get a lock on my mates phone). I haven't used the GPS on a 3GS or a 4 or a 3G equipped iPad though to be honest.
I just wanted to show my opinion of the iPhone, and by the way, I have owned an iPod Touch 2G (bloody well regret selling the damn thing. Might get a 4th Gen once the SHAtter jailbreak comes out) and I do like the UI, and as a tweaker, I still like the power to do that and that's why my trusty old iPT 2G was jailbroken. Apple are great at designing stylish hardware and good UIs (heck look at the LISA, and even the Mac back in 1984, the GUIs on those wiped the floor with anything else at the time), but what pisses me off with Apple is Job's arrogance, marketing hype, vendor lock-in, and a heavily restricted platform where you have to obey anything Apple tells you to do. But at least the iPhone doesn't have all that **** that the telco (carrier) shoves down your throat, like unwanted apps, wallpapers, branding or bootscreens.
Sorry if it seemed like I was a zealous anti-Apple fanboy who doesn't see past WinMo, Blackberry, Android, or Symbian. It's just the iPhone isn't my cup of tea, along with those stupid little fart apps, gun apps, virtual beverage apps, and web site "apps" (iPhone's not the only one to have them btw).

So... will we see you at http://iphone-developers.com/ ?

pulser_g2 said:
So... will we see you at http://iphone-developers.com/ ?
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Never knew XDA was setting up an iPhone specific site. It'd probably cover iPod Touch, iPad and Apple TV 2G as well right?

Strange, I've had 2 Leos and both just work out of the box.

scottmo said:
Hey, guys, thanks for the replies. I thought people might be a bit more... negative. I appreciate the tone
You are all right, of course. Yes, it is more boring, in some ways a downgrade. I accept all that. However, there is no getting away from the face that it just works and has some amazing features (yes, I had a lot of them on my HD2, but they either took ages to work or didn't work right at all. I might sell my stuff eventually but my wife and neice are enjoying their 'new' phones ATM.
I am no fanboy and am quite progmatic about everything, I may well be back, or on android if / when things change, who can say?
Thanks again, and bye...
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It dosent "just work" Bluetooth is stuffed, And if your Aussie the apparently iphones UI screwed up with daylight savings. Im not a fanboy eather. I just dont want to support a company that is leading the way in controlling your phone. Im annoyed at android and win phone 7 for folowing that path as well.

scottmo said:
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I wish you all enjoyment in the use of your devices and health to use them!
Maybe, I'll be back some day...
Scottmo
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You too! Have fun and enjoy 99.9% reliability
Have to admit, I would have jumped ship if there was an OS out there that did everything I needed, however, up until WinPho7, winmo is the only one that does.
Rock on full Exchange/OneNote support! Welcome.... the Dell Lightning

hungry81 said:
It dosent "just work" Bluetooth is stuffed, And if your Aussie the apparently iphones UI screwed up with daylight savings. Im not a fanboy eather....
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He's British, he doesn't have to worry about (third world) time zones (joke, please don't shoot me!!!!)
Have you got any info about how BT is stuffed? (Besides, if he doesn't want to use BT (I don't) then can't imagine no matter how bad it is he will be worried)

Yes apple devices restrict bluetooth in such a way that it can only communicate with apple devices (much the same as their video chat) and certain headsets ect. I am unsure if there is a jailbreak solution, But the fact that apple implimented this in the first place is enough to turn me away.
Dont forget this is in conjunction with their other connectivity and access issues (eg, no USB ports, no filesystem access no sd card functionality)
As I said above apple has led the way in restricting our devices. And since people have not taken issue with this, Microsoft, google and motorola are following, and they will as long as it is profitable to do so.

Not very nice of them, probably explains why none of the iphone people I see have BT devices. To be honest though, neither have I for my HD2 so this wouldn't cause me a problem at all.
Restricted or not should not be the question, the question should be "does the device do what you need?". In the OP's case, it sounds like it does so good luck to him.

scottmo said:
that it just works and has some amazing features
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did u ever had an android device in ur hands?^^

I am a microsoft certified shtooge.... They really hit a homerun with Windows7... but how can anyone take them seriously with a mobile os. They had over 10 years to kill that ****.. and they are weak. If Windows Phone 7 doesn't go well, you won't see Windows mobile until a computer and phone are the same.
how anyone could take microsoft seriously in the mobile arena is beyond me. I will be surprised and shocked if there new offering is actual stable and usable.
Seeing all OS's... I would say the android so far is winning.

Bluetooth actually works okay for me. My Samsung headset paired first time and works like a charm. I can even send stuff to other phones (non Apple) using an app and my phone isn't jailbroken yet.
It's just a matter of what is best for each of us at any one point in time. A few years ago WinMo was my choice. Now, it isn't.
Yes, I have used android and it is great. But there are still issues with reliability and crashing and also the iphone just 'felt' better to me, both physically and emotionally. I don't regret it and, as I said, I can change again in a year if / when things change. I am not (and never have been) a blinkered fan of any OS or any manufacturer. My phylosophy is, if it works and does what I need just now then I'll use it!
Yes, I will hop over to your iphone site (never knew it existed till now) but I'll hang around here from time to time too... maybe flash android to the HD2 and see how my wife gets on with it...

Should I Keep Waiting?

To get a HTC Arrive? I've been using well first Windows Mobile Phone's for about 3 or so years now, first was with an HTC Mogul, then a Samsung SCH-i770/Robin and now finally a HTC Touch Pro2 .
I'm happy with the TP2, got my mem maxed out to a 32Gb microSD card, love Sense and the ability to run Android 2.2.3 on my phone as well as WinMo 6.5, but I just hate damn Windows Mobile and how it'll crash sometimes and what not from whatever causing you to do a hard reset...
Only things holding me back from a HTC Arrive is THOSE DAMN UGLY TILES(I'd love to change that whole homescreen and get rid of the tiles, if only HTC Hubs were more updated and in sync with all the tiles, like how Sense was... WTF Those out Sense or toss it over to Android "The Competitor"?) and the locked in 16Gb storage/microSD (Any hardware mod to remove the 16Gb and add your own?)...
Thats really all thats keeping me from it so far, even though I am tempted.
So my 4 main concerns are:
1- Different UI Rather than default Tiles, or a way to implement HTC Hubs to the Homescreen, instead of Tiles
2- XDAndroid Possibility
3- Default Storage Card Hack/Mod to exchange it with my 32Gb
4- Possibility of using it on Boost (preferred) or flashing to metroPCS

I wasn't sure if I was going to like the tiles at first, but I must say the whole "glance and go" attitude that Microsoft is pushing with this is really one of the features I like most about the phone. If you pin a live tile to the home page, it shows all of the information you really need to know in a single panel. I almost never launch an app unless there is something relevant to go do.
I have 8 e-mail accounts set up on my home screen (various work and personal accounts) and I only have to go into e-mail when I get a new one. I have the Weather Channel app, but I never launch it because the live tile shows the current temperature and an icon representing the forecast (cloudy, sunny, etc.). Text message counts, missed call counts, next appointment, etc. All of them are available at a quick glance without ever launching an app.....

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To get a HTC Arrive? I've been using well first Windows Mobile Phone's for about 3 or so years now, first was with an HTC Mogul, then a Samsung SCH-i770/Robin and now finally a HTC Touch Pro2 .
I'm happy with the TP2, got my mem maxed out to a 32Gb microSD card, love Sense and the ability to run Android 2.2.3 on my phone as well as WinMo 6.5, but I just hate damn Windows Mobile and how it'll crash sometimes and what not from whatever causing you to do a hard reset...
Only things holding me back from a HTC Arrive is THOSE DAMN UGLY TILES(I'd love to change that whole homescreen and get rid of the tiles, if only HTC Hubs were more updated and in sync with all the tiles, like how Sense was... WTF Those out Sense or toss it over to Android "The Competitor"?) and the locked in 16Gb storage/microSD (Any hardware mod to remove the 16Gb and add your own?)...
Thats really all thats keeping me from it so far, even though I am tempted.
So my 4 main concerns are:
1- Different UI Rather than default Tiles, or a way to implement HTC Hubs to the Homescreen, instead of Tiles
2- XDAndroid Possibility
3- Default Storage Card Hack/Mod to exchange it with my 32Gb
4- Possibility of using it on Boost (preferred) or flashing to metroPCS
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1- I dont think we'll see any changes to the UI til maybe after nokia if at all
2- Android won't be possible til haret is updated which will probably take years
3- It is possible there's a thread about it.
4- I have sprint so I'm no help here

Well funny thing is now suddenly my phone will pickup phone calls right away if I answer with my bluetooth headset and leave the slider alone... WTF?
Also I won a 4500mAh Mugen Power battery for 50 bucks, so I'm gunna continue using it for awhile to come possibly... Next up on my purchase list is bluetooth stereo headset (Left and Right ears) then I'll be done, luckly microcenter by me has them for 35 to 50 bucks.
I might continue waiting until the stuff I want has happened, by then maybe there'll be a Arrive 2 or some junk. haha!

as I said on PPCG there really is no point whatsoever to run android on the arrive,the mango beta is far superior to it. so refusing to get it u are missing out on a top notch user experience.

eric12341 said:
as I said on PPCG there really is no point whatsoever to run android on the arrive,the mango beta is far superior to it. so refusing to get it u are missing out on a top notch user experience.
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And by getting I'd be forced to have to use metroPCS, which I will-not do EVER again. I talked to a Boost flasher and he said not going to happen, it's too new right now to be done... So no thanks to reliving the past right now and dropping my 35 dollar unlimited everything bill in trade for a 60 dollar bill at metroPCS. Or being able to dualboot, I'll just keep waiting. Sure ya say android is better but I'll still say WP7 > iPhone at it as well... Only difference is the squares scroll up and down, instead of left or right. Thanks though, but I guess there's no point to it right now WP7 is still just a wee infant right now and has yet to grow up to what I expect it to be.

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And by getting I'd be forced to have to use metroPCS, which I will-not do EVER again. I talked to a Boost flasher and he said not going to happen, it's too new right now to be done... So no thanks to reliving the past right now and dropping my 35 dollar unlimited everything bill in trade for a 60 dollar bill at metroPCS. Or being able to dualboot, I'll just keep waiting. Sure ya say android is better but I'll still say WP7 > iPhone at it as well... Only difference is the squares scroll up and down, instead of left or right. Thanks though, but I guess there's no point to it right now WP7 is still just a wee infant right now and has yet to grow up to what I expect it to be.
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sprint phones didn't need to be flashed for boost. and yea I guess u just dont get it.

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sprint phones didn't need to be flashed for boost. and yea I guess u just dont get it.
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BUT The settings do, they need to be changed to myboostmobile url

n1nj4Lo said:
BUT The settings do, they need to be changed to myboostmobile url
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those are done remotely and that's still doesn't mean u should bash wp7

eric12341 said:
those are done remotely and that's still doesn't mean u should bash wp7
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50's repeating themselves again? It's not cool to be square! LoL J/K'ing! But the only reason I knock WP7 is cause they took a step backwards IMO, now they truly are another iPhone... All they need to next is released all kinds of MP3 player portable speakers and accessories then maybe for once they might beat apple.
But I'm sorry, I hate iPhone and now suddenly what has Mircosoft done? Well we already know and haha! Best Buy, Radio Shack and so on hasn't carried and stopped selling WP7's around here. Microsoft needs to take the hint and antie up, big time! No not with a fruity name either. I mean UI wise. Make a lot more less like iPhone and they might get back to being how popular WinMo phones were and fast as they're selling.

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And by getting I'd be forced to have to use metroPCS, which I will-not do EVER again. I talked to a Boost flasher and he said not going to happen, it's too new right now to be done... So no thanks to reliving the past right now and dropping my 35 dollar unlimited everything bill in trade for a 60 dollar bill at metroPCS.
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I don't get it. If you're paying 35 dollar's now on Sprint why would you switch to metroPCS or boost?

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I don't get it. If you're paying 35 dollar's now on Sprint why would you switch to metroPCS or boost?
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Boost, Virgin and Nextel are all Owned by Sprint... LoL! Duh. haha! Why pay 65 for unlimited everything when I can pay 35 for the same package, phone calls, data and text. I'm saving 30 bucks and getting the same coverage and no hidden fees at all. That's why. Also no I'm paying that much on Boost. Not Sprint. How'd you get that backwords?

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50's repeating themselves again? It's not cool to be square! LoL J/K'ing! But the only reason I knock WP7 is cause they took a step backwards IMO, now they truly are another iPhone... All they need to next is released all kinds of MP3 player portable speakers and accessories then maybe for once they might beat apple.
But I'm sorry, I hate iPhone and now suddenly what has Mircosoft done? Well we already know and haha! Best Buy, Radio Shack and so on hasn't carried and stopped selling WP7's around here. Microsoft needs to take the hint and antie up, big time! No not with a fruity name either. I mean UI wise. Make a lot more less like iPhone and they might get back to being how popular WinMo phones were and fast as they're selling.
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oh wow. and is this why wp7 is predicted to overtake both iOS and Android by 2013 and 2015 respectively? and where is evidence that best buy and radio shack have stopped selling wp7? that was only because of the ignorant android or iPhone fanboy salespeople steering people away from it. wp7 as of the mango update has alot of functionality without the need to launch an app which makes both android and iOS seem like app launchers so get your facts straight desgraciado!

WP7 is not iPhone, but it is a step away from the Mobile PC design of Windows Mobile. I was a true WM user since my X50v in 04, then a 6700 Phone, 6800 (Mogul), TP, then the Touch Pro 2. Love them but the hardware is what killed WM off since the HD2 was one of the only and last device that finally gave WM6.5 the speed it needed. Either way WM was great for tweaking, but it had the problem of having to be tweeked to get everything working and was never quite 100%. Something either didnt quite work correctly, worked but slowly, crashed, it was always something. I had an EVO 4G for a month and while Android feels faster and more fluid, it also had the feeling that it needed outside apps to do stuff that the main OS should have had itself as well as still having that not quite polished feel. It is definitly the new WM in terms of customizability, but it has the problem WM had with stuff working better on one device/os version and not with another.
Now WP7, while it does have a growing period still and untill the WM market dries up and the market share stops falling because of it, it looks dim, but once I switched to my Arrive, I could not possibly go back to the TP2. The speed, smoothness, effortlessness of using all parts of the device, and the fact that even though it doesn't do quite everything that WM6.5 did (tethering is the main thing I miss for now), everything it does do, it does fantastically. It works, doesnt crash, doesnt hang, doesnt slow down, it just flies. And like others have said, the Mango Beta adds a ton of useability tweeks to make it not only easier than it already is to use, but a ton of new features all intigrated into the main OS instead of relying on outside Apps to do said task. It is fantastic and as a phone to "Live With" each day, it blows any other phone/os out of the water. Once Mango and a whole new line of devices drops this fall I think the WP7 market will finally gain some traction. It is a long haul process for sure, but the market predictions for 2015 and such are not as far fledged as some Android/iOS fanbois may think.

You want proof give me a day or two, and I'll either try to record a interview with best buy, radio shack and wal-mart even since they're still selling them... If they wont let me do it then I'll do it discreetly with the camera on with out them knowing about it! LoL
[email protected] Wendy's on lunch break then off to ITT-Tech when I get off at 6, no time to do it today-

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Boost, Virgin and Nextel are all Owned by Sprint... LoL! Duh. haha! Why pay 65 for unlimited everything when I can pay 35 for the same package, phone calls, data and text. I'm saving 30 bucks and getting the same coverage and no hidden fees at all. That's why. Also no I'm paying that much on Boost. Not Sprint. How'd you get that backwords?
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Oh ok, gotcha. I thought you were on a Sprint SERO plan or something.

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You want proof give me a day or two, and I'll either try to record a interview with best buy, radio shack and wal-mart even since they're still selling them... If they wont let me do it then I'll do it discreetly with the camera on with out them knowing about it! LoL
[email protected] Wendy's on lunch break then off to ITT-Tech when I get off at 6, no time to do it today-
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salespeople aren't a reputable source as many are biased towards and/or uneducated about wp7 this has been WELL DOCUMENTED on alot of sites so you would only be proving me point on that front. the HTC arrive has at least a 4.5 rating across all the sites its sold on and the Samsung focus was rated higher than the iPhone 4 in a survey.
so provide your ridiculous evidence then I'll provide mine.

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WP7 is not iPhone, but it is a step away from the Mobile PC design of Windows Mobile. I was a true WM user since my X50v in 04, then a 6700 Phone, 6800 (Mogul), TP, then the Touch Pro 2. Love them but the hardware is what killed WM off since the HD2 was one of the only and last device that finally gave WM6.5 the speed it needed. Either way WM was great for tweaking, but it had the problem of having to be tweeked to get everything working and was never quite 100%. Something either didnt quite work correctly, worked but slowly, crashed, it was always something. I had an EVO 4G for a month and while Android feels faster and more fluid, it also had the feeling that it needed outside apps to do stuff that the main OS should have had itself as well as still having that not quite polished feel. It is definitly the new WM in terms of customizability, but it has the problem WM had with stuff working better on one device/os version and not with another.
Now WP7, while it does have a growing period still and untill the WM market dries up and the market share stops falling because of it, it looks dim, but once I switched to my Arrive, I could not possibly go back to the TP2. The speed, smoothness, effortlessness of using all parts of the device, and the fact that even though it doesn't do quite everything that WM6.5 did (tethering is the main thing I miss for now), everything it does do, it does fantastically. It works, doesnt crash, doesnt hang, doesnt slow down, it just flies. And like others have said, the Mango Beta adds a ton of useability tweeks to make it not only easier than it already is to use, but a ton of new features all intigrated into the main OS instead of relying on outside Apps to do said task. It is fantastic and as a phone to "Live With" each day, it blows any other phone/os out of the water. Once Mango and a whole new line of devices drops this fall I think the WP7 market will finally gain some traction. It is a long haul process for sure, but the market predictions for 2015 and such are not as far fledged as some Android/iOS fanbois may think.
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Best Opinion I've heard in quite awhile. Definitely sums it up for me as well