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Hi All,
New guy here, and I was thinking about putting Android 1.5 on the Sprint TP2, rather than WM 6.5. (Again, new here, so I'm assuming that, once this HSPL is released for the CMDA, it could work equally well for WM or Android.)
I'm wondering if anyone has tried Android on the TP2 at all and, if so, your thoughts and opinions on this unusual pursuit?
Thanks in advance!
Sorry: CDMA
Not CMDA. I'm a little out of league here.
Sprint is CDMA and it is possible for that to happen. However, you would need an experienced cooker and most guys here are windows mobile guys.
Android is just now starting to fully work on the vogue and has been in the works for quiet some time. The original Touch Pro is still unable to run it. IF the TP2 will see androind, it will be a long time before that happens. Why not wait for the Hero if you really want it?
To be honest, it's because I adore the full qwerty keyboard. I have a really difficult time on touch-screen keys. Additionally, engadget's review of Hero rated its hardware to be a little underpowered for Android. I'm simply sold on the Rhodium.
Your right on it being underpowered. The problem is, porting it to WinMo is hard since they have 2 completely different kernals.
shawnwaugh said:
To be honest, it's because I adore the full qwerty keyboard. I have a really difficult time on touch-screen keys. Additionally, engadget's review of Hero rated its hardware to be a little underpowered for Android. I'm simply sold on the Rhodium.
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Same reason I want the TP2. Never had WinMo device but that keyboard is the best I've seen on any Smartphone. I'd recommend putting a Sense UI theme on it, that's what I plan to do. Or PointSense Suite.
shawnwaugh said:
To be honest, it's because I adore the full qwerty keyboard. I have a really difficult time on touch-screen keys. Additionally, engadget's review of Hero rated its hardware to be a little underpowered for Android. I'm simply sold on the Rhodium.
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A new firmware version has reportedly solve most of the issues with sluggishness. More than likely, the sprint version will have this at launch. It should be nice and snapy. The only things keeping me from waiting for this over getting the TP2 are the lack of a keyboard, the screen size/resolution, and the fact that it might not support SERO. It's okay though because I haven't bought it yet and I'll still be in my 30 day time window if I want to return the TP2 and get a Hero.
I'm really wanting Android, but it just hasn't gotten to the specs I want yet. However, I have to say that the Sense UI on it is about the most amazing thing I've ever seen on a phone. I know they say it's coming to WiMo, but I'm just not confident it will be that fast or as good as the android version.
A lot of phones really dont get optimized right away. Its kinda sad cause it brings the value down. Like the Hero is a great phone, but I geuss you need a ROM update for it to be optimized better.
The TP2 is actually extremely optimized right out the box since it has the same specs as the original, but it is a lot faster.
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the fact that it might not support SERO
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I've been told by several Sprint reps that Everything Plus (the new SERO and the name I was told my SERO plan already has) can be used on the TP2 and that the price will remain the same for me since I'm grandfathered at that price. We'll see what happens when I get it tomorrow and try to activate it with my current plan.
I have android running on my vogue, with is probably the most advanced port currently. We still do not have functional bluetooth, GPS does not have all functionality, and a small number of us (seems to be the cdma folks) have problems with intermittently not having SMS and phone calls show up. It is a great port, but still not ready for heavy everyday use if your phone has to be 100% reliable; many people do use it as there primary OS.
Just trying to say that even on the vogue we are not "there" yet, it is likely very possible on the TP2, but will take modification of the kernel and other files to adapt to your hardware, and won't be perfect.
How about the latest 1.6 donut on TP2? 1.6 supports the display resolution!
Link:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/09/android-16-sdk-is-here.html
Sjuust said:
How about the latest 1.6 donut on TP2? 1.6 supports the display resolution!
Link:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/09/android-16-sdk-is-here.html
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it's a lot more than just resolution. dip into the multiple vogue android threads if you are compelled.
Man, I bet getting the memory map would help out the port a lot. Wish HTC would release that.
techSage said:
I've been told by several Sprint reps that Everything Plus (the new SERO and the name I was told my SERO plan already has) can be used on the TP2 and that the price will remain the same for me since I'm grandfathered at that price. We'll see what happens when I get it tomorrow and try to activate it with my current plan.
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Are you talking about the $30 500 minute plan or the newer ESRP that is like $10 bucks cheaper than the normal plans? Either way, I know that the TP2 will work on it.
Donut!!
Supports CDMA and the higher resolutions... Please Devs work on this! I will pay money to have it! This will be the perfect combo of phone and OS. I hope this happens.
The biggest issue here is the bootloader. No one, that I am aware of, has modified a bootloader to allow the direct booting of Linux. Also, writing to the flash memory if I remember correctly was the other issue, but please do correct me if I am wrong on this aspect.
Poke_N_PDA said:
A new firmware version has reportedly solve most of the issues with sluggishness. More than likely, the sprint version will have this at launch. It should be nice and snapy. The only things keeping me from waiting for this over getting the TP2 are the lack of a keyboard, the screen size/resolution, and the fact that it might not support SERO. It's okay though because I haven't bought it yet and I'll still be in my 30 day time window if I want to return the TP2 and get a Hero.
I'm really wanting Android, but it just hasn't gotten to the specs I want yet. However, I have to say that the Sense UI on it is about the most amazing thing I've ever seen on a phone. I know they say it's coming to WiMo, but I'm just not confident it will be that fast or as good as the android version.
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I agree COMPLETELY. Having spent some time with an iPhone, I have to say that onscreen keyboards, even in landscape mode, still suck.
Another thing I'd worry about with the Hero... not being able to install programs to a microSD card. I know that is an Android issue, not a Hero issue... if they could fix that, I might be able to get over the low resolution and lack of keyboard.
Where are they talking about putting Sense UI on Winmo 6.5?
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I agree COMPLETELY. Having spent some time with an iPhone, I have to say that onscreen keyboards, even in landscape mode, still suck.
Another thing I'd worry about with the Hero... not being able to install programs to a microSD card. I know that is an Android issue, not a Hero issue... if they could fix that, I might be able to get over the low resolution and lack of keyboard.
Where are they talking about putting Sense UI on Winmo 6.5?
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HTC said that Sense is on its way to WinMo via TF3d. Nothing new really. If you see the TF3d 2.5/2.6 setups, they resemble it a lot. Obviously, there are things that can't be the same (the way widgets and icons on the "desktop" appear, etc) due to OS limitations, but the core technology is being put into WinMo.
Installing programs to SD card is coming in 1.6. So no worries there.
I totally wish the Touch Pro 2 could run Android. My girlfriend has the HTC g1 and I love the application market. It's really awesome.
The keyboard is the major awesome feature about this phone. I used to have an Instink which is now EXTINCT and I could not deal with the crappy on-screen keyboard. I actually broke it once because I hated it so much. I plan on shooting this one Record it in full glory and post it on youtube for other poor Instinct users.
I would pay for an Android conversion. Totally.
I have heard so many bad things about WM7, that I just have to ask someone to confirm this!
The things I have heard are:
1. No copy/paste (Even Iphone has that now!)
2. The apps we have now for WM 6.X cant be used in WM7
3. Most apps for WM7 will be web based (What if you cant afford an unlimited data plan or you are somewhere where you cant get coverage?)
It sounds to me like they have taken all the bad things from the iPhone and implemented into wm7!
Why would anyone want to cripple an OS like that?
Please tell me if I have misunderstood all of this, or if it´s true?
1) i believe it's in the os but from what ive heard it's disabled in the shipping version.
2) the code itself would work, the interfaces however will not. so yes, they won't work.
3) i havent heard that.
you should be more *****ing that the iphone now has multitasking and wp7s doesnt. this is why im still using wm2003/wm5.
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1) i believe it's in the os but from what ive heard it's disabled in the shipping version.
2) the code itself would work, the interfaces however will not. so yes, they won't work.
3) i havent heard that.
you should be more *****ing that the iphone now has multitasking and wp7s doesnt. this is why im still using wm2003/wm5.
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Wait, you are telling me that WM7 will not have multitasking either? (I have not heard that, otherwise it would be on the top of my list!)
If all of this is true then it will be more restricted then iPhone! (YAAAY, way to go microsoft!)
Guess I will be switching over to Android very soon, unless microsoft change their mind before WM7 official release!
also it will only work with .net apps faster native apps will not be available
and only place you can get apps will be ms marketplace
Ok then, can someone please explain to me why some people think that WM7 is so great?
To me it feals like we are taking a few steps back instead of forward!
I mean, for a guy like me, that loves technology and wants to be able to do everything with the device, I just feel a little bit frustrated not being able to do so anymore! What is the point in locking everything down like this?
Are the devices we buy even ours anymore, or does microsoft own them?
I am sorry, but I am so angry right now, that I cant think of anything good to say!
"can someone please explain to me why some people think that WM7 is so great?"
who are saying that?
personally every phone I had apart from 1 have been wm phones but my next phone will most likely be an android
Rudegar said:
"can someone please explain to me why some people think that WM7 is so great?"
who are saying that?
personally every phone I had apart from 1 have been wm phones but my next phone will most likely be an android
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Some of my friends thinks that it is going to be the best OS yet!
But I guess that they dont have all the facts, and that they are basing their opinions on what they have seen on the Windows 7 (PC) OS! (Which is in fact very good!)
But just as you said, Android is going to be my next phone too! I just have trouble dealing with the fact, that all my purchased apps & games wont work anymore, and that I have to start buying them all over again! (If I can find equalent stuff!)
maybe when android phone inc in processor speed later on wm6.X emulators will be a reality but not likely soon enough to help you if those apps are stuff you need often / soon
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Some of my friends thinks that it is going to be the best OS yet!
But I guess that they dont have all the facts, and that they are basing their opinions on what they have seen on the Windows 7 (PC) OS! (Which is in fact very good!)
But just as you said, Android is going to be my next phone too! I just have trouble dealing with the fact, that all my purchased apps & games wont work anymore, and that I have to start buying them all over again! (If I can find equalent stuff!)
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A lot of apps on android are free so at least you wont have to pay much (the most expensive app i've seen was $9.99)
I'll be upgrading to a HD2 in May, so until it dies any future upgrades (unless M$ come to their senses) will be ebayed, might as well make some money if O2 are willing to give me free useless tat.
I couldn't wait for WM7 falling more behind, so I took the plunge to Android in January. Best move too open source & I have not looked back!
Hi all,
I am new to the forum and am in the process of updating my Next G phone. I am limited by time as my current phone [Blackberry Bold 9000] is fast becoming unusable and I will have to make a choice quickly, maybe tomorrow. The HD2 impressed me, especially with the Roms being developed and available. Making Windows more user friendly and taking the phone to its best. Talking with my phone provider - Telstra, they informed me that the HTC Desire is just now on the market and I am reading glowing reports on the latest Android system and the Desire... So I have been researching all I can on these 2 phones. I have only a little Windows mobile experience from some years ago with an Imate, however have no experience with the Android system.
I don't plan on returning to Blackberry and have narrowed my choice to ether the HD2 or the Desire... This phone will be on a renewed 24 month business contract, so is a phone I will "be with" for sometime! I do understand many of the criticisms of Windows mobile and the very positive reaction to the latest Android system. Also that the all new Windows 7 will be available later in the year. The Desire reads very well in its specs and the few reviews that are available have it as the one to beat for 2010? The HD2 has had much more reviews and comment available, having been on the market longer. Many people satisfied with the phone in standard form [and some not so] and many very happy with it in its modified form with custom Rom.... My decision doesn't seem easier.
Some areas I am thinking on are - Will the HD2 become dated quickly, with fewer windows 6.5 apps and less dev work once the totally new Windows 7 becomes available and the new handsets reach the market? Does this make the current Desire with its latest Android system a better long term option as it is not faced with the release of a whole new operating system just around the corner within its brand and apps and updates will continue to grow? Part of me is saying go with my original choice of the HD2 and its big screen, with a custom Rom. AND, part of me is saying go with the new Android Desire.... ohhh and yes I have read reference to Dev work being done on Windows 7 for the HD2 [That's a potential plus]
Unfortunately I am not in a situation of being able to handle and get to know these phones pre purchase. However would be interested to hear the thoughts of others ie: what would have you chose one over the other?
cheers,
Cam...
Welcome to forums,
I would prefer Leo
Have a look here
I've had both What do you want it for? If you need WM for office use get the HD2 otherwise get the desire! Android is much better in a social aspect I would say. The only thing I like about the HD2 was the Sense overlay and it is the same if not better on the desire
Oh and there is a gameboy advanced emulator on the desire which works great... just in case that would be a deciding factor for you
pympster said:
I've had both What do you want it for? If you need WM for office use get the HD2 otherwise get the desire! Android is much better in a social aspect I would say. The only thing I like about the HD2 was the Sense overlay and it is the same if not better on the desire
Oh and there is a gameboy advanced emulator on the desire which works great... just in case that would be a deciding factor for you
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Morphgear and Fpsece work well on the HD2.
I must say I prefer the look of the HD2 and the bigger screen, but android is just that much better than WM and thus think you should get the desire.
I am a farmer/rancher and also have a small business importing workwear/casual wear from the USA. I will use the phone for accessing manufacturer websites. Storing photos of my products. Recording expenses, checking weather updates. Email and Instant messaging... I do travel from time to time and recently sat next to a guy on a flight who was wathcing James Bond movies on his Ipod touch. That was neat I did contact HTC Australia a month ago, to see if the HD2 would be released with Android here Down Under, but was told not planned at present and my contact and interest would be passed on. Of course thats what is always said. I have to think long term use out of this phone ie: to 24 months - The Desire seems a great choice, however would the HD2 with an aftermarket custom Rom be equally as good? Which is the best rom around right now? Will Windows 6.5 App availability continue to rise once Windows 7 hits the streets or will it taper off? Android Apps I am sure will continue to grow...
I have a Leo, so far i love it in every way possible. I had an android device before and i think they are a lot easier to use. Yet i still wouldn't trade my Leo for the world
Yes, my personal preference is Android. WM has always proved to be too slow and buggy for me. But hey, it's all about YOUR preference. You can't really go on what we say. 10/10 of us might say get one phone, and you might get it and hate it. Too bad you can't try before you buy on cell phones. :/
I totally agree and am not looking to be told what direction to take. More intertested in hearing why others would choose one phone over the other...
Yep woud great to handle both phones and see them working. I live rural, tho did get into Telstra shop to take a look, but had nothing for me to see working.
Cheers.
cam0063 said:
I totally agree and am not looking to be told what direction to take. More intertested in hearing why others would choose one phone over the other...
Yep woud great to handle both phones and see them working. I live rural, tho did get into Telstra shop to take a look, but had nothing for me to see working.
Cheers.
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I never buy a phone I didn't get to at least play with first. All the videos and reviews in the world couldn't change that.
I like that policy too. However when u live rural, somethings are not possible and research is your best tool...
I would go with the Desire. The HD2 is running Windows Mobile 6.5, which is still pretty much the same underlying Windows CE kernel that's been in use since Windows Mobile 5. Because been confirmed that the HD2 will not recieve an offical Windows Mobile 7 upgrade, meaning your new shiny phone will be obsolete by the end of the year, you likely be stuck with this obsolete operating system forever if you buy this device. The only option would be an unofficial port of Windows Phone 7 to the HD2, but I'm not sure how that is coming along lately.
Conversely, Android is constantly undergoing development, and seeing as the Desire is a top of the line Android device, updates to the latest versions of Android are pretty much guaranteed for that device. The Desire will probably have support for longer than the HD2, considering it won't be obsolete only a few months after you bought it.
I don't think that you could go wrong when choosing a new device, as they're both top of the line smartphones with grade A hardware and XDA behind them, but IMO the Desire is the superior of the two.
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I like that policy too. However when u live rural, somethings are not possible and research is your best tool...
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Lol, you're talking to a guy who would drive at least an hour no question, just to play with a phone to make sure I liked it. You can't be THAT rural. Can you? o.o
Thanks Dave, I do appreciate all you have said. I did read that Microsoft was not going to allow Windows 7 to be installed on the HD2 and that there were devs out there working on Windows 7 as an unofficial OS for the HD2. The desire is a great option and makes sense, especially for the obvious reasons you mention... I have managed to gain a couple of extra days to make a decision, as I will not be in a mobile service area and not in desperate need of the phone till Monday. Thanks again...
Hi R3s,
I take it you havent been to Australia? At present I am a 6 hour round trip from the nearest Telstra shop. [Telstra is the contracted provider of these phones right now.] Also a week ago, on a visit to the nearest Telstra shop to my home - a 2 hour return trip, I was informed there will be no shop demos available of these phones, only the non functioning store dummies! Which is the norm... I will travel 6 hours for a beer, but not 6 hours to look at a phone!, especially a store dummy So I will keep researching.
In your opinion (keep it short please) what is the difference between win mobile and android and pros and cons please?
Thanks
George
Android pros:
Open source
Huge market proliferation (ensuring compatability and development)
Huge app market
Stable faster linux kernel
Winmobile pro:
More compatable with windows
Wifi router (until froyo)
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I have 2 Windows phones and 2 Android phones and I can't think of a single thing the Windows phones do better than the Android phones.
Well, when I got my phone at T mobile today (I was tired of att and verizon, long story..) I asked for an android phone and I get home and see it's a windows phone...?
Mind you, I'm not surprised considering they didn't even know what GSM is when I asked if t mobile was gsm.
I LIKE the fact that it acts as a hot spot so what is FROYO?
I also thing I'l like droid better so here's the question, do they make the HD2 for android and is it available for t mobile?
Also, the navigation on the windows hd2 I have seems totally retarded...
Yes, the droid (I had the 8183) was much better.
Does it mean I liked the 8183? Nope and whoever the idiot is that wrote the software that only lets you use a FRACTION of the big a$$ screen to display info, phone numbers, names and such should be shot, SLOWLY!
You guys have NO idea how many countless hours I've spent in frustration, trying to find a way to SEE things on the screen with my $hitty eyesight and all because some moron is too stupid to figure out that MAYBE they should start with making the BASICS work on the phone.
You know, kinda like the iPhone. It was great, EXCEPT at being a friggin' PHONE! Let's see, iPHONE, what part of phone didn't you understand?
Sadly enough, ALL these idiots make more money at what they do than I do
Thanks
George
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In your opinion (keep it short please) what is the difference between win mobile and android and pros and cons please?
Thanks
George
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xda-developers > Android Development and Hacking > Android Apps and Games
FAIL.
rpimps said:
I have 2 Windows phones and 2 Android phones and I can't think of a single thing the Windows phones do better than the Android phones.
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Well, I loved MyPhone on Windows Mobile. And I just have my Android for 3 days, but I haven't found something as good and for free yet.
Next to that, I can't think of anything I missed yet. Even eBuddy managed to easily fulfill my needs of MSN/WLM. Even with offline messaging.
There are two things i don't like about android:
First, there isn't only one good videoplayer(ffmpeg is a must have!) EDIT: Rockplayer is a nice start, but the fps is ~100% lower than the ones i get with coreplayer
And i havent found something like Audiobooster.
Try both and take the OS which you prefer
Android Cons:
None
Windows Mobile Cons (based on my experience with 6.1 Buisness):
Too hard to install games and apps
Not enough games and apps
Not user friendly
Too slow response
Android pros:
huge application
Google serious to maintain the android development
Android Cons:
No Wifi proxy support
hard to copy paste beetwen app
Winmobile cons:
too late microsoft your windows mobile is dying. your development team is slow
Old win 6.5 kernel..
windows phone 7 is too late to release...your market app is not working...
all developer moving to another platform
No multitasking support for windows 7...thats shame
Search for rockbase player for videos. Funambol or mybackup pro for closest to myphone off the top of my head.
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there's a lot of things to look at but the best way to choose is this.
if you are running an app and it has issues or require a bit of memory, window will lock up and then you have to reset the phone.
with android you'll get a force close notification which you just ok it and keep using it with out having to reset.
Android FTW
Android:
Fast
User friendly
great multitasking
many apps and great games
works better on slow phones
user driven market
WM:
horrible performance, only WM phone with good performance is the hd2
bad multitasking, but happily arkswitch makes it easier
almost no 3d games, marketplace is not worth a ****
OK, As a windows Fanboy turned android here is the main thing Windows does better than android: Multimedia!!
Android is still new to the game and in my opinion hasn't really got a good video and music player. There are some ones that can pass but compared to Windows and iphone they are not that great. On the flip side I plan on developing my own music player which counts for the openness of android. WinMo is arguably just as open BUT with them going a different direction with WM7 I had to jump ship. As for Androids advantages......everything else is just as good if not better than windows (except how they manage the SD card)
Well, the few minutes I've spent with the windows platform already makes me hate it. Whoever did the software for the HD2 is totally retarded. I couldn't even get myself out of whatever app happened to come on last night and I was about ready to throw this big piece of $hit out the window.
I now know what Froyo is and if I'm not mistaken, it'll have a wifi proxy which I guess it to be is that it acts like a hot spot which should put a damper on some of the greedy phone companies (IF it is released on their phones) like ATT who charges you another 30 bucks extra for connecting to your laptop.
That to me is bull**** and greed and IS costing them customers.
Verizon is better with that but I hate their support AND I think their coverage in my area is worse. The support is TOTALLY useless and I left them once because of it and I will AGAIN leave them I think and yes, mainly because of it.
I'll try the t mobile service out for a week or so and if the coverage is good, I'll return this locked piece of $hit and get me one of the unlocked phones from NEgri Electronics. If anyone hasn't heard of them yet (which kinda would surprise me) here they are...
I mean, seriously, in order NOT to pay the full price at t mobile, I have to sign up for two years AND the phone is locked which means I can't use proggies like this one which I NEED! http://www.androlib.com/android.application.org-pbxes-fontsize-BiEA.aspx
For a buck fitty (not fifty, fitty, like fitty cents) I can get this proggy which could fix my problem but I can't do it on a locked phone. Well, they can ki$$ my ass then with all the restrictions. I'll get this one for example http://negrielectronics.com/touch-smartphone-unlocked-tmobile-2747.html , get me a monthly account instead and I can put anything I want on it. Now how the hell can I go wrong with that, AND, they're easier to sell should you want to get rid of them.
Put some of this stuff on it and some silicone case on it and you can sell it years later looking brand new which is what I did with my iPhone.
I'm going to wait for a week or so and decide if I like tmobile and if I do, I'll tell verizon where they can stick their phone.
Would you believe I had to make THREE attempts to get them to port my att number over and meanwhile, I'm paying ATT for the account. I even called and talked to VERIZON people to make sure it got done right and in BOTH cases, they screwed it up. I finally got it done the right IN The store, a WEEK after!
After all this crap AND a busted phone that was only two weeks old, I tried to get a free charging cable from one of the store manager, NOT a charger or the ac adapter thingie, just the stinkin' cable and he wouldn't even give me that. Now that is tacky and petty. Oh, the reason I wanted another cable was so I could keep one in the car cause that piece of $hit pre wouldn't hold a charge over 5-6 hours and let's not talk about TALKING time. This was a LITTLE talking and lots of stand by.
What a damn joke.
I like the pre platform and concept in general and I have several PDA's that are PALM but the PRE phone, they kinda dropped the ball on a little.
No on screen keyboard (now how hard is that to figure out), the actual keyboard should have been horizontal for size and the damn thing is a gas guzzler, AND, I don't see an option to keep the damn notifications from coming up and crowding your screen when you turn it on. Also, it's slow as $hit from when you click that you want the keypad till it finally opens up.
NO Predictive dialing and you can't get the beautiful HUGE clock to stay on top that I know of. Again, how hard is that to figure out? Does this take so long to program into the software? I mean, they almost went belly up. You'd think they had the TIME and STAFF to do things right. Sheesh!
Anyway, enough bitc*in'
George
guiri_too said:
Again, how hard is that to figure out? Does this take so long to program into the software? I mean, they almost went belly up. You'd think they had the TIME and STAFF to do things right. Sheesh!
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That's not how business works. Any phone advertised on TV (like the Pre) is designed for general consumers (people who don't care about the things you're talking about). It would be a terrible business decision to spend more time and money incorporating things that 99% of their target market don't care about or don't even know they're missing. If you're posting on XDA you're probably a lot more tech savvy than the average consumer, thus phones marketed towards the average consumer won't have 100% of the features you request. I always like to buy phones that are rarer and not advertised, mainly because I like having stuff that other people don't have, but also because they usually end up being a cut above the rest of the phones on the market.
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If I were you guiri_too, and can afford it, I'd order the Nexus One unlocked and as soon as it arrives, root the thing, put Froyo on it (if I could find it) and take that winblows phone back to T-Mobile. I can't believe they gave you that after asking for an Android phone. That has to be one of the dumbest salesmen ever! Or if you want to stay with T-Mobile and happen to like Sense (Espresso Sense), pick up the the MyTouch Slide. It has a keyboard, MS Exchange support and is pretty snappy to boot (speaking of boot, it only takes about a minute from hitting the power button to making a call). If you need a more business-like phone, I would suggest the Sprint Evo 4G. It's the same size as the HD2, 4.3", but it's Android. The UI looks like the HD2 as well (Sense), but it's a lot quicker and more stable. A friend of mine picked this up after having the Sprint Hero, which he got after the TouchPro (winmo) and couldn't be happier.
As far as the original question, I can only give you an anecdote; when I got my G1, my wife had a Wing which she hated. After a few months of watching me play with my phone all the time, and her Wing being replaced twice, she bought hers and was instantly hooked. We have been android fans ever since. So the advantages of Android for me are awesome stability, openness and apps, of which you don't have to use the market for (unless you get an ATT android).
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First as for being tech savvy, yeah, I guess I am and I've been around long enough to be picky, HOWEVER, my BASIC needs are a phone I can HEAR and SEE. How come Nextel have speakers that you can hear clear across the next state and this thing I got, the HD2 I can barely hear with the fans in the car running despite them telling me it was really loud...?
Sure, I want a lot of stuff but if you read through all my info, you'll see that some of the things i don't really care about like social networking, streaming video, mp3 player and much more. LARGE FONT! How the hell hard is that to figure out? I mean, for those here who program and considering it's even in very simple programs. IS IT THAT hard to have an option of making the font bigger?
To Heybob. Bob, the problem is that I can't try and see these phones live so to speak. ALL the phones at tmobile are dummies or at least the ones I'm interested in.
Second, to be quite honest and when I think about it, I am not sure if she did mention this one was windows but I DID tell her I prefered android. In any case, NOT knowing what GSM is or if tmobile was GSM is not something I can let slide, ESPECIALLY considering she was the manager...
Now, so far, my tmobile coverage has seemed good. Yes, the phone as in the UI is still totally retarded so the windows OS has got to go. More than likely when I return this, if I still like tmobile then, I'll get a phone from Negri that's unlocked and if I'm not mistaken, he HAS Froyo phones in stock. Hold, gonna call and check..yep, he's got Nexus One with Froyo ready to ship.
Tell'em George with the long wish list sent ya if you buy one. Not that I think I'll get any referrals but hey, it never hurts when it comes time to bug them about finding me the right phone.
Anyway, back to the phones. I do NOT like this windows UI so that one is out. I like that I have found a site with something like 80,000+ apps all in one place and although I'm not stingy, when you're TRYING apps and don't know if you'll like them or not, it helps if they're cheap or free. I got something on hte Pre I didn't like but hell ,I wasn't about to ask for a $1.50 refund.
Many of the windows apps were $15 or around there. I'm not paying it if I can't get a refund if I don't like the software and I AM picky with software too.
By the way, is there someone here that has a rooted android phone that wouldn't mind putting this font proggy on there (hell, I'll be happy to pay for it at only 2 bucks or something) and show me the different font size options? http://www.androlib.com/android.application.org-pbxes-fontsize-BiEA.aspx
I WAS going to do that but as you know, I didn't get a droid phone
I showed this dude on the androlib forum this proggy. He gets it, his wife likes it (he got it for her) and now he's too busy to show me some screen captures. Thanks a lot
George
I've owned 4 different winmo phones and I can say that android leaves those respond FOOLS in the dust.
Android is more compatible with exchange server than windows mobile solution or blackberry.
Work gets done faster and I smile a lot more now.
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Well, I just took a few pictures of the HD2 to show people what I'm facing to illustrate it a little better.
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Android has pretty much taken over the XDA-Portal
Everyday there are more and more posts about users who switched over from winmo to android.
I am planing on buying WP7 device, but my fear is I'll be one of few to do so, and as a result of this there will be little development going on for the device. I am a pretty die-hard windows fan so I hope they regain some popularity with WP7.
What does everyone think?
One thing will decide, microsoft wp7 ads.
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WM continues
I wouldn´t worry for that, despite Android is now "in fashion" as soon as WP7 arrives will happen the same
I am also looking forward WP7 I´m sure it will be a funny one too
davidstre said:
Android has pretty much taken over the XDA-Portal
Everyday there are more and more posts about users who switched over from winmo to android.
I am planing on buying WP7 device, but my fear is I'll be one of few to do so, and as a result of this there will be little development going on for the device. I am a pretty die-hard windows fan so I hope they regain some popularity with WP7.
What does everyone think?
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Dont worry if your WP7 device is lacking in WP development, Im sure there will be several ways and ROMs to run Android on it
haha, i dont want to run android on it!!!!!!!
dont get me wrong, its a great os, but i am a much bigger fan of windows
Can someone explain to me the "greatness" of WinMo? From what I've seen of it, it's terrible :<.
Then again, I've only seen 1 WinMo Phone and it was a weird one.
SkelmecH said:
Can someone explain to me the "greatness" of WinMo? From what I've seen of it, it's terrible :<.
Then again, I've only seen 1 WinMo Phone and it was a weird one.
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WM is great because of the amount of free software available for it and the openness of the OS. Yes many times the carriers do a lousy job of programming their version of the phone software but thats where the custom roms come in. Remeber iOS and Android are babies in the world of phone software. So most of the worst specs for an android phone are really good for WM. That being said take about any WM phone and hack it with a good stable custom rom and you will be amazed. I've seen many of hte new android phones and I can say I 'm not that impressed. I think its a great phone for people who aren't phone smart. Thats not saying you can't root it and do really cool things with it. But out of the box its pretty locked down. Unfortunately WP7 is going the way of android and iOS because of their success putting smart phones in normal non techies hands. But for the true techie WM is where its at. Hoped that helped. I fear owning my HD2 for years because all the new phones will be locked down like iphone.
hopefully this eases your concerns about lockdown
one of my great friends recevied their developers wp7 device just the other day and theyve already hacked deep into it, done a plethora of customizations and so on. with wp7 i think we will see more apps and such since they say it has lots of appeal to developers. weve got xda, so we hopefully will never have to face a locked down windows phone haha
i agree, if you are very phone smart, and want to get your phone the exact way you like it windows is where its at. they get a bad rep in the smartphone world only because there is a pretty big learning curve before you can truly dig into the device.
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dont get me wrong, its a great os, but i am a much bigger fan of windows
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Same here
Despite I´m testing droid on my Leo
davidstre said:
hopefully this eases your concerns about lockdown
one of my great friends recevied their developers wp7 device just the other day and theyve already hacked deep into it, done a plethora of customizations and so on. with wp7 i think we will see more apps and such since they say it has lots of appeal to developers. weve got xda, so we hopefully will never have to face a locked down windows phone haha
i agree, if you are very phone smart, and want to get your phone the exact way you like it windows is where its at. they get a bad rep in the smartphone world only because there is a pretty big learning curve before you can truly dig into the device.
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I've been seeing alot about this on other sites. Devs seem to want the os cause it's market is not filled to the brims so thier apps get lost. First ones out the gate wins kinda thing. I'm eager to see what happens, though I plan on replacing my two raph's with a captivate. I'm really not digging the multitasking in wp7.
The rumored specs for the HD3 has me very interested in WP7. 4.5" 1280x800 screen, 1.5ghz dual core, 1gb ram, 32gb mem. Depends on the Apps too. I really like the Android market more so than what WinMo has offered. I'm a diehard WinMo user, but after running Android on my HD2.... I've found myself using WinMo less and less and less.
edit: Does WP7 even allow 1280x800 screen res? hmm.
If you use Outlook (I do for both business and personal), the sync between PC and device using ActiveSync/WMDC is (although far from perfect) essential. Doing sync between Android devices and Outlook appears to require either 3rd party apps of variable reliability/ease and/or use of Google mail and calendar. If you're paranoid about your data (like me) and don 't want to use someone else to store it, that make WinMo about the only option. So I think the corporates will keep WinMo alive and XDA-dev will keep it interesting!
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If you use Outlook (I do for both business and personal), the sync between PC and device using ActiveSync/WMDC is (although far from perfect) essential. Doing sync between Android devices and Outlook appears to require either 3rd party apps of variable reliability/ease and/or use of Google mail and calendar. If you're paranoid about your data (like me) and don 't want to use someone else to store it, that make WinMo about the only option. So I think the corporates will keep WinMo alive and XDA-dev will keep it interesting!
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Amen and Halleluiah!
maxpower097 said:
WM is great because of the amount of free software available for it and the openness of the OS. Yes many times the carriers do a lousy job of programming their version of the phone software but thats where the custom roms come in. Remeber iOS and Android are babies in the world of phone software. So most of the worst specs for an android phone are really good for WM. That being said take about any WM phone and hack it with a good stable custom rom and you will be amazed. I've seen many of hte new android phones and I can say I 'm not that impressed. I think its a great phone for people who aren't phone smart. Thats not saying you can't root it and do really cool things with it. But out of the box its pretty locked down. Unfortunately WP7 is going the way of android and iOS because of their success putting smart phones in normal non techies hands. But for the true techie WM is where its at. Hoped that helped. I fear owning my HD2 for years because all the new phones will be locked down like iphone.
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I dunno, Android, even un-rooted seems pretty Open, i never had a problem with it being "Locked Down"
Could be interesting stuff between the release of Android 3.0 and WM7...
boborone said:
I've been seeing alot about this on other sites. Devs seem to want the os cause it's market is not filled to the brims so thier apps get lost. First ones out the gate wins kinda thing. I'm eager to see what happens, though I plan on replacing my two raph's with a captivate. I'm really not digging the multitasking in wp7.
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its important for everyone to know these 3 thing:
-WP7 will be sending ota updates to the phone directely from microsoft. these updates will improve performance in some cases, and add features in other cases. microsofts goal is to bypass the carrier and avoid all of the bs that comes with carriers.
- keeping this in mind, microsoft has two major updates scheduled ALREADY for release within the the first few months of the phones release. one update is the addition of copy and paste, the other is suppose to have something to do with multi tasking
-they intentionally left copy and paste out of launch so they could distribute it in an ota update.
the multitasking issue isnt a bad thing actually. you can run as many native apps as you want at the same time, you just cant run multiple third party apps at the same time. HOWEVER, lets say i am running a third party app (app1) then lets say i launch a second third party app (app2) app1's state will be saved and placed in the background on "pause" if you will, while app2 runs. if i relaunch app1 its last known state will be restored and app2 will go into pause.