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Hi,
I am from Montreal, Canada. I am with rogers and I have Xperia X1i. Right now I have a contract with rogers of 6Gb for $30 till november. I really want an Android phone. Since Google decided to go with a weird frequency for 3g, I cant really get a nexus phone. So I decided to wait till july and probably get Xperia X10 with Android. I heard that telus is bringing motorola droid in Canada and telus have better plans than rogers (BTW for those who don't know, roger has terrible plans, my data plan is awesome but voice plan is terrible). So I am trying to decide between this two phones.
X10
Pros:
4inch screen, better looks, 1GHz processor!!!!
And I get to keep the same number with rogers
Cons:
It runs on Android 1.6?!! And even though it has 65k screen but it might be running at 35k?! No keyboard.
Milestone
Pros:
Android 2.0.1, Keyboard, hard metallic body, this phone is out and tested so it wont have any bugs.
Cons:
3.7inch screen, 133Mb rom and 550MHz processor.
I heard some where that the processor speed in not important. I am not sure whether it is true or not. One thing is for sure it runs on Android 2.0.1 whereas X10 is stuck at 1.6. I was wondering if anybody else is in the same kind of dilemma or even any thoughts or suggestions.
Thanks in advance
Bikram
Xperia X10 the specs are much better, but i'd personally hold out for HTC bravo.
I can't believe for a minute that there won't be an update to eclair for the X10, even if it's just be the folks on XDA! I wouldn't base my decision on what android version is on the device...
Bikram said:
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Android 2.0.1, Keyboard, hard metallic body, this phone is out and tested so it wont have any bugs.
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Did you REALLY just write that?
You should try googling it Go to the Android forums and look at the milestone and droid sections.
I chose a HTC HD2 over the Milestone for a couple of reasons.
1 - Bugs. They both have bugs, one big diference though is that HD2 has this massive community
2 - Exchange Support (not sure if relevant to you). 2.0 is still not full Exchange support.
3 - Office Support (again, not sure if relevant to you)
4 - Various reviews that said the keyboard on the Milestone was pants. Very few liked it (but some did!)
Its actually rogers that has the weird frequency.
You're in montreal, so wind isn't available (and won't be since videotron bought up all the quebec spectrum), but if you can hold out until summer, videotron http://corpo.videotron.com/site/press-room/press-release/375 is launching AWS service compatible with GN1.
SornyX10 may have a little bit of android, but it is really crippled by all the sorny proprietary junk that they've added onto it. There is also no indication that they will actually be updating from android 1.6 to anything newer *ever*.
Regarding CPU speed, its usefulness depends on your use. It is a phone after all... and with the internal storage limitations of the milestone, its not like you'll be installing any huge 3d games to take advantage of a fast CPU.
Bikram said:
Hi,
I am from Montreal, Canada. I am with rogers and I have Xperia X1i. Right now I have a contract with rogers of 6Gb for $30 till november. I really want an Android phone. Since Google decided to go with a weird frequency for 3g, I cant really get a nexus phone. So I decided to wait till july and probably get Xperia X10 with Android. I heard that telus is bringing motorola droid in Canada and telus have better plans than rogers (BTW for those who don't know, roger has terrible plans, my data plan is awesome but voice plan is terrible). So I am trying to decide between this two phones.
X10
Pros:
4inch screen, better looks, 1GHz processor!!!!
And I get to keep the same number with rogers
Cons:
It runs on Android 1.6?!! And even though it has 65k screen but it might be running at 35k?! No keyboard.
Milestone
Pros:
Android 2.0.1, Keyboard, hard metallic body, this phone is out and tested so it wont have any bugs.
Cons:
3.7inch screen, 133Mb rom and 550MHz processor.
I heard some where that the processor speed in not important. I am not sure whether it is true or not. One thing is for sure it runs on Android 2.0.1 whereas X10 is stuck at 1.6. I was wondering if anybody else is in the same kind of dilemma or even any thoughts or suggestions.
Thanks in advance
Bikram
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Get the X10a, Rogers is launching it later in the year if you want 3G.
Bikram said:
Hi,
I am from Montreal, Canada. I am with rogers and I have Xperia X1i. Right now I have a contract with rogers of 6Gb for $30 till november. I really want an Android phone. Since Google decided to go with a weird frequency for 3g, I cant really get a nexus phone. So I decided to wait till july and probably get Xperia X10 with Android. I heard that telus is bringing motorola droid in Canada and telus have better plans than rogers (BTW for those who don't know, roger has terrible plans, my data plan is awesome but voice plan is terrible). So I am trying to decide between this two phones.
X10
Pros:
4inch screen, better looks, 1GHz processor!!!!
And I get to keep the same number with rogers
Cons:
It runs on Android 1.6?!! And even though it has 65k screen but it might be running at 35k?! No keyboard.
Milestone
Pros:
Android 2.0.1, Keyboard, hard metallic body, this phone is out and tested so it wont have any bugs.
Cons:
3.7inch screen, 133Mb rom and 550MHz processor.
I heard some where that the processor speed in not important. I am not sure whether it is true or not. One thing is for sure it runs on Android 2.0.1 whereas X10 is stuck at 1.6. I was wondering if anybody else is in the same kind of dilemma or even any thoughts or suggestions.
Thanks in advance
Bikram
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Processor speed is important. If you are going with Windows Mobile 6.1 to 6.5 the 528 MHZ is like a minimum requirement, or else your phone will be slow as ****. Don't listen to the people who have 528 MHz phone. Listen to the people who have the 1GHz one.
lbcoder said:
Its actually rogers that has the weird frequency.
You're in montreal, so wind isn't available (and won't be since videotron bought up all the quebec spectrum), but if you can hold out until summer, videotron http://corpo.videotron.com/site/press-room/press-release/375 is launching AWS service compatible with GN1.
SornyX10 may have a little bit of android, but it is really crippled by all the sorny proprietary junk that they've added onto it. There is also no indication that they will actually be updating from android 1.6 to anything newer *ever*.
Regarding CPU speed, its usefulness depends on your use. It is a phone after all... and with the internal storage limitations of the milestone, its not like you'll be installing any huge 3d games to take advantage of a fast CPU.
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Wow videotron is getting AWS, great.
When it comes to processor everybody has different opinion. I am not going to play 3D games but I hate slow animations in my HTC sense ROM ( even though xperia x1 is suppose to have a seperate memory just for video processing). And specially when they freezes!!! Its really annoying, I haven't seen that on a Iphone though (I dont have an Iphone, saw it from friends). And android would have been the next thing to try.
Android 2.1 is better than 1.6 that I know for sure. Now its seems like everything comes to one question:
DOES PROCESSOR SPEED MATTERS? I never seen a phone with 1GHz so no clue. Anybody ever seen phone with 1Ghz?
Monty Burns said:
Did you REALLY just write that?
You should try googling it Go to the Android forums and look at the milestone and droid sections.
I chose a HTC HD2 over the Milestone for a couple of reasons.
1 - Bugs. They both have bugs, one big diference though is that HD2 has this massive community
2 - Exchange Support (not sure if relevant to you). 2.0 is still not full Exchange support.
3 - Office Support (again, not sure if relevant to you)
4 - Various reviews that said the keyboard on the Milestone was pants. Very few liked it (but some did!)
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Dude up here in Canada we call a bug "bug" like when you can't call 911 from your cell
Now google that lol
Just kidding, you were right.
I just signed up for WIND here in canada and they have ****ty phones. I really was gonna go for the Galaxy S but not gonna happen since i went WIND. I been using a BB 9700 and am very happy with it but i wanted to to switch to the robot for a while now.
So my only option for now is to go BB or go robot. The XT720 got mixed reviews and no 2.2 update really making me have second thoughts. The under powered processor is another let down but i hear you can overclock it to 1GHz? but how bad is that on the battery life (i would hate to charge it daily). the reviews said its slow and under powered but i need to know what you guys think.
I know it will never be a galaxy but can it come close with the hacks and overclocking etc?
Do you think we will get 2.2 unofficially from the Korean update?
PS i had a omnia 2 before the BB and if this is as sluggish as the O2 then forget it.
1. XT720 will not get official 2.2 update. Motoroi (Korean XT720) already got the update on Christmas Eve and developers are trying to port it to other XT720 phones, but they're still having some issues with proximity sensor, gravity sensor and touch sensitive button LED lights. 3G connection is also still not working.
2. Even in 2.1 update 1, we can overclock the phone (up to 1.2 GHz), install App2SD to move your apps to SD card and have some tweaks to make the phone running a lot better than original stock.
3. Unfortunately, you'll have to charge your phone daily (same as other touch-screen phones larger than 3.5" screen). My best record is 40 hours continuously running without charging. can't go over that.
4. After a few tweaks, the phone is better than Nexus One (according to the benchmarks also). But the HD video recording sucks. (HDMI output is also just for show. can't get it to work nicely). 8MP camera is just on per with other 5MP cameras. Xenon Flash rocks when it's dark, but it kills you with the lagging time and battery life.
Apart from the things mentioned in 4, I love my phone. I've been using this for 6 months already and still thinking to keep it for at least another 6 months before getting a new one even I can't get 2.2 update on the phone. (Throw that BB away. It's Stone Age's phone).
Hope you get your answer. pls feel free to ask anything u want to know.
Love it. Although my previous phone was a WinMo phone, so anything better will seem like heaven.
@spiderx_mm's points are all true, however it's not that much of a big deal for me. I guess I'll root mine eventually, but only to get rid of stock apps I do not use to get me some space.
well my main concern is the lag, if we can make the lag go away altogether i can see myself using the phone. Using a 3rd party app to get apps on the SD card is no big deal as long as it works for any/all apps. Hopefully users can convince Moto to get of there ass and support there devices so we get a official 2.2 update, that way we get some major speed increase, flash and apps on SD officially.
Coming from a O2 which i had to tweak the hell out of and still have slow response crashes and reboots, it start to get annoying and i don't want on that boat again. I ended up having to disable everything just so i can use it regularly. This is something i never had to do with the BB and is 1000x better then winmo so i really hope thats not a issue with this phone due to the low RAM.
I dumped the O2 and went BB was coz of the lack of RAM no matter what i did i could not get more then 2 apps working or they just started randomly closing on me.
1.) If clocked to 1GHz dose the phone heat up?
2.) How much RAM do you have after 2-3 days of usage without a reboot or it dieing?
3.) Is it sluggish at all after the overclock? i can see it lag a bit, but can't deal with it crashing (Samsung Omnia 2)?
4.) What about if you add a live wallpaper and some cool apps that are resource hungry? (just wanna know how much it can handle)
5.) How is browsing websites on the phone? dose it start to hang the phone lag/crash?
On a regular day i wanna be able to do the following at the same time; surf the web while listing to music, be on MSN and taking calls/SMS/emailsand facebook/twitter and youtube etc. This is what i do with my BB always have MSN running and music playing and usually have the browser open and emails coming in etc check facebook go on youtube links etc I use the BB to the max and got pretty used to it and can't go back to using 2 apps at a time like i had to with the O2.
Even if i can be browsing the web and listing to music and be on MSN and take calls/sms/emails without it hanging, lagging. I could try to live with it, even the BB lags a bit but maybe like 20seconds or so very rarely i have to do a battery pull. But that was a daily thing with the O2.
With the O2 i could not listen to music and surf the web at the same time, if i had HTC Sense running forget even running the browser without getting the low memory message and this is with a stripped down light ROM. I really don't wanna be on that train REALLY REALLY DONT.
As you can see how much i have suffered coz of winmo and hoping this phone is better.
Dude!...
You'll not believe this, but this little toy from Motorora beats the Galaxy S, yes you heard me right, and no, i'm not joking.
If you go over to the I9000 section of the forum, you know Galaxy S is like bread & water, but when you put the 2 together, it beats the SGS hands on 2.1 eclair.
it has got App2SD or App2Card, it can be safely OC to 1 Ghz, stock is 720 Mhz
the screen is smoooooooooth sailing, not laggy like the SGS, GPS is perfect!
SGS GPS works, but it can be better
XT720 battery last a day+ on a single charge even when OCed
8 MP camera, dedicated camera buttons
HDMI output man! HDMI! not even the SGS has that.
you can throw in a 16 GB or 32 GB microSD, it comes out of the box with a 8 GB microSD
3G is really fast on Wind Mobile
Tons of hacks, all well brewed to perfection.
the machine is rock solid and stable... unlike the SGS
Everyone at work were impressed with the XT720 demo, they were not as impressed when the SGS were demoed, due the minor lags.
I was originally in FIDO, but the $40 plan was too sweet to pass over.
You'll not go wrong with the XT720
your next best bet if you really don't pick this one up, are the:
Tmobile Nexus S i9020
Tmobile Galaxy S Vibrant SGH-T959
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jebise101 said:
I just signed up for WIND here in canada and they have ****ty phones. I really was gonna go for the Galaxy S but not gonna happen since i went WIND. I been using a BB 9700 and am very happy with it but i wanted to to switch to the robot for a while now.
So my only option for now is to go BB or go robot. The XT720 got mixed reviews and no 2.2 update really making me have second thoughts. The under powered processor is another let down but i hear you can overclock it to 1GHz? but how bad is that on the battery life (i would hate to charge it daily). the reviews said its slow and under powered but i need to know what you guys think.
I know it will never be a galaxy but can it come close with the hacks and overclocking etc?
Do you think we will get 2.2 unofficially from the Korean update?
PS i had a omnia 2 before the BB and if this is as sluggish as the O2 then forget it.
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Once custom ROMs (obviously, not a custom kernel) get released on the XT702 like on the international Milestone, you won't even need to overclock it for good speeds and lag-free GUI. Even the Droid 2 with its 1GHz OMAP chip can lag with the stock ROM.
The Galaxy S would have been the best phone ever made if Samsung had used a traditional RGB subpixel system instead of terrible pentile matrix (missing 33% subpixels, awfully inaccurate colors). IF you can live with the Galaxy S' pentile matrix display (and that is a big IF) while reading small text, then consider the T-Mobile version mentioned by AllGamer.
i can play movie even mkv 480p smooth without lag..hd games also superb...:
my same fun & joyful experience as khalpowers
khalpowers said:
u proof me wrong dude!..here my 7 home screen...
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Your phone isn't smooth in either of your videos (Maybe just a TINY bit in the MIUI transitions video). That's my major problem with the XT720. I've used my sister's Galaxy S and it's nearly as smooth as an iPhone 4. I would only recommend the XT720 to someone who does not mind that you cannot customize the ROM. Angry Birds doesn't even run at full speed compared to the one on my old iPod Touch.
I ended up getting the nokia 5230 and giving it to my dad, will be getting the SGS for myself. The 2.2 upgrade was a total let down plus no custom ROM's or tweaks kida pushed me off and i never like Moto . SGS has its problems but i think i can live with that because of 2.2 and also up coming 2.3.
just finding that custom ROM is all i will need, if the XT can be OC'ed then maybe the SGS can also. Why would you guys recommend the tmobile version versus the bell version? are they not the same thing minus the antenna's and design?
Getting the Nexus S android 2.3 ported to the SGS was a huge factor for me, as that just says to me once we get this port perfected then anything google releases for the Nexus S can easily be ported to the SGS and no stupid Samsung bloatware. I would only get the Nexus S because of android 2.3 (its gonna come for the SGS officially and even if it doesn't we will have the Nexus port) and the LED flash. Other than that the devices are the same from what i have seen.
if you were looking to get the XT720
you would have noticed it runs on 1700/2100
Bell runs on 850/1900
the Tmobile version runs on 1700/2100
jebise101 said:
I ended up getting the nokia 5230 and giving it to my dad, will be getting the SGS for myself. The 2.2 upgrade was a total let down plus no custom ROM's or tweaks kida pushed me off and i never like Moto . SGS has its problems but i think i can live with that because of 2.2 and also up coming 2.3.
just finding that custom ROM is all i will need, if the XT can be OC'ed then maybe the SGS can also. Why would you guys recommend the tmobile version versus the bell version? are they not the same thing minus the antenna's and design?
Getting the Nexus S android 2.3 ported to the SGS was a huge factor for me, as that just says to me once we get this port perfected then anything google releases for the Nexus S can easily be ported to the SGS and no stupid Samsung bloatware. I would only get the Nexus S because of android 2.3 (its gonna come for the SGS officially and even if it doesn't we will have the Nexus port) and the LED flash. Other than that the devices are the same from what i have seen.
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jebise101 said:
I ended up getting the nokia 5230
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I probably would recommend the same thing. Though I have one odd use case that most people do not have and that is "wifi" tethering (after rooting)for those times when I need to connect another device to access the Internet. e.g. laptop, PSP, iPod etc.
The phone itself is a bit overpriced for just that one feature though. However, since I recently lost my iPod touch, this would act as a replacement for it.
So far the relationship I have with the phone (got it on Dec 14) can be described as "I hate it, but my life will not be fun without it"
However, I if I still had my iPod, I may get Alcatel Tribe just because it is cheaper.
AllGamer said:
if you were looking to get the XT720
you would have noticed it runs on 1700/2100
Bell runs on 850/1900
the Tmobile version runs on 1700/2100
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I know WIND/T-Mobile run on the same bands and Bell/Verizon i think are the same bands and Rogers/AT&T are same bands.
I'm stuck with a 3 year contract with bell and that was why i was thinking of switching to WIND's miracle plan and giving my dad my bell contract. But that not what ended up happening, i stayed with my bell contract and got dad a nokia with the $25 which meant i could in the end get the SGS i wanted since it came out in june.
jebise101 said:
I know WIND/T-Mobile run on the same bands and Bell/Verizon i think are the same bands and Rogers/AT&T are same bands.
I'm stuck with a 3 year contract with bell and that was why i was thinking of switching to WIND's miracle plan and giving my dad my bell contract. But that not what ended up happening, i stayed with my bell contract and got dad a nokia with the $25 which meant i could in the end get the SGS i wanted since it came out in june.
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that's exactly what i did, i switched over to WIND
those plans were AMAZING!!!! (enjoying every minute of it ) unfortunately the lats day to get it was last year 12/31
no more worries about calling long distance
no more worries about sending SMS to international numbers
no more worries about data limit
no more worries about anything.... all feature, all unlimited, ALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!! muahahahahahaha!!!!!
never been happier switching providers
AllGamer said:
that's exactly what i did, i switched over to WIND
those plans were AMAZING!!!! (enjoying every minute of it ) unfortunately the lats day to get it was last year 12/31
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Wind's plans are awesome, but the coverage is somewhat ****ty still. Just gotta wait until they put more towers out there. Now that there's Mobilicity in town (they seem to use AWS2100 as well) that's only a matter of time.
Hi,
im planing to buy the Xt720 soon, but my question is wether it runs somewhat smooth or is it lagging sometimes, because there were mixed replies in some other thread.
And when i OC the milestone xt720 and maybe put the Froyo JIT thing on it, how would it be in terms of speed in comparison to the HTC Desire?
Is it a huge drawback that the phone cant be updated to 2.2 yet? I mean except for performance it doesn't change that much right?
Overall would you suggest the phone to me or is there a better alternative in this pricerange?
And my last question is, when i root my phone is the chance for real higher that it gets a defect or are these warnings pretty much meanless?
Thanks in advance
when clocked at 1000, you wont even know the difference to when HTC Desire was on 2.1
if you remember how it was for the Desire to run 2.1, then that's how it feels on this phone
we're working towards porting a 2.2 to work on our phone, it'll be a matter of time before we get it
Reedddd said:
Hi,
im planing to buy the Xt720 soon, but my question is wether it runs somewhat smooth or is it lagging sometimes, because there were mixed replies in some other thread.
And when i OC the milestone xt720 and maybe put the Froyo JIT thing on it, how would it be in terms of speed in comparison to the HTC Desire?
Is it a huge drawback that the phone cant be updated to 2.2 yet? I mean except for performance it doesn't change that much right?
Overall would you suggest the phone to me or is there a better alternative in this pricerange?
And my last question is, when i root my phone is the chance for real higher that it gets a defect or are these warnings pretty much meanless?
Thanks in advance
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Ok thank you thats great to hear.
But when i overclock my phone to 1GH will there be issues with the phone, i mean will it stop functioning earlier when overclocked that much or doesn't it matter at all?
In Terms of speed, even when not overclocked the motorola milestone xt720 is faster/less laggy then the samsung galaxy 3 i5800 right? Because i saw a video where the xt720 was lagging and galaxy 3 wasnt.
Sorry for my bad english im german
Thanks in Advance
Hy i´m verry Happy with this Device....i´ve not Modified anything....only installed Updates and some Apps and everything is fine.....i´ve bid it from Ebay as New for 186 €....so for me its the Best Phone i´ve ever bought and it was very cheap.....
I´m an old WinMo Fanboy but now with Android its the best i ever used.....fast,easy to customize and easy to Use......
Sorry for my poor English.....
Loving the phone
I am using it for little more than a month and totally loving it..
Guys please help me out. Is it worth it to switch to moto xt720? My current phone is Samsung Wave. Thanks
here's my view
Bada OS = sucks, no freedom, no choices
phone itself = good phone and amazing AMOLED screen
so if you are satisfied to have a phone that is a phone, and works, and able to take pictures, then there is no need to change
but if you want the wonderful FREE stuff that you get off Android Market, then you'll need an Android Phone
and the XT720 is a very good phone that serves all purposes, it might not be the top of the line, but it can keep up without a sweat
a bit shy on the battery life
however... the if you were using a WAVE, that means you were on a 3G HSDPA 900 / 2100 network
the XT720 runs on 3G HSDPA 1700 / 2100 network
are you sure that is compatible?
Thanks for the reply bro. Yeah I['m still in a dilemma of I should switch. I never had any android phones before. That's why I think that xt720 would be a good starting phone for me to try android. but the thing that is holding me back from switching is that xt720 is only runs 2.1 eclair. the phone memory is too low to isntall many apps. I read somewhere that you can use a certain app or hack that let's you install the apps on the memory card, but it also stated that it still uses some part of the phone memory,.
I got bored on this bada os. No customization, very simple and mimimalistic interface.
the memormy may be small. It's not laggy at all with more than 1 widget and multiple apps open (even w/o overclock). And 2.1, alright, but Dexter is working on the 2.2 port and he's gonna throw out a bèta one of these days. So 2.2 is on it's way and if the kexec crack starts to work good, then we could also have newer android versions later this year. So updates are not a problem for now.
To the TS I'd say: throw away that Wave and get yourself the XT720 It's a really good Android-phone and like AllGamer says: not the top of the line, but it sure can keep up and the camera is really good, hardware too and it just does what it does and that's what a phone needs to do IMHO: do what it does.
But indeed, check the MHz to see if it's compatible.
to the TS: since u are geting a new phone please DO NOT settle for anything less than froyo and 512MB ram or you'll be regret. speaking from experience, i own the xt720 and my wife's nexus one runs wayyyy better with the additional ram. the ram really helps when u have many apps running
en0203 said:
to the TS: since u are geting a new phone please DO NOT settle for anything less than froyo and 512MB ram or you'll be regret. speaking from experience, i own the xt720 and my wife's nexus one runs wayyyy better with the additional ram. the ram really helps when u have many apps running
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I have 3 phones - HTC Desire HD, HTC Desire and this xt720. The xt720 (with O.C.1000) is laggiest of all. The response is much slower than the other two. Granted, it's rather unfair to compare the Desire HD with this due to the price. However, the usage experience is very bad.
Put it this way, I listen to music, fine. When a call arrives, it takes 2 seconds to unlock the screen because the screen stalls for that long. After that, I missed the call and have to wait another 2 seconds for the contact list to pop up so that I can call back. I dont have any of the issues with the HTC phones. Context switching is SLOW on this phone and no surprise, that IS the memory (RAM) being so small.
anonaye2 said:
I have 3 phones - HTC Desire HD, HTC Desire and this xt720. The xt720 (with O.C.1000) is laggiest of all. The response is much slower than the other two. Granted, it's rather unfair to compare the Desire HD with this due to the price. However, the usage experience is very bad.
Put it this way, I listen to music, fine. When a call arrives, it takes 2 seconds to unlock the screen because the screen stalls for that long. After that, I missed the call and have to wait another 2 seconds for the contact list to pop up so that I can call back. I dont have any of the issues with the HTC phones. Context switching is SLOW on this phone and no surprise, that IS the memory (RAM) being so small.
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dude! your phone is something seriously wrong. most of the XT720 users don't complaint like this.
I've compared my phone with Nexus One (Running 2.1) and to my surprise, Nexus One is way too sluggish.
Moreover, you're comparing the phone with devices running Android 2.2 which obviously performs better than 2.1 regardless of hardware (just compare two Nexus One running 2.1 and 2.2 respectively) . So, wait till Dextor finished porting android 2.2 and compare again. you'll be surprised.
hmm now I'm confused, half says that xt720 is a good phone, the other says it's sluggish and lags. hmm. I still can't decide. Wave is a good multimedia phone, but I'm not using it that much because I already bought an hdtv and I prefer watching in the bigscreen.
spiderx_mm said:
dude! your phone is something seriously wrong. most of the XT720 users don't complaint like this.
I've compared my phone with Nexus One (Running 2.1) and to my surprise, Nexus One is way too sluggish.
Moreover, you're comparing the phone with devices running Android 2.2 which obviously performs better than 2.1 regardless of hardware (just compare two Nexus One running 2.1 and 2.2 respectively) . So, wait till Dextor finished porting android 2.2 and compare again. you'll be surprised.
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Then, obviously xt720 fails for not getting 2.2 from Motorola. Depite high hopes and expectations from Dextor (thanks and keep up the good work!); no offence but the port and time-line is not guarenteed. It's a risk-factor big or small.
For similar >priced< phone, I simply cannot see any reason to get xt720 instead of the HTC Desire -- already working at 2.2 means more features/ performance out of the box. There is no need to overlock, app2sd, JIT, etc etc.
Surely we all enjoy tuning and optimizing our phones (that's why we're here!), but this is no way to expect any average person to do all that just to make the one product "slighly on par" with the other. We are paying similar price afterall.
The xt720 has better xenon flash/ 8MP camera. But, if I want to take a good photo/video, it'll be coming from a proper camera/camcorder.
anonaye2 said:
For similar >priced< phone, I simply cannot see any reason to get xt720 instead of the HTC Desire
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have you ever though about the radio bands?
not all phones works on all 3G networks
maybe the OP is looking to buy a phone that works for the network he/she is using or planing to use.
that was exactly my case, i switched network and all the phones that i liked, did not work on the network, and the only 2 choices were XT720 or Nexus S
I want to get myself a Motorola XT720 because I like a lot of stuff about it. One thing I don't like though, is that Motorola has ditched this and it's stuck at 2.1. Currently, development is in progress for 2.2 (porting from the motoroi) in the XT720 forum here and it looks hopeful. Whatever the case though, it will likely never go beyond 2.2.
Now 2.2. adds a lot over 2.1 so having that would be great. 2.3 I don't see a need for as much as 2.2. The question is, if I'm getting a device that I want to keep around for a while, how bad is it if it's stuck at 2.2? Is it recommended that I avoid that phone (it's combination of price+features are why I want it) at all costs, or is being stuck at 2.2. not that bad?
What do you think?
2.1 wasn't bad itself and 2.2 brings some noticable improvements but not a paradigm shift. 2.3 seems to be mostly graphical changes more than anything else so you wouldn't be missing out on much here. Being 'stuck' on 2.2 is in no way a bad thing as it's still the best platform experience that i've had yet in a smartphone.
Personally, one thing i look for when choosing a smartphone is the level of community support and popularity of the device so that official updates are less of a concern down the line.
for me upgrading from 2.1 to 2.2 was a big leap forward especially concerning my batterylifetime and 2.3 look is awesome.
but if you are happy with your current version don't change it.
Yes, for me it was speed. 2.2 really was amazing the difference in speed improvement/
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Yes, for me it was speed. 2.2 really was amazing the difference in speed improvement/
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I agree, I recently put on the Cyanogenmod 6 port to my Milestone and its such a huge difference.
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I agree, I recently put on the Cyanogenmod 6 port to my Milestone and its such a huge difference.
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Cyanogen works with the Milestone XT720 or are you talking about different milestone?
It seems some apps wont work in the 2.3 Rom, so just wait and see
I am not sure what to think about the improtance of updates.... In my limited experience with Android, so far I really cannot tell any difference before or after an update.
(I am speaking of official updates, not app updates from the market).........
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Cyanogen works with the Milestone XT720 or are you talking about different milestone?
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he is talking about the telus milestone, more commonly referred to as the droid 1
I have the Motorola Xt720 that Wind provides, but now i see they have the newer Samsung Nexus S, and i'm considering swapping phones, but should I?
I have looked at the pros and cons, but the 2 phones are better and worse than each other on different fields and to me seem to balance out oddly. like the xt720 has sd card while the SNS doesn't but has a significantly bigger internal memory, which means more apps and stuff, i find that on my moto that i constantly run low in internal memory due to too many apps. SNS runs 2.3 and the xt720 runs 2.1; however, if i root my xt720 i could update it to 2.2 (which i hear is less glitcher than 2.3), but I'd void my warranty. the camera on the xt720 is much better, not sure about the video though. The SNS i see covers more video format though, and seems to have a longer battery life. I find myself having to constantly charge my Motorola if i use it moderately and it easily over-heats which leads to more battery consumption. but that SD card thing for the SNS is the real con for me, i have a few vidoes, but I am heavy on music. But at the same time i want more apps...
So essentially I have 3 choices:
-Keep my xt720 the way it is and get on with life
-Root my Xt720 and upgrade to 2.2 or
-Get the Samsung Nexus S
I'm really confused D': , and would really appreciate help on the subject, also if there is an x-factor that I'm missing (either good or bad) i want to know about it. What do you guys think? oh, and in case anyone was wondering i have the irresistable plan
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I have the Motorola Xt720 that Wind provides, but now i see they have the newer Samsung Nexus S, and i'm considering swapping phones, but should I?
I have looked at the pros and cons, but the 2 phones are better and worse than each other on different fields and to me seem to balance out oddly. like the xt720 has sd card while the SNS doesn't but has a significantly bigger internal memory, which means more apps and stuff, i find that on my moto that i constantly run low in internal memory due to too many apps. SNS runs 2.3 and the xt720 runs 2.1; however, if i root my xt720 i could update it to 2.2 (which i hear is less glitcher than 2.3), but I'd void my warranty. the camera on the xt720 is much better, not sure about the video though. The SNS i see covers more video format though, and seems to have a longer battery life. I find myself having to constantly charge my Motorola if i use it moderately and it easily over-heats which leads to more battery consumption. but that SD card thing for the SNS is the real con for me, i have a few vidoes, but I am heavy on music. But at the same time i want more apps...
So essentially I have 3 choices:
-Keep my xt720 the way it is and get on with life
-Root my Xt720 and upgrade to 2.2 or
-Get the Samsung Nexus S
I'm really confused D': , and would really appreciate help on the subject, also if there is an x-factor that I'm missing (either good or bad) i want to know about it. What do you guys think? oh, and in case anyone was wondering i have the irresistable plan
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I vote for : "Root my Xt720 and upgrade to 2.2"
Video tutorial on how to upgrade:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943368
Is there some time constraint involved? Does rooting/modding your phone preclude the possibility of getting an SGS sometime later?
Aaron520 said:
I have the Motorola Xt720 that Wind provides, but now i see they have the newer Samsung Nexus S, and i'm considering swapping phones, but should I?
I have looked at the pros and cons, but the 2 phones are better and worse than each other on different fields and to me seem to balance out oddly. like the xt720 has sd card while the SNS doesn't but has a significantly bigger internal memory, which means more apps and stuff, i find that on my moto that i constantly run low in internal memory due to too many apps. SNS runs 2.3 and the xt720 runs 2.1; however, if i root my xt720 i could update it to 2.2 (which i hear is less glitcher than 2.3), but I'd void my warranty. the camera on the xt720 is much better, not sure about the video though. The SNS i see covers more video format though, and seems to have a longer battery life. I find myself having to constantly charge my Motorola if i use it moderately and it easily over-heats which leads to more battery consumption. but that SD card thing for the SNS is the real con for me, i have a few vidoes, but I am heavy on music. But at the same time i want more apps...
So essentially I have 3 choices:
-Keep my xt720 the way it is and get on with life
-Root my Xt720 and upgrade to 2.2 or
-Get the Samsung Nexus S
I'm really confused D': , and would really appreciate help on the subject, also if there is an x-factor that I'm missing (either good or bad) i want to know about it. What do you guys think? oh, and in case anyone was wondering i have the irresistable plan
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If your pocket allow you to do so, I'd suggest that you get a SNS. Don't need to worry about no SD card coz SNS's 16GB internal memory will be more than enough for you. (I hope you're not putting a 32GB SDHC in your Moto)
You should get SNS.....
Sent from my XT720 using XDA App
Mioze7Ae said:
Is there some time constraint involved? Does rooting/modding your phone preclude the possibility of getting an SGS sometime later?
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I recommend waiting for something different as well if you can. I hear the G2X is coming to WIND soon and who knows what else is down the road. If you're fine with the XT720 for now, just hold on until something comes by that is a clear winner in every category.
Mioze7Ae said:
Is there some time constraint involved? Does rooting/modding your phone preclude the possibility of getting an SGS sometime later?
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the problem is that Wind doesn't have SGS
Aaron520 said:
the problem is that Wind doesn't have SGS
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I meant SNS. Sorry.
Mioze7Ae said:
I meant SNS. Sorry.
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thats the thing i have no idea if i can exchange my phone if i root it
Get the Nexus S. Hell, buy one from mobilicity and benefit from their cheaper asking price.
I decided that wrestling with my XT720 was not worth the hassle any more, and bought one from NCIX at 450.