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Xperia X10 vs. Milestone ( in Canada)

Hi,
I am from Montreal, Canada. I am with rogers and I have Xperia X1i. Right now I have a contract with rogers of 6Gb for $30 till november. I really want an Android phone. Since Google decided to go with a weird frequency for 3g, I cant really get a nexus phone. So I decided to wait till july and probably get Xperia X10 with Android. I heard that telus is bringing motorola droid in Canada and telus have better plans than rogers (BTW for those who don't know, roger has terrible plans, my data plan is awesome but voice plan is terrible). So I am trying to decide between this two phones.
X10
Pros:
4inch screen, better looks, 1GHz processor!!!!
And I get to keep the same number with rogers
Cons:
It runs on Android 1.6?!! And even though it has 65k screen but it might be running at 35k?! No keyboard.
Milestone
Pros:
Android 2.0.1, Keyboard, hard metallic body, this phone is out and tested so it wont have any bugs.
Cons:
3.7inch screen, 133Mb rom and 550MHz processor.
I heard some where that the processor speed in not important. I am not sure whether it is true or not. One thing is for sure it runs on Android 2.0.1 whereas X10 is stuck at 1.6. I was wondering if anybody else is in the same kind of dilemma or even any thoughts or suggestions.
Thanks in advance
Bikram

Xperia X10 the specs are much better, but i'd personally hold out for HTC bravo.

I can't believe for a minute that there won't be an update to eclair for the X10, even if it's just be the folks on XDA! I wouldn't base my decision on what android version is on the device...

Bikram said:
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Android 2.0.1, Keyboard, hard metallic body, this phone is out and tested so it wont have any bugs.
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Did you REALLY just write that?
You should try googling it Go to the Android forums and look at the milestone and droid sections.
I chose a HTC HD2 over the Milestone for a couple of reasons.
1 - Bugs. They both have bugs, one big diference though is that HD2 has this massive community
2 - Exchange Support (not sure if relevant to you). 2.0 is still not full Exchange support.
3 - Office Support (again, not sure if relevant to you)
4 - Various reviews that said the keyboard on the Milestone was pants. Very few liked it (but some did!)

Its actually rogers that has the weird frequency.
You're in montreal, so wind isn't available (and won't be since videotron bought up all the quebec spectrum), but if you can hold out until summer, videotron http://corpo.videotron.com/site/press-room/press-release/375 is launching AWS service compatible with GN1.
SornyX10 may have a little bit of android, but it is really crippled by all the sorny proprietary junk that they've added onto it. There is also no indication that they will actually be updating from android 1.6 to anything newer *ever*.
Regarding CPU speed, its usefulness depends on your use. It is a phone after all... and with the internal storage limitations of the milestone, its not like you'll be installing any huge 3d games to take advantage of a fast CPU.
Bikram said:
Hi,
I am from Montreal, Canada. I am with rogers and I have Xperia X1i. Right now I have a contract with rogers of 6Gb for $30 till november. I really want an Android phone. Since Google decided to go with a weird frequency for 3g, I cant really get a nexus phone. So I decided to wait till july and probably get Xperia X10 with Android. I heard that telus is bringing motorola droid in Canada and telus have better plans than rogers (BTW for those who don't know, roger has terrible plans, my data plan is awesome but voice plan is terrible). So I am trying to decide between this two phones.
X10
Pros:
4inch screen, better looks, 1GHz processor!!!!
And I get to keep the same number with rogers
Cons:
It runs on Android 1.6?!! And even though it has 65k screen but it might be running at 35k?! No keyboard.
Milestone
Pros:
Android 2.0.1, Keyboard, hard metallic body, this phone is out and tested so it wont have any bugs.
Cons:
3.7inch screen, 133Mb rom and 550MHz processor.
I heard some where that the processor speed in not important. I am not sure whether it is true or not. One thing is for sure it runs on Android 2.0.1 whereas X10 is stuck at 1.6. I was wondering if anybody else is in the same kind of dilemma or even any thoughts or suggestions.
Thanks in advance
Bikram
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Get the X10a, Rogers is launching it later in the year if you want 3G.

Bikram said:
Hi,
I am from Montreal, Canada. I am with rogers and I have Xperia X1i. Right now I have a contract with rogers of 6Gb for $30 till november. I really want an Android phone. Since Google decided to go with a weird frequency for 3g, I cant really get a nexus phone. So I decided to wait till july and probably get Xperia X10 with Android. I heard that telus is bringing motorola droid in Canada and telus have better plans than rogers (BTW for those who don't know, roger has terrible plans, my data plan is awesome but voice plan is terrible). So I am trying to decide between this two phones.
X10
Pros:
4inch screen, better looks, 1GHz processor!!!!
And I get to keep the same number with rogers
Cons:
It runs on Android 1.6?!! And even though it has 65k screen but it might be running at 35k?! No keyboard.
Milestone
Pros:
Android 2.0.1, Keyboard, hard metallic body, this phone is out and tested so it wont have any bugs.
Cons:
3.7inch screen, 133Mb rom and 550MHz processor.
I heard some where that the processor speed in not important. I am not sure whether it is true or not. One thing is for sure it runs on Android 2.0.1 whereas X10 is stuck at 1.6. I was wondering if anybody else is in the same kind of dilemma or even any thoughts or suggestions.
Thanks in advance
Bikram
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Processor speed is important. If you are going with Windows Mobile 6.1 to 6.5 the 528 MHZ is like a minimum requirement, or else your phone will be slow as ****. Don't listen to the people who have 528 MHz phone. Listen to the people who have the 1GHz one.

lbcoder said:
Its actually rogers that has the weird frequency.
You're in montreal, so wind isn't available (and won't be since videotron bought up all the quebec spectrum), but if you can hold out until summer, videotron http://corpo.videotron.com/site/press-room/press-release/375 is launching AWS service compatible with GN1.
SornyX10 may have a little bit of android, but it is really crippled by all the sorny proprietary junk that they've added onto it. There is also no indication that they will actually be updating from android 1.6 to anything newer *ever*.
Regarding CPU speed, its usefulness depends on your use. It is a phone after all... and with the internal storage limitations of the milestone, its not like you'll be installing any huge 3d games to take advantage of a fast CPU.
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Wow videotron is getting AWS, great.
When it comes to processor everybody has different opinion. I am not going to play 3D games but I hate slow animations in my HTC sense ROM ( even though xperia x1 is suppose to have a seperate memory just for video processing). And specially when they freezes!!! Its really annoying, I haven't seen that on a Iphone though (I dont have an Iphone, saw it from friends). And android would have been the next thing to try.
Android 2.1 is better than 1.6 that I know for sure. Now its seems like everything comes to one question:
DOES PROCESSOR SPEED MATTERS? I never seen a phone with 1GHz so no clue. Anybody ever seen phone with 1Ghz?

Monty Burns said:
Did you REALLY just write that?
You should try googling it Go to the Android forums and look at the milestone and droid sections.
I chose a HTC HD2 over the Milestone for a couple of reasons.
1 - Bugs. They both have bugs, one big diference though is that HD2 has this massive community
2 - Exchange Support (not sure if relevant to you). 2.0 is still not full Exchange support.
3 - Office Support (again, not sure if relevant to you)
4 - Various reviews that said the keyboard on the Milestone was pants. Very few liked it (but some did!)
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Dude up here in Canada we call a bug "bug" like when you can't call 911 from your cell
Now google that lol
Just kidding, you were right.

Is it worth it to switch to moto xt720 from a Samsung Wave

Guys please help me out. Is it worth it to switch to moto xt720? My current phone is Samsung Wave. Thanks

here's my view
Bada OS = sucks, no freedom, no choices
phone itself = good phone and amazing AMOLED screen
so if you are satisfied to have a phone that is a phone, and works, and able to take pictures, then there is no need to change
but if you want the wonderful FREE stuff that you get off Android Market, then you'll need an Android Phone
and the XT720 is a very good phone that serves all purposes, it might not be the top of the line, but it can keep up without a sweat
a bit shy on the battery life
however... the if you were using a WAVE, that means you were on a 3G HSDPA 900 / 2100 network
the XT720 runs on 3G HSDPA 1700 / 2100 network
are you sure that is compatible?

Thanks for the reply bro. Yeah I['m still in a dilemma of I should switch. I never had any android phones before. That's why I think that xt720 would be a good starting phone for me to try android. but the thing that is holding me back from switching is that xt720 is only runs 2.1 eclair. the phone memory is too low to isntall many apps. I read somewhere that you can use a certain app or hack that let's you install the apps on the memory card, but it also stated that it still uses some part of the phone memory,.
I got bored on this bada os. No customization, very simple and mimimalistic interface.

the memormy may be small. It's not laggy at all with more than 1 widget and multiple apps open (even w/o overclock). And 2.1, alright, but Dexter is working on the 2.2 port and he's gonna throw out a bèta one of these days. So 2.2 is on it's way and if the kexec crack starts to work good, then we could also have newer android versions later this year. So updates are not a problem for now.
To the TS I'd say: throw away that Wave and get yourself the XT720 It's a really good Android-phone and like AllGamer says: not the top of the line, but it sure can keep up and the camera is really good, hardware too and it just does what it does and that's what a phone needs to do IMHO: do what it does.
But indeed, check the MHz to see if it's compatible.

to the TS: since u are geting a new phone please DO NOT settle for anything less than froyo and 512MB ram or you'll be regret. speaking from experience, i own the xt720 and my wife's nexus one runs wayyyy better with the additional ram. the ram really helps when u have many apps running

en0203 said:
to the TS: since u are geting a new phone please DO NOT settle for anything less than froyo and 512MB ram or you'll be regret. speaking from experience, i own the xt720 and my wife's nexus one runs wayyyy better with the additional ram. the ram really helps when u have many apps running
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I have 3 phones - HTC Desire HD, HTC Desire and this xt720. The xt720 (with O.C.1000) is laggiest of all. The response is much slower than the other two. Granted, it's rather unfair to compare the Desire HD with this due to the price. However, the usage experience is very bad.
Put it this way, I listen to music, fine. When a call arrives, it takes 2 seconds to unlock the screen because the screen stalls for that long. After that, I missed the call and have to wait another 2 seconds for the contact list to pop up so that I can call back. I dont have any of the issues with the HTC phones. Context switching is SLOW on this phone and no surprise, that IS the memory (RAM) being so small.

anonaye2 said:
I have 3 phones - HTC Desire HD, HTC Desire and this xt720. The xt720 (with O.C.1000) is laggiest of all. The response is much slower than the other two. Granted, it's rather unfair to compare the Desire HD with this due to the price. However, the usage experience is very bad.
Put it this way, I listen to music, fine. When a call arrives, it takes 2 seconds to unlock the screen because the screen stalls for that long. After that, I missed the call and have to wait another 2 seconds for the contact list to pop up so that I can call back. I dont have any of the issues with the HTC phones. Context switching is SLOW on this phone and no surprise, that IS the memory (RAM) being so small.
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dude! your phone is something seriously wrong. most of the XT720 users don't complaint like this.
I've compared my phone with Nexus One (Running 2.1) and to my surprise, Nexus One is way too sluggish.
Moreover, you're comparing the phone with devices running Android 2.2 which obviously performs better than 2.1 regardless of hardware (just compare two Nexus One running 2.1 and 2.2 respectively) . So, wait till Dextor finished porting android 2.2 and compare again. you'll be surprised.

hmm now I'm confused, half says that xt720 is a good phone, the other says it's sluggish and lags. hmm. I still can't decide. Wave is a good multimedia phone, but I'm not using it that much because I already bought an hdtv and I prefer watching in the bigscreen.

spiderx_mm said:
dude! your phone is something seriously wrong. most of the XT720 users don't complaint like this.
I've compared my phone with Nexus One (Running 2.1) and to my surprise, Nexus One is way too sluggish.
Moreover, you're comparing the phone with devices running Android 2.2 which obviously performs better than 2.1 regardless of hardware (just compare two Nexus One running 2.1 and 2.2 respectively) . So, wait till Dextor finished porting android 2.2 and compare again. you'll be surprised.
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Then, obviously xt720 fails for not getting 2.2 from Motorola. Depite high hopes and expectations from Dextor (thanks and keep up the good work!); no offence but the port and time-line is not guarenteed. It's a risk-factor big or small.
For similar >priced< phone, I simply cannot see any reason to get xt720 instead of the HTC Desire -- already working at 2.2 means more features/ performance out of the box. There is no need to overlock, app2sd, JIT, etc etc.
Surely we all enjoy tuning and optimizing our phones (that's why we're here!), but this is no way to expect any average person to do all that just to make the one product "slighly on par" with the other. We are paying similar price afterall.
The xt720 has better xenon flash/ 8MP camera. But, if I want to take a good photo/video, it'll be coming from a proper camera/camcorder.

anonaye2 said:
For similar >priced< phone, I simply cannot see any reason to get xt720 instead of the HTC Desire
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have you ever though about the radio bands?
not all phones works on all 3G networks
maybe the OP is looking to buy a phone that works for the network he/she is using or planing to use.
that was exactly my case, i switched network and all the phones that i liked, did not work on the network, and the only 2 choices were XT720 or Nexus S

[Q] Noob question - NS right for me?

I have about $500 to buy a new unlocked phone and I'm looking at the Nexus S. Until recently I'd just choose the cheapest phone the phone plan offered, so I'm really overwhelmed with this choice. Any advice is appreciated!
I need:
A fast phone (I HATE waiting on apps to open, waiting for screens to change, etc.)
A camera of some kind
Android OS
Ability to root and (probably) install Cyanogen
Good battery life
I don't need:
Music player
Super wonderful camera
HD whatever (I don't even totally get what that whole deal is lol)
I'd also like fast internet... but I have a 3g phone now and rarely even see it say 3g in the data icon. It doesn't seem to make a difference anyway because it takes a million years to load a web site no matter what. I've had it in two different states with supposed 3g coverage so I know it's available. In short, 4g would be nice but it's not a dealbreaker.
So... should I take the plunge on the Nexus S? Or look at another phone or wait for a new release? I've been looking at all kinds of phones for a couple days and I'm just confused. Thanks!

why not wait until Galaxy S II comes out in Aug/Sept

Your first 4 needs are pretty much standard in any high-end Android phone these days. Battery life is subjective on how you use the phone so it's a bit hard to narrow it down for you in that regard as well.
If you gave a more specific criteria, then maybe we could help you further but so far the Nexus S does fit the bill for what you need (but so do many other phones).

As usual, as soon as I post I find the answer... Nexus Prime coming out later this year. 4g and dual-core processor so it sounds like what I want now basically. I guess I'll have to suffer my chipped up old mytouch 3g snail for a little longer.
Thanks!

Hello,
When I consider your expectations, I can say that "yes Nexus S is right for you"
Because I have Nexus S since 10 days, i can not explain taste of pure Android
so fast, stability and reliable.
Absolutely when the nexus series is released, i will buy it

The Nexus S is a great phone for a variety of reasons. As someone who started as a complete novice and has since been bitten by the Android bug pretty hard, I'll try to give you some pros and cons.
The big "con," at least on first examination, is the hardware. Yeah, there are more powerful phones out there; but don't let specs fool you. I went from a Galaxy S to the Atrix because I was lured in by the dual core processor, gb of RAM, etc. Specs don't tell the whole story. The Nexus S is smoother, faster, and more stable than the Atrix, by FAR. I figured I could solve any problems with the Atrix by running CM7 as I had on my Galaxy S...but ROMs are in short supply for the Atrix. The Nexus S, on the other hand, is pretty much perfect straight out of the box (well, once you set it up to your liking).
The elephant in the room when it comes to choosing a new phone these days is Ice Cream Sandwich. No matter what, when ICS comes out, it's going to take time to make it onto most devices, even through unofficial channels. The Nexus S, on the other hand, will get an official update asap. As someone who also uses Honeycomb (3.2), I can tell you the ICS update is probably going to be fantastic.
So, you can get a phone with superior hardware and then jump through hoops to make it smooth, stable, and fast, or you can get a Nexus S. You'll have a great phone as soon as you power it on, and you'll have ICS as soon as it's available.
I've had a Galaxy S, two Atrix 4Gs, a Nook Color with Gingerbread, a Xoom with 3.0/3.1/3.2, and a Nexus S 4G- I can honestly tell you that nothing is better than pure Google. You will have official updates as soon as they're available, and you'll have those updates incorporated into custom ROMs sooner as a result. Everyone else will be jumping through hoops and dealing with buggy ROMs to get the same features.

I been thinking about picking up a Nexus S 4G but the only thing that's stopping me is fear of it not being dual core. not sure how smooth Icecream sandwich would be on it since it's not a dual core phone and the last thing on my mind would the next Nexus phone coming out... the thing is that there's been a lot of speculation that it's going to come out with a 4.3 inch screen which i don't really like in phones.... I like phones that can actually fit in skinny jeans -.-

Quest for the best qwerty android

Hey Folks,
So a few years ago I had a HTC G1, and loved the rooting game and thus was on this great site quite a bit. Since then I moved on to love blackberrys and currently own a 9900. I love how data and overall efficient BB's are, but thats neither here nor there. I am not here to dispute this, to each his own..
I have possibly considering a return to android (self professed mobile-ADHD here) and differently am thinking about which android is the best phone with a qwerty..
Seems like there are few options out there...
1. Motorola Admiral
-solid phone but not the greatest display and CPU
-no 4G but I love how its sturdy and military grade
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2. HTC G2
-solid follow up to G1 but seems processor is a bit 'outdated'
3. Droid 4
-sounds like the keyboard is real solid here
Any thoughts or opinions? (Just looking for a good natured dialogue here) I am leaning towards the admiral to be honest but wanted to turn to you experts. Perhaps I am over looking another mobile out there.
thanks!

austriker27 said:
Hey Folks,
So a few years ago I had a HTC G1, and loved the rooting game and thus was on this great site quite a bit. Since then I moved on to love blackberrys and currently own a 9900. I love how data and overall efficient BB's are, but thats neither here nor there. I am not here to dispute this, to each his own..
I have possibly considering a return to android (self professed mobile-ADHD here) and differently am thinking about which android is the best phone with a qwerty..
Seems like there are few options out there...
1. Motorola Admiral
-solid phone but not the greatest display and CPU
-no 4G but I love how its sturdy and military grade
2. HTC G2
-solid follow up to G1 but seems processor is a bit 'outdated'
3. Droid 4
-sounds like the keyboard is real solid here
Any thoughts or opinions? (Just looking for a good natured dialogue here) I am leaning towards the admiral to be honest but wanted to turn to you experts. Perhaps I am over looking another mobile out there.
thanks!
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Have you looked at the HTC desire z ?
Beamed from the Dark Side using xda premium.

As a warning before you start: the stronger, "flagship" phones are generally keyboardless (blame the iphone for that). I'm afraid that going for exclusively keyboard phones would probably leave you disadvantaged. I would definitely suggest trying a touchscreen; it's not that terrible to get used to.

The Droid # series have some pretty good keyboards, but you'll have to deal with Motorola's locked down bootloader and slow updates. Despite that the community here has ICS ROMs out already.
What carrier do you plan on going with, are you staying At&t or are you willing to switch?
- You can get a Droid 3 for free with a 2 year contract from many places. Compared with the Droid 4, the Droid 3 has a removable battery, no 4G, only 512MB vs 1GB RAM, and Motorola has promised the Droid 4 ICS.

enigmaamit said:
Have you looked at the HTC desire z ?
Beamed from the Dark Side using xda premium.
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That is the same as the G2. So yea I have; it was the phone I was looking at last summer but now it seems its just a tad outdated..
spunker88 said:
The Droid # series have some pretty good keyboards, but you'll have to deal with Motorola's locked down bootloader and slow updates. Despite that the community here has ICS ROMs out already.
What carrier do you plan on going with, are you staying At&t or are you willing to switch?
- You can get a Droid 3 for free with a 2 year contract from many places. Compared with the Droid 4, the Droid 3 has a removable battery, no 4G, only 512MB vs 1GB RAM, and Motorola has promised the Droid 4 ICS.
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Also I do kind of prefer HTC over motorola as it seems their phones are more open(ish) and I also think their build quality is more solid/more professional and less consumery. (if that makes sense lol)
I think I would probably want to stick with att perhaps but am willing to test the waters. I was thinking about giving sprint a test run with the admiral (lame its locked to their network).
I found another contendor! The HTC MyTouch Slide 4G. Seems like a pretty great keyboard, dual core processors and made by HTC. Also I know its a small point but I like the optical scroll-pad on it (like the G1 scroll ball or BB pad).
Thanks for the input people!
Think its time for some photos to illustrate this thread..

thebobp said:
As a warning before you start: the stronger, "flagship" phones are generally keyboardless (blame the iphone for that). I'm afraid that going for exclusively keyboard phones would probably leave you disadvantaged. I would definitely suggest trying a touchscreen; it's not that terrible to get used to.
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Yea I realize that, its a bit unfortunate that seems all the companies are obsessed with big screens and no keyboards for their flagships. I think if one of the big ones would just make a fantastic phone with the qwerty they would have a real winner.. If only if only.. THanks for the warning though; I have tried the on screen keyboards and with the amount of emailing I do I just cant compromise on that just call me ignorant I guess

austriker27 said:
Also I do kind of prefer HTC over motorola as it seems their phones are more open(ish) and I also think their build quality is more solid/more professional and less consumery. (if that makes sense lol)
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I'll agree with you on that one, Motorola has become very locked down. I and many others troll their Facebook page asking them to unlock bootloaders like they promised. I would say Motorola's hardware is professional feeling, my Droid 3 feels nice and heavy and has a metal bezel around the screen. Never used HTC hardware so I can't tell the difference. There is a GSM version of the Droid 3 supposedly heading to At&t soon.
http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/general/gsm-droid-3-passes-fcc-muster-heads-to-att-r493

I have a xperia pro. Pretty good pictures, good sound quality, comfortable keyboard. Recommended. I got mine for 150£ (used)

I can affirm the build quality and responsiveness of the droid keyboards. I have the droid 3 and have had no problems with it. My previous phone was the incredible and I preferred touch only phones. Now I'm not sure I can go back.
Edit: I'd also like to add that I do like the responsiveness of HTC software. It blows Motorola out of the water. My droid 3 runs choppy if I'm using stock. The incredible was zippy and smooth by comparison.

SE Xperia Pro

looks good. dang I did not realize it was running android. assumed it was some crazy SE OS

G2 Desire Z
Just wanted to add some thoughts on this topic as I believe keyboard phones are grossly under-represented throughout most U.S. carriers.
The G2 is in my opinion ( after owning over 24 different Android devices) is the most capable and customizable qwerty phone out there. Once you have rooted it, put a solid ROM on it and overclocked it ( I have mine at 1.5Ghz no issues) you have one of the best devices out period. I cannot get used to on screen keyboards and I know I am not the only one so lets hope they make a G3.
G2:
Great screen
Great Battery life
4G
Keyboard
Boot-loader unlocked
Tons of ROMS
Good call quality
Overclockable CPU

A.I Keyboard definitely the best keyboard out there.

Hermetics said:
Just wanted to add some thoughts on this topic as I believe keyboard phones are grossly under-represented throughout most U.S. carriers.
The G2 is in my opinion ( after owning over 24 different Android devices) is the most capable and customizable qwerty phone out there. Once you have rooted it, put a solid ROM on it and overclocked it ( I have mine at 1.5Ghz no issues) you have one of the best devices out period. I cannot get used to on screen keyboards and I know I am not the only one so lets hope they make a G3.
G2:
Great screen
Great Battery life
4G
Keyboard
Boot-loader unlocked
Tons of ROMS
Good call quality
Overclockable CPU
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Ooohhh man, you mentioned overclocking and I actually looked at some G2's on ebay tonight. Oh so tempting. If I remember right, the CPU and RAM are just some of the lacking categories (which is from it being released 'awhile ago now').. What do you think comparing it to a droid 4 or mytouch 4g slide? Those are 3 phones in contention right now for me, as I look to re-enter the android qwerty world..

i think the concept of taking an input mechanism that was designed for 10 fingers and two hands and minimizing it into a tiny mush is really silly, and outdated - even worse with real buttons instead of software keys. why would anyone still buy that? on smartphones you enjoy things like swype, 8pen, messageease, snapkeys, beeraider, etc. many more will crop up and re-define one/two-finger typing on smaller devices, in a year or two the mere thought of tapping out texts with these silly mini-keyboards will probably sound ridiculous to us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuP6AQPRpUg

molesarecoming said:
i think the concept of taking an input mechanism that was designed for 10 fingers and two hands and minimizing it into a tiny mush is really silly, and outdated - even worse with real buttons instead of software keys. why would anyone still buy that? on smartphones you enjoy things like swype, 8pen, messageease, snapkeys, beeraider, etc. many more will crop up and re-define one/two-finger typing on smaller devices, in a year or two the mere thought of tapping out texts with these silly mini-keyboards will probably sound ridiculous to us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuP6AQPRpUg
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Hardware keyboards provide better feedback than software keyboards. Haptic feedback is nowhere near as good as feeling the physical keys themselves. For regular texting Swype is just as fast if not faster than a real keyboard.
But if you like to use a terminal, dos emulator, or anything that doesn't use many real works and a lot of symbols a physical keyboard is much better, plus you don't lose the space on your screen.

i think experia pro is best , big button, simple but effective

spunker88 said:
Hardware keyboards provide better feedback than software keyboards. Haptic feedback is nowhere near as good as feeling the physical keys themselves. For regular texting Swype is just as fast if not faster than a real keyboard.
But if you like to use a terminal, dos emulator, or anything that doesn't use many real works and a lot of symbols a physical keyboard is much better, plus you don't lose the space on your screen.
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sure, just sayin' - i run a webserver aswell and do alot of shell hacking, but i'd probably still prefer a bluetooth pad than sort of crippling the device with a fixed miniature 10-finger keyboard. but i just mentioned it in case someone didn't know, i've been using the android on-screen keyboard for a long time, way too long, unaware that there's something different.

Droid vs Mytouch 4g vs G2
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Ooohhh man, you mentioned overclocking and I actually looked at some G2's on ebay tonight. Oh so tempting. If I remember right, the CPU and RAM are just some of the lacking categories (which is from it being released 'awhile ago now').. What do you think comparing it to a droid 4 or mytouch 4g slide? Those are 3 phones in contention right now for me, as I look to re-enter the android qwerty world..
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Good points! Let me see if I can address some of the other options and why I don't think they are as good.
First off i do like the Droid line of phones and think they can be a real alternative to the G2. I am not sure that there are as many ROM's for the Droid line but all you need are a few good ones to make it worth it. The mytouch 4g i owned but felt its keyboard was too flush to be of real use.
An important fact to consider is that if you by a Droid from Verizon it is locked on that carrier and there is currently no other carrier in the U.S. to switch your phone over to and still have 4G working. With T-mobile you can use your phone over seas no issues but would also not have 4g if I wanted to use it on AT&T.

Try the Verizon Samsung Stratosphere which is one best qwerty keypad smart phone. It has sliding full QWERTY keyboard and 4G LTE connectivity.

How does Jellybean run on the Nexus S

Due to unfortunate circumstances I have had to let my Note go recently. I have a blackberry in use right now. I thought I could use it until I was able to save to buy a proper phone but I do not think I could wait that long!!! Every time I look at it, I want to throw up. It is TERRIBLE!!!
SO I ordered a nice used Nexus S i9020a ATnT version on ebay (great rom support!!!). I was just wondering, as its a single core device with "just" 512mb ram, does it perform satisfactorily for general use and gaming etc on JB?
Thanks guys.

running smooth on my NS4G.
maybe you can flash CM9

CptAwesomeTT said:
Due to unfortunate circumstances I have had to let my Note go recently. I have a blackberry in use right now. I thought I could use it until I was able to save to buy a proper phone but I do not think I could wait that long!!! Every time I look at it, I want to throw up. It is TERRIBLE!!!
SO I ordered a nice used Nexus S i9020a ATnT version on ebay (great rom support!!!). I was just wondering, as its a single core device with "just" 512mb ram, does it perform satisfactorily for general use and gaming etc on JB?
Thanks guys.
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You will be satisfied as long as you are not expecting it to run like some supersonic dual core device. Keep in mind it is old technology and JB drives the phone to about its max but their is some wonderful JB roms and kernels out there for the Nexus S.

I wouldn't recommended it for gaming but its a good daily driver. Jellybean really makes it worth it....

Runs great on my NS4G.
I use CodeNameAndroid's ROM with the latest stable AIR kernel installed from CWM Recovery. Even just added the 4.2 Google Apps earlier and it runs great. SavagedZen/SIO combo seem to be the smoothest for me. I can get better battery life with different combos, but not worth it to deal with micro-delays in input for me. I'm a little :silly: I know.
I don't use my phone for gaming other than simple "phone style" games anyways, so no comment there.
Video playback, and music with screen off works great.
UI is super smooth and responsive.
I have it clocked to 200 Mhz to 1.2 Ghz and slightly undervolted. It is super stable.
It gets about 2-3 hours straight of screen on while browsing the net via Wi-Fi at home (someone in my family is always on it), but will last about 12 hours when used normally. I probably get 30 minutes to an hour of talk time a day, check my email every couple hours, use the navigation once or twice, and always have GPS, Data, and 4G on (Sprints 3G is slow here).
If I turn off all data and use it strictly as a phone while out and about it lasts a long time. Probably a day and a half.
Plus it has had countless ROM's flashed and is still kicking, sometimes dozens in a single night... LMAO. I recently did something so it doesn't transfer files over USB anymore though, trying to figure that out right now.

[ROM] [NS4G] [AOSP] 4.1.2-JZO54K- Updated 10/13/12
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1811491
So far, that is the best ROM for me. Very fast and very 'compatible'.

wow thank you guys for your feedback. Greatly appreciated. Looking forward to receiving my second Nexus device.
I have nothing but great experiences with my Nexus 1 a couple years back.
If this experience is as good as I think it would be, I might go back to a pure Android device, rather than an Android powered one!

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[ROM] [NS4G] [AOSP] 4.1.2-JZO54K- Updated 10/13/12
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1811491
So far, that is the best ROM for me. Very fast and very 'compatible'.
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Umm didn't you say you bought the at&t version? I'm new to the nexus s line but I thought the 4g sprint version ROMs only work for that phone.
Just make sure you flash the right version ROM/kernel for your phone.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

I think the Note is a great tablet phone. If you had installed SlimBean on your Note you would have been happy. If you don't want to be disappointed with the Nexus S, I suggest SlimBean.

Kernel!
I went through several JB ROMs and kernels on my NS (Stock, CM10, Slim, Trinity, Matr1x) and finally settled on a combo of AOKP JB M1, Marmite 6.7.9 and smartassV2. I also disabled all frivolous animations and transitions. The phone is now a rocket!
I flashed the 4.2 Gapps and they all work fine too, except for Google Now, which can't seem to access my location service.
Don't play hard core games on this thing. It's good for the occasional Angry Birds or Fruit Ninja, but that's it.
It's a great phone and so is your decision to buy it based on community support!
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Aalaap.

help me
I have nexus s i9020A, it is AT&T
android version 2.3.4
how can i get unlocked and update?
u guys take care of my f.king phone. plss help.

have a look at this guide -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1007782 :cyclops:
and give the Q&A Section a go -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=882815
rgds sah

Beautifully IMO. The ROMs being developed have given me full use of my phone and have actually kept me from spending the coin on upgrading again.

Just an FYI
I recently flashed BlackBean6.0 and Matr1x kernel and had lots of weird problems. I flashed to AIRr2 stable kernel and it still had a bunch of freezes and random restarts, now my device is softbricked
Stay away from that combo

The bottom line and MOST significant thing here is that nexus S is now easily the fastest single core android phone. Phones with 768MB ram will have an edge in gaming but with ICS or GB they are not going to have the same system wide speed.

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The bottom line and MOST significant thing here is that nexus S is now easily the fastest single core android phone. Phones with 768MB ram will have an edge in gaming but with ICS or GB they are not going to have the same system wide speed.
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Very true, most of my friends have dual core phones with giant screens and 1GB of RAM... They all compliment my phone a lot everytime someone ends up using it for anything. They can't even tell it has half (literally) of the horsepower in all areas. It still has one of the best looking screens by far also. I can't stand Motorola or HTC screens (haven't seen the newest HTC phones though) with that greyish polarization you get when you tilt it at all... Yuck.
And some say it's boring, but I love the all black, mostly unadorned look with the slight curve to it. The curve makes it nicer in my pocket on my face and in my hand. I don't want a perfect brick. I don't want any bigger either, 4" is perfect for me. I have big hands and can JUST barely use it with one hand. And I agree with Apple on ONE THING... I feel a mobile device that requires two hands for anything more than games IS STUPID.
I wish they made an NS4G with Nexus 4 or even Galaxy Nexus specs, and a rubberized back. I would snatch it up in a heartbeat.

JB 4.1.2 is working great on my i9020a! With CM10 and Marmite 7.1.2, it's a happy machine. I kind of want a Nexus 4, but with the huge demand and low stock, I'm still happy using my old Nexus S.