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Help me decide-HTC HD2 Vs iPhone 3GS

Hi all,I am a new member here but I have been reading these forums for a few weeks now.
I want to replace my Nokia N73 with a HD2 or an iPhone 3GS.I am trying to decide which one would be better for me,but I can't.Firstly let me say that I never had a smartphone before,so I don't have any experience with WinMo but I have used an iPhone 2G a couple of times(for a few minutes,so don't know much about it's OS).
The past weeks I have read many reviews and watched several videos of these 2 phones.One thing that bothers me is all these people who claim that WinMo is a bad OS.On the other hand,everyone is saying how great iPhone's OS is.Almost everyone has an iPhone these days and I don't like that at all.I kinda prefer to get the HD2,as it has better hardware and it's newer,but I'm skeptical about it's OS,it's numerous bugs,features and screen response compared to the iPhone.
I want from my phone to do everything.Browsing,music,GPS,apps etc etc.I would like to hear some thoughts,especially from people who have used both phones.I apologize for the long post.Thanks in advance.

Welcome to forums
You came to an HTC devices only forum to ask this
Go for Leo!!!

orb3000 said:
Welcome to forums
You came to an HTC devices only forum to ask this
Go for Leo!!!
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I believe that some of you owned/own an iPhone and can make a comparison.As I said,I prefer the HD2,but there are a few issues with it holding me back.

I have played enough with an iphone to make my statement, and appart from that the support XDA gives to HTC devices is a point to consider

I've had the HD2 for a couple days and must say it's a good phone and has better specs, but doesnt come near the Iphone 3GS. WinMo just sucks and is always been buggy, Iphone OS is much faster, smoother and user friendly. For browsing, music, apps (there are tons of apps for the Iphone) i would definitely choose the Iphone.

Yups Go for the Leo (HD2)
You can do more with windows mobile ..
Like: Program you own stuff, install more app's then there are for the iphone..
uhh,, so go one!
You know the Stone Vs Iphone ?
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Get the HD2 & WM & have fun on XDA

These are my main concerns about the HD2;
1.outgoing sms bug
2.alarm bug (I can't believe that on such an expensive device the alarm is not working properly)
3.Screen.It looks responsive on the review vids,but is it as good as it is on the iPhone?
4.Buggy OS(according to a lot of people)
5.Ugly and not touch friendly Windows interface
6.size
7.Less apps(most of the are not free too).
8.Battery life
I believe that most of these issues can be fixed by the devs here,so I really want to give the HD2 a try,but I am not 100% sure yet..

Go for the HD2 if you don't mind that it is a huge phone but of course the + is that it has a HUGE screen that displays better than the Iphone all of the imperfections will be dealt with here in xda in time .And another thing the bugs can be removed but the screen of the Iphone will stay small (of course if you like smaller devices it's the opposite for you) but believe me when when you start browsing the internet or etc. you gonna wish you've gone for the bigger screen and yes the 1ghz processor is not just for show and don't worry about the apps i haven's seen so much Iphone programs that don't have an equivalent in WM (I'm speaking of course about the important ones).I was in your position 7 months ago when I was doubting if I should go for the Iphone or the Touch HD and to this day I'm sure I made the right choice with my HD despite the bugs and the headaches that it gives me

HD2, tried one in the O2 store and gotta say it is a very nice phone, screen is responsive, multitouch is smooth, and the sense ui comes in very handy with facebook and twitter.

N.Creep said:
Yups Go for the Leo (HD2)
You can do more with windows mobile ..
Like: Program you own stuff, install more app's then there are for the iphone..
uhh,, so go one!
You know the Stone Vs Iphone ?
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It has MMS now...
But anyways, go for the HD2. You're a member here, so if you ever need help you can always come here.

Iphone 3Gs for sure.
Better outa the box.
Go try both, your goin to like the Iphone.
Better apps. Support that is just as good as XDA.
Much more stable.

The HD2 is a beast of a machine...but the os is a big let down..I have a Topaz running Sense 2.5 and a 3GS.
What HTC have done to WM 6.5 is amazing... otherwise if you have to interact with 6.5 then your back years compared to the 3GS OS,
Basically the iphone does most things well, and the App Store is what really sells it, everything runs smooth and beautiful. Games look amazing (i.e New Avatar game), a lot of really useful apps....after using the iphone you dont really want to go back to windows....
The HD2, of what little I have used, is too sophisticated for the crap OS that comes on it...barring HTCs Sense. The phone is light years ahead of its OS, and what the phone really shows is how slow Microsoft development has been compared to hardware.
I reminds you of the days when a new piece of software use to come and you had to beef your hardware up....but only opposite,
Hats off to HTC , a big up yours to Microsoft for not pulling thier finger out....(and we know they can, just compare Bing on WM to the one on the iphone)
HD2, the most advanced, gorgeous phone available, and I'm sure it will stand the test of time much longer than any other phone....I'm sure it will run WM7 like trooper...if it ever comes out.
I would go for the HD2... the 3GS is a good phone ...(Jailbroken of course...then watch it multitask)
Love HTC (only thing ....they just keep ****ing up on the drivers)....hate WM6.5

Just thought I'd put my two penneth worth in as I'm having a similar dilemma.
Some of you will be aware that I have the iphone 3G, and due an upgrade. I have been considering the HD2 and the iphone 3GS. I am swaying towards the HD2, and here's why.
The iphone is an amazing phone, there's no doubting it. It does everything it says on the tin, and does it flawlessly 99% of the time. Occasionally while inputting text it can stall/stutter. The reason for not upgrading to the 3GS is that I have reached the limits of the iphone and now looking for something new, and something which I can tweak and play about with. I have tried jailbreaking the iphone but it just became slow and buggy and so set it back to factory settings.
I have been sceptical of other touchscreens as none I have tried come anywhere close to the iphones, they just don't feel right and are not as smooth as the iphone's. That was until I had a quick go on the HD2 in store. If anything the HD2's is more sensitive that the iphone's. Coming from an iphone I can imagine that it would take some getting used to, but there are programs to desensitise it anyway if you wish. That's the thing I like about the idea of WinMO phones, if you don't like something then change it.
With regards to the outdated OS on the HD2 it depends how deep you want to go into it. If you're going to be using it similar to the iphone then you won't even see the windows part of the software, HTC have done a great job of masking it and so for most tasks you'll be using HTC's interface, which is great. It's only till you start tweaking the phone (which you can't do on the iphone by the way) that you'll start coming across the windows software. Windows 7 isn't due to come out till the end of 2010 from what HTC tell me, but when it does the buzz at the moment says it's going to be right up there with the best OS's
A lot of the bugs have been worked out on the HD2 (like the SMS problem), but any bugs that are still there will be sorted out in time I'm sure. The only negatives I had about the HD2 when using it instore were that it doesn't feel as comfortable in the hand as the iphone, partly due to the size, and partly becasue the edges are a little more squared off. The other thing is the camera lens has pretty sharp edges, which is a pretty poor effort by HTC imo
Just to throw a spanner in the works, I came across another phone due for release in January, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/02/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-announced-we-go-hands-on/
The screen size on this is halfway between the iphone and HD2. It is an android phone, and although I don't know much about them, I gather that it will be totally customisable, and can be tweaked around with. Therefore it shouldn't have the limitations of the iphone. I don't know if you'll be able to play about with it as much as WinMo phones though, maybe someone else on here can answer that?
What phone company are you with? I'm with O2 and they offer a 14 day trial period with phones, ie you take out a contract, if you don't like it you can return it within 14 days. I think I'm going to wait for the X10 and have a play with that before making my mind up. If I don't like it I'm going to go with the HD2.
If you're really patient you could always wait for the next iphone (they usually release something new every summer), but you will have Apples restrictions on them :-/

Where are all of you iPhone lovers coming from? and why are you here?
This is an HTC-based device forum. I don't go on iPhone forums to comment. Seriously, I don't understand. Not that you don't have every right to like it, but perhaps if you like iPhone so much better you shouldn't be on a WinMo/Android forum. Instead, maybe you should get an iPhone and go to iPhone forums.

Are you guys not considering an Android phone at all?

wywywywy said:
Are you guys not considering an Android phone at all?
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I am, hence me saying I'm waiting to try the Xperia X10

These are my main concerns about the HD2;
A:1.outgoing sms bug
Q: Rom updating ?
A2.alarm bug (I can't believe that on such an expensive device the alarm is not working properly)
Q: Another Rom..
A3.Screen.It looks responsive on the review vids,but is it as good as it is on the iPhone?
Q: Got no answer for that question
A4.Buggy OS(according to a lot of people)
Q: Rom updating !(there is a complete forum on xda : http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534
A:5.Ugly and not touch friendly Windows interface
Q: Rom updating!
A:6.size
Q: uh..... xD
A:7.Less apps(most of the are not free too).
Q: www.google.com http://www.freewarepocketpc.net http://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&source=hp&q=freeware+cab&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=&aq=f&oq=freeware+cab&fp=51711868826908ab
More **** you ever wish!
A:8.Battery life
Q: I think there are energy roms.. search for it on xda dev..
... xD

wywywywy said:
Are you guys not considering an Android phone at all?
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I would if there were actually android phones available with US 3G that didn't suck balls (like the Hero, Magic, Dream ... which were nice tech 2 years ago but I can't stand HTC still putting out MSM 7xxx crap phones!)

I can't even believe I'm reading what I'm reading. How can you even compare the iphone 3g to the HD 2? You can't even compare the iphone to the HD much less the HD 2. The only factor I can think of that needs consideration is price...but if that's not a factor than obviously get the HD 2.
Good luck.

I'm torn between WM and Android devices

I figure this is the best place to ask for advice.
I fell in love with HTC/keyboard phones when I got an unlocked mda (i'm on att) a few years back. They keyboard and ruggedness of the phones (they've outlasted a few drops here and there) had won me over, especially after using an n95 briefly a few years ago. I got an 8525, and now I'm on a tilt (8925). I've always upgraded roms and liked trying new things, so I tried something new about a week ago.
I went the Android (ion) on sd card route, and loved it (but tried to go nand and it never worked correctly). My battery seems to last forever now (where a week ago, before I started using android, my battery was dying at around 6 pm), the speed of everything (the phone dialer seems to be running at light speed compared to winmo) and the touchscreen responds so much better. Even with the occasional freeze and crashes, I haven't gone back to winmo (except on the occasional restart and re-running haret)
It's time for a phone upgrade. I (briefly) had a tp2, but it still felt slow in winmo 6.5. And seeing how android isn't as well developed on it as it is on the kaiser, I'm looking at other options.
I'd like to keep att 3g, and have native android, AND a hardware keyboard. Does this exist? If i gave up a keyboard (though i don't really want to since I text a bit and surf the web a bit as well), are the newer touchscreens good/fast enough? I was looking at the Hero, and the ion/magic (which seem to be almost the same,though I like the price of the ion/magic), but maybe you guys can help me out? I have to go the Ebay route, seeing as how I'm stuck on att for another year (long story short, gave upgrade to family member, who has since screwed me on their end of the bargain) so I guess that's another thing to keep in mind. Help?

Depending on how much you want to spend will Ddepend on your options right now the only official android device for att with a keyboard is the backup nd I personally think it is horrible. You could spend the $529 and get an att Nexus One, which is only touch screen but is fast enough to handle input well. Plus with the many touchscreen keyboards out now it is pretty easy to transition to touchscreen. I just did this whole post using the swype keyboard and it is pretty fast and accurate. if you can hold off then there are gonna be many new handsets comming. Plus flashing new roms for android is highly addictive lol.

I just got the htc hd2 . the device is fantastic. the software blows donkey d....
In my opinion windows mobile 6.5 feels undeveloped . I know i probably havent figured it all out yet but its what i see so far.
So here I sit trying to make the best of this and hoping someone ports android over to the hd2.
thats my two cents.

If you want Android, then the Nexus is Awesome, Fast, Slim, Cool, etc. Try one out at a store to see if it fit's

i was almost ready to switch then i bought an lg expo. it is so sweet and mega fast.

Trust me, on a screen the size of 3.5+, you can type faster on a touchscreen than on a hardware keyboard

Telus Milestone is your best bet. And yes, you will have to buy it from ebay or some unofficial store.

I was a big winmo fan but they are dragging in the upgrade department.
6.5 was a minimal upgrade at best and 7 is limited on the multi-tasking front.
My son has a Motorola Droid and I really like the OS.
I'm headed for a Xperia X10 with a snapdragon processor but only after it comes to the US to support our 3G band.
That could be tomorrow or a year from now knowing SE's inability to get a device to market on time.

I'd really like to go with the nexus with it's seemingly ginormous screen (though everything has a ginormous screen compared to my tilt 1), but the $560 price tag (after taxes on the site) is quite a bit much to stomach.
I might look at the milestone, but I'm a little weary of motorola's quality, the diminutive size of the keyboard, and @ their price i'd rather stick to a touch screen only telus hero or magic.
Maybe I just need to win the lottery or knock over a bank...

crackness said:
I'd really like to go with the nexus with it's seemingly ginormous screen (though everything has a ginormous screen compared to my tilt 1), but the $560 price tag (after taxes on the site) is quite a bit much to stomach.
I might look at the milestone, but I'm a little weary of motorola's quality, the diminutive size of the keyboard, and @ their price i'd rather stick to a touch screen only telus hero or magic.
Maybe I just need to win the lottery or knock over a bank...
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I'd definitely go with the Nexus (If funds can afford), you think that it is too much now, but it is worth it when you get it (or so I've been told by... everyone).
I would sell my soul for a Nexus One, but I already sold it to Google in exchange for an extra 70mb in Gmail, should've waited

Looks like I'm getting either a HTC Desire or a X10 as wm & ms are starting to annoy me. Android just looks and feels so much better

Fallen Spartan said:
Looks like I'm getting either a HTC Desire or a X10 as wm & ms are starting to annoy me. Android just looks and feels so much better
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I switched from longtime wm user to android and have not looked back. It is stable, fast, smooth, cool and fun Good luck

WM for me
I am quite happy with WM6.5.3 on my Rhodium, it does all my business and personal stuff just as I like
But if for some reason I did want to switch from WM definitely 100% sure I´ll look into Android as my first choice

orb3000 said:
I am quite happy with WM6.5.3 on my Rhodium, it does all my business and personal stuff just as I like
But if for some reason I did want to switch from WM definitely 100% sure I´ll look into Android as my first choice
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Well, it's either that or iPhone OS/WebOS and we know which website doesn't support those

I've broken down and done it. Tally up one more order for a Google Nexus One with AT&T 3g bands. Now to wait impatiently until it comes in

crackness said:
I've broken down and done it. Tally up one more order for a Google Nexus One with AT&T 3g bands. Now to wait impatiently until it comes in
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If for some reason that only your god/non-existent being knows the reason why, you do not like the phone.... I'm ready for it

JAguirre1231 said:
Well, it's either that or iPhone OS/WebOS and we know which website doesn't support those
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Even if those were supported in XDA my choice wouldn´t change

From what I heard, AT&T's Backflip is ok. It's running Android as well as having a keyboard. The thing is that it's a Motorola. I believe this is Motorola's 2nd Android phone besides the Motorola Cliq (correct me if I'm wrong)

Kid Poker said:
From what I heard, AT&T's Backflip is ok. It's running Android as well as having a keyboard. The thing is that it's a Motorola. I believe this is Motorola's 2nd Android phone besides the Motorola Cliq (correct me if I'm wrong)
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Then you heard wrong. Not only is the phone running the second worst layer of ui for Android (it runs MotoBlur, the worst is TouchWiz), it does not use Google Search, it can't use apps outside of the market, it's made by Motorola, and it has the weirdest design of a phone I've ever seen.
And I'm pretty sure it is Motorola's 3 or 4, not sure if the Devour came out before it (I know the Droid and Cliq did though).

Crackness, you sound exactly like me when it comes to looking for a phone. I am on AT&T so I want to keep that, I want speed and the hardware keyboard is a must for me, well I have a solution for you : Motorola Backflip
Yes the design is odd, but truthfully once you hold it in your hands, it actually does make sense. True the Backflip is on Android 1.5 because of the MotorBlur but they are coming out with an update soon. Otherwise the phone is amazing. Fast and keyboard is great. Trust me, it is definitely something you should look at.

How Happy are you with the XT720? NEED TO KNOW TODAY

I just signed up for WIND here in canada and they have ****ty phones. I really was gonna go for the Galaxy S but not gonna happen since i went WIND. I been using a BB 9700 and am very happy with it but i wanted to to switch to the robot for a while now.
So my only option for now is to go BB or go robot. The XT720 got mixed reviews and no 2.2 update really making me have second thoughts. The under powered processor is another let down but i hear you can overclock it to 1GHz? but how bad is that on the battery life (i would hate to charge it daily). the reviews said its slow and under powered but i need to know what you guys think.
I know it will never be a galaxy but can it come close with the hacks and overclocking etc?
Do you think we will get 2.2 unofficially from the Korean update?
PS i had a omnia 2 before the BB and if this is as sluggish as the O2 then forget it.

1. XT720 will not get official 2.2 update. Motoroi (Korean XT720) already got the update on Christmas Eve and developers are trying to port it to other XT720 phones, but they're still having some issues with proximity sensor, gravity sensor and touch sensitive button LED lights. 3G connection is also still not working.
2. Even in 2.1 update 1, we can overclock the phone (up to 1.2 GHz), install App2SD to move your apps to SD card and have some tweaks to make the phone running a lot better than original stock.
3. Unfortunately, you'll have to charge your phone daily (same as other touch-screen phones larger than 3.5" screen). My best record is 40 hours continuously running without charging. can't go over that.
4. After a few tweaks, the phone is better than Nexus One (according to the benchmarks also). But the HD video recording sucks. (HDMI output is also just for show. can't get it to work nicely). 8MP camera is just on per with other 5MP cameras. Xenon Flash rocks when it's dark, but it kills you with the lagging time and battery life.
Apart from the things mentioned in 4, I love my phone. I've been using this for 6 months already and still thinking to keep it for at least another 6 months before getting a new one even I can't get 2.2 update on the phone. (Throw that BB away. It's Stone Age's phone).
Hope you get your answer. pls feel free to ask anything u want to know.

Love it. Although my previous phone was a WinMo phone, so anything better will seem like heaven.
@spiderx_mm's points are all true, however it's not that much of a big deal for me. I guess I'll root mine eventually, but only to get rid of stock apps I do not use to get me some space.

well my main concern is the lag, if we can make the lag go away altogether i can see myself using the phone. Using a 3rd party app to get apps on the SD card is no big deal as long as it works for any/all apps. Hopefully users can convince Moto to get of there ass and support there devices so we get a official 2.2 update, that way we get some major speed increase, flash and apps on SD officially.
Coming from a O2 which i had to tweak the hell out of and still have slow response crashes and reboots, it start to get annoying and i don't want on that boat again. I ended up having to disable everything just so i can use it regularly. This is something i never had to do with the BB and is 1000x better then winmo so i really hope thats not a issue with this phone due to the low RAM.
I dumped the O2 and went BB was coz of the lack of RAM no matter what i did i could not get more then 2 apps working or they just started randomly closing on me.
1.) If clocked to 1GHz dose the phone heat up?
2.) How much RAM do you have after 2-3 days of usage without a reboot or it dieing?
3.) Is it sluggish at all after the overclock? i can see it lag a bit, but can't deal with it crashing (Samsung Omnia 2)?
4.) What about if you add a live wallpaper and some cool apps that are resource hungry? (just wanna know how much it can handle)
5.) How is browsing websites on the phone? dose it start to hang the phone lag/crash?
On a regular day i wanna be able to do the following at the same time; surf the web while listing to music, be on MSN and taking calls/SMS/emailsand facebook/twitter and youtube etc. This is what i do with my BB always have MSN running and music playing and usually have the browser open and emails coming in etc check facebook go on youtube links etc I use the BB to the max and got pretty used to it and can't go back to using 2 apps at a time like i had to with the O2.
Even if i can be browsing the web and listing to music and be on MSN and take calls/sms/emails without it hanging, lagging. I could try to live with it, even the BB lags a bit but maybe like 20seconds or so very rarely i have to do a battery pull. But that was a daily thing with the O2.
With the O2 i could not listen to music and surf the web at the same time, if i had HTC Sense running forget even running the browser without getting the low memory message and this is with a stripped down light ROM. I really don't wanna be on that train REALLY REALLY DONT.
As you can see how much i have suffered coz of winmo and hoping this phone is better.

Dude!...
You'll not believe this, but this little toy from Motorora beats the Galaxy S, yes you heard me right, and no, i'm not joking.
If you go over to the I9000 section of the forum, you know Galaxy S is like bread & water, but when you put the 2 together, it beats the SGS hands on 2.1 eclair.
it has got App2SD or App2Card, it can be safely OC to 1 Ghz, stock is 720 Mhz
the screen is smoooooooooth sailing, not laggy like the SGS, GPS is perfect!
SGS GPS works, but it can be better
XT720 battery last a day+ on a single charge even when OCed
8 MP camera, dedicated camera buttons
HDMI output man! HDMI! not even the SGS has that.
you can throw in a 16 GB or 32 GB microSD, it comes out of the box with a 8 GB microSD
3G is really fast on Wind Mobile
Tons of hacks, all well brewed to perfection.
the machine is rock solid and stable... unlike the SGS
Everyone at work were impressed with the XT720 demo, they were not as impressed when the SGS were demoed, due the minor lags.
I was originally in FIDO, but the $40 plan was too sweet to pass over.
You'll not go wrong with the XT720
your next best bet if you really don't pick this one up, are the:
Tmobile Nexus S i9020
Tmobile Galaxy S Vibrant SGH-T959
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jebise101 said:
I just signed up for WIND here in canada and they have ****ty phones. I really was gonna go for the Galaxy S but not gonna happen since i went WIND. I been using a BB 9700 and am very happy with it but i wanted to to switch to the robot for a while now.
So my only option for now is to go BB or go robot. The XT720 got mixed reviews and no 2.2 update really making me have second thoughts. The under powered processor is another let down but i hear you can overclock it to 1GHz? but how bad is that on the battery life (i would hate to charge it daily). the reviews said its slow and under powered but i need to know what you guys think.
I know it will never be a galaxy but can it come close with the hacks and overclocking etc?
Do you think we will get 2.2 unofficially from the Korean update?
PS i had a omnia 2 before the BB and if this is as sluggish as the O2 then forget it.
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Once custom ROMs (obviously, not a custom kernel) get released on the XT702 like on the international Milestone, you won't even need to overclock it for good speeds and lag-free GUI. Even the Droid 2 with its 1GHz OMAP chip can lag with the stock ROM.
The Galaxy S would have been the best phone ever made if Samsung had used a traditional RGB subpixel system instead of terrible pentile matrix (missing 33% subpixels, awfully inaccurate colors). IF you can live with the Galaxy S' pentile matrix display (and that is a big IF) while reading small text, then consider the T-Mobile version mentioned by AllGamer.

i can play movie even mkv 480p smooth without lag..hd games also superb...:

my same fun & joyful experience as khalpowers

khalpowers said:
u proof me wrong dude!..here my 7 home screen...
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Your phone isn't smooth in either of your videos (Maybe just a TINY bit in the MIUI transitions video). That's my major problem with the XT720. I've used my sister's Galaxy S and it's nearly as smooth as an iPhone 4. I would only recommend the XT720 to someone who does not mind that you cannot customize the ROM. Angry Birds doesn't even run at full speed compared to the one on my old iPod Touch.

I ended up getting the nokia 5230 and giving it to my dad, will be getting the SGS for myself. The 2.2 upgrade was a total let down plus no custom ROM's or tweaks kida pushed me off and i never like Moto . SGS has its problems but i think i can live with that because of 2.2 and also up coming 2.3.
just finding that custom ROM is all i will need, if the XT can be OC'ed then maybe the SGS can also. Why would you guys recommend the tmobile version versus the bell version? are they not the same thing minus the antenna's and design?
Getting the Nexus S android 2.3 ported to the SGS was a huge factor for me, as that just says to me once we get this port perfected then anything google releases for the Nexus S can easily be ported to the SGS and no stupid Samsung bloatware. I would only get the Nexus S because of android 2.3 (its gonna come for the SGS officially and even if it doesn't we will have the Nexus port) and the LED flash. Other than that the devices are the same from what i have seen.

if you were looking to get the XT720
you would have noticed it runs on 1700/2100
Bell runs on 850/1900
the Tmobile version runs on 1700/2100
jebise101 said:
I ended up getting the nokia 5230 and giving it to my dad, will be getting the SGS for myself. The 2.2 upgrade was a total let down plus no custom ROM's or tweaks kida pushed me off and i never like Moto . SGS has its problems but i think i can live with that because of 2.2 and also up coming 2.3.
just finding that custom ROM is all i will need, if the XT can be OC'ed then maybe the SGS can also. Why would you guys recommend the tmobile version versus the bell version? are they not the same thing minus the antenna's and design?
Getting the Nexus S android 2.3 ported to the SGS was a huge factor for me, as that just says to me once we get this port perfected then anything google releases for the Nexus S can easily be ported to the SGS and no stupid Samsung bloatware. I would only get the Nexus S because of android 2.3 (its gonna come for the SGS officially and even if it doesn't we will have the Nexus port) and the LED flash. Other than that the devices are the same from what i have seen.
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jebise101 said:
I ended up getting the nokia 5230
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I probably would recommend the same thing. Though I have one odd use case that most people do not have and that is "wifi" tethering (after rooting)for those times when I need to connect another device to access the Internet. e.g. laptop, PSP, iPod etc.
The phone itself is a bit overpriced for just that one feature though. However, since I recently lost my iPod touch, this would act as a replacement for it.
So far the relationship I have with the phone (got it on Dec 14) can be described as "I hate it, but my life will not be fun without it"
However, I if I still had my iPod, I may get Alcatel Tribe just because it is cheaper.

AllGamer said:
if you were looking to get the XT720
you would have noticed it runs on 1700/2100
Bell runs on 850/1900
the Tmobile version runs on 1700/2100
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I know WIND/T-Mobile run on the same bands and Bell/Verizon i think are the same bands and Rogers/AT&T are same bands.
I'm stuck with a 3 year contract with bell and that was why i was thinking of switching to WIND's miracle plan and giving my dad my bell contract. But that not what ended up happening, i stayed with my bell contract and got dad a nokia with the $25 which meant i could in the end get the SGS i wanted since it came out in june.

jebise101 said:
I know WIND/T-Mobile run on the same bands and Bell/Verizon i think are the same bands and Rogers/AT&T are same bands.
I'm stuck with a 3 year contract with bell and that was why i was thinking of switching to WIND's miracle plan and giving my dad my bell contract. But that not what ended up happening, i stayed with my bell contract and got dad a nokia with the $25 which meant i could in the end get the SGS i wanted since it came out in june.
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that's exactly what i did, i switched over to WIND
those plans were AMAZING!!!! (enjoying every minute of it ) unfortunately the lats day to get it was last year 12/31
no more worries about calling long distance
no more worries about sending SMS to international numbers
no more worries about data limit
no more worries about anything.... all feature, all unlimited, ALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!! muahahahahahaha!!!!!
never been happier switching providers

AllGamer said:
that's exactly what i did, i switched over to WIND
those plans were AMAZING!!!! (enjoying every minute of it ) unfortunately the lats day to get it was last year 12/31
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Wind's plans are awesome, but the coverage is somewhat ****ty still. Just gotta wait until they put more towers out there. Now that there's Mobilicity in town (they seem to use AWS2100 as well) that's only a matter of time.

Hi,
im planing to buy the Xt720 soon, but my question is wether it runs somewhat smooth or is it lagging sometimes, because there were mixed replies in some other thread.
And when i OC the milestone xt720 and maybe put the Froyo JIT thing on it, how would it be in terms of speed in comparison to the HTC Desire?
Is it a huge drawback that the phone cant be updated to 2.2 yet? I mean except for performance it doesn't change that much right?
Overall would you suggest the phone to me or is there a better alternative in this pricerange?
And my last question is, when i root my phone is the chance for real higher that it gets a defect or are these warnings pretty much meanless?
Thanks in advance

when clocked at 1000, you wont even know the difference to when HTC Desire was on 2.1
if you remember how it was for the Desire to run 2.1, then that's how it feels on this phone
we're working towards porting a 2.2 to work on our phone, it'll be a matter of time before we get it
Reedddd said:
Hi,
im planing to buy the Xt720 soon, but my question is wether it runs somewhat smooth or is it lagging sometimes, because there were mixed replies in some other thread.
And when i OC the milestone xt720 and maybe put the Froyo JIT thing on it, how would it be in terms of speed in comparison to the HTC Desire?
Is it a huge drawback that the phone cant be updated to 2.2 yet? I mean except for performance it doesn't change that much right?
Overall would you suggest the phone to me or is there a better alternative in this pricerange?
And my last question is, when i root my phone is the chance for real higher that it gets a defect or are these warnings pretty much meanless?
Thanks in advance
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Ok thank you thats great to hear.
But when i overclock my phone to 1GH will there be issues with the phone, i mean will it stop functioning earlier when overclocked that much or doesn't it matter at all?
In Terms of speed, even when not overclocked the motorola milestone xt720 is faster/less laggy then the samsung galaxy 3 i5800 right? Because i saw a video where the xt720 was lagging and galaxy 3 wasnt.
Sorry for my bad english im german
Thanks in Advance

Hy i´m verry Happy with this Device....i´ve not Modified anything....only installed Updates and some Apps and everything is fine.....i´ve bid it from Ebay as New for 186 €....so for me its the Best Phone i´ve ever bought and it was very cheap.....
I´m an old WinMo Fanboy but now with Android its the best i ever used.....fast,easy to customize and easy to Use......
Sorry for my poor English.....

Loving the phone
I am using it for little more than a month and totally loving it..

[Q] To keep the Sidekick 4G or not keep the 4G, that is the question.

Steep learning curve for myself, and nearly no devs. The phone also seems to crash all by itself at least once a day.
I love my sidekick to death, but will she see support? At first I only bought it because it said sidekick and had the flippy screen. I was a happy camper, but then I learned that it was a ****ING LINUX PHONE *****. Given the investment, I'd like to have the return of cracking wireless network while wardriving, and listening to flacs that I'm torrenting off of a cloned SIM card in a third world country in a stolen Lincoln Continental. (gets a little OT towards the end, but you get my point.) Otherwise I'd just return the phone and duck tape my old SK Slide together and keep using that.
So, now that you see my intentions. Should I devote the time and love of writing regular expressions that make other programmers see blood, or leave the ship before she sinks?

To be honest I don't see it likely that many devs will be jumping on board for this phone. Theres many posts where they say the phone is meant for teenage girls, and teenage girls can't code . Well if you like the phone keep it. Custom roms aren't really that amazing... most of them only have minor tweaks and custom themes. The kernels are nice if you want to overclock or undervolt though and voodoo color/sound is nice. Overall if you like the phone, the flip screen and all keep it, Having it rooted gives you most of the benefits already... theres bound to be SOME development but i'm guessing it will be a VERY long time before you see cyanogen or miui released

If I were you I would exchange it for a g2,mytouch 4g,g2x....or wait for galxys s 2 instead..
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Ace42 said:
If I were you I would exchange it for a g2,mytouch 4g,g2x....or wait for galxys s 2 instead..
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Yeah but none of those have the QWERTY keyboard, which was my main motivator for the sidekick. I really miss the form factor the sidekick Slide. It was tiny but effective. All these newfangled smartphones are the size of boomerangs.
I'm not really going to complain as much anymore because I just figured out how to turn off 4G and having to charge my phone almost twice a day was my main complaint. Besides the random crashes, but my friend's phone (the evo 4g) does the same thing so it's not like I would be upgrading if I got another phone.
So I guess my only REAL complaint now is the speed, and not having a flash for the camera.
God I'm a whiny *****. Look at me. I own a phone for a teenage girl and now I'm turning into one. This phone is <3
Any chance gingerbread will make its way to it?

The G2 has a kb but not the lg g2x..All android phones don't have the shutdown isse, its probably linked to the software.my mytouch slide doesn't do hat at all or even my g1 when I had it. Anyway its your choice, but be careful since you keep this for 2yrs if you have a contract..Just try the phones at th tmo store if you can, the larger screens are easy to type on, the ipone has abt the same screen size and it can be used fine
Oh yeah I forgot to mention ol sammy is terrible with making updates so ginger won't be coming to a phone near for a long long time...Just ask some of the other galaxy s owners and they'll tell you. That's why I want nothing to do with sammy, they dnt give good support lik htc.
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Ace42 said:
The G2 has a kb but not the lg g2x..All android phones don't have the shutdown isse, its probably linked to the software.my mytouch slide doesn't do hat at all or even my g1 when I had it. Anyway its your choice, but be careful since you keep this for 2yrs if you have a contract..Just try the phones at th tmo store if you can, the larger screens are easy to type on, the ipone has abt the same screen size and it can be used fine
Oh yeah I forgot to mention ol sammy is terrible with making updates so ginger won't be coming to a phone near for a long long time...Just ask some of the other galaxy s owners and they'll tell you. That's why I want nothing to do with sammy, they dnt give good support lik htc.
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No. I paid upfront for the phone. I have a 14 day period to return it.
I just don't want a massive tablet in my pocket. I rock skinny jeans all day err'y day and having some brick in my pocket is terrible for the females looking at my legs.
I was thinking of the Blackberry Bold but closed source is a major boner killer. Same with IOS, but I am familiar with every phone operating system so its no biggie.
I know the Droid Pro has a nice keyboard, especially the one that slides, like the Droid OG, but it looks like a pain to type on, with all the letters smushed together.

**** it. I'm keeping it. I'm not some prissy little beezy. The only time I take pictures is at concerts and the pictures always turn out like **** 'cause I'm too drunk; and before and after sex...

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No. I paid upfront for the phone. I have a 14 day period to return it.
I just don't want a massive tablet in my pocket. I rock skinny jeans all day err'y day and having some brick in my pocket is terrible for the females looking at my legs.
I was thinking of the Blackberry Bold but closed source is a major boner killer. Same with IOS, but I am familiar with every phone operating system so its no biggie.
I know the Droid Pro has a nice keyboard, especially the one that slides, like the Droid OG, but it looks like a pain to type on, with all the letters smushed together.
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Are you only looking for a tmo device or any phone? Maybe checkout a verizon or sprint store.
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Phone cameras are never that good anyways. I always bring my canon elph when I care about memories.

The Pope of Dope said:
Steep learning curve for myself, and nearly no devs. The phone also seems to crash all by itself at least once a day.
I love my sidekick to death, but will she see support? At first I only bought it because it said sidekick and had the flippy screen. I was a happy camper, but then I learned that it was a ****ING LINUX PHONE *****. Given the investment, I'd like to have the return of cracking wireless network while wardriving, and listening to flacs that I'm torrenting off of a cloned SIM card in a third world country in a stolen Lincoln Continental. (gets a little OT towards the end, but you get my point.) Otherwise I'd just return the phone and duck tape my old SK Slide together and keep using that.
So, now that you see my intentions. Should I devote the time and love of writing regular expressions that make other programmers see blood, or leave the ship before she sinks?
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I too am going back and forthcoming from a epic 4g the speeds I get on tmobile are stabl and way better than sprints 4g, minor sacrafices like no flash screen quality and size etc but I love the keyboard, text change, the reject list, wifi calling, form factor, etc and while its nice to have a decent cam phone with flash I will miss my epic 4g screen and flash its bittersweet. The keyboard is remarkable and I don't want to lose my reject list I think its a tmobil thing...however why do they charge 14.99 to tether the same data give to us? I don't get it!
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blu9987 said:
To be honest I don't see it likely that many devs will be jumping on board for this phone. Theres many posts where they say the phone is meant for teenage girls, and teenage girls can't code . Well if you like the phone keep it. Custom roms aren't really that amazing... most of them only have minor tweaks and custom themes. The kernels are nice if you want to overclock or undervolt though and voodoo color/sound is nice. Overall if you like the phone, the flip screen and all keep it, Having it rooted gives you most of the benefits already... theres bound to be SOME development but i'm guessing it will be a VERY long time before you see cyanogen or miui released
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You downplaying the benefit of custom roms, with their power options, ported lock screens, etc, makes it sound as if you don't want any development on the SK4G.

jellette said:
You downplaying the benefit of custom roms, with their power options, ported lock screens, etc, makes it sound as if you don't want any development on the SK4G.
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err meant to hit quote not thanks lol, anyways
Care to point out where I mentioned not wanting development for the sk4g? I just said that it doesn't look like many devs are buying this phone and not to expect something like CM7 or MIUI any time soon.
also I explained custom roms fairly accurately
"most of them only have minor tweaks and custom themes."
and to what you said:
>power options - you mean adding reboot to the power menu? *tweak/theme*
>ported lock screen *theme*
I said the kernels are nice with voodoo color and sound and overclock/undervolt abilities and such are nice and the improved battery life from them.
and custom roms basically are just:
all bugfixes/tweaks known to date
themed to the devs liking or just stock theme (including custom lockscreen port and power options)
custom kernel (the main benefit in my opinion)
bloatware removed (which you can do with root)
some useful apps added(if the dev chooses)
but it wont take a phone you hate and turn it into an amazing phone.
What i'm getting at is if you like the phone you'll like it with custom roms because they look nice and have added goodies.. if you don't like the phone a rom isn't going to make it much better.

I see lots of people b*tching that this is a "teen phone" and the like.
It's the PERFECT form for those of use who want to use the phone as a mobile terminal. It's the one thing I miss the MOST about my old G1 when I upgraded to the Galaxy S. Sure the Galaxy S is a superior phone to the G1, but the physical keyboard gave me 2x the screen size and didn't have goofy input methods to get to various punctuations (' / \ | {} [] () etc) made it an excellent device to have on hand when I needed to address a server issue *RIGHT NOW*.
G2? Sorry, the keyboard on it sucks. This is the first real successor to the G1 that's an actual upgrade device (MT Slide doesn't really count, same processor constraint as the G1) and I would hope that some developers would show it some love. I'd have preferred if Samsung had given it the same screen as the Galaxy S, but they need to have *something* to upgrade if they plan on making a Mk2 device.

summary of the SK4G
It's been forever since I've upgraded and I just spent quite a bit of time with a number of phones, most of em 4G Android as that was the minimum i was looking for. I hope this summary helps your decisions.
I found that if you're in the market for a fast (1-1.2ghz, dual core), big (4"+) and beautiful (Super AMOLED) touch screen Android phone, there's many choices. Optimus/G2x, Incredible 2, Nexus S, Galaxy S I/II, etc.
There are also a good number of powerful slide-keyboard phones, such as the Evo Shift 4G, Epic 4G, G2, and Droid 2 Global. I noticed that the physical keyboard phones tended to trail the touch screens a bit in overall technology.
Raxxon said the G2 keyboard "sucks". I beg to differ - the HTC keyboards, which are all very similar, are probably the second-best keyboards I've ever used. 4 rows of full-sized and most importantly staggered keys. Not to mention, extra assignable shortcut keys.
But what if you were looking for something that makes using SSH, IRC, chat, email, and other messaging a breeze? There is only one phone with 5 rows of nicely spaced, tactile, staggered keys. The Sidekick 4G.
I was very annoyed that the designers felt that the voice-command and smiley-face buttons were more important than the right-side Alt key. But this can be remedied with a custom key mapper.
Yes, it's unfortunate that the screen looks so mediocre compared to the ones on other flagship models. I do miss the D-pad, but I think touchscreen navigation compensates for the crappy scroll "circle".
I admit I get phone-envy when I see the beautiful screens on those 4.5" dual core touch screen models. But nothing was as easy to email, chat, and type on as the Sidekick. I'll be buying one as soon as they get it in stock around here.

<As I was.>

No more HTC QWERTYs

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_is_done_with_the_qwerty_phones-news-4128.php
So much for QWERTYs....
That makes the MT4GS the most powerful GSM QWERTY

Omfg yyyyy. This will not b forever....trust me. When you get a year later than this they'll make QWERTYs again because f lack of sales to an all touchscreen line up. Don't u think?
Typed by ---- oh wait! I'm schizophrenic!

I guess that means I'll be investing my money elsewhere. It's probably a smart decision for their failing business, but Samsung will be there to pick up the slack.
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I think enough people are fine with all-touchscreen phones for HTC to do fine.... the article said qwerty sales just aren't cutting it enough for them to continue. In my mind, part of the problem is the keyboards aren't really good enough, but that is just my opinion. For me, I haven't seen a really good keyboard on a device that wasn't branded a Sidekick. But I think more what it is is that the iPhone kinda shaped people's perception, and for some reason people like that form factor. But I also think that some company(s) will step up and realize there is still a market for qwerty phones.
My introduction to smartphones was the old Sidekicks, so to me a smartphone is a mini console or terminal, with keyboard and landscape screen. And I'm gonna keep seeing it that way until there just aren't any more like that..... which perhaps means this might be my last HTC phone!

That's a shame - they really had a happy customer in me.
I should get a galaxy with my next paycheck just to start getting used to the samsung way of things.
Motorolla is kinda in limbo until we find out whether Huwai is going to buy them or not from Google...
...who else does that leave? just off brands or low quality losers like LG - every LG phone i've ever owned was a complete and utter POS failure, and would never buy one of their products again, period.
I like HTC, but I guess they don't like me.

yogi2010 said:
I think enough people are fine with all-touchscreen phones for HTC to do fine.... the article said qwerty sales just aren't cutting it enough for them to continue. In my mind, part of the problem is the keyboards aren't really good enough, but that is just my opinion. For me, I haven't seen a really good keyboard on a device that wasn't branded a Sidekick. But I think more what it is is that the iPhone kinda shaped people's perception, and for some reason people like that form factor. But I also think that some company(s) will step up and realize there is still a market for qwerty phones.
My introduction to smartphones was the old Sidekicks, so to me a smartphone is a mini console or terminal, with keyboard and landscape screen. And I'm gonna keep seeing it that way until there just aren't any more like that..... which perhaps means this might be my last HTC phone!
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excuse me...u forgot the tp2 lol...i dont even recall them releasing a tilting screen android either. Having my phone serve as its own dock would be nice again. I dont care much for the bb style kbs but the dell had some nice looking phones for wp7....it wouldve been nice to run wm or android on one. I think htc & others would do better in qwertys sales if the released higher end device instead of these cheapo lg quality ones. Far as the iphone in away it did but there also been a craze for thin/light phones. Its funny cuz those are normally the same ones complaining about battery life.

What a joke...that actually really pisses me off because I woke up this morning with my new POS hummingbird processor powered samsung exhibit 1 4G and tried to draft up an article for my website, failed, and moved to my laptop. I'm a guy who has huge hands, so it's looking more and more like I'll have to scrap HTC and go with an albatross Note. Whoever said that the qwerty phones were failing because of a lack of power behind them, you're absolutely right! How can the smartphone maker not see that correlation...

Not cool htc smh.
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Every smartphone I've ever used has had a physical keyboard. My first was the T-Mobile DASH (Win6.x), then a Moto Cliq (the best keyboard but a crappy phone). Next was the MyTouch 3G Slide, also a really nice keyboard. Now, the MT4GS. Though the keyboard on the 4GS isn't as good as the 3GS, I still prefer it over having a phone with no keyboard.

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excuse me...u forgot the tp2 lol...i dont even recall them releasing a tilting screen android either. Having my phone serve as its own dock would be nice again. I dont care much for the bb style kbs but the dell had some nice looking phones for wp7....it wouldve been nice to run wm or android on one. I think htc & others would do better in qwertys sales if the released higher end device instead of these cheapo lg quality ones. Far as the iphone in away it did but there also been a craze for thin/light phones. Its funny cuz those are normally the same ones complaining about battery life.
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I <3 my Rhodium (TP2). First smartphone I got was the Kaiser (Tilt), then the Rhodium, and now the MT4GS. The TP2 had the best keyboard of the 3 by far.
I must say I am going to miss hardware keyboards, especially from HTC since they're the only phone manufacturer I buy from. I don't think touchscreens will ever be as quick and easy as hardware keyboards are.

As an side: duly noted about the tp2 I never had one but I do hear lots of people praising that phone and it's keyboard, and not just in this thread. I also agree that for the most part, the companies sacrifice other things when they make a great keyboard.

I loved my TM2 as well! The keyboard was great and only replicated on the HTC Pro, released only for Sprint in the US. Honestly, I'd probably be rocking that right now if there was a T-Mobile version in the US.
This is all sad but I'm really hoping that the niche QWERTY line continues in step with the MyTouch, Sidekick, Droid, and Samsung models. No one can ever type fast in home row fashion on a virtual keybaord with great accuracy!
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HTC is walking the same line that Nokia did a couple years ago. Consolidate! Save Resources! Be Mediocre! Lose Market Share! Sell Out to M.... Huawei?
Better know about it now, so I can start looking for another company. Samsung seems good right now. They are big enough to support a qwerty phone for a while.

As long as there is an Asia, there will be a market for ancient anything.
Hell, HTC's website still markets Windows Mobile phones...
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Guys, it's not like keyboards are dying out all together. Only HTC is out of the running.
Besides, we've still got a powerful device to be reckoned with
If we can get merged into the official CM tree, we will be the official most powerful QWERTY they've got. Not to mention we'll get updates for God knows how long
If anything this should spur us all on to dev even harder for the device and keep the keyboard legacy alive.
You can trust I will start devving myself as soon as school lets out. Anyone willing to take me on as their apprentice?
I know nothing, but I'm quite eager to learn if someone wants to take me under their wing.

I think this news will have some folks picking up doubleshots off Craigslist. This news and the realization that the phone spec wars have gotten ridiculous. I'm holding on to my doubleshot for good.

First the locked bootloaders, then the buggy "bootloader unlockers" on their website, now this. Samsung should start manufacturing high-end QWERTY keyboards to pick up the demand.

This seems weird to me, because as far as I can remember, HTC has only released QWERTY phones with T-Mobile and Sprint. Those aren't the carriers to turn to if you want to shift a lot of phones, IMO.
I'm really hoping samsung releases a glide variant of the SGIII. I haven't seen anything about that in the leaks, so I'll likely end up using the DS until it isn't viable anymore and re-examine my options at that point.

jonnycat26 said:
This seems weird to me, because as far as I can remember, HTC has only released QWERTY phones with T-Mobile and Sprint. Those aren't the carriers to turn to if you want to shift a lot of phones, IMO.
I'm really hoping samsung releases a glide variant of the SGIII. I haven't seen anything about that in the leaks, so I'll likely end up using the DS until it isn't viable anymore and re-examine my options at that point.
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Same here. Samsung and Sprint are looking better and better as time goes on.

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Same here. Samsung and Sprint are looking better and better as time goes on.
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I came from Sprint. It's a disaster.