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Why IPhone will beat them all.

After looking at the presentation of IPhone 3G v3.0 and already have read the articles about the WM v6.5 and v7.0, a huge disappointment came over me.
You see I am a top shouter in my environment for the HTC phones which are all equipped with the WM OS's.
The greatest impression on me where some articles about guys(who seemed in my eyes a real priority on this, i am dutch so not quickly impressed by anything), who wrote all similar story's about the WM v6.5/7.0. Stating Microsoft is not at all doing anything to compete with the Google and APPLE OS's. There are just very few improvements and absolutely not at all impressive enough as the IPhone OS.
Reading some article they are looking for a lead developer for the new core for WM v7.0 are not honored and contradicting, like saying oke guys i know the current OS is ****ty so we need to start over, can anyone help us?
That is not the sort of message I as WM lover like to hear.
It seems that Apple is just about the only one who is really listening to the users and they are working their ass off getting all requested functionality integrated. APPLE have done more on the OS in 1 year then Microsoft did on all development of the WM versions.
I am working at an IT company where the IPhone is making a serious entry and I am working at support and people asking me for information getting the IPhone working with the company applications. and guess what, it is sooooooo much easier getting it setup then every other WM-device i have seen. And they seem to shrink in number at the company.
Now I am really in love with the HTC-devices, but i am slowly getting confused by the latest IPHONE OS.
I expect that Microsoft will loose this battle due to their arrogance and dragging all major mobile company's down with it. So expect another crisis in a year or 3 because now the smart phones are booming but people will come to their senses and they switch to IPhone after their subscriber to the providers has ended.
So please bring me to my senses and say I am totally wrong!!

yes and no
the problem is migrators. people whove had there nokias and stuff then want a better device. theyll run to iphone dueto the flashy marketing and support
bu winmo is more like an old pair of sneakers. sure theyre ugly aan dirty
but they do the job they were built to do. in my opinion as long as they do there job making it work i can do my job making it look pretty. coz id rather get ther in my old confy sneakers to get there than getting blisters from a new pair
i dont think any die hard winmo fan will move not really because at the end of the day we always go back to those old trainers
ive got a headache now
stop making me use my brain

i went from iphone to iphone 3g to windows mobile
i prefer my diamond to be honest even thou iphone can do alot more in ways the diamond does more in other ways
hands down id rather go with diamond or pro

@jayjay8585
Thanks for your response.
I hope you are familiar with ice skating?
They where skating years and years on the normal skates and the fastest times stayed longer and longer on the list.
Then someone decided to change the skate(klikskate, the iron comes half lose when lifting the skate) so significantly everybody said out loud that will not work, so they tried it a bit but went back to their old skates(sneakers).
Until someone who always was just under the top 10 decided, oke I reeeeeeealy going to try this and trained for 2 years on it.
So the next major tournament this person broke all long standing records.
Now everybody is using the new ice skates and up until now, records keep broken almost every new major tournament.
Shortly: I half agree with the sneaker story but it will not hold on the long term.
Microsoft just messed up to big, so if Bill wants to see another billion or 2 added on the Forbes list he has to get serious on this.

Windows Mobile 7 is not even beta yet so how can you be making comparisons with that OS? And while apple has added features to bring it on par with modern smartphones I personally am too used to the freedom of using a device of my own choosing with whatever carrier I choose and not being tied to using apple software and hardware products.

Here is what I have to say about the iPhone. The iPhone............

iPhone = Flashy Fashiontoy laden with DRM Crap no one here wants. Period.

Yup!
jadephyre said:
iPhone = Flashy Fashiontoy laden with DRM Crap no one here wants. Period.
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Quoted for the Mo-Fo'm truth!

How about the g1? It listens to its users the users and devs nake this phone better everydaay. I have had my for just over a week and don't know how I livd without it. I love how it works It can do all the iphone can and more. My main thing is it needs flash player other than that. also anyone seen or have any ideas on the new plam?

I personally wouldn't touch the G1 even if my life depended on it... Someone has to remove all the frickin' Google Crap from the OS (mandatory googlemail acc, anyone ?) before I'd be willing to shell out a few hundred bucks for one of these.
I'm not willing to let Google put a leash up my ass...

To the above guy. Besides making a mail account that's ur only leash. That beats being to to steve and bill in my opion. U can change the browser and well just about every u can get a lot of apps on line. U don't have to use the market that came on the phone everything is open.

the G1 I tested required a Googlemail Account.
Granted, I already have one and only Spam gets redirected there, but I don't want Google to know who i have as Contacts on my Sim and my Appointments no one has to read either.
Google on G1 = No Phone for me

Well whre are getting that they do that? And if they do why dosent everyone else? I figuer all cell phone data is almost public anyways

just wanted to add my 2 pence worth.
I've only had 2 WM devices so far, the XDA Exec and now the Touch Dual.
As much as I've enjoyed playing with these, I'm starting to really like the look of the iPhone. Everyone I speak to that has one say they love it because it does what is says on the lid. It works.
I'm fed up with having to reset my phone when it crashes on an incoming call, or re-syncing it to my BT car Hands free set...............
I've had to work hard and rely on the good devs here (thanks folks)to be able to get to a point where my phone is just about stable.
The iPhone is starting to look like a possability when my contract is up in six months

WM 6.5 will make it better as well as ROM Cookers. I have the Iphone 3G - in the box. Yes its flashy and its more fluid I like the control I have over my Touch HD. I like being able to flash it and try it out. I like the fact that I can change the BATTERY out on it. I like the ability to sync with Outlook, I like the fact that there are many many apps for the WM 6.1 and 6.5(when it becomes available).
And I like my screen resolution and Garmin XT NAV
Oh yeah.. Did I mention that I hate ITUNES and DRM?

jadephyre said:
the G1 I tested required a Googlemail Account.
Granted, I already have one and only Spam gets redirected there, but I don't want Google to know who i have as Contacts on my Sim and my Appointments no one has to read either.
Google on G1 = No Phone for me
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you do realize that you can turn off syncing, which means that you wont send any data to the google acct. so none of your contacts/appointments will leave your phone, and gmail wont sync. if you root your G1 you dont even have to use a google acct.

This is an article from BRIGHTHAND:
Cut, Copy, and Paste
Confirming the earlier rumors, iPhone 3.0 will -- finally -- allow iPhone users to cut-and-paste and copy-and-paste. Naturally, the process for selecting text will take advantage of this device's multi-touch screen. This feature will be available in Apple's own software and third-party apps.
And it extends to more than just text. Users will be able to copy images and paste them into an email.
MMS, A2DP, Etc.
iPhone 3.0 will also mark the arrival of other features long available in the iPhone's competitors, including MMS messaging, Stereo Bluetooth, device search, and voice memos.
In addition, landscape support is being added to more of the bundled applications.
Apple is also going to release a new SDK (software developer kit) for handling streaming audio and video, including HDTV streaming.
Still No Multitasking
Apple had some good news and bad news for users. The bad news is that it's still not allowing multitasking because running third-party applications in the background is more than the device can handle. Scott Forstall, Apple SVP iPhone Software, who handled much of today's presentation, said that an IM application running in the background reduced the iPhone's standby battery time by 80%.
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I don't think the iPhone is able to beat anybody yet, as you can see, the above upgrade or fix to the coming iPhone 3 are qualities that should have been there since it's first release. They are still playing catch-up to Windows Mobile.
The only thing I like about the iPhone is the speed. Other than that, nothing else. With more powerful processor coming out, this will definitely be a brighter future for WM.
mavrik64 said:
I'm fed up with having to reset my phone when it crashes on an incoming call, or re-syncing it to my BT car Hands free set...............
I've had to work hard and rely on the good devs here (thanks folks)to be able to get to a point where my phone is just about stable.
The iPhone is starting to look like a possability when my contract is up in six months
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Sorry to see you are having trouble, but for me, my setup is very stable. No crashes nor freezes, so I am happy with Windows Mobile. BT works flawlessly too. I believe stability is related to what applications you have installed. I have about 350 applications and games installed, you just need to try them one by one and see which one causes the problem. This is the proceedure I do each time I upgrade my device. By the way, I have an HTC Advantage X7510. I just use my HTC Universal as the test subject nowadays.

I'd like to thank those brave enough to say that the iPhone does in fact pose a huge problem to WM, and those brave enough to say that they're willing to move away. Another thing I'd like to say is that being tied to a carrier/network that you don't like is not actually an argument against the iPhone, rather the circumstances surrounding it. Let's keep this thread based around an SIM-unlocked iPhone for a change. Also, let's just look at the OS, and not the extras HTC/Samsung/SE has overlayed on top.
Now, let's face it, WM is losing appeal- fast. WM is dynamic and flexible- almost like an open-source OS, but the UI is outdated and still bears an uncanny resemblance to it's oldest predecessor almost 10 whole years ago. Also, it can get laggy, and crashes even on stock ROMs, so there's another bunch of disadvantages.
Not much left. Let's hope WM7 saves MS.

I agree 100% with cktlcmd.
Thanks for putting it exactly how I would,
so I don't have to think.

This is what I'm feeling so far.......... (my two cents)
I love my wimo (6700, 8525, tilt and now touch Pro) and at first I use to tell people that only way that iPhone is making a killing is because how they advertised the phone.
People with iPhones use to be like your phone looks and feels like a brick. I will tell them how the wimo can do all types of things, so they started coming back to me and showing how once they jail break the phone they can do about all most the same thing. I would laugh and say well you still can't get mms, teathering, or cut/paste......3.0 is coming out for the iPhone, now I feel like hiding from the ones I laughed at.
If Microsoft is reading......please help us out, because the reason I love the phones is because they can do wonders but now I'm starting to feel like an old school guy with and old phone not willing to give up.............We (I hope I can speak for all the wimo people) spend at alot of time and money on these phone and just want a little something back, beside a new phone......think about the inside the phone and help us out so we can stay and be the top dogs again.

switch to iphone?

I hate it but every company makes apps for the iphone. Windows mobile always left in the cold when it comes to new applications. Random companies make apps for the iphone. The Weather Channel, CNBC, eBay, NBA, MLB, ESPN, Showtime plus thousands of other companies choose to make apps for the iphone only. I hate it but when my contract runs out i might swich to the iphone. Anyone feeling this way?

No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.

player911 said:
No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.
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Mmm, gotta disagree with you on that. Are you speaking from experience? Do you own an iPhone? I agree with the OP, I've been frustrated by the useful apps that have come out for the iPhone while WM has been all but forgotten.

android?
You could switch to a nice android device. I really like my g1 quite a bit. The app store doesn't have the volume of apps that the iphone one does, but if you factor out all the sound boards and fart machines, there isn't a huge difference.
Also, android is a platform, not a single device. I'm betting long term, you will see android win market share. It wouldn't be the first time that apple lost out with a closed, proprietary system. They did the same thing when competeing with IBM and Microsoft, and lost out there too.

I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.

edit nevermind

Android is gaining a number of apps in the Android Market. Some of the apps mentioned by the OP are now available on Android and more a coming online all the time.

i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.

good for you...

Gotta say, there's still a place in my heart for WinMo, and I'm really looking forward to WM7, hoping not to be disappointed. But once you jailbreak an iPhone, it's superior in basically every way. I'm sick to death of Job's draconian resistance to JB, but fortunately the community has some geniuses who can tell him where he needs to go stick his head.
Valkryomnia may hate it, but that's only because he clearly doesn't have a jailbroken iPhone, because all the things he's talking about are laughably false except for the non-removable battery and memory. However, those aren't big deals for me because at this point the choice is 32GB of non-removable memory on iPhone vs 16GB of removable on WM. Not a hard choice for me. And as for the battery, I probably will get a new phone by the time it dies anyway, so... meh.
It's funny, but at this point the thing I miss most about WM is having to fiddle around with it to get it to work. With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can), but because it really just works. And giving up the fun of fiddling with it is a small price to pay for also giving up the frustration of the constant crashes, memory problems, incompatibilities, abandoned software that has promise but never gets finished, flashing, reflashing, and flashing, flashing, flashing constantly, etc. It's just a world of difference.

I jumped from the n-gage into the WM world and its disappointing at best in the games deppartment.
Emus and ports are good, but the iphone games are looking better each day.
Plus, 3 years ago when the iphone came out, M$ made a lot of promisses that WM could be as good as and i havent seen any yet.
I still remenber a youtube video showing the (soon to come out) Windows Vista gadgets running on the WM... where are they?

I love WM and sometimes i miss a FUN Application and Games that iPhone have but at all i can say that the iPhone is made for the Kids for peoples betwen 14 and 18 years Because the WM is more for Bussines Peoples etc.
So our HTC Phones are more Stylish for Example i use Blackstone.. we can`t even compare iPhone Vs Blackstone.
So if someday HTC start to support the device better and make new apps often some for bussines some just for fun... you know what will heppand.
I only don`t know one thing.
If i was a owner of HTC and i want to Grown Alot alot more... the 1st thing that i will do is More Support with ROM`s with Apps i can tell you with sure that if WM have the same FUN apps like iPhone and even better NO ONE WILL BUY an iPhone!!!
And i wonder why HTC don`t kick this iPhones from the Market they can do it very easy.
Even that we dont have alot WM apps made by HTC or other i still prefer to have a stylish bussines device that have many futures and potential in the future
So if you are under 18 then just buy iPhone )))

mkerr said:
i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.
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I agree with that!
I've been a windows mobile user for a couple of years and while I love tweaking everything and writing apps in c#, I'm quickly growing tired of it falling so far behind the iphone and android. 6.5 is really just a new start menu and lock screen with WM2003 underneath. Back when I had a tytn I loved flashing new roms, but recently I've lot interest in it, especially when the benefits aren't really that great in terms of features.
My contract is up in January and at the moment I'm leaning towards an iphone. I like the look of android (plus I would be able to write apps for it in java), but it doesn't feel that complete to me.
My main uses for a phone are:
Web browsing - nothing beats the iphone here. Opera is nice but its painfully slow. Opera mini is also very good but the rendering doesn't look that nice.
Facebook - the iphone app is by far the best, and the windows mobile one is a joke.
Twitter - there are decent clients for all 3
Email (not push) - Pocket outlook isn't finger friendly, so its iphone or android here, but I haven't seen the android email client that much.
Writing apps - I'm happy to write java or C#, and hate objective C
Random apps - The iphone is a clear winner here
Golf scorecards with GPS - I wrote one for windows mobile, but nothing I can write could compare to apps like airvue for the iphone
Satnav - I love igo, so windows mobile wins here
Music - Once more, the iphone blows everything else away (S2P is nice, but still laggy on my diamond).
I think that if the HD2 was android then it would be a serious contender, but unless anything amazing comes out within the next 3 months I'll be jumping ship to the iphone (and probably jailbreaking it straight away).
Going back a year, I was one of the 'iphone haters', and I still hate the mac fanboy mentality of apple is best whilst blocking out all forms of logic and reason. Now I just want something which does everything I need easily and quickly.
18 months ago, if I knew I'd be thinking like this, I probably would've punched myself in the face.

same here.. i owned a o2 mini for years now using elf but when my contract finish.. hmmm 75% chance i will get iphone - hopefully by then it will have removable storage and radio..
1 i like from iphone is speed - and almost (never?) crash..

I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.

I do love the HTC design and style, but why is it always bad on hardware?
The ram and speed upgrades are always small and the video drivers are sad at best.
Its true, the WM ppcs were made for business, and never had a real "gamer liberation"... that, for me, is the problem with them.
I wanted a cheap ppc that could be, like the magician (qtek s100/s110), way ahead of its time.
All the phones I see around me are slower than my magician from 2003.
Thats why I am starting to look at the iphone.

Yes.. befor more than a year when i was looking for a new Device just to say that here in Bulgaria we don`t have so good contracts etc so when you want a new Device you just need to Buy it by yourself Cash.
So from the time i start to use Mobile Phones i always own a Nokia and i always use the latest models befor to move in WM i was on Symbian and i use the Nokia almost everyone from N series.. but befor a year i was thinking i need something new something diferent and powerfull...
and the Blakcstone just come out on the market this days and he amazed me with the Screen with thedesign and with many other things...
So the Blackstone was more expensive than the iPhone 3G here and many peoples told me better buy a HTC device this Blackstone ROCK some peoples say buy iPhone so beause everyone talk about iphone and i want something diferent that iphone because i hate when everyone use the same thing.... and the iphones become something like a madness i decide to buy my Blackstone and here cost me $900 around the iPhone 3G cost on the same time around $600 so i buy the expensive one HTC and after more than a year of use... im feeling a bit desapointed for this.
I love my Blackstone and he look cool and is a good device but i hate that i understand this later that HTC didn`t give alot support to the products they make.. so when i register here in that forum i see that many peoples Coocking ROM`s and some of the ROMs can be better than the original one..but im asking myself WHY THIS PEOPLES must to do ROMS by themselfs where is the HTC COMPANY now?
If someone say Ok we have ROMs here and etc fine but where are the FUN Enterteinment apps for our Device?
Nobody do anything for WM all USA companyes make apps for iPhone so in internet they are thousend and thousend and everyday something new.
Some peoples here try theyr best to do something but this is not enought HTC must really to think about this.. because this is a serious problem and i think in the future if they didn`t do anything to fix this problem they will lose alot costumers .....
Now i don`t like how the iPhone look... i prefer my Blackstone design i don`t like the Apple but i can`t say on the Black to say its White...really i play with some iphones and they are very FAST interface and responding to the touch and you are able to have so much FUN with that device...
Someone will say the device is made for Bussines and to calling but this is not true if i want to calling i will buy a phone for $30 without any OS and will not have delay in the ringing will not crash and etc and will be ablel to calling and etc.
Now i seriously think that soon i will be totaly pissed..from all this and will need to buy an iPhone 3G the problem is that like i say we dont have a contracts and now if i wana buy it i need to pay cash around $500 and what to do with my Blackstone? i can`t just spend money for phones like this.
Maybe i need to sell my Blackstone to take some money and to spend money buying an iPhone i hate that liek i say im not iPhone fan...but............. just HTC lose me like a costumer.
Befor a Year if someone tell me that i will buy an iPhone and will wana sell my HTC i will not believe him but this is the truth....
Not Fun Apps, Not Software not ANything they just sell you a expensive device and you can download a few ringtones from the HTC Club... THANK YOU

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With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can),
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oh really? Please explain. No you cant, that is completely false. Show me an alternate UI? So me multi tasking? Show me anything other than the possibility of changing an icon lol. The iphone is an app launcher, plain and simple. You simply cant customize it, you can just put different apps on it.

bb69 said:
I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.
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i agree with what you say other than "aesthetically pleasing interface as the iphone"
How is a screen full of icons aesthetically pleasing? Its arguable that it isnt even a UI Just a program launcher

hi
with ref to the camera i dont think the HTC camera is any better
my phone has a 3.2megpik and it suks
valkryomnia said:
I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.
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iPhone 3GS or HTC Touch Pro 2 - Which one do I keep?

Hi all, I'm really struggling making a decision here so I'm hope your comments will sway me.
I have been an avid user of HTC WM devices since the very first XDA and always loved them. During that time I have owned almost every device that has come out.
Over the years it's always made me chuckle when new phones come out boasting about certain features that I've been enjoying for years and my repect for all other brands has dimished as a result. IPhone being the perfect example. I got one when they first came out and although I was impressed with the speed and interface the lack of file compatability and the simple things like copy and paste made it unbearable.
Anyway I've just been shopping for my latest phone and couldn't decide between a touch pro 2 and giving the new iPhone 3gs a try so I got them both with the intention of selling the one I like least.
The trouble is I'm trying really hard to hate the iPhone and choose the Pro2 and it's just not working (
Please help, I really don't want to betray HTC.

Why not give Android a shot? It's more advanced than WinMo, and faster too, and miles ahead of iPhone while providing a similarly smooth experience.
I went from a Diamond to the Hero the moment I tried it.
You won't be disappointed.

Throw both away and get an HD2
Excellent device:drool:

I certainly concidered android and had a good play with a hero. While I agree the interface is smoother than WM it simply doesn't come close to the 3gs. The available apps are again better (or soon will be) than WM but sadly no where near as good as the 3gs.
God, listen to me. I sound like someone sticking up for iPhones

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DannyBoy said:
Hi all, I'm really struggling making a decision here so I'm hope your comments will sway me.
I have been an avid user of HTC WM devices since the very first XDA and always loved them. During that time I have owned almost every device that has come out.
Over the years it's always made me chuckle when new phones come out boasting about certain features that I've been enjoying for years and my repect for all other brands has dimished as a result. IPhone being the perfect example. I got one when they first came out and although I was impressed with the speed and interface the lack of file compatability and the simple things like copy and paste made it unbearable.
Anyway I've just been shopping for my latest phone and couldn't decide between a touch pro 2 and giving the new iPhone 3gs a try so I got them both with the intention of selling the one I like least.
The trouble is I'm trying really hard to hate the iPhone and choose the Pro2 and it's just not working (
Please help, I really don't want to betray HTC.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=581054&highlight=iphone
TP2!!!!!

Get the TP2 if u need a keyboard, or get the super HD2 if u don't!

I'd say stay with whichever you like best. It's not about WinMo vs. iPhone, but rather what fits you best. If you prefer the iPhone, so be it. If the TP2 fits your style better, good for you. I have an iPhone (1st gen), an iPod Touch (1st gen), a TP2, and a Kaiser, and I have to say that they're all great devices, but I personally prefer the Windows Mobile devices because the OS is more flexible/hackable, and it fits me better. I don't think you could make a wrong decision between the two, since they're both quite decent, so I'd say go with you gut.

iphone 3gs

Different functionality
Hi all
I have a TP2, I have friends with both iPhone and Hero (Android). It strikes me that if you are going for communication and particularly need a full exchange service then WM is your best bet. Android, or at least the Hero, seems to be best for social networking and the iPhone seems generally good at everything with a very smooth interface.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking

I was one of the first unlocked Iphone users when it first came out. Very smooth interface, you can't go wrong with it. Simply an amazing product for simple-minded user.....it was cool back then. I would get an iphone if it wasn't 'cause...... my grandmom has one, my niece has one, my cousin has one.......and my 5 other friends each has one.

touch pro 2 wins!!!!

Suggest u to keep 3gs.. I also keep my 3gs with me now
Sent from my GT-N7000 using XDA

I would keep the 3gs

like it..
its very nice.. n i like it to mch... really nice,,,

Of course keep 3GS. Cool (not in every aspect) and fast OS, many apps/games, reasonable good built quality (but glossy battery cover is questionable). I would keep 3GS.

Keep both, the iphone is good for mms and sms but the htc is more customisable. if you had too let one go i would leave the iphone and go with the htc. (personally)

iphone

HTC HD2 versus iPhone, Blackberry Storm 2

Hello,
I have been recently thinking about changing my HTC Touch Cruise for something newer. To my mind obviously came: HTC HD2, iPhone, Blackberry Storm2.
I know that specifications-wise, HTC wins. BUT...
I have recently experienced the new Blackberry and realized that: the operation system works much quicker and nicer than Windows which HTC uses. It also seems to have less problems -> my current HTC needs a good hard restart once a week or so, because it freezes on more demanding films or some music.
I thought that Windows has much more applications available - well, I am not so sure any more once I realized that thesaurus.com produced their dictionaries for... iPhone and Blackberry. Windows has lost its market and is not taken into account by the newest developers.
I am also wondering whether 4.3'' isn't a little bit too much -> I won't be able to put it into my pocket any longer!
What do you think? HTC seems to have created a very beautiful palmtop, full of great specifications but it has also committed one crucial mistake - it used Windows...
I would be grateful if you could share with me your opinions. Maybe my fear is unjustified and the newest HD2 works perfectly in all the aspects easily beating the competition?

I have to agree with you.
I have been a WM fan for the last 5 years or so and have become disilusioned with the OS. I too was looking for a change and had been watching the LEO. This is indeed a good hardware spec, but imho let down by WM6.5. I decided that I was after a better consumer experiance and opted for the iPhone. Everyone raves about them for a long time now so I decided (after much researching) that I would try one. I have not been let down by it yet. Mind you, I've only had it 3 weeks. I'm taking a punt that in 18 months or so, WM will have caught up or Andriod will have matured, but until then, I'll take a walk on the dark side.
So far I'm loving the fact that is just seems to work and it integrates with my car hifi perfecly. I can now play music and do hands free over Bluetooth. Under WM I could only do handsfree. Surfing the internet is now almost as easy as on my desktop. Safari browser beats anything else I've tried so far. The on screen keyboard was a worry at first, but it's easy to use, especialy in landscap (I have big thumbs). As a music player, well it beats WM any day of the week.
I know I will eventualy hit it's limitations, and when I do I'll consider jailbreaking, much like using custom ROMs from here realy. Untill then I'll keep an eye on the mobile development and look forward to seeing what happens in 18 months.
Good luck with your search, for now I have found my answer, I hope you find yours.
Mav

Personally I'd go for the HD2, as I rank spec more than software. The iPhone is a but too common and its pricing is a far too high for what you get (mins and txts etc). Blackberry has the same problem its too common, I know loads of people with Blackberrys who only use them for Facebook, but if your the kind of person who send and receieves loads of e-mails get a BB as they do it better than WinMo and iPhone.
Alex

Here we go again..........
Leo of course

Well I have been WM for several years and thought I would give the iPhone a trial. A BIG MISTAKE. Its dredful and im getting a HD2 next week.

I thought i'd add my comments to this, i've been predominantly symbian s60 / win mob for years now due to the fact that they "do" everything. But i think its fair to say that windows in all guises comes with the fact that as soon as you start to ask a bit of it, it sticks it's fingers up at you and stops working (symbian too, but to a lesser degree). Usually resulting in a reboot. I recently had an upgrade to do so i started researching into what i might get. In the end, after a spate with symbian, i v much wanted a win mo device but was ever so curious about the iphone. So many ppl couldn't be wrong, right? I was also deeply tempted by the blackberry bold too. I ended up going for the iphone as the upgrade and bought a TP2 as well. I just couldn't do the iphone thing on its own in case i hated it.
Pleasingly, i don't. The iphone is everything a win mo phone isn't, and vica versa. The iphone is completely dependable, never misses a beat, does what it does do perfectly and apart from some of the crazy apps, completely dull. It is frustratingly good. Even multitasking isn't really much of an issue due to push notifications and the like. I'd love to say the screen res is an issue but it never is. Safari is in a league of it's own. But it is dull. I use it as my everyday phone because it's dependable, but i use my TP2 to mess about with, i've had that many different ROM's on it it's silly, i follow forum progress with different things going on with bated breath, excited to see if they can pull this new rom off, or a linux port. It's exciting, i can modify the hell out of it and personalise it my way. I can send files via bluetooth without having to jump through hoops (unlike the iphone).
So, it comes down to what you want it to do, and if you can put up with less or more customization. There is a lot to choose from out there now and it's hard to decide. Look at the palm pre, and droid, and what about the n900 0n maemo?? Whatever you decide, you'll end up with a really good bit of kit, cos the mobile world it going potty with new stuff at the mo.
Just one last note, in defence of win mo, it may be getting a bit left behind in terms of bling, but it still remains one of the most functional os's out there, it's just that the young guns have caught up now.

Hmmm as I don't like iPhone (because everyone has it) and I wouldn't go Sony Ericsson (because I don't believe in their great ability of doing palmtops), I am personally trying to find reasons for continuing with HTC.
1.Is Windows 7 going to be released "soonish", so that if I buy HD2 now I might get some (hopefully) acceptable o/s?
2.There is also Droid Eris / HTC Dragon / HTC Passion / whatever it is called. If it is "HD2 on Google Android 2.0" then the question arises:
------is it just the case of software? If yes, I assume xda-masters will sooner or later allow easy migration between these two systems, or are there any technological obstacles? If this were true then this would be the best option -> One phone if you get bored - you can always swap to another o/s...
3. What was the market response to Android 2.0? What do you guys think about it, as compared with Windows?

I'm using Android at the moment having used WM for the past few years. It's version 1.5 and I'm loving it. Can't wait for 2.0 to come out for the Hero.
It hardly ever needs a reset - it 'just works'

The HD2 is one bad boy! No one knows when Windows 7 going to be released...maybe 3rd Q of 2010. But WM6.5.1 should be a lot sooner for the Leo...

I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol

mancsoulja said:
I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol
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Well said!
+ 1 for this!
Every new phone and threads start with comparatives...

Very, Very UNFAIR comparison!!!
Seriously, HD2, go against someone ur OWN size (aka Xperia X10, i8910 HD, Motorola Milestone, N900, Acer F1)!
Leave iPhone alone! It's NOT even a smartphone (moreover not even a basic phone as it still lacks some basic phone functionality that people had for over a decade) as it doesn't even do multitasking...
What's "blackberry"?
bye

Quest for the best qwerty android

Hey Folks,
So a few years ago I had a HTC G1, and loved the rooting game and thus was on this great site quite a bit. Since then I moved on to love blackberrys and currently own a 9900. I love how data and overall efficient BB's are, but thats neither here nor there. I am not here to dispute this, to each his own..
I have possibly considering a return to android (self professed mobile-ADHD here) and differently am thinking about which android is the best phone with a qwerty..
Seems like there are few options out there...
1. Motorola Admiral
-solid phone but not the greatest display and CPU
-no 4G but I love how its sturdy and military grade
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2. HTC G2
-solid follow up to G1 but seems processor is a bit 'outdated'
3. Droid 4
-sounds like the keyboard is real solid here
Any thoughts or opinions? (Just looking for a good natured dialogue here) I am leaning towards the admiral to be honest but wanted to turn to you experts. Perhaps I am over looking another mobile out there.
thanks!

austriker27 said:
Hey Folks,
So a few years ago I had a HTC G1, and loved the rooting game and thus was on this great site quite a bit. Since then I moved on to love blackberrys and currently own a 9900. I love how data and overall efficient BB's are, but thats neither here nor there. I am not here to dispute this, to each his own..
I have possibly considering a return to android (self professed mobile-ADHD here) and differently am thinking about which android is the best phone with a qwerty..
Seems like there are few options out there...
1. Motorola Admiral
-solid phone but not the greatest display and CPU
-no 4G but I love how its sturdy and military grade
2. HTC G2
-solid follow up to G1 but seems processor is a bit 'outdated'
3. Droid 4
-sounds like the keyboard is real solid here
Any thoughts or opinions? (Just looking for a good natured dialogue here) I am leaning towards the admiral to be honest but wanted to turn to you experts. Perhaps I am over looking another mobile out there.
thanks!
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Have you looked at the HTC desire z ?
Beamed from the Dark Side using xda premium.

As a warning before you start: the stronger, "flagship" phones are generally keyboardless (blame the iphone for that). I'm afraid that going for exclusively keyboard phones would probably leave you disadvantaged. I would definitely suggest trying a touchscreen; it's not that terrible to get used to.

The Droid # series have some pretty good keyboards, but you'll have to deal with Motorola's locked down bootloader and slow updates. Despite that the community here has ICS ROMs out already.
What carrier do you plan on going with, are you staying At&t or are you willing to switch?
- You can get a Droid 3 for free with a 2 year contract from many places. Compared with the Droid 4, the Droid 3 has a removable battery, no 4G, only 512MB vs 1GB RAM, and Motorola has promised the Droid 4 ICS.

enigmaamit said:
Have you looked at the HTC desire z ?
Beamed from the Dark Side using xda premium.
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That is the same as the G2. So yea I have; it was the phone I was looking at last summer but now it seems its just a tad outdated..
spunker88 said:
The Droid # series have some pretty good keyboards, but you'll have to deal with Motorola's locked down bootloader and slow updates. Despite that the community here has ICS ROMs out already.
What carrier do you plan on going with, are you staying At&t or are you willing to switch?
- You can get a Droid 3 for free with a 2 year contract from many places. Compared with the Droid 4, the Droid 3 has a removable battery, no 4G, only 512MB vs 1GB RAM, and Motorola has promised the Droid 4 ICS.
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Also I do kind of prefer HTC over motorola as it seems their phones are more open(ish) and I also think their build quality is more solid/more professional and less consumery. (if that makes sense lol)
I think I would probably want to stick with att perhaps but am willing to test the waters. I was thinking about giving sprint a test run with the admiral (lame its locked to their network).
I found another contendor! The HTC MyTouch Slide 4G. Seems like a pretty great keyboard, dual core processors and made by HTC. Also I know its a small point but I like the optical scroll-pad on it (like the G1 scroll ball or BB pad).
Thanks for the input people!
Think its time for some photos to illustrate this thread..

thebobp said:
As a warning before you start: the stronger, "flagship" phones are generally keyboardless (blame the iphone for that). I'm afraid that going for exclusively keyboard phones would probably leave you disadvantaged. I would definitely suggest trying a touchscreen; it's not that terrible to get used to.
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Yea I realize that, its a bit unfortunate that seems all the companies are obsessed with big screens and no keyboards for their flagships. I think if one of the big ones would just make a fantastic phone with the qwerty they would have a real winner.. If only if only.. THanks for the warning though; I have tried the on screen keyboards and with the amount of emailing I do I just cant compromise on that just call me ignorant I guess

austriker27 said:
Also I do kind of prefer HTC over motorola as it seems their phones are more open(ish) and I also think their build quality is more solid/more professional and less consumery. (if that makes sense lol)
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I'll agree with you on that one, Motorola has become very locked down. I and many others troll their Facebook page asking them to unlock bootloaders like they promised. I would say Motorola's hardware is professional feeling, my Droid 3 feels nice and heavy and has a metal bezel around the screen. Never used HTC hardware so I can't tell the difference. There is a GSM version of the Droid 3 supposedly heading to At&t soon.
http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/general/gsm-droid-3-passes-fcc-muster-heads-to-att-r493

I have a xperia pro. Pretty good pictures, good sound quality, comfortable keyboard. Recommended. I got mine for 150£ (used)

I can affirm the build quality and responsiveness of the droid keyboards. I have the droid 3 and have had no problems with it. My previous phone was the incredible and I preferred touch only phones. Now I'm not sure I can go back.
Edit: I'd also like to add that I do like the responsiveness of HTC software. It blows Motorola out of the water. My droid 3 runs choppy if I'm using stock. The incredible was zippy and smooth by comparison.

SE Xperia Pro

looks good. dang I did not realize it was running android. assumed it was some crazy SE OS

G2 Desire Z
Just wanted to add some thoughts on this topic as I believe keyboard phones are grossly under-represented throughout most U.S. carriers.
The G2 is in my opinion ( after owning over 24 different Android devices) is the most capable and customizable qwerty phone out there. Once you have rooted it, put a solid ROM on it and overclocked it ( I have mine at 1.5Ghz no issues) you have one of the best devices out period. I cannot get used to on screen keyboards and I know I am not the only one so lets hope they make a G3.
G2:
Great screen
Great Battery life
4G
Keyboard
Boot-loader unlocked
Tons of ROMS
Good call quality
Overclockable CPU

A.I Keyboard definitely the best keyboard out there.

Hermetics said:
Just wanted to add some thoughts on this topic as I believe keyboard phones are grossly under-represented throughout most U.S. carriers.
The G2 is in my opinion ( after owning over 24 different Android devices) is the most capable and customizable qwerty phone out there. Once you have rooted it, put a solid ROM on it and overclocked it ( I have mine at 1.5Ghz no issues) you have one of the best devices out period. I cannot get used to on screen keyboards and I know I am not the only one so lets hope they make a G3.
G2:
Great screen
Great Battery life
4G
Keyboard
Boot-loader unlocked
Tons of ROMS
Good call quality
Overclockable CPU
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Ooohhh man, you mentioned overclocking and I actually looked at some G2's on ebay tonight. Oh so tempting. If I remember right, the CPU and RAM are just some of the lacking categories (which is from it being released 'awhile ago now').. What do you think comparing it to a droid 4 or mytouch 4g slide? Those are 3 phones in contention right now for me, as I look to re-enter the android qwerty world..

i think the concept of taking an input mechanism that was designed for 10 fingers and two hands and minimizing it into a tiny mush is really silly, and outdated - even worse with real buttons instead of software keys. why would anyone still buy that? on smartphones you enjoy things like swype, 8pen, messageease, snapkeys, beeraider, etc. many more will crop up and re-define one/two-finger typing on smaller devices, in a year or two the mere thought of tapping out texts with these silly mini-keyboards will probably sound ridiculous to us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuP6AQPRpUg

molesarecoming said:
i think the concept of taking an input mechanism that was designed for 10 fingers and two hands and minimizing it into a tiny mush is really silly, and outdated - even worse with real buttons instead of software keys. why would anyone still buy that? on smartphones you enjoy things like swype, 8pen, messageease, snapkeys, beeraider, etc. many more will crop up and re-define one/two-finger typing on smaller devices, in a year or two the mere thought of tapping out texts with these silly mini-keyboards will probably sound ridiculous to us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuP6AQPRpUg
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Hardware keyboards provide better feedback than software keyboards. Haptic feedback is nowhere near as good as feeling the physical keys themselves. For regular texting Swype is just as fast if not faster than a real keyboard.
But if you like to use a terminal, dos emulator, or anything that doesn't use many real works and a lot of symbols a physical keyboard is much better, plus you don't lose the space on your screen.

i think experia pro is best , big button, simple but effective

spunker88 said:
Hardware keyboards provide better feedback than software keyboards. Haptic feedback is nowhere near as good as feeling the physical keys themselves. For regular texting Swype is just as fast if not faster than a real keyboard.
But if you like to use a terminal, dos emulator, or anything that doesn't use many real works and a lot of symbols a physical keyboard is much better, plus you don't lose the space on your screen.
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sure, just sayin' - i run a webserver aswell and do alot of shell hacking, but i'd probably still prefer a bluetooth pad than sort of crippling the device with a fixed miniature 10-finger keyboard. but i just mentioned it in case someone didn't know, i've been using the android on-screen keyboard for a long time, way too long, unaware that there's something different.

Droid vs Mytouch 4g vs G2
austriker27 said:
Ooohhh man, you mentioned overclocking and I actually looked at some G2's on ebay tonight. Oh so tempting. If I remember right, the CPU and RAM are just some of the lacking categories (which is from it being released 'awhile ago now').. What do you think comparing it to a droid 4 or mytouch 4g slide? Those are 3 phones in contention right now for me, as I look to re-enter the android qwerty world..
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Good points! Let me see if I can address some of the other options and why I don't think they are as good.
First off i do like the Droid line of phones and think they can be a real alternative to the G2. I am not sure that there are as many ROM's for the Droid line but all you need are a few good ones to make it worth it. The mytouch 4g i owned but felt its keyboard was too flush to be of real use.
An important fact to consider is that if you by a Droid from Verizon it is locked on that carrier and there is currently no other carrier in the U.S. to switch your phone over to and still have 4G working. With T-mobile you can use your phone over seas no issues but would also not have 4g if I wanted to use it on AT&T.

Try the Verizon Samsung Stratosphere which is one best qwerty keypad smart phone. It has sliding full QWERTY keyboard and 4G LTE connectivity.