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Is it worth it to switch to moto xt720 from a Samsung Wave

Guys please help me out. Is it worth it to switch to moto xt720? My current phone is Samsung Wave. Thanks

here's my view
Bada OS = sucks, no freedom, no choices
phone itself = good phone and amazing AMOLED screen
so if you are satisfied to have a phone that is a phone, and works, and able to take pictures, then there is no need to change
but if you want the wonderful FREE stuff that you get off Android Market, then you'll need an Android Phone
and the XT720 is a very good phone that serves all purposes, it might not be the top of the line, but it can keep up without a sweat
a bit shy on the battery life
however... the if you were using a WAVE, that means you were on a 3G HSDPA 900 / 2100 network
the XT720 runs on 3G HSDPA 1700 / 2100 network
are you sure that is compatible?

Thanks for the reply bro. Yeah I['m still in a dilemma of I should switch. I never had any android phones before. That's why I think that xt720 would be a good starting phone for me to try android. but the thing that is holding me back from switching is that xt720 is only runs 2.1 eclair. the phone memory is too low to isntall many apps. I read somewhere that you can use a certain app or hack that let's you install the apps on the memory card, but it also stated that it still uses some part of the phone memory,.
I got bored on this bada os. No customization, very simple and mimimalistic interface.

the memormy may be small. It's not laggy at all with more than 1 widget and multiple apps open (even w/o overclock). And 2.1, alright, but Dexter is working on the 2.2 port and he's gonna throw out a bèta one of these days. So 2.2 is on it's way and if the kexec crack starts to work good, then we could also have newer android versions later this year. So updates are not a problem for now.
To the TS I'd say: throw away that Wave and get yourself the XT720 It's a really good Android-phone and like AllGamer says: not the top of the line, but it sure can keep up and the camera is really good, hardware too and it just does what it does and that's what a phone needs to do IMHO: do what it does.
But indeed, check the MHz to see if it's compatible.

to the TS: since u are geting a new phone please DO NOT settle for anything less than froyo and 512MB ram or you'll be regret. speaking from experience, i own the xt720 and my wife's nexus one runs wayyyy better with the additional ram. the ram really helps when u have many apps running

en0203 said:
to the TS: since u are geting a new phone please DO NOT settle for anything less than froyo and 512MB ram or you'll be regret. speaking from experience, i own the xt720 and my wife's nexus one runs wayyyy better with the additional ram. the ram really helps when u have many apps running
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I have 3 phones - HTC Desire HD, HTC Desire and this xt720. The xt720 (with O.C.1000) is laggiest of all. The response is much slower than the other two. Granted, it's rather unfair to compare the Desire HD with this due to the price. However, the usage experience is very bad.
Put it this way, I listen to music, fine. When a call arrives, it takes 2 seconds to unlock the screen because the screen stalls for that long. After that, I missed the call and have to wait another 2 seconds for the contact list to pop up so that I can call back. I dont have any of the issues with the HTC phones. Context switching is SLOW on this phone and no surprise, that IS the memory (RAM) being so small.

anonaye2 said:
I have 3 phones - HTC Desire HD, HTC Desire and this xt720. The xt720 (with O.C.1000) is laggiest of all. The response is much slower than the other two. Granted, it's rather unfair to compare the Desire HD with this due to the price. However, the usage experience is very bad.
Put it this way, I listen to music, fine. When a call arrives, it takes 2 seconds to unlock the screen because the screen stalls for that long. After that, I missed the call and have to wait another 2 seconds for the contact list to pop up so that I can call back. I dont have any of the issues with the HTC phones. Context switching is SLOW on this phone and no surprise, that IS the memory (RAM) being so small.
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dude! your phone is something seriously wrong. most of the XT720 users don't complaint like this.
I've compared my phone with Nexus One (Running 2.1) and to my surprise, Nexus One is way too sluggish.
Moreover, you're comparing the phone with devices running Android 2.2 which obviously performs better than 2.1 regardless of hardware (just compare two Nexus One running 2.1 and 2.2 respectively) . So, wait till Dextor finished porting android 2.2 and compare again. you'll be surprised.

hmm now I'm confused, half says that xt720 is a good phone, the other says it's sluggish and lags. hmm. I still can't decide. Wave is a good multimedia phone, but I'm not using it that much because I already bought an hdtv and I prefer watching in the bigscreen.

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dude! your phone is something seriously wrong. most of the XT720 users don't complaint like this.
I've compared my phone with Nexus One (Running 2.1) and to my surprise, Nexus One is way too sluggish.
Moreover, you're comparing the phone with devices running Android 2.2 which obviously performs better than 2.1 regardless of hardware (just compare two Nexus One running 2.1 and 2.2 respectively) . So, wait till Dextor finished porting android 2.2 and compare again. you'll be surprised.
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Then, obviously xt720 fails for not getting 2.2 from Motorola. Depite high hopes and expectations from Dextor (thanks and keep up the good work!); no offence but the port and time-line is not guarenteed. It's a risk-factor big or small.
For similar >priced< phone, I simply cannot see any reason to get xt720 instead of the HTC Desire -- already working at 2.2 means more features/ performance out of the box. There is no need to overlock, app2sd, JIT, etc etc.
Surely we all enjoy tuning and optimizing our phones (that's why we're here!), but this is no way to expect any average person to do all that just to make the one product "slighly on par" with the other. We are paying similar price afterall.
The xt720 has better xenon flash/ 8MP camera. But, if I want to take a good photo/video, it'll be coming from a proper camera/camcorder.

anonaye2 said:
For similar >priced< phone, I simply cannot see any reason to get xt720 instead of the HTC Desire
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have you ever though about the radio bands?
not all phones works on all 3G networks
maybe the OP is looking to buy a phone that works for the network he/she is using or planing to use.
that was exactly my case, i switched network and all the phones that i liked, did not work on the network, and the only 2 choices were XT720 or Nexus S

[Q] Considering Nexus S .. some questions

I've read through the other considering Nexus S posts and have some questions, and would really appreciate it if someone could take the time to answer them.
1) The phone doesn't have a MicroSD card slot but has 16G internal memory... Does that mean that 16G is used by the system, cache and data partitions? so ideally i only have about 14G of internal memory, which will end up getting eaten by bigger apps like some of the gameloft games etc? or is there an extra system partition?
2) follow on from the previous question: Does that also mean that when i plug in the phone using a usb cable as a mass storage, i can't use the phone because everything is on the one partition?
3) I've been seeing a lot of posts about various issues and bugs with the phone? are they really that prominent or is the phone just not as good as the Nexus One was?
4) How cheap does the phone feel? Because generally speaking Samsung phones feel plasticy and cheap. I have a HTC Desire and that phone actually feels like an expensive phone and i'm currently using the Nokia N8 and the same applies there. And before you point out to stay with the HTC Desire, I need a phone with 1700/2100 band and my Desire doesn't have that band (stupid mistake on my part to buy a cheaper phone from Asia )
5) Is the phone really worth it, or should i just wait a few months and get the HTC Pyramid when it comes on T-Mobile? This is a matter of opinion, but I've always have HTC phones and feel like they make good quality phones ... but I want to get a pure google phone, to escape all the bloatware ...
6) Follow on to the previous question would be ... or should i just get a Nexus one ... same as the HTC Desire but at least has the bands I need and also has the pure google phone experience.
Anyways, thanks for reading the wall of text and much appreciation to whoever who answers the questions.
Cheers

1) yes, you don't really get 16 GB, is more like 14.9 GB
yes, i'm having a hard time with Gameloft games, and my large collection of MP3, as i like to bluetooth stream to my car, and stereo mono head phone.
2) yes, anything that is on App2SD (installed the SD card) will not be accessible in mass storage mode, it's very annoying, and this also causes the losing Ring Tone BUG (Known Issue)
3) they'll be fixed eventually.... many of those has work around
4) the phone does not feel cheap at all, it's excellent quality compared to the Galaxy S line
5) this phone is the best you can get with direct Google upgrades and updates without Interference from Telcos
you don't get updates if Telcos don't pay (the problem with all other non Google phones)
6) Nexus One does not have 2.3 officially, only this Nexus S has 2.3, and it's confirmed will get 2.4
alienwolf426 said:
I've read through the other considering Nexus S posts and have some questions, and would really appreciate it if someone could take the time to answer them.
1) The phone doesn't have a MicroSD card slot but has 16G internal memory... Does that mean that 16G is used by the system, cache and data partitions? so ideally i only have about 14G of internal memory, which will end up getting eaten by bigger apps like some of the gameloft games etc? or is there an extra system partition?
2) follow on from the previous question: Does that also mean that when i plug in the phone using a usb cable as a mass storage, i can't use the phone because everything is on the one partition?
3) I've been seeing a lot of posts about various issues and bugs with the phone? are they really that prominent or is the phone just not as good as the Nexus One was?
4) How cheap does the phone feel? Because generally speaking Samsung phones feel plasticy and cheap. I have a HTC Desire and that phone actually feels like an expensive phone and i'm currently using the Nokia N8 and the same applies there. And before you point out to stay with the HTC Desire, I need a phone with 1700/2100 band and my Desire doesn't have that band (stupid mistake on my part to buy a cheaper phone from Asia )
5) Is the phone really worth it, or should i just wait a few months and get the HTC Pyramid when it comes on T-Mobile? This is a matter of opinion, but I've always have HTC phones and feel like they make good quality phones ... but I want to get a pure google phone, to escape all the bloatware ...
6) Follow on to the previous question would be ... or should i just get a Nexus one ... same as the HTC Desire but at least has the bands I need and also has the pure google phone experience.
Anyways, thanks for reading the wall of text and much appreciation to whoever who answers the questions.
Cheers
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AllGamer said:
6) Nexus One does not have 2.3 officially, only this Nexus S has 2.3, and it's confirmed will get 2.4
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Link for the confirmation?
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I suppose i can live with not having an ad card slot .. I just find it stupid that it is the ONE android phone without a slot...
Does your point 2 mean that that effectively, there is a smaller data partition that is not mounted as mass storage when i plug it in with USB .. Or does it mean that the system partition is big enough that the OS installs everything on that ... So, you don't lose the functionality of your phone while plugged in as storage ...
Thanks in advance for any more clarification
Cheers

alienwolf426 said:
I suppose i can live with not having an ad card slot .. I just find it stupid that it is the ONE android phone without a slot...
Does your point 2 mean that that effectively, there is a smaller data partition that is not mounted as mass storage when i plug it in with USB .. Or does it mean that the system partition is big enough that the OS installs everything on that ... So, you don't lose the functionality of your phone while plugged in as storage ...
Thanks in advance for any more clarification
Cheers
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you only get 1GB of the memory for apps and internal storage. the rest of the 16GB is identical to an SD card in terms of functionality, its just internal rather than being a card.
i still would think 1GB is rather limiting in the grand scheme of things. why not 4GB, for large games and whatnot?

re: funtionality
it was already mentioned in the original reply that you do LOOSE funtuonality, when mounted as a USB stick, and the cause that you lose ringtones settings known bug
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I much prefer the internal 16gb storage on the NS over the 16gb card I had in my N1. With the 1gb partition for apps I never have to worry about using apps2sd and I have enough space left over. At the moment I have ~10gb of music carefully selected from the master collection with plenty of room left over for games, backups and other media. Of course the read/write speeds on the NS internal memory is much faster than on the 16gb class 6 card I had in the N1. Unless you have to have your entire music/media collection on your phone at all times, you won't have a problem with 16gb internal storage.
As far as build quality, the NS is solid and even sexier than the N1. I love the N1 and build quality (especially the cold feel when the phone has been asleep for awhile and you touch the metal housing - greater conductivity and heat transfer from your hot hand to cold phone) but the NS feels very solid in hand, is more durable if dropped, lighter, and the all black look (especially combined with the deep dark black of the SAMOLED) of the NS is very sleek looking.
NS worth it, or should you wait? If you are a true android geek and would sell your first born to try out the 2013 version of android today then go with the NS. If you don't have to have the latest and greatest and aren't then a higher spec'd phone might make more sense. Then again, with the developer support around here there usually isn't much time to wait to get the new android releases ported, but on the other side if you won't root then a higher spec'd phone may not perform as well.
I sold my N1 recently. I think the NS is a better phone in many respects but I really loved the N1 and having owned it for a year already I was wanted to try latest edition.
Some really nice phones coming out that I would recommend to people but I'm not planning on picking up anything before the next nexus towards the end of this year that should sport a dual core processor etc. and the latest version of android. But ****, it's only February, new toy novelty wears off quickly.
I'm not proof reading this.

Just wait for the Nexus N by Nokia on friday.

JCopernicus said:
Just wait for the Nexus N by Nokia on friday.
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What are you talking about? As far as i know, nokia is as anti-android as most of us are anti-apple ... i highly doubt google will release a nexus phone with them when a nokia exec compared putting android on his phones to 'peeing in your pants to remain warm in the winter'
Post a link to this Nexus N or it never happened.

Nokia is actually siding with Microsoft for a weird change
i wonder why they are doing that, as they have a very strong hold with their own OS on their phones
hard core Nokia fans won't be happy switching to Microsoft for OS

alienwolf426 said:
What are you talking about? As far as i know, nokia is as anti-android as most of us are anti-apple ... i highly doubt google will release a nexus phone with them when a nokia exec compared putting android on his phones to 'peeing in your pants to remain warm in the winter'
Post a link to this Nexus N or it never happened.
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That was a little joke....voila.
Nokia will jump on android, right after they fail so hard with this windows marriage. It's a shame really cause Nokia and Android were made for each other and Google knew it, too bad the big wigs at Nokia were too arrogant to play ball.
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JCopernicus said:
Just wait for the Nexus N by Nokia on friday.
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Not gonna happen.
(Bah, alienwolf426 beat me to it...)

have you guys not followed the recent nokia news and read the leaked memo yesterday from the CEO? seems highly likely that nokia will in fact chose android or WP7 this friday, and abandon its symbian OS. interesting times!

RogerPodacter said:
have you guys not followed the recent nokia news and read the leaked memo yesterday from the CEO? seems highly likely that nokia will in fact chose android or WP7 this friday, and abandon its symbian OS. interesting times!
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Ya its pretty clear that Nokia is considering its options now especially that they're under new management. That internal memo leaked yesterday was just brilliant. Loved it.

kenvan19 said:
Ya its pretty clear that Nokia is considering its options now especially that they're under new management. That internal memo leaked yesterday was just brilliant. Loved it.
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I'm surprised it took them (Nokia) so long to realize. I mean anyone can see they've been on a sinking boat for a looong time now.

pookguy88 said:
I'm surprised it took them (Nokia) so long to realize. I mean anyone can see they've been on a sinking boat for a looong time now.
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But it was a slowly sinking ship. Internationally, they'd held onto the top spot in phone sales up until very recently so they could just sit on their haunches and pretend that the phone world had moved on and becoming irrelevant.

RogerPodacter said:
have you guys not followed the recent nokia news and read the leaked memo yesterday from the CEO? seems highly likely that nokia will in fact chose android or WP7 this friday, and abandon its symbian OS. interesting times!
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so was that memo BEfore, or AFter this news?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/04/nokia-microsoft-announcing-partnership-next-week-possibly-invo/
if i were the CTO of Nokia
I'll actually release both Android series and Windows series, and keep Symbian OS for the non Smartphone line of product
it's best to keep your paths open, and see which one sells better in the long run.
obviously anyone partnering with Microsoft would usually be subject to some dark clause, that you're not allowed to sell competitors products blah blah blah....
that actually was true in several occasion with the Wintel (windows + intel) partnership back in mid 90s and early 2000s, until AMD won the injunction with the governments in NA and EU, back then Dell, Compaq, etc were not allowed to sell non windows / intel stuff, or if they do, it had to be less than 1.9% market share and some stuff like that, those were the dark times in the IT industry

AllGamer said:
re: funtionality
it was already mentioned in the original reply that you do LOOSE funtuonality, when mounted as a USB stick, and the cause that you lose ringtones settings known bug
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Dual Mount SD Widget. It's awesome!
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.protocol.x.USB

AllGamer said:
so was that memo BEfore, or AFter this news?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/04/nokia-microsoft-announcing-partnership-next-week-possibly-invo/
if i were the CTO of Nokia
I'll actually release both Android series and Windows series, and keep Symbian OS for the non Smartphone line of product
it's best to keep your paths open, and see which one sells better in the long run.
obviously anyone partnering with Microsoft would usually be subject to some dark clause, that you're not allowed to sell competitors products blah blah blah....
that actually was true in several occasion with the Wintel (windows + intel) partnership back in mid 90s and early 2000s, until AMD won the injunction with the governments in NA and EU, back then Dell, Compaq, etc were not allowed to sell non windows / intel stuff, or if they do, it had to be less than 1.9% market share and some stuff like that, those were the dark times in the IT industry
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin/
I don't know. Why don't you look at the dates of the two articles?

Well the only opinion on your question I have is for number 4. This phone feels no better or worse than my Vibrant does. I do think it looks a lot better than the Vibrant though, except the screen on my Nexus is bad and putting them side by side makes me want to throw the Nexus at the wall.
I have to say I miss TouchWiz though, mainly the music player, video player, and calendar apps. I can do without the rest.

Is captivate worth it ?

Hey guys I have xperia x10 and interested in this phone. How is this phone? Or should I wait a few weeks to get Motorola atrix or nexus s.
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I'd wait for the next round of phones that are coming out. I'd actually pass on the Atrix, simply because Motorola insists on giving it to us with an encrypted bootloader.

I would definitely not get a Captivate. given that new phones are coming out.
I would even tell myself back in September not to get a Captivate and wait for the phones that are coming out now, it's that bad.
Samsung basically stuck us with 2.1 (unless you do a custom ROM) and more or less once they sell you a phone kiss you goodbye for support for it etc.
Oh yeah, and if a phone has been known to have GPS issues, and you read an official Samsung tweet that their new update fixed GPS, don't believe it.
Stay away from anything Samsung.

Ya, I love this phone, its bad ass. But if you're looking to trade up, give it a little time and wait, this one age hardware wise pretty soon with the new ones coming out.

X10 is not a bad phone to hold on to until something you really like is released. Fyi - I love my captivate. Just disappointed in samsung. With custom roms this phone is great, imo.
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Given the state of [smart]mobile devices today, what can you really say "I'm gonna wait for ____ phone to come out and be content"?
Sure, if you're in the market for a new device you can ALWAYS say "wait for the next round", but the truth of the matter is that there aren't a lot of devices that will be relevant for 10 months. This was one of the things I sat on for months prior to actually buying the Captivate.......mobile providers don't expect you to keep your device for the full 2 years.
I would definitely NOT get a Captivate unless you plan on rooting. That being said, if you don't want to root your phone, if you just plan on living an a stock environment, why don't you just get an iPhone? I mean, what is the point of having an open-source device if you never take advantage of it?
When I was running the stock Captivate it was horrible and I would've killed someone by now if I was waiting on the carrier or manufacturer to feed me (updates). Unfortunately, that is the world we live in. I must say that (I rooted the device within a week of my purchase), I wouldn't trade my Cap in for anything else right now, not even the Atrix. It is more than capable and this is my first Android device, so its not like I'm an experienced ROM loader. I don't have any issues with GPS, calls are fine, I can clock at over 1500 running Firebird2 and Cognition 2.3 (running FroYo). The only "issue" I have is some legacy mp3's won't play (that apparently no one else has this issue) and I'm rather disappointed in the quality of the speaker (after running a few sound amplifier apps).

Skip the Captivate. If you like the sony ericsson phones, wait for the x12's. They're supposed to be out in late March/early April and they look pretty nice.

Thanks guys . You guys are the best.
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When getting an Atrix, it's cheaper to get the phone + computer combo. But why get it if you already have a laptop or tablet? great specs but I would wait a little longer for the next wave of phones.
Avoid the Captivate

WillyWonka23 said:
When getting an Atrix, it's cheaper to get the phone + computer combo. But why get it if you already have a laptop or tablet? great specs but I would wait a little longer for the next wave of phones.
Avoid the Captivate
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From what I have seen in researching the Atrix is that if you want the "laptop" dock you MUST pay for the Data Pro with Tether add-on. Otherwise you can pay the $499 just for the dock later on and will not be required to add tethering.
My problem with this setup and fee structure is that the dock is not a separate PC that uses the Atrix as an AP or external modem. You cannot use it without the Atrix docked because what you see on the screen is being generated by the phone. So what are you really tethering? Not the laptop since you are still browsing with the phone, just with an external monitor and keyboard... WTF? Do they think we are that stupid?
Don

the_ahmadzais said:
Hey guys I have xperia x10 and interested in this phone. How is this phone? Or should I wait a few weeks to get Motorola atrix or nexus s.
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I'd pass on the captivate.....the atrix comes out tomorrow and the inspire is available now.....I'd get one of those before I'd get the captivate....the inspire is insanely fast and smooth and offers the Sense experience, which is great.....and the atrix is insanely powerful.

I have a love/hate relationship with my phone.
Stock ROM is "ancient" now - and AT&T has delayed any software updates for over 6 mos. now.
Plagued with hardware issues - random shutdowns, sleeping death, charge death, corrupt internal SD Cards, and of course a non-working GPS/Compass.
To make this phone work as intended you will "HAVE" to run a custom ROM to get all of the features - that should have worked out of the box mind you - to work properly.
And.. just a personal peeve - the plastic is slick - so I would suggest getting a case. Otherwise it's like holding a greased pig.
But on the positive - the screen is gorgeous, battery life is decent, and once you get it up and running its a great device.
So... uh no I wouldn't suggest getting a Captivate.

The stock Cap is not good at all. But those haven't rooted and flashed custom Roms are missing the boat. The custom ROMS are easy to flash and open up a whole new side to the Captivate!
Mine with the kick butt Paragon rom will run rings around an iphone any day. I've had them side by side.

Johnnie5000 said:
Skip the Captivate. If you like the sony ericsson phones, wait for the x12's. They're supposed to be out in late March/early April and they look pretty nice.
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The new Sonys will be even slower than the old Samsungs, and with less nice screens to boot.
Better camera, but who cares?
Get the Atrix (out tomorrow) or wait for the SGS2 -- Super AMOLED+ dual-core with (likely) unencrypted bootloader. Hopefully the US will get Tegra2 versions for better custom kernel development.

dlwoodjr said:
From what I have seen in researching the Atrix is that if you want the "laptop" dock you MUST pay for the Data Pro with Tether add-on. Otherwise you can pay the $499 just for the dock later on and will not be required to add tethering.
My problem with this setup and fee structure is that the dock is not a separate PC that uses the Atrix as an AP or external modem. You cannot use it without the Atrix docked because what you see on the screen is being generated by the phone. So what are you really tethering? Not the laptop since you are still browsing with the phone, just with an external monitor and keyboard... WTF? Do they think we are that stupid?
Don
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Yeah I think it's all backwards. The laptop dock can't be used without the Atrix which already makes it useless most of the time. That's why I was saying you might as well get a tablet. Why use a "laptop" running off a device that is suppose to be portable. That is what a real laptop is for.

Haha yeah just get a tablet / netbook / laptop instead of that atrix laptop dock.
Anyway, I think you should just wait 'till better phones are released. But if you can't, then yeah get the captivate but be prepared to void your warranty.

Honestly, like every one has said, it depends of if you plan to run stock or not. This is my first time to root a phone and I will never go back to stock again. My cappy is super fast and does everything I could ever want. My old 3g is comparable to a pager now.
But if you want to run stock, the captivate is DEFINATELY not for you. It took me about three days to decide that 2.1 just wouldn't cut it and start doing the research about rooting and flashing.
It is a very capable phone if you're willing to put some time into it.

[Q] Why didn't we all chose the Nexus S?

I have recently seen a YouTube video in which ICS was running perfectly on the Nexus S.
Today I saw a story on Engadget.com that ICS is rolling over to Google employees (those all use Nexus S it seems), and the official release is due any day now.
[http://androidandme.com/2011/12/dev...campaign=Feed:+androidandme+(Android+and+Me)]
First of all, that's cool!
Second, why didn't we all chose to go with the NEXUS S?
Full support, source code in the open, immediate updates....
WHAT AM I MISSING?
Thanks

1.DUAL CORE a smooth as iOS if u may..
2.8 MP CAMERA with Half and FULL HD recording
4.STOCK android(if only g2x had not been with tegra 2 ICS ports would have been very very early for this device)
5.Awesome Build not as plasticy as NS
6.Tegra GAMES(official nor using plugins),
7.HDMI OUT and etc etc...
NS has only one advantage... quicker updates....nothin more literally.
just my thoughts.

I already had a Vibrant and wanted something faster. Nexus S was basically a Vibrant with better software and LESS storage.
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lotherius said:
I already had a Vibrant and wanted something faster. Nexus S was basically a Vibrant with better software and LESS storage.
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Thanks. Are you suggesting that the Nexus S is SLOWER than the G2x?
Ok, so you right. Because I had a Vibrant as well, and did notice just how fast the G2x is. B-U-T, isn't ICS going to change that?

You don't choose a Nexus S because Samsung devices suck. Problematic hardware and questionable firmware. Nexus S is also a single core device and is basically a slightly updated Galaxy S device. Also, if they do a lower power shutdown the internal sd can get corrupted and if you have not previously unlocked the bootloader there is nothing you can do to fix the device and it is permanently soft bricked (has to be sent to Samsung for warranty replacement). The G2X is a far superior device.

benyben123 said:
Thanks. Are you suggesting that the Nexus S is SLOWER than the G2x?
Ok, so you right. Because I had a Vibrant as well, and did notice just how fast the G2x is. B-U-T, isn't ICS going to change that?
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You don't choose a Nexus S because Samsung devices suck. Problematic hardware and questionable firmware. Nexus S is also a single core device and is basically a slightly updated Galaxy S device. Also, if they do a lower power shutdown the internal sd can get corrupted and if you have not previously unlocked the bootloader there is nothing you can do to fix the device and it is permanently soft bricked (has to be sent to Samsung for warranty replacement). The G2X is a far superior device.
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Too right, jboxer..... Although I liked certain things about my Vibrant, there were plenty I didn't. The thing I liked the MOST was the 16gb (12 usable) internal storage + SD Card, and the Nexus S took away the SD Card's additional storage.
And, we are CERTAINLY suggesting the Nexus S is slower than the G2X... single core processor for one... slower Ram if I'm not mistaken as well. Camera quality is worse.
And, ICS may be nice, but it isn't going to turn sow's ears into silk. That is, it won't make a phone any faster than it already is.

Have you looked at what ICS really is? As I in what it legitimately does that gingerbread doesn't?
Aside from looks (which are replicable with themes) its not that much.
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LordButtersI said:
Have you looked at what ICS really is? As I in what it legitimately does that gingerbread doesn't?
Aside from looks (which are replicable with themes) its not that much.
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ICS will fully implement multi-thread processing, which Gingerbread doesn't do. That alone should speed up multi-core devices quite a bit. In Gingerbread the dual cores are inefficiently used.

I have both and I say both are GREAT.
NS has the very best speaker like other Samsung models, and voice quality is decent (not badly compressed like other Samsung)
AMOLED + Voodoo are prefect combination and I fine tuned the screen to perfection.
G2x with Eagleblood 2.4 is GOOD even there are few minor bugs.
It is VERY FAST (2500 on quadrant)
Good color screen (bleeding is minimal)
5GB+SD (I have not tried FAT64 FS microSDXC yet as it's not commercially available).
720p video recording (Google app)

Good stuff!
The reason I brought this issue up, is because me and a friend had a discussion about his next phone (he is now with Vibrant). I said that since him and I are total geeks when it comes to our devices (test every ROM, change themes, and we actually CARE about that stuff [i guess we are bored as well, even though we're not kids anymore] ), then the NUMBER ONE thing that we need to consider, is DEVELOPMENT!
If a device is a good device, but has no dev, no "action" when it comes to ROMs, tweaks, kernels and so on, than it's just not a fun device to own.
A device that is just "plain good" would be good for our wives (and indeed, how awful it was when I tried to show my wife why CM7 is awesome - wow that went bad , but not good for us geeksters

ICS is built for dual-core devices. ofcause nexus s will run ICS but i doubt it's any faster
if not for LG, devs could have released ICS port for G2x with hw acceleration(see the dev forum)
nexus is definitely slower than g2x. the only thing makes it good is official google support

Anyone who had an HTC sensation and move to the Relay, opinions please.

Ok,
I haven't used these forums in a very long time so bear with me.
I have gone through a few trouble phones recently by swapping off Craigslist. My first was am HTC sensation. I rooted and s-off that one but got bored. I moved to a galaxy s2 through some dealing with someone and I loved it. Unfortunately I accidentally broke that one so had to start fresh. I got a Galaxy s blaze 4g because it was in my budget. I honestly hated that phone. Mainly because the small internal storage (2gb) and Not being able to move apps to the external SD. I eventually got someone to trade me that blaze for an HTC sensation which I am back on now.
I guess the way that HTC vs Samsung run they external SD is different because on this sensation I only have 2gb internal storage but I CAN move apps to external SD. So since I have a large external SD space isn't an issue.
But alas I get bored and found someone who wants to trade their relay for a sensation.
Since the relay has 8gb internal storage I am hoping I won't run into the same space issue as the blaze.
My questions I guess are has anyone come from the sensation and if so how do you feel about your choice?
I also notice that rom choices are kinda scarce here but as long as I have a good clean light weight rom, such as cm10 I should be OK as I found that a lot of sensation roms still lagged until I found the perfect one for me in Hypernonsense which has no lag.
Even if I stick with stock Jb and just remove all bloat myself , how well does the touchwiz experience fare?
I don't have the money to just go buy new phones so Craigslist trading is really my only option, but after that Blaze fiasco I am worried to try anything less then the galaxy s2
Thanks for reading my long winded post.

my suggestion is: dont get a qwerty phone if you don't absolutely love/need the physical keyboard.

I have no love nor hate for a physical keyboard . I could take or leave it. I'm more concerned about performance and storage for apps.

Braccoz said:
my suggestion is: dont get a qwerty phone if you don't absolutely love/need the physical keyboard.
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How do I downvote this comment times a billion?

Nardholio said:
How do I downvote this comment times a billion?
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? from what i have seen, most of the people that got a slider and did not care about the keyboard ended up regretting it and switching to a touch only, and in the process they just complained over and over about the phone. qwerty is great but has trade-offs and if somebody does not care about it he's way better off with something else

I guess I should be more specific.
I've had sliders, g1, mt3gs, and although this is a different type of slider, I still use my xperia play. The keyboard I sometimes used but didn't bother me by adding bulk. So I am truly indifferent to the fact that it has a keyboard. My concern is performance and storage.

Dalamar1320 said:
I guess I should be more specific.
I've had sliders, g1, mt3gs, and although this is a different type of slider, I still use my xperia play. The keyboard I sometimes used but didn't bother me by adding bulk. So I am truly indifferent to the fact that it has a keyboard. My concern is performance and storage.
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performance wise, its a bit faster than a exynos galaxy s2, more on cpu rather than gpu, but it's not a dramatic increase. about the storage, i still haven't figured it all out yet, because the internal/external sdcard thing is quite a mess tbh. on stock rom, going into settings->memory shows 5,06 GBs total, which seems to be shared for application and user space (and now that i think about it, that should be the default for phones with android >= 4.0)

You mentioned getting "bored" with phones easily. I'm not sure what that means, but if it means you are a flashaholic then there's not a lot of options, there's a cm9 we've stopped working on, a cm10.1, and stock. There is an AOKP someone produced on another forum using our cm10 base. There is desparate need of touchwiz mods, things like track skipping using the volume keys with screen off, 270 degree rotation mod, undervolt/overclock kernels etc (and you could even produce modded versions of our cm kernel). If you have the aptitude, there's plenty of room for you to be the first to produce these things.
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So to update, I did take the switch to a relay. I must say, it was damn snappy without the need to root. The keyboard was actually pretty good too. Although it was a good phone I was offered another trade for a GS2 which was my favorite till I killed my last one. But I will say to anyone looking at the relay, it is a pretty sweet device.