Bought the G Tablet from Sears. Used both TNT and Vegan. After so many tweaks got the market and most of the apps to work, BUT there was always an issue with something.. and always something else needed to be tweaked.. After losing sleep over it and spending endless hours, I realized it was not worth the effort for some of the following reasons...
There are some tablets that you don't have to spend all this effort to get the full market.
There are (or will be soon) tablets you can dial out with sim card, or have built in data card if you wish.
Used the Samsung Galaxy (Verizon) for few days and quality was noticeable. you pay $200.00 more BUT everything works... Confirmed with Verizon, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GET THE DATA PLAN. (which by the way starts from $20 a month, and it is month to month with no contract, if you chose to get it).
You can get a part time job on the amount of time you spend to get this stupid device to work (at the end it does not.. at least not fully functional) and probably make enough $ to buy a brand new galaxy and more...
So.. I gave up and returned mine... It is really not worth my time... Those you like to play and hope to get this working.. good luck..
Wrong forum... But to me it is worth it. Sorry it isnt for you.
Why do people think the Galaxy Tab is only a little more money?
It's not $200 more. It's $200 more at the start, plus the cost of a data plan. I personally think the Galaxy Tab is ridiculously expensive, over time. If I had to choose between only that or a WiFi iPad, I'd just buy the iPad.
Yes, the Gtab is a PITN because it's so bleeding edge and the software hasn't caught up with the hardware, yet. But that's part of the charm -- the mods are pretty stable so it's usable with just a firmware update. It's not overly complicated.
Again, I don't see the appeal of the Galaxy Tab. When they have a WiFi only version for $400, then maybe I'll take a second look.
Most of us got a G Tab because we are habitual early adopters. And because we wanted a 10" capacitive touchscreen tablet. And because we wanted a Tegra 2 tablet. And mostly because we saw how hackable it was, how easy to root, and how easy to install custom ROMs.
The Galaxy Tab is none of those things (7", Samsung hummingbird, only just got clockwork mod recovery 2 days ago, etc.). But it's obviously a much more polished device out of the box.
We all know the software on this thing was garbage, and we know that the modded ROMs are all lacking a bit of polish still, but the latest stuff like Vegan tab beta3 is totally usable on a day-to-day basis for most of us. But probably wouldn't be smooth enough for everybody's needs.
Obviously, if you find yourself "losing sleep" because of your tablet device, by all means, I suggest returning it!! This is supposed to be fun, not a pain. If it's a pain for you, there are obviously other devices out there that don't require so much screwing around to get working well.
So... to do the math for some that do not read the numerous comments and threads on the cost difference between the gtab and galaxy tab = 2yr contract equaling around $1440 for 3gb a month. or 1080 or about that for 1gb. So ALOT more then the gtab. I have played with the galaxy tab and it is nice. But not worth it and very little chance of upgrading.
Oh I also agree with the above post, ease of modding on this tab is great! Plus the ability to bring it back from a bad flash have made me keep this tablet. This has saved me more times then I can count and that is huge!
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Most of us got a G Tab because we are habitual early adopters. And because we wanted a 10" capacitive touchscreen tablet. And because we wanted a Tegra 2 tablet. And mostly because we saw how hackable it was, how easy to root, and how easy to install custom ROMs.
The Galaxy Tab is none of those things (7", Samsung hummingbird, only just got clockwork mod recovery 2 days ago, etc.). But it's obviously a much more polished device out of the box.
We all know the software on this thing was garbage, and we know that the modded ROMs are all lacking a bit of polish still, but the latest stuff like Vegan tab beta3 is totally usable on a day-to-day basis for most of us. But probably wouldn't be smooth enough for everybody's needs.
Obviously, if you find yourself "losing sleep" because of your tablet device, by all means, I suggest returning it!! This is supposed to be fun, not a pain. If it's a pain for you, there are obviously other devices out there that don't require so much screwing around to get working well.
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I couldn't have said it better mayself. I will echo "If you find yourself losing sleep because of your tablet device, by all means return it." This is a hobby for lots of us here. By its nature, this site (xda) is for developers and early adopters. If you're a regular consumer, then this definitely is not the tablet for you.
I love mine. I love being ahead of the curve. I love being part of the community that is making this device live up to its potential. You couldn't pry this out of my fingers if you tried.
But, to each his/her own. Good luck with whatever tablet suits your needs out of the box.
Get your facts strait. Call Verizon or go to one of their store, you will discover data plan is NOT mandatory.. price is $599 regardless, with or without the data plan...
Re "I love being ahead of the curve.".. wow.. with 1.3 mp camera, you think you are ahead the curve?
Not wanting to feed the troll but my response is...
Yes, it's worth it. I use my 10" tab more than I use my phone now. All the things I was doing (except phone calls and texting) I do on my GTab.
$200 more for a smaller, slower, less capable device just doesn't strike me as a good purchase choice (talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab) since "I" was looking for a capable 10" WiFi only Android 2.2 tab.
Market access - check
Web browsing - check
Gmail + Calendar - check
Flash - check
And all my apps work on it just fine (I have a few guitar chord apps, TapaTalk forum app, Angry Birds, Paper Toss, Facebook, Audio Galaxy, etc...)
I can't see anything I'm missing in this larger (10"), faster (Tegra 2), less expensive ($399) device. Screen angled viewing is bad...I tend to look directly at my tab so it's not really a problem. Also helps keep prying eyes off what I'm doing
What am I missing?
@turk532 - That's still a lot more bread than the GTab. I got mine for $215 from the Outlet.
$600 for a 7 inch tablet is just plain insane, imo. It's got a nice screen but so does the Nook Color, for $350 less. But yes, you have to hack that one, as well.
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Get your facts strait. Call Verizon or go to one of their store, you will discover data plan is NOT mandatory.. price is $599 regardless, with or without the data plan...
Re "I love being ahead of the curve.".. wow.. with 1.3 mp camera, you think you are ahead the curve?
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That's not really the point though, is it?
Is this device as polished as the Galaxy Tab? No. Does this have more potential at a good price point? Absolutely.
If you aren't willing to take a little risk and aren't enjoying modding your device, return it and find one that is good out of the box for more money. Rude comments to others on the board because they don't agree with your opinion is unnecessary and unwarranted.
I actually enjoy tweaking phones/tablets
Yes for me, its worth it; as a companion device to my HTC EVO when I want to travel light without a laptop.
Phone has a big 4.4 inch screen and does everything well, however prolonged use of some applications gives me eye strain! Viewsonic is nicely priced to get more real estate for browsing, games, remote access and for creating documents. Battery life is good enough for a long haul flight.
Phone can be used to create a 4G wifi hotspot for viewsonic to use, so no need for a data plan.
I am sure the ViewSonic ROMs will get to a very stable state in the not so distant future, in the meantime, I enjoy the learning curve associated with configuring the device. If you are not into tweaking then it may not be the right product for you....
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Phone: HTC EVO with EViO
Tablet: Viewsonic with TnT Lite
I had my mind set that I was getting a Galaxy Tab. 7" screen, polished hardware and software, decent price and perfect for what I wanted. The more I read, the more I knew I was going to get one. Was all set to go after work and pick one up, but I was reading through XDA about my EVO and stumbled across this community for the g tab.
Needless to say, I never made it to the Sprint store. I started reading and following this forum day and night. Learning, researching and listening to reviews. Seen an ad that Sears would have them for $249 and it was a go.
I could not be happier with my choice and so glad I decided to do a little more reading. The hardware is second to none as far as what is on the market today. The software is getting more and more polished with each beta release of the roms these brilliant guys are cooking up.
Is the viewing angle perfect? NO, but it is useable for my needs. For the price, ease of tinkering and changing roms, it cannot be beat!
I may end up getting one of these... any sales looking to happen soon? Hopefully they go on sale after Christmas lol.
The only thing that's deterring me so far is that I don't see any really good ROMs out for this device. I know it hasn't been out for awhile, but I'm trying to figure out if I should just wait for the Motorola tab to come out or get this one.
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Get your facts strait. Call Verizon or go to one of their store, you will discover data plan is NOT mandatory.. price is $599 regardless, with or without the data plan...
Re "I love being ahead of the curve.".. wow.. with 1.3 mp camera, you think you are ahead the curve?
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OK. Now you've shown what you're really here for: trolling.
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I'm sorry you dislike the G-Tablet so much you feel the need to rub it into our faces. I'm opting out of this thread from this point forward.
Playing with the g-tablet is a lot of fun.. I just purchased it past saturday and installed TNT lite 2.2 on it. Just upgraded to 2.4 but got a force close error every 5 seconds. I just loaded Vegan b3. I do programming for living (wrote a couple of android games). It is not about the $200 dollars for me, I just feel satisfied and fun when I play with it. Otherwise, I will just buy an Ipad, 50% of my co-workers have IPad..
" ... losing sleep over it and spending endless hours..."
I for one, agree with above posted statement.
I've been losing sleep since the day I picked it up from sears.
Almost every nite, my wife has to pry Gtab off my hands ...
" Is it really worth it?"
GTab x2 = Galaxy Tab (in term of $$$). ---> I should buy another GTab so I can flash different ROM!
I've had the gpad for almost 2 weeks now and I had a learning curve
for some things. I also, learned alot during that time line. I like the gpad
and it does what I need it to do.
I got it for surfing the net, sending gmail, watching movies and some
gaming too. I'm still missing one game that I play to kill time .. It's
plants vs zombies ... but I hear it's coming in the coming weeks ..
Spending countless hours? on installing rom? How?!
10" cap screen, runs all the apps I want, and is damn fast!
Love my g Tablet!
Anybody who *really* wanted a tablet that was slick and just worked out of the box would just buy an iPad.
Many, if not most people who choose Android over IOS do so because it lets them do stuff like flash roms and add capabilities.
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I want to know why so many people are up for spending $1000 on a phone? Just wondering. I mean I've asked this before, but I wanted to make a thread. Do you all just earn too much money? Are single? College students? Have cash lying around? I mean I paid $300 for my AT&T tilt and I thought that was a lot.
Kraize
I have not yet bought it, but I may do so soon.
I do not earn huge amounts of money, but i do know how to save up for events like this. I dont spend my money on lots of little stupid things, instead i spend my well earned money less often, but on something very worth while.
Some people spend what seems like little amounts of money every day or week on things like cigarettes, junk food, alcohol, etc. This all adds up.
Or every few months on a cheap phone, cheap electronics, etc.
Whereas i will buy one good expensive phone or other gadget that i have researched well. I.e. average joe buys 100 euro phone, 6 months later, 250 euro phone, 4 months later 200 euro mp3 player, and so on, also spending 100 or so a week on things that id call a waste of money, while i buy one 600 euro phone that'll last me a year or two or three.
Also, these WM smartphones lose their value slowly. The Touch Pro will still sell for a good sum in a few months even second hand. The TyTn II still goes for about 300 on ebay. I buy the Touch Pro now for 600, in a year I sell the Touch Pro for 400 say, and buy another 600 euro phone. In 12 months I've spent 400 euro in total while owning the latest and greatest.
I've been a smartphone user for years. I still have a Audiovox SMT5600, that I'd still probably be using if it weren't for the fact that it's only tri-band GSM and I took a job in Scotland, and my company SIM is now Vodaphone. So, I bought a Vox a year ago for the quad band. I've fallen in love with the slideout keyboard, but I always wanted GPS. I'm really waiting to see about the tri/quad band GSM on the Touch Pro, otherwise I might go SE X1.
I too do not upgrade very often. I'm still using a 5 year old Sony 3.2 MP camera. I've taken over 5000 photos with it. I do a lot of research and spend money for the long run. I see the Touch Pro as just that. Lots of features that can be used for the long run. The TP has a long list of features I like, but here are some of the highlights. I like the micro SD slot so I can add more storage as cards become available. I like that it has a 3.1 MP auto-focus camera with flash. I like the GPS and accelerometer as I think a lot of applications in the future will use these. I like the keyboard. I like that the TP has video out cabability and that there is a forward facing camera. I'm ready to go to a WM Professional as it has more software potential than than the Smartphone OS. I like that there are so many people on XDA-Developers that are smart enough and kind enough to share and to unlock a lot of the features that are built in but unavailable without cooking. I'm hoping that the TP will be able to be upgraded to WM7 when it's available. I'll probably get the Vodafone version of the Touch Pro sometime before Christmas as an upgrade, so that will reduce the price some.
well i think the question is more geared toward people who already have a kaiser..like people who spent 400-500 for the kaiser when it first came out and then 1-2 years later spending another 500 - 1000 for an upgrade that pretty much does the same thigns but just slight improvements..i can see someone forking out alot ona new device thats new in al aspects to a new user but i think people forking out the 1000 just to get an upgrade is rediculous...ill just wait till its here in the su and i can buy it on craigslist brand new like i did with my tilt i had an 8525 which i got for 300 brand new on craigslist and ended up selling it about 6 months later for 280 and buying a tilt for 350
Well, because it kicks ass like this gif???
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No, honestly... the last time I bought a PocketPC (in 2004) I also paid about €600. WindowsMobile was/is not meant to be a cell phone OS in the first place. It simply is much more regarding a mobile OS (and hopefully WM7 will finally achieve to differ from the continous "patch it to match it" strategy that MS has been following the last years regarding WM). If you look at the things you can do with a WM device and the software available it is not as limited as some of the cell phones out there... anyways, you can argue that there are cell phones or even other PPCs that can do the same for less.
But well, that is what you have to pay to have it all... all the latest technology squeezed in that "brick". The iphone 3g is not available for much less if you get it unsubsidized...
So why am I buying a Touch Pro?
Because it is the first cell phone/PocketPC in years that finally seems to be able to deliver all that I am currently expecting to have in one package with almost no compromises...
Because my phone is the gadget I use most ofter, I have it around me 24/7 wherever I am, and I use it for lots of different things. I type much more SMS than make calls, so I decided I want a physical keyboard. But at the same time I really hate those monsters like Blackberries and Nokias, I want something small.
And if you think $1000 a lot, you should pay a visit to Brazil. Not only we pay around 70% of what we earn in taxes, a Tytn II here costs $2000. A decent notebook costs $5000. A Honda Civic costs $40000+.
My current phone costed me $800, and it's a crappy Motorola one running Linux.
Touch Pro probably won't be released here for at least 6 months, so I will be very happy buying it for $1200 on the gray market.
Im buying one as it ticks all of my boxes, I just sold my Athena as I was dissilusioned by how poor it was with win video playback and it's use with orb aswell as it's lack of ability to handle the internet properly. I flogged it on ebay and purchased an oqo 01+ ( for those that dont know it is a full windows xp laptop the same size as an athena/ameo ) it is excelent for video and internet, so now your asking what has this got to do with the raphael, well the oqo is a laptop not a phone, so my next phone has to
1) Be a modem preferably as fast as possible
2) Run tomtom because satnav for win xp truly sucks
3) Have a keyboard for easy texting
4) Have wifi so I can use wm wifi router for fullspeed modem use (bluetooth limits at 1Mbps but the raph can run at 7Mbps)
5) Have vga because I hate qvga res i need more screen space
6) Has to be small and pocketable, I already have a miniature laptop on me I dont need two bulky devices
I am going to upgrade to it though, through T-Mobile.
Your assumptions in the first post kinda fit me apart from the college student part lol
I wouldn't say I earn too much money either, about average wages for my area anyway. I am single though, I'm still living with parents and yeah, I basically have a lot of spare cash
5 reasons...
1. It best meets my top 20 list of mobile device hardware/software specifications.
2. I want to silence every Apple iPhone, Samsung i900 OMNIA, Nokia N96, Sony Xperia and Samsung INNOV8 owner...when they all come out!
3. I have several folks dying to buy my TyTN II.
4. I just got my GOVERNMENT STIMULUS CHECK.
5. THE WIFE said I could get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't make a ton of money (just left IT job to go back to grad school), but will get enough use of the pro to warrant the price. I also keep tech for a while (still have my SE P810i) and am willing to buy with contract, so my price/time used should be fairly low.
Features that grabbed me:
* KB -- I'll be typing short descriptions and strings of numbers out in the field and don't want to have to bring my Fujitsu T2010 tablet all of the time.
* Vid Out -- for presentations
* microSDHC -- already have a handful of 8gb cards I use with my nav unit and mp3 player
* wifi/3g -- quick speeds for checking email, sending field data out, input data into web app/db
* WM OS -- hoping to be able to remote desktop occasionally. would love to be able to run local wamp setup (yes, I'm a dreamer), good opportunities for 3rd party apps, utils, cooked rom's, reg hacks, etc.
* improved interface and speed for general pda use (contacts, todo lists, calendar, etc.)
I expect to pay significantly less than $900 with 1-2 yr contract and use the phone daily for multiple activities for 2 years. Not pricey at all imo.
As far as justifying the cost goes I guess I look at what I can sell my previous phone for and factor that into the equation too, I currently have a p3600 which is worth a few hundred at least so that brings the cost down and in my mind I know that if I bought a cheaper phone I would just want to change it earlier, my p3600 lasted 2 years wheres I've had some boring sonyericsson phones and nokias and never kept them for more than a year.
Be carefull
The good:
What's in my pocket? Not "just a phone"..... but a full featured stylish miniature PC with high speed internet connectivity and very good multimedia capabillities, available anywhere - anytime For me it's a good investment, use it for business an leisure...
The bad:
My wife understands me..... now she wants her own.... My kids think it's cool and asked if they can have one too....
XenoV said:
The good:
What's in my pocket? Not "just a phone"..... but a full featured stylish miniature PC with high speed internet connectivity and very good multimedia capabillities, available anywhere - anytime For me it's a good investment, use it for business an leisure...
The bad:
My wife understands me..... now she wants her own.... My kids think it's cool and asked if they can have one too....
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Rofl. I don't think you'll fork $4k+ xD Just get it yourself haha.
Well. Anyone want to give a 15year old ideas on how to buy the Touch Pro? I won't get my upgrade till next year The max my tilt will sell for is about $300-$400. And it's fulled with garmin and loads of other crap I bought :S any suggestion? Where's a good place to get a job for a 15 year old? mall? store? I don't have a lot of time in my day >.> I do a lot of community crap and school takes a well amount of time My parents won't fork even half it's price >.> We're not rich, but my dad think's the Touch Pro is just a waste of money T.T Any suggestions folks? I think the best idea would be to get a job...if I could find one =/
Why I bought one
$950 for Touch pro minus ~$400 for my Tilt on eBay minus $200 towards new phone by my office. So I figure I'll be spending about $350 on my phone all together. If I wait until AT&T version is released, my Tilt will be worth much less (in psychology this is the maladaptive behavior called rationalization). Enough to justify this purchase, not really, but I really, really want it
In my opinion its the same reason people buy bently's over ford Focus's
The htc touch pro is the Bently of phones.
Everyone wants the latest and greatest.
People spend millions of dollars on things that become obsolete within a few year.. I.E. Computers
Everyone just wants the best.
Thats how i look at it.
And thats what makes the world go around.
I am a freelance computer technician and a college student. So I travel a lot from place to place and need to get as much work as possible on the go. And so the Touch Pro fits the bill perfectly.
For me I want something that does it all in one device. I'm starting my new job in September and having this would really help with the organising of my department and my life. Also it looks really cool and I always go for the alternative product, I've never bought anything that's apple and never will because they are not good and I can't wait to show it off to my friends who are against anything that's not Sony Ericsson and like what someone else said I want a phone that I do not need to upgrade for every year and doesn't depreciated quickly and constitutes me changing from a 12 month contract to a 18 month one.
The features speak for themselves. I can't wait to buy one as I'm waiting for the T-mobile variation so that I can get a good deal.
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My wife understands me..... now she wants her own.... My kids think it's cool and asked if they can have one too....
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Now thats funny!
I got free tytnII on contract. sold it for £335, so only have to find £150 for this really.
I buy is because it is easier to take a Pocket PC on tour than separate phone, mp3 player and laptop. I don't really like risking my laptop in our crappy tour van - it's too easy to steal or break.
Hi everyone.
I'm a long time lurker - few times poster and I work as an IT-consultant. Don't make a whole lot of money but on the other hand - I'm a workaholic so I don't have much free time to spend money on.
- I havn't got the Raphael yet either, but as soon as the Swedish version comes around - I will.
The reason is this; It got everything I'm looking for.
I've been using about 10 PDA's and WM devices through out the years and when I got my first VGA device I was hooked!
Two years passed until the first decent VGA phone arrived: The HTC Universal which I carried (or draged) with me for 1½ years until I realized that - it's just to damn heavy.
So I peeked at the Eten Glofiish X800 - but after the bad reviews I finally decided on a TyTN II. It was a really hard decision to let go of the VGA screen but I finally went for smaller size and GPS.
Since then that I've used the Keiser I've really felt that the lack of VGA screen has made my work more dificoult since one of the things I used to do is to connect to my clients servers through RDP - which is almost impossible when you only have quarter the resolution.
So to sum up, A small device with VGA, GPS and keyboard, what more can you ask for?
// Ludvig Fjell
I swear to all that is holy that I am going to go on a holiday rampage the next time I hear "Oh wow is that an IPAD?". Then you get to explain that its an android pad, then you have to explain what android is 80% of the time, then you wake up covered in blood and the police are there... you get the picture. I think I am going to get a custom paint job on the back of mine and get "Not a dam IPAD" airbrushed on the back, with a unicorn and rainbow of course..
Sorry for the rant.
haha have a feeling that will happen when (if) i get mine for christmas. but everyone that knows me knows i HATE anything APPLE so they most likely will know its not an icrap. but others i dont know may question it.
yea, took mine to the inlaws last night to watch the football game (streaming via flash) and I got the same question, "is that and iPad"?? I was like no, it it were I wouldn't be watching flash encoded video on it.
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I swear to all that is holy that I am going to go on a holiday rampage the next time I hear "Oh wow is that an IPAD?". Then you get to explain that its an android pad, then you have to explain what android is 80% of the time, then you wake up covered in blood and the police are there... you get the picture. I think I am going to get a custom paint job on the back of mine and get "Not a dam IPAD" airbrushed on the back, with a unicorn and rainbow of course..
Sorry for the rant.
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No need to appologize for the rant. I had a similar experience. I was waiting in the doctor's office with my son and the receptionist (read: older lady) walked up and goes "don't you just LOVE those??" and I knew she was talking about an iPad. I told her it wasn't an iPad and she just gave me this really confused look when I told her it was running Android.
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No need to appologize for the rant. I had a similar experience. I was waiting in the doctor's office with my son and the receptionist (read: older lady) walked up and goes "don't you just LOVE those??" and I knew she was talking about an iPad. I told her it wasn't an iPad and she just gave me this really confused look when I told her it was running Android.
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Wow, that was my experience at my dentist's office just a few days ago. The only difference was that I wasn't there with my son....
haha yeah when i was getting checked out at staples the girl asks me "what is this is it like an ipad" ....no not really its an android tablet. all i get is a blank stare
Plug a USB thumdrive in and watch their heads slump over in complete confusion
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haha yeah when i was getting checked out at staples the girl asks me "what is this is it like an ipad" ....no not really its an android tablet. all i get is a blank stare
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Even better than that, when I went to get mine from my local staples, I had to get the manager on the floor to go and get it. And she was like "Oh, you don't want that. You're looking for an iPad."
I looked at her bluntly and said "I don't want that piece of crap. I want this." and pointed to the flyer.
Throughout the rest of the transaction, she gave me such a bad attitude. I guess I insulted her Apple fangirlness. LOL
Just about everyone who has seen me at work (Target) with the gTablet has assumed it is an iPad.
This is doubly sad because I used to have an iPad and most of them have seen it plus WE SELL IPADS so there isn't a really good excuse for not being able to tell the difference.
Oh well, I can't really expect most of my co-workers to be familiar with the ins and outs of the tech world. Everyone has something they know more about then the next person.
I have an iPad and G tablet, and there are no comparison. iPAD is much mature platform, and more refined when it comes to the build and screen quality.
Hopefully, someday, we will get there with either Gingerbread/Honeycomb combo.
Besides, shortcomings due to of lack of USB and external storage on iPAD, it is much better platform for non-geeky kind.
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I have an iPad and G tablet, and there are no comparison. iPAD is much mature platform, and more refined when it comes to the build and screen quality.
Hopefully, someday, we will get there with either Gingerbread/Honeycomb combo.
Besides, shortcomings due to of lack of USB and external storage on iPAD, it is much better platform for non-geeky kind.
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If Gtablet was out of box ready, not sure I agree, since without the mod factor, some folks would prefer the gtablet (again IF out of box ready)
1. No iTunes UI needed to move all files (for non modder types)
2. USB host
3. No proprietary connector for data
4. Flash- Some consumers would prefer a tablet that handles Flash.
5. USB host options.
6. Some people like Android and have a phone with it too.
Sad thing is the Gtablet is NOT out of box ready, so iPad wins by default
added: Initial rumors are the next iPad will have USB, but seems anti-Jobs, so seems a stretch of logic based on iTunes UI premise.
Watch this vid, tell me you don't feel the same way! LOL
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I swear to all that is holy that I am going to go on a holiday rampage the next time I hear "Oh wow is that an IPAD?". Then you get to explain that its an android pad, then you have to explain what android is 80% of the time, then you wake up covered in blood and the police are there... you get the picture. I think I am going to get a custom paint job on the back of mine and get "Not a dam IPAD" airbrushed on the back, with a unicorn and rainbow of course..
Sorry for the rant.
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I actually like the "This is not an ipad" sticker idea
Hmmm. I wonder if Canon Copier salesmen get irritated when people ask if their product can product Xerox copies like all the other copiers out there? LOL. Eventually, we're just gonna ignore this and know our product is better than an iPad. At least until iPad 2. ;P
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Watch this vid, tell me you don't feel the same way! LOL
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That was great.. I sent it to my daughters who also have Android tablets. So true.. Apple Sheep!
Whatever Gets You Through The Night
rob_z11 said:
I have an iPad and G tablet, and there are no comparison. iPAD is much mature platform, and more refined when it comes to the build and screen quality.
Hopefully, someday, we will get there with either Gingerbread/Honeycomb combo.
Besides, shortcomings due to of lack of USB and external storage on iPAD, it is much better platform for non-geeky kind.
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I agree. The screen and responsiveness of the G Tablet is no where near as good as the iPad. And the out-of-the-box experience goes to the iPad hands down.
With modding, the G Tablet is still not as slick as the iPad. However, the key here is that the G Tablet can be modded, customized, tweaked, and made to run exactly the way I want it to. If I had an iPad I'd basically better get used to the interface and keyboard because that's what I'm stuck with.
Comparing a G Tablet to an iPad is like comparing a Linux box to a Mac, and there are pluses and minuses to each. It really boils down to what you're comfortable with.
I couldn't care less if people use iPads, G Tablets, Galaxy Tabs or some Windows tablet, as long as I get to use my G Tablet.
My .sig on e-mails sent from my gTab is:
.... sent from my tablet (No, it's not an iPad) ....
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My .sig on e-mails sent from my gTab is:
.... sent from my tablet (No, it's not an iPad) ....
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lovin' that sig
popezaphod said:
I agree. The screen and responsiveness of the G Tablet is no where near as good as the iPad. And the out-of-the-box experience goes to the iPad hands down.
With modding, the G Tablet is still not as slick as the iPad. However, the key here is that the G Tablet can be modded, customized, tweaked, and made to run exactly the way I want it to. If I had an iPad I'd basically better get used to the interface and keyboard because that's what I'm stuck with.
Comparing a G Tablet to an iPad is like comparing a Linux box to a Mac, and there are pluses and minuses to each. It really boils down to what you're comfortable with.
I couldn't care less if people use iPads, G Tablets, Galaxy Tabs or some Windows tablet, as long as I get to use my G Tablet.
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That's true, but I am very much against Apple's stand when it comes to Flash, and that's why I have resisted getting iPhone, and got Evo, but I got iPAD as the gift, and loving it.
That being said, I love my gTablet, but it would have been nice if Viewsonic could have done better job in picking up the right screen for it?
Being tablet, screen quality is 60% of the user experience, and 40% is flash. Usability of modding such as copying files between your home network and tablet is gravy in my opinion, but not needed if it can do Browsing and apps successfully.
I am not looking to replace my laptop with tablet, as I will still need laptop to power browsing such as Firefox with 14 tabs open, adblock, session saver and list goes on.
To me, it really sux to see that Google can't put killer browser in their own OS, and gmail integration sux on tablet, as Gmail is nicely integrated in iPAD's client.
At least 10 of my friends have asked the same dumbazz question. In there defense they are not as smart as me . They ask if I like it and I tell them I love it, they ask how much it costs and they seem interested and ask if they should get one over the IPad. I say no. This device as it is right now is perfect for a technically inclined person who loves to play with the device and get it running different roms. Its not ready for an average user. I also know that if they buy one I will be in charge of technical support for the life of the device and I dont want that responsibilty.
I bought my gtablet 2 weeks ago. I have 30 days to return the baby. Following are my questions.
1. I know lot of pundits are calling 2011 as the year of tablets. Did I jump the gun and bought it too early? gtab's spec was the reason for the buy.
2. Do you think in the future they will release firmware update to honeycomb since google doesn't recommend froyo for tablets?
3. lot of the current apps dont work.
4. you tube streaming is horrible.
5. last but not least the screen.
I appreciate the efforts of several guys on this forum for supporting the device. however I am still on the side line as far as introducing other roms on the device. so it limits my gtab to some extent.
Difficult question to answer since it ultimately depends on your expectations and personality. Viewsonic has (recently) been pretty good about releasing updates and working with the dev community here at XDA; that indicates that there is a possibility (not certainty) that they will continue to do so into the new year. The G-tablet's hardware will support Honeycomb, so it is reasonable to expect them to release an update IF Honeycomb is released within Q1 or Q2 of 2011.
If you are holding back on loading a rom, the question we need to know "why" before we can give you more meaningful advice. If you're holding off because you're considering returning the unit, that's one thing (and understandable). If, however, you are uncomfortable loading roms, that's another. All I can tell you is that the G-Tablet is a fantastic device with both VEGAn and TnTLite--much better and faster than stock TnT. I anticipate the XDA devs will probably actively develop/improve their roms for at least Q1 & Q2; probably longer if Honeycomb is released within that timeframe. We must acknowledge, however, that Viewsonic's recent updates are making strides into improving the user experience, so that remains an alternative. Bottom line: if you're willing to educate yourself on loading roms and doing the market fix, the G-Tablet is the best bargain out there currently.
As to some apps not working, some apps don't work on my HTC Evo either. The G-Tablet seems to run most apps very well. This is surprising since Froyo & Gingerbread apps aren't really designed for tablets. I see no reason to be alarmed regarding the G-Tablet's ability to run apps or play YouTube currently (which I have no problem with on TnTLite or VEGAn).
There will be better tablets released this year. For one thing, the G-Tablet's screen is poor quality when viewed at an angle. Also the front facing camera is mediocre at best. Other than those 2 issues, the hardware is very solid and will probably not be surpassed until Q3 of 2011.
no. do not keep it. i had one last week for two days (long enough to experience the latest update). its not great without the willingness to mod it by the end user.
today i bought a galaxy tab, and its exactly what i was hoping for when i bought the gtablet last week. sure, i now have a monthly data subscription, but only for the first 6 months (tmobile) and then i can drop it. and yes, i did spend more on the device... but maybe thats why the viewsonic product was so bad, because its an entry model device based on awful software and flimsy hardware (mine creaked).
the samsung has everything i was looking for... android market, swype, youtube, flash, etc. etc. etc... its just awesome.
dont wait too long to return. youll be sorry.
No one can answer that question for you, it is for you to decide. Not even the above poster's answer is valid - except for him and his experience. I also tried the Galaxy Tab and I hated it. Yes, much nicer screen, but the seven inch size was a no go for me. Everyone's needs and experience is different so don't do anything based on what someone here tells you to do.
If you feel up to mod'ing the G you can end up with a nicely functioning tablet, albeit with a screen that has a lousy viewing angle, but, on the other hand for a lot less money than other alternatives.
I am a total noob to Android and went to the irc chat room for the G and someone there walked me through the rom change. I now have a nice unit, runs smoothly, fairly fast and its doing what I need it to do. It still has a lousy screen viewing angle but I also have an extra few hundred bucks in my pocket that I didn't have to put out for a Galaxy that I didn't like.
Ultimately it has to be your decision. There are a number of people in here who are willing to help out if you want to take advantage of their help.
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Take it back quickly. Get the Galaxy Tab......wait...didnt I just hear they are locking down the bootloader on it. No Gingerbread or Honeycomb unless Samsung lets you have it. So it has the the potential of being outdated already. But seriously, if your having 2nd thoughts about a purchase....RETURN IT!!!! It's your money. Why would anything we have to say have any bearing on your remorse.
If you're having buyers remorse already then I would say return it. Usually when someone asks a question like that they have issues or gripes with the device. This tablet has the hardware to be great and the software is catching up to it. There is a decent backing behind the product and that's a great thing. As for the screen users have been running tests with other screens to try and find an alternative.
For me I personally love modding my device to make it my own. If you're the type of person that wants a complete out of the box working tablet then I would return it.
I don't think any of the tabs out today has an advantage over the other. If ur gonna return the gtablet, don't get anything else that's out right now. I would just wait a few months. Or at least wait til the prices drop on the alternative tablets.
As other posters has said, u haven't seen the capabilities of this tablet without flashing a rom or modifying the stock ui.
Just to answer some of ur questions
No I don't think u bought it too early because tegra 2 tabs are gonna be expensive next yr albeit they will probably have better screens and camera. You just purchased a tablet with next years hottest cpu at a pretty fair price.
Yes, viewsonic has earned my trust that they will update this device. I also have the utmost confidence in our current devs to bring us faster roms.
All the apps I have works. If ur talking about the g sensor games then I would agree but that's not a lot of apps.
You tube streaming is super fast on my vegan tab. Other flash sites too! Especially justin tv. I have a wireless n router and when I stream from those sites no stutter at all.
And the screen...umm no comment lol.
Overall, I'm happy with my purchase and u should be too unless u got extra money to spend and/orthe patience to wait til next yr.
No....send it to me.
Thanks everyone. I am not new to android. Mt3g and currently vibrant. But never flashed a rom. So nervous. Things I like are hardware and no contract. On top of that I got it for 30% off. So really a bargain. But I offset it by buying extended warranty.
Called viewsonic cs but that number is not working. Tried 4 times, after the automated voice and 10 mins hold the call disconnects and it got me concerned.
nexusonemeover said:
the samsung has everything i was looking for... android market, swype, youtube, flash, etc. etc. etc... its just awesome.
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Funny, I can say the same things about my GTablet. Granted, it's maybe 95%-98% of the Market, and I had to tinker with it, but I'm a big boy who likes to tinker.
Unfortunately, the devs here have taken away some of the fun by making it so easy to download and flash the rom.
But hey, glad you are enjoying your Galaxy Tab. And if you were so unhappy with your GTablet, stop trolling the GTablet forums.
-=Sent from my VS GTablet (VEGAn b4) using Tapatalk=-
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Funny, I can say the same things about my GTablet. Granted, it's maybe 95%-98% of the Market, and I had to tinker with it, but I'm a big boy who likes to tinker.
Unfortunately, the devs here have taken away some of the fun by making it so easy to download and flash the rom.
But hey, glad you are enjoying your Galaxy Tab. And if you were so unhappy with your GTablet, stop trolling the GTablet forums.
-=Sent from my VS GTablet (VEGAn b4) using Tapatalk=-
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ill rephrase for the sensitive folks... some people need (or want) the device to work out of the box, no changes required. the gtablet just isnt that device.
in an increasingly crowded marketplace where devices are getting better and better at launch, a device like the gtab takes a backseat for out of the box readiness. yes, you can mod till youre blue in the face and get it to do most of what others do from the get go, but having to mod to get it almost there is not optimal for every user.
and to the other deflating comment, i love XDA and i will troll whatever forums and whenever i wish... pardon me for posting an opinion in a public forum.
I was also worried I made a bad decision with my gtab purchase a week ago as well. I came in to an unexpected $400 and decided to treat myself to a gtablet. The day after I got it I flashed the vegan 3 rom. That fixed the "bad software" issue for sure. The my only concern was with the screen. But my worry was 2 fold: 1) viewing angles. 2) "fuzzy" graphics. I'm used to my Droid X having razor sharp fonts and graphics, which the gtab does not. Part of the problem is the screen quality which is related to the viewing angle. I think the bigger part has to do with resolution. The gtab resolution is 1024 x600 pixels @ 10.1" while the Droid X is 854 x 480 @ 4.3". Packing 66% of the pixels into 42% of the screen size helps make things sharper.
So I'm now at the point where I'll keep the gtab. I'm not 100% satisfied, but it's pretty damn good. Maybe there will be luck with finding a better LCD that can be dropped in. If next year a better tegra 2 tablet comes out, then I might just switch and sell my gtab on ebay. I won't get what I paid for it, but I'm hoping to get at least $250 for it. I would have gotten $130 worth of use out of it.
As for flashing a new rom; It is really easy to do with the proper instructions. I had not done any rom flashing since I have a droid x, and was kinda reluctant as well. But now I look back and realize there really wasn't anything to be nervous over. Most of the "caution, you may brick your device" warnings you read are similar to the medical wavers you sign that say "you might die" even though you are just getting some teeth pulled. Yes, it can happen. But most of the time everything works out fine.
I think you would need to be happy with it the way it is today to keep it. There are no guarantees that it will get any further updates from VS. In fact it really seems like a product that they had branded just for the holidays.
I'm still undecided about mine, but I suspect that once I see what comes out of CES, the gtablet will probably go back to Sears.
sam96_77 said:
I bought my gtablet 2 weeks ago. I have 30 days to return the baby. Following are my questions.
1. I know lot of pundits are calling 2011 as the year of tablets. Did I jump the gun and bought it too early? gtab's spec was the reason for the buy.
2. Do you think in the future they will release firmware update to honeycomb since google doesn't recommend froyo for tablets?
3. lot of the current apps dont work.
4. you tube streaming is horrible.
5. last but not least the screen.
I appreciate the efforts of several guys on this forum for supporting the device. however I am still on the side line as far as introducing other roms on the device. so it limits my gtab to some extent.
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ill rephrase for the sensitive folks... some people need (or want) the device to work out of the box, no changes required. the gtablet just isnt that device.
in an increasingly crowded marketplace where devices are getting better and better at launch, a device like the gtab takes a backseat for out of the box readiness. yes, you can mod till youre blue in the face and get it to do most of what others do from the get go, but having to mod to get it almost there is not optimal for every user.
and to the other deflating comment, i love XDA and i will troll whatever forums and whenever i wish... pardon me for posting an opinion in a public forum.
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Sam, I agree with the people who've said that noone can tell you. As someone who prefers not to mod myself, I am right there with you in feeling out the insecurities of dropping a chunk of change on something that may or may not be faulty in relation to actual hardware or that's shaky in terms of future software releases and support. The thing is, in a case like this, we're all early adopters here....and the problem with cookie cutter devices like the G Tablet (cookie cutter meaning the same base hardware as a plethora of devices coming soon) is that it really doesn't get a whole lot of respect in terms of software from the people that sell it because at the end of the the day, they're in it for the money like all companies are but more so they're not all about loyalty or trying to keep customers. If they can get you to keep your device for 30 days - that's money in their pocket no matter what.
That is the raw, real truth of the matter. I have certainly had my own ups and downs with it but unless there's a DEEP hardware issue - I'm not seeing a reason to return mine. If you REALLY don't want to mess around with ROMs and 3389 (newest OTA) isn't satisfactory for you, then I'd say return it. Something faster and better will always be on the horizon, and if you keep returning or waiting for the next best thing, you end up with nothing. And we'll always have buyers remorse, believe me...there's always a reason to return a buy.
At this point, we have no guarantees that Viewsonic will support it beyond Froyo. They have never claimed, nor said they would and when it comes to devices like this. That's a cold hard fact. They're dabbling in the tablet waters, and if it doesn't 'work out' for them they could just decide to call it quits in terms of releasing updates and supporting it. Even if they do decide to go ahead and jump into the market, when they release new equipment we don't really have anyone at viewsonic saying "don't worry, your tablet will be upgraded for as long as it can be". We just have to hope and have faith.
I would say, if you really don't want to nor see yourself modding your tablet. Even in the lightest, then maybe it isn't the device for you. Get an iPad...where you know Apple has a vested interest and will release updates for it as long as it can be updated. But if you see yourself dabbling, even a little bit (it really is pretty easy and for the most part safe), then I believe 100% that this tablet is going to be a powerhouse next year when honeycomb hits (barring any unforeseen internal hardware faults currently).
To Nexus, you've made a point in that the Galaxy Tab IS indeed a great device and workable right out of the box but there are pretty big differences which make them very different. I also think that yes, it is preferable to the G Tablet for people who want that out of the box usefulness. But is the Galaxy Tab a value, I really don't think so. Quite simply, you're paying a lot more for a lot less.
Kind of like buying a VW Bug with great insides vs. a VW Touareg with some glitchy insides (that are quite possibly fixable in the near future).
For one, the Galaxy Tab is single core - meaning right now what you see is what you get. The G Tablet will have new doors opened when Honeycomb allows the second core to be utilized synchronously (I think? and hope). The Galaxy Tab is a 7inch device which by all means is a big difference than the 10inch G Tablet. I have used 7inch devices and they feel like really big phones. Still quite usable and maybe even preferable by some, but not all. The G Tablet feels like flat computer in comparison and the bigger screen is obviously noticeable. The Galaxy Tab is $200 more than the G Tablet without a contract. It is $350 with a contract, but you must have data on the account for, you say 6 months, right? That's still a minimum of $530. Is the G Tablet perfect, no way. But by all means it's great hardware with great potential for a value price right now. The Galaxy Tab on the other hand, is a great out of the box experience fit for anyone out there, but lacking the power and potential of the G Tablet - better screen? sure...but not necessarily a better buy.
Coming from owning a Vibrant, maybe I'm a little biased, but I wouldn't be too sure Samsung will be paying attention to the Tab for too long into next year, especially when the new hotness the Galaxy Tab 2 is released....and all this talk about locking bootloaders etc. I dunno. I feel better that even if VS takes a dump and refocuses elsewhere, at least the devs here will be taking care of us for a while.
^^^ Very insightful reply. And, you made some good points I had not considered.
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sam96_77 said:
Thanks everyone. I am not new to android. Mt3g and currently vibrant. But never flashed a rom. So nervous. Things I like are hardware and no contract. On top of that I got it for 30% off. So really a bargain. But I offset it by buying extended warranty.
Called viewsonic cs but that number is not working. Tried 4 times, after the automated voice and 10 mins hold the call disconnects and it got me concerned.
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30% off!!!! U lucky son of a gun haha. Well that makes the gtab a great buy. I'm jealous.
I was disapointed until Loaded Vegan and did the calibaration fix,also practically bricked it and had to load ubuntu linux cuz windows driver would not work but now i am very happy this thing is so fast!
And mind you the software is not optimized for Dual core processor.
Definately not for the none tech inclined.But if you are willing to root and want a solid Android device this is it!
I could get a galaxy tab but why would i pay for internet i can tether off my evo for free.
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I will try the simple answer. Keep it.
If you dont want it, ill take it for $250. Wont pay $400 for it from Sears and all the "refurbished" ones on Sears Outlet @ $279 are no where close to me and they dont ship.
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ill rephrase for the sensitive folks... some people need (or want) the device to work out of the box, no changes required. the gtablet just isnt that device.
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Completely agree with you. The Galaxy Tab is, in fact, the closest thing to an Android tablet that works out of the box.
Anyone buying an Android tablet before June 2011 is basically an early adopter. If you want something that Just Works(tm), your best bet is to go the premium route and get a Galaxy Tab. If you don't have the money and don't want a service contract, you're going to have to do some hacking in some way, shape or form to get things working.
And yeah, I can be a crabby ***** sometimes.
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Hey guys, I need a little help here,
First off im from Singapore and I first settled on Transformer Prime as the tablet i was gonna buy. I dont know whether the prime is releasing in December for singapore or if they are gonna push it till 2012 Jan. i just wanted to ask if the 100 (est.) bucks extra is worth the advantages and the wait?
What Im gonna use my new tablet for
Entertainment and Productivity substitute for my laptop on the go: Music, Movies, Ebooks, Taking Notes in School (im a student), Internet surfing, mild gaming, Video Conferencing (seldom), taking photos (seldom)
Pricing Details in SGD
Transformer TF101 (with dock) : $699 (may be able to bag a few extra goodies thanks to the upcoming IT Fair)
Transformer Prime (with dock) : estimated $810 - $830
(I'm planning to get the dock also because the keyboard and extended battery life would really come in handy. Was also one of the reasons i chose the transformer over others)
Advantages as far as I can see with the Prime vs TF101
Quad Core vs Dual Core
Aethetics (thinner, more good looking etc) (not a MAJOR issue but it would be nice to have a better looking tablet)
16GB vs 32 GB on board memory (not really an issue cause I have a 32gb microSD which is more than enough memory, worst come to worst just use the SD card slot in the dock for extra memory)
8MP vs 5 MP camera
other than these, are there any more significant differences between choosing Tegra 3 vs Tegra 2, ive read that the overall performance is slightly faster on the tegra 3 but is it worth the wait and the 100 odd bucks?
Thanks! Really Appreciate any help you can give me =)
for what your using it for you could go either way
prime will have better battery life be more future proofed and have more grunt if you can afford it do it
if not tf101 is still a great tab in my opinion
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EVERYTHING is better on the prime, you should wait,
Don't forget the Screen, the sound, everything !
If I were in you I would wait for the release of Prime and go buying the TF101..cause maybe then you will find some offers to buy the first version of the transformer..
Prime will have some bugs when comes out and maybe you have to wait for someone to find a method to root it..
now TF101 is rootable for all versions (also SBKv2) thanks to the RazorClaw method and has already a great active community..
Prime will be lighter and more powerful..but I think TF is just good enough to do what you want to do..
For crying out loud, wait! Wait! Even if it was 3 months out i'd wait.
As stated above, i would wait for 2 reasons... Wait for any possible defects to be identified and addressed first. Then wait for it to be rooted and even wait for a custom rom to be developed for it.
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As stated above, i would wait for 2 reasons... Wait for any possible defects to be identified and addressed first. Then wait for it to be rooted and even wait for a custom rom to be developed for it.
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And by then, Samsung or somebody will have a tab in the works, and then you'll have to wonder if you should buy THAT when it comes out. . . .
As the vast majority of tablet use (mine anyway) is way below the threshold of the device, spending so much money is just crazy just so I'll be on the bleeding edge. To me, $810 is ridiculous.
Buy a TF101 and donate $400 to charity.
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And by then, Samsung or somebody will have a tab in the works, and then you'll have to wonder if you should buy THAT when it comes out. . . .
As the vast majority of tablet use (mine anyway) is way below the threshold of the device, spending so much money is just crazy just so I'll be on the bleeding edge. To me, $810 is ridiculous.
Buy a TF101 and donate $400 to charity.
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That's your prerogative if you want to fall victim to buying everything new thing that comes out. They love people like you. It all depends on what you are looking for...being on the absolute bleeding edge, you come to accept that you may have defects and that your device may not be able to be rooted yet. For me, its a comfortable medium between bleeding edge and functionality. I would rather have a TF101 rev with no defects and with the ability to be rooted and rom'ed, than having a TF Prime that just hit the shelves with possible defects and no possibility of being rooted/rom'ed for a good while.
Tend to agree with a mixture of the above:
Buy what will do the jobs you want to do
The next gen after Prime is probably already being developed
Save some money if you can if the tf101 fits your needs.
Or get a preowned tf for now and then sell it on again to part fund the prime.
My wife asked me the other day what I will be able to do with the Prime that I can't do with my OG Transformer. My honest answer was: absolutely nothing. I realized that there is literally nothing* that the Prime will do out of the box day one that the TF can't do, and over time the only difference will be that the Prime will eventually run some games a little faster/better as they're optimized for Tegra 3.
However, I'll still be getting the Prime, and here's why: it's better in every single aspect of what makes a tablet enjoyable to use:
1. The Prime is faster, so there should be fewer frustrating hesitations and lags. ICS might help that on the TF, but the Prime will still provide a better experience.
2. It's thinner and lighter. I'm actually envious of my wife with her Galaxy Tab 10.1, because it's so much nicer to hold in actual use. The TF isn't _terrible_, but the GT is definitely more pleasant.
3. I can _just barely_ use the TF outside in direct sunlight, if I squint and hold it at _just_ the right angle. With almost double the brightness, the Prime should be very usable when I'm outside on the back porch getting some sun and wanting to read an ebook.
4. The anti-fingerprint coating would be welcome. I spend more than a few minutes a day just cleaning the screen on my TF.
5. The Prime should have significantly improved sound, perhaps the best that's yet shipped on a tablet. I like decent quality sound, and while not terrible, the TF is a bit of a disappointment in this area.
6. 30% better battery life would mean I'll _never_ have to worry about plugging in the Prime during my typical usage patterns. As it is, I'm sometimes lacking just about an hour with the TF and need to plug in. The Prime should mean I never have to worry about it. Of course, having 18 hours with the dock will also be incredible.
7. I don't care about the 32GB vs. 16GB storage, and would rather have a $399 Prime to choose, but I understand why ASUS is positioning things the way they are. And $499 for the 32GB Prime will still be $100 cheaper than $599 for the 32GB iPad 2.
8. I don't often take pictures using my TF, but man, those sample shots taken with the Prime sure do look nice. Hell, those are heads and shoulders better than I get from my Motorola Photon, and so who knows, maybe I'll find opportunities to use the Prime's camera.
The only thing the Prime doesn't seem to have that I wish it did is haptic feedback (I was surprised how much I like it on my wife's GT 10.1). But of course the TF doesn't have it either, so it's a wash.
I'll be willing to spend a couple hundred dollars to upgrade to the Prime (after selling my TF+dock combo) simply because the Prime is so much better. ASUS basically fixed every weakness of the TF, and kept the best thing about it--the dock. That's worth the money to me.
*As I thought about it more, I realized that because it has NEON, the Tegra 3 is better at high-def video. However, I never watch high-def video on my TF, and so _for me_ there's literally nothing.
THANK YOU EVERYONE for you replies, its given me a lot of food for thought regarding this. Being my first tablet, i want to make sure i make the right decision. Thank you so much. i value all your comments =D
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That's your prerogative if you want to fall victim to buying everything new thing that comes out. They love people like you. It all depends on what you are looking for...being on the absolute bleeding edge, you come to accept that you may have defects and that your device may not be able to be rooted yet. For me, its a comfortable medium between bleeding edge and functionality. I would rather have a TF101 rev with no defects and with the ability to be rooted and rom'ed, than having a TF Prime that just hit the shelves with possible defects and no possibility of being rooted/rom'ed for a good while.
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You have a first generation Asus tablet, so are you one of those victims that you speak of? If the prime can't be rooted right away, its not a brick. You can have plenty of use with it until it WILL be rootable. Its only a matter of time. Each to his own, but I'd rather have the slimmer, lighter, faster unit for a bit more cash. Hands down. These things are on a yearly cycle, maybe 18 months. You can't sit back too long or you will be asking these questions about the NEXT tablet, and so on...
Not exactly. I have a B60 revision of the tf, so I didn't buy it the day it hit the shelves. This rev corrected defects in the previous revs. Not to mention that when I bought my tf, it was already rootable and custom roms were already available. It is also my first and only tab to date. So no, I am not the person to go rush out and buy the latest and greatest thing. I will most likely end up buying the prime, but not the day it hits the shelves.
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>However, I'll still be getting the Prime, and here's why: it's better in every single aspect of what makes a tablet enjoyable to use:
I think the hardest thing is to be honest (objective) with oneself. Most of reasons you provided sound like rationalizing, indicated by the "better in every single aspect" hyperbole.
>1. The Prime is faster, so there should be fewer frustrating hesitations and lags. ICS might help that on the TF, but the Prime will still provide a better experience.
>...over time the only difference will be that the Prime will eventually run some games a little faster/better
You're contradicting yourself. Anyway, the lags experienced in normal use are due to the OS, as you said it yourself. The objective answer here would be to wait for ICS, than to pay another $500.
>2. It's thinner and lighter.
Thinness doesn't contribute to being more enjoyable to use. It only provides better aesthetics, which mattered only for a short while. It contributes to the lust of new toys; that's basically it.
The Prime isn't that much lighter to justify the $500 (additional) expenditure. This is rationalizing, unless of course $500 is chump change for you. But if so, you wouldn't have gone through all this soul-searching.
>3. I can _just barely_ use the TF outside in direct sunlight.
How often do you use your TF outside in direct daylight?
>4. The anti-fingerprint coating would be welcome.
A smudge-resistant screen protector would be a better solution.
>5. The Prime should have significantly improved sound, perhaps the best that's yet shipped on a tablet.
Note the "should." And the "perhaps the best" is pure hyperbole. These fall into the "wishful" category.
Ditto for the rest of your proffered reasons.
I'm not saying you should or shouldn't buy. Only you can decide that. I'm merely pointing out the futility of trying to rationalize the purchase of a new toy. Cut to the chase and keep it simple: You want it, and you can afford it. That's it.
I think obviously waiting for Transformer Prime is the best thing you ever do.
Asus Transformer TF101 have sharp edges. It hurts my hand when holding it. Also, the screen is not that sensitive. Asus promise a more sensitive screen.
And with Quadcore, longer battery life, slimmer, nicer to hold, and more future proof, waiting for Transformer Prime is no brainer. This question should not be asked in the first place.
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I'm not saying you should or shouldn't buy. Only you can decide that. I'm merely pointing out the futility of trying to rationalize the purchase of a new toy. Cut to the chase and keep it simple: You want it, and you can afford it. That's it.
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Well, you know, you certainly spent a great deal of time trying to convince me that my opinion is incorrect. So, okay, sure, whatever.
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I think obviously waiting for Transformer Prime is the best thing you ever do.
Asus Transformer TF101 have sharp edges. It hurts my hand when holding it. Also, the screen is not that sensitive. Asus promise a more sensitive screen.
And with Quadcore, longer battery life, slimmer, nicer to hold, and more future proof, waiting for Transformer Prime is no brainer. This question should not be asked in the first place.
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Yes, thanks, I forgot about the increase touch sensitivity. That's also important...
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e.mote said:
3. I can _just barely_ use the TF outside in direct sunlight.
How often do you use your TF outside in direct daylight?
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The only part of your post that I can answer objectively: I live in Southern California. So, you figure it out.
>Well, you know, you certainly spent a great deal of time trying to convince me that my opinion is incorrect. So, okay, sure, whatever.
This is a beeswaxing thread. It's all opinions. There is no right or wrong.
The reason I replied is that you were honest with your spouse, that the Prime would impart marginal utility, but then did a complete 180 in trying to justify it to yourself. The irony of it was striking enough to elicit a response.
I well understand techno-lust. That's why we're all here. There's no justifying it, other than that's part of being a techie.
If I had the money to waste on it... I would. The thing is, everyone else has pointed out good points already, but I think the biggest thing you might want to keep in mind is whether or not you will decide to wait it out even after Prime is released.. you know? To avoid hardware/quality issues similar to people with the first transformer? For example, I got mine around July, and by then, I unboxed my transformer and it was completely usable right out of the box (with the exception of netflix). But there were people who bought it months earlier and had lots of issues and bugs, as well as hardware problems.
So... do you think you can wait long enough for it? Honestly, if you've waited this long, you might as well wait a little longer. You'd only be paying like 100 dollars more than what you'd pay for the transformer, but the expected potential is much greater. The potential might NOT be realized, but it's always nice that you could possibly play better video games and whatnot. Good luck by the way.
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If I had the money to waste on it... I would. The thing is, everyone else has pointed out good points already, but I think the biggest thing you might want to keep in mind is whether or not you will decide to wait it out even after Prime is released.. you know? To avoid hardware/quality issues similar to people with the first transformer? For example, I got mine around July, and by then, I unboxed my transformer and it was completely usable right out of the box (with the exception of netflix). But there were people who bought it months earlier and had lots of issues and bugs, as well as hardware problems.
So... do you think you can wait long enough for it? Honestly, if you've waited this long, you might as well wait a little longer. You'd only be paying like 100 dollars more than what you'd pay for the transformer, but the expected potential is much greater. The potential might NOT be realized, but it's always nice that you could possibly play better video games and whatnot. Good luck by the way.
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This Asus Transformer Prime is 2nd version of Asus Transformer. So it'll be less bug.
You can buy it at the first day launch without big issue.
The only issue might be screen bleeding and dust under the glass. That one you can check it during purchase or return it to get a new one.
>Asus Transformer TF101 have sharp edges. It hurts my hand when holding it.
So the Prime's edges are less sharp?
"Thin" isn't always good.
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Last night I purchased an HP 7 1800 tablet however at midnight this new tablet showed up for the same price. A Pioneer R1 7" tablet, has better specs and a dual-core processor for the same price. It also features Jelly Bean 4.2 instead of 4.1. Also features a mini-HDMI port which is a plus. I decided to cancel the HP order and get this one instead.
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Looks decent and there's a good array of color choices too. I think it's a better choice than the HP for the same price.
EDIT: As of 12PM PST, it is still listed at $89.99. Not sold out yet, all colors available.
Updated it with a link from the Pioneer website instead of a direct Wal Mart link.
Thanks
Thanks for the heads up. I was looking for a tablet for my wife and this seems like a good deal. She wouldnt know the different between this and the best any plus for the price you cant beat it.
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Thanks for the heads up. I was looking for a tablet for my wife and this seems like a good deal. She wouldnt know the different between this and the best any plus for the price you cant beat it.
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No problem, it seems like a better deal than the HP so I wanted to let people know about it that may have wanted to buy a budget tablet.
Not a fan of colors but it leaves some good choices for those who don't want to be bland or plain black/white.
Anyone have any info on this platform, modding, rooting, etc?
Anyone have any info on this tablet?
Can't seem to find any software or much hardware info anywhere. If anyone has one it would be nice to shed some light on this thing.
Since nobody knows anything about this, I'll post a review with pictures when I pick it up on Monday.
Hoping I can root this and put a custom rom on it. KitKat would be awesome.
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won't consider it since I already got my IPAD, but thanks! ;D
This looks like a great inexpensive tablet. Thanks for sharing the find!
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won't consider it since I already got my IPAD, but thanks! ;D
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Thanks, that's very helpful!
Looks like a good deal! Please do post your thoughts!
Picked up the tablet today.
Right off the bat I am disappointed to say that there are marks and scratches on the screen right out of the box. The center is very washed out as well and super grainy. I honestly don't know how this would've gotten past quality control.
This is a big strike and I have contacted Wal-Mart about an exchange. I would go to the store I picked it up from but they don't carry this tablet in store.
So overall I'm not very happy right now considering I waited over a week to get this and it's already disappointing me before playing with it. Maybe I can exchange it for the HP tablet instead. Who knows. Pictures soon.
Where can I find the info necessary to see whether or not I can root this?
System info:
In Android System Info it states the board is a Gigabyte but doesn't give any other detail. Board is labeled as an R1.
CPU Model: Samsung Exynos 4412
GPU Model: Mali-400 MP
Kernel: Linux version 3.0.50-g5f580f3-dirty ([email protected]) (gcc version 4.6.x-google 20120106 (prerelease)(GCC))
Quadrant score.
So far app availability is meh. Can't even download Instagram.
Returned this for a full refund and spent a little more money to get the Asus MemoPad HD7. Should've done this to begin with I guess.
WTF!
Matt - Wish I came across your posting but me & you were on the same page about our purchase @ first. I figured pioneer. You can't go wrong. I am just looking for a tablet since its my first & if I could afford an ipad I would. Interesting that the both of our tablets were scratched up. I am angry as I waited a week & a half & I plan on traveling across the country in a week.
Matt - who from Walmart do I contact for a full refund?
I am still testing the product out but I am unhappy with the screen as well as the scratches. Not cool at all. All that I want is a good tablet for a noob to watch movies & read books.
Seriously, there arent many reviews since pioneer partnered with Walmart to bring this tablet out. I did extensive research before making my purchase.
I most likely will return & head to best buy. Unhappy.
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Matt - Wish I came across your posting but me & you were on the same page about our purchase @ first. I figured pioneer. You can't go wrong. I am just looking for a tablet since its my first & if I could afford an ipad I would. Interesting that the both of our tablets were scratched up. I am angry as I waited a week & a half & I plan on traveling across the country in a week.
Matt - who from Walmart do I contact for a full refund?
I am still testing the product out but I am unhappy with the screen as well as the scratches. Not cool at all. All that I want is a good tablet for a noob to watch movies & read books.
Seriously, there arent many reviews since pioneer partnered with Walmart to bring this tablet out. I did extensive research before making my purchase.
I most likely will return & head to best buy. Unhappy.
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I purchased it online. To return it I printed out an "easy return receipt" and returned it at my local Wal-Mart store for a full refund.
I went ahead and ordered the Asus Memopad HD7 from Wal-Mart, it was $139. Well worth the slight price difference for a much better tablet. Asus quality, great specs for the money and an amazing HD display.
mixwellers said:
Matt - Wish I came across your posting but me & you were on the same page about our purchase @ first. I figured pioneer. You can't go wrong. I am just looking for a tablet since its my first & if I could afford an ipad I would. Interesting that the both of our tablets were scratched up. I am angry as I waited a week & a half & I plan on traveling across the country in a week.
Matt - who from Walmart do I contact for a full refund?
I am still testing the product out but I am unhappy with the screen as well as the scratches. Not cool at all. All that I want is a good tablet for a noob to watch movies & read books.
Seriously, there arent many reviews since pioneer partnered with Walmart to bring this tablet out. I did extensive research before making my purchase.
I most likely will return & head to best buy. Unhappy.
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Bit late for both of you im sure, but did you remove the scratch protector thing that it comes with already on the screen? There is a plastic protective film that does indeed look like the screen is scratched up because its so perfectly applied that you don't even know it has one on it until you carefully scratch at a corner of the tablet and realize it can be peeled off.
Also wanted to add for anybody that finds this as some of the very limited info on this tablet out there, its realllly not worth it right now, while its not horrible, it surely has a cheap feel to the whole affair. It will do basic tasks without much fuss, but many apps are unavailable right now on the store, a lot of the more intense games will simply cause the tablet to lock up and require a hard reset (with the highly annoying pinhole reset button on the back, because we all carry something to poke that tiny button with on the go) even watching a few videos has thrown up a lock up on occasion. Its still serviceable for now, and it will do okay for my wife for the time being, but im much much happier with the Monster m7 I picked up for the same exact price (99 bucks) At least it has run every game and app ive thrown at it without a hitch so far which I simply cant say for the Pioneer.
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Bit late for both of you im sure, but did you remove the scratch protector thing that it comes with already on the screen? There is a plastic protective film that does indeed look like the screen is scratched up because its so perfectly applied that you don't even know it has one on it until you carefully scratch at a corner of the tablet and realize it can be peeled off.
Also wanted to add for anybody that finds this as some of the very limited info on this tablet out there, its realllly not worth it right now, while its not horrible, it surely has a cheap feel to the whole affair. It will do basic tasks without much fuss, but many apps are unavailable right now on the store, a lot of the more intense games will simply cause the tablet to lock up and require a hard reset (with the highly annoying pinhole reset button on the back, because we all carry something to poke that tiny button with on the go) even watching a few videos has thrown up a lock up on occasion. Its still serviceable for now, and it will do okay for my wife for the time being, but im much much happier with the Monster m7 I picked up for the same exact price (99 bucks) At least it has run every game and app ive thrown at it without a hitch so far which I simply cant say for the Pioneer.
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Just got this tablet as a present for a 7 month baby
Loves her mom's iphone, so I decided to get her this
Got it from walmart. The price right now is only $60
Came in today....the scratches on the screen are actually on a screen protector used by the manufacturer. It needs to be removed and a new one is included.
Went to the Playstore and 95% of the apps I use on all of my tablets are available for this unit...only a few were not.
Very happy with it...sometimes it feels a little slow, but then it picks up
I was able to stream 1080p movies using plex, with Directplay, no transcoding.
Temple run 1 and 2 run just fine and load quite fast
Very pleased for $60
Now, let the chewing begin :laugh:
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Just got this tablet as a present for a 7 month baby
Loves her mom's iphone, so I decided to get her this
Got it from walmart. The price right now is only $60
Came in today....the scratches on the screen are actually on a screen protector used by the manufacturer. It needs to be removed and a new one is included.
Went to the Playstore and 95% of the apps I use on all of my tablets are available for this unit...only a few were not.
Very happy with it...sometimes it feels a little slow, but then it picks up
I was able to stream 1080p movies using plex, with Directplay, no transcoding.
Temple run 1 and 2 run just fine and load quite fast
Very pleased for $60
Now, let the chewing begin :laugh:
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Really? Temple run 2 crashes within 5 minutes no matter how many times i try to reinstall it. Quite a few games randomly crash honestly, the thing gets HOT playing any games.
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Really? Temple run 2 crashes within 5 minutes no matter how many times i try to reinstall it. Quite a few games randomly crash honestly, the thing gets HOT playing any games.
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I don't normally play games...just install them for the kids
However, you just made me play temple run 1 for 10 minutes...testing this unit
It does get warm...but no crashes yet...I also watched about 20 minutes of a movie, through plex, 1080p MP4, direct streaming...no problems there either
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Also, On eBay, look up, Apad rubber case
It looks to be very similar to this pioneer R1 tablet.
I bought one, hopefully it will fit nicely