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OK i have friends that want a pimp out phone like mines. Right now im waiting for dudes1.0 but i have jf1.50 and gloss theme they like what i have and im thinking of charging them money for me to install what i have...so the question is if it is ok if i charge people to install your work on their phone?
Thank You
You guys are right probably I don't want to do this also my friends are lazy and not that good with computer come on I had to even explain to them what 3gp means. Anyways they know about this site so they could do it by themselves. Thanks for the opinions everyone. NO MORE 24/7
Wow... I can see this going so many ways
Here's my opinion (that's just me, you still have to consult all the dev)
Point your friends to this site and give them reasonable explanation how to use info here. If they are up for the chanllenge-great, let them do it. If not- then you can do it but you should consider that
1. You will be liable if you brick one's phone
2. You will become 24/7 tech. support/firmware update/"can you do....(insert your own request here)...for me"/my toaster broke, and since you're good with this kind of things..../whatever else guy
3. If, for any reason, they need to return the phone to T-mo you will be responcible for bringing it back to factory state.
4. It would be only fair that you split any moneys that you receive with those who contributed to firmware/theme/mods.
With that said.... I would do it for free for my friends in exchange of not beeing that support guy. I mean I'd help them and everything but I don't need calls in the middle of the night. Still, eventhough I would do it for free, I would require that my friends donate at least few bucks to whoever's work I would be using.
Good luck, I would love to see what actual devs have to say.
You should do it just for fun and without charging money.. this is why friends are called friends..
Charge them, then give 50% to the dev
In my experience even if you don't charge to root and what-not you will still become 24/7 tech support for them. I am the tech guy in my group of friends and I never charged a dime(unless I had to go buy hardware). Root their phones, send them here, make them read, also try explaining a few things and let them know where the friggin' search function is and they'll be fine, but if they decide to call you in the middle of the night needeing help, subtly hint that you're broke and could use some cash for beer
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In my experience even if you don't charge to root and what-not you will still become 24/7 tech support for them. I am the tech guy in my group of friends and I never charged a dime(unless I had to go buy hardware). Root their phones, send them here, make them read, also try explaining a few things and let them know where the friggin' search function is and they'll be fine, but if they decide to call you in the middle of the night needeing help, subtly hint that you're broke and could use some cash for beer
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I hear you.... and I don't have problem helping anybody, I just want to do it when I have time and not 24/7.
Happy modding
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...you're broke and could use some cash for beer
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Dantehman, always includes Beer Money!
I know now that it was a mistake, but I bought a Chinese Clone of the HTC Touch Diamond2(?) but now I am stuck with it. What the problem is that at my residence, I have a poor signal from my Rogers provider and will only work intermittently just in one corner of the house if I stand in the corner, hold my mouth the right way, stand on one foot (you know what I mean). From reading your forum and others, it is suggested that upgrading your ROM may help with reception issues. O.K., more than willing to try this but for the life of me, I can't get this phone to upgrade. Seller is of no help either. I can get into the boot menu buy holding the phone answer and power buttons at the same time. I have not found the combination or a way to get it to give me a hard reboot. I have tried the HardSPL method but that does not work or the RUU way either. I am having major surgery two months from now and will be bed ridden for at least 6 weeks. I would dearly like this phone to work for so I can keep in touch with my children via text messaging. Here are some of the numbers I have found inside:
02-8174-85053
T5353
Serial:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
IMEI:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Windows Mobile 6.1
O/S: 1.0.02.342
Boot: 1.0.02.347
I apologize for being so long winded....just trying to give the most information possible. I really appreciate any help or guidance you can give me. Thank-you from Canada.
Well, the HardSPL and rom flashing are device specific, so even if you bought a device that looks like the Diamond 2, you have something completely different under the hood. Hence, none of the tools that you mentioned will work. As far as upgrading the rom, it isn't the OS rom that may help you with your reception issues, but the Radio. I know of a few Chinese forums that are involved with these knock-offs but to be honest (from what I have read), people simply complain there and I do not know how much help are they receiving.
I am sorry for telling you like this, but there is a very small chance that someone around here is going to have a radio or a custom rom for your device. On the flip side, if you would have been successful at flashing your device, you would now be the proud owner of a shinny, expensive paperweight, so not all has been lost...
I hope you can get some more help. Google your device +your carrier (ie Sunno HD +Rogers +no signal) or something like that (be creative) and you may come up with an answer.
Best of luck with your surgery though
I have a better idea- you were mis-sold a product, and are entitled to a refund. Do that instead. There's no way I'd put up with accepting a copy of a product if it was advertised as such.
In future I would be more careful as to where you purchase things! As an old fart, you should know this!
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I have a better idea- you were mis-sold a product, and are entitled to a refund. Do that instead. There's no way I'd put up with accepting a copy of a product if it was advertised as such.
In future I would be more careful as to where you purchase things! As an old fart, you should know this!
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Well, I guess he knew that it was a knock off, and most Chinese Vendors will tell you that whatever you are buying is not the real thing. So, unless there is something really wrong with it, they may be hesitant to refund any money.
Kind of had that feeling that I was screwed but it was worth asking about it. Thanks for all your help.
There is no fool like an old fool!
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There is no fool like an old fool!
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Nothing wrong with trying to be cost effective and trying to look for and find bargains in this world economy.
We all just need to remember that nine times out of ten, you get what you pay for.
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Kind of had that feeling that I was screwed but it was worth asking about it. Thanks for all your help.
There is no fool like an old fool!
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Hang in there, we all have had our moments on transactions. Just learn from it & move on positively
Hi, I am looking for a programmer to help build an app for me. Profit and ownership will be split 60(me) ,40(you). It is a genius app idea and has bot been created so far, however, it is a little complicated. Email me for further info and instructions.
lol.. you'll be lucky to get a royalty for whatever idea it is, bro. Thankfully the Android community is pretty wicked, but that's a greedy percentage.
A more realistic offer is that you pitch your idea and someone comes along and actually brings it to fruition.
That's the most retarded idea ever. Let me just give away all my good ideas.
If someone is going to partner with you on a project ( and by the sounds of it be doing all the work), then they will want a higher (atleast even) share of the profits.
Otherwise,if you have an awesome app idea, but no idea how to program it, pay someone to make the app for you (professionally), then you can get 100% of the profits from ads/sales
whats the idea. Email me for more details: [email protected]
dont give your ideas away for free, but just cuz you have an idea, and no patent, doesnt stop anyone from emailing you about the idea and useing it as their own @[email protected]
and just because you have a patent, doesnt stop anyone from making as their own, what does stop them though, is if you have enough money to take them to court, good luck with your idea.
all innovations began as an idea that barley anyone believed in.
Thanks for the input guys. I guess i can pay someone to do the work, but how much do you pay someone to make an app?
Depends on a lot of things.
You should look for a developer that's willing to take on this kind of work. Look for somebody who knows what they're doing, and somebody trustworthy.
Where can i look for that? I should go check around my area huh?
Or you could look around on XDA, find someone who already has a good reputation for writing quality apps and contact them.
You will have to tell them what your idea is, though.
So today I was greeted with a simple PM that quickly escalated to nonsense for no reason. I am putting it here because I wan't to hear the community's thoughts on this. I have erased the user's name and other information to avoid any humiliation. Please keep your discussion specific and don't flame. Blue color for my conversation and green color for the other party.
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Hello, just love your Berry Black Keyboard Theme!
would like to download it, it's posted as free on xda - clicking on link you've provided - and it appears to be paid. maybe some kind of mistake.
can you please be so kind sharing?
and do you have webmoney accound so i can donate? we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
thank you.
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It's not for free sorry. I made a mistake in the thread, I have updated it now.
You can buy from slideme app store they allow world wide users to buy apps easily.
Berry white and ICS Froyo are the two free keyboards.
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LOL first developer not sharing 1$ eight png images to the other person kindly asking. even if he asked by mistake and willing to donate for the app he thought was free.
checked slideme - same thing with my country, anyway the deal is not about the money.
maybe i think so because i do some serious stuff in real life.
but i will never understand how 1$ and some png images can beat kind words.
wish you all the best - so your life changes the way 1 bucks won't be such an issue.
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Thats the whole point my friend. A bunch of images and random colors organized in a nice fashion is what makes it worth something. Just like mining gold. Have you ever asked the question why there is no berry black keyboard theme in the market in the first place ? Theres literally thousands of free keyboard theme apps and not one black berry styled keyboard ? Why ?
And as for sharing a $1 app, I've had users email me and they were kind enough to do a video for it as well. You are like the 100th person to ask me for free. If I gave all the other 100 people the theme for free then whats in it for me ? Like seriously ? In normal case scenario if a person has a life and other things to do why would he make and then do all the extra overhead work of creating icons and market listing and upload it and then give it out for free ? I would have given you the app anyways after you checked and told me what happened with slideme but like others you too had no patience and had to add your own smart comments.
Your right It's not about money, I give out free apps every week. People like you need to realize that $1 not because its worth $1 but because it will not sell at higher prices. It takes about 15 hours to finish a keyboard theme from start to finish and testing it on all resolutions. So if my rate of earning were to be even $10 per hour then its 10x15=$150. Which means until I sell 150 keyboard themes I have not earned enough. And then comes the 100+ people who want it for free. This is why developers quit in the middle of working on kernels and roms here in xda because when people want something they will make noise but not work on it themselves. When someone does it for them they got even more complains.
Unlike other designers here on xda I fight for designers. I don't care about your $1.
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are all these people live somewhere where electronic money transactions are REALLY hard. ebay doesn't even accept transactions for random goods to anyone in ex-ussr. didn't know that, sure?
were all these people thinking it was free and willing to donate even more than you want for it (i didn't even notice it was 1$ until i started with slideme) but with webmoney which we have exchange for?
that's not a reason for you, you're thinking of other 100 free askers and all that pity math. you concerned about money more than you try to imply, believe me it's well seen.
now as for stuff you call desiiiign - a simple recent example of an app everyone uses WhatsApp modded
price was the same as you 8 png images but this person did MUCH more work, including photoshop, smali editing compiling etc etc etc. 15 hours for your skin? than how much for testing and drawing the whole app? it'll take a year with that productivity.
and concerning the marketing question, believe me, a lot more users would download themed whatsapp with extra features not implemented by developer itself, rather than one of thousand keyboard skins.
guess what, he is giving it out for free when it was paid and than made it donate version. yes he can sell thousand of copies of this skin but he doesn't.
he earns money for his work but he is not shaking for every bucks when situation doesn't worth it and stay a real man. you live not far from russia, hope you understand the meaning of being a man in our meaning. there are things men can not afford because they're too cheap for them. not literally of course.
and the xda full of those examples.
free apps, kernels, roms, mods! years of man work for free. all this stuff needs much more knowledge and work than those 8 images you call design. and all this app can be successfully sold! but they're not. how do you think why? as for berry keyboard and first places - there's just nothing special about it no one looks for it and no one downloads it that's why it's not on a first place LOL.
donations and earning money for any work is good.
but being such a principle person in such a simple situation - trading for such a mediocre work makes me smile.
believe me, if you were such a principle person with EVERYTHING in your life you won't think about 100xxxwhatever persons 150xxxwhatever dollars and all that funny numbers. so you're not that sharp. and you're telling me you don't care about 1$. that's a funny stuff showing me i was right from the beginning.
and for the keyboard we were talking about - already got that
Order date: March 4, 2012 11:47:50 AM PST
Berry Black Keyboard
CA$1.00
Total:
CA$1.00
- doesn't look as good as it was on a screenshot - won't use it, deserves a refund in my opinion, but i won't, just because i prefer to be principle in real life with some really worthy stuff and can afford a bunch of so-called "Designer_Stuff organized in nice fashion".
just to support person who says he doesn't care for 1$ and stands for designers, but writes a huge explanation with examples from 1$ math and doesn't have anything we call design on his deviantart. keep believing LOL
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So first you message me that you love the theme and you want it for free because you cannot buy it. Next you buy from market somehow and now your complaining. I just proved my point. Your purchase has been refunded. I did not come knocking on your door you came to me trying to be cheap. You can say what you want about my deviantart I dont really care, I do things my way. You wrote an entire essay complaining maybe you could have used that time to design your own keyboard that will satisfy your needs.
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you're funny little person.
i was trying to donate for free app. remember/no? how's your memory today?
needed to ask another person to download it for me, than send money to him through webmoney... a lot of actions to do. taken about an hour, ain't it too much for a couple of images?
that's why i asked it for free first.
but such a looser like you would better believe someone tried to cheat him for 1$. greedy piece of LOL can see nothing but money. you thought someone would even bother to write a message not to pay 1$? are you that retard to not understand how small that amount is for anybody in this world?
i buy "designers" with such "creativity" and way of thinking you just clearly demonstrated for a couple of hundreds per dosen. believe me i didn't mean to steal you dollar. LOOOOOOOOOL
you've made a refund? funny enough i've noticed your apk on some other forum. so doesn't really matter. if i'd find this leaked version earlier i wouldn't meet a man that don't deserve being a man. greedy pays twice, or loosing a lot of potential buyers one way or another.
first impression is the right one. cheap stuff smells in a special way and shows itself in everything related to a person.
now get lost, tired of your pathetic mind.
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I told you before you would have got your theme for free but you had to be sarcastic from start thats why you didnt get it. If you were nice you could have avoided everything but you chose this course of action. As for the apk in another forum you just proved that you wanted to pirate it in the first place, thats why you were still looking for it in the other forums. You thought it would be nice if you could ask me directly for it so you dont feel guilty. I get many people like you every day and this is not support. I don't need nagging people like you to support me when I have the support of my designer friends in deviantart. They see something in me and you don't, go figure why. All the kernels and roms and free stuff I use from xda I have personally offered all those devs my apps for free. Some agreed others said they will buy it from the market. I don't need to explain anything to you but I'm being nice and explaining to you so your narrow one sided mind can understand that it was you who messed it up. Your the pathetic one with zero patience.
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i didnt need your theme for free clown! i needed it with less possible actions to download. see the difference?
it would be nice to ask not to feel guilty? for what? i'd use it if i like it and so what? it wouldnt work if i dont buy it? why spending time sending message waiting for answer. why talk to some clerk thinking he is a designer?
are you retard tell me? or you think sun walks around you? that's getting funniest conversation ever. you live in interesting world where you believe in some idiotic stuff you wanna believe and proving it further. that youre designer, that someone will talk to you for 1$ hahaha too much for your pity self. telling you once again - no one writes message for 1$ believe me.
you don't need to explain? you were just offered to get lost but you still here smelling in my PM. why? because im right. zero are you and you can do nothing with it. you are angry because you understand that people see how pathetic everything you do and wanna call design. its worth 1$ nothing more you're right.
youre offering apps for free to devs stuff you use? how about others? or you're only a tradewhore offering 8 images for whole kernel rom etc?. think its equal? how convinient. its like nothing to 1$ even less, we are talking about.
do you understand how low are you telling this stuff as an argument. and who uses your great skins in their roms? never seen it anywhere even for free.
get lost you're plankton, prooved in three variations.
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Moral of the story, no more PM's for me. No one is pointing a gun at your head and making you buy my apps.
Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
Agreed, don't feed the trolls. They never are grateful for it.
Now I know what a troll is...
retareq said:
Now I know what a troll is...
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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Good advice. Its in effect right now.
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Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
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Wow that was serious stuff. And his English its understandable. People are crazy nowadays
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Surprisingly I am not upset or livid. I was at first but I took this opportunity to train myself to be nice in stressful situations. I think I did well
Name & shame! Obviously wanted app for free, that's why they kept the focus on not wanting to pay "1$" and making personal insults.
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And this is why I just assume everyone who's not American is a Terrorist. And I do not negotiate with Terrorists.
we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
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lol
What a flapwit.
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It's 2012 the sob story of any problem is now an alarm bell..... Especially when based on any value of of real $..
I lost my mind and faith in humanity in my last few sales jobs... Apparently too honest to survive... People would blatantly lie to me in the dumbest ways thinking it would save them a penny...
When will people learn that only your mom thinks your the best or smartest...
And to the people who believe that you could out canive everyone on survivor, is the reason why north america is about to fall under its own incapability to be efficient... all this weaseling is making it impossible to do anything right the first time.... Integrity is dead..
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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+1 Nicely said
So...I have an idea for something. And I don't know how to ask it properly. So I imagine the best way is to ask you guys here, and hope nobody steals the idea.
Or...somebody can tell me its already taken and then I can just move on and conjure up another idea.
So anyways. You know how Swappa exists? It seems like it began out of the BST area of xda forums. And now its this huge success it seems. Like if I want to buy or sell or a phone. Swappa comes before ebay, amazon or Craigslist now. It has the best fees, the best prices, and the best system to prevent fraud.
My question. Is there a swappa or something that ties together something like NeoGaf and video games?
And if not. Is there anyone out there who'd want to work with me to create this. Obviously this is a huge risk. I mean you could read this then run off with the idea. Or maybe it already exists. Or who knows.
BUt I think we could create something for gamers to buy and sell games. Without nonsense Ebay fees. Without craigslist worries. Without the nonsense of gamestop or best buy or their horrible trade values. Something where you can you tie your xda, neogaf,ebay,amazon account to your gapper (or w/e we would call it) account. And some kind of serial number system for consoles. Analytics.
But I was wondering if this idea doesn't exist. That anyone would want to try to make this thing happen. Maybe make it then kickstart it. Or work with NeoGaf(or other game sites) people or XDA people or swappa people.
I feel like this could be an awesome system that would , at the very least, sustain itself throughout this current console cycle of 4 or 5 years. I get that everyones going digital. But for now thats not the case.
Anyways. If you feel this makes sense. respond or message me or w/e. Lets see if we can make something awesome.