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About 20 minutes ago i was using my PC for testing some new stuff out for the rom(s). Suddenly there was a horrible noise, inbetween a POP and a BANG. My PC died, now when i turn it on i get NOTHING. the fans spin up but that is all.
Without my computer i cannot continue development (or my A-levels). i am working on getting what i had off my hard drives atm. i might be able to post an updated one of the old build soon....
in the meanwhile im gonna be working 24/7 to afford to fix my pc (i have about £5 to my name atm...)
if anyone feels like giving me a hand (Any amount will help) it would be most appreciated, ill think of a way to repay you if i can, perpahps something like more input into what i put in the roms/preview releases/your own personal custom cooked rom, let me know if you donate
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Thank you all for being supportive and such.
just FYI this was posted from my brother's PC
If you can manage to do a 1 - for - 1 swap of some of the components in your PC and track down what has blown please post what went pop as I'm sure I'll not be the only one happy to raid the spares bin if a replacement part just happens to be knocking around.
PSU would be a likely first candfidate to check for failure.
I need to buy a mercedes benz before I am 40 years old.
Any donations would be appreciated: Mercedes Appeal
ROFLMAO!!!!!
tyl said:
I need to buy a mercedes benz before I am 40 years old.
Any donations would be appreciated: Mercedes Appeal
ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Just FYI, the rom i used was a clean wm6 source from ltcmdrivan, who, uknown to me merged some of the changes helmi made into it before he sent it to me, causing helmi to think it was his work. we sorted this out ages ago so i dont know why you are bringing it up now?
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ALSO POSTED IN MY ROM THREAD
About 20 minutes ago i was using my PC for testing some new stuff out for the rom(s). Suddenly there was a horrible noise, inbetween a POP and a BANG. My PC died, now when i turn it on i get NOTHING. the fans spin up but that is all.
Without my computer i cannot continue development (or my A-levels). i am working on getting what i had off my hard drives atm. i might be able to post an updated one of the old build soon....
in the meanwhile im gonna be working 24/7 to afford to fix my pc (i have about £5 to my name atm...)
if anyone feels like giving me a hand (Any amount will help) it would be most appreciated, ill think of a way to repay you if i can, perpahps something like more input into what i put in the roms/preview releases/your own personal custom cooked rom, let me know if you donate
Donate
Thank you all for being supportive and such.
just FYI this was posted from my brother's PC
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a small 5 bucks donation from my side...keep up the good work....(sorry but thats all i can spare at the moment....have been sittin on my ass for some time now)
how many brain cells did yuo use to come up with that?
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I need to buy a mercedes benz before I am 40 years old.
Any donations would be appreciated: Mercedes Appeal
ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Tyl, if you have nothing better to say (which is apparent by your above posting), remember the saying 'Silence is golden'.
Alternatively, get a pulse and join the rest of the board who actually have constructive things to do. OK?
Kevin
tyl said:
I need to buy a mercedes benz before I am 40 years old.
Any donations would be appreciated: Mercedes Appeal
ROFLMAO!!!!!
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tyl, Midget is my friend from stone age till now, we just hv some misscommunication about it in the past, so please dont bring it up, its nothing, and it old news, friend share work, idea, but sometimes it get mix up... and I believe Midget never tense to do it on purpose...
Midget_1990 said:
ALSO POSTED IN MY ROM THREAD
About 20 minutes ago i was using my PC for testing some new stuff out for the rom(s). Suddenly there was a horrible noise, inbetween a POP and a BANG. My PC died, now when i turn it on i get NOTHING. the fans spin up but that is all.
Without my computer i cannot continue development (or my A-levels). i am working on getting what i had off my hard drives atm. i might be able to post an updated one of the old build soon....
in the meanwhile im gonna be working 24/7 to afford to fix my pc (i have about £5 to my name atm...)
if anyone feels like giving me a hand (Any amount will help) it would be most appreciated, ill think of a way to repay you if i can, perpahps something like more input into what i put in the roms/preview releases/your own personal custom cooked rom, let me know if you donate
Donate
Thank you all for being supportive and such.
just FYI this was posted from my brother's PC
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Sad to hear your condition My friend, hopes that u'll sort things out soon...please tell me if I can do anything for u...
Guys, please donate to Midget, support our developers..
Donate to Midget
Afraid I'm really skint until the end of the month when I get paid, but will certainly give at least a little then.
Yours was the second WM6 ROM I tried and was really impressed. Wouldn't hesitate to contribute to your cause. Will post back when have doh.
When I was at college I worked to pay for my own computers; if only the internet existed in a form that would enable me to ask for others to instead.
tyl, your link's broken....
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tyl, Midget is my friend from stone age till now, we just hv some misscommunication about it in the past, so please dont bring it up, its nothing, and it old news, friend share work, idea, but sometimes it get mix up... and I believe Midget never tense to do it on purpose...
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Okay helmi, he's your mate.
Still, its a bit cheesy asking for money like that.
Lol, have you seen where midget has put his paypal link? On the YOUNG ENTERPRISE site for young people. Here's their ABOUTUS description:
http://www.young-enterprise.org.uk/
Young Enterprise is a charity that aims to give young people an insight and education into the world of business by the hands-on experience of running a real company. The company has a bank account and must produce and sell products to the public to make a profit and therefore increase the value of their shares that have been sold to family and friends. The businesses and volunteers that support Young Enterprise take an active role in building a better-motivated, educated and enterprising workforce, at the same time making a real difference to the existing lives and future potential of young people who live and attend school in their area.
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- http://www.novio.co.uk/site/about.shtml
I cant help it, the irony, its impossible to take seriously!!! ROFLMAO!!!!
actually their website is on my server, but nvm.
if you really like to know i run the IT stuff for them.
Hokay, you host charitable websites on your server, place paypal links on one of their subdomains to ask for money to fix your pc
Yet I find I've gone further than I intended and turned into a flamer. So, Ill stop and wish you well Midget.
its on a subdomain because i dont have another domain for the server, apart from for them i only use the server myself so i use the IP (i'm cheap ass like that)
really what is your problem?
I would help... But in Russia is not present paypal. And existing translation systems in paypal take simply wild (sometimes reaching up to 30) percent. Can you create webmoney account. http: // www.wmtransfer.com/
Before creation specify a point of reception of money in your country. I wish to thank for fine roms which has started to use still with HTC BLUEANGEL
Well my PC is playing silly buggers, and I have had to underclock it until I can get the new parts on Saturday.
I will have some bits spare, but they won't be reliable.
I do however have an Athlon 1400 system you can have, but it's a big old beast, so being able to collect it would be best. Where in the UK are you?
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its on a subdomain because i dont have another domain for the server, apart from for them i only use the server myself so i use the IP (i'm cheap ass like that)
really what is your problem?
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ROFL!!!!
whats his problem? its not fun when someone ****s on a thread because of ego/attitude problem is it? MIDGET?
really what WAS your problem?
in your OWN words if you dont like what he has to say just skip over it!
karma police! open the door! *bang bang bang*
for someone so cocky about them self its funny to see you ask for donations like the people are going to buy you a new equipment
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Well my PC is playing silly buggers, and I have had to underclock it until I can get the new parts on Saturday.
I will have some bits spare, but they won't be reliable.
I do however have an Athlon 1400 system you can have, but it's a big old beast, so being able to collect it would be best. Where in the UK are you?
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jwrightmcps is hopefully sending me a new motherbaord (the bit I think has broke)
Hopefully that should ressurect it, but thanks anyway.
About 2 month ago,I had got very angry and I kicked my computer heavily. So I had to buy a new motherboard the next day because it was broken. You can buy a new motherboard just like what I did.It's not a big money.
Keep us updated, hope you're back up and running soon. After all you ROM builders and WinMo gurus have done to help so many I hope you find many paypal deposits. The fact that someone would mock you for asking for help is pretty sad.
edit: probably shouldn't post personal stuff like that here...
Hi all,
I've posted about this trash before but now it is really annoying me.
We all do our work here for free and for the better good of the community and those who use these PDA's.
I am so sick of people abusing our work and selling it on Ebay without even a thank you let alone any form of re-imbursement for the hard work we do.
I know it's not piracy, and what we do here is pretty much open-source if you like, but this stuff is really getting on my nerves.
Everytime I go on Ebay and search for PDAs the same trash pops up, some idiot making a fast buck off the back of hard working Developers like us.
The guy is selling a Uni with Laurentius's and mine Rom on it and trying to make an extra £50- £70 for our hard work, since the Uni is normally going for between £160- £200 these days.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....ndexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
I have no idea what we can do about it, I am reporting him to Ebay and would be gratefull for the support of the community in doing the same with this guy and others like him.
It ruins this community and really winds me up to the point that I wonder if should even bother any more.
Cheers,
A very p....ssd off Beasty
I am more surprised that people actually paying to buy ROMs which are available for free. Beasty maybe you should be listing the ROMs since people don’t really want to hit the donation icon here. And I will give you a good feedback to get you started.
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Hi all,
I've posted about this trash before but now it is really annoying me.
We all do our work here for free and for the better good of the community and those who use these PDA's.
I am so sick of people abusing our work and selling it on Ebay without even a thank you let alone any form of re-imbursement for the hard work we do.
I know it's not piracy, and what we do here is pretty much open-source if you like, but this stuff is really getting on my nerves.
Everytime I go on Ebay and search for PDAs the same trash pops up, some idiot making a fast buck off the back of hard working Developers like us.
The guy is selling a Uni with Laurentius's and mine Rom on it and trying to make an extra £50- £70 for our hard work, since the Uni is normally going for between £160- £200 these days.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....ndexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
I have no idea what we can do about it, I am reporting him to Ebay and would be gratefull for the support of the community in doing the same with this guy and others like him.
It ruins this community and really winds me up to the point that I wonder if should even bother any more.
MODS PLEASE STICKY THIS
Cheers,
A very p....ssd off Beasty
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I don't wish to sell them, and besides that it would be illegal to do so.
My point is that we do this for free and scum bags try to make money for nothing from others contributions to this community.
I know how stupid Microsoft will look if people start selling their modified ROMs. But I did discover one thing when you are pissed you do lose your sense of humor.
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I don't wish to sell them, and besides that it would be illegal to do so.
My point is that we do this for free and scum bags try to make money for nothing from others contributions to this community.
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Yes... a lot of time goes in cooking\developing rom's and we are offering this ROM's for free here. How would you feel if we stop doing this!
I have no good words for people who are selling our ROM's on Ebay.
I might have to think about that if you stop making ROM how will I feel? I think then I will have no good words for you. Just kidding I guess then I will be disappointed because I keep coming back to your ROMs and you don’t even appreciate that I go through all that trouble and flash your ROMs. A little bit of appreciation will be nice from you people. No, seriously I do appreciate all the time you spend her and then even let people criticize you. If I was you I would just say “MAKE YOUR OWN BLOODY ROMs IF YOU CAN DO a BETTER JOB”.
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Yes... a lot of time goes in cooking\developing rom's and we are offering this ROM's for free here. How would you feel if we stop doing this!
I have no good words for people who are selling our ROM's on Ebay.
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And I do appriciate you flash our ROM's my friend
Thank you!
Regards,
Leo
faraz.riaz said:
I might have to think about that if you stop making ROM how will I feel? I think then I will have no good words for you. Just kidding I guess then I will be disappointed because I keep coming back to your ROMs and you don’t even appreciate that I go through all that trouble and flash your ROMs. A little bit of appreciation will be nice from you people. No, seriously I do appreciate all the time you spend her and then even let people criticize you. If I was you I would just say “MAKE YOUR OWN BLOODY ROMs IF YOU CAN DO a BETTER JOB”.
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Support
Hi Beasty,
I'm behind you guys 100% on this one, if you come up with a way we can all help then let us know. I guess this arse wipe is a member of this group, can we have him or them removed from it to start with. It might not be illegal to sell it on eBay, but it must be some kind of fraud. As a paramedic I am (when given permission) able to use a persons medical history to further my knowledge, but I've no right to sell it in a book on EBAY if you see my point!!!
Kind regards
Jay
THANK YOU
i would be very pissed off too if i'd work my butt off to get nothing some times not even a "thank you" and other motHer%$$·$% is getting the money for my hard-work. if anyone can come up with some good ideas to avoid this type of persons here in this wonderful comunity would be great (maybe get his IP address somehow and ban him/her for good)
i have no words for all you people that spend many hours cooking and developing, hours that maybe your wife, husband or kids would need or deserve but just think about the 1000s of happy faces we have everytime we flash you piece of artworks or all the countless hours we wait for a new ROM to come out or just the big smile we have in our faces everytime the flash is finished and we see the new ROM for the first time. Just think that he/she migth be making a few bucks, but you have the appreciation, respect, knowledge and the love of many (maybe thousands) of people every single day with every new ROM . To all this you may have notice that english is not my maiden language(im from mexico) but i do want to show you my respects, i wish i could donate but in the country i live...life is not easy and all i can do is say...... !!!!!GRACIAS!!!!!!
BEST REGARDS. Erik.
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
So Disgusting
This is very disgusting if anyone is doing so........as a members of this community we should really stop this .This forum is for us and we should appriciate our developers for giving us such ROM's........which they develope by contributing their valuable time for us.
I really feel very sad about it.
Hi all,
I have no desire to make money from my work here, or demand donations for anything I contribute, all I request is the common decency from fellow human beings not to ruin this community by exploiting others.
TehPenguin does have a point though, his hosting does cost him money and adds great value to this community, the FTP Server and BugTracker are invaluable (when used correctly) and TehPenguin and this site could really use donations to help them keep running costs down.
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Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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I feel so ashamed of myself that I have decided not to download any ROM from your domain for one week. Seriously, did people have a bad weekend because everyone seemed to be pissed off? I am disappointed that you called me a hypocrite because I have been accused of this before and I’m anxiously waiting for someone to come up with something new. Everyone whom posted in this thread will have to send a handsome amount of donation to the “hosting dude” starting with Beasty who started this thread. Honestly, I do agree people should pay a little back to help those who are trying to help others. I think even if everyone pays as little as US $1 it will make a huge difference. I am surprised myself people come up with so many ideas how to change the ROM (Whisper: Most of them are lame) and they are more like demanding. I really don’t get why developers put up with that and I told Beasty that why he’s apologetic.
I do agree that we should do a little something to help. So what you need me to do?
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Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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Why don't you guys make a solution
Hey beast,
Why don't you developer make a credits section in your roms that is listing your names and all your comments.
I'm not a developer, but let me give an idea, why don't you create a program, that makes a watermark comment on the todays screen, which makes it clear to everyone that this rom is free and nmt for sale, and calling everyone that purchase this rom to contact you guys through the xda-developers web site.
it is just an idea, and I'm sure that most of the guys here is supporting you and the other developers for the great work
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However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
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Ive found the same when i set up htc-devs.com (when the ftp was wiped of m$ files)
TehPenguin said:
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
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I concur, In since i started developing my total donations are barely double digits (<£50) people think that things should be handed to them on a golden platter, and when they are not 100% to thier satisfaction that you shoudl put it right, immediately, but they would never consider donating
my 2p
I am not a developer too..or not considering me in that sort of group,because of the amount of time I spend in this (about 1-2hrs a week).
Just customized a Rom to my needs and I will be glad to share if someone wants it,freely!
Every person needs to find a good balance to Private life and Rom Developement,etc.. If this development is such time consuming,calm down..review your time!
Don't pretend donations (they are always appreciated but not to be Pretended or cast something up)
Development (and programming in general) in this forum are passions that we share together..
TehPenguin said:
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, that's my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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I don't think ANYONE is being a hypocrite on this thread, we are just supporting developers who have had their work abused and used by another party. I have the greatest admiration for the clever people who develop the amazing Rom's for our chosen PDA, without them our universals would now be an out of date device. I personally provide files and work to the LIMIT of my own abilities, and any rom I feel worth using, then I donate to the developer. I feel thats what this forum is all about. Yes I am guilty of not supporting ANY host of download sites, and was not aware that this puts you out of pocket till now. without the hosts support to this forum it would be useless but it is not unreasonable for people to express their OWN opinion.
Respectfully
Jay
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I don't think ANYONE is being a hypocrite on this thread, we are just supporting developers who have had their work abused and used by another party. I have the greatest admiration for the clever people who develop the amazing Rom's for our chosen PDA, without them our universals would now be an out of date device. I personally provide files and work to the LIMIT of my own abilities, and any rom I feel worth using, then I donate to the developer. I feel thats what this forum is all about. Yes I am guilty of not supporting ANY host of download sites, and was not aware that this puts you out of pocket till now. without the hosts support to this forum it would be useless but it is not unreasonable for people to express their OWN opinion.
Respectfully
Jay
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Thats a good point to note as well - Hosting cost me money, but it also costs the people who host this forum money. So, I wonder how many people have noticed the Donate link at the top of this page (near the Wiki link)...
Disagree with Beastie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally disagree with Beastie on this matter! If you take a look at the installed software on that Uni it has SPB Finance, Weather and Pocket Plus retailing at 70$ as well as a quite long list of other appz. More than that what we do here isn't fully legal either or at least moral. For example in our ROMs we include software that we do not have a licence or any right to use like MSVoiceCommand, MSOffice, HTC Stuff etc, etc, if you compare this to a PC it would be like buying a PC with Win98 then taking a copy(image) of a friend WinXP(with Office, and other apps) and loading it on your one. Do you thing this is right? And also if someone would do the same and sell this "New" PC complain about it. You develop for your own fun and hobby. If you decided to share something not very moral with others, don't complain when someone does something that is not fully moral by your judgement. Morality or legality of this matter is a subjective matter. And do understand the concept of open source. I'm coming from a Mozilla exdeveloper background. And Mozilla is used in numerous commercial applications with proper credits. You have no right to claim that someone used your work to make money on it, as you are using someone else work in your own interests (name, hobby, any reason). You have your reasons to make just what that guy did for his reasons(in his case money). One thief is judjung another!!! How moral is that??? Of course you do develop your own tools and enchacements, BUT on top of a STOLEN OS!!! Microsoft, HTC,etc invested money and time in their developers, designers, markeing depts. to bring this OS to life, and if they decide they don't want to give it for free it is their choice as a business model. You do not have the right to steal this OS tweak it and claim that it is YOUR and someone should pay you for this. Look a the whole picture not that just some guy used the ROM you dont own but tweaked it and claim it is yours.
PS. Last night i posted my 1st ever ROM on this forum wich is as vanilla as possible(for me), the reasons behind postin it here was exactly that. Anyone can download it and tweak it to his own use, or install new soft one it, new soft keybd, new media player, fast GPS soft etc, etc. I didn't own that OS, I took it of Thingonasping wich took it from someone else. You spend a some time and money in "developing" "your" ROMs, corporations spend billions on that, and someone comes along and steals it. Now that person do not have the need to upgrade his device anymore as "his" new OS will keep him happy for a while. How much damage do you do then to even HTC themselves who didn't sell another unit as their potential customer didn't buy it cos he's got his old device new features(without permision from legal developer).
PS. And how do you know or are so sure that he used "Your" ROM? Maybe he took your kitchen and compiled it, (wich in your view and interpretation), makes it "His" ROM now, isn't it?
I feel sorry for the poor sod who will buy this Universal:
1. As far as legality is concerned, any stolen goods doesn't pass the title of ownership to the buyer. Even though the buyer is unaware of this theft and he/she is innocent, the ownership title doesn't pass to him/her. A case in point about Spb software on the phone, which we are assuming installed on the phone illegally.
2. To add to this the poor sod's nightmare, he/she will be lumbered with Windows Mobile 6 with full of bugs. For sure it won't have video calling.
KOR!
Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
I wish you good luck Olipro, it's very anoying that someone is mass selling your work
Unlocker
I unlocked my device using your tool and it was successful without any issues... unfortunately (or fortunately (dunno)); I'm not living in the UK but I would like to help thou if I can
just give your sign man
Burn the bleeder!!!!
Olipro.
I'd like to think i speak for all.....
The amount of time you and others have spent is outstanding... and you do so for the community for free.
Having some guy take this "free for personal use utility" and sell it.. amounts to ... lets say... theft... and well deserved for a good kickin.
I know that ebay will take action to stop anyone selling a product if there is a copyright infringement. .. don't know if that is a path...
But.. Branding the utilities.. and basically making it clearly written that it is not ALLOWED to SELL... and if they purchased it.. please contact the seller for a refund.. will make it a real pain in the backside...
As for existing on sale products.... I'd put adds in totally copying the listing.. and making it free!!! or charge a penny... including the line...
"why pay XYZ £x.xx for this unlocker.. when you can buy it now for a penny.. (or we can make it less than the other seller....) and make the payments all go to the actual developers paypal donations account!!!
???
I'm happy to do it.. (i have an ebay account i really don't mind burning...)
PM me and we can do this...
Wasted effort.
You guys could probably find something far more productive to do with your time than wasting effort on someone who is selling something that was given away for free.
Just like Monster (like redbull) has been running around, giving away cans of their product. Anyone who wants to can sell those cans to anyone who is willing to pay for them. There's nothing wrong with that, either.
That isn't to say, I don't appreciate your efforts Olipro, I do. But frankly, even if you charged for it, I would pay you because it's worth it to me. Without a second thought as to how you came about it, whether you wrote it.
I simply couldn't care less--neither do any of this guy's buyers. Why should they?
actually, i was aiming for a settlement, but if that's not forthcoming then I'll lodge a claim.
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Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
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what kinda help you looking for? I'm willing to help you, just let me know what you need
If it is only one (or a few) bloke you have a strong case.
I don't know wether I can be of any help as I am living in Holland.
As Olipro has already admitted he cannot copyright or licence this as he has hacked the AMSS.
"Yes folks... the one you've been waiting for... finally managed to get the patched AMSS to boot... a nice big "up your arse" to Qualcomm."
A hacker cannot licence anything they hack as it is someone elses work in the first place. He is also using a patched Radio rom. This Radio rom is HTC property, and as such he cannot licence that.
These threads are getting very boring, it is about time Olipro got a life, and stopped crying about it.
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^ ouch did he really just do that?
Yeah he did. Only problem with his statement would be if he used Olipro's HardSPL at ANY TIME in the past or present for ANY DEVICE that he wanted to flash a cooked ROM to. Pot calling the bong green? Let's find out...
(insert sarcasm) Hey Tinman, ever flash a cooked ROM onto an HTC device before?
*sigh* Seriously... I support Oli's "right to fair trade". He along with many others developed the tools *we all* use to make our phones as customized as we can make them (big props to you Oli; HardSPL v1 for the Kaiser is on point!), and some pond water scum (he did say it was a bloke, right?) is selling his FREE programs?! Yeah, I'd be looking to "settle" as well. So don't jump down *his* throat saying he needs to get a life. Try the word "hobby", since for most of us that's all it is, and I'm sure cooking, flashing and ROM development is a hobby for him as well.
Oli, you've got support here in the states, especially with us AT&Tingular folks. Keep up the good work, and if you find the fool(s) behind this, shove one of those Cricket paddles in his arse for us! Or at least reach some sort of agreement...
It was Des who first made a hacked spl, Pof then took it a stage further, Olipro's is based on those. So again not his work.
Tinman.
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You guys could probably find something far more productive to do with your time than wasting effort on someone who is selling something that was given away for free.
Just like Monster (like redbull) has been running around, giving away cans of their product. Anyone who wants to can sell those cans to anyone who is willing to pay for them. There's nothing wrong with that, either.
That isn't to say, I don't appreciate your efforts Olipro, I do. But frankly, even if you charged for it, I would pay you because it's worth it to me. Without a second thought as to how you came about it, whether you wrote it.
I simply couldn't care less--neither do any of this guy's buyers. Why should they?
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That is the stupidest example I have ever heard. This is more like someone taking redbull and selling redbull as their own brand, not a different one because they did nothing other than copy the EXACT software, ass.
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Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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In the UK they got the Themes it might work Oli, just give a big shout out and i'll help!
i'll hold his legs
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That is the stupidest example I have ever heard. This is more like someone taking redbull and selling redbull as their own brand, not a different one because they did nothing other than copy the EXACT software, ass.
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The stupidest example you've ever heard, eh? "Well, no offense, lady, but what you don't know could fill a warehouse." --Bart Simpson.
If you buy a can of redbull, or if redbull gives you the can for free, you DO have the right to sell that exact can. Or as many of them as you wish.
You do not have the right to claim the brand as your own, but you do have the right to sell the item. These ROMs, unlockers, bits o' software, et cetera are no different.
The seller cannot claim that he has a copyright on them, or that he wrote them but he is perfectly within his rights to sell them whether anyone likes it or not. Rest assured, he can and will still sell them w/o claiming that he wrote them.
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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Hey, wouldn't it be grand if HTC, and AT&T and all the other guys that own these ROMs, et cetera, sent thugs to send all of the cookers here into the Rio Grande swimming face down? You know, because it "amounts to ... lets say... theft... and well deserved for a good kickin."
Oh, wait, you don't want that? Why is that, do you think?
Maybe those corporations could all just file suit against these guys? Would that be better?
Or would it be better that, like they do now, they just tacitly accept this stuff and generally ignore it?
i think the only thing you can do is sell your unlocker at a low price and add in one thing that most of the other sellers wont probably do. Give exact help. What better for a buyer to see is that they are buying the item from the creator.
Unfortuanatly there is no legal way to stop these other sellers and as long as good guys like yourself give us free brilliant programs your gonna get the odd ar*ehole thats gonna make money off it.
And to thoughs who ***** about how oli, why read his thread why use his program. God sake if your smart enough create your own program, and i hope you get someone that goes and sells your program and see how you like it!
thanks oli for services to this forum
to the sobs who r hating on oli go to helll. the guy creates/improves a wonderful program and this is how u thank him???? oli i am greatful 4 ur work as i use it.
oli is not making money by helping people get liberation from their piece of **** oem spl/roms; therefore att and htc really can't come after him. seondly if it wasn't for hackers/developers u would not have internet as it is today. hackers weret he ones who built the www. so long live hackers and people like olipro and go to hell corporate lovers.
p.s. i just hope none u losers r using his or any chefs roms ... hypocrits
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to the sobs who r hating on oli go to helll. the guy creates/improves a wonderful program and this is how u thank him???? oli i am greatful 4 ur work as i use it.
oli is not making money by helping people get liberation from their piece of **** oem spl/roms; therefore att and htc really can't come after him. seondly if it wasn't for hackers/developers u would not have internet as it is today. hackers weret he ones who built the www. so long live hackers and people like olipro and go to hell corporate lovers.
p.s. i just hope none u losers r using his or any chefs roms ... hypocrits
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What are you 12? This is nearly incoherent.
No one is saying Oli and the rest can't do what they do, or that other people cannot use their tools. They're saying that once you release something to someone else--you lose control over it, be that some software you hacked, some can of redbull, a used car, or anything else. I love what they do, I pay them for it, and I would even if they charged for it. That doesn't mean that they can control what others do with it.
Yeah, um haxx0rz rulz lol omg!
So today I was greeted with a simple PM that quickly escalated to nonsense for no reason. I am putting it here because I wan't to hear the community's thoughts on this. I have erased the user's name and other information to avoid any humiliation. Please keep your discussion specific and don't flame. Blue color for my conversation and green color for the other party.
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Hello, just love your Berry Black Keyboard Theme!
would like to download it, it's posted as free on xda - clicking on link you've provided - and it appears to be paid. maybe some kind of mistake.
can you please be so kind sharing?
and do you have webmoney accound so i can donate? we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
thank you.
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It's not for free sorry. I made a mistake in the thread, I have updated it now.
You can buy from slideme app store they allow world wide users to buy apps easily.
Berry white and ICS Froyo are the two free keyboards.
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LOL first developer not sharing 1$ eight png images to the other person kindly asking. even if he asked by mistake and willing to donate for the app he thought was free.
checked slideme - same thing with my country, anyway the deal is not about the money.
maybe i think so because i do some serious stuff in real life.
but i will never understand how 1$ and some png images can beat kind words.
wish you all the best - so your life changes the way 1 bucks won't be such an issue.
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Thats the whole point my friend. A bunch of images and random colors organized in a nice fashion is what makes it worth something. Just like mining gold. Have you ever asked the question why there is no berry black keyboard theme in the market in the first place ? Theres literally thousands of free keyboard theme apps and not one black berry styled keyboard ? Why ?
And as for sharing a $1 app, I've had users email me and they were kind enough to do a video for it as well. You are like the 100th person to ask me for free. If I gave all the other 100 people the theme for free then whats in it for me ? Like seriously ? In normal case scenario if a person has a life and other things to do why would he make and then do all the extra overhead work of creating icons and market listing and upload it and then give it out for free ? I would have given you the app anyways after you checked and told me what happened with slideme but like others you too had no patience and had to add your own smart comments.
Your right It's not about money, I give out free apps every week. People like you need to realize that $1 not because its worth $1 but because it will not sell at higher prices. It takes about 15 hours to finish a keyboard theme from start to finish and testing it on all resolutions. So if my rate of earning were to be even $10 per hour then its 10x15=$150. Which means until I sell 150 keyboard themes I have not earned enough. And then comes the 100+ people who want it for free. This is why developers quit in the middle of working on kernels and roms here in xda because when people want something they will make noise but not work on it themselves. When someone does it for them they got even more complains.
Unlike other designers here on xda I fight for designers. I don't care about your $1.
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are all these people live somewhere where electronic money transactions are REALLY hard. ebay doesn't even accept transactions for random goods to anyone in ex-ussr. didn't know that, sure?
were all these people thinking it was free and willing to donate even more than you want for it (i didn't even notice it was 1$ until i started with slideme) but with webmoney which we have exchange for?
that's not a reason for you, you're thinking of other 100 free askers and all that pity math. you concerned about money more than you try to imply, believe me it's well seen.
now as for stuff you call desiiiign - a simple recent example of an app everyone uses WhatsApp modded
price was the same as you 8 png images but this person did MUCH more work, including photoshop, smali editing compiling etc etc etc. 15 hours for your skin? than how much for testing and drawing the whole app? it'll take a year with that productivity.
and concerning the marketing question, believe me, a lot more users would download themed whatsapp with extra features not implemented by developer itself, rather than one of thousand keyboard skins.
guess what, he is giving it out for free when it was paid and than made it donate version. yes he can sell thousand of copies of this skin but he doesn't.
he earns money for his work but he is not shaking for every bucks when situation doesn't worth it and stay a real man. you live not far from russia, hope you understand the meaning of being a man in our meaning. there are things men can not afford because they're too cheap for them. not literally of course.
and the xda full of those examples.
free apps, kernels, roms, mods! years of man work for free. all this stuff needs much more knowledge and work than those 8 images you call design. and all this app can be successfully sold! but they're not. how do you think why? as for berry keyboard and first places - there's just nothing special about it no one looks for it and no one downloads it that's why it's not on a first place LOL.
donations and earning money for any work is good.
but being such a principle person in such a simple situation - trading for such a mediocre work makes me smile.
believe me, if you were such a principle person with EVERYTHING in your life you won't think about 100xxxwhatever persons 150xxxwhatever dollars and all that funny numbers. so you're not that sharp. and you're telling me you don't care about 1$. that's a funny stuff showing me i was right from the beginning.
and for the keyboard we were talking about - already got that
Order date: March 4, 2012 11:47:50 AM PST
Berry Black Keyboard
CA$1.00
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CA$1.00
- doesn't look as good as it was on a screenshot - won't use it, deserves a refund in my opinion, but i won't, just because i prefer to be principle in real life with some really worthy stuff and can afford a bunch of so-called "Designer_Stuff organized in nice fashion".
just to support person who says he doesn't care for 1$ and stands for designers, but writes a huge explanation with examples from 1$ math and doesn't have anything we call design on his deviantart. keep believing LOL
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So first you message me that you love the theme and you want it for free because you cannot buy it. Next you buy from market somehow and now your complaining. I just proved my point. Your purchase has been refunded. I did not come knocking on your door you came to me trying to be cheap. You can say what you want about my deviantart I dont really care, I do things my way. You wrote an entire essay complaining maybe you could have used that time to design your own keyboard that will satisfy your needs.
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you're funny little person.
i was trying to donate for free app. remember/no? how's your memory today?
needed to ask another person to download it for me, than send money to him through webmoney... a lot of actions to do. taken about an hour, ain't it too much for a couple of images?
that's why i asked it for free first.
but such a looser like you would better believe someone tried to cheat him for 1$. greedy piece of LOL can see nothing but money. you thought someone would even bother to write a message not to pay 1$? are you that retard to not understand how small that amount is for anybody in this world?
i buy "designers" with such "creativity" and way of thinking you just clearly demonstrated for a couple of hundreds per dosen. believe me i didn't mean to steal you dollar. LOOOOOOOOOL
you've made a refund? funny enough i've noticed your apk on some other forum. so doesn't really matter. if i'd find this leaked version earlier i wouldn't meet a man that don't deserve being a man. greedy pays twice, or loosing a lot of potential buyers one way or another.
first impression is the right one. cheap stuff smells in a special way and shows itself in everything related to a person.
now get lost, tired of your pathetic mind.
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I told you before you would have got your theme for free but you had to be sarcastic from start thats why you didnt get it. If you were nice you could have avoided everything but you chose this course of action. As for the apk in another forum you just proved that you wanted to pirate it in the first place, thats why you were still looking for it in the other forums. You thought it would be nice if you could ask me directly for it so you dont feel guilty. I get many people like you every day and this is not support. I don't need nagging people like you to support me when I have the support of my designer friends in deviantart. They see something in me and you don't, go figure why. All the kernels and roms and free stuff I use from xda I have personally offered all those devs my apps for free. Some agreed others said they will buy it from the market. I don't need to explain anything to you but I'm being nice and explaining to you so your narrow one sided mind can understand that it was you who messed it up. Your the pathetic one with zero patience.
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i didnt need your theme for free clown! i needed it with less possible actions to download. see the difference?
it would be nice to ask not to feel guilty? for what? i'd use it if i like it and so what? it wouldnt work if i dont buy it? why spending time sending message waiting for answer. why talk to some clerk thinking he is a designer?
are you retard tell me? or you think sun walks around you? that's getting funniest conversation ever. you live in interesting world where you believe in some idiotic stuff you wanna believe and proving it further. that youre designer, that someone will talk to you for 1$ hahaha too much for your pity self. telling you once again - no one writes message for 1$ believe me.
you don't need to explain? you were just offered to get lost but you still here smelling in my PM. why? because im right. zero are you and you can do nothing with it. you are angry because you understand that people see how pathetic everything you do and wanna call design. its worth 1$ nothing more you're right.
youre offering apps for free to devs stuff you use? how about others? or you're only a tradewhore offering 8 images for whole kernel rom etc?. think its equal? how convinient. its like nothing to 1$ even less, we are talking about.
do you understand how low are you telling this stuff as an argument. and who uses your great skins in their roms? never seen it anywhere even for free.
get lost you're plankton, prooved in three variations.
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Moral of the story, no more PM's for me. No one is pointing a gun at your head and making you buy my apps.
Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
Agreed, don't feed the trolls. They never are grateful for it.
Now I know what a troll is...
retareq said:
Now I know what a troll is...
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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Good advice. Its in effect right now.
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Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
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Wow that was serious stuff. And his English its understandable. People are crazy nowadays
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Surprisingly I am not upset or livid. I was at first but I took this opportunity to train myself to be nice in stressful situations. I think I did well
Name & shame! Obviously wanted app for free, that's why they kept the focus on not wanting to pay "1$" and making personal insults.
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And this is why I just assume everyone who's not American is a Terrorist. And I do not negotiate with Terrorists.
we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
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lol
What a flapwit.
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It's 2012 the sob story of any problem is now an alarm bell..... Especially when based on any value of of real $..
I lost my mind and faith in humanity in my last few sales jobs... Apparently too honest to survive... People would blatantly lie to me in the dumbest ways thinking it would save them a penny...
When will people learn that only your mom thinks your the best or smartest...
And to the people who believe that you could out canive everyone on survivor, is the reason why north america is about to fall under its own incapability to be efficient... all this weaseling is making it impossible to do anything right the first time.... Integrity is dead..
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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+1 Nicely said
I frequently get asked to root/rom peoples phones(which I enjoy doing for friends).
Lately I've been getting friends of friends and friends of friends friends wanting me to do it for them. Usually I point them here for walk-throughs, however, some are unable/unwilling to follow directions and want me to just do it for them.
Am I a bad person for charging these people?
-I explain what they can and can't do with Root access and with Roms.
-I don't hide how easy it is.
-I explain bricking and how it could very well happen.
-I give them the warranty voiding speech.
The mechanic doesn't build the car part, he just puts it on. With proper education, time, and tools you could do it yourself. They're not paying for the rom, only the service.
I charge people to install OS's, and believe one's time is worth money.
I'm sure you would feel guilty charging them.
However, to me, friends, yes, I can do for them with no hold back, but friends of friends, nah, I wouldn't.
Also, for "unable to do", I might help but for "unwilling to do", not a chance.
I agree. It's essentially the same as someone like BestBuy charging for repairing computers, of course the user could do it themselves, but they choose to pay for the service. Charging for a service is perfectly fine.
No, i dont think it's wrong
I would love it if my phone came rooted. I wish we had more capabilities to have control over our phones, why we pay the big bucks for them anyway.
If I started rooting a bunch of people's phones, I'd definitely charge.
Since it could be time consuming and you're not responsible for their phone and any errors that could happen in the process.
I do. All the hacks and roms are put out free. Why should we charge for something free? It's dishonest.
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What's dishonest about asking for compensation for your time and effort? The tools are free, the guides are free, if they want it free - they should do it themselves. I would go so far as to make the clarification that "good" friends i would root for free. "regular" friends would be charged. Why? Because, quite frankly, I have better things to do than sit around and root phones for ungrateful people who don't want to figure it out for themselves. Anyone who wants a rooted phone is more than likely capable of doing it (or researching how to) themselves, but just being too lazy to actually follow through on it. But I also wouldn't rape people on the prices. I'd say nothing unreasonable about charging 25-50 (would vary on closeness of friendship) per phone, or, in the case of actual friends, a lunch or two.
I fall on the side of charging for service. For Friends and family computer work I used to tell them they could pay me whatever they want, and whenever they want, and if they really want, and but I'm happy to help out for free. Rooting most devices is really easy, but not always foolproof. maybe it feels wrong to charge for the easy ones, but wait till you near brick someone's phone and spend hours figuring out what went wrong to bring it back. 20 bucks seems like nothing considering what could happen. If you value your time and knowledge charge something for it. Otherwise no one else will value it.
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And to really do right, share the wealth with the developers that make it so easy.
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For my close friend... for me no need to charge them
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I agree with the majority. I'm going to charge to root a phone if its not family or a close friend. A thank you from someone who doesn't really appreciate it and I do.'t see regularly just isn't enough. I am spending part of my life for them, and unlike money, once its spent, its spent, no refunds.
As long as your using tools you made then I see no prob with it. But if you are rooting by methods made by others then you should give 75% of it to the tools developers and keep 25% for your time.
And to be honest if they are not willing to do it them self then maybe they really don't need it done. Mainly if something goes wrong and they try to get their phone fixed only to find that their warranty is voided because you rooted it.
Now I am gonna close this up be fore it becomes a flame fest of people ripping you for using someones free tools to make money.
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