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Hi all,
I've posted about this trash before but now it is really annoying me.
We all do our work here for free and for the better good of the community and those who use these PDA's.
I am so sick of people abusing our work and selling it on Ebay without even a thank you let alone any form of re-imbursement for the hard work we do.
I know it's not piracy, and what we do here is pretty much open-source if you like, but this stuff is really getting on my nerves.
Everytime I go on Ebay and search for PDAs the same trash pops up, some idiot making a fast buck off the back of hard working Developers like us.
The guy is selling a Uni with Laurentius's and mine Rom on it and trying to make an extra £50- £70 for our hard work, since the Uni is normally going for between £160- £200 these days.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....ndexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
I have no idea what we can do about it, I am reporting him to Ebay and would be gratefull for the support of the community in doing the same with this guy and others like him.
It ruins this community and really winds me up to the point that I wonder if should even bother any more.
Cheers,
A very p....ssd off Beasty

I am more surprised that people actually paying to buy ROMs which are available for free. Beasty maybe you should be listing the ROMs since people don’t really want to hit the donation icon here. And I will give you a good feedback to get you started.
beast0898 said:
Hi all,
I've posted about this trash before but now it is really annoying me.
We all do our work here for free and for the better good of the community and those who use these PDA's.
I am so sick of people abusing our work and selling it on Ebay without even a thank you let alone any form of re-imbursement for the hard work we do.
I know it's not piracy, and what we do here is pretty much open-source if you like, but this stuff is really getting on my nerves.
Everytime I go on Ebay and search for PDAs the same trash pops up, some idiot making a fast buck off the back of hard working Developers like us.
The guy is selling a Uni with Laurentius's and mine Rom on it and trying to make an extra £50- £70 for our hard work, since the Uni is normally going for between £160- £200 these days.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....ndexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
I have no idea what we can do about it, I am reporting him to Ebay and would be gratefull for the support of the community in doing the same with this guy and others like him.
It ruins this community and really winds me up to the point that I wonder if should even bother any more.
MODS PLEASE STICKY THIS
Cheers,
A very p....ssd off Beasty
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I don't wish to sell them, and besides that it would be illegal to do so.
My point is that we do this for free and scum bags try to make money for nothing from others contributions to this community.

I know how stupid Microsoft will look if people start selling their modified ROMs. But I did discover one thing when you are pissed you do lose your sense of humor.
beast0898 said:
I don't wish to sell them, and besides that it would be illegal to do so.
My point is that we do this for free and scum bags try to make money for nothing from others contributions to this community.
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Yes... a lot of time goes in cooking\developing rom's and we are offering this ROM's for free here. How would you feel if we stop doing this!
I have no good words for people who are selling our ROM's on Ebay.

I might have to think about that if you stop making ROM how will I feel? I think then I will have no good words for you. Just kidding I guess then I will be disappointed because I keep coming back to your ROMs and you don’t even appreciate that I go through all that trouble and flash your ROMs. A little bit of appreciation will be nice from you people. No, seriously I do appreciate all the time you spend her and then even let people criticize you. If I was you I would just say “MAKE YOUR OWN BLOODY ROMs IF YOU CAN DO a BETTER JOB”.
Laurentius26 said:
Yes... a lot of time goes in cooking\developing rom's and we are offering this ROM's for free here. How would you feel if we stop doing this!
I have no good words for people who are selling our ROM's on Ebay.
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And I do appriciate you flash our ROM's my friend
Thank you!
Regards,
Leo
faraz.riaz said:
I might have to think about that if you stop making ROM how will I feel? I think then I will have no good words for you. Just kidding I guess then I will be disappointed because I keep coming back to your ROMs and you don’t even appreciate that I go through all that trouble and flash your ROMs. A little bit of appreciation will be nice from you people. No, seriously I do appreciate all the time you spend her and then even let people criticize you. If I was you I would just say “MAKE YOUR OWN BLOODY ROMs IF YOU CAN DO a BETTER JOB”.
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Support
Hi Beasty,
I'm behind you guys 100% on this one, if you come up with a way we can all help then let us know. I guess this arse wipe is a member of this group, can we have him or them removed from it to start with. It might not be illegal to sell it on eBay, but it must be some kind of fraud. As a paramedic I am (when given permission) able to use a persons medical history to further my knowledge, but I've no right to sell it in a book on EBAY if you see my point!!!
Kind regards
Jay

THANK YOU
i would be very pissed off too if i'd work my butt off to get nothing some times not even a "thank you" and other motHer%$$·$% is getting the money for my hard-work. if anyone can come up with some good ideas to avoid this type of persons here in this wonderful comunity would be great (maybe get his IP address somehow and ban him/her for good)
i have no words for all you people that spend many hours cooking and developing, hours that maybe your wife, husband or kids would need or deserve but just think about the 1000s of happy faces we have everytime we flash you piece of artworks or all the countless hours we wait for a new ROM to come out or just the big smile we have in our faces everytime the flash is finished and we see the new ROM for the first time. Just think that he/she migth be making a few bucks, but you have the appreciation, respect, knowledge and the love of many (maybe thousands) of people every single day with every new ROM . To all this you may have notice that english is not my maiden language(im from mexico) but i do want to show you my respects, i wish i could donate but in the country i live...life is not easy and all i can do is say...... !!!!!GRACIAS!!!!!!
BEST REGARDS. Erik.

Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended

So Disgusting
This is very disgusting if anyone is doing so........as a members of this community we should really stop this .This forum is for us and we should appriciate our developers for giving us such ROM's........which they develope by contributing their valuable time for us.
I really feel very sad about it.

Hi all,
I have no desire to make money from my work here, or demand donations for anything I contribute, all I request is the common decency from fellow human beings not to ruin this community by exploiting others.
TehPenguin does have a point though, his hosting does cost him money and adds great value to this community, the FTP Server and BugTracker are invaluable (when used correctly) and TehPenguin and this site could really use donations to help them keep running costs down.
TehPenguin said:
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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I feel so ashamed of myself that I have decided not to download any ROM from your domain for one week. Seriously, did people have a bad weekend because everyone seemed to be pissed off? I am disappointed that you called me a hypocrite because I have been accused of this before and I’m anxiously waiting for someone to come up with something new. Everyone whom posted in this thread will have to send a handsome amount of donation to the “hosting dude” starting with Beasty who started this thread. Honestly, I do agree people should pay a little back to help those who are trying to help others. I think even if everyone pays as little as US $1 it will make a huge difference. I am surprised myself people come up with so many ideas how to change the ROM (Whisper: Most of them are lame) and they are more like demanding. I really don’t get why developers put up with that and I told Beasty that why he’s apologetic.
I do agree that we should do a little something to help. So what you need me to do?
TehPenguin said:
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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Why don't you guys make a solution
Hey beast,
Why don't you developer make a credits section in your roms that is listing your names and all your comments.
I'm not a developer, but let me give an idea, why don't you create a program, that makes a watermark comment on the todays screen, which makes it clear to everyone that this rom is free and nmt for sale, and calling everyone that purchase this rom to contact you guys through the xda-developers web site.
it is just an idea, and I'm sure that most of the guys here is supporting you and the other developers for the great work

TehPenguin said:
However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
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Ive found the same when i set up htc-devs.com (when the ftp was wiped of m$ files)
TehPenguin said:
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
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I concur, In since i started developing my total donations are barely double digits (<£50) people think that things should be handed to them on a golden platter, and when they are not 100% to thier satisfaction that you shoudl put it right, immediately, but they would never consider donating
my 2p

I am not a developer too..or not considering me in that sort of group,because of the amount of time I spend in this (about 1-2hrs a week).
Just customized a Rom to my needs and I will be glad to share if someone wants it,freely!
Every person needs to find a good balance to Private life and Rom Developement,etc.. If this development is such time consuming,calm down..review your time!
Don't pretend donations (they are always appreciated but not to be Pretended or cast something up)
Development (and programming in general) in this forum are passions that we share together..

TehPenguin said:
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, that's my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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I don't think ANYONE is being a hypocrite on this thread, we are just supporting developers who have had their work abused and used by another party. I have the greatest admiration for the clever people who develop the amazing Rom's for our chosen PDA, without them our universals would now be an out of date device. I personally provide files and work to the LIMIT of my own abilities, and any rom I feel worth using, then I donate to the developer. I feel thats what this forum is all about. Yes I am guilty of not supporting ANY host of download sites, and was not aware that this puts you out of pocket till now. without the hosts support to this forum it would be useless but it is not unreasonable for people to express their OWN opinion.
Respectfully
Jay

responderman said:
I don't think ANYONE is being a hypocrite on this thread, we are just supporting developers who have had their work abused and used by another party. I have the greatest admiration for the clever people who develop the amazing Rom's for our chosen PDA, without them our universals would now be an out of date device. I personally provide files and work to the LIMIT of my own abilities, and any rom I feel worth using, then I donate to the developer. I feel thats what this forum is all about. Yes I am guilty of not supporting ANY host of download sites, and was not aware that this puts you out of pocket till now. without the hosts support to this forum it would be useless but it is not unreasonable for people to express their OWN opinion.
Respectfully
Jay
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Thats a good point to note as well - Hosting cost me money, but it also costs the people who host this forum money. So, I wonder how many people have noticed the Donate link at the top of this page (near the Wiki link)...

Disagree with Beastie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally disagree with Beastie on this matter! If you take a look at the installed software on that Uni it has SPB Finance, Weather and Pocket Plus retailing at 70$ as well as a quite long list of other appz. More than that what we do here isn't fully legal either or at least moral. For example in our ROMs we include software that we do not have a licence or any right to use like MSVoiceCommand, MSOffice, HTC Stuff etc, etc, if you compare this to a PC it would be like buying a PC with Win98 then taking a copy(image) of a friend WinXP(with Office, and other apps) and loading it on your one. Do you thing this is right? And also if someone would do the same and sell this "New" PC complain about it. You develop for your own fun and hobby. If you decided to share something not very moral with others, don't complain when someone does something that is not fully moral by your judgement. Morality or legality of this matter is a subjective matter. And do understand the concept of open source. I'm coming from a Mozilla exdeveloper background. And Mozilla is used in numerous commercial applications with proper credits. You have no right to claim that someone used your work to make money on it, as you are using someone else work in your own interests (name, hobby, any reason). You have your reasons to make just what that guy did for his reasons(in his case money). One thief is judjung another!!! How moral is that??? Of course you do develop your own tools and enchacements, BUT on top of a STOLEN OS!!! Microsoft, HTC,etc invested money and time in their developers, designers, markeing depts. to bring this OS to life, and if they decide they don't want to give it for free it is their choice as a business model. You do not have the right to steal this OS tweak it and claim that it is YOUR and someone should pay you for this. Look a the whole picture not that just some guy used the ROM you dont own but tweaked it and claim it is yours.
PS. Last night i posted my 1st ever ROM on this forum wich is as vanilla as possible(for me), the reasons behind postin it here was exactly that. Anyone can download it and tweak it to his own use, or install new soft one it, new soft keybd, new media player, fast GPS soft etc, etc. I didn't own that OS, I took it of Thingonasping wich took it from someone else. You spend a some time and money in "developing" "your" ROMs, corporations spend billions on that, and someone comes along and steals it. Now that person do not have the need to upgrade his device anymore as "his" new OS will keep him happy for a while. How much damage do you do then to even HTC themselves who didn't sell another unit as their potential customer didn't buy it cos he's got his old device new features(without permision from legal developer).
PS. And how do you know or are so sure that he used "Your" ROM? Maybe he took your kitchen and compiled it, (wich in your view and interpretation), makes it "His" ROM now, isn't it?

I feel sorry for the poor sod who will buy this Universal:
1. As far as legality is concerned, any stolen goods doesn't pass the title of ownership to the buyer. Even though the buyer is unaware of this theft and he/she is innocent, the ownership title doesn't pass to him/her. A case in point about Spb software on the phone, which we are assuming installed on the phone illegally.
2. To add to this the poor sod's nightmare, he/she will be lumbered with Windows Mobile 6 with full of bugs. For sure it won't have video calling.
KOR!

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Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?

I wish you good luck Olipro, it's very anoying that someone is mass selling your work

Unlocker
I unlocked my device using your tool and it was successful without any issues... unfortunately (or fortunately (dunno)); I'm not living in the UK but I would like to help thou if I can
just give your sign man

Burn the bleeder!!!!
Olipro.
I'd like to think i speak for all.....
The amount of time you and others have spent is outstanding... and you do so for the community for free.
Having some guy take this "free for personal use utility" and sell it.. amounts to ... lets say... theft... and well deserved for a good kickin.
I know that ebay will take action to stop anyone selling a product if there is a copyright infringement. .. don't know if that is a path...
But.. Branding the utilities.. and basically making it clearly written that it is not ALLOWED to SELL... and if they purchased it.. please contact the seller for a refund.. will make it a real pain in the backside...
As for existing on sale products.... I'd put adds in totally copying the listing.. and making it free!!! or charge a penny... including the line...
"why pay XYZ £x.xx for this unlocker.. when you can buy it now for a penny.. (or we can make it less than the other seller....) and make the payments all go to the actual developers paypal donations account!!!
???
I'm happy to do it.. (i have an ebay account i really don't mind burning...)
PM me and we can do this...

Wasted effort.
You guys could probably find something far more productive to do with your time than wasting effort on someone who is selling something that was given away for free.
Just like Monster (like redbull) has been running around, giving away cans of their product. Anyone who wants to can sell those cans to anyone who is willing to pay for them. There's nothing wrong with that, either.
That isn't to say, I don't appreciate your efforts Olipro, I do. But frankly, even if you charged for it, I would pay you because it's worth it to me. Without a second thought as to how you came about it, whether you wrote it.
I simply couldn't care less--neither do any of this guy's buyers. Why should they?

actually, i was aiming for a settlement, but if that's not forthcoming then I'll lodge a claim.

Olipro said:
Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
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what kinda help you looking for? I'm willing to help you, just let me know what you need

If it is only one (or a few) bloke you have a strong case.
I don't know wether I can be of any help as I am living in Holland.

As Olipro has already admitted he cannot copyright or licence this as he has hacked the AMSS.
"Yes folks... the one you've been waiting for... finally managed to get the patched AMSS to boot... a nice big "up your arse" to Qualcomm."
A hacker cannot licence anything they hack as it is someone elses work in the first place. He is also using a patched Radio rom. This Radio rom is HTC property, and as such he cannot licence that.
These threads are getting very boring, it is about time Olipro got a life, and stopped crying about it.
Tinman

^ ouch did he really just do that?

Yeah he did. Only problem with his statement would be if he used Olipro's HardSPL at ANY TIME in the past or present for ANY DEVICE that he wanted to flash a cooked ROM to. Pot calling the bong green? Let's find out...
(insert sarcasm) Hey Tinman, ever flash a cooked ROM onto an HTC device before?
*sigh* Seriously... I support Oli's "right to fair trade". He along with many others developed the tools *we all* use to make our phones as customized as we can make them (big props to you Oli; HardSPL v1 for the Kaiser is on point!), and some pond water scum (he did say it was a bloke, right?) is selling his FREE programs?! Yeah, I'd be looking to "settle" as well. So don't jump down *his* throat saying he needs to get a life. Try the word "hobby", since for most of us that's all it is, and I'm sure cooking, flashing and ROM development is a hobby for him as well.
Oli, you've got support here in the states, especially with us AT&Tingular folks. Keep up the good work, and if you find the fool(s) behind this, shove one of those Cricket paddles in his arse for us! Or at least reach some sort of agreement...

It was Des who first made a hacked spl, Pof then took it a stage further, Olipro's is based on those. So again not his work.
Tinman.

rush242 said:
You guys could probably find something far more productive to do with your time than wasting effort on someone who is selling something that was given away for free.
Just like Monster (like redbull) has been running around, giving away cans of their product. Anyone who wants to can sell those cans to anyone who is willing to pay for them. There's nothing wrong with that, either.
That isn't to say, I don't appreciate your efforts Olipro, I do. But frankly, even if you charged for it, I would pay you because it's worth it to me. Without a second thought as to how you came about it, whether you wrote it.
I simply couldn't care less--neither do any of this guy's buyers. Why should they?
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That is the stupidest example I have ever heard. This is more like someone taking redbull and selling redbull as their own brand, not a different one because they did nothing other than copy the EXACT software, ass.

Olipro said:
Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river

wingman_214 said:
Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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In the UK they got the Themes it might work Oli, just give a big shout out and i'll help!
i'll hold his legs

Doug2873 said:
That is the stupidest example I have ever heard. This is more like someone taking redbull and selling redbull as their own brand, not a different one because they did nothing other than copy the EXACT software, ass.
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The stupidest example you've ever heard, eh? "Well, no offense, lady, but what you don't know could fill a warehouse." --Bart Simpson.
If you buy a can of redbull, or if redbull gives you the can for free, you DO have the right to sell that exact can. Or as many of them as you wish.
You do not have the right to claim the brand as your own, but you do have the right to sell the item. These ROMs, unlockers, bits o' software, et cetera are no different.
The seller cannot claim that he has a copyright on them, or that he wrote them but he is perfectly within his rights to sell them whether anyone likes it or not. Rest assured, he can and will still sell them w/o claiming that he wrote them.

wingman_214 said:
Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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Hey, wouldn't it be grand if HTC, and AT&T and all the other guys that own these ROMs, et cetera, sent thugs to send all of the cookers here into the Rio Grande swimming face down? You know, because it "amounts to ... lets say... theft... and well deserved for a good kickin."
Oh, wait, you don't want that? Why is that, do you think?
Maybe those corporations could all just file suit against these guys? Would that be better?
Or would it be better that, like they do now, they just tacitly accept this stuff and generally ignore it?

i think the only thing you can do is sell your unlocker at a low price and add in one thing that most of the other sellers wont probably do. Give exact help. What better for a buyer to see is that they are buying the item from the creator.
Unfortuanatly there is no legal way to stop these other sellers and as long as good guys like yourself give us free brilliant programs your gonna get the odd ar*ehole thats gonna make money off it.
And to thoughs who ***** about how oli, why read his thread why use his program. God sake if your smart enough create your own program, and i hope you get someone that goes and sells your program and see how you like it!
thanks oli for services to this forum

to the sobs who r hating on oli go to helll. the guy creates/improves a wonderful program and this is how u thank him???? oli i am greatful 4 ur work as i use it.
oli is not making money by helping people get liberation from their piece of **** oem spl/roms; therefore att and htc really can't come after him. seondly if it wasn't for hackers/developers u would not have internet as it is today. hackers weret he ones who built the www. so long live hackers and people like olipro and go to hell corporate lovers.
p.s. i just hope none u losers r using his or any chefs roms ... hypocrits

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to the sobs who r hating on oli go to helll. the guy creates/improves a wonderful program and this is how u thank him???? oli i am greatful 4 ur work as i use it.
oli is not making money by helping people get liberation from their piece of **** oem spl/roms; therefore att and htc really can't come after him. seondly if it wasn't for hackers/developers u would not have internet as it is today. hackers weret he ones who built the www. so long live hackers and people like olipro and go to hell corporate lovers.
p.s. i just hope none u losers r using his or any chefs roms ... hypocrits
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What are you 12? This is nearly incoherent.
No one is saying Oli and the rest can't do what they do, or that other people cannot use their tools. They're saying that once you release something to someone else--you lose control over it, be that some software you hacked, some can of redbull, a used car, or anything else. I love what they do, I pay them for it, and I would even if they charged for it. That doesn't mean that they can control what others do with it.
Yeah, um haxx0rz rulz lol omg!

good idea

i think we should all donate some money and contact the company thats creating the diamond ROM. Give the money to the site. Could this be done?

micgrob said:
i think we should all donate some money and contact the company thats creating the diamond ROM. Could this be done?
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why would we donate to HTC? They make millions each year. Or are you suggesting that we donate to rom cooks? In that case many people who can afford it do donate. This thread is stupid and unnecessary.

LoL!!
Dont be soo hard with the guy, he seems to be new to the forum.
@micgrob : essentially, the ROM is made by Ms moded by HTC, so theres no chance to donate a good quantity to any of both (the earn millions each year)

i ment donate to a mod on this site and contact the makers of the diamond rom, see if they could possibly make the diamond rom compatible on our device, or implement the graphics drivers into our kaiser roms

LOL

WOW...hahahahaha

i think i've donated enough to htc over the years

Genius.
Let me donate $400. Maybe they'll send me a phone.

haha this thread is cute

I've already donated $420 to HTC/ATT/Microsoft when I bought my phone back in October.
microgb, like someone else said, there is no 3rd party making ROMs for Diamond. Microsoft made Windows Mobile that HTC modifies and puts in their devices. Nobody else is involved in this ROM-making task. Think of XP or Vista that comes with Dell, Gateway, HP, etc. The OS is made my Microsoft but the individual companies add their craps or modify/tweak it a little bit and put it in their devices.

Donation is really good idea
Well Well Well. I agree that this is such a good idea. I really love it since we can't get the proper driver by buying the phone. Therefore if we donate our money to this "LOVELY & GENEROUS" company, we definitely get the extra ordinary driver which will be, for sure, faster than the new incoming Nvidia chip + Driver phone.

WOW cute idea,,,i think most of us has start donate to HTC since long time ago..

its so nice we children under 12 year old join the forum.
on the other hand who with less than 12 has a kaiser lol this thread made my day hahahahahh!!!!!

All Developer

OK i have friends that want a pimp out phone like mines. Right now im waiting for dudes1.0 but i have jf1.50 and gloss theme they like what i have and im thinking of charging them money for me to install what i have...so the question is if it is ok if i charge people to install your work on their phone?
Thank You
You guys are right probably I don't want to do this also my friends are lazy and not that good with computer come on I had to even explain to them what 3gp means. Anyways they know about this site so they could do it by themselves. Thanks for the opinions everyone. NO MORE 24/7

Wow... I can see this going so many ways
Here's my opinion (that's just me, you still have to consult all the dev)
Point your friends to this site and give them reasonable explanation how to use info here. If they are up for the chanllenge-great, let them do it. If not- then you can do it but you should consider that
1. You will be liable if you brick one's phone
2. You will become 24/7 tech. support/firmware update/"can you do....(insert your own request here)...for me"/my toaster broke, and since you're good with this kind of things..../whatever else guy
3. If, for any reason, they need to return the phone to T-mo you will be responcible for bringing it back to factory state.
4. It would be only fair that you split any moneys that you receive with those who contributed to firmware/theme/mods.
With that said.... I would do it for free for my friends in exchange of not beeing that support guy. I mean I'd help them and everything but I don't need calls in the middle of the night. Still, eventhough I would do it for free, I would require that my friends donate at least few bucks to whoever's work I would be using.
Good luck, I would love to see what actual devs have to say.

You should do it just for fun and without charging money.. this is why friends are called friends..

Charge them, then give 50% to the dev

In my experience even if you don't charge to root and what-not you will still become 24/7 tech support for them. I am the tech guy in my group of friends and I never charged a dime(unless I had to go buy hardware). Root their phones, send them here, make them read, also try explaining a few things and let them know where the friggin' search function is and they'll be fine, but if they decide to call you in the middle of the night needeing help, subtly hint that you're broke and could use some cash for beer

tubaking182 said:
In my experience even if you don't charge to root and what-not you will still become 24/7 tech support for them. I am the tech guy in my group of friends and I never charged a dime(unless I had to go buy hardware). Root their phones, send them here, make them read, also try explaining a few things and let them know where the friggin' search function is and they'll be fine, but if they decide to call you in the middle of the night needeing help, subtly hint that you're broke and could use some cash for beer
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I hear you.... and I don't have problem helping anybody, I just want to do it when I have time and not 24/7.
Happy modding

tubaking182 said:
...you're broke and could use some cash for beer
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Dantehman, always includes Beer Money!

a very sad new to who knows MRX3NET ( HANON A. BELISKONI )

I'm mrx3net's brother who gave free unlock codes to many members here.
I have a very sad news to all , my brother is on the hospital from sunday morning because he is now a victime of THE SWIN FLU don't know how he got it but it's a real disaster to our family, his wife and his little son.
Doctors said ; there is no way to keep him alive just to pray if GOD want to send a miracle .
I ask every one here in this great community to pray for him to get well ( I hope so ).
he had few financial problems before and i come from Israel for this to solve it we had 3 houses here in Casablanca/Morocco and we wanted to sell all and this the only way to solve all his problem and back to Israel and live a normal life like all the family...
I started this thread just because i checked his email and see lots of people ask for codes to unlock mobiles and usb modems , we were working together on this when we was at the university but he left me and come to Morocco to start his own project, everythings went will tell this year.
i Will not talk like he is dead but it's really bad to know that my very close brother to my heart fighting the death alone and doctors can't do anything.!!!
PRAY FOR HIM TO GET WELL
I ask all don't care about his religion , yes we are jews but we like all our cousins Christians, Muslims.... he never hurt any one
Btw my name is Shemon ,If there is anything to do with him ? Contact me directly.
my email: [email protected]
Thank to Intan Comp unlockmodem he's friend to give me his username to post here.
Pray for him please

We're all with him and his family mate!

Wishing him & the family all the best in a difficult time...your in our prayers.

We all are here with you with him and we are praying for him and hope that everything will be fine soon .

I will pray for him. All the best for the family.

With Hashem's help he will get better. The Hebrew people are a strong nation and hopefully he will pull through.
unlockmodem said:
I'm mrx3net's brother who gave free unlock codes to many members here.
I have a very sad news to all , my brother is on the hospital from sunday morning because he is now a victime of THE SWIN FLU don't know how he got it but it's a real disaster to our family, his wife and his little son.
Doctors said ; there is no way to keep him alive just to pray if GOD want to send a miracle .
I ask every one here in this great community to pray for him to get well ( I hope so ).
he had few financial problems before and i come from Israel for this to solve it we had 3 houses here in Casablanca/Morocco and we wanted to sell all and this the only way to solve all his problem and back to Israel and live a normal life like all the family...
I started this thread just because i checked his email and see lots of people ask for codes to unlock mobiles and usb modems , we were working together on this when we was at the university but he left me and come to Morocco to start his own project, everythings went will tell this year.
i Will not talk like he is dead but it's really bad to know that my very close brother to my heart fighting the death alone and doctors can't do anything.!!!
PRAY FOR HIM TO GET WELL
I ask all don't care about his religion , yes we are jews but we like all our cousins Christians, Muslims.... he never hurt any one
Btw my name is Shemon ,If there is anything to do with him ? Contact me directly.
my email: [email protected]
Thank to Intan Comp unlockmodem he's friend to give me his username to post here.
Pray for him please
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Best wishes to your brother and your family. You are in our prayers.

I am sure all of the guys here wish him good health and happiness
I will pray for him and I am sure many others will do the same.

mrx3net is our company email/username : Mrx3 network and i'm still using it for replaying to anyone and give codes to everybody
btw i'm a money exchanger and website builder and a freelancer
and my brother's name is Hanon Ayoub a. beliskoni u can ask any one who got codes from him
Now i will take the job and will give support to who ask for it and start new service for free here too
Another thing i opened this thread to let members pray for him to get well and back to the project again.
About IP here is dsl dynamic IP address it's change every restart of the pc
I hope you understand me.
Now everything is changed to ShemonBel and will give support to this community and will reset his password to be able to check his PM box at this forum and replay to all.
Please pray for my brother
thanks for caring about us
ShemonBel

Even thought I do not know MRX3NET.
I wish him a fast recovery and strength to his family.
Great initiative of yours to continue his work in the meantime.

Very sad news.
I'm really wish your brother to get well as soon as possible

My prayers and wishes are with your brother and your family.

thank you all for supporting us, it's very nice to see nice members like you!
I don't know how can thanks you and this great community

Any news about your brothers status?

I hope your brother will recover soon. I assume you have discussed with the doctors the possibility of hooking him up to an ECMO machine if things start to look bad. It's not for everyone, but it saves lives. I don't know if there is an ECMO machine near where he is. But it is something to discuss and keep in mind.
I wish the entire family all the best.

I mean no offense at all, but swine flu isnt deadly, unless your brother had pre existing health problems (aids, cancer, weakened immune system etc..).
Swine flu is just a normal flu. Only very young child or elderly people could be harmed by it.
I dont mean to offend anyone, but i m just curious about this story.
Anyway, best wishes in all cases.

guigui42 said:
I mean no offense at all, but swine flu isnt deadly, unless your brother had pre existing health problems (aids, cancer, weakened immune system etc..).
Swine flu is just a normal flu. Only very young child or elderly people could be harmed by it.
I dont mean to offend anyone, but i m just curious about this story.
Anyway, best wishes in all cases.
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For the vast majority of cases - yes, you are right. However, there are documented cases of people who were young, totally healthy with no previous history of illness, and yet they died from the swine flu. In other cases (many cases), it is so mild, that it goes unnoticed.
So, chances are very high that - if you get it - you'll be fine. A challenging aspect is that up until now there is no way of telling if you will be one of the few that is hit hard by it (I mean if you are otherwise totally healthy). That's why it's important to keep an eye on your symptoms, and at the first signs of a worsening condition, you should seek medical treatment. There are antiviral drugs available, but just because you get the swine flu does not mean you should go on those meds right away. You have to weigh it out with the possible side effects of the antiviral drugs compared to your particular swine flue condition.
And to keep things in perspective, the regular flu kills far more people every year. However, we can better predict who is at high risk in that case.
Anyway, this is an XDA forum, so I won't go into medical topics too in depth. I'll leave it at that.

I'm sorry but I have to agree with guigui42. I understand that your concerned that your brother has caught it, but it's nothing big anymore. When it first kicked up it was, but in some countries this is a pandemic - In england it has been widespread... I've had it, and several friends and family have had it.
It's horrible to have, but it's very rare to kill you. I doubt it even counts as a lucky escape not to die, and feel the original post was rather dramatised. I really do not mean to cause any offense, but no, I will not pray for one individual that has it, when there are countries full of people,
oh and guess what people, there are still far more worse things out there like the AIDS pandemic, cancer, and even sudden killers like heart attacks and strokes.
My sympathy is for anyone that finds out they are a victim of one of them.

Hi all
Doctors said that his healt is stable at this time and he will be Ok in few days i don't have more info because they don't help alot here in this country everything must be top secret i don't know why
in the same hospital there are 5 men with the swin flu virus but they don't tell anyone even on TV