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Firmware Build only For Developers? my Demand to Google / HTC

I think being a Open Source Code and Openness in Architecture, API Google Should Ship Different Firmware for Developers, Software Builders, Codec Programmer etc.
Better for Google / T-Mobile / HTC
They can restrict Developer Device to get Back Normal Shipped Firmware.
Developer Device Activation Method can be Introduced so Once you Activate that IMEI for Developer Edition you could get only Limited Warranty from HTC for that IMEI.
Once you load Different Firmware, company may not allow you to Flash Normal Shipped / OTA Firmware signed by Different Signature.
Developer Edition of Firmware can have Test Key or Developer Key based Recovery Partition. But can not Erased the way we did it before.
Developer firmware must be only available via SDCard Method
No OTA should be given except for some killbits Urgency.
Their should be Disclaimer and Agreement for Warranty Issue
Better for Developers
Rather then Fighting for root this could be Straight Access to Device
No More Hacking and Exploits needed.
Building Firmware, API, Services, Codes which need Root Access can be Tested with Device rather then Emulator.
Customizing OS and using it for Self and Distributing it to user who can take risk may get easy Access to Mods.
Google Should Protect Recovery Image and Boot Image from being Flashed this will reduce Bricking Issue.
Please report your Comments here
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1266&can=4

This won't happen. They will plainly tell you to build your own version and thats logical too. G1's version of Android is T-Mobile's, they paid for it, so it has everything that T-Mobile wants, and its for the average user who doesnt care about root etc. If you want a developer version, you can always compile it with default root access n stuff, thats the beauty of Open source.

Building Customized Firmware that's what i am saying unless you don't have root access you can not Build and Flash Customized Image. and in RC30 Release they have removed root access and telnetd.
Means they have stopped all door for Customizing firmware and flash it.

hetaldp said:
Means they have stopped all door for Customizing firmware and flash it.
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I would not say that the stopped or closed all doors for customizing. Yes they took aways root but it does not mean we wont find a new door. With hacking any device its all about finding the newer better way to get in.

If you look at the amount of time that has been spent on Android since it was originally announced the development time is incredibly short. For that reason I could see Google wanting to restrict root access until they are more certain of the potential complications of allowing access to the various parts. Perhaps we'll see a gradual releas of root access as the error handling capability of Android is improved.
Or that could just be wishful thinking. At this point I'm wishing that I hadn't taken the official RC30, but too late now

Rather then sitting idle and wishing for Google to rethink and give us root access gradually is not enough we should sign the link above and suggest them for that requirement.

benmyers2941 said:
If you look at the amount of time that has been spent on Android since it was originally announced the development time is incredibly short. For that reason I could see Google wanting to restrict root access until they are more certain of the potential complications of allowing access to the various parts. Perhaps we'll see a gradual releas of root access as the error handling capability of Android is improved.
Or that could just be wishful thinking. At this point I'm wishing that I hadn't taken the official RC30, but too late now
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Android was under development for 5 or 6 years before they announced it. It wasn't as rushed as you make it sound.

RyeBrye said:
Android was under development for 5 or 6 years before they announced it. It wasn't as rushed as you make it sound.
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Five or six years seems terribly long. I know they did a lot of work on the dalvik VM but still.. I wouldn't be surprised if they had lost of lot of time in legalese and negotiation with hw maker and providers. I work in telco, although not the mobile industry and you can barely imagine the bully tactic employed by the big names to keep challengers out.. Ya don't wanna lose yar winmo 6 preferred pricing ar righ'?
Anyway, if it's true I'm even more surprised at some of the current shortcoming of the platform. Internationalization and lack of support for bluetooth comes to mind first.
But anyway, it's a young platform in terms of "days in the wild" and it's already quite good. What I'm a little bit afraid of is that T-Mo might not keep the update coming to bring new features to the phone in order to get people to upgrade their handset. We'll see.
As for developer build, Google has said that they would release Android so you could build your own device not that every device would be open.
I believe your demand should have been addressed to T-Mobile, not to Google nor HTC. Having an open device would be a tremendous benefit for Google as it would attract more qualified hobbyist developers to the Android platform. HTC probably doesn't really care either way, they're in the business of selling hardware, once you bought it they won't see any of the additional revenue stream, so if they can move ten thousand more unit because some people would like to use them as development device, I'm pretty sure they'd be for it. Assuming they don't have to support the cost of technical support for those "customized" devices.

RyeBrye said:
Android was under development for 5 or 6 years before they announced it. It wasn't as rushed as you make it sound.
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Where did you get your information? I doubt that the entire OS was under development for 5 or 6 years. Maybe they started the idea of making a mobile OS but I don't think they actually have been coding it. I think it has been more product development not software. Things like (capacitive or resistive) or (mini USB or proprietary) and of course (on screen or hardware keyboard... or both)
Think about it they have to have a device in mind or a general lay out of the device before making the OS for it.

neoobs said:
Where did you get your information? I doubt that the entire OS was under development for 5 or 6 years. Maybe they started the idea of making a mobile OS but I don't think they actually have been coding it. I think it has been more product development not software. Things like (capacitive or resistive) or (mini USB or proprietary) and of course (on screen or hardware keyboard... or both)
Think about it they have to have a device in mind or a general lay out of the device before making the OS for it.
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Hehe... That is most peoples understanding aswell.
Android is NOT Google's property (at least that I know of). Android has been in development for 5-6 years WITHOUT Google.
Android did not get the time of day UNTILL Google joined.

Then it wasn't being developed... it was staleware that google dusted off... I understand it isn't google's software but honestly you can't build something without knowing what devices it will be on. If built 6 years ago... it would have been built for devices from 6 years ago using resistive screens, proprietary connections, and most likely an onscreen keyboard. Mobile devices have changed a lot in 5 years and that would mean android was rebuilt from the ground up, if it was made 5 years ago. I think there may have been development and ideas 5 years ago but nothing even close to a working model(alpha software)

Being based on Linux, it is already extremely flexible with regards to hardware requirements. The only real requirement I am aware of is an ARM processor > 200 mhz...
Google bought Android in August of 2005, at that point in time, the company had existed for 22 months. So definitely some design elements of the OS have existed that long.

Yea but you have to write new code for each piece of hardware to interface with the OS... and things like resistive and capacitive screens are the big ones because of how the UI will be... Think about how WM6 would be if you had to use the center of your finger instead of a stylus? The UI for WM7 (whatever it will be called) has to change because it is supposed to be used on capacitive devices. Same goes with other things like how it will interface with USB and the keyboard(easiest) But each thing needs to interface into the OS and each of those are what takes time and all of those look rushed. I am also guessing that Google spent time recoding the email app and calendar and contact apps to interface with their servers as well. So what is left from android before google started? Does anyone have any proof or should I just say citation is needed?

neoobs said:
Yea but you have to write new code for each piece of hardware to interface with the OS... and things like resistive and capacitive screens are the big ones because of how the UI will be... Think about how WM6 would be if you had to use the center of your finger instead of a stylus? The UI for WM7 (whatever it will be called) has to change because it is supposed to be used on capacitive devices. Same goes with other things like how it will interface with USB and the keyboard(easiest) But each thing needs to interface into the OS and each of those are what takes time and all of those look rushed. I am also guessing that Google spent time recoding the email app and calendar and contact apps to interface with their servers as well. So what is left from android before google started? Does anyone have any proof or should I just say citation is needed?
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That is what I am saying. Android is specifically designed to abstract all of those things. Want to add a new method for input? Fine, make a kernel module for it... Want to add a new interface port? Fine, make a kernel module for it. The modules are provided by either the device manufacturer (depending on how they've licensed the particular technology) or by the chipset manufacturer... This is no different than how the same distribution of Linux can run on x86, ARM, PPC, & Itanium with hundreds of different chipsets, network cards, etc.
From the very beginning Google has been saying that Android will run on a wide variety of phone hardware, even going so far as saying it could run on flip phones.

Yes but google had to create all of those for the G1 and it didn't have 5-6 years to do it.
Although I doubt it would work well on resisitive screens would be weird as its interface is meant for capacitive.

neoobs said:
Yes but google had to create all of those for the G1 and it didn't have 5-6 years to do it.
Although I doubt it would work well on resisitive screens would be weird as its interface is meant for capacitive.
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Yes and that is why Linux kernels are sweet.
The kernel is set, done, finished (of course with room for upgrades).
All you need to do is create kernel modules ("drivers" for the rest of us, [I use Windows & Fedora]) for hardware to comunicate with the kernel.
The kernel has been there for a while, being developed by people who wanted an open phone OS. You can develope an OS regardless of what hardware is out there right now.
If you want to think of it in Windows terms, it's exactly the same. XP was writen years ago and that Kernel is still the same, but all you need is drivers for new hardware to comunicate with the windows kernel.
Actually now that I think about it, I beleave the XP kernel is still based on the 2K kernel. I'll look it up.

Google made Dalvik, and a couple of the applications, the members of the Open Handset Alliance provided the kernel level modules.
I found an article from earlier this summer that briefly goes over the timeline and what Google had in mind with this whole thing: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/magazine/16-07/ff_android?currentPage=all

quedijo said:
Yes and that is why Linux kernels are sweet.
The kernel is set, done, finished (of course with room for upgrades).
All you need to do is create kernel modules ("drivers" for the rest of us, [I use Windows & Fedora]) for hardware to comunicate with the kernel.
The kernel has been there for a while, being developed by people who wanted an open phone OS. You can develope an OS regardless of what hardware is out there right now.
If you want to think of it in Windows terms, it's exactly the same. XP was writen years ago and that Kernel is still the same, but all you need is drivers for new hardware to comunicate with the windows kernel.
Actually now that I think about it, I beleave the XP kernel is still based on the 2K kernel. I'll look it up.
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XP was built on the NT kernel along with Vista and everything else made since 2000. Although that kernel is not the same at all anymore... sure it has all the same features but has been tweaked to all heck.
One thing I don't understand is where is the developer version or at least updated emulator package?

neoobs said:
One thing I don't understand is where is the developer version or at least updated emulator package?
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http://source.android.com/
The emulator doesn't have to be updated. It's just QEMU with a fancy GUI. Assuming they're keeping the repo over there up to date, you should be able to check out the latest version, build the images, fire it up in the emulator, and be on your way... and if you have a rooted G1, as long as you include the proprietary stuff from HTC (kernel modules that I'm sure they can't GPL), you should be able to boot it up... which, unless I am mistaken, is exactly what JesusFreke did in the first place.

Everybody Please make Comment on this Issue with Official G1 Suggestion Thread i opened
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1266&can=4
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Official Huawei Ascend Thread

I thought I would go ahead and make a general thread for the Cricket Huawei Ascend until something more concrete comes along. My apologies to the Mods if the word “Official " is not approved. I just want a section where people can post anything and everything about thier Android Ascends since, well, as we all know, XDA rocks and people are more inclined to look here first then any other development website!
So, post up folks! There are a few of us who have these phones and are pretty well versed when it comes to the ins and outs! I will post up some small write ups and what you can do to get a little extra bang for the buck in the speed department of things and I am sure a lot of others have valuable and up to date information!
I’ll start by posting what I have said about this phone in another thread.
Rooting this phone and removing some of the pre-installed apps and files is a must.
z4 root works great with this phone. Nothing towards Superoneclick but lets face it, its way to complicated for the average user and even then, it's hard to get working. z4 root is a total win in this case, I have managed to delete half the junk the phone came with and have noticed a slight performance boost although it's not much to brag about with a 600Mhz processor. A custom kernel is almost a must as well. I can not play non market games, it's slow if you try to multitask and is all around slow coming from an expert Droid user.
Lastly, the Swipe keyboard. Who ever would want to use that! What a slow nightmare it is to try to type with Swipe in my opinion, I deleted it. The stock keyboard is not much better. Get " Better Keyboard ", it's not nearly as laggy and it can actually keep up with fast texting.
BUT, there is a bright side to all the cons ( almost all the cons )
Rooting, deleting junk and downloading Better Keyboard makes this phone an awesome entry level phone that can hold it's own with the mid range phones. It's no Evo by any means, but, it's a step closer to becoming an affordable real “smart phone ".
The ability to overclock would make it 100% indeed a smart phone and more then capable of holding it's own vs. $300+ phones. It's a project phone, you get what you pay for but, if you have a little time and patience, you too can own a get Android device with no contract, low monthly payments and hours of entertainment from the Android platform. I, am sold on this phone. I have owned other Android type phones and I can honestly say, this phone can be some competition.
Sure it has a poor quality LCD screen and can be buggy out of the box, but like I said, a little patience and determination is what makes this phone enjoyable. And, after all, it's not like it needs constant maintenance. Just a few steps to take out of the box and your set. For $150, I can't complain now that my phone is working like an Android phone should work.

Phone runs a lot smoother without all the provider apps.
Rooted M860 selfinflicted1

I'm working on getting this phone deodexed, if there is anyone else with this phone that has some technical ability or experience with odex files, let me know, that way this can go a lot easier and quicker... If not, I'll figure it out myself...

If i knew how to deodex maybe i could help? Teach me?
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Awesome a thread for the m860. I've been messing around with this phone for past couple days. I have mine rooted and all the bloatware removed. I wish someone would come out with some custom roms already for this phone. This is only my 2nd Android phone ever. The first one was the htc hero, which i could do whatever i want with it and it worked great on cricket.
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joenathane said:
I'm working on getting this phone deodexed, if there is anyone else with this phone that has some technical ability or experience with odex files, let me know, that way this can go a lot easier and quicker... If not, I'll figure it out myself...
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I’m not to much into the real tech end of things when it comes to programming and such, sorry I can not be much help. If there is a project or anything I can do to help out, let me know.

xlarkascendingx said:
If i knew how to deodex maybe i could help? Teach me?
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I'm using this tool here http://www.droidforums.net/forum/xeudoxus/47283-release-xultimate.html
but I'm running in to some issues, it's only a matter of time before I get it figured out, lot of reading and experimenting to do...

Ben's said:
I’m not to much into the real tech end of things when it comes to programming and such, sorry I can not be much help. If there is a project or anything I can do to help out, let me know.
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I'll let you know, I'm almost finished with the theme, I just need to make the text readable in a couple of places, namely the system clock and the menus that pop up when you press the menu button...
ALSO I wanted to remind everyone, if you haven't done so already, "everyone should request support for the Ascend for the clockworkmod rom manager, that would be the real first step to getting some real modding done on the Ascend, I nearly bricked my phone a few times working on that theme, I had to reflash my phone back to stock 3 times.... which really sucks. Contact page is here for clockworkmod http://www.clockworkmod.com/contact and here is the contact email address [email protected]"
With the clockwork mod it would be very trivial to experiment with the phone, because if you/I mess up the phone wouldn't need to be flashed back to factory just flashed back to just before it was messed up, which would be awesome....

joenathane said:
I'll let you know, I'm almost finished with the theme, I just need to make the text readable in a couple of places, namely the system clock and the menus that pop up when you press the menu button...
ALSO I wanted to remind everyone, if you haven't done so already, "everyone should request support for the Ascend for the clockworkmod rom manager, that would be the real first step to getting some real modding done on the Ascend, I nearly bricked my phone a few times working on that theme, I had to reflash my phone back to stock 3 times.... which really sucks. Contact page is here for clockworkmod http://www.clockworkmod.com/contact and here is the contact email address [email protected]"
With the clockwork mod it would be very trivial to experiment with the phone, because if you/I mess up the phone wouldn't need to be flashed back to factory just flashed back to just before it was messed up, which would be awesome....
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My e-mail has been fired away! Like I said, any help or support I can give would be my pleasure.

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I'll let you... <snip>
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Sent! Hopefully we get a response!

As for clockworkmod i don't think koush will consider it... :-\ because i been trying to contact him for the past two months and no answer... he even came out with a guide to do it ourselves or to send him one of our androids for a built. I mean i could understand the guy he must have other important matters to attend to but if he want it to he can make it in two days with his kind of expertise. I think were gonna have to port ourselves a flash recovery and sent it to him so he can make it official.
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Here is that guide for porting a flash recovery, hope that someone can figure it out cuz i have no idea what the guide says lol
http://bit.ly/9PQclY
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Those instructions aren't very detailed, they seem to assume that you've done an android build before...
He says he will do it if we loan him a phone, but I can't be without my phone for a week. The Ascend is cheap enough($109.99 on crickets website, it may have to be activated to get that price, but it's $150 in stores), I propose that we all donate a bit of money and purchase one to send to koush, the clockwork dude. It wouldn't take many people to donate for us to be able to do this...
I setup a paypal button for it
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=ASD4X4W4ANV3Q
As far as when he is done with the phone, I'm up for suggestions as far as what to do with it, we could sell it and then return as much money as possible back to the donors... However if I had an extra device to mess around with I would definitely use it to learn how to make custom roms, I would use it to try to port 2.3 over to our phone. Other than that I'm up for ideas...
We have an opportunity here to make some great things happen with our phone, let us not forsake this moment!!!!
If you think this is a good idea, either link back to this post or post the paypal link with the explanation to other Ascend forums or threads...
I'm down to donate $30... I will keep everyone updated as far as how much money gets donated...

Could anyone tell me how to ROOT Huawai U8150 Android 2.2?
Could anyone tell me how to ROOT Huawai U8150 Android 2.2?

jfsn0101 said:
Could anyone tell me how to ROOT Huawai U8150 Android 2.2?
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Try Z4Root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833953

partition
is there a guide to partitioning the sd card and installing all apps there?

210cnj said:
is there a guide to partitioning the sd card and installing all apps there?
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unless something has changed that feature is not available on Android 2.1 only 2.2 and up.
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has anyone else had problems and had to re root. Seems like once or twice now i have had to re root to solve download prblems. And i still cant download from the market. Any suggestions?
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I don't know about this being on the marketplace but z4root did the trick version 1.3
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ok i figured it out. Its cuz i removed gtalk service apps. They are linked some how. Can any one post a link to find the gtalk apk files. Would there be any other ways to get these files back? NEED HELP !!!
Rooted cant use market M860 XDA App

Testers wanted.

Looking for testers for a future project that i am currently trying to work on. Hopes to support in the end a wide varity of the samsung devices but for now im looking for samsung tab owners galaxy s 4g owners and vibrant owners that wanna help people that have extra devices welcome just drop me a line....
What is this you ask...
Well since phones are now starting to catch up fast as far as speed and storage and ram and video capabilities of some of the lower end laptops i am going to currently start working on a Ubuntu verrant that will a custom Linux environment based of course off the phone or tabs hardware.
But why would anyone want to do this?
Well the reason for it sometimes its not 100 percent pheaseable to carry around a notebook net book and a few other devices and u may need access to a pc this may fit your bill.. That and It would just be intristing to have a actual linux client running on a phone
What are the goals of this?
get the linux kernel compiled with the drivers we need for audio video phone radio bluetooth keyboard and mouse support along with keeping support for all other phone related functions.
linux client that boots and lets you log into the the x windows interface and launch apps would be a great start thats the second goal
third will be to get the linux client to work not only with some of the applicatons on linux but also retain the phones ability to run the phones applicatons as well.
THe overall goal of this would be to be able to when you wanted hook your phone using the tv out capablity (supported devices) and use a Bluetooth keyboard mouse and printer and use it as a net book u could also surf the web type up emails and or documents some of which already can be done on some of the devices.. THis might also open up another avenue that we could use or devices for.
This is just a quick summery feel free to leave comments call me crazy or what not lol..

Sounds like a good plan
RaverX3X said:
Looking for testers for a future project that i am currently trying to work on. Hopes to support in the end a wide varity of the samsung devices but for now im looking for samsung tab owners galaxy s 4g owners and vibrant owners that wanna help people that have extra devices welcome just drop me a line....
What is this you ask...
Well since phones are now starting to catch up fast as far as speed and storage and ram and video capabilities of some of the lower end laptops i am going to currently start working on a Ubuntu verrant that will a custom Linux environment based of course off the phone or tabs hardware.
But why would anyone want to do this?
Well the reason for it sometimes its not 100 percent pheaseable to carry around a notebook net book and a few other devices and u may need access to a pc this may fit your bill.. That and It would just be intristing to have a actual linux client running on a phone
What are the goals of this?
get the linux kernel compiled with the drivers we need for audio video phone radio bluetooth keyboard and mouse support along with keeping support for all other phone related functions.
linux client that boots and lets you log into the the x windows interface and launch apps would be a great start thats the second goal
third will be to get the linux client to work not only with some of the applicatons on linux but also retain the phones ability to run the phones applicatons as well.
THe overall goal of this would be to be able to when you wanted hook your phone using the tv out capablity (supported devices) and use a Bluetooth keyboard mouse and printer and use it as a net book u could also surf the web type up emails and or documents some of which already can be done on some of the devices.. THis might also open up another avenue that we could use or devices for.
This is just a quick summery feel free to leave comments call me crazy or what not lol..
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It sounds good too. A bit crazy but I like crazy. I would love to test but this is my only phone unless I can always odin back hence I'm scared of hard bricks
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I don't think screens on the phones are big enough for it to be convenient enough for people to use an OS like Ubuntu easily. Tablets are another story, of course.

adobrakic said:
I don't think screens on the phones are big enough for it to be convenient enough for people to use an OS like Ubuntu easily. Tablets are another story, of course.
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Hince why im going to do it on devices with tv out

i have 2 sgs4g im interested, however im a total newb at all this so it may require lots of explaining/teaching on your end
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sounds like a plan to me and
johnlaqua said:
i have 2 sgs4g im interested, however im a total newb at all this so it may require lots of explaining/teaching on your end
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mostly everyone is going to be new to this lol or you talking about computer skills wise which i doubt it would take much since hes setting everything up..

well the idea behind it would be to odin a zimage with the core files on the sd card and have a script that would auto install the rom upon boot eg u odin rom phone boots says please wait while the os is installed go get some dinner whatever while it goes though it when u come back it would be up and running. LIke i said ultimatly i want it to work as a phone and a desktop. Well at least i got some intrest ill keep u posted on progress.
example would be when u used the usb tv out the phone could auto sense this and switch to what would account for desktop mode so you could use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to navigate and then when u unplug it the screen would switch to a more phone touch friendly enviroment. These are just ideas. Honestly not sure how this is going to work as far as a tab based device its prob alot easier and mb a vibrant phone cause of the large amounts of internal storage.
sg4g im stll trying to figure out how to work around this. Also to get kernels up and have them be more of a unitifed system so i could make one package that serves multi devices instead of x package for this y package for that it helps tremulously.
the goal is to keep this as tech newb friendly with keeping at least some decent functionality on it. SInce the os will setup and take care of video audio and what not the only think u would need really is bluetooth parings for the keyboard and mouse and a printer provided i can actually get this to work...
ill keep all intrested parties posted and when i get something to work with ill move to the android dev fourm for it.

http://phandroid.com/2009/05/27/what-if-ubuntu-could-run-android-applications-it-can/
as u can see they can get linux to run android apps heck theres even debin running on the g1 as far as linux goes. THe point of what i wanna do is make it a little more friendly and accessable without having to folllow 14 pages of directions and not to make the apps as a emulated portion but as a seemless intrgration.

Im interested. Very interested... Id be will to test when im not working and on the weekends.
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Sounds like a crazy notion, but still well worthwhile. I like your way of thinking.
I'll see if i can get my hands on a second device, or get a well-discounted one for you to buy.
There might be some damn good money in this idea for you as well.

danstheman7 said:
Sounds like a crazy notion, but still well worthwhile. I like your way of thinking.
I'll see if i can get my hands on a second device, or get a well-discounted one for you to buy.
There might be some damn good money in this idea for you as well.
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well im loooking on ebay for someones bricked phone as i havea riff box so i could more then likley unbrick the phone for testing purposes.
Well the problem isnt installing linux onto the phone as i have went though many fourms and stuch getting linux on the phone seems to be the easy part with some reading and knowing what to do and not do. The real hurtle is a genuine way to cross link the libraries. So instead of running the android software as a virtual app (taken from screenies) to more of a native app across both platforms.
Im not looking to make this a omg it will run every peace of linux software ever written as these are phones not laptops notebooks net books desktops. THe goal would be primarlly for business people and people that would say need a quick way to read though e mail check Facebook maybe play a game here or there ( more then likely not) and type up documents if needed. THere is alot more limitation more so on the memory side of the phone then the processer and gpu capabilities considering open gl 4.1 is fully compatibly with open gl es for cellphones actually getting a ogl desktop isnt a really hard hurtle to get past. Since it retains the useability for open gl es

RaverX3X said:
well im loooking on ebay for someones bricked phone as i havea riff box so i could more then likley unbrick the phone for testing purposes.
Well the problem isnt installing linux onto the phone as i have went though many fourms and stuch getting linux on the phone seems to be the easy part with some reading and knowing what to do and not do. The real hurtle is a genuine way to cross link the libraries. So instead of running the android software as a virtual app (taken from screenies) to more of a native app across both platforms.
Im not looking to make this a omg it will run every peace of linux software ever written as these are phones not laptops notebooks net books desktops. THe goal would be primarlly for business people and people that would say need a quick way to read though e mail check Facebook maybe play a game here or there ( more then likely not) and type up documents if needed. THere is alot more limitation more so on the memory side of the phone then the processer and gpu capabilities considering open gl 4.1 is fully compatibly with open gl es for cellphones actually getting a ogl desktop isnt a really hard hurtle to get past. Since it retains the useability for open gl es
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Yeah, I would expect quite a few device limitations preventing you from the usual run-of-the-mill software.
I wish I knew anything about Linux to help you, but alas, I know nothing :|
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Its ok but at least when i get sometihng working u can test it if u wish

Thanks :]
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Samsung Behold II

I was wondering if anyone had any info on the status of roms for the Behold II. I just got one, used but in very good shape, and I am trying to get it to work better. I am fairly sure these phones were pretty popular, and I can't believe they were (almost) completely ignored. I found a pretty nice clean android 1.6 rom that I threw on it, but it has no vibrate.
Does anyone know of any stable gingerbread roms for this phone? If not, anyone know how to get vibration to work? Is there anyone out there willing to work on this phone at all?

Or can anyone point me in the direction of some information on taking the rom apart and figuring out how to get the vibration working? Basically I need to find out how to take apart a rom, then figure out how to get vibration working properly. It's driving me nuts that the phone doesn't vibrate when I get calls/texts.

Isn't that Donut? *throws up*
Couldn't find any ROMs above 1.6 with some googling. Its also likely that you would not be able to fix the vibrate issue, if the Dev couldn't. If you want to "take the ROM apart," just take the .zip file and unzip it.
But I recommend getting a new phone.
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It is indeed Donut. That's why I wanted to try and find a gingerbread rom or figure out how to make my own.
I unzipped the rom and dug around in there. I found some other thread on these forums about vibration and the symlinks and vibrate.ko. I checked in init.rc (on the phone) and found some lines about inserting modules relating to VibeTonez and the module "vtmdrv.ko" but I don't know if it is commented properly or turned on or symlinked or whatever. I see nothing about an actual vibrate.ko or anything.
How do I check my updater-script for the correct symlink?
I found this thread that has given me some interesting information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1946614
and also this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1405366
Thanks for the interest! Unfortunately, I cannot just get a new phone. I am basically stuck with this one for the foreseeable future.

nookle said:
It is indeed Donut. That's why I wanted to try and find a gingerbread rom or figure out how to make my own.
I unzipped the rom and dug around in there. I found some other thread on these forums about vibration and the symlinks and vibrate.ko. I checked in init.rc (on the phone) and found some lines about inserting modules relating to VibeTonez and the module "vtmdrv.ko" but I don't know if it is commented properly or turned on or symlinked or whatever. I see nothing about an actual vibrate.ko or anything.
How do I check my updater-script for the correct symlink?
I found this thread that has given me some interesting information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1946614
and also this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1405366
Thanks for the interest! Unfortunately, I cannot just get a new phone. I am basically stuck with this one for the foreseeable future.
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No prob. Always interested in the legacy devices.
I wouldn't try to fix the vibrate, the developer himself states it will likely never be fixed (http://androidforums.com/behold-2-all-things-root/54769-port-galaxy-1-6-behold-2-final.html). I didn't read into the thread, but usually some user asks why vibrate doesn't work, dev explains, etc. You don't know if the problem with the ROM is the same as the issues found in the threads you searched.
If you want Gingerbread, it looks like the device is pretty much dead, however you can port CM7 from a similar device. It would be quite a chunk of work though.
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Yeah, I have been going over all those threads that have that guy's roms. He made a few of them for this phone, and I am trying to find one that is better. Or the best of them.
I think I may have found a pretty major bug in the one I have, though. I got a call, I didn't want to answer it, and I hit the volume down button to silence the ringer, but it force closed android.phone.com and dropped the call. That wasn't cool.
I am also (kind of half-heartedly) pursuing creating my own rom from scratch. It's quite daunting, but I have a lot of time for the next week or so. My sister is having a complicated pregnancy so I am spending a lot of time at the hospital. There are plenty of guides and tutorials for beginners, so I am reading those and trying to figure things out.
Or I can figure out how to work on the rom this guy made, that would make life much easier.

nookle said:
Yeah, I have been going over all those threads that have that guy's roms. He made a few of them for this phone, and I am trying to find one that is better. Or the best of them.
I think I may have found a pretty major bug in the one I have, though. I got a call, I didn't want to answer it, and I hit the volume down button to silence the ringer, but it force closed android.phone.com and dropped the call. That wasn't cool.
I am also (kind of half-heartedly) pursuing creating my own rom from scratch. It's quite daunting, but I have a lot of time for the next week or so. My sister is having a complicated pregnancy so I am spending a lot of time at the hospital. There are plenty of guides and tutorials for beginners, so I am reading those and trying to figure things out.
Or I can figure out how to work on the rom this guy made, that would make life much easier.
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I wouldn't try to make a ROM from scratch. A better thing to do would be to port. Basically find a ROM made for a phone with similar internals (type of CPU and RAM) and port the ROM. Much easier than making a ROM from scratch which requires knowledge of a few computer languages (mainly java). There are a few porting guides available on the forum.. Lemme find a link
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Hey, thanks for your help! It's much appreciated! And believe me, if I could get a new phone I would. This phone is on my parent's plan, and only used for calling and texting family. I can't use data or anything. At this point it's more for the sake of learning about how to build an android operating system than anything else. I just want a nice, stable, useful phone that is better than the old school flip phones (of which I have had quite a few over the years).

Once again no prob. I used a legacy device just last year but it had quite some development so all I had to do was flash Roms lol.
Anyways this is how you compile GB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1183832
And this is how you port. I would port from a similar device like the My touch 3g
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598713
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Haha yeah I am in the same boat with my nook. I have been following the devs over in the nook sub-forum for a couple years now. I have had several iterations of gingerbread, a couple of ics, and now a few of jelly bean. I am used to just slamming the rom zip on the sd card and booting into recovery and flashing it over.
For this phone I had to do odin, which was a new experience for me. Went pretty painless, and I figured it out. I prefer the recovery method over odin.
I have one question about the second link, about porting. It says in the first post that if you don't have gb already compiled for your (my)device that guide is useless for you (me). Is that what the first link is for? Compiling specifically for my device? What if my device is not supported at all? Do I just pick a somewhat similar phone, compile, port, make a flashable rom, and put it on the phone and hope it doesn't brick it?

Yep thats what the first link is for. Don't compile and port for a different device, that is a sure way to brick your phone.
Is your device not supported at all? Usually legacy devices are since back then (lol) there weren't a whole ton of Android phones
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I don't know if my device is supported or not. I have not got to that part in the guide yet. I will report back if it is or isn't.

Sorry for not getting back earlier, I've been real busy the past week or two.
I finally got ubuntu set up on a computer, and was following the first guide and ran into a few problems.
First, I wasn't able to install all the required packages. If you want to know what ones they are I wrote them down. Not sure how essential they are in the grand scheme, but they weren't available.
Second, I tried to install java and ran into a problem adding the repos for it. The second one, for src, would not work at all. So I went on sun's or oracle's website and downloaded the linux package and installed it. But apparently it didn't work because all I get after trying to lunch are lots of these:
Code:
/bin/bash: java: command not found
Basically anywhere it tries to use java I get those messages. Eventually it gives up and says I have
Code:
version: /bin/bash: java: command not found
and I should have
Code:
version 1.6
Third, after I issue
Code:
source build/envsetup.sh
I see it includes some devices, like htc passion and samsung crespo4g and samsung crespo. Is this normal?
Fourth, When I do lunch I get five options
Code:
1. generic-eng
2. simulator
3. full_passion-userdebug
4. full_crespo4g-userdebug
5. full_crespo-userdebug
Should I just pick generic-eng?
I will be out of town all week for work, and won't have access to the computer I am doing all this on. For the life of me I cannot get unbuntu to install on my laptop. Never did like ubuntu, always favored fedora.
Anywho, thanks for any suggestions.

[Q] What to do with my TF101?

Hi all,
I haven't used my tablet in ages, because I don't know what to do with my tablet.
That sounds a bit strange, but I haven't found something interesting.
Some topics I'm interested in: hacking, modding, Linux, etc.
I was thinking about using my tab for controlling stuff in the house (lights, power, etc.).
But then, I could also use my phone for that kind of stuff. And their the problem begins, almost everything I can do on my tab, I can do on my phone.
It seems also to be difficult to sell the tablet for some reason, no one seems interested.
What I would like is to get Arch Linux on it or something that is clean, fast & up-to-date.
Or just some cool ideas I haven't done with the tablet yet.
Anyway, sorry for this question. But I hope to get an answer what to do.
Thanks!

Dunno about Arch, but there are a couple of Linux projects going on
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2648862
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2692270
Maybe learn from the above, and port Arch linux instead of *buntu
If you are knowledgeable with Linux, maybe you could take up where this project ended
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2168473
And iirc, there was a way to emulate Win 95 on the TF a while ago
There are some hardware mod projects too, people have added laptop HDDs to the dock (inside) and wired them to the USB ports
But being an ARM Android tablet, options for projects are quite limited, I guess you could learn how to port Android and make your own ROMs for the TF101 / become a dev on XDA and release new builds of your ROMs like other devs do
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Sounds like the Raspberry Pi would be more your type of thing, they have just released a new Model B+ for $35 the other day too, you can install Arch on that

I know some people set them up to use in the car for media devices or for obdii scanners. Just a thought.

beta990 said:
Hi all,
I haven't used my tablet in ages, because I don't know what to do with my tablet.
That sounds a bit strange, but I haven't found something interesting.
Some topics I'm interested in: hacking, modding, Linux, etc.
I was thinking about using my tab for controlling stuff in the house (lights, power, etc.).
But then, I could also use my phone for that kind of stuff. And their the problem begins, almost everything I can do on my tab, I can do on my phone.
It seems also to be difficult to sell the tablet for some reason, no one seems interested.
What I would like is to get Arch Linux on it or something that is clean, fast & up-to-date.
Or just some cool ideas I haven't done with the tablet yet.
Anyway, sorry for this question. But I hope to get an answer what to do.
Thanks!
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Really the best way to figure out what it can do, and do better that your phone is to use it. There are some things I find much easier to do on my table than on my phone especially as I have a keyboard which gives me usb ports and a real keyboard. Much more convenient to type anything of length than my phone.
Anyway, you really just have to dedicate yourself to using it before you can make judgments as to what device is going to be best suited for what activities.