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G Tablet coming tomorrow...would like to get some things set straight. Thanks.

Hey all,
I'm getting my G Tablet tomorrow and I'd just like to get some things clarified.
I know, the first thing some will say is USE SEARCH! Well, I did - and that's actually why I just want to get some things straight before I go down the path of modifying the device software. See, reading it all has managed to confuse me more than help me get a definitive instruction set for forging ahead.
I'm seeing the update "****s on CWM" according to a user...and then a 'fix' for that. Than I see that Gapps causes FCs for some, while it works for others. So...yeah, a little back and forth on what to do and who's instructions to follow.
Alright, so first thing's first....Should I flash the Clockwork Mod that I'm seeing available - 0.8? or is there something else I should consider or that I've missed? or maybe wait for a newer version? Should I even flash CWM if I get the newest (and I WILL be getting the newest) S/W version? Are there any downsides at all to flashing CWM on there in terms of messing with OTA updates, etc?
I read this:
"All the ROMS use a standard firmware updater that can be used by non-technical users. Here is an explanation on how it works:...."
Sooo, does that mean I can live without CWM? If an update doesn't work for some reason, will I be able to fix it or overwrite it somehow if I can't get into the tablet at all from the tablet itself? I read something about going into APX mode and putting things on through Windows, is this an infallible method?
Second of all, I read the FAQ thoroughly (I think and hope) but I'm still not 100% on what Gapps to DL or how to put a working Android Market on there especially with this new S/W update. I've seen how to 'fix' the Market to see missing apps, but not how to actually install it on the G Tablet. I may have missed that post somewhere on here.
I'm also unclear if I should get Gapps or not at all, as I've read that some have FCs on there while others do not - so what's the general consensus in light of this update that was just released as of Dec. 21, 2010?
Ultimately, here is what I'd like from my GTab:
I'd like to run the new official Tapn'Tap released recently first and foremost.
I'd like to have the official/unofficial (w/e) Google Market.
I'd like to run Google Apps (Gtalk, Gmail, etc.).
IF I don't like Tapn'Tap, and this is a worse case scenario situation, as in if I HATE TnT - I'd like to have the option to slap something else on there and I'd like to make sure I don't brick my Tablet. Whether that means storing an original official TnT ROM or whatever.
Point me in the right direction please, especially considering things may have changed as of the new S/W update.
Thanks much and sorry for all the questions. I assure you I used search and I attempted to put it together on my own. It's been a long time since I've modded (G1 was the last time) and I don't do it often. Also, apologies if I posted this in the wrong section....I considered posting it in Dev. section but this one seemed better suited.
Thanks again, XDA rocks.

Neoprimal said:
Hey all,
I'm getting my G Tablet tomorrow and I'd just like to get some things clarified.
I know, the first thing some will say is USE SEARCH! Well, I did - and that's actually why I just want to get some things straight before I go down the path of modifying the device software. See, reading it all has managed to confuse me more than help me get a definitive instruction set for forging ahead.
I'm seeing the update "****s on CWM" according to a user...and then a 'fix' for that. Than I see that Gapps causes FCs for some, while it works for others. So...yeah, a little back and forth on what to do and who's instructions to follow.
Alright, so first thing's first....Should I flash the Clockwork Mod that I'm seeing available - 0.8? or is there something else I should consider or that I've missed? or maybe wait for a newer version? Should I even flash CWM if I get the newest (and I WILL be getting the newest) S/W version? Are there any downsides at all to flashing CWM on there in terms of messing with OTA updates, etc?
I read this:
"All the ROMS use a standard firmware updater that can be used by non-technical users. Here is an explanation on how it works:...."
Sooo, does that mean I can live without CWM? If an update doesn't work for some reason, will I be able to fix it or overwrite it somehow if I can't get into the tablet at all from the tablet itself? I read something about going into APX mode and putting things on through Windows, is this an infallible method?
Second of all, I read the FAQ thoroughly (I think and hope) but I'm still not 100% on what Gapps to DL or how to put a working Android Market on there especially with this new S/W update. I've seen how to 'fix' the Market to see missing apps, but not how to actually install it on the G Tablet. I may have missed that post somewhere on here.
I'm also unclear if I should get Gapps or not at all, as I've read that some have FCs on there while others do not - so what's the general consensus in light of this update that was just released as of Dec. 21, 2010?
Ultimately, here is what I'd like from my GTab:
I'd like to run the new official Tapn'Tap released recently first and foremost.
I'd like to have the official/unofficial (w/e) Google Market.
I'd like to run Google Apps (Gtalk, Gmail, etc.).
IF I don't like Tapn'Tap, and this is a worse case scenario situation, as in if I HATE TnT - I'd like to have the option to slap something else on there and I'd like to make sure I don't brick my Tablet. Whether that means storing an original official TnT ROM or whatever.
Point me in the right direction please, especially considering things may have changed as of the new S/W update.
Thanks much and sorry for all the questions. I assure you I used search and I attempted to put it together on my own. It's been a long time since I've modded (G1 was the last time) and I don't do it often. Also, apologies if I posted this in the wrong section....I considered posting it in Dev. section but this one seemed better suited.
Thanks again, XDA rocks.
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I don't know how much direction pointing I can do but here goes..
Clockwork mod in my opinion is a necessity. Version 0.8 is the best one for most people because of how it deals with the memory locations. Yes, you can do things without it. The update process is as simple as putting an update.zip file, and a recovery folder with a command file in it on an sdcard and holding the vol + button while hitting power. It is easy. Clockwork has a lot of little features though that make life easier. You can make a complete system backup with it. You can install updates, and new firmware with it. You can completely lock up your tablet and using clockwork and your backup be back in business in about 3-4 minutes. You can load new roms and if you hate them you can go back to your old working stuff in minutes. Yes, there are ways to make one of these tablets work again when they get stuck. I don't think anyone has actually bricked one. Some may think they have, but I doubt it.
Unless you are dead set on wanting the stock TnT interface the easiest way to get what you want is to load one of the roms. Yes, there are ways to get most of it without loading a new rom. Most everyone that has gone the I have to stay stock but want all the mods has eventually just loaded a rom. TnT3.0 is based on the latest stock stuff. It has the market, flash, etc. already in it. VegaN is what I use mostly but they are both stable and fast.
Before you flash something brand new that just came out I would read about it and see what others have to say about issues. It usually only takes about 30 minutes until you can tell if it is going to be good or not.
All of the roms for this tablet have there own little quirks. The stock has gotten better with each update but it still is not as good as the ones I named.
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard.
With a little bit of searching almost everything you may want it to do can be done. I really love mine, and when I got it almost 2 months ago I hated it...

"Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard."
"Sigh" of relief. Then I'm not too worried. As I said I've dabbled in modifying my G1 and it is mostly cake. But I've just been seeing conflicting posts on whether cwm works with the newest official tnt release or not so I wasn't sure what to do.
Thanks for your advice. And when I said pointers, I meant like this as well as pointing me to any posts I may have missed on how to do whatever. Though I THINK I found most of them.

Neoprimal said:
"Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable. Anything you can possibly break one of us has probably already broken before and fixed. There are some people that seem to have problems doing every little thing. Most don't. So I wouldn't let any of it scare you off because none of it is that hard."
"Sigh" of relief. Then I'm not too worried. As I said I've dabbled in modifying my G1 and it is mostly cake. But I've just been seeing conflicting posts on whether cwm works with the newest official tnt release or not so I wasn't sure what to do.
Thanks for your advice. And when I said pointers, I meant like this as well as pointing me to any posts I may have missed on how to do whatever. Though I THINK I found most of them.
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The new release overwrites clockwork. But it is not hard to put back. Always a good idea to copy the clockwork backups folder to your pc, or somewhere they won't be lost. The custom roms typically leave the recovery image alone and can be installed with or without clockwork by either extracting the zip contents for stock recovery, or installing it as is in clockwork.

Sprdtyf350 said:
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable.
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I can vouch for that. Erased system, boot, data and cache in preparation for a new ROM. Accidentally rebooted and couldn't get into recovery. Booted it into APX mode, flashed stock and was on my way.

I would just run ZRoot, then upload the TnTLite 3.0 recovery and update.zip and then do the recovery mode process. You should have a microsd handy just in case it doesn't work, but so far I haven't needed that.
This tablet is much easier to work with and very forgiving since VS never took the time to lock down the bootloader etc like Motorola did with my Droid X. You really shouldn't fear changing files out etc, provided you're getting a ROM from one of the people providing them here. If you can press and hold two buttons at once, you can make your gTab an awesome little tablet. It benchmarks about 1000 points higher than my Droid X on quadrant. Can't wait to see what these guys can do with Gingerbread.

Sprdtyf350 said:
The new release overwrites clockwork. But it is not hard to put back. Always a good idea to copy the clockwork backups folder to your pc, or somewhere they won't be lost. The custom roms typically leave the recovery image alone and can be installed with or without clockwork by either extracting the zip contents for stock recovery, or installing it as is in clockwork.
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It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update

hogasswild said:
I would just run ZRoot, then upload the TnTLite 3.0 recovery and update.zip and then do the recovery mode process. You should have a microsd handy just in case it doesn't work, but so far I haven't needed that.
This tablet is much easier to work with and very forgiving since VS never took the time to lock down the bootloader etc like Motorola did with my Droid X. You really shouldn't fear changing files out etc, provided you're getting a ROM from one of the people providing them here. If you can press and hold two buttons at once, you can make your gTab an awesome little tablet. It benchmarks about 1000 points higher than my Droid X on quadrant. Can't wait to see what these guys can do with Gingerbread.
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with the new update however does the z4root still work? i heard it may not anymore. just curious also since im hopefully getting mine on sat for xmas

rothnic said:
It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update
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Thanks for the info Rothnic! I had already flashed it before I figured out it removed Clockwork. Learning new stuff every day is good... Thanks..

dragonfly1113 said:
with the new update however does the z4root still work? i heard it may not anymore. just curious also since im hopefully getting mine on sat for xmas
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The very first time I rooted, I used ZRoot and installed 2.4.0. I didn't change anything and used the exact same process of simply copying over the 3.0.0 files over to the root directory of the internal memory and did the recovery procedure (vol+ and pwr keys). It worked like a charm.

hogasswild said:
The very first time I rooted, I used ZRoot and installed 2.4.0. I didn't change anything and used the exact same process of simply copying over the 3.0.0 files over to the root directory of the internal memory and did the recovery procedure (vol+ and pwr keys). It worked like a charm.
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Ok cool, thanks cant wait for my g tablet hopefully sat morning

I think you'll like it a lot. I also own an iPad. While they are similar they are also a little different. Merry Christmas!

hogasswild said:
I think you'll like it a lot. I also own an iPad. While they are similar they are also a little different. Merry Christmas!
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my mom has an ipad and my dad could only buy it while i was on my honeymoon bc he knew i wouldnt approve of an apple device in the house haha.

rothnic said:
It is also not hard to alter the update so that it does not overwrite clockwork.
Open update.zip
Find updater-script, Open in notepad++
Remove the line that references recovery.img
Flash update
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My device hasn't come yet (damn you FedEx!) but I'm eagerly awaiting it.
My plan:
Unbox, start it....do a factory reset from the getgo if it has enough juice.
Set it back up. Charge it to full. If whatever comes on it is as unbearable as I've seen in on Youtube - start modifications.
Will CWM install on it AFTER I do the update if it's available to me? I've seen that the update messes with it if it's already there - but noone's mentioned putting it on there after the fact. I may just go that route for simplicity sake.
Thanks for this!, and thank you all for chiming in with your experience. I feel much better about just getting my hands dirty in it all. I had wrote something to someone yesterday about jumping in and just doing it, but when it comes to dealing with it yourself it can be a daunting task - especially when it still has that new smell, lol. Anyway, thanks again. You guys really rock.
Will stop back later on after I've done my thing

I think they are both nice devices. There are trade off for both of them. I think the screen on the iPad is wonderful, where the gTab's is okay. But the gTab has a forward facing camera, you can print from it, and you can modify it fairly easily too.

Sprdtyf350 said:
Finally.. This tablet is very easy to play with. It is pretty much unbrickable.
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...famous last words...
Seriously though...trust the directions from the great devs like roebeet. Follow their instructions word for word. You can switch ROMs and then flash back if you want. No worries...

Off topic!
Well...disappointment! Fedex had my package out for delivery at 8am and at 8pm, they're not here. This is why I like UPS, they show up at my door on the day of delivery, no exceptions - they have shown up at almost 9pm before. The Archos 101 I got was sent out at 8am as well but got here at 1:30pm - I suppose that was before the holiday rush.
Checking the details of my tracking I'm seeing a "delivery exception" at 7:30pm (I guess it was time to get back to the facility so they can clock out by 8pm?) and upon calling them I get a somewhat stumbling but polite CS who tells me the delivery went out "late" - upon which I asked if 8am was considered late, especially from a distribution facility WITHIN the same zip code as I am, and all he could say was "Very sorry about this".
Aaaanyway....I guess it will be tomorrow before I can report my adventures.
Think I'll be able to get my $3.99 back from Amazon? I have Prime and with that the package would have come tomorrow anyway. Basically my $3.99 is wasted. Imagine if I didn't have Prime though? Whew.

ima_UNC_fan said:
...famous last words...
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If you can figure out how to brick it you will probably get an award.. It won't be a good award but probably one of those top ten dumb things people do awards. So far unless you plug the motherboard into a wall socket no one has bricked one. May think they have, but like I said before I doubt it..
And your right.. If it can be done, someone eventually will figure out how. And then we will all laugh at them.. At least I will

I finally got the G tablet tonight and...alright, don't flame me for this - but I don't see what all the complaints about the screen being horrendous or the device being molasses slow are about?
I don't know how people are trying to view it...but when looking at it or setting it on a stand to watch media, I'm not seeing any problem with the viewing angles. It's about the same as my laptop so I watch it the same way.
It's not even a 1/4 as slow as the stuff I've seen on Youtube or in some of the review videos I've seen around the net. I haven't gotten a single FC. Granted, I haven't put in a SD Card yet so maybe problems will start then?
I guess I should note, the very first thing I did was did a factory reset. Then I hooked it up to Wifi and got the 3053 update. I'm one of those who will be waiting for the 'official' update on the 24th.
I set up the time and date, restarted and everything works. I haven't installed flash yet (don't need it that much) and stuff that I DO want on there right now works fine (skype, pandora, fring, dropbox, evernote). I'm slowly figuring out a list of what I want/need from my Mytouch 4G to port to the VS GTab. Figure I don't really NEED Gtalk, Gmail on there because I have these on my phone AND PC - do I really want them making noises all around my home on 3 devices? I was concerned about getting the Google Apps on but now I'm finding I really don't need them. So it seems to me this will be a matter of learning to separate what I need on a tablet vs. my phone - I was of the mentality that I should just get whatever's on my phone on the tablet, this is something others apparently do as they seem to want everything that's on their phone, on their tablets as well.
I personally don't see the point in that. Had I had the Google Market, that would have escaped me as I'd have used Appbrain to just get my motherload of apps from the MT4G to the GTab. Not having it has slowed me, and now I get to re-evaluate before I do grab apps for it.
Now I just have to merge/convert my HTPC into a NAS device as well and find an app that will allow me to DLNA stream media from it and I'll be in mobile heaven.
I haven't had my wifi drop at all anywhere in my home and I've marched all over with it (I use full Wifi N, no G compat. so maybe my range is wider?). Tried email, etc. to replicate crashes and force closes but haven't so far. No surfing issues. I DID find that one app got 'stuck' being downloaded and I had to delete the file before the 'downloading' icon would go away, even after restart.
Maybe the trick to getting a workable GTab in the first place is to factory reset it before first use? Iunno. Things may change and issues may pop up the more I use it and as time passes - but so far, so good!
Again, I can't thank XDA enough for the advice and info. I've found and been given.

Sprdtyf350 said:
If you can figure out how to brick it you will probably get an award.. It won't be a good award but probably one of those top ten dumb things people do awards. So far unless you plug the motherboard into a wall socket no one has bricked one. May think they have, but like I said before I doubt it..
And your right.. If it can be done, someone eventually will figure out how. And then we will all laugh at them.. At least I will
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I figured it out. Accidentally hit one of the devkit nvflash .cabs and boom

[Q] I need help.

Today, I acquired a infuse 4g, off contract. I wanted to mess around with android, as my current phone is an iphone, and maybe switch over.
One of the first things I tried to do was tether my iphone to my infuse using mywi. I soon discovered android doesn't work with ad hoc networks. I googled a couple fixes, and decided to try my hand. I have never touched android before. I found this thing that said I could. So I went for it. After reading a few guides, I decided the first step was to root it using superoneclick. That went fine. Then, I read the instructions and it told me to 'flash the zip file using a recovery rom' which was total gibberish to me. So I did some more googling and found a modified 3e recovery thing for the infuse. I used some file system app to put that where it was supposed to be, but then saw that I needed clockworkmod to be able to flash things. By this point I realized I was far, far over my head, but stupidly pressed on. At about the same time, I also extracted the zip file from exop.pro, and replaced the wpa file that existed already in system/bin with the one from the zip. I also booted into recovery mode, and tried to install clockwork mod, which failed even though as far as I can see. Now, when I turn my phone on, everything is ok except that it can't scan for wifi. I assume this is because I ****ed with the wifi file. I've basically decided to give up at this point, so please, just tell me how to made it work again and I'll promise to not **** with it anymore. Also, I neglected to make a backup. Stupid, but I didn't know how and didn't want to go through another huge thing.
tl;dr
I tried to make it so I could connect to ad hoc networks on my infuse 4g and ended up destroying my wda_supplicant file in system/bin (i think) and

Google the original file you replaced, ' wpa supplicant file download for infuse 4g'. Next time save a copy or backup of whatever your doing.

Thanks, but I really have no idea what is what. Could you link me the right one? I'm sorry that I'm so useless.

Itaer said:
Thanks, but I really have no idea what is what. Could you link me the right one? I'm sorry that I'm so useless.
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this was your problem the first time... you need to read and study before you just start flashing things to your phone man. haha... us linking you somewhere will not help you figure that part out... and its an important part of tinkering with these phones in the way you are trying to.
rid yourself of the apple mentality where everything is spoon fed.
moving on, however, do what the guy previous to me said... find that file you downloaded. and do some reading, watch some instructional videos, focus on just rooting the phone properly for now. do that, then read, watch, ask questions like you are doing when you need to, then proceed.
read comments and stuff in forums about the ROMs you are flashing, what kind of problems do they have, what recovery is recommended for that particular ROM, stuff like that. just READ everything and anything you can about what you are doing....
the company that made your newly found OS has a nice little search engine called google... and it works pretty well if you know how to use it i'll keep an eye on this thread for you as others are probably doing so we can provide you with whatever answers you might need. good luck!
a good rule of thumb when flashing hax0red software to these phones is when something ****s up, 9/10 times it's just a little tiny thing you missed or did during the install yourself... so back to square one, and pay close attention to detail. these phones can be a little touchy when flashing ROMs if you are not doing it exactly they way it is recommended.
perfect example of this: when i had my samsung moment... when i converted from 2.1 OS to 2.2... for some odd reason i would ALWAYS have to flash a little script zip to wipe the 2.1 data from the device before flashing the 2.2 zipped ROM to the phone... the 2.2 ROM was supposed to do this and take care of it completely for me, but even though it did, the only way it would work properly every time i was going from 2.1 to 2.2 was to flash that zip beforehand...
hope that long rant provided some useful insight

Thanks.
But I have read the instructions on the stuff I'm trying to do, several times, and like I said, I'm more confused that I was at first.
I'm just not willing to break it any further.
So basically what I'm wondering now is, how do I put everything back to how it should be. Is there a way? Like, is there a way to load the original software back? I don't think restoring it to factory settings would fix what I did, but tell me if I'm wrong.
I just want everything back to normal.
Please.
Edit: I know it seems like I'm not doing anything to help myself, but I have a lot on my plate in life right now, and I also have absolutely no idea where to even start. Half of the terms you use mean nothing to me, and I'm just so overwhelmed.
I just want to know if there is some way to put it back to how it came out of the box.

Turns out that once the new wda_supplicant thing is ACTUALLY GRANTED PERMISSION TO EXECUTE, that everything works fine. Thanks guys

see... Knew you would figure it out man
Sent from my EVO3D using XDA App

Mobile Odin

There isn't a thread for this for our phone, so I thought I would make one seeing as i've tried it. A program called mobile odin https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.mobileodin.pro&feature=nav_result Will allow you to run odin from your device without connecting it to your computer. Its super simple to use and it works pretty well. My charging port is hosed so I can't connect it anyways. I was on ICS and needed to go back to GB. Had to use this app and got back on GB no problem. I don't see a free version of the app anywhere so depending on how much you use odin, 5 bucks might be a good investment.

Hmm I ran the program and sent the logs a few months ago and never heard anything back to get our device supported and still doesn't say it supports this device.
It takes 30 minutes to run the system dump to find out our device isn't compatible......after running the dump....and to find out it wouldn't work
Its not worth the hassle when you've only got 15 minutes to get the refund.
I'd like to see screenshots or something to show that this actually does officially work on our device ....considering its not on the list of compatible devices.
Thanks

I guess after 2 days without a response ....there's not going to be one?
To bad I was hoping that it was going to be worth the money

Too bad I'm stuck on ics as well got excited when I started reading this thread.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using xda app-developers app

??? Anything???
Or is this just a bogus post....and in the wrong section....should have went in themes and apps

A search would show that XDA members gets a lite version as with lots of other apps for free.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899

Ive run it.....it generates a dump file (mobileodin.txt) that you send in and hope that he incorperates your device in the next update .....and since it does this ...it basically is not suported as of yet.
So the op is saying it works.....but in fact it doesnt.
I would like to see some evidence that it works for him and like to know how it does on his device and not on mine.
Also with the lite version you have to dl a flash kernal specific to your device from that same thread....but since our device is not suported...you wont find one.
Y'all should do alot more reading before posting links to something that doesnt suport our device.
i did read that thread thuroughly....very thuroughly,even flashed a few flash kernals he added that were for the other models similar to ours in great hopes of getting this to work.

This is what you get....it does take about 30 minutes to generate the text file to send in

Oh magda623....are you there?
we are awaiting your reply.
Im sure there is hundreds of us that would like to have this running on our phones...please let us know how to make it work.

Ok ok i give up on magda to humor us on how it works on his device.
I urge everyone to use the link a couple posts up and dl the mobile odin lite,run it and send your mobileodin.txt to chainfire and plead with him to include our device....im sure he will eventually get our message.....after all he does say he is only working on samsung devices at this time.
****wouldnt it be awsome to flash back and forth from mtd to bml roms without ever having hook up to your comp!!!****

Lol am i seriously the only one that finds this to be something that would make life amazing on the sgs4g?

new ealsjur
Mobile ODIN did not recognize the device when I was on CM9

Something about flashing the phone from the phones makes me uneasy. What if you need to repartition using a pit or something, while the phone is on and in use.

Btw short I sent a dump file a long time ago and have been retrying ever since with no luck so far, maybe I'll make another dump today after work
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getochkn said:
Something about flashing the phone from the phones makes me uneasy...
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I've stayed out of this one for just that reason. It's bad enough to be messing with the underpinnings of an OS when you don't have true single-user mode, a "safe" boot, kernel, and emergency filesystem available, nor alternate boot media if things go really bad. Doing all that from user-land while the system is running all services sounds like just asking for trouble.
You can do most of what you are asking for in Recovery
Flash kernel/boot/recovery
Flash /system
Flash other run-time partitions
Flash modem
If you can't get into recovery, are you really able to run some Android program?
I'm not really seeing the need for this, except for people who have broken their USB connector and can't connect to a computer. Even then, when would you need ODIN? When things are so hozed up you need to start from scratch, yes, but if you have a broken USB, what are you doing flashing risky things?
If someone can show what this would do that you can't do in recovery, as well as a meaningful use case for it, I'll mull over how to do it. Basically, if an app can do it, a script in recovery sure should be able to as well.

I tend to think the reason we dont have support is because of the quirkiness of this phone.

I agree eollie ....I gave up on this a while ago...really it doesn't matter to me anyhow....I mostly thought it was a great idea.
I don't tend to have issues with flashing...or recovering.
And even if I did....I wouldn't be dumb enough to post here lmao.

Trying to install Rom

I have the T959v android phone, which I found out is a bit more complicated than my Samsung Vibrant.
I am running the gingerbread kernel after using Kies.
I have finally successfully flashed the T959v using Heimdoll following this guide. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21953878&postcount=2
Super User has been installed using SuperOneClick.
After struggling with it and reading on some sites it's possible and some sites it's not possible, I've come to the conclusion that Rom Manager is not a good idea to use, to install a Rom on my particular phone.
I want to install this Rom here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1402966
However I reviewed the instructions and found I was lost on some parts.
I know how to get to recovery mode (with the phone turned off, hold down volume up and down and the power button)
However, here's where I get lost:
6. Perform Voodoo -> Disable Lagfix.
I do not have this option, likely because I'm missing voodoo or some sort of app. I've tried googling this and figuring out what it is, but I don't even know what a CWM is.
I haven't tried (since I'm atleast smart enough to review information before I start following them, lest I get myself stuck somewhere and unable to back out of). However I believe I can get as far as Step 5.
Unfortuantely I can't get any further.
The only apps I have installed (besides the annoying bloatware on the phone) are the ones I listed above.
This is my first time flashing a phone or doing any of the above, previously my friend did it for me.
So I apologize for whatever Incompetence I may have, however if you can simplify instructions I'm pretty good at following them.
The hard part is that I don't know how to do a lot of the instructions.
Is there a video? Perhaps a guide with pictures that includes all the software I need and how to install that software?
I'm sorry for the questions, I hope someone can help. This has been a long and frustrating process but I'm determined to finish it.
Thank you in advance.
Ah also this: "Must have pre-installed kernel with clockwork recovery!"
I cannot do this because when I try and use clockwork recovery it says it cannot support my phone.
It gives me a list of 4 devices, none of which are my phone.
Then I click on "My device is not listed" and it states the T959v is not supported.
I'm really sorry for all the questions.
Not only does this app look nice, and sound nice due to hardware acceleration. Above all it gets rid of that bloatware crap from T-mobile.
I look forward to giving this app a try.

Hello my friend i know how excited you are when it come's to flashing, installing, removing apps on your phone, but before you do any harm to your phone maybe
consider reading this http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_4G before going further. it save's you a lot of time and headache plus you can avoid
flaming from other people here. and also try to use the search bar just i case you have further question's..
I advice you to take some time to read first on what do you want to your phone before doing anything.. don't be in a hurry we have tons of great roms in here..

Do not use clockwork manager...it is not for this device!
If you have super user ur rooted and good to go ...i would suggest you play around with the gingerbread roms for a spell before going to icecream sandwich roms,just so you get a feel for flashing on this device.....i too came from the vibrant and dearly miss it.
This phone is far from a vibrant but is coming along.
Feel free to pm me.....I may be a bit slow on replies since I'm working 7/12's 3rd shift.

Thank you both so much for your replies.
Warren I am checking that link out right now. Thanks
Shortbus, I miss my Vibrant too.
Technically speaking my Vibrant is still usable, but ever since I dropped it and cracked the screen it seems to have drastically slowed down (and the screen is annoying with all the cracks too).
Sad day for me.
I still want to try and get that Rom I had posted above working, as I doubt I'll move to another rom anytime after that. But I'll try and learn more about it using the link you gave me Warren. It'll probably take me several days ~_~
Shortbus I may email you with questions I come across from time to time if that's ok

Squeezitgirdle said:
Thank you both so much for your replies.
Warren I am checking that link out right now. Thanks
Shortbus, I miss my Vibrant too.
Technically speaking my Vibrant is still usable, but ever since I dropped it and cracked the screen it seems to have drastically slowed down (and the screen is annoying with all the cracks too).
Sad day for me.
I still want to try and get that Rom I had posted above working, as I doubt I'll move to another rom anytime after that. But I'll try and learn more about it using the link you gave me Warren. It'll probably take me several days ~_~
Shortbus I may email you with questions I come across from time to time if that's ok
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If you want to install Valhalla Final - read the guide in the first link of my signature and begin where applicable.

I don't mind.
Flashing roms on this device is easy once you realize its not the vibrant lol.
Like the vibrant....this thing is near impossible to brick,....just a lil bit more complicated than the vib.....till you get to understand it.

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If you want to install Valhalla Final - read the guide in the first link of my signature and begin where applicable.
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Ah, so I should switch to Froyo instead of Gingerbread from the looks of it.
I'll get right on that I'm going to try following your guide now
edit: I saw that you switched to Gingerbread, jumped too far ahead of myself.
I'm getting pretty far along in the guide, I'm now at the part where I am about to install the rom.
I love that you guys respond so quickly too.
In the process of using Heimdall I ran into so many issues but was (slowly) able to work through them and figure them out.
It's nice to know I can come here if I have a quick question.

I'm not much help with heimdall....I use gremlin remover,its a one click Odin program....serves the same purpose....to bring you to a rooted stock state.

[Q] 4.4.2 Finally Rooted, Unlocked, Flashed Recovery, and Cyanogenmod installed

Alright so let me start off by saying that I have never had so much hell rooting and putting a custom Rom onto a phone. I am also a bit disappointed in xda as non of the articles were of much help, they were all broken up and I ran into trouble at literally every step. The easiest part was rooting the phone with ioroot, but finding it actually wasn't that easy because most of the tutorials I found from the start kept having me use other methods and none of them worked.
Second once I performed this step and had everything installed I realized that in order to use my wifi hotspot, I was going to need a custom rom. this was of course after trying dozens of worthless hotspot apps in the store, none of which worked. So I started trying to put a custom recovery on the phone, this was by far the hardest part, I tried and scoured the internet for 3 days, I swear to god I read every article and tried every method out there....the new ATT LG G2's however have a lock on the recovery to prevent people from doing this, I found it strange that none of these articles written based on 4.4.2 thought to mention that an exploit has not yet been found. Finally I ran across an article where I learned of this and was told to downgrade, so I downloaded SuperSport & big fau LG G2 D800 Flash stock. Thinking that this rom was going to unlock the recovery because it said it would, I ran through the process.
This however, was not the case and it didn't help, the whole time I was convinced that this had unlocked my recovery, I continued to try every tutorial on installing a recovery onto this device, the AT&T LG G2 kitkat 4.4.2 (D80020c), which btw is a week old from the date of this post. I like a lot of other people, will have this phone and be looking to unlock, root, install custom recovery, and install custom rom. For this I would like to figure out a few things and hopefully if y'all help me figure this out, I can include fixes for it in the next article that I write, which will explain how I successfully put a custom rom on my AT&T from start to finish. I will also include in this article what could go wrong and how to fix it, too many articles are written without taking into consideration the possibilities of what could go wrong.
It took me three solid days of scouring the internet to get a custom Rom on my phone, running through problems at every step I still have a few questions. After downgrading from 4.4.2 to 4.2.2 my recovery was broke, thankfully I was able to fix this using flashify in the app store. I then installed Cyanogen Mod 10 (cm-10.2.0-d802.zip). and installed it through recovery, when I rebooted I was presented with a fastboot which would do crap when I would plug the usb into my computer...I never figured out what the problem was for this, but I ended up trying a version of CM 10 which was released for the LG G2 D80010d that I downgraded too, the tethering doesn't work...no big deal, but the problem is when I set WiFi hotspot up and connect, on my computer I get SSL error's, my computer completely refuses to let my connect to facebook or google, saying that the connection is insecure, it won't let me grab any kind of certificate and I can't find a solution online. I have tried rebooting both the computer and phone, I don't get these errors on the WiFi at the gas station.
In the above paragraph, I stated the two problems I couldn't really figure out, I haven't tried to install any other custom roms, but I will try that today, I have to save my bandwidth on my phone so I will walk down to the truck stop and download one, ps I had to flash my phone back to stock about 5 times before I finally figured out I needed to downgrade it, then I had to do it 2 more times.
If y'all take the time to read this and help me, then I will take the time to write a new and working article describing how to do it from start to finish and it will be written with explicit detail on every problem I came across and how I fixed it.

Figured out how to mix the firmware
Alright, so I was reading through a few more articles and I ran across this link, which will allow you to upgrade back to D80020c, but without loosing the stock recovery. I'm going to have to wait till later today to give it a try though, because the internet at the truck stop is to slow to download something of that size.

J0hnC0nn3r said:
Alright so let me start off by saying that I have never had so much hell rooting and putting a custom Rom onto a phone. I am also a bit disappointed in xda as non of the articles were of much help, they were all broken up and I ran into trouble at literally every step. The easiest part was rooting the phone with ioroot, but finding it actually wasn't that easy because most of the tutorials I found from the start kept having me use other methods and none of them worked.
Second once I performed this step and had everything installed I realized that in order to use my wifi hotspot, I was going to need a custom rom. this was of course after trying dozens of worthless hotspot apps in the store, none of which worked. So I started trying to put a custom recovery on the phone, this was by far the hardest part, I tried and scoured the internet for 3 days, I swear to god I read every article and tried every method out there....the new ATT LG G2's however have a lock on the recovery to prevent people from doing this, I found it strange that none of these articles written based on 4.4.2 thought to mention that an exploit has not yet been found. Finally I ran across an article where I learned of this and was told to downgrade, so I downloaded SuperSport & big fau LG G2 D800 Flash stock. Thinking that this rom was going to unlock the recovery because it said it would, I ran through the process.
This however, was not the case and it didn't help, the whole time I was convinced that this had unlocked my recovery, I continued to try every tutorial on installing a recovery onto this device, the AT&T LG G2 kitkat 4.4.2 (D80020c), which btw is a week old from the date of this post. I like a lot of other people, will have this phone and be looking to unlock, root, install custom recovery, and install custom rom. For this I would like to figure out a few things and hopefully if y'all help me figure this out, I can include fixes for it in the next article that I write, which will explain how I successfully put a custom rom on my AT&T from start to finish. I will also include in this article what could go wrong and how to fix it, too many articles are written without taking into consideration the possibilities of what could go wrong.
It took me three solid days of scouring the internet to get a custom Rom on my phone, running through problems at every step I still have a few questions. After downgrading from 4.4.2 to 4.2.2 my recovery was broke, thankfully I was able to fix this using flashify in the app store. I then installed Cyanogen Mod 10 (cm-10.2.0-d802.zip). and installed it through recovery, when I rebooted I was presented with a fastboot which would do crap when I would plug the usb into my computer...I never figured out what the problem was for this, but I ended up trying a version of CM 10 which was released for the LG G2 D80010d that I downgraded too, the tethering doesn't work...no big deal, but the problem is when I set WiFi hotspot up and connect, on my computer I get SSL error's, my computer completely refuses to let my connect to facebook or google, saying that the connection is insecure, it won't let me grab any kind of certificate and I can't find a solution online. I have tried rebooting both the computer and phone, I don't get these errors on the WiFi at the gas station.
In the above paragraph, I stated the two problems I couldn't really figure out, I haven't tried to install any other custom roms, but I will try that today, I have to save my bandwidth on my phone so I will walk down to the truck stop and download one, ps I had to flash my phone back to stock about 5 times before I finally figured out I needed to downgrade it, then I had to do it 2 more times.
If y'all take the time to read this and help me, then I will take the time to write a new and working article describing how to do it from start to finish and it will be written with explicit detail on every problem I came across and how I fixed it.
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J0hnC0nn3r said:
Alright, so I was reading through a few more articles and I ran across this link, which will allow you to upgrade back to D80020c, but without loosing the stock recovery. I'm going to have to wait till later today to give it a try though, because the internet at the truck stop is to slow to download something of that size.
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well first I want to clarify you on that week old part especially since we have had kitkat on d800 since about feb 27 in fact if you look at garys thread about kk with custom recovery which is originally from march 6(on 5th we figured out what needed to be done but on 6th they began rolling out) and also if you would have asked for assistance I could have helped to find all needed info on rooting and everything (I just don't spend a lot of time in the dedicated d800 thread) anyways as for 20c I've been on it since root was available(also on first day of release of 20c) and have been running garys rom since it was released and I love it but if you want tethering(I know a way to enable you just need a paid app) and there are already threads on doing things from start to finish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2633150

Thanks
XxZombiePikachu said:
well first I want to clarify you on that week old part especially since we have had kitkat on d800 since about feb 27 in fact if you look at garys thread about kk with custom recovery which is originally from march 6(on 5th we figured out what needed to be done but on 6th they began rolling out) and also if you would have asked for assistance I could have helped to find all needed info on rooting and everything (I just don't spend a lot of time in the dedicated d800 thread) anyways as for 20c I've been on it since root was available(also on first day of release of 20c) and have been running garys rom since it was released and I love it but if you want tethering(I know a way to enable you just need a paid app) and there are already threads on doing things from start to finish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2633150
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Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a ****. I just had a really hard time finding a complete walkthrough on this, I ended up taking bits and pieces from different tutorials and it seemed that most of them only covered one aspect of the process, like recovery, or if they covered the whole walkthrough they would either leave something out or I would recieve errors, such as the loki error, and the original adb not detecting my device. I had to download an adb from an alternative source because the official adb wouldn't detect my device, after trying everything but it didn't bother me because I figured it out and thanks for your response, really appreciated, I will check that out....How many mods have you tried and what features do you like about them? I liked the ideal of the CM 11 for the 4.4.2 because it boasted the porting of pretty much every feature that comes on the LG G2 4.4.2...Like the double tap to unlock and such....I will check out Gary's mod and see what it offers, thanks again

I would just like to start out by saying congrats on getting your device to where you've wanted it - I do agree that the G2 is a special case right now considering the lack of development and spotty information available for development.
With that being said...
There is a really good reason why the site was named XDA-"Developers" and not XDA-"Newbs". The primary focus of these forums is for the purpose of developers engaging one another and sharing their discoveries with the community. There are some really great developers here that take a LOT of their own PERSONAL time to create the stunning softwares, hacks, themes, etc. that often ultimately get freely distributed to the public. Take note that 99% of these threads start off with "Use my software and instructions with NO expectation of support or warranty" or "Flash at your own risk".
These folks give so much to the community and often ask for little or nothing in return. While the information right now is pretty sparse and scattered, do you think you could have achieved what you did without it? The mere fact that you have a custom ROM, root and recovery is a testament to the hard work of the folks here who are giving their own time up in the name of furthering development. Our G2s, while stellar devices, are the outliers in the world right now because they are not in the hands of the masses. How many people have looked at you and asked "is that the new Galaxy??" I believe in time, someone with way more time and Android know-how than I, will deliver something mind-blowing to the XDA community for this device. Just be patient and realize that the majority of Smartphone users right now have a GNote, S4, or HTC something-or-another.
Finally, re-read your post and try to hear the tone you delivered. You sound upset that the XDA community hasn't delivered you an easy root/recovery package on a silver platter with all the trimmings. Again - this forum is for developers. What they choose to share with the rest of us as non-developers is totally up to them. They also tend to share more when the support they receive is positive. Long rants about your disappointment in the community over how you had a hard time getting what you wanted on your device - well you catch more flies with honey...
Cliffs notes? Hug a developer, and say thank you for what you've managed to accomplish with your device. Without the info posted around here, we'd all be living with stock ROMs and unrooted, bland G2s. If you are unhappy with your own personal experiences with getting to where you are right now... Well, you obviously know where the "new post" button is. Become a contributor, tell us how YOU did it and give back to the community. If you only rant about your disappointments, then you aren't really making anything better for anyone around here - in fact it only serves to clutter up an already fragmented knowledge base.
From one long winded poster to another - good luck in your ventures with the G2. It has served me well so far and I believe it will continue to do so for quite a while.
Regards.
Sent from my LG-D800 using Tapatalk

tethering
If tethering is all you wanted. I would have done it the easy way. You can unlock WiFi tether by trying to turn it on, then when it fails use sqlite editor from the market to go in and change the provisioning status to 0 in the database file. Sqlite costs 2 bucks, it would be worth that to not have to go through all that. I never thought I would own a phone without a custom Rom, but so far I'm still stock on the lg g2 it's that good. Most annoyances can be fixed as long you have root.

Krayziepop said:
I would just like to start out by saying congrats on getting your device to where you've wanted it - I do agree that the G2 is a special case right now considering the lack of development and spotty information available for development.
With that being said...
There is a really good reason why the site was named XDA-"Developers" and not XDA-"Newbs". The primary focus of these forums is for the purpose of developers engaging one another and sharing their discoveries with the community. There are some really great developers here that take a LOT of their own PERSONAL time to create the stunning softwares, hacks, themes, etc. that often ultimately get freely distributed to the public. Take note that 99% of these threads start off with "Use my software and instructions with NO expectation of support or warranty" or "Flash at your own risk".
These folks give so much to the community and often ask for little or nothing in return. While the information right now is pretty sparse and scattered, do you think you could have achieved what you did without it? The mere fact that you have a custom ROM, root and recovery is a testament to the hard work of the folks here who are giving their own time up in the name of furthering development. Our G2s, while stellar devices, are the outliers in the world right now because they are not in the hands of the masses. How many people have looked at you and asked "is that the new Galaxy??" I believe in time, someone with way more time and Android know-how than I, will deliver something mind-blowing to the XDA community for this device. Just be patient and realize that the majority of Smartphone users right now have a GNote, S4, or HTC something-or-another.
Finally, re-read your post and try to hear the tone you delivered. You sound upset that the XDA community hasn't delivered you an easy root/recovery package on a silver platter with all the trimmings. Again - this forum is for developers. What they choose to share with the rest of us as non-developers is totally up to them. They also tend to share more when the support they receive is positive. Long rants about your disappointment in the community over how you had a hard time getting what you wanted on your device - well you catch more flies with honey...
Cliffs notes? Hug a developer, and say thank you for what you've managed to accomplish with your device. Without the info posted around here, we'd all be living with stock ROMs and unrooted, bland G2s. If you are unhappy with your own personal experiences with getting to where you are right now... Well, you obviously know where the "new post" button is. Become a contributor, tell us how YOU did it and give back to the community. If you only rant about your disappointments, then you aren't really making anything better for anyone around here - in fact it only serves to clutter up an already fragmented knowledge base.
From one long winded poster to another - good luck in your ventures with the G2. It has served me well so far and I believe it will continue to do so for quite a while.
Regards.
Sent from my LG-D800 using Tapatalk
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Nothing new to add to this but I've never had so much fun reading through a response that utterly fleeced another person for going full on ungrateful douche. Kudos sir. Lol
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For me this was the easiest phone to root and flash recovery. Used ioroot for root and freegee to install custom recovery. That's when I was using jelly bean now I'm on stock kit Kat
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