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Virtual Laser KeyBoard Support

I was wondering if anyone has experience in Virtual Laser key boards such as i-Techs VKB?
http://www.amazon.com/iTech-Bluetooth-Virtual-Keyboard/dp/B00142C4O8
If so, are they compatible with our phones?
I am slowly moving towards using my phone as a full mobile PC. I would like to be as productive as possible and having a full size key board would be monumental... especially when editing documents. Sure, a laptop would be the best bet but this is the future.
As a side note, I would also like to note that this is why the iPad is a step back. Technology should be getting smaller, not bigger. You can see this with the invention of micro-projectors (google "Sixth Sense Project") or the paper-thin, clear, flexible LCD displays that are emerging. I don't want to load around some cumbersome device like the iPad or even a netbook. Smart phones are the future!
/rant
Anyway, if the laser keyboard is not compatible can someone point me in the right direction for any type of key board... preferably one that rolls up or something.
Thanks!

Found this that should work for you:
https://barbourelectronicstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=6

I see no reason why it would not work. Does our phone support a normal bluetooth keyboard?

Those keyboard are not great. They have a hard time keeping track of everything.
So even if you get it working, it will only kinda sorta work.

...Come to think of it, I'm going to try to sync a bluetooth keyboard we have in the shop right now.
Edit: Dell has neglected to give me the passkey to pair the keyboard. No dice.

Dell won't give you the pass key? Shouldn't it be a set standard for that model? I figured it would be on the website of the manufacturer under the support section.

outcome69 said:
Dell won't give you the pass key? Shouldn't it be a set standard for that model? I figured it would be on the website of the manufacturer under the support section.
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I'm trying to use a Model Number: Y-RAQ-DEL2 keyboard.
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/acc/P109356/en/index.htm
It comes with a reciever which pair it automatically to PC's. It can also be paired with laptops that have built in modules because the computers generates the Passkey and you eneter it on the Keyboard.
Our phones, however, don't generate one but instead ask for the Keyboard Passkey itself.
I chatted with Dell to get it, they told me to call wireless tech support. I called wireless tech support and they said the passkey has to be "0000". This does not work, however. The guy was an idiot. He was obviously reading off of a screen. There must be a shared code between the Dell BT reciever and the Keyboard that I can find use to pair the device.
Ugh.

It won't work. Even if you get it to pair, no current ROM or kernel known to exist as of this moment supports HID, and the commercial BT keyboard driver in Market (which supports SPP) doesn't work on the Hero.
As far as the PIN goes (when/if it ever becomes possible to use a BT keyboard on our phones), try this:
* Make the keyboard discoverable
* Tell the phone to scan
* When the phone finds the keyboard, try setting the PIN on the keyboard by pressing 4 digit keys then enter/return. That seems to be the way most of them work.
Unlike mice and gamepads, most (newer) keyboards WON'T allow you to pair as 0000 due to the risk of password interception.

if you are looking to go completely remote, i would advice waiting for the evo. snapdragon+gi.s.+a sd card and hdmi connectivity and whats sure to be our native sense experience in a fully functioning 2.1 playing ground that will have more than enuff support or what should be simple. things such as bt (...AND THE KICKSTAND) i think it will be your most likely option to suceed. good luck, i like my laptop.

Update: it turns out, there IS a driver to use bluetooth HID keyboards with Android -- BlueInput (teksoftco.com). Unsurprisingly, it doesn't work (yet) on the Hero, either
This has gotten me wondering... Has anyone figured out WHY nothing Bluetooth-related besides audio seems to work on the Hero (compared to other Android phones that don't seem to be similarly-afflicted)?
Is it a case of distros like DamageControl having kernels with BlueZ 3.x compiled in when apps like BlueInput(HID) and KeyPro(SPP) need 4.x, or vice-versa?
Has anyone with the background knowledge necessary to build a 2.6.29 Hero kernel from scratch and troubleshoot bluetooth problems even looked at the way the kernel is getting built for distros like DamageControl? It seems like right now, nobody even knows whether this is something as trivial as a bad option at build time, or a problem that's huge and hopeless.
Sigh. It's times like this that I really hate Sprint for not letting us have R-UIM cards. I seriously think SIM cards are a major part of the reason why we (CDMA users) seem to have so many kernel-level problems that GSM Android users don't. They can just swap SIMs, and experiment all weekend if they like without metaphorically leaving their phones "off the hook" in the meantime.

I am betting those features where compiled out of our kernel. It should be easy to put them back in but then the question is will it work with the hardware... and we all know from the camera that that isn't a given.

fatkitty420 said:
...Come to think of it, I'm going to try to sync a bluetooth keyboard we have in the shop right now.
Edit: Dell has neglected to give me the passkey to pair the keyboard. No dice.
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passkey is 0000 noob

scirio said:
passkey is 0000 noob
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6103433&postcount=7
I chatted with Dell to get it, they told me to call wireless tech support. I called wireless tech support and they said the passkey has to be "0000". This does not work, however. The guy was an idiot. He was obviously reading off of a screen. There must be a shared code between the Dell BT reciever and the Keyboard that I can find use to pair the device.
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Hmmm. Has anyone ever tried taking a distro like DamageControl and using it with a scratch-built kernel known to have been compiled with everything BlueZ-related included and enabled? From the research I've done, it looks like we kind of have a catch-22 situation:
* All of the popular 2.1 distros seem to be using the same signed kernel. If that kernel's bluetooth support is dysfunctional, everything that relies on it for bluetooth will be dysfunctional as well.
* In theory, AOSP should be easy to experiment with bluetooth on... but NONE of the AOSP builds seem to really support bluetooth at all. At least, more than maybe being able to limp along with handsfree+headset mono. It seems to be kind of a vicious cycle -- most of the support apps needed to implement bluetooth and make it work aren't opensource, so the leaders (in a very oldschool Debian-like way) want nothing to do with them, even if it means doing without it entirely in the meantime. But since there are no ripped apps to bootstrap bluetooth support with until replacements can be written, nobody has any real incentive to work on tweaking the kernel to make them work... and since there's no real bluetooth support overall, anyone who really CARES about bluetooth (and would otherwise be the most motivated to work on improving it) shows up, looks around, and runs for the door. Oh, and the fact that even AOSP still has to deal with mystery binary blobs, because most of the HeroC's actual hardware is itself proprietary to Qualcomm and unavailable to peons like us (who merely own a phone that uses their chips).
I really wish I knew enough about both Bluetooth and the Linux kernel in general to try troubleshooting it myself, but realistically I'm still a long way from achieving that goal. I've learned a lot over the past month, but so far the only visible light in the tunnel is coming from the phone's backlight ;-)

Htc has not released source for the .29 kernel, so no one can really modify it. Maybe the .27 in the overclocked roms if you could convince a dev to help out.
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Htc has not released source for the .29 kernel, so no one can really modify it
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Oh god, I completely forgot about that. We don't actually have the actual 2.6.29 source yet. I got so caught up in the 2.1 celebrations a month or so ago that I totally forgot about that important little detail

here is a 1.5 kernel that says it has usb hosting. But requires doing a little extra for the drivers.
http://forum.androidcentral.com/51730-post2.html

How would I go about flashing a ROM on a "generic" tablet

Hey guys
First let me say that I did try to look around the forums, but did not find anything relevant .. the search tool really isn't that great.
My parents, in all their wisdom, decided to go ahead and buy two "generic" android tablets whilst I was away at uni without asking for my advice.
Now had I known, I would have told them to stay the hell away from them, unfortunately I am now left with two annoying adults wanting me to make their tablets faster and better.
I am a pretty good programmer and am doing computer science at Uni, so I though i might try to root/flash a custom ROM onto those tablets myself (i know nobody else will ever do it). However I have never touched anything 'android dev' related (apart from obviously rooting and flashing my own HTC Desire) so I really have no idea about where to start.
This is where you lovely people come in: I would be oh so grateful if someone could put me in the right direction as to whatI should be looking into in order to root, and eventually flash a rom onto a new device that no other dev has ever touched before. I'm guessing that if people are doing it for mainstream devices, its entirely possible to do on the tablets I have, I just need to know where to start looking.
Thanks a bunch in advance guys, please don't be to harsh on me <3

I do not know if this will help you or not, but I also am trying to flash a ROM for a "generic" android device. Given that mine is a phone and not a tablet, I do not know if this would work for you or not therefore I'd recommend doing prior research; however, I was able to root my device using the z4root app.
As far as I know, the next step would be installing a recovery (such as clockwork recovery in ROM Manager) in case something goes wrong. I'm not certain about how one would go about porting that software, but their are instructions posted on the developer's website. I don't know enough about the process so I can't really give anymore input; however, if you find any other information, be sure to let me know as well

definitely will thanks!
I've got one problem with one of the tablets already .. it never came with a usb cable, and does not have a micro usb, min usb or anything that I may know as a port, it only has some kind of proprietary port that strangely looks like an iPod/iPhone/iPad port but I can't be sure as I do not own an ipodcable to try it out .. is it in any way possible that a generic tablet could have an apple connector on it?

speedking34 said:
is it in any way possible that a generic tablet could have an apple connector on it?
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I can just tell you from my experience using a Ciphone Pro (IP4 knock-off running android). It came with a cable that looks very similar to an iphone cable (my girlfriend and I cannot tell the difference between them). I can plug my phone into either my cable or her Iphone 3GS cable to charge; however, when she once plugged her phone into my cable, her Iphone said the charge was not compatible. Because the android phone didn't display any prompts when connected to the iphone adapter, I assume that these generic devices are compatible with it. I hope this helps, but you could also check all of the iphone cables you have lying around because maybe one of them actually came with the device

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How would I go about flashing a ROM on a "generic" tablet?
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One thing that I've noticed is that there are quite a few "generics" out there that are actually rebadged versions of each other. If your tablets are one, then if you can find the line of tablets that they belong to, then you might be able to find a development community behind that line of tablets. If that's the case, then there might already be recoveries/roms available for you to flash onto these tablets. I'm not sure of a great resource but androidforums.net might help.

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One thing that I've noticed is that there are quite a few "generics" out there that are actually rebadged versions of each other. If your tablets are one, then if you can find the line of tablets that they belong to, then you might be able to find a development community behind that line of tablets. If that's the case, then there might already be recoveries/roms available for you to flash onto these tablets. I'm not sure of a great resource but androidforums.net might help.
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I would like to marry you Sir. Thanks to your advice I looked around, using the generic pads specifications, and ended up finding out that they were just "rebranded" flytouch epad. From there, I was able to find compatible ROMs for both tablets on http://www.slatedroid.com/ and http://techknow.freeforums.org.
I know have root, google apps and a nice speed increase on both of'em
Thank you very much for the help

speedking34 said:
I looked around, using the generic pads specifications, and ended up finding out that they were just "rebranded" flytouch epad.
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Might I ask how you came to this conclusion? I'm trying to see if I can install custom ROMs on my phone and I believe that it is more than likely that there is a compatible version floating around somewhere. I'm not exactly sure what I should be searching for, so if you have any pointers it would be greatly appreciated

Koadics said:
Might I ask how you came to this conclusion? I'm trying to see if I can install custom ROMs on my phone and I believe that it is more than likely that there is a compatible version floating around somewhere. I'm not exactly sure what I should be searching for, so if you have any pointers it would be greatly appreciated
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All I did was look at the specs of my device (ram, processor, screen size and internal memory being the big ones) and just tried to look for any other device with the same specs. It took a lot of googleing though, so be ready to search through useless search results for a while.

speedking34 said:
I would like to marry you Sir. Thanks to your advice I looked around, using the generic pads specifications, and ended up finding out that they were just "rebranded" flytouch epad. From there, I was able to find compatible ROMs for both tablets on http://www.slatedroid.com/ and http://techknow.freeforums.org.
I know have root, google apps and a nice speed increase on both of'em
Thank you very much for the help
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Awesome! I'm glad you were able to find what you were looking for. I must, however, decline the offer as I am already married and polygamy is illegal here.

Testers wanted.

Looking for testers for a future project that i am currently trying to work on. Hopes to support in the end a wide varity of the samsung devices but for now im looking for samsung tab owners galaxy s 4g owners and vibrant owners that wanna help people that have extra devices welcome just drop me a line....
What is this you ask...
Well since phones are now starting to catch up fast as far as speed and storage and ram and video capabilities of some of the lower end laptops i am going to currently start working on a Ubuntu verrant that will a custom Linux environment based of course off the phone or tabs hardware.
But why would anyone want to do this?
Well the reason for it sometimes its not 100 percent pheaseable to carry around a notebook net book and a few other devices and u may need access to a pc this may fit your bill.. That and It would just be intristing to have a actual linux client running on a phone
What are the goals of this?
get the linux kernel compiled with the drivers we need for audio video phone radio bluetooth keyboard and mouse support along with keeping support for all other phone related functions.
linux client that boots and lets you log into the the x windows interface and launch apps would be a great start thats the second goal
third will be to get the linux client to work not only with some of the applicatons on linux but also retain the phones ability to run the phones applicatons as well.
THe overall goal of this would be to be able to when you wanted hook your phone using the tv out capablity (supported devices) and use a Bluetooth keyboard mouse and printer and use it as a net book u could also surf the web type up emails and or documents some of which already can be done on some of the devices.. THis might also open up another avenue that we could use or devices for.
This is just a quick summery feel free to leave comments call me crazy or what not lol..

Sounds like a good plan
RaverX3X said:
Looking for testers for a future project that i am currently trying to work on. Hopes to support in the end a wide varity of the samsung devices but for now im looking for samsung tab owners galaxy s 4g owners and vibrant owners that wanna help people that have extra devices welcome just drop me a line....
What is this you ask...
Well since phones are now starting to catch up fast as far as speed and storage and ram and video capabilities of some of the lower end laptops i am going to currently start working on a Ubuntu verrant that will a custom Linux environment based of course off the phone or tabs hardware.
But why would anyone want to do this?
Well the reason for it sometimes its not 100 percent pheaseable to carry around a notebook net book and a few other devices and u may need access to a pc this may fit your bill.. That and It would just be intristing to have a actual linux client running on a phone
What are the goals of this?
get the linux kernel compiled with the drivers we need for audio video phone radio bluetooth keyboard and mouse support along with keeping support for all other phone related functions.
linux client that boots and lets you log into the the x windows interface and launch apps would be a great start thats the second goal
third will be to get the linux client to work not only with some of the applicatons on linux but also retain the phones ability to run the phones applicatons as well.
THe overall goal of this would be to be able to when you wanted hook your phone using the tv out capablity (supported devices) and use a Bluetooth keyboard mouse and printer and use it as a net book u could also surf the web type up emails and or documents some of which already can be done on some of the devices.. THis might also open up another avenue that we could use or devices for.
This is just a quick summery feel free to leave comments call me crazy or what not lol..
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It sounds good too. A bit crazy but I like crazy. I would love to test but this is my only phone unless I can always odin back hence I'm scared of hard bricks
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I don't think screens on the phones are big enough for it to be convenient enough for people to use an OS like Ubuntu easily. Tablets are another story, of course.

adobrakic said:
I don't think screens on the phones are big enough for it to be convenient enough for people to use an OS like Ubuntu easily. Tablets are another story, of course.
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Hince why im going to do it on devices with tv out

i have 2 sgs4g im interested, however im a total newb at all this so it may require lots of explaining/teaching on your end
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sounds like a plan to me and
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i have 2 sgs4g im interested, however im a total newb at all this so it may require lots of explaining/teaching on your end
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mostly everyone is going to be new to this lol or you talking about computer skills wise which i doubt it would take much since hes setting everything up..

well the idea behind it would be to odin a zimage with the core files on the sd card and have a script that would auto install the rom upon boot eg u odin rom phone boots says please wait while the os is installed go get some dinner whatever while it goes though it when u come back it would be up and running. LIke i said ultimatly i want it to work as a phone and a desktop. Well at least i got some intrest ill keep u posted on progress.
example would be when u used the usb tv out the phone could auto sense this and switch to what would account for desktop mode so you could use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to navigate and then when u unplug it the screen would switch to a more phone touch friendly enviroment. These are just ideas. Honestly not sure how this is going to work as far as a tab based device its prob alot easier and mb a vibrant phone cause of the large amounts of internal storage.
sg4g im stll trying to figure out how to work around this. Also to get kernels up and have them be more of a unitifed system so i could make one package that serves multi devices instead of x package for this y package for that it helps tremulously.
the goal is to keep this as tech newb friendly with keeping at least some decent functionality on it. SInce the os will setup and take care of video audio and what not the only think u would need really is bluetooth parings for the keyboard and mouse and a printer provided i can actually get this to work...
ill keep all intrested parties posted and when i get something to work with ill move to the android dev fourm for it.

http://phandroid.com/2009/05/27/what-if-ubuntu-could-run-android-applications-it-can/
as u can see they can get linux to run android apps heck theres even debin running on the g1 as far as linux goes. THe point of what i wanna do is make it a little more friendly and accessable without having to folllow 14 pages of directions and not to make the apps as a emulated portion but as a seemless intrgration.

Im interested. Very interested... Id be will to test when im not working and on the weekends.
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Sounds like a crazy notion, but still well worthwhile. I like your way of thinking.
I'll see if i can get my hands on a second device, or get a well-discounted one for you to buy.
There might be some damn good money in this idea for you as well.

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Sounds like a crazy notion, but still well worthwhile. I like your way of thinking.
I'll see if i can get my hands on a second device, or get a well-discounted one for you to buy.
There might be some damn good money in this idea for you as well.
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well im loooking on ebay for someones bricked phone as i havea riff box so i could more then likley unbrick the phone for testing purposes.
Well the problem isnt installing linux onto the phone as i have went though many fourms and stuch getting linux on the phone seems to be the easy part with some reading and knowing what to do and not do. The real hurtle is a genuine way to cross link the libraries. So instead of running the android software as a virtual app (taken from screenies) to more of a native app across both platforms.
Im not looking to make this a omg it will run every peace of linux software ever written as these are phones not laptops notebooks net books desktops. THe goal would be primarlly for business people and people that would say need a quick way to read though e mail check Facebook maybe play a game here or there ( more then likely not) and type up documents if needed. THere is alot more limitation more so on the memory side of the phone then the processer and gpu capabilities considering open gl 4.1 is fully compatibly with open gl es for cellphones actually getting a ogl desktop isnt a really hard hurtle to get past. Since it retains the useability for open gl es

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well im loooking on ebay for someones bricked phone as i havea riff box so i could more then likley unbrick the phone for testing purposes.
Well the problem isnt installing linux onto the phone as i have went though many fourms and stuch getting linux on the phone seems to be the easy part with some reading and knowing what to do and not do. The real hurtle is a genuine way to cross link the libraries. So instead of running the android software as a virtual app (taken from screenies) to more of a native app across both platforms.
Im not looking to make this a omg it will run every peace of linux software ever written as these are phones not laptops notebooks net books desktops. THe goal would be primarlly for business people and people that would say need a quick way to read though e mail check Facebook maybe play a game here or there ( more then likely not) and type up documents if needed. THere is alot more limitation more so on the memory side of the phone then the processer and gpu capabilities considering open gl 4.1 is fully compatibly with open gl es for cellphones actually getting a ogl desktop isnt a really hard hurtle to get past. Since it retains the useability for open gl es
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Yeah, I would expect quite a few device limitations preventing you from the usual run-of-the-mill software.
I wish I knew anything about Linux to help you, but alas, I know nothing :|
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Its ok but at least when i get sometihng working u can test it if u wish

Thanks :]
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[Q] Droid to iPad 1? Is It Possible?

Howdy,
Similar threads found are unrelated. ^_^
I have a 16gb, wifi ipad 1. I'm willing to try and put any form of droid on it, so that we can get miui or better onto it.
We can jailbreak it with cydia/redsnow, and install any recommended apps from that point, or not jailbreak it and follow instructions.
I can follow written & video instructions easily.
I've googled, binged, etc... I've searched this forum under ipad, or ipad 1, etc.
I have the ipad usb cable naturally, am expecting that if there is a successful ipad droid port or variant, i'm figuring it'll take anywhere from 15mins --- 3hrs to complete this task in 1-15 tries.
I have patience, even though I may seem otherwise... I'm willing to try this out.
If anyone can help/point me in the right direction, other then the door ^_^, very much appreciated.
My pc that I am on, is,
Windows 7, ultimate, 64bit.
I have a laptop with uBuntu 10.10, (No clue how to use terminal, however am willing to try).
I have a friend with a macbook pro, can try there also as needed.
Looking forward to hearing from anyone on this, who can help.
With respects,
- rmleloup

It is not possible. It would be awesome though
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well, actually it is possible, but its very difficult. see here
http://www.idroidproject.org/

You can't get into iPad's bootloader.
EDIT - mtmerrick's link may just prove me wrong.

http://www.idroidproject.org/wiki/Status
see here for status on ROMs. progress is incredibly slow on this project, but the froyo ports are coming along pretty good on the early devices.

I've checked that site out, but I have yet to see any serious progress over the past year... at all on the ipad... It's as if they've stalled outright.
What i'd love to see, is if there is another team anywhere that could be doing it. It honestly doesn't sound that hard... I know there's code and such, and i'm no where near a codemonkey of any form, but still...
- rmleloup

[Q] First time root - Total n00b

Nexus 7 v4.2.1
Nexus S (Fido) v4.1.2
Why I'm here - I'm looking to root both devices but I can't find a "rooting for dummies" guide. Terms like debugging and roms are completely foreign to me. I need a guide that holds my hand and tells me how to root like I'm a drunken three year old.
Other crap - To give you an idea where I'm at on computer skill, I have VERY basic coding knowledge. I know a bit of HTML and looked into C++ and Python but don't really know anything about them. When it comes to this rooting business, I'm completely lost. I looked through the forums and found nothing but confusion. Same goes for using Google. I'm hoping to have a similar look to both my devices. I'm really into a very minimalist look if that's important. I'm assuming rooting is making a clear system making able to load you're own operating system (rom?). I want to root because I have no idea what it is and the curiosity is killing me. That, and I want to use a PS3 or Xbox 360 controller for my tablet. Mariokart 64 at work? Yes please.
[edit] I've also noticed this one click root around... seems fishy.