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Firmware Build only For Developers? my Demand to Google / HTC

I think being a Open Source Code and Openness in Architecture, API Google Should Ship Different Firmware for Developers, Software Builders, Codec Programmer etc.
Better for Google / T-Mobile / HTC
They can restrict Developer Device to get Back Normal Shipped Firmware.
Developer Device Activation Method can be Introduced so Once you Activate that IMEI for Developer Edition you could get only Limited Warranty from HTC for that IMEI.
Once you load Different Firmware, company may not allow you to Flash Normal Shipped / OTA Firmware signed by Different Signature.
Developer Edition of Firmware can have Test Key or Developer Key based Recovery Partition. But can not Erased the way we did it before.
Developer firmware must be only available via SDCard Method
No OTA should be given except for some killbits Urgency.
Their should be Disclaimer and Agreement for Warranty Issue
Better for Developers
Rather then Fighting for root this could be Straight Access to Device
No More Hacking and Exploits needed.
Building Firmware, API, Services, Codes which need Root Access can be Tested with Device rather then Emulator.
Customizing OS and using it for Self and Distributing it to user who can take risk may get easy Access to Mods.
Google Should Protect Recovery Image and Boot Image from being Flashed this will reduce Bricking Issue.
Please report your Comments here
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1266&can=4

This won't happen. They will plainly tell you to build your own version and thats logical too. G1's version of Android is T-Mobile's, they paid for it, so it has everything that T-Mobile wants, and its for the average user who doesnt care about root etc. If you want a developer version, you can always compile it with default root access n stuff, thats the beauty of Open source.

Building Customized Firmware that's what i am saying unless you don't have root access you can not Build and Flash Customized Image. and in RC30 Release they have removed root access and telnetd.
Means they have stopped all door for Customizing firmware and flash it.

hetaldp said:
Means they have stopped all door for Customizing firmware and flash it.
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I would not say that the stopped or closed all doors for customizing. Yes they took aways root but it does not mean we wont find a new door. With hacking any device its all about finding the newer better way to get in.

If you look at the amount of time that has been spent on Android since it was originally announced the development time is incredibly short. For that reason I could see Google wanting to restrict root access until they are more certain of the potential complications of allowing access to the various parts. Perhaps we'll see a gradual releas of root access as the error handling capability of Android is improved.
Or that could just be wishful thinking. At this point I'm wishing that I hadn't taken the official RC30, but too late now

Rather then sitting idle and wishing for Google to rethink and give us root access gradually is not enough we should sign the link above and suggest them for that requirement.

benmyers2941 said:
If you look at the amount of time that has been spent on Android since it was originally announced the development time is incredibly short. For that reason I could see Google wanting to restrict root access until they are more certain of the potential complications of allowing access to the various parts. Perhaps we'll see a gradual releas of root access as the error handling capability of Android is improved.
Or that could just be wishful thinking. At this point I'm wishing that I hadn't taken the official RC30, but too late now
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Android was under development for 5 or 6 years before they announced it. It wasn't as rushed as you make it sound.

RyeBrye said:
Android was under development for 5 or 6 years before they announced it. It wasn't as rushed as you make it sound.
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Five or six years seems terribly long. I know they did a lot of work on the dalvik VM but still.. I wouldn't be surprised if they had lost of lot of time in legalese and negotiation with hw maker and providers. I work in telco, although not the mobile industry and you can barely imagine the bully tactic employed by the big names to keep challengers out.. Ya don't wanna lose yar winmo 6 preferred pricing ar righ'?
Anyway, if it's true I'm even more surprised at some of the current shortcoming of the platform. Internationalization and lack of support for bluetooth comes to mind first.
But anyway, it's a young platform in terms of "days in the wild" and it's already quite good. What I'm a little bit afraid of is that T-Mo might not keep the update coming to bring new features to the phone in order to get people to upgrade their handset. We'll see.
As for developer build, Google has said that they would release Android so you could build your own device not that every device would be open.
I believe your demand should have been addressed to T-Mobile, not to Google nor HTC. Having an open device would be a tremendous benefit for Google as it would attract more qualified hobbyist developers to the Android platform. HTC probably doesn't really care either way, they're in the business of selling hardware, once you bought it they won't see any of the additional revenue stream, so if they can move ten thousand more unit because some people would like to use them as development device, I'm pretty sure they'd be for it. Assuming they don't have to support the cost of technical support for those "customized" devices.

RyeBrye said:
Android was under development for 5 or 6 years before they announced it. It wasn't as rushed as you make it sound.
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Where did you get your information? I doubt that the entire OS was under development for 5 or 6 years. Maybe they started the idea of making a mobile OS but I don't think they actually have been coding it. I think it has been more product development not software. Things like (capacitive or resistive) or (mini USB or proprietary) and of course (on screen or hardware keyboard... or both)
Think about it they have to have a device in mind or a general lay out of the device before making the OS for it.

neoobs said:
Where did you get your information? I doubt that the entire OS was under development for 5 or 6 years. Maybe they started the idea of making a mobile OS but I don't think they actually have been coding it. I think it has been more product development not software. Things like (capacitive or resistive) or (mini USB or proprietary) and of course (on screen or hardware keyboard... or both)
Think about it they have to have a device in mind or a general lay out of the device before making the OS for it.
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Hehe... That is most peoples understanding aswell.
Android is NOT Google's property (at least that I know of). Android has been in development for 5-6 years WITHOUT Google.
Android did not get the time of day UNTILL Google joined.

Then it wasn't being developed... it was staleware that google dusted off... I understand it isn't google's software but honestly you can't build something without knowing what devices it will be on. If built 6 years ago... it would have been built for devices from 6 years ago using resistive screens, proprietary connections, and most likely an onscreen keyboard. Mobile devices have changed a lot in 5 years and that would mean android was rebuilt from the ground up, if it was made 5 years ago. I think there may have been development and ideas 5 years ago but nothing even close to a working model(alpha software)

Being based on Linux, it is already extremely flexible with regards to hardware requirements. The only real requirement I am aware of is an ARM processor > 200 mhz...
Google bought Android in August of 2005, at that point in time, the company had existed for 22 months. So definitely some design elements of the OS have existed that long.

Yea but you have to write new code for each piece of hardware to interface with the OS... and things like resistive and capacitive screens are the big ones because of how the UI will be... Think about how WM6 would be if you had to use the center of your finger instead of a stylus? The UI for WM7 (whatever it will be called) has to change because it is supposed to be used on capacitive devices. Same goes with other things like how it will interface with USB and the keyboard(easiest) But each thing needs to interface into the OS and each of those are what takes time and all of those look rushed. I am also guessing that Google spent time recoding the email app and calendar and contact apps to interface with their servers as well. So what is left from android before google started? Does anyone have any proof or should I just say citation is needed?

neoobs said:
Yea but you have to write new code for each piece of hardware to interface with the OS... and things like resistive and capacitive screens are the big ones because of how the UI will be... Think about how WM6 would be if you had to use the center of your finger instead of a stylus? The UI for WM7 (whatever it will be called) has to change because it is supposed to be used on capacitive devices. Same goes with other things like how it will interface with USB and the keyboard(easiest) But each thing needs to interface into the OS and each of those are what takes time and all of those look rushed. I am also guessing that Google spent time recoding the email app and calendar and contact apps to interface with their servers as well. So what is left from android before google started? Does anyone have any proof or should I just say citation is needed?
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That is what I am saying. Android is specifically designed to abstract all of those things. Want to add a new method for input? Fine, make a kernel module for it... Want to add a new interface port? Fine, make a kernel module for it. The modules are provided by either the device manufacturer (depending on how they've licensed the particular technology) or by the chipset manufacturer... This is no different than how the same distribution of Linux can run on x86, ARM, PPC, & Itanium with hundreds of different chipsets, network cards, etc.
From the very beginning Google has been saying that Android will run on a wide variety of phone hardware, even going so far as saying it could run on flip phones.

Yes but google had to create all of those for the G1 and it didn't have 5-6 years to do it.
Although I doubt it would work well on resisitive screens would be weird as its interface is meant for capacitive.

neoobs said:
Yes but google had to create all of those for the G1 and it didn't have 5-6 years to do it.
Although I doubt it would work well on resisitive screens would be weird as its interface is meant for capacitive.
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Yes and that is why Linux kernels are sweet.
The kernel is set, done, finished (of course with room for upgrades).
All you need to do is create kernel modules ("drivers" for the rest of us, [I use Windows & Fedora]) for hardware to comunicate with the kernel.
The kernel has been there for a while, being developed by people who wanted an open phone OS. You can develope an OS regardless of what hardware is out there right now.
If you want to think of it in Windows terms, it's exactly the same. XP was writen years ago and that Kernel is still the same, but all you need is drivers for new hardware to comunicate with the windows kernel.
Actually now that I think about it, I beleave the XP kernel is still based on the 2K kernel. I'll look it up.

Google made Dalvik, and a couple of the applications, the members of the Open Handset Alliance provided the kernel level modules.
I found an article from earlier this summer that briefly goes over the timeline and what Google had in mind with this whole thing: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/magazine/16-07/ff_android?currentPage=all

quedijo said:
Yes and that is why Linux kernels are sweet.
The kernel is set, done, finished (of course with room for upgrades).
All you need to do is create kernel modules ("drivers" for the rest of us, [I use Windows & Fedora]) for hardware to comunicate with the kernel.
The kernel has been there for a while, being developed by people who wanted an open phone OS. You can develope an OS regardless of what hardware is out there right now.
If you want to think of it in Windows terms, it's exactly the same. XP was writen years ago and that Kernel is still the same, but all you need is drivers for new hardware to comunicate with the windows kernel.
Actually now that I think about it, I beleave the XP kernel is still based on the 2K kernel. I'll look it up.
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XP was built on the NT kernel along with Vista and everything else made since 2000. Although that kernel is not the same at all anymore... sure it has all the same features but has been tweaked to all heck.
One thing I don't understand is where is the developer version or at least updated emulator package?

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One thing I don't understand is where is the developer version or at least updated emulator package?
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http://source.android.com/
The emulator doesn't have to be updated. It's just QEMU with a fancy GUI. Assuming they're keeping the repo over there up to date, you should be able to check out the latest version, build the images, fire it up in the emulator, and be on your way... and if you have a rooted G1, as long as you include the proprietary stuff from HTC (kernel modules that I'm sure they can't GPL), you should be able to boot it up... which, unless I am mistaken, is exactly what JesusFreke did in the first place.

Everybody Please make Comment on this Issue with Official G1 Suggestion Thread i opened
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1266&can=4
Hetal

Morph Keyboard

The new 'Morph Keyboard' I saw over at the other site (Engadget), looks very interesting, my question:
Will it work with the HD2???
Jeesh if it does, when the HD2 gets here I plan on getting the Web Rocket, Morph Keyboard, an extra battery & case & I think I'm getting that new 8.5 BT too.
If I knew I could(allowed) I'd give the names to let you all know.
I hope somebody will give me the answer.
Thanks ahead of time.

Well there's currently a 'usb hosting' application in developing stage for the HD2.
USB hosting allows you to connect your mouse, keyboard, usb drive to your phone and your phone will be able to recognize the input or read the connected device.
If that application is released, youi'll probably be able to run that hardware on it.

@ElCondor, Thank you with the usb link, I've already seen that, which makes me ask you to check the Morph Keyboard video @Engadget listed today. The trophy is nice but not as equivelent as the HD2 (personal oppinion). Also are you familiar with the WebRocket from TMO? it speeds evreything up, you might not need it since you have different carriers where you live.
Again Thanks.

http://www.tmonews.com/
Price now announced for the USA.

[MOD][On Hold] USB 3G Dongle Support

This is a very much work in progress. And is on hold until a breakthrough happens or DerArtem responds to my PM with some info.
First off, credits:
ejhart - All of the development is basically from him. He compiled the sierra.ko for Android which was the big step. Took me through all the steps and has been the main force behind this.
Pershoot - Thank you so much for your kernel and your hard work. Your inclusion of pppd and usbserial helped so much.
Sierra Wireless - Your USB dongle started this? No, but seriously, the Linux support of their modems helped get the device accessible from terminal and may get it to work fully eventually.
DerArtem - Your Folio work on this same thing helped. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=914350 (UMTS/3G Support on Toshiba Folio)
(Random thanks)
Cyanogen - For CM and all he's done for ROMs in general.
Speed Software - Root Explorer is the most useful app.
Jack Palevich - Terminal Emulator makes this work.
PinkVenture - GScript Lite makes my boot easier.
Current Status
Dongle can be accessed from Android.
pppd functions do not throw errors.
lsmod reveals Sierra device as live.
dmesg shows it loading from ttyUSB0, ttyUSB1, ttyUSB2, and ttyUSB3.
All work is using CM7.
How to get your tablet here
1. Download and install Pershoot's kernel from here.
2. Download the attached files: sierra.ko.zip and ppp.zip
3. Extract sierra.ko and the ppp folder and then copy them to sdcard or internal storage.
4. Download Root Explorer (paid app), Terminal Emulator (free), and GScript Lite (free).
5. Use Root Explorer to copy sierra.ko to /system/lib/modules/ (needs to be mounted R/W). Then copy all the files within ppp (ip-up.local, ip-down.local, and peers folder) to /etc/ppp/
6. Open Terminal Emulator, execute "su" (allow it to use Super User), execute "insmod /system/lib/modules/sierra.ko" (no quotes on any command)
7. If no error is thrown you are where you should be. In Teminal Emulator, execute "lsmod" (no quotes). It should display something like "sierra 11378 0 - Live 0xbf000000"
8. This step is optional: Open GScript Lite, press Menu, Add Script, in the Name field put whatever you want, in the Script field type the same command as above, "insmod /system/lib/modules/sierra.ko" (no quotes)
9. In Terminal Emulator, (as su) execute "pppd call cdma". If no errors, it should be at the same point I am. Congratulations!
Current Issues
1. Modem doesn't act as data connection.
2. No software support for modem.
3. Needs device specific ril library to work (may be possible to build, has been done for Huawei modems).
4. No idea if this works for non-Sierra modems, obviously has to be adapted for other manufacturers. If you build the .ko for other devices, feel free to post it and I will add it to this post, it will help other people.
5. Probably tons of other issues that are lower level stuff.
Feel free to ask questions or give suggestions, we are in need of all the help with the Android part of this as we can get! You can also join us on #tegratab, I am Winnah9000 and ejhart is on there as well.
Updates:
Tried to use the parts from the Folio Update.zip, but they didn't fix anything.

You guys never cease to amaze me. Excellent work and great news for us to wake up to. As far as working, do I need to purchase an air card from Verizon(my phone carrier) or can I get one of the pay-as-you-go 3G air cards from Walmart to work with this? Also, I see you're using CM7, but what other roms does this work on? I'm using the GAdam alpha5 rom, do I need to switch back to TNT OEM rom to test this out? Thanks again for your feedback and your work.

kxs783kms said:
You guys never cease to amaze me. Excellent work and great news for us to wake up to. As far as working, do I need to purchase an air card from Verizon(my phone carrier) or can I get one of the pay-as-you-go 3G air cards from Walmart to work with this? Also, I see you're using CM7, but what other roms does this work on? I'm using the GAdam alpha5 rom, do I need to switch back to TNT OEM rom to test this out? Thanks again for your feedback and your work.
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Glad someone else was excited about this
I wouldn't purchase the air card as of yet since we aren't fully sure this will ever work. However, you do present an interesting idea. If we could use the pay-as-you-go cards and find a way around the data throttling like they did on the G2 this would be an extremely cheap way for a 3G Tegra 2 tablet.
To your ROM question. I'm using CM7 because the other ROMs (TnT Lite, VEGAn-Tab, etc.) lack the necessary telephony and communication apks that we would need for calling the data. Also, not sure which ROMs the pershoot kernel doesn't work on (I think it works on TnT Lite, CM7, and VEGAn when compiled correctly). You are welcome to test it on those when we get further along

TheJesus said:
Glad someone else was excited about this
I wouldn't purchase the air card as of yet since we aren't fully sure this will ever work. However, you do present an interesting idea. If we could use the pay-as-you-go cards and find a way around the data throttling like they did on the G2 this would be an extremely cheap way for a 3G Tegra 2 tablet.
To your ROM question. I'm using CM7 because the other ROMs (TnT Lite, VEGAn-Tab, etc.) lack the necessary telephony and communication apks that we would need for calling the data. Also, not sure which ROMs the pershoot kernel doesn't work on (I think it works on TnT Lite, CM7, and VEGAn when compiled correctly). You are welcome to test it on those when we get further along
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Hi
This is great news, i definately would like to help/test this.
Keep up the good work
Ian

Ianmrr said:
Hi
This is great news, i definately would like to help/test this.
Keep up the good work
Ian
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If you have a Sierra Wireless modem you are welcome to try your own ideas. If its something else, then wait until ejhart explains to me how to compile a .ko against Android for whichever dongle it is.
Thanks for your support!

Is this a particularmodel and chipset? I'm not familiar with Sierra Wireless. Can you post the source code for the driver?

muqali said:
Is this a particularmodel and chipset? I'm not familiar with Sierra Wireless. Can you post the source code for the driver?
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Yeah, its the AirCard 250U sold by Sprint. Its 3G/4G, but the driver Sierra developed only does 3G cause they're lazy asses.
Here's the driver source and pppd dialing scripts: http://sierrawireless.custhelp.com/...-on-a-linux-operating-system-(-ac-850/860,-ac
Also, all development on this has stopped until further notice. We are hoping DerArtem releases the ril source and that the ril library will help it to work. Thanks for all your support!

Hi
as the Advent Vega has similar hardware (same oem part number i think?) then this might be of some help. Look at post 12 onwards. I have succesfully got this working with a Huawei E169 usb dongle.
http://android.modaco.com/content/advent-vega-vega-modaco-com/329229/mobile-broadband-dongles/

You have this working on the Viewsonic G tablet? Because I have tried to load the rom through Clockwork and the screen goes black. I need to know the secret.
OK, I discovered the ROM is loaded through ADB after extracting the files. Get a permission issue towards the end of the installation. Did you have that same issue? If so how did you overcome it?

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kostyamat said:
Look here android.modaco.com/content/advent-vega-vega-modaco-com/329229/mobile-broadband-dongles/#
Owners Advent Vega can already use a 3G-dongls. Why we can't do it? We have a firmware which is based on the firmware for Advent Vega. Why till now isn't present?
Good luck!
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I can't speak for all the devs / modders, but for me it's very simple. I don't have a 3G modem to even test with. My suggestion, in all seriousness, is to contact Viewsonic and ask them to add support into their firmware. And maybe ask for USB mouse support as well if you call them, I've already put in a ticket for that myself. The more people who call, the more likely that they might add it.
I have a aircard that the day job supplies, but the darn thing won't even work in MacOS or Linux, let along Android. I'm actually considering a MiFi device as it seems to be a fairly easy way to get around these issues.
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Perhaps you could talk to Roebeet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884103&page=134

huwwatkins said:
Hi
as the Advent Vega has similar hardware (same oem part number i think?) then this might be of some help. Look at post 12 onwards. I have succesfully got this working with a Huawei E169 usb dongle.
http://android.modaco.com/content/advent-vega-vega-modaco-com/329229/mobile-broadband-dongles/
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I've reviewed this with ejhart but we didn't see much that they did which we didn't. The main issue is that most of the people who have it working are using Huawei brand 3G dongles which aren't used by carriers here, so they have different software pieces to make it work.
rapcon said:
You have this working on the Viewsonic G tablet? Because I have tried to load the rom through Clockwork and the screen goes black. I need to know the secret.
OK, I discovered the ROM is loaded through ADB after extracting the files. Get a permission issue towards the end of the installation. Did you have that same issue? If so how did you overcome it?
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I'm not sure what you're asking... If its about CM7, don't use bittrix's build. Use GoJimi's build (Beta 2 I think).
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Perhaps you could talk to Roebeet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884103&page=134
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Roebeet has been in the IRC while we worked on it but he didn't have anything to contribute. The main issue is that none of them have a 3G dongle to work on it with, which also means its not a big deal for them to get it working (don't get me wrong, they still would like it to work, but they have more important things to work on).

Here are the sources for ril:
https://github.com/DerArtem/huaweigeneric-ril
Regards, Artem

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Here are the sources for ril:
https://github.com/DerArtem/huaweigeneric-ril
Regards, Artem
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Thank you for this
However, we still have an issue. The RIL is pretty much coded for GSM only, there are some CDMA bits, but they look incomplete. I personally don't know enough programming to get it to work and ejhart already has other projects, so if someone wants to take it on, go for it!
That being said, this should probably work for GSM companies like T-Mobile, AT&T, etc. Feel free to try it if you know what you're doing

O please work.
I have been trying to get a 3G usb working since i got this thing. Im not computer programing savy enough to figure any of this out. I mean i know what your talking about, i understand it all, just cant program, so I hope you guys can work this out, would be in debt to you guys forever.
I will be calling viewsonic everyday as a differnet person say I want 3G mondem support and hopefully they will just build it in for us all.
Thanks again for all your work guys.

KushyMansbridge said:
I have been trying to get a 3G usb working since i got this thing. Im not computer programing savy enough to figure any of this out. I mean i know what your talking about, i understand it all, just cant program, so I hope you guys can work this out, would be in debt to you guys forever.
I will be calling viewsonic everyday as a differnet person say I want 3G mondem support and hopefully they will just build it in for us all.
Thanks again for all your work guys.
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It almost seems to me that is why they gave it a standard USB port, as well as a mini port. It could be for stick drives, but then why was there a spot for a micro SD? Perhaps, the TNT people at VS were in such a rush to get the product to market, that they simply skipped this feature?

Frrrrrrunkis said:
It almost seems to me that is why they gave it a standard USB port, as well as a mini port. It could be for stick drives, but then why was there a spot for a micro SD? Perhaps, the TNT people at VS were in such a rush to get the product to market, that they simply skipped this feature?
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Because Micro SD cards are limited to 32GB, while USB thumb drives are at 256GB or you can use an external hard drive with power for 2 or 3 TB. They didn't put in the 3G support because they could've just sold the zPad (or w/e its called) with a 3G module slot. They sold this because its cheap and they didn't have to write extra drivers for 3G modem support.
EDIT: Also, the reference board for Tegra 2 has the USB port, so they probably threw it in for kicks.

this a workable solution:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991342

Just saw this on Newegg for sale...I was wondering if anyone has ever used this model and whether or not it's decent quality? At $15 shipped I'm kinda wanting to buy it, lol...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-Index-_-CellPhoneAccessories-_-75994452-L06C

flipovich said:
Just saw this on Newegg for sale...I was wondering if anyone has ever used this model and whether or not it's decent quality? At $15 shipped I'm kinda wanting to buy it, lol...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-Index-_-CellPhoneAccessories-_-75994452-L06C
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Never seen it, but for $15, I don't expect much. If you are hoping for support on the G Tab, you should pick up a Huawei modem.

Testers wanted.

Looking for testers for a future project that i am currently trying to work on. Hopes to support in the end a wide varity of the samsung devices but for now im looking for samsung tab owners galaxy s 4g owners and vibrant owners that wanna help people that have extra devices welcome just drop me a line....
What is this you ask...
Well since phones are now starting to catch up fast as far as speed and storage and ram and video capabilities of some of the lower end laptops i am going to currently start working on a Ubuntu verrant that will a custom Linux environment based of course off the phone or tabs hardware.
But why would anyone want to do this?
Well the reason for it sometimes its not 100 percent pheaseable to carry around a notebook net book and a few other devices and u may need access to a pc this may fit your bill.. That and It would just be intristing to have a actual linux client running on a phone
What are the goals of this?
get the linux kernel compiled with the drivers we need for audio video phone radio bluetooth keyboard and mouse support along with keeping support for all other phone related functions.
linux client that boots and lets you log into the the x windows interface and launch apps would be a great start thats the second goal
third will be to get the linux client to work not only with some of the applicatons on linux but also retain the phones ability to run the phones applicatons as well.
THe overall goal of this would be to be able to when you wanted hook your phone using the tv out capablity (supported devices) and use a Bluetooth keyboard mouse and printer and use it as a net book u could also surf the web type up emails and or documents some of which already can be done on some of the devices.. THis might also open up another avenue that we could use or devices for.
This is just a quick summery feel free to leave comments call me crazy or what not lol..

Sounds like a good plan
RaverX3X said:
Looking for testers for a future project that i am currently trying to work on. Hopes to support in the end a wide varity of the samsung devices but for now im looking for samsung tab owners galaxy s 4g owners and vibrant owners that wanna help people that have extra devices welcome just drop me a line....
What is this you ask...
Well since phones are now starting to catch up fast as far as speed and storage and ram and video capabilities of some of the lower end laptops i am going to currently start working on a Ubuntu verrant that will a custom Linux environment based of course off the phone or tabs hardware.
But why would anyone want to do this?
Well the reason for it sometimes its not 100 percent pheaseable to carry around a notebook net book and a few other devices and u may need access to a pc this may fit your bill.. That and It would just be intristing to have a actual linux client running on a phone
What are the goals of this?
get the linux kernel compiled with the drivers we need for audio video phone radio bluetooth keyboard and mouse support along with keeping support for all other phone related functions.
linux client that boots and lets you log into the the x windows interface and launch apps would be a great start thats the second goal
third will be to get the linux client to work not only with some of the applicatons on linux but also retain the phones ability to run the phones applicatons as well.
THe overall goal of this would be to be able to when you wanted hook your phone using the tv out capablity (supported devices) and use a Bluetooth keyboard mouse and printer and use it as a net book u could also surf the web type up emails and or documents some of which already can be done on some of the devices.. THis might also open up another avenue that we could use or devices for.
This is just a quick summery feel free to leave comments call me crazy or what not lol..
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It sounds good too. A bit crazy but I like crazy. I would love to test but this is my only phone unless I can always odin back hence I'm scared of hard bricks
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I don't think screens on the phones are big enough for it to be convenient enough for people to use an OS like Ubuntu easily. Tablets are another story, of course.

adobrakic said:
I don't think screens on the phones are big enough for it to be convenient enough for people to use an OS like Ubuntu easily. Tablets are another story, of course.
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Hince why im going to do it on devices with tv out

i have 2 sgs4g im interested, however im a total newb at all this so it may require lots of explaining/teaching on your end
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sounds like a plan to me and
johnlaqua said:
i have 2 sgs4g im interested, however im a total newb at all this so it may require lots of explaining/teaching on your end
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mostly everyone is going to be new to this lol or you talking about computer skills wise which i doubt it would take much since hes setting everything up..

well the idea behind it would be to odin a zimage with the core files on the sd card and have a script that would auto install the rom upon boot eg u odin rom phone boots says please wait while the os is installed go get some dinner whatever while it goes though it when u come back it would be up and running. LIke i said ultimatly i want it to work as a phone and a desktop. Well at least i got some intrest ill keep u posted on progress.
example would be when u used the usb tv out the phone could auto sense this and switch to what would account for desktop mode so you could use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to navigate and then when u unplug it the screen would switch to a more phone touch friendly enviroment. These are just ideas. Honestly not sure how this is going to work as far as a tab based device its prob alot easier and mb a vibrant phone cause of the large amounts of internal storage.
sg4g im stll trying to figure out how to work around this. Also to get kernels up and have them be more of a unitifed system so i could make one package that serves multi devices instead of x package for this y package for that it helps tremulously.
the goal is to keep this as tech newb friendly with keeping at least some decent functionality on it. SInce the os will setup and take care of video audio and what not the only think u would need really is bluetooth parings for the keyboard and mouse and a printer provided i can actually get this to work...
ill keep all intrested parties posted and when i get something to work with ill move to the android dev fourm for it.

http://phandroid.com/2009/05/27/what-if-ubuntu-could-run-android-applications-it-can/
as u can see they can get linux to run android apps heck theres even debin running on the g1 as far as linux goes. THe point of what i wanna do is make it a little more friendly and accessable without having to folllow 14 pages of directions and not to make the apps as a emulated portion but as a seemless intrgration.

Im interested. Very interested... Id be will to test when im not working and on the weekends.
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Sounds like a crazy notion, but still well worthwhile. I like your way of thinking.
I'll see if i can get my hands on a second device, or get a well-discounted one for you to buy.
There might be some damn good money in this idea for you as well.

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Sounds like a crazy notion, but still well worthwhile. I like your way of thinking.
I'll see if i can get my hands on a second device, or get a well-discounted one for you to buy.
There might be some damn good money in this idea for you as well.
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well im loooking on ebay for someones bricked phone as i havea riff box so i could more then likley unbrick the phone for testing purposes.
Well the problem isnt installing linux onto the phone as i have went though many fourms and stuch getting linux on the phone seems to be the easy part with some reading and knowing what to do and not do. The real hurtle is a genuine way to cross link the libraries. So instead of running the android software as a virtual app (taken from screenies) to more of a native app across both platforms.
Im not looking to make this a omg it will run every peace of linux software ever written as these are phones not laptops notebooks net books desktops. THe goal would be primarlly for business people and people that would say need a quick way to read though e mail check Facebook maybe play a game here or there ( more then likely not) and type up documents if needed. THere is alot more limitation more so on the memory side of the phone then the processer and gpu capabilities considering open gl 4.1 is fully compatibly with open gl es for cellphones actually getting a ogl desktop isnt a really hard hurtle to get past. Since it retains the useability for open gl es

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well im loooking on ebay for someones bricked phone as i havea riff box so i could more then likley unbrick the phone for testing purposes.
Well the problem isnt installing linux onto the phone as i have went though many fourms and stuch getting linux on the phone seems to be the easy part with some reading and knowing what to do and not do. The real hurtle is a genuine way to cross link the libraries. So instead of running the android software as a virtual app (taken from screenies) to more of a native app across both platforms.
Im not looking to make this a omg it will run every peace of linux software ever written as these are phones not laptops notebooks net books desktops. THe goal would be primarlly for business people and people that would say need a quick way to read though e mail check Facebook maybe play a game here or there ( more then likely not) and type up documents if needed. THere is alot more limitation more so on the memory side of the phone then the processer and gpu capabilities considering open gl 4.1 is fully compatibly with open gl es for cellphones actually getting a ogl desktop isnt a really hard hurtle to get past. Since it retains the useability for open gl es
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Yeah, I would expect quite a few device limitations preventing you from the usual run-of-the-mill software.
I wish I knew anything about Linux to help you, but alas, I know nothing :|
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Its ok but at least when i get sometihng working u can test it if u wish

Thanks :]
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Help with unlocked, unbranded tablet (no root)

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