Related
Hey guys
long story that i wont bore you with but I need to find out a HTC phone that has a normal 5 pin mini-usb slot, uses this for its headphones AND has a break-out cable (3.5mm slot halfway up it for normal headphones).
Can anyone help with this please?
NOTE: I dont want the 11pin ENHANCED mini-usbversion like on the touch-diamond. I want the version with two slanted sides, not one square and one slanted.
I don't think a 5 pin usb could carry audio as well. USB has wires for data+, data-, power+, and power-, and then the audio would need wires for left, right and earth, and another for a mike.
My old wizard had a 5 pin USB, and it had a separate 2.5mm headphone/headset socket.
yeah they can and do, its just the headphones that come with the Acer are S*&t but they do operate over mini-usb.
Thanks though, that probably means the Wizards not setup to pump audio over its mini-usb, i'll avoid that one then
My Uni has it
Thank you. I'll check them out on Ebay
the designers at htc should be clubbed on the head for their enhanced mini usb connector.
3.5mm audio + mini usb - that's what it always should have been.
I cant understand why would you want a standart mini usb if - "standart mini usb" works with "htc enchanted mini usb" --- I personaly have a standart mini usb for my Touch HD to use with PC and enchanted usb for charging it - it doesnt bother me that they are different they both do the same<- or am I missing something?
im just curious!
Lets put a couple of things straight...
1) standard mini-usb absolutely can NOT carry (non-digital) audio, no matter what some people in this thread think/claim. It simply CAN'T BE DONE.
If some device *DOES* have audio over mini-usb plug, then despite its shape, it is NOT USB. I *have* seen devices *misuse* the physical plugs it has.
2) The non-standard plug used by HTC is *fully compatible* with existing USB wires.
3) Because of (1) and (2), there is no use whatsoever for a standard USB plug to be on the device. It simply does not matter that there are extras in the plug.
lbcoder said:
Lets put a couple of things straight...
1) standard mini-usb absolutely can NOT carry (non-digital) audio, no matter what some people in this thread think/claim. It simply CAN'T BE DONE.
If some device *DOES* have audio over mini-usb plug, then despite its shape, it is NOT USB. I *have* seen devices *misuse* the physical plugs it has.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow, jump down the throat there.... nice guy obviously.
I can think of a way it can be done ......
-----------
edit:
Would you like to also clarify how any of the 3 mini-usb cables (from various sources) work fine with the phone and PC and then can be swapped out for the Acer headset which is through the same mini-usb port? If it was a non-normal port then as you say, its unlikely the other generic cables would work.....
-----------
lbcoder said:
2) The non-standard plug used by HTC is *fully compatible* with existing USB wires.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do you mean an Enhanced USB will fit in a non-enhanced port? I don't have one spare but they are a physicaly diferent shape....
lbcoder said:
3) Because of (1) and (2), there is no use whatsoever for a standard USB plug to be on the device. It simply does not matter that there are extras in the plug.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed (sort of)... just a bit worried that you keep saying "standard" though, you do mean a standard MINI-usb right? But agreed, there is simply no justification for not having a 3.5mm jack .... its madness and a madness not just confined to HTC sadly
Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
I cant understand why would you want a standart mini usb if - "standart mini usb" works with "htc enchanted mini usb" --- I personaly have a standart mini usb for my Touch HD to use with PC and enchanted usb for charging it - it doesnt bother me that they are different they both do the same<- or am I missing something?
im just curious!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think, if im reading you right, your looking at it the wrong way round
The phone I have has a STANDARD mini usb. I think your saying your phone has an ENHANCED mini usb port (guess that answers the above about them not fitting/fitting). And ENHANCED wont fit in MY STANDARD and the only HTC phones I could find had ENHANCED.
My thinking was that if I could find a HTC that had a 5pin mini-usb, I could try one of those remotes - im getting desperate!
Monty Burns said:
I think, if im reading you right, your looking at it the wrong way round
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Guess I am!! my english aint perfect and its hard for me to understand this thread with all the technical stuff in it!!!
so youre looking for something like this - http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-Headphone...ries?hash=item3ef2fd81ba&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
but with a standart usb plug, right?
orb3000 said:
My Uni has it
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It appears that you use a 3.5mm jack for your audio and not the Mini-usb
I could be wrong as its an old product and the only info I can find is on PDADB. Can any Universal owners confirm this? If it uses a 3.5mm jack for audio then its mini-usb cable is useless to me and I won't bother ordering one.
Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Guess I am!! my english aint perfect and its hard for me to understand this thread with all the technical stuff in it!!!
so youre looking for something like this - http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-Headphone...ries?hash=item3ef2fd81ba&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
but with a standart usb plug, right?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes mate, the 5pin version
I've ordered a couple of 5 pin->3.5mm jacks from ebay but so far the three diferent ones i've ordered haven't worked.
Monty Burns said:
Yes mate, the 5pin version
I've ordered a couple of 5 pin->3.5mm jacks from ebay but so far the three diferent ones i've ordered haven't worked.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
have you tried some of these :
http://cgi.ebay.com/For-MOTOROLA-V3...ries?hash=item20ac981719&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-USB-to-3-5...ries?hash=item4399494e03&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
spot on mate!
No, i hadnt thought of looking outside the WinMob world at other devices. I'll order one first thing tomorrow when i'm back at work.... fingers crossed and thank you!!!
Monty Burns said:
spot on mate!
No, i hadnt thought of looking outside the WinMob world at other devices. I'll order one first thing tomorrow when i'm back at work.... fingers crossed and thank you!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Youre welcome, just check out the prices- maybe you can find the same thing only cheaper-- this was just a search for the right usb not price!!!
when you receive them- tell us did they work!
Good Luck
Monty Burns said:
It appears that you use a 3.5mm jack for your audio and not the Mini-usb
I could be wrong as its an old product and the only info I can find is on PDADB. Can any Universal owners confirm this? If it uses a 3.5mm jack for audio then its mini-usb cable is useless to me and I won't bother ordering one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, you are right
I´m sorry I got confused with the question
The 'enchanted' mini USB is total crap. Just check out the thread about people reporting problems because the looseness caused the little pins to be bent.
HTC should just put in a mini usb for data and power and a 3.5mm for audio.
orb3000 said:
Yes, you are right
I´m sorry I got confused with the question
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No worries
Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Youre welcome, just check out the prices- maybe you can find the same thing only cheaper-- this was just a search for the right usb not price!!!
when you receive them- tell us did they work!
Good Luck
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ordered this one as its a UK seller and will be much quicker.
However, im now temtped to start my own personal campaign against Acer and keep sending the phone back to them over and over again until they fix the Black Screen Of Death issue.... why do companies release phones with this common fault? Do they not use there own phones? I simply don't believe this can escape QA testing.
I have a HTC Sensation 4G and have come to be a bit of an audiophile as of late. I was wondering if their was any possible way of using the USB port to get a more pure audio signal going to a portable amp when I am on the move.
Yea, I know the Beats crap exists, I just don't care for that, I want to be more in control of things and bypassing the DAC built into the phone would be ideal.
The only way is through a HDMI adapter that plugs into the USB port.
That outputs audio via the HDMI.
philje123 said:
The only way is through a HDMI adapter that plugs into the USB port.
That outputs audio via the HDMI.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This may be the wrong forum to ask, but is their any way of getting the digital signal from the HDMI for purposes of portably separating the audio and using it for my own means through some form of USB or 3.5mm plug?
AFAIK, only way is through the 3.5 headphone jack.
I am new to the forum - so I can't post links. Go to amazon and search for 73H00305-00M (you can also go to the shop on htc and you will see this as an available accessory for your sensation)
... while it does not give you a digital out, it appears to give a line level out. This would at least allow you to use a separate headphone amp.
It also looks like this is good for a number of HTC products ... not just the sensation.
knightrider3000 said:
I am new to the forum - so I can't post links. Go to amazon and search for 73H00305-00M (you can also go to the shop on htc and you will see this as an available accessory for your sensation)
.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
so i did buy this just in case it would work ... definitely not the right cable to use as a line out. Not sure why shopamerica.htc.com listed this as accessory to the sensation ...
I've bought an earphone compatible with iphone. I came to know that the configuration is iphone jack is different in iphone and normal phones.
http://miraculablog.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/3-5-mm-stereo-plus-mic-jack-caption.jpg
if you look at the image, I think configuration of TIP/RiNg1/Ring2/Sleeve is swapped in iphone earphones. If there is option or tweak/patch to swap the inputs from the jack then same earphone can be used in desire s.
I was thinking of some settings for earphone , iphone mode / htc mode. just a thought.
I know all the components are working fine in this earphone. when I insert 3/4th of the jack to the phone, mic works but one of the earphone stops working. next/previous buttons works fine, phone receive/end button also works, both speakers also works. so I guess if we can swap the input , I don't need to exchange my earphone.
Does anyone have idea if this modification is kernel level modificaiton or some settings in some files of rom can do this. if you know how can i fix ?
It's a hardware thing, a kernel patch will not help
Tapatalked from Desire S running Andromadus
(again another thought... ) though it's a hardware thing, isn't there any software solution to that. I think someone with programming in hardware or kernel level can write a script to switch the input/output within those rings/tip of jack of earphone
Edit:
I find this a useful feature, because there are so many headphones compatible to iphone/ipad and are very nice to use. and people who have iphone can use the same earphone to both their device. or for some stupid people like myself who bought iphone compatible headphone for android devices by mistake
uktel3315 said:
(again another thought... ) though it's a hardware thing, isn't there any software solution to that. I think someone with programming in hardware or kernel level can write a script to switch the input/output within those rings/tip of jack of earphone
Edit:
I find this a useful feature, because there are so many headphones compatible to iphone/ipad and are very nice to use. and people who have iphone can use the same earphone to both their device. or for some stupid people like myself who bought iphone compatible headphone for android devices by mistake
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Unfortunately switching hardware input/output is not possible in software - unless you are working with some very expensive devices, that kind of functionality simply doesn't exist.
You can search for a adapter. Checkout logitech. That have it I think
Tapatalked from Desire S running Andromadus
Alternatively, if you are handy with a soldering iron, you could wire up a new connector yourself!
suku_patel_22 said:
You can search for a adapter. Checkout logitech. That have it I think
Tapatalked from Desire S running Andromadus
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
nikhilmulay said:
Alternatively, if you are handy with a soldering iron, you could wire up a new connector yourself!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanks guys, I know about adapters and self soldering iron but I was interested in some software solution if it is easy or interesting to develop so that everyone can use that as a feature. Not every one will buy another adapter or do some soldering stuff. for now I'm using that earphone in my useless ipad.
Hi everyone,
I know this has been confirmed elsewhere on the net, but I didn't see anything here so thought I would pass this on to the more hardcore audio fans here.
I tried all my USB DACs last night - RSA Intruder, Apex Glacier, HeadAmp Pico, Leckterton UHA-6S.MKII and all are working with the Xperia Z.
great news! thanks mate!
Sent from my C6603 using xda premium
cool
I recently got the MW1 (only €19!!!) and learned about DACs (apparently there's a pretty good one inside, Wolfson). Now using this together with the MDR-1R and my Xperia Z! Really nice.
The DACs you are talking about are standalones? How would you use these and why? And why so many? Sry noob questions, but would really like to know.
Yeah, standalone DACs/amps. You would use these because they give you better sound quality than the phone itself does, and also the amplification makes them able to drive less sensitive headphones, which phones are unsuited for. Now that Sony, HTC, and Samsung all have USB audio in their phones it means I never have to care how good or bad my phones inbuilt sound quality is, I know I'll always have awesome sound quality regardless.
As for why so many, well, no particular reason apart from I wanted to know which I liked best and I'm taking my sweet time about deciding!
moraal said:
I recently got the MW1 (only €19!!!) and learned about DACs (apparently there's a pretty good one inside, Wolfson). Now using this together with the MDR-1R and my Xperia Z! Really nice.
The DACs you are talking about are standalones? How would you use these and why? And why so many? Sry noob questions, but would really like to know.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Where did you get it for 19 euros from?
L11 said:
Where did you get it for 19 euros from?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It was a temporary offer from Studentmobiel, the dutch company where I ordered my XZ. Ridiculously good offer
NZtechfreak said:
Yeah, standalone DACs/amps. You would use these because they give you better sound quality than the phone itself does, and also the amplification makes them able to drive less sensitive headphones, which phones are unsuited for. Now that Sony, HTC, and Samsung all have USB audio in their phones it means I never have to care how good or bad my phones inbuilt sound quality is, I know I'll always have awesome sound quality regardless.
As for why so many, well, no particular reason apart from I wanted to know which I liked best and I'm taking my sweet time about deciding!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the explanation.
What do you mean by less sensitive headphones?
If I understand, newer model phones all have a DAC inside already?
In my case, because there's a Wolfson DAC in the MW1, would you recommend using MW1 or just using Xperia Z (in the case of audio quality) ?
PlugAndPlay
Is it a simple plugAndPlay or do you have to restart the phone with the DAC plugged in?
Would love to attach a Behringer X302 to my (future) Xperia Z
It's only 42Euro at Thomann.de
According to the Android App USBAudioRecorderPRO
i can record a signal with the Xperia Z (hopefully)
Think that output is also possible?
Mixermachine said:
Is it a simple plugAndPlay or do you have to restart the phone with the DAC plugged in?
Would love to attach a Behringer X302 to my (future) Xperia Z
It's only 42Euro at Thomann.de
According to the Android App USBAudioRecorderPRO
i can record a signal with the Xperia Z (hopefully)
Think that output is also possible?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Simple plug and play, USB Audio Recorder Pro not required.
moraal said:
Thanks for the explanation.
What do you mean by less sensitive headphones?
If I understand, newer model phones all have a DAC inside already?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
All phones have a DAC inside, a DAC is a digital to analog converter, and is required for the playback of digital music and sound.
The advantage of bypassing the phones internal DAC, which is what is being done with USB audio, is that if a phone has a poor DAC (or good DAC that is poorly implemented for that matter) you're not stuck with that.
Headphones and IEMs have varying sensitivity to a given input signal - some require more power to drive effectively (and when I say drive effectively I mean drive to both good listening volume levels and adequately control the driver of the headphone to get the best from it). That's a fairly simplistic and ham-fisted explanation right there to get the basic gist across, if you really want to understand 'sensitivity' you should take a look at somewhere like Head-Fi and so some reading about sensitivity and input impedance (for starters). As a general rule IEMs tend to be more sensitive than full-sized headphones.
NZtechfreak said:
Simple plug and play, USB Audio Recorder Pro not required.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Input and Out?
What happens when you connect a USB Hub.
Would love to connect a external powered USB Hub, a cheap DAC and my Samson G-Track USB Microphone )
Mixermachine said:
Input and Out?
What happens when you connect a USB Hub.
Would love to connect a external powered USB Hub, a cheap DAC and my Samson G-Track USB Microphone )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I haven't tried input, I expect that will require USB Audio Recorder Pro. I can check that with my generic Logitech mic.
Connection via a hub should work fine, at least for output, have done that with my S3 and Note II and it's fine. Not sure about simultaneous input and output via a hub though.
NZtechfreak said:
All phones have a DAC inside, a DAC is a digital to analog converter, and is required for the playback of digital music and sound.
The advantage of bypassing the phones internal DAC, which is what is being done with USB audio, is that if a phone has a poor DAC (or good DAC that is poorly implemented for that matter) you're not stuck with that.
Headphones and IEMs have varying sensitivity to a given input signal - some require more power to drive effectively (and when I say drive effectively I mean drive to both good listening volume levels and adequately control the driver of the headphone to get the best from it). That's a fairly simplistic and ham-fisted explanation right there to get the basic gist across, if you really want to understand 'sensitivity' you should take a look at somewhere like Head-Fi and so some reading about sensitivity and input impedance (for starters). As a general rule IEMs tend to be more sensitive than full-sized headphones.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks, clear explanation!
I've read several reviews on head-fi, but when it comes to the details, I have no clue what they're talking about ;p Soundstages and subbass and all that. I do want to learn though, would you have any other recommended sites fot this kind of information?
USB audio out works plug and play with my Fiio E07K. Makes the MDR-1R sound awesome!
@NZtechfreak
Youve got me thinking :thumbup:
Is it possible to yplug a micro usb into the Xperia z which splits on the other end into two usbs -
One for the dac the other for charging?
Ive got an idea brewing...
Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk 2
I'm getting back my Audio-GD NFB-3.32... Upgraded to USB 32... wonder if that'll work with the XZ.... cause i believe that even in windows, a driver needs to be installed...
DarkKrypt said:
@NZtechfreak
Youve got me thinking :thumbup:
Is it possible to yplug a micro usb into the Xperia z which splits on the other end into two usbs -
One for the dac the other for charging?
Ive got an idea brewing...
Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You can use a Y-split cable according to some at Head-Fi, however I believe it will only charge the attached peripheral and not the phone.
jkwanness said:
I'm getting back my Audio-GD NFB-3.32... Upgraded to USB 32... wonder if that'll work with the XZ.... cause i believe that even in windows, a driver needs to be installed...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Probably not if driver installation is required. I have the Audio-GD Reference 10 by the way, they make some stunning gear.
NZtechfreak said:
Hi everyone,
I know this has been confirmed elsewhere on the net, but I didn't see anything here so thought I would pass this on to the more hardcore audio fans here.
I tried all my USB DACs last night - RSA Intruder, Apex Glacier, HeadAmp Pico, Leckterton UHA-6S.MKII and all are working with the Xperia Z.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi, I am really interested in knowing more. Could you tell me how you plugged the Xperia Z? Is it a direct plug and play using USB out from the Z. ANY SPECIAL CABLE NEEDED OR JUST THE CHARGER USB CABLE?
Appreciate the info. :good:
Hi,
I'm very interested in this thread.
I bought that device for my xperia z, ESI Dr. dac nano.
But it doesn't work "power consumption error message", because this dac is usb powered :s.
I think the xperia z will only accept dac/AMP which work with their own battery, do you have a device to test this ?
i'm also very interested in the hrt microstreamer but it is also usb powered, so i won't buy it until i have a proof it can work with an xperia z.
I think your not new in "the word of usb dac/amp" could you give me an advice if i want to buy a battery powered usb dac/amp, as small as possible and with a sound as good as the microstreamer(only basing on review :s)?
cedou97yon said:
Hi,
I'm very interested in this thread.
I bought that device for my xperia z, ESI Dr. dac nano.
But it doesn't work "power consumption error message", because this dac is usb powered :s.
I think the xperia z will only accept dac/AMP which work with their own battery, do you have a device to test this ?
i'm also very interested in the hrt microstreamer but it is also usb powered, so i won't buy it until i have a proof it can work with an xperia z.
I think your not new in "the word of usb dac/amp" could you give me an advice if i want to buy a battery powered usb dac/amp, as small as possible and with a sound as good as the microstreamer(only basing on review :s)?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are right in that you need a self powerd amp/dac. I suggest the Sony PHA-1.
By any chance do you know if for Xperias equiped with 4.1 Jellybean connection to outside amp/dacs is plug n play or do you need special app?
Has anyone taken this thing apart? I cannot really find a lot of information on it online.
I am curious to know if it has its own dac/amp to run the speakers and what the connectors are made of.
If it does have a dac/amp is there a way to wire a 3.5mm headphone jack to it...or make the usb c port use the dac and amp to push headphones.
Please do not get into a debate trying to sell me on bluetooth headphones I have no desire to use a bluetooth adapter with a record player, and don't even like wireless gaming headsets, I prefer my audio wired...part of why I love this mod, not too many wired speakers as convenient and as portable as this one.
LeeMullinsII said:
Has anyone taken this thing apart? I cannot really find a lot of information on it online.
I am curious to know if it has its own dac/amp to run the speakers and what the connectors are made of.
If it does have a dac/amp is there a way to wire a 3.5mm headphone jack to it...or make the usb c port use the dac and amp to push headphones.
Please do not get into a debate trying to sell me on bluetooth headphones I have no desire to use a bluetooth adapter with a record player, and don't even like wireless gaming headsets, I prefer my audio wired...part of why I love this mod, not too many wired speakers as convenient and as portable as this one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Back cover is a sticker. Its pretty compact inside. Can you add a jack to it? Yes. Will it look good? No. If you have to ask if it can be done its going to be to large of a project for you.
bignazpwns said:
Back cover is a sticker. Its pretty compact inside. Can you add a jack to it? Yes. Will it look good? No. If you have to ask if it can be done its going to be to large of a project for you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Is there a dac/amp in it?
LeeMullinsII said:
Is there a dac/amp in it?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Amp yes. DAC not sure never looked at the ic's close. I would Assume there is one to to do the digital to analog conversion.
Personally i would just make a mod. Order the parts have a case 3d printed. Making the mod is pretty simple. Few ways you can do it through a mod. If you do this you can set up something nice made for headphones. Adjust the gain from that so you can use higher impedance speakers.
Lenovo is going to announce more mods soon. I bet one of them will be a hi-fi mod. I would just wait for that.
I am hoping for something from ifa, but still want to keep my options open since I refuse to buy a walkman for close to a grand...although replacing speakers with a headphone jack seems a little easier to me than building a mod from scratch
LeeMullinsII said:
I am hoping for something from ifa, but still want to keep my options open since I refuse to buy a walkman for close to a grand...although replacing speakers with a headphone jack seems a little easier to me than building a mod from scratch
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you do that then just use the USB c conversation. That moto mod is not going to be set up for the impedance of some headphones. So the amazing audio quality you think you will be getting will not be there.
Stock JBL speakers are I think 3 ohms. My high-end headphones are around 70-200. It just won't have the power needed to drive high end headphones to the upper levels
Can the connection pins for the mods duplicate a usb otg connection?
What Im thinking is making something of a case for the drangonfly red dac/amp should have room in there for a small battery pack as well...for the dac not the phone.
LeeMullinsII said:
Can the connection pins for the mods duplicate a usb otg connection?
What Im thinking is making something of a case for the drangonfly red dac/amp should have room in there for a small battery pack as well...for the dac not the phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Gonna need a dev kit if you wanna go through the moto mod and not a USB OTG.
Moto mod will give you USB 3.1 host and slave 2.0 host.
MuC is basically the brain for a Moto mod.
The moto mod it's self is not hard to make. You can get a dev kit. Plug into the USB type c on it and call it a day. Or build something.
bignazpwns said:
Gonna need a dev kit if you wanna go through the moto mod and not a USB OTG.
Moto mod will give you USB 3.1 host and slave 2.0 host.
MuC is basically the brain for a Moto mod.
The moto mod it's self is not hard to make. You can get a dev kit. Plug into the USB type c on it and call it a day. Or build something.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The dev kit has a usb port on it? Is there a forum dedicated to mod developing?