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Hi there,
I just want to find out really, if it is legal by running WM6 on my device? I mean it is a WM5 device afterall, and much like with a PC you'd have to purchase a licence for new software, does the same principle apply with these devices and WM6?
I have heard that apparently one can buy WM6, is this true? If so, where from?
Thanks.
ChildOTK said:
Hi there,
I just want to find out really, if it is legal by running WM6 on my device? I mean it is a WM5 device afterall, and much like with a PC you'd have to purchase a licence for new software, does the same principle apply with these devices and WM6?
I have heard that apparently one can buy WM6, is this true? If so, where from?
Thanks.
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The issue is highly debatable. OS for Mobile devices come preinstalled and can not purchased separately for upgrading. this is quite unlike the OS for desktops where you can readily buy a new OS or upgrade an existing one. Your new device comes pre installed with an operating system so you have initially paid for it. therefore it is safe to say that only in case of mobile devices 100% buyers have paid for their OS. This is not so with desktops. Now comes the tricky bit. Do you have the legal right to upgrade? Since M$ does not sell an upgraded OS for such devices, they are infact not incurring any loss of revenue if a user is upgrading. If he can not upgrade it is wrong to suppose that he will rush out to buy a new one. However it appears that it is the cell cos who are behind M$ move. When people who upgrade seek tech assistance it does creat problems.... they do not have the expertise to handle these issues neither are they interested in upgrading the devices themselves!
Ok, I just don't want some MS agent to some and fine me for some rediculous reason or another....
Thanks.
There are rumours that M$ will be selling WM6 as an upgrade... which would give a reason as to why they waited til now to ask us to take down our ftp.
Well, as said here
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/02/27/windows-mobile-6-free-to-pda-manufacturers-issuing-upgrades/
MS is giving manufacturers free license for the upgrades, which may or may not means we get a free license?
hanmin said:
Well, as said here
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/02/27/windows-mobile-6-free-to-pda-manufacturers-issuing-upgrades/
MS is giving manufacturers free license for the upgrades, which may or may not means we get a free license?
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Hmmm... v interesting article, thanks
Ya, the worst they do, only if your hosting the files, is send an email. (trust me, I know) They will not hunt you down!
hahahaha, trust you. Remember theirs always a first time. hehehe
f??k em
this what i think of ms... hehehe
Our devices come with a licence for "Windows Mobile".
WM6 clearly comes within this
hanmin said:
Well, as said here
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/02/27/windows-mobile-6-free-to-pda-manufacturers-issuing-upgrades/
MS is giving manufacturers free license for the upgrades, which may or may not means we get a free license?
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Only with couple of OEMs. I checked with Imate but they have no intention of providing upgrades. Thats it.
I paid my Qtek 9000 about 1.000 Euro,and I think that it is my decision what I want to do with it...maybe install Symbian on it..? I think that nothing is gonna happend so far as WM6 stays "open source"..Difference about upgrade and new Jwrightmcps platform is evident...I downloaded Jwrightmcps WM6 from here and it is totally new platform..with some bugs which will be solved,but beautiful and rich functional,..If they in Mics...attempt to make update that would be just carefull minor upgrade of WM5...isnt it? Any problem what potentionally could be is about using their name so I suggest to rename new platform in something different...XDA 1 perhaps...
oh...and I forgot...looking from point of view from legal aspects I am wondering is there any possibillity to remove WM player (and replace other mic...stuff) because it is not worth it to be in state of the art Jwrightmcps Universal 6 platform...I think there is a lot of open source solutions and so "they in mic.." really would not have any reason to complain...This WM player is simply..."unfinished" as everything from them is..we still have BetaPlayer ..or something like that...
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oh...and I forgot...looking from point of view from legal aspects I am wondering is there any possibillity to remove WM player (and replace other mic...stuff) because it is not worth it to be in state of the art Jwrightmcps Universal 6 platform...I think there is a lot of open source solutions and so "they in mic.." really would not have any reason to complain...This WM player is simply..."unfinished" as everything from them is..we still have BetaPlayer ..or something like that...
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Try mortplayer. Its good. Google it and you will get it.
The Symbian cellphones seem to be so legal that you can never upgrade them to the new OS version or modify the ROM.
But M$ knows how to deal with the market.M$ disregards whether WM6 upgrating is legal or not.So more people will buy WM phones instead of buying Symbian ones.
Almost 90% of computers in China are running illegal Windows because of the M$'s neglect of them.No computers are running Windows in developing countries will be a real disaster to M$.
symbian & UIQ does not have a ROM...it is completly based on JAVA platform....and...yes....there is a plenty of programs ( .sis) for upgrading platform.but it is not an issue here...the issue is that should we be concerned about MS policy to prossecute everything and everybody..we can see,Universal 6 and Linux platforms grows day by day...and differences becomes bigger and bigger...Developers here are running "light years" infront of MS and they in MS will "fight back"...Linux is not a problem...Problem is (or will be) "Windows Media Player"..."Outlook"..."Internet Explorer"...etc.etc...because these names are licenced by them and they WILL focus on that fact...and China is special case...it is potentional industrial giant and it is the biggest future market so it is normal that if you want success on that vast market you will "blink on one eye"...(Yahoo and Google did that as we saw in near past when they agree to give Chinese goverment all data which they collect..remember...internet is not free in China(!))..but this is out of this topic..I think developers here should first do renaming applications and further developing them independetly..Indeed,technology and behavour is similar to all specific applications and there is no any philosophy (for example : IE and Firefox are similar browsers for one purpose and based on one technology,and differences are "slight" , but because of that,MS does not have right for any complain...)...I think here we should go that way...
Before you buy Tom Tom consider how you will be supported after your purchase. Software is an investment and is only good as it is currently applicable to it's use. In this case navigation software needs to be updated with new maps to be current. Upgrades have always been a part of software to allow current users to upgrade to new functionality while preserving some part of the initial investment and garnering customer loyalty.
In this case Tom Tom told me via customer service line the only way to get Tom Tom 6.x was to go buy it, NO UPGRADE.
So the choice is simple, I will go buy a competitor and NEVER buy a Tom Tom Product again.
Tom Tom thinks they are big bad and #1 so they forget about existing customers. Think again and watch as a competitor that takes care of customers takes the lead.
What you claim is not quite true, TomTom have never charged for the application software so you can download vs6 software and install it to your device for free. What does require paying for is a vs6 compatible map, maps cost money to produce and it is these that are charged for - Mike
add to that, that virtual no-one lets you have V5 to V6 for free, you can have v5.99999999999 but not v6, NERO Burning are a classic example of the same and no one complains
In this case Tom Tom told me via customer service line the only way to get Tom Tom 6.x was to go buy it, NO UPGRADE.
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That does not make sense. I upgraded from v5 to v6 just by buying the map upgrade from the TomTom site. Either the rep did not know what they are talking about or you have some other agenda. It would not be the first time that a telesales rep has got things wrong so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Mike Alder is correct. He should know he runs the world's no.1 GPS community web site, www.pocketGPSWorld.com
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Mike Alder is correct. He should know he runs the world's no.1 GPS community web site, www.pocketGPSWorld.com
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Slight correction is needed here, the chap who runs the site is Mike Barrett - I am just a Moderator on the site you mentioned - Mike
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Slight correction is needed here, the chap who runs the site is Mike Barrett - I am just a Moderator on the site you mentioned - Mike
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Well...I just promoted you!
Err...sorry...correction noted.
I know that you guys are getting flack from Microsoft, and I don't mind using something that they don't like. I don't mind voiding my Warranty either. (After all, I had to replace my HTC wizard's screen myself!) But is it legal to use a WM6 rom? I don't use pirated software, so I would avoid any Roms that have any, and I do like WM6.
But I'll ask it like this: Is installing WM6 like installing a pirated copy of XP on my PC? Or is it like modding Windows XP to do things similar to Vista?
Installing WM6 on a WM5 phone is the equivalent of installing XP on a machine that had windows 98 installed on it.
Yes, but in your example, was it a pirated version?
The reason I say this is because I've heard that the copy of WM6 that was first found was leaked from Microsoft. So then is it something that is legal?
Its a grey area. From my understanding, Microsoft released WM6 and gave phone manufacturers free upgrades to offer to customers. HTC intended to release them, but the carriers (AT&T and T-Mobile) chose not to so that they can push new phones on people who don't need them just so they can get WM6 (i.e. T-Mobile's Wing, which has the same power, features, etc as the Wizard, just a little thinner, a retarded blue color, and with WM6).
So I guess you can say, since WM6 isn't for sale, you didn't necessarily steal it, so its not illegal. Microsoft's main issue is the fact that cookers on this forum have taken WM6 and modified it to their liking, which they consider copyright infringement.
from my understanding, everyone paid already for it
Wares was sold, another are waiting to BE sold etc...
Grey area is what is working for they bills imo.
imagine whole process...since computer became home thing.
Are they poorer or richer now..?
Do we have to feel like sinners?
(i am not lawyer, you know..)
Then give me linux noW. For my Wizard.
Thanks for clearing that up! Now I don't feel bad about using it.
At Tech Ed, I cornered Microsoft's Pocket PC guy, and asked him the same thing. He also explained it for the same reasons up above.
He said Microsoft would have NO problem distributing the OS, except that they sign contracts with the carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), and in those contracts, it says that they will give them the OS exclusively.
From a legal standpoint (I am not a lawyer), it seems like Microsoft has no problems distributing it, but if they did (or openly endorsed it), it would violate their contract with the carriers. Since I have no contract with the carriers, I have no problem using it.
Btwa -- The Microsoft guy also says that everyone here at xda-developers are bad-asses, and he reads the forum regularly.
swingheim said:
Btwa -- The Microsoft guy also says that everyone here at xda-developers are bad-asses, and he reads the forum regularly.
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meh meh, we all are here to learn
Beta testers
Yeah, I bet the watch the forum for tips and ideas, then claim the cred for it
Ford Motor Company is working with Microsoft to develop a "Sync" system for cars and trucks. Lets you connect your phone, ipod, usb drive etc. to the Cars entertainment center. They recently flashed a bunch of the vehicles at my shop, with the latest upgrades. I cmplained to the guy, about my Wizard not syncing. After the flash he came over and asked to try my phone. Not only did it work, it was capable of streaming to the the sync system. This was the first time they had it working in the field. The guy was so excited he made phne calls telling everyone about it!! He wanted to buy my Wizard!! I told him about how we make our own ROM's and stuff. And he asked me if I knew about XDA-Developers?! He tld me that get great ideas, and free programs from there!! So yes microsoft does use this site!!
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I know that you guys are getting flack from Microsoft, and I don't mind using something that they don't like. I don't mind voiding my Warranty either. (After all, I had to replace my HTC wizard's screen myself!) But is it legal to use a WM6 rom? I don't use pirated software, so I would avoid any Roms that have any, and I do like WM6.
But I'll ask it like this: Is installing WM6 like installing a pirated copy of XP on my PC? Or is it like modding Windows XP to do things similar to Vista?
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It's so illigal as hell!
Regards, Schmia
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Installing WM6 on a WM5 phone is the equivalent of installing XP on a machine that had windows 98 installed on it.
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I'm seeing it more like hacking an XBOX2 firmware on to an original XBOX. The PC analogy doesn't work because there are other OS choices that could be used - Linux for example. The hardware isn't dependent on the software and can be purchased sperately.
But the PocketPC is like the XBOX where the firmware only works on that hardware and they are sold together and can only come together. You can't get the hardware without the software and add it later.
I say it's a Grey area but I ran into a Microsoft Rep at a training class and he was running WM6 on his Cingular 8125 and was all proud of it until I showed him my K-Jam running the Touch FW.
-Mc
hmm
come to think of it you would need a copy of the eula or any licence agreement with the os to actually know. Otherwise we are all guessing.
I looked at the license for my copy of WM5 and it did say it was only to be used with the device on which it was purchased and could not be rented, leased, or lent. But, yeah, I agree with Sandrobber.
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I looked at the license for my copy of WM5 and it did say it was only to be used with the device on which it was purchased and could not be rented, leased, or lent. But, yeah, I agree with Sandrobber.
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Here is amy view as to what we are doing. The issue is not Microsoft, but our carriers who take a base OEM ROM and play with it to push their services and we end up with a less than optimal phone.
I do not use pirated software on principle, but I use the ROMs we cook and host elsewhere( not in this board) because I have tried and cannot buy the OS from MSFT directly. So If we could buy the software and get service, updates and Service packs, I am certain we would all be willing to pay for it.
I have Microsoft development folks who come to me with issues in their devices and I point them here. They love what we do "unnoficially".
But I kid you not we are a threat to the carriers and they are the ones pressuring the vendor to try to shut us down...
Be on the lookout for the new FCC guidelines which are part of the bandwith spectrum sale. They will allow us the end user to use our devices with any carrier and install ANY software we want in OUR phones.
Just use it
Seriously who cares? Just use it buddy! We all do so many illegal things in life. Illegal things do not always amount to being a criminal like recording a TV programme which is ok with billions of people but criminal according to the FBI but then isn't everything illegal according to the FBI?
I was at a Tmo call center the other day working and a HTC rep was there preaching about the wing. I asked him if we will ever be offered a WM6 download and he told me that there is instructions on the internet of how to do it if I look around.
schmia said:
It's so illigal as hell!
Regards, Schmia
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u're such a dumbass
Hello,
Look at this url :
http://www.tomtom.com/products/category.php?ID=2&Lid=13&selector=true#
The URL is not active.
May be Tomtom 7 on sale for All PDA and Smartphone.
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When I click that link it takes me to a page with TT Navigator 6
RE
Exactly the url was removed bye tomtom but i make a screenshot before url was removed.
look :
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Look here if you want TT7 but they are miserable gits!
Found TomTom 7 for sale on Handtec, doesn't look any different to version 6. Also is doesn't have advanced lane guidance, text to voice or any of the more recent innovations in Sat guidance. Plus, the guys at Tomtom are a bunch of miserable gits!! I'd rather eat a thistle than give them my money, but here you go!
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.ph...stern-europe/abaa06067e7435d4a8355fc285766413
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Found TomTom 7 for sale on Handtec, doesn't look any different to version 6. Also is doesn't have advanced lane guidance, text to voice or any of the more recent innovations in Sat guidance. Plus, the guys at Tomtom are a bunch of miserable gits!! I'd rather eat a thistle than give them my money, but here you go!
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.ph...stern-europe/abaa06067e7435d4a8355fc285766413
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Hi,
I totally agree with you, i have already too much fed the big fat lazy cat, which became pushy with its CUSTOMERS, particularly to my own experience, the arrogant european support.
They totally ignored us (smarthone users) at the end of 2007, by not allowing us to get tomtom7(except for some carriers or models(few htc's) )arguing some compatibility issues(laziness again) when you can see copilot7, zorrogps, ndrive which are already compatible with the brand new diamond2 !!
But at the end of 2008 when HTC sold 25 million smartphones wordlwide and are forcasting 45 million for 2009, the big cat realised its coarse strategic mistake and it is now trying to go back to us showing its "pattes de velours"...too late:
i have already too much tasted its claws !!
TomTom are the worse company I've ever had to deal with regarding customer service. They assume you're a criminal when you ask them for a new activation code. Yes tomtom some people do have enough money to buy a new phone after 3 months.
The problem is I actually like the TTNav interface. I tried Co Pilot when I had my Orbit 2 but didn't like it as much.
Right now my car has built in sat nav so not too corcerned about having it on my TD2 & I use Modaco Cameraware for safety camera alerts/.
Here is the link:
http://www.tomtom.com/products/features.php?ID=542&Lid=3&Category=2
Depends of the county you select, there are different builds. In Germany, TomTom 7 is on sale by Telekom.
I have it on my TytnII, build 7.916 with 825 maps. No Laneassistant, Realityview, 3D Terrain...nothing!!!
Navigon 7.4 is great,for me
Hello,
Look at the Web site Tomtom Navigator 7 are now available on sale (On SDCARD)
May be in the list of compatibility tomtom will be add Touch Diamond 2.
Look :
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ziko said:
Here is the link:
http://www.tomtom.com/products/features.php?ID=542&Lid=3&Category=2
Depends of the county you select, there are different builds. In Germany, TomTom 7 is on sale by Telekom.
I have it on my TytnII, build 7.916 with 825 maps. No Laneassistant, Realityview, 3D Terrain...nothing!!!
Navigon 7.4 is great,for me
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..can you share TT 7.916?
Thanks!
ziko said:
Here is the link:
http://www.tomtom.com/products/features.php?ID=542&Lid=3&Category=2
Depends of the county you select, there are different builds. In Germany, TomTom 7 is on sale by Telekom.
I have it on my TytnII, build 7.916 with 825 maps. No Laneassistant, Realityview, 3D Terrain...nothing!!!
Navigon 7.4 is great,for me
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NavigonMobile does not work on the Diamond2/Topaz. When started it just freezes the handset for a few seconds and then it just returns to the home screen.
I had a fall-out with TomTom ages back for similar reasons as already posted. I really despise them now as a company, brand and product. I had three replacement phones in a short space of time due to faults and getting a new code was so difficult - I know they have revenue to protect, but I was treated like a conman. Eventually got a new code to be told that I would not be issued a new one again and I had to agree they would no longer support me!
I tried to get new maps for v6 as it is getting quite poor now, but they said that there would be no updates, so I enquired about the upgrade price to 7 and they said that it is only being relased to OEMs so I have to keep 6. I gave up in the end and found an alternative solution.
However just seen this on TomTom UK:
http://www.tomtom.com/products/product.php?ID=595&Category=2&Lid=1
I wouldn't buy it myself though, I'm through with the robbing blighters!
Check out co pilot 8 launched last week and for sale at £25.99, I can see that affecting tomtoms business. http://www.alk.eu.com/
Colpilot 8
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robsno said:
Check out co pilot 8 launched last week and for sale at £25.99, I can see that affecting tomtoms business. http://www.alk.eu.com/
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Wow looks sweet, and so much cheaper than TT! Just got my new Topaz (TD2), which has 18 months of v7 for free!
It appears to have no new useful features...
what ever it will coast me a lot
Do know when Garmin, Papago, Igo and mapking support WP7??
Or they pissoff WP7??
iwantnokia said:
Do know when Garmin, Papago, Igo and mapking support WP7??
Or they pissoff WP7??
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I know. I was using iGo8 on TP2 and I just loved it!
I wish iGo8 would support Windows Phone 7, because I hate T-Mobile TeleNav.
YES, thats the thing I really want on my WP7 - Igo 8!!!!!
I didnt catch any news recently about IGO or TOM TOM or other GPS for WM7.. Its very quiet about this topic. hmm
noodles222 said:
YES, thats the thing I really want on my WP7 - Igo 8!!!!!
I didnt catch any news recently about IGO or TOM TOM or other GPS for WM7.. Its very quiet about this topic. hmm
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hear asus garmin will lauch wp7 next year...... but i like my htc 7 mozart...
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hear asus garmin will lauch wp7 next year...... but i like my htc 7 mozart...
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just so you know asus & garmin have split and gone their own ways. the phone you'll most likely see will solely be an asus phone. garmin is sticking to GPS units/software. so who knows what will happen in this department.
They'll come....in time
You think Garmin mobile xt can be installed on wp7 using chevron?
So right now there is absolutely no option for turn-by-turn directions on WP7 besides a carriers subscription option? I guess MS not allowing multi-tasking is going to kill that good. I guess that if there isn't some option, then folks will start dumping WP7. I've got an ATT Focus and luckly haven't needed TbT yet but probably will soon.
Orange Maps is actually pretty good ya'll but obviously isnt available for all
I really, really need Garmin so I can use my Costa Rica maps...
Please Garmin or IgO, please develop something for WP7!!!
I'm perfectly happy with Navigon for now
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Do know when Garmin, Papago, Igo and mapking support WP7??
Or they pissoff WP7??
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I recommend using Android for your nav needs. WP7 just won't cut it in that category. I keep my Android phone handy and booted for doing the things WP7 doesn't do...which means my Android phone is mostly used.
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I'm perfectly happy with Navigon for now
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Yes Navigon looks great, but there are no Costa Rica maps for Navigon..
You mean, there are maps for Haití for Navigon? I can't believe that... I thought there were maps just for Europe for Navigon.
Just forget about it. You're going to miss IGO 8 no matter which platform you choose. There's nothing like it for Android or iPhone either, so don't expect it to appear on WP7.
Since Google announced its free turn-by-turn navigation for Android with voice prompts, this industry pretty much disappeared. There's no money in it anymore. Even here in these forums you can easily see that people expect turn-by-turn nav to be a free option from Bing/MS. With free options being "good enough" for the majority of users, there's just no point in trying to sell such expensive apps. It's akin to trying to make a browser or a mail client. The guys like Nav'n'Go are now only focused on OEMs who make satnav devices and operators, they can't make money by selling apps any longer. So the IGO versions for iOS/Android are already shadows of what you had on WM.
With WP7 it's even more difficult. For iOS/Android they make simplistic apps that are cross-platform for the most part, with the feature set determined by the least common denominator principle. But because of no native APIs for WP7, they wouldn't be able to do even as much. They'll need to create and maintain whole separate forks of their apps. This is so cost prohibitive given the small userbase and absolutely uncertain prospects that no sane manager would allow spending money on such a project without external sponsorship.
So the only options we have now are the ones provided by operators (while the apps themselves are made by all the familiar guys, they aren't available to the general public legally).
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Yes Navigon looks great
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It looks like crap. It's also crap in terms of options. It doesn't have even such basic things as history, you have to start navigating from choosing your country every time you start it. It doesn't save state properly when minimized. It can't route between more than two points. It can't search for POIs along your route. It's 2D. You have to unlock your phone and steal maps to use it. It does the routing job though, so it's usable. But it's not what I would call an acceptable satnav app on any other platform.
jaraya13 said:
I really, really need Garmin so I can use my Costa Rica maps...
Please Garmin or IgO, please develop something for WP7!!!
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somos 2
me 2
Hopefully the Mango update with the navigation will cater to everyones needs. I am kinda worried that its going to be half baked for non-US device owners...